1KHO 648: Raising Free Families in a Sick Care System | Dr. Stanton Hom, Future Generations

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The 1000 Hours Outside Podcast

Episode: 1KHO 648: Raising Free Families in a Sick Care System | Dr. Stanton Hom, Future Generations
Airdate: December 12, 2025
Host: Jenny Erich
Guest: Dr. Stanton Hom

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Episode Theme & Purpose

This episode explores how families can reclaim agency in health and parenting, particularly in a system Dr. Stanton Hom describes as “sick care” rather than true healthcare. The conversation focuses on challenging prevailing cultural and medical narratives, empowering parents to make informed choices, and the importance of holistic approaches, lifestyle, foundational wellness, and time outdoors for children’s development. The host and guest critique the rigidity of conventional medicine, especially with respect to pediatric care and parental autonomy, and present alternative frameworks rooted in empowerment, prevention, and belief system shifts.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Dr. Hom’s Journey: From Military to Holistic Care

• Background: Dr. Hom shares his experience as a West Point graduate and former Army officer who, despite being physically fit, discovered through his brother’s chiropractic lens that he was unhealthy in more subtle but significant ways.

  • “I was fit, I was strong, I was fast, I was smart… but I wasn’t healthy.” (01:17)

• Transformation: After embracing chiropractic care, nutrition, and nature, he experienced a “reset” in mind and body, transforming from chronic dysregulation to optimal health within months.

  • “Six weeks in, I felt like… you hit the reset and it turns over, you’re like, ‘whoa.’ Like, my nervous system and my body kind of reset.” (02:50)
  • “My brother's like, dude, I think you’re my healthiest patient.” (03:25)

• Educational Struggles and Healing: Dr. Hom recounts childhood struggles with dyslexia, social anxiety, and selective mutism—challenges he says healed alongside his nervous system regulation, directly connecting learning and mental health with physical health and environment.

2. Challenging the “Sick Care” System & Parental Autonomy

• Rigidity in Pediatrics: Jenny shares her personal frustrations with pediatricians unwilling to make exceptions or respect parental input, especially around vaccination schedules, calling this rigidity “tyranny.”

  • “In general, to me, that feels like tyranny. That’s all I want to say.” (09:09)

• Freedom-Focused Care: Dr. Hom defines it as empowering patients to need doctors less over time, focusing on self-healing and informed choice, not simply following mandates.

  • “Freedom, focused care... is care that is focused on helping patients need me and all doctors and all systems less over time.” (10:03)
  • “We should be working ourselves out of a job by empowering patients...” (10:10)

• Medical Authoritarianism: The discussion highlights discrimination and judgment faced by parents who deviate from standard medical practices, with Dr. Hom framing these as violations of fundamental rights.

  • “There are people that actually believe that we don’t have the fundamental rights to raise our kids.” (13:42)
  • “If it is, then freedom-focused care… stands in opposition to that.” (14:10)

• Genetics vs. Environment (Epigenetics):

  • Dr. Hom debunks the myth that most conditions are fated by genetics, emphasizing epigenetic influence—how lifestyle and environment shape outcomes.
  • “Do you know how many things are actually genetic? Like purely genetic, inherited... it’s less than 1%.” (14:44)
  • “There’s control above the genes... the environment and lifestyle.” (21:02)

3. The Power of Shifting Belief Systems

• Beliefs Underpin Health Choices: Dr. Hom and Jenny both discuss how inherited beliefs about parenting and medicine limit options and outcomes.

  • “Sometimes I don’t even think families would know... the core here is that I need to shift my belief system.” (00:58)

• Potential for Change: Both share personal stories of accidental encounters (chiropractic with a brother, a doula’s comment about natural birth) that led to major shifts, emphasizing hope and the possibility of rapid transformation.

4. Critiques of Medical Practice: Data and Control

• Hospital & Pediatric Requirements: Jenny tells of feeling pressured after a home birth, facing surprise and even threats from medical staff who hadn’t encountered her choices.

  • “They said they had never seen a home birth baby. I was like, come on. Like this… isn’t that out of the norm?” (30:07)
  • “My midwife was like, you should probably do it because they might call CPS...” (29:55)

• Data Collection Concerns: Dr. Hom discusses the lack of transparency in what happens to children’s data from common hospital tests.

  • “When you take this test, your child’s data goes into a database…” (31:03)

• Escaping the System: Both highlight the value—and challenge—of finding care outside the medical mainstream, noting the existence of patient advocates and alternative providers.

5. Redefining Health: The Role of Chiropractic and Neurodevelopment

• Spinal Health in Children: Dr. Hom discusses the overlooked connection between posture, spinal health (especially the cervical curve in the neck), and neurodevelopmental issues.

  • "Spinal degeneration… in the form of loss of normal cervical spine lordosis… is a primary factor in causing neurodevelopmental delays in 1 in 6 children today.” (47:35)

• Functional Testing: He explains simple functional tests used in his practice to assess nervous system health:

  • Surface Electromyography—measuring brain-to-muscle connection.
  • Infrared Thermography—assessing blood flow and neural inflammation.
  • Heart Rate Variability—measuring vagus nerve, prefrontal cortex, and autonomic balance.
  • “I would argue that 90% of our kids, chronic illnesses are coming from… the neck. From the cervical spine and from the connections up and down from the brain.” (53:03)

• Chiropractic & “Miracle” Stories: Dr. Hom shares patient experiences where chiropractic adjustments led to transformations in behavior, cognition, and wellbeing.

6. Nature as Medicine

• Nature as Essential, Not Optional: Both reiterate that time outdoors is not a therapy but an essential environmental input required by our bodies for health—deficiencies manifest as modern health problems.

  • “Nature is providing a sufficient level of environmental demand that our systems… demand.” (57:41)

• Prevention and Power: The consistent message is that restoring children to a more “natural” environment (including exposure to nature, movement, nutrition, and supportive care) can prevent symptoms and conditions, shifting from treatment to true prevention.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Medical Freedom:

  • “If you cannot stay with a pediatrician because you don’t do the full vaccination schedule and they’re going to kick you out… what else would that be called [other than tyranny]?”
    — Jenny Erich (37:20)

• On Chiropractic & Healing:

  • “Chiropractic provides an impulse into the nervous system to restore healthy communication between the brain and the body… A healthy, more regulated, self-healing nervous system has a completely different outcome than one that’s totally dysregulated.”
    — Dr. Stanton Hom (54:01)

• On Empowerment:

  • “If you open the window a little bit bigger, there’s way more possibility for the root cause healing than our conventional system and conventional science has allowed you to believe.”
    — Dr. Stanton Hom (26:49)

• On Generational Change:

  • “It’s not a movement until you create enough of an infrastructure that it builds an economy that drives that new pathway.”
    — Dr. Stanton Hom citing mentor Kevin Jenkins (41:54)

• On the Power of Nature:

  • “It’s not that nature treats anxiety. It’s that children who have a healthy amount of nature… just don’t have that to the degree that most others do.”
    — Dr. Stanton Hom (58:44)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:44 – Introduction and Dr. Hom’s personal journey from military medicine to holistic care.
• 08:56 – Discussion on vaccine injury, freedom-focused care, and medical tyranny.
• 13:20 – Genetic determinism versus epigenetics; critique of the medical model.
• 20:25 – The modern trend of children “feeling old”; rise in chronic illness among kids.
• 29:47 – Crisis in pediatric care post-home birth; institutional rigidity and parental disempowerment.
• 34:25 – Value dissonance between parents and providers; seeking aligned care.
• 47:35 – The importance of spinal health and early neurodevelopment.
• 53:03 – Discussion on root causes of chronic illness; brain/spinal connections.
• 57:41 – Nature as an essential input for healthy child development.
• 59:53 – Prevention versus treatment and the empowering role of holistic providers.
• 64:32 – Childhood outdoor memories and family legacies.
• 65:38 – Future Foundations course and continuing education for families.

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Calls to Action & Resources

• Find Dr. Hom:
  • Future Generations Podcast
  • [Future Foundations Course](link to be included in show notes)
• Track Your Time Outdoors:
  • Inspired by the 1000 Hours Outside movement, encouraging families to set goals, track time in nature, and prioritize outdoor, screen-free experiences.

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Overall Tone

The conversation is candid, forthright, and encourages parents to question — and where needed, reject — the cultural status quo on child health. Both host and guest are passionate, hopeful, and focused on empowering families through practical information, stories of change, and an unwavering belief in parental wisdom, children’s resilience, and the natural world as a cornerstone of wellbeing. There is no shaming; rather, there is empathy for those “still in the system,” and inspiration for everyone looking for a change.

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Closing Reflection

Dr. Hom sums up:
“It’s miracles from beginning to end… so much of it stems back toward shifting belief systems. And you can change a lot.”
— (63:53)

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Edited and summarized by [Podcast Summarizer], preserving the voices and dynamic energy of Jenny Erich and Dr. Stanton Hom.

Transcript

[Dr. Stanton Hamm]

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[Jenny Erich]

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[Dr. Stanton Hamm]

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[Jenny Erich]

Welcome to the 1000 Hours Outside podcast. My name is Jenny Erich. I'm the founder of 1000 Hours Outside, and I am thrilled and honored to bring to you a man who I got to spend a wonderful hour with a few weeks ago, Dr. Stanton Hamm.

[Dr. Stanton Hamm]

It's so fun because your episode literally released this week. I know, I know.

[Jenny Erich]

I always get nervous. I'm like the type of person that didn't like to read my rough drafts at school, and I actually never did them. I always, never reread. I just returned it back in and I never got caught. So I don't know, I get nervous. I'm like, I hope I didn't say anything weird, but it was an honor to get a chance to talk with you. And the topics that you are putting out into the world are ones that are pushing back against cultural narratives, and they're challenging. And I think they give parents a lot of bravery, not only to make different choices, but. But to really think deeply about the choices that they are making and to know that sometimes there's different options than the ones that you've been presented with. So you're a graduate of the United States Military Academy at West Point, and you have been in practice for 16 plus years. And you're really helping families to. Like you said right before we started this phrase of shifting belief systems, sometimes I don't even think families would know. Adults would know. Like, actually, the core here is that I need to shift my belief system. Can you talk about your journey from graduating at West Point to the spot that you're at today?

[Dr. Stanton Hamm]

Yeah, I graduated from West Point. It's crazy. Just last month was our 25th year reunion, right? So, like, I'm not a young guy. I have younger kids, but I'm not. I'm not the youngest guy around the block. I graduated in 2000. I spent five years in the military, did one year in Iraq and got out in 2005. And military medicine said, you have the cleanest bill of health go into the world. You're amazing. Congratulations. And I didn't know. But I moved to San Diego, which is where I am now, and I lived with my brother, who was in his second year of chiropractic practice. And he looked at me through a completely different lens, and he was like, yeah. Like, I think he actually asked me if, like, are you okay? Because I was fit, I was strong, I was fast, I was smart. I could do anything mentally and physically I ever wanted to do, but I wasn't healthy. And, you know, looking back, although the medical system didn't necessarily diagnose me with anything. From all the things that are trending today, leaky gut, mental, emotional, dysregulation, you know, at the time, milder forms of ptsd, chronic pain, chronic stress, a lot of things that honestly, I didn't even know. And so I just said, I'll come to your office. I'll do everything you tell me to do. And that's when I learned about lifestyle being so important. And I learned how to surf, and I grew my hair out to here, and I, you know, Whole Foods was right across the street from where we lived. And so from nutrition to functional exercise and fitness, to yoga to meditation to prayer, to all sorts of different aspects of. Of things that are, I would say, are more trendy today. I started to make a part of my life which would include grounding, sunlight, nature, all the things that we talked about, right? Like all the things that you espouse to. And obviously, for me, I'm very biased. Chiropractic care, nervous system, focused root cause, focused chiropractic care, being the foundation for something passive, something done to me, versus things that I actively changed. And six weeks in, and I felt like, I don't know how old you are, Ginny, Right. But I'm old enough to know that old Nintendo button where you push the reset because it's all, like, weird. You hit the reset and it turns over, you're like, whoa. Like, my nervous system and my body kind of reset. And then six months in, my brother's like, dude, I think you're my healthiest patient. And I was like, how did you go from. How do. How do you go from, you know, four chronic dysregulated systems, Gut, mental, emotional, you know, pain, stress, all these different patterns to your healthiest patient. And the cool thing is he could, at the time, he could actually measure it, which was awesome because we then had, you know, my own experience. But also he had kind of a, you know, a miracle story in a second year practice saying like, oh, the things that we Talk about actually work. Yeah. And so the thing that maybe applies to your podcast also is I didn't know this, like, at the time, but I. I think I had mild forms of dyslexia. I was definitely, like, when I was younger, selectively mute. I had very, very, very, very social anxiousness, like, growing up and throughout, like, my adulthood, which is really weird to have at West Point because they just, like, beat it out of you, you know, like, they definitely haze it out of you. And I had to take one prerequisite course, going into chiropractic school, because I was inspired to apply. And I took a. An English class here at junior college, and I was like, okay, I just got to pass it. I just got to get a decent grade because usually I get, like, C minuses or Cs because I just couldn't read well or retain well. And then I got to the end of it, and my teacher was like, hey, have you ever thought of going into teaching? Because you're really prolific writer and you just command the material really well. And I was like, like, what did you just say to me? That's like my English floor AP teacher, which. Just a fun fact. He was, like, getting to the end of senior year, and I was, how do you get into English for AP with dyslexia? I don't know, but I was really good at, like, test taking, and I found ways to, like, do that. But he was like, you know, Stan, I think you should. I don't think you should take the AP test. I was like, you know, Mr. Holmes, I was not planning on taking the AP test. He's like, good, good, good. You know, because English is. It's your second language. And I was like, you know, Mr. Holmes, thank you for recognizing that. However, English is my only language. I'm just not good at this thing. And so English in high school into West Point really, really challenged. But as my nervous system was starting to heal and regulate, I got an A plus. And I went through my entire grad school with a completely different brain. Right? And so that was my fixation. Going into school was not only healing myself from the chronic issues that we see literally hockey stick epidemics for adults and children today in America. But these nervous disorders that lead to learning challenges and behavioral disorders, I found myself healing from completely outside of the system. And that led to me training, all of my postgraduate training concurrently with my graduate training. And that's kind of how we lead our practice today, being one of the top clinical practices for prenatal and pediatric chiropractic. And so I would say that might lead us to pretty much a more broad version of time, you know, the current time. But, yeah, what a path.

[Jenny Erich]

And what an interesting thing about how sometimes these happenstance situations can really change our lives. Like, you end up with your brother. And actually, for me, I was planning on doing a cesarean section with our oldest. Like, I was planning on doing a planned one. And I actually did end up having a cesarean section with our oldest. But. But I was planning on doing one because I had a friend, and she was like, you just. You go in, it's 45 minutes, and they hand you your baby and you can schedule it and, you know, and all of this. And I was like, oh, that sounds really nice. So that was my plan. And then I happened to be at my brother's house and he was rooming for a while with a doula, and she was like, excuse me. She was like, actually, there's really some benefits of going through the vaginal canal and you might, you know, you might want to look into it. So anyways, it did. It didn't end up going that direction, but it was a happenstance thing. And I don't think. I think if I would have been there at a different time and she wouldn't have been there. So here you are with your brother or the professor that says, you know, you should be teaching this. This is a really important, critical skill that you have. And so I just. I love those types of things. They. They remind me that things can change quickly. You know, you might be in a rough spot and you're like, hey, you might meet a person tomorrow that's going to help you change it. Around six weeks.

[Dr. Stanton Hamm]

Absolutely.

[Jenny Erich]

I mean, that's. That is remarkable, Dr. Stan. So talk to us and we're going to get into your. You've got a phenomenal podcast. It's called the Future Gener Generations podcast. Talk to us about freedom focused care. Can I give you one quick story? Well, I'm going to give you my.

[Dr. Stanton Hamm]

Please, please, please.

[Jenny Erich]

So here's my opinion. Are you ready? So we have vaccine injury in our family, and it is hard to find a doctor that would make any exceptions. A pediatrician, I think in particular, it's hard to find a pediatrician that would make any exceptions. What if you want to go slower? What if you want to space the shots out? And so in general, to me, that feels like tyranny. That's all I want to say.

[Dr. Stanton Hamm]

Yeah. I first wanted to applaud you, Ginny, because there are a Lot of people with huge platforms that refuse to cover this topic. And it's why our podcast has always been in the parenting category, has always been in the kids and family category, because we want to have these conversations in those types of categories. And at one point, we're in, like the top 30, and then we're in the top 90 for kids and family. And we ended up getting censored and we got. We got ousted. We were never back in. But, man, freedom, focused care, I would say at the root, right, at the root is care that is focused on helping patients need me and all doctors and all systems less over time. Like, we should be working ourselves out of a job by empowering patients by helping their bodies self heal and self regulate as optimally as possible with, without outside interventions, especially toxic, untested, unsafe products, you know, illegally mandated into their bloodstreams. Right. I would say that's. That's a route. Right. The number one question I get asked still today in practice, although it's changing, it's considerably changing, is, do you know any good pediatricians? And it's like, I am usually very quick now to come back and say, how do you find? How do you define that? Right? And in most cases, they're like, you just said, I don't want them to force anything. I want them to listen to me. I don't want them to kick me out because I don't do the thing exactly as they say. So. And I don't want them to leverage things that maybe my family has a unique sensitivity and potentially huge problem with. And. And I'm like, okay, that's a great definition. I know a few of those. What else? And they're like, well, I would like them to know a little bit more about maybe natural, more alternative, holistic options. I would like them to maybe consider the things that I've researched and maybe partner with me in a team, you know, not just a dictatorial, authoritative relationship where I have to do whatever you say and not ask any questions. Right. Take these pills forever. Right? And so it's like, okay, those are really important. Those are two completely different kind of definitions for what you would call good. I would say this. The latter half is, in the conventional system, doesn't exist. I don't think it exists at all in those that you might go into your insurance and go into your conventional medical, you know, local hospital or any sort of those types of things. There are very few that are actually going to partner with you to determine what natural things least, or invest invasive things are going to be the things that you want to start with. And then the former half, which is like, don't be a jerk, right? It's like, oh God, that's hard. That's really, really hard today because they are actually in some camps trained to meet things like vaccine hesitancy or like, I have my patient that just left. She's a nurse, she's from kaiser. She's an OB L&D nurse. Right? And she, on my podcast, she was like, you have no idea, Dr. Stan. You have no idea what we say about mothers who come in with birth plans. I'm like, what do you mean? She's like, well, there's this undertow of like, oh, they're gonna be a C section, right? There's an immediate judgment when a mom wants to customize. Not, I'm not saying every provider, but she was telling me why she left the medical system. And it's because it's not just that they don't, you know, in front of you say, hey, your birth plan. It's not a dialogue. It's usually just a carte blanche, like we don't do that here or you know, rolling of the eyes or a scoffing. But behind that is actually a undertow of, well, this person's not doing the thing that we are saying is not what they call the standard of care. And there's this kind of inherent. Just like we hear with school boards. I recently posted a, a video from someone from the Florida school board, of all places, right? Where they're talking about parents don't have the fundamental right to raise their own kids. You're like, whoa, like there are people that actually believe that we don't have the fundamental rights to raise our kids. And so when we, when somebody like you says, hey, this whole thing about forcing things into our kids bodies, like that's tyranny. That's true. That's just Carte Blanche, like 100 black and white. True. And if it is, then freedom focused care is one on one end. Just it stands in opposition to that. Not blindly, like, not blindly. Oh, we're just fighting the system to fight the system. But, but when we talk about belief systems, we're fundamentally different in a sense that we don't think about this, right? We don't think about this as, as families that go through our healthcare system, as parents that are navigating with our children now. But when they ask you, well, let me ask you. Why do you think they ask you about family history?

[Jenny Erich]

Who asked about family history? Like a.

[Dr. Stanton Hamm]

Just if A doctor, Right. Like if a doctor, a pediatrician, I.

[Jenny Erich]

Think that they would ask about this would be my opinion, but I don't know if it's correct. I think they ask about it because a lot of things are genetic. So they're wanting to know if you're susceptible or more susceptible to certain things.

[Dr. Stanton Hamm]

Yeah. And then when you, when you actually peel back the layer, right. Because you said it a little bit certain. When you peel back the layer, do you know how many things are actually genetic? Like purely genetic, inherited, no clue. It's like less than 1%. Most people don't know this. Mopies, most people. So, so this is something that's really important for you because you're a mother and you're a mother who grows humans, right? I don't grow humans. You grow humans. Right. And so, you know, I have this miraculous wisdom in my body that can take two half cells and in nine months transform that, you know, what they will call clump of cells, right. This, this being right. Into a 26 billion cell being in nine months and, and not one. Right. Like I've interviewed thousands of moms at this point and not one has ever consciously controlled every process. Ending cells, growing the nervous system, branching off nerves to grow the organ systems. Like no mom has to do that. 50,000 neural connections grow and plasticize per second in utero. And no mom has to think about it. 50,000 neurons per second grow in. Right. So, so, so, so then you can say that like that is a miracle. Right? But then they can say you have a family history of diabetes. Huh? Your child is probably going to have diabetes. You know what they have a little bit of blood sugar, dysregulation, take these pills. Right. And, and that, that to me people would say, well, diabetes is, it's not really a kid disease. Most people don't know the average age of diagnosis of type 2 adult onset diabetes. Do you know what age it is, the average age of diagnosis? No, it's 13. 13 year olds. Adult onset diabetes. Right. What's the youngest diagnosis? The youngest diagnosis is under three.

[Jenny Erich]

Right. And that which is so wild because a 13 year old is not an adult. And that's where they had to change the name.

[Dr. Stanton Hamm]

Right.

[Jenny Erich]

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[Dr. Stanton Hamm]

And so what we don't do, which is what we see in our practices, right? Where I am not, I'm a great chiropractor, but I'm part of multiple groups. I would say the best group of chiropractors clinically right now is a group called PX Docs. That stands for the pediatric experience. And I would say our group would agree with right where we have more patients coming into our offices today. Sometimes tweens and teens, more girls than boys because girls are just a little bit more self aware and willing to express that than boys. That say I feel old. And you're like whoa, right. Because when I was younger in practice it was like okay, maybe 20s, right? Some younger kids, younger professionals, they're in their mid-20s, they're living, you know, they're in the corporate, corporate world. They're, they're starting, you know, they're post grad school and they come in There, Like, I feel old. I'm like, dude, you're 25. You're not old, right? Like, you're super, super young. But because we're not addressing these chronic issues at a root cause those experiences are happening younger and children are verbalizing that they don't feel rested when they wake up. They don't feel rejuvenated when they sleep. They don't feel the rejuvenating nature that sometimes, maybe even nature would provide because there's so much dysregulation in their systems that they then reflexively, because they've heard it so many times from their parents and their, you know, aunts and uncles that they feel old as a teen. And it's not a small problem. It's a huge problem, right? Because now we have a chronic illness, right, that is, I think, the third or fourth leading cause of death, diabetes, that 13 year olds is the average age of diagnosis and that toddlers are already having, right? And I'm the crazy one. Like, I'm right, clap, right? So, so then when they say, oh, what's your family history? What are they inadvertently saying? They're saying, ginny, your child, you didn't grow your child from this. A miraculous force, this amazing wisdom inside of your body. That wisdom inside of your body when they're born. You know, sometimes we just, you know, loop moms into thinking that your child needs the system to actually survive and thrive. Right? There's no way that they could possibly operate without the system. So we have, as a belief system which goes all the way back to the mid-1900s with the genetic, the whole gene theory. And they were trying to prove that genes. Right, and who was this funded by? Pharma, Right? Rockefeller Medicine. They were trying to prove that the genetic code could be relative to disease patterns, which then could be immediately treated by pharmaceuticals. So the gene theory is that genes cause disease, right? But most people now are starting to learn about, like, some of the best people in this MAHA movement, like Dr. Austin Lake, and a lot of these amazing guys, like, are taught Wilco, like these amazing Josh acts. They're talking about epigenetics, right? They're talking about this whole concept that there's control above the genes, and the control above the genes is the environment and our lifestyle. And in conventional camps, they immediately almost like push that into a corner. They minimize the, you know, the interventions that we might believe that are life changing. Like you shared on my podcast, like, the second you took your kids outside, you're like, whoa, like, everything is. Wait, our whole like everything is different, right? Our whole systems are different. And so the reality is, is once you take that, which some people may or may not know, but DNA to protein, right? DNA to RNA to protein is how we express health or disease in the body. But if you take that DNA and you say that it actually is influenced by the environment and the lifestyle, it inadvertently gives you power back as parent and as children, and you then a physiological, genetic makeup for a beeline exit outside of the system, like I experienced myself, right? And so that's essentially what many of us are subscribing to today, is the recognition that if we continue to steal power from parents, if we continue to question whether or not they have the, the right to raise their own children. But inadvertently, in my office, like when children are 7 to 9 years old and they're starting to develop their brain waves, I don't teach mom about their results. I teach them about the results and I teach them about the results and I'll show them the neurological scans and I show them their full spine X rays and I'll talk to them about their experience of life and then I'll start drawing the connections. Because to us it's not linear, but it is logical, not neurological, right? When you're looking at the nervous system, it is cause and effect. And so when you can show kids their results and tie it to their outcomes and you can show them, hey, there's an interference pattern here, a structural and functional interference pattern here that these nerves control, these organ systems, these organ systems, when they're not online and functioning and self regulating, well, may produce symptoms. And those symptoms are not, in our view, always comfortable. Sometimes they're downright nuisance, sometimes they're painful, sometimes they're scary. But to us they're not errors. To us, they are a signal from the system that is saying, let's figure out where this is coming from and we can show kids. And kids look at that and they're.

[Jenny Erich]

Like, oh, I bet they love it.

[Dr. Stanton Hamm]

They love it. Little scientists, they love it, they get it and then they inadvertently understand that they can do something about their health outcomes. And then they're, then they're, then they're ours, right? Then they're ours. But it's not ours, right? Because that's what the other system is. Then they are their own own. Then, then they are free beings to navigate, you know, the health journey that they can, they can make or break based on the decisions and choices that they make. And this is not me. I do want to say that, that I Do want to say, just as a caveat, like, for those of you who have heard that, hey, I have a genetic predisposition for blank, right? I'm not saying that that's not valid. I'm not saying that your experience isn't true. I am saying that sometimes if you open the window a little bit bigger, that there's way more possibility for the root cause healing than our conventional system and conventional science has allowed you to believe. Okay.

[Jenny Erich]

All right. There's a lot there. It's so good. Three things. First of all, you brought up Dr. Josh Axe, and he has a similar story to you about his grades. And so I thought that was really interesting. I think that's one of the things that a parent might not know is interrelated. He said the same thing. It was, like, struggled with his grades, and then he fixed his food, and he did not struggle with his grades anymore. So that's a big thing. Second thing, I don't feel old.

[Dr. Stanton Hamm]

I don't either.

[Jenny Erich]

So that's an interesting phenomenon for a child to be able to verbalize and have some sort of a thought in their mind about what old feels like. I don't feel old. In fact, often I think, should I feel old? I think because a lot of people talk about, I, wow, I wake up and I'm like, I feel kind of fine. Should I feel differently? So that's. That's kind of a sad thing, you know, that in teen years that they're even thinking that at all, they feel old. So that's a call to action, for sure. I'm gonna tell you another story. This is so interesting, because I didn't know about the genetics. So we had two births in the hospital cesarean section, which was not my plan. I had a birth plan, you know, so then I ended up with the cesarean section. Failure to progress. And then the second one, I tried to do a VBAC also. Just. It didn't happen. So the third one, we went with a midwife, and I home birthed. So I had two cesareans and then home birth, all within less than three years. So, you know, now I've learned there's a little more you're supposed to put in there. You talk a lot about preconception help, which I think is really important. But we home birthed, and at that point, I still hadn't changed my belief systems quite yet. You know, I was. I had done it basically because it felt like it was my only other option to not have a cesarean section. I could do this homework with this midwife who is phenomenal and I have since learned a ton from, but was still at the beginnings of it. It. So we have this home birth and then I called the pediatrician that we have been going to to set up the two month. I think there's a two month visit, but. And we'd had this home birth and the midwife comes at day one, day two, day three, day seven days, 14 and six weeks. So the midwife is coming to check on this baby. She's been a midwife for 30 years. She's delivered however many babies, he's healthy, he's nursing, he's going to the bathroom, all the things. And I called this, set up the two month appointment and the nurse, he was maybe like three or four days. The nurse was shocked. Dr. Stan, she was like, he has not been seen by a doctor. I was like, no, but he's been seen by the midwife a bunch of times, you know, and he's doing great, he's thriving. So then I was like, it really threw me off because she was like, like really combative about it. So then I was like, you know what? I think I, you know, I don't, I don't know if I really want to have this two month appointment.

[Dr. Stanton Hamm]

Yeah.

[Jenny Erich]

Anyway, she basically got back and said I needed to bring him in immediately. He needed to be seen by a doctor immediately. So talking about freedom, it was really just an interesting thing. My midwife was like, you should probably do it because they might call cps, you know, child protective service, whatever it's called in people's states. So we take them to this pediatrician and first of all, they said they had never. It was a practice that had maybe like 20 pediatricians. It was this huge thing. They said they had never seen a home birth baby. I was like, come on. Like this. Isn't that out of the norm? I mean, I know it's like way less, but they never seen a homework baby. And then they required that we take him down to the lab to do this heel prick thing for these genetic abnormalities that would have already shown up. Like they were like 99 of these would have shown up within the first day or so anyways, we didn't do it.

[Dr. Stanton Hamm]

We just left.

[Jenny Erich]

They told us that we had to do it. And I'm like, I feel like we have passed the point of no return. It's been a long time, so I don't think anybody's coming for us. But, but it was. That's interesting to me now to know because I was unsure about it, but I was like, this seems ridiculous. Like we would already know if he had whatever it was like such a high percentage that would show up within the first 24 hours. And then to know that it's only one, it only affects 1%.

[Dr. Stanton Hamm]

Yeah, yeah. The, the, the, the heel prick test. I actually took a little bit of heat from this from some of the medical providers that follow me because I, I, I, I, I wasn't saying and saying don't do it. What I was saying was that when you take this test, your child's data goes into a database and they have their information, their DNA. Yeah. So you can, you can, if you want to take the test, you can opt out of that. I just don't trust the opting out. That's me. So we didn't do it for our kids either, Right?

[Jenny Erich]

All right, that's great. We like took our baby and ran.

[Dr. Stanton Hamm]

Well, yeah, yeah, because, because that, the, the midwife was, you know, a little bit like, hey, yeah, like cps, right?

[Jenny Erich]

Yeah, like I shouldn't have called. I shouldn't have called to set up the two month appointment. If I wouldn't have called, it wouldn't have sent that cascade of effects happening. And then obviously then by child four and by five, I'm like, I'd learned my lesson. But how interesting. And they made it seem like it was the most important thing in the world and what a irresponsible parent I was to not have done the heel prick.

[Dr. Stanton Hamm]

And they would, they would pretty much, they, they, I would say there is no discrimination on what thing that they may escalate to the most important thing. It's usually the thing that they're trying to get you to do, right? And everything doesn't matter, man. How far down this route do you Want to go? CPs in hospitals, are they even there for child like safety? Are they there for you? What about law enforcement? Are they there for you? No, law enforcement is in hospitals for cps. Law enforcement isn't even there for you. So, so for us that might be a little bit triggering for some families, but that's actually just true. That's just true. So like a lot of families, they feel. And then, and then that same question, right? Do you know any good pediatricians? And then I'll say, why do you think you need one? Right? And then sometimes they're like, I think I'm just supposed to have one, right? Aren't you supposed to have one? And I was like, says who? And for what? Right? And so there is so your listeners should know this if they're open to this conversation, that there are today. There are medical advocates that exist, that one of them, one of which I believe is called remnant healthcare, there's another several that are actually almost like parent doulas that are third party, that are medical providers, nurses, nurse practitioners and doctors that you could establish a, a, a regular visit of care. Right. Because you don't want to go into the conventional system. You can actually do your visits with these providers and then if you ever, God forbid, need to go into the system, they act as your doula, they speak on your behalf, they professionally liaise or at least connect and communicate with the providers that are trying to, you know, kind of tell you what to do. And they advocate for you and your values. Right? And that's something that I'll say to some families, not because, like fight the system sometimes I'll just say, okay, all the things that you shared. This is not a, like a metric. This is not to scale. Right. But I feel like your family's values are here and your provider's values are, are here. And I'm not saying one is right.

[Jenny Erich]

I'm saying for those listening, one hand.

[Dr. Stanton Hamm]

Is higher than the other hand is higher than the other. Like family values are always higher and then the system's values are always lower. And then I, I usually just say there's, I would love to help you reconcile that to some degree. And, and in most cases. Well, I'll just give an example. One of our moms who's an amazing, amazing now home birth mom, she was just like, I don't think you can have a home birth. I'm like, interesting. So let's, let's talk about that, right? And then we kind of went through a conversation about, you know, what her previous experience was to what, you know, possible, what becomes possible when you have a different environment. The very next visit, boom, she was like, got my midwife, we're having a baby at home. I was like, wow, that happened fast. That escalated quickly. And then all of a sudden I'm adjusting a baby, day one, the day she's born at home. And, and that's a completely different lived and life experience for that mom and baby triad. But then that whole unit of a system, like dad has told me, like, I can't even tell you, like, how like dramatically different this was than our first birth and how healed we are and how redemptive it is. And I was like, man, that's awesome, right? And it's only through asking questions. I Didn't tell her, like, you have to have home birth because the system is going to, like, tear you down. It's more of just helping people identify that maybe their belief systems and their values are more elevated than the systems. And then we have to do. I would say in many cases, outcomes can be because of that dissonance. Right. Just from that dissonance alone. I don't like my doctor. He's disrespectful. He's coercing me into certain things. Like with COVID one of my patients came in recently and she goes, I got the thing. And then I've had all these problems since then, right? And this is a laundry list of problems. And I was like, thank you for sharing that. That. She's like, you're the only person that was open to actually hearing it. I was like, okay, well, that's. That's always here. You're always going to be able to express that here. And then she told the whole story about how, like, she felt forced to. Right? Yeah. Because of her work, everybody did. Right. Like, we were. We were literally, like, in the, like, most gnarly psychological operation in the history of the world. Right. And I just very, like, reflexively just asked her, I was like, can you. Can you just be frank with me? What was worse, the shot or being forced to get it? And she goes, oh, being forced to get it. I was like, why? And she goes, well, if I can choose things, which every day I choose things that are maybe not the best for my health, I can deal with my own choice. I can deal with my own responsibility and post personal responsibility, and I can deal with the fact that maybe I need to learn something or I need to do something differently. But when you're coerced and you're forced, like, there's something about that that is. Which I would say your word is tyrannical. And. And that, in my. In my opinion, has no place in any free society, but especially in the healthcare system for sure.

[Jenny Erich]

So the tyranny is interesting to me because I don't think anybody seems to really use that word or talk about it. But if you cannot stay with a pediatrician because you don't do the full vaccination schedule and they're going to kick you out, and then you get no care in the United States of America, you cannot find one.

[Dr. Stanton Hamm]

What.

[Jenny Erich]

What else is. What else would that be called? Or you have to take your baby to get this heel prick. Or you have to bring your baby in to be seen by this doctor. I mean, he was in there for two minutes. The guy was like, he's fine. Never seen a home birth baby. I was like, well here's one, your first one, it was old Dr. Stan. I mean he was like white hair, beard. I mean he was probably in his six. Sorry, if anyone's in their 60s, you know, he's older, an older man. It wasn't like he was, was 24. So yeah. What an interesting thing that. I don't know, I don't think the word is used enough when it comes to holiday gifting. I want to give things people genuinely love. Beautiful, timeless pieces they'll wear for years. And that's why I'm going with quince. From Mongolian cashmere sweaters to Italian wool coats, everything is premium quality at a price that actually makes sense. Quince truly has something for everyone. Their soft Mongolian cashmere sweaters start at just $50 and they look and feel like the designer pieces you see for 200 or more. They've got gorgeous silk tops and skirts for dressing up, perfectly cut denim for everyday life and outerwear that actually keeps you warm without feeling bulky. And their Italian wool coats, oh my goodness, these are standout pieces. Beautifully tailored, soft to the touch and made to last for season after season. What I love most is that quince works only with ethical trusted factories and uses truly premium materials. Yet their prices stay far below know what you'd pay at other luxury brands. Personally, I've been reaching for my quince cashmere non stop as the holidays get closer. The cashmere feels incredible. Soft, structured and it doesn't pill. It is the kind of quality I normally expect from a 200 sweater, not $50. Fine. Gifts so good you'll want to keep them with quints. Go to quince.com outside for free shipping on your order and 365 day returns now available in Canada too. That's Q U-I-N-E.com outside to get free shipping and 365 day returns. Quince.com outside but the home birth too. You know, I remember when my midwife had to go through all these certifications. She's like she's been midwifeing for however many years. This is an age old practice.

[Dr. Stanton Hamm]

Yeah.

[Jenny Erich]

And it for some people the cost and the time would be prohibitive and so then there's less midwives. I mean we talk about that quite a bit. We talk, I talk about for my own daughters, what are the options going to be for them. And it's a little bit of a bleak outcome. Out, out There for sure.

[Dr. Stanton Hamm]

I would say that that's kind of the charge of this generation of parents. Right. Those of us who are in this field that I think it is a growing, growing, growing field of those that are like, hey, that system. I don't know if I want that system. Which system? All of them. You know, like, I don't really like lots about all of them. Whether it's school and curriculum or it's technology and social media and brainwashing, or if it's healthcare and like to medical products and things like that. People are like, I don't know if I want that anymore. Right. And it is one thing to say I don't want it and I'm just going to go in a different direction, which I believe is really important. Right. I think that's maybe a reason why the word doesn't exist anymore. Like tyranny isn't exist anymore. Because one, I think we're a little muted as a free people in society. But second, it's like we have a lot of, we can just go that, that, that direction these days. Back in the day, there weren't really ways to escape too many of the things outside of like second Amendment and all sorts of things. Right. You had to fight for those rights back then. And, but, but now I would say our generation of parents, you being one of like, I, like I was hopefully like just reinforcing and affirming in you. It's like you are part of this mission to create the new infrastructure of what is available for parents.

[Jenny Erich]

Yeah.

[Dr. Stanton Hamm]

And it's just, it's not just going outside. It's actually just a complete cultural dynamic change.

[Jenny Erich]

Right.

[Dr. Stanton Hamm]

Where the moms that are creating homeschool opportunities for us here in California, because we've been saying homeschooler move. Right. For over 10 years. Right. Because of all the laws out here and vaccines and things like that. Those moms that have stood the test of time have built really robust infrastructures that we don't realize that. One of my mentors, Kevin Jenkins, who is very activated during the COVID you know, fiasco and he is a descendant of, you know, the civil rights movement. And so he was one of the few black Americans that was really, really vocal about everything. And he was like saying things like the COVID vaccine passport, like if you fake that thing, like it's, it's, it's a modern day slave catcher. Like he was so like aggressive about his languaging because he, he understood like what civil rights were at stake. But he was like very clear to Me saying, you know, because I would talk about the movement. He was like, it's not a movement. It's not a movement. It's not a movement until you create enough of an infrastructure that it builds an economy that drives that new pathway. So he's like, you got to keep going. You got to keep going. You got to keep building and building and building, and then it becomes a true thing with legs, which is why I was so inspired by you and, you know, food, babe, et cetera, like, that whole movement, 400,000 signatures. Because it was. It was the first time we saw en masse all of the, like, these factions that came together to just go after one company. But it was a flag in the sand that helped people recognize that we're not just here, but we're here to play a big game. And, oh, by the way, where are we going to be in five years? Where are we going to be in 10 years? Where are we going to be in the next hundred years? Which, if you go back to the early 1900s, and if you read any of the documents from the pharmaceutical industries, you will see things like hundred year visions for what they envisioned for human society, which some of their documents sound very philanthropic, very. At the beginning, and maybe they were. But fast forward 10 years or 100 years, and we have medical tyranny, right? Who on our camp is creating the vision for humanity that is a hundred years from now, that has an infrastructure and an economy and a whole system that is built so robustly? But I think we have something that's really, really unique on our side, which I think we're seeing it, unfortunately, right? Because I've seen it in my practice for 16 years, where earlier in practice, maybe my fifth or sixth year, where I started to, like, kind of really know my stuff. You know, I was getting a little bit of. A little bit of swag, you know, I was like, this chronic illness thing, right? It's 54 of our kids in 2011, 2012, right? That's. That's 13 years ago. Right? That's not now. That's. That's 13 years Ago. Yeah, so that's like. That's like over a decade ago. And I teach parents now. I have the workshop at the end of this month. And I'll say, like, these Data are from 10, 12 years ago. Is it better or worse now? And everybody says it's worse. Everybody knows the health outcomes of our children are worse. And that is the product of our current conventional system, right? Whether it's the food system, you name it, Right. All those things are leading to this 54% and more of health outcomes. But what I knew in my practice was that patients that came through my practice, right, through neurologically focused pediatric or prenatal chiropractic care, where mom is educated from the very beginning, even before four babies here, about all the different choices that she may navigate, that if parents did not perfectly right, but did have greater consciousness around their choices, more critical thinking actually made better choices. I was like, huh? I don't think we have any chronic illness in our practice. Right. And it's like, why is there a difference? Why is there a difference between the conventional system and me, young in practice, five years, where it's like not a little bit of difference. It's. It's like black and white. Like, we didn't have any chronic illness. I would say now it's a little bit different because it's so. I think the system is getting so pervasive, right? Because EMF technology, blue light everywhere, chemtrails, all the things. Right. All those things are enveloping our kids that. I think a lot of the things that were working back then are less effective. Not. Not effective, but less effective now. But that chasm is still there where more than half of our children are expressing chronic illness. So fast forward that. That alone, 10 years, 20 years, 50 years, 100 years, we're going to have two different species, and it will actually come down to who is stuck in the system more and who has actually found their path out. Right?

[Jenny Erich]

Yeah. It goes back to these belief systems. And so people can listen to your podcast or is called the Future Generations Podcast. You talk about a lot of these different topics, and it's vitally important. If over half of our children have at least one chronic illness, obviously we are doing something incorrectly and we need to make some changes. You talk a lot about preconception help, vibrant preconception help, and also prenatal, so. And also, I'm sure, postnatal as well.

[Dr. Stanton Hamm]

Of course. Yeah, yeah, all the way through.

[Jenny Erich]

But one of the things you Talk about is 1 in 8 couples, which is 12%, have trouble getting pregnant or sustaining pregnancy. One third of infertility is attributed to the female, one third is attributed. To the male. One third is caused by a combination of problems in both partners or is unexplained. In 1900, 95 of women gave birth at home. 95 out of 100. So that pediatrician would have seen another home birthday. He would have seen a lot of them, because that was the norm. I think a Lot of this goes back to historical norms. Can you find things that are historically normal in a technological age and those will help you? I want to, I want to hit this because I thought this was really interesting. I found it on your website and I never heard of it. So I want to make sure we don't run out of time for it. You talk about spinal degeneration. Spinal degeneration in the form of loss of normal cervical spine lordosis.

[Dr. Stanton Hamm]

Yeah.

[Jenny Erich]

Curvature has been identified as early as age 6. We know this is a primary factor in causing neurodevelopmental delays in 1 in 6 children today. Can you talk about spinal degeneration? I don't think anybody's thinking about that in terms of kids.

[Dr. Stanton Hamm]

Yeah. So in like an ortho or neuro that's listening to this like an md, they would be like, there's no spinal degeneration in kids. Right. And they would look at it very differently than we would as functional based chiropractors, right. Like we are made with what they call compensatory curves, right? Meaning we are born in the fetal position, right? So if we turn this way like a C, right. And then every mom who has a baby has at some point seen them lift their head up, recognize the horizon, start scanning and panning and we don't realize, but this is one of the first things that we are literally designed to do as humans as biped, a two footed species, right. We're not on all fours, we are standing upright. And so we don't have a C curve, although most elderly folk do today because they've never been taught about their spinal health. So when we have a healthy nervous system or healthy neurodevelopment, we have a good neck curve. And then as babies start to sit and squat and crawl, they develop their low back curve, right? And so they have those two curves to make us separate species. And then, you know, around five or so we start conventional school and we start sitting a lot. And immediately when kids sit more in school, like they slouch, right? They, they, they just do. I do an exam and kids will slouch and moms will be like, hey, make sure you sit up. So all the kids that are listening to this and your parents say sit up, they're right. They're right. Because unless you're leaving the gravitational field, you're always going to be in some respects bound by the health of your, we would call it, your neurospinal system. Right?

[Jenny Erich]

Yeah.

[Dr. Stanton Hamm]

And so why that matters, right? I would say it's a Little bit more elegant today because of the increase in clinical metrics. Functionally, like, we can literally measure the nervous system in that cervical region. We measure it in two ways in our office. One is through a scan called surface electromyography, which is a large word for brain to muscle connection. Right. And we measure it through infrared thermography, where we can measure heat patterns. Heat patterns that we extrapolate to vasodilation, maybe neural inflammation.

[Jenny Erich]

Nope. We gotta slow down. You gotta slow down. All right, Brain. You can measure how strong the connection is between brain and muscles.

[Dr. Stanton Hamm]

Yes, brain. Brain and nerves in the spine.

[Jenny Erich]

How strong? Brain and nerves in the spine. Why does that matter?

[Dr. Stanton Hamm]

It matters because. Well, it matters if you know what normal is. Right. So we know what a normal cervical curve is, which is mostly measurable on X ray. But if you're standing upright, most people today are comfortable with this forward head, upper cross syndrome, where all of us are kind of front forward. We lose our curves on our neck. Our traps are super tight, our shoulders are rounded forward. I speak to audiences, you know, with upwards of hundreds of people, and I'll say, who has good posture? And no one raises their hand. Right? Not one person raises their hand because they just. We just classically don't have good posture. And we know it. Right, but how do we know it? We know it because we know what upright is innately, but we don't have any framework. Right. Like this morning, Jenny, did you brush your teeth? Yeah. How about last night? Yesterday morning?

[Jenny Erich]

Yep.

[Dr. Stanton Hamm]

Yeah. Did you?

[Jenny Erich]

The night before that?

[Dr. Stanton Hamm]

Do you go to the dentist? Occasionally. Right. Like, sometimes, like, people are like, oh, I go to a biological dentist. Great, great. Did you do your neurospinal hygiene exercises this morning? Yeah.

[Jenny Erich]

Nope.

[Dr. Stanton Hamm]

No. Right. Like, and then, yeah, I get it. What's more important? You're spinning your teeth. Right. And people are like, oh, that's super weird. My spine is way more important than my teeth. Although we could argue both ways. If you actually understand, like, how the body's designed and because we've done that for 130 years as the age of our profession, not taught people that their neurospinal system is equally, if not more important than their teeth. We have totally messed up nervous systems. If you were to look at a nerve chart, which. I'll send you one. But the region of the cervical spine, upper and lower cervical. The neural.

[Jenny Erich]

Does that mean the neck?

[Dr. Stanton Hamm]

Yeah, the neck. Sorry, the upper and lower part of the neck. All right. If you looked at where those nerves, like, go in the body, what they're Responsible for controlling that. If you could measurably understand that it was not like healthy, meaning from a structural perspective, from X rays, or from a functional perspective through our scans that you could see, hey, there. There are interference patterns, There are ways that the nerves are not able to communicate optimally to these specific systems, Then you could say what those systems might do if they were offline or not functioning well. Like what. What symptoms would they produce? You could take that linear kind of projection, that neurological projection. And I would argue that 90% of our kids, Chronic illnesses are coming from the. That region. Oh, wow.

[Jenny Erich]

From the neck.

[Dr. Stanton Hamm]

From the neck. From the cervical spine and from the.

[Jenny Erich]

Connections to the brain.

[Dr. Stanton Hamm]

From the connections up and down from the brain. Right. So why is this important? Right. Brain is the master system, obviously. The service circle. The. The central nervous system is the master system. What makes the brain work? Oxygen. Right. Some sort of fuel, usually sugar, fat. Right. Metabolism in the brain and stimulation. Without those three things, the brain doesn't work. What is the most robust form of stimulation that the brain needs to function optimally? And it is movement. It's movement through the neurospinal system. And so we call them mechanoreceptors. That's a big word, right? Mechanoreceptors in the nerve endings along your spine send more stimulation to the brain than anywhere else in the body. And that's why we have kids in our practice that are losing their minds. Right. Like, sometimes parents are like, you know what? If we don't. If we don't do something, they're going to jail. And you're like, okay, let's do something. And we start adjusting them sometimes in one area. And it's not like weeks, sometimes it's days. We're like, oh, you know what? They're coming down for dinner now. That's really weird. They're usually upstairs in the room only playing video games. Oh, what else have you guys done? Oh, we've only gotten adjusted. Like, oh, great, that's awesome. That happens. Right? We have some children that have speech delays, and they've never said a word in their life. Right. And then all of a sudden, on the way home after an adjustment, they look at their siblings and they say, I love you. And you're like, oh, that's super weird. We'll hear those stories too, right? Just from adjustments. Right. And it's not that chiropractic treats speech. It's that chiropractic provides a impulse into the nervous system to restore healthy communication between the brain and the body. And A healthy, more regulated, self healing nervous system has a completely different outcome than one that's totally dysregulated. And I would argue, and I'm very biased, that chiropractic is the most, I would say elegant, most effective window and application into what we would say are the root causes to these imbalances, which is awesome.

[Jenny Erich]

Was there a second test?

[Dr. Stanton Hamm]

Second test? I don't remember I was talking about tests.

[Jenny Erich]

Okay, well, there was the one about being able to test with the infrared, though.

[Dr. Stanton Hamm]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Yep. So there. Oh, there's three tests. Right. So brain body connection. We measure the brain to muscle connection where we have electrodes and we can actually measure how much, much activity is in the motor system, which we would say is a reflection of tension and spasm. Right. Then we do the infrared thermography, which measures heat signature patterns, which tells us about blood flow, dysregulation, blood flow and temperature. Dysregulation.

[Jenny Erich]

Oh, goodness, there's so much to know, isn't there?

[Dr. Stanton Hamm]

Neural inflammation. And the third test that we do.

[Jenny Erich]

Wait, okay, so it's blood flow. I interrupted blood flow and temperature, which is related to what?

[Dr. Stanton Hamm]

Neural inflammation.

[Jenny Erich]

Okay, that's. No, it doesn't sound like anybody wants neural inflammation. Okay.

[Dr. Stanton Hamm]

And then the third test is heart rate variability. Heart rate variability is like a lot of the people that are wearing, you know, they're wearing little aura rings and things like that don't wear them anymore because they're sending your information to the government. But heart rate variability as a test is okay.

[Jenny Erich]

Also, are you being exposed to like, like EMFs through those too?

[Dr. Stanton Hamm]

You are.

[Jenny Erich]

Okay.

[Dr. Stanton Hamm]

You can't not. Right.

[Jenny Erich]

Okay.

[Dr. Stanton Hamm]

And so our test just puts a little ear clip. Right. And it measures, it measures pulse rate on our babies and our kids. And then older kids will put three fingers in a machine that measures their pulse rate over time. Heart rate variability is becoming the gold standard in measuring vagus nerve regulation, autonomic system balance, and what they call the prefrontal cortex function. I would argue that if there are three areas of the nervous system that are dysregulated, in virtually every neurodevelopmental issue in kids, it's those three areas. The vagus nerve, the prefrontal cortex, and the autonomic system. All three of those having huge impacts on our child's neurodevelopment.

[Jenny Erich]

Yeah. What's interesting is that those words come up a lot in the conversations I have because screens affect them quite a bit. And also nature helps them.

[Dr. Stanton Hamm]

Yeah. And so, so, so nature. Nature is Again, it's not like a therapy for the problem or the disease or the symptom. Nature is which, you know, kind of to, to, to go off of what we were talking about earlier is providing a sufficient level of a epigenetic environmental demand that our systems demand a certain amount, quantity and quality of exposure to nature that we have been generationally deficient in. And so when you put a child a thousand hours outside, I would argue you, you could probably collect within a mom's like membership over the first year, like the miracle stories. You probably have like chapters and catalogs of the miracle stories. And it's not that. It's not that nature treats anxiety. It's that children who have a healthy amount of nature having their nervous system navigate in, don't express anxiety. They just don't have that to the degree that most others do.

[Jenny Erich]

Wow, that's powerful, Dr. Stan, because that's how I feel about so many of the modern day parenting problems with our kids. And like I said at the beginning, we started off with the cesarean section route, switched to the midwife, was still with the pediatrician up until kid 3 started to make some changes with our food then, but still, I'm not the best at it, but I would say with a lot of these modern day parenting problems and problems that children have and problems that families have, I would say we just don't have that. We just don't have. Yeah, over and over again, not that. And I don't even really say it out loud because it's not, not. I don't want to be braggadocious and I'm not trying to be rude and I don't even. 1000. I can't even like, you know, completely trace it back to lifestyle choices though. I, you know, I've read a lot and I, I would think that a lot of it goes back to that, but so often I'm like, oh, we just don't have that. We're not struggling with that. And it's because to your point, it's, it's not present. You're saying basically it's like not presenting. It's, it's a preventative. No.

[Dr. Stanton Hamm]

So I would say it is. It's not that it's not presenting. It's that what do our genes respond to? Right? What does our nervous system respond to? It responds to the environment that we're in. Right. And so if, if we return our nervous system and our genes back to a more optimal environment, the natural consequences, which is symptoms and diseases, go away because the signals are always being triggered by some sort of lifestyle or epigenetic environmental trigger, which is really, really important, Right. Because you could very clearly identify, like, it's overwhelming, right, for parents, like, oh, my gosh, I can't do Red 40. Oh, my gosh, I can't do, like, the laundry list of toxins. Right. All the things that we have to reconcile. A lot of times, if you just go internal and you think about it through your own intuition, like, what are the major priorities for my kid? Right?

[Jenny Erich]

Yeah.

[Dr. Stanton Hamm]

You probably come up with like a top three list. And it's not about doing everything in those top three. It's about doing consistent things every single day that start to shift your child's expression of health or disease. And if you don't know, because it seems like everything, then I would say it's really important to find a provider like myself or some of the neurologically focused chiropractors that haven't kind of an expert understanding of what that environment is and how our nervous systems are actually showing dysregulation. So the beautiful thing about our. Our scans is you don't have to have symptoms. That's the truest model. I would say the most powerful model of our care is we could measure patterns of interference parents long before they've actually led to certain symptom patterns. And if you start to reconcile and heal those patterns before they present as symptoms, that's called prevention. Right? And it's really, really important for families to understand that that model of healthcare that they're looking for actually already exists. And it's just a matter of. Of finding that right provider and then, you know, truly building that partnership and that relationship. And, you know, at the end of the day, some respects, and this is me, me humbly saying, sometimes it's a recognition that for me, my scans don't pathologize children. Like, my scans don't say, you know what, Jenny? You don't know your child. Right? I know your child better than you. It's. It's different. Our scans listen, right? We're listening to mom. We're listening to. To kiddo. We're listening to babies because babies tell us everything you know, not through words, but through what their expression is. And then we use our scans to validate your intuition and your lived experience so that then we can partner and create the outcome that you're actually looking for. Right? And so it's really important because if you do that and you identify patterns that validate swams experiences, they know innately, if I. If we Start to reconcile these and heal these. I usually say what's gonna, what's gonna happen? Right? What's gonna happen? If we restore normal communication, those systems come back online. Those systems start to self heal and self regulate your kids kiddo's body. What's going to happen? Like I think they'll just get better. Yes, they actually do just get better. It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when. For us. We just don't play God and say when. We're going to say it's going take six visits, you know, adjustments to your cervical spine and all of a sudden your, your nonveral low functioning autism is gone. We would never say that. That's what medicine often does. Right. We would say what is the unique bio. Individual expression of symptoms that this child has? Does. What are the systems that contribute to that expression of. Of disease? Right. Or symptoms? What are the regions of the nervous system that have a direct line into those systems? Can we measure what's going on in those systems or in those connections? And if there's something that's off, if we restore that communication, those systems come back online and the body does what it's made to do, which is miraculous feeling and expression of our design. Right.

[Jenny Erich]

It's miracles from beginning to end. Miracles from the very beginning all the way through. And the things that seem like miracles, right. Where people probably feel like they're without hope and then they're able to find a new life and a new life path. And so much of it stems back toward shifting belief systems. And you can change a lot. So people can find out more on your podcast. It's called the Future Generations podcast. There's incredible episodes there that you can listen to. And this has just been such an honor. I'm so thankful.

[Dr. Stanton Hamm]

Thank you so much.

[Jenny Erich]

And that we got this opportunity. Need to have this conversation. We always end our show with the same question. The question is what's a favorite memory from your childhood that was outside?

[Dr. Stanton Hamm]

Favorite memory is actually a picture of my brother that my parents often use as his first window into chiropractic where I'm sitting in his lap and he's holding my head in his, in his hands. We were at a family barbecue. My dad is classically known as like the guy who goes asleep, like he'll just pass out anywhere. He'll just like if he's gone at a family dinner at like 4:30 or 5, he's upstairs sleeping. Right. And so in the background where my brother's holding my head giving Me, my first adjustment because I'm just a baby, my dad is literally passed out right behind and he's like racked out and, and my brother, you know, it's kind of a funny like thing for us where this is maybe not. That's a funny story. I have a whole host of other ones.

[Jenny Erich]

I feel like people talk about that a lot, that there are these threads back to childhood that you can get like a little bit of a glimpse. If people are interested in more help, they can also take your course, the Future Foundations course, which is a culmination of these years and years of patients that you've seen and things that you've learned. Can you tell people where to find the course and more information?

[Dr. Stanton Hamm]

Yeah, I, if it's okay, I can, I can share the, the link with you and you, you can provide that in your show notes. But Future Foundations, if I could put it into summary, it says, we're talking Ginny. It's about helping families reconcile a lot of the belief systems that we don't know, that we inherited generationally through the medical systems and through the way that our families navigated. But it's the things that I've taught. Like a lot of families will say, hey, I'm not in San Diego. How do I work with you?

[Jenny Erich]

Right.

[Dr. Stanton Hamm]

And this is, I would say, the crux of everything. It's not the adjustment as much as it's about the education and inspiration that helps shift our families in a way that changes literally the trajectory of their family tree. It's a three month course that guides families naturally through like this kind of critical thinking, understanding of maybe even reconciling some of the belief systems that don't serve us in the future version of who we are. But also just like realizing actually we need to ground in on some really empowering ones and we need to be able to kind of build up our children and us in this day and age because who knows what's coming down 10, 20, 30, 50 years down the road. And if parents are much more prepared at a belief system basis with healthc care, then in my opinion, we would never have fell for what, you know, we did five years ago, let alone what could come next.

[Jenny Erich]

Wow. So good. Thank you so much for being here.

[Dr. Stanton Hamm]

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