
Wayne Federman returns to dive into The Rolling Stones’ breakthrough album Out of Our Heads, exploring its blues roots, the creation of “Satisfaction,” and how it helped define rebellion, identity, and the sound of rock music in the 1960s.
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JM
The 500 the 500 JM been walking us down through that 2012 edition so it ain't nothing to you. Hundreds more to go and in need of a friend. The King of peaceful angelo Talking the 500 until the end Talking the 500 until the end with my man JL on the 500 Talking the 500 until the end.
Josh Adam Myers
That is Satisfaction by the Rolling Stones from the 1965 album out of Our Heads. It's also number 116 out of 500 on the 500 with me, Josh Adam Myers and I'm going to do my intro with Dark guest today, the one and only Wayus Federminus the third.
Wayne Fetterman
Thank you for using the Greek.
Josh Adam Myers
I was going to do it in Asian but actually that's not a language. Oh God. Keep that in. If you're not subscribed to the YouTube as usual, watch the show on YouTube. Go to YouTube.com the500podcast. You got many ways to watch it, but also subscribe to our Patreon to help support the show. We get to support Wayne and all of his endeavors, but most importantly you get to pay for Emily and Jeremiah and his different places that he lives. Patreon.com the 500 podcast and also I mentioned him earlier in the show. Our guest from episode 135, Melissa Offdemur. Her book Even the Good Girls will cry, a 90s rock memoir is coming out. Actually it's out now, but get a copy. It is incredible. And now today a man that's been on the show more than anybody really. The one and only Wayne Fetterman.
Wayne Fetterman
It's good to be here.
Josh Adam Myers
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Wayne Fetterman
Thank you, Chris.
Josh Adam Myers
Back in the Comedy Store studio. I have extended my trip in Los Angeles and I thought, what a better album to do. What about we. We said, well, let's aim for the top. Let's get fucking Brian Jones. He's dead.
Wayne Fetterman
He's in this house on this album.
Josh Adam Myers
I know he is.
Wayne Fetterman
Yeah.
Josh Adam Myers
And I said, who can we get that is available, ladies and gentlemen?
Wayne Fetterman
Top of the list of comics that
Josh Adam Myers
are available, bro, if I could. If I could put you on for every episode, I would. I'm telling you. And I'm. And to all the fleece army, I really think that when we end this list, you and I, we do like, I'll fly out and we can just stack episodes here and we do.
Wayne Fetterman
I like doing them. I do like this studio, especially because of Chris.
Josh Adam Myers
Chris has always been my favorite. Lee, you know, I like. I like fat Lee. Yeah, Skinny Lee. To go himself. He's got an ego now. He's getting all the time.
Wayne Fetterman
Chris is good.
Josh Adam Myers
Chris is great. He is a holocaust denier, though.
Wayne Fetterman
But he is.
Josh Adam Myers
He makes. He makes good points.
Wayne Fetterman
Are you a flat earther also? Because usually those go hand in hand, right? No, no, they don't.
Josh Adam Myers
No, flat earth. Flat earth goes with the moon landing. Didn't happen. Holocaust denier goes with Jews control
Wayne Fetterman
banks. The media keep going.
Josh Adam Myers
NBA sports, Hollywood, war in Iran. We control. We control everything. Yah maha Mahalayam. Where you got shit and you are crying naka Liam. And then. Yeah, I. I just. It really is better to do this at the studio with you because I
Wayne Fetterman
like face to face so much better than. And most of them. We have done the first ones. We did face to face in your old apartment. I just want to reminisce a little bit. You remember that place?
Josh Adam Myers
God, dude, Doing Steve Miller band with you. My old apartment where I had enemies on all sides.
Wayne Fetterman
Yeah, because they got to know you.
Josh Adam Myers
No, I had an I with the roasting.
Wayne Fetterman
Roast battle is upstairs.
Josh Adam Myers
I think I'm doing one of the judges tonight. I. I just. Yeah, I know I'm a lot. But dude, I. Paula downstairs. Like, dude, here's the funny thing. My cousin, he had a friend that lived because I told Him I moved into 2033 North Beachwood, and this is one of his buddies goes, wait, what apartment? You. And I'm like, I'm in 20. And he goes, dude, I used to live in that apartment. I go, no, bullshit. He goes, dude, does Paula still live below you? And I go, yeah. He goes, dude, she was horrible. So when she started, I gave her my number when I first moved in, because it was like the apartment of my dreams. Like, I had gone from, like, living in, like, Little Armenia, you know, as a drug addict, cleaned up, and then I was like, all right, I am. I am in. Let's rock. I've got the greatest apartment. I gave her my number. She lives below me. I said, if there's any issues I'm ever allowed, I'm not going to be, but if there is, text me. And it started that night, and it continued and continued until the point where the management said, paul is complaining about you. But don't worry. Don't listen to her. She complained about everybody. There was a guy that died.
Wayne Fetterman
Paula.
Josh Adam Myers
Paula. A dude. Oh, I hated her. She ratted me out the night that I moved out. She told the management that I had moved out without telling him. I didn't put a notice in.
Wayne Fetterman
Oh, I see.
Josh Adam Myers
Yeah, I was.
Wayne Fetterman
You did something wrong?
Josh Adam Myers
No, he said I fled in the night, though, which I loved. The email he sent me said the smells were undescribable. Not of this earth. And I was like, the dog. It was carpeted, and the dog had pooped on it a long time ago.
Wayne Fetterman
You don't get your.
Josh Adam Myers
Oh, no. I. I was gonna fix all the problems. And I was like, well, I'm not getting my deposit back.
Wayne Fetterman
Yeah.
Josh Adam Myers
Plus, why did I pay rent during COVID Right.
Wayne Fetterman
These are big questions.
Josh Adam Myers
If in California, I think they. They forgave everybody's.
Wayne Fetterman
They did forgive a lot of people.
Josh Adam Myers
Yeah. And I should have been one of them. But me, like a dummy, paid.
Wayne Fetterman
I was in my house.
Josh Adam Myers
You own a home.
Wayne Fetterman
Homeowner.
Josh Adam Myers
You better at this age. Dude, would you buy just a lot of gay sex and Bobby Blue Bland playing in the background, playing the show
Wayne Fetterman
tunes on the piano.
Josh Adam Myers
I'm going to come on my grigri.
Wayne Fetterman
Oh, my God.
Josh Adam Myers
Call back. Well, we're in it again.
Wayne Fetterman
Yeah, no, I. I bought right before COVID 19.
Josh Adam Myers
Really?
Wayne Fetterman
Yeah. I've rented my entire life.
Josh Adam Myers
I love that for you.
Wayne Fetterman
And then finally found something that I could move into. It took a long time. It might as in my 50s.
Josh Adam Myers
Really?
Wayne Fetterman
Yeah, I was in my. Yeah, late 50s, I think.
Josh Adam Myers
You're doing stand up for 50 years almost.
Wayne Fetterman
Well, yeah.
Josh Adam Myers
Did you start when you. Are you Emmanuel Lewis?
Wayne Fetterman
First of all, I'm older than you think I am.
Josh Adam Myers
No, I know you're not.
Wayne Fetterman
You look me up. Look me up.
Josh Adam Myers
Yeah, I've already got the whole page. Right.
Wayne Fetterman
Yeah.
Josh Adam Myers
I don't want to.
Wayne Fetterman
Let's go.
Josh Adam Myers
Yeah, let's dive into this. But before we. We do that, it was Oscar's weekend.
Wayne Fetterman
Yes.
Josh Adam Myers
Were you. Were you happy with one battle after another?
Wayne Fetterman
Yeah, I think that's. Again, I. Like I said about this season, I felt like there were a lot of really, really good movies. No. Great movies. I thought there was no. That was like, oh, One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest, Jaws. Nothing like that. But it was really good. And I'm very happy for the industry. I'm a movie buff much more than a television guy.
Josh Adam Myers
Yeah, me too.
Wayne Fetterman
You are.
Josh Adam Myers
Oh, I've always been a cinephile. I was. My dad was the reason I do the podcast, the reason I went to film school. Everything is me just trying to get my dad's approval.
Wayne Fetterman
Wow.
Josh Adam Myers
Yeah. So.
Wayne Fetterman
Because he loved films.
Josh Adam Myers
Loved. I mean, I saw Rebel Without a Cause at a young age. The reason the Mel Brooks thing is, dude, one of our first movies we watched was History of the World.
Wayne Fetterman
Yeah.
Josh Adam Myers
And. And I mean, I didn't understand 90% of the jokes because they were so adult. Like, you know, you know, with James Verapis. What's up, motherfucker? Like, I had no idea. And then as you get older. But my dad, Woody Allen and Rebel Without a Cause and the Godfather and blah, blah, blah, he was a guy that. He had the soundtrack for Clockwork Orange and I always used to look at it and play it. And then finally when I saw it, I was like, oh, this is the greatest movie. Dude. He took me. I saw Clockwork Orange, New Year's Eve, 1995. And then the next day, my dad took me to see Pulp Fiction. That was our thing. And I was like, oh, I want to do that fiction.
Wayne Fetterman
So. And dude, he outdid himself. He outdid himself.
Josh Adam Myers
Yeah. I mean, he's. He's never going to hit that again. I think Inglorious Bastards was great, but no Pulp Fiction. Yeah, it's the same thing with. With one battle after another. I think he should have gotten it for Boogie Nights. I think Boogie Nights is his best dude. How is that to be?
Wayne Fetterman
First of all, why are you yelling at me? I'm right here. I'm right. Chris is right there.
Josh Adam Myers
I got a lot of caffeine.
Wayne Fetterman
Okay. Just so I agree with you. I think Boogie Nights is his best movie.
Josh Adam Myers
I think. I think There Will Be Blood is. It's like a better film. But Boogie Nights is more enjoyable. It's a more fun watch. It's like alien aliens.
Wayne Fetterman
I love Boogie Nights.
Josh Adam Myers
And. And it was.
Wayne Fetterman
I love. There's also a movie he did called Magnolia out the valley of San Fernando.
Josh Adam Myers
You wanna. You wanna go into the Amy man. John Bryan. I think the best scene is when they did they all sing in their car. Wait, no. With Tom. No. They're all singing in their perspective areas of their lives. And it's just. Just to be in the middle of the movie. Incredible. It was brilliant.
Wayne Fetterman
Ridiculous.
Josh Adam Myers
He should have. Dude. 14 nominations and finally winning. Do you feel like they.
JM
Him.
Josh Adam Myers
Because like Allah the Departed, sometimes you
Wayne Fetterman
do get a career achievement situation and that might have been part of it. But I. I thought that movie was good. One battle after another.
Josh Adam Myers
You hated Hamnet.
Wayne Fetterman
Let's not get into it.
Josh Adam Myers
Dude.
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Josh Adam Myers
You said that lady is so unbelievable. That scream. When she finds out her son dies. Good God. Come on it.
Wayne Fetterman
Describe that movie as a grief porn. Am I wrong? Am I wrong?
Josh Adam Myers
I wept harder. The only movie that I cried harder at this year was F1.
Wayne Fetterman
I knew you were gonna do a zag.
Josh Adam Myers
Zagging your zag. You come around here and you're having a skag. Everybody. How many people listen to the. To the UK version of the album we're doing today?
Wayne Fetterman
Yeah, we're. I apologize for that. There's any listeners out there. And I understand that. But this. The only reason I feel like the USA version is superior is that's the album that was in the stores when I was a kid. That's the album I saw that's Has Satisfaction, which is the song. The song that made the band. That is the song.
Josh Adam Myers
Yeah. This is the.
Wayne Fetterman
Not time is on my side. All of those are great songs.
Josh Adam Myers
This is the moment.
Wayne Fetterman
This is the moment from all the
Josh Adam Myers
reasons the Stones stop being those British kids doing American blues karaoke and turned into a band that your parents warned you about. About.
Wayne Fetterman
They were the bad boys. Yeah.
Josh Adam Myers
Which is why were they the bad boys?
Wayne Fetterman
I'll tell you.
Josh Adam Myers
Please.
Wayne Fetterman
Because the Beatles had just hit and they. Their manager was thinking like, we need. Like we don't need another Beatles. We don't need another band that. You know. The Beatles for all their live performances after Ed Sal always wore the same outfit. Always wore the same outfit. Just think about that as a band. And they were like we're not going to do that. We're going to be a little edgier. We're going to be a little more rebeller. More rebel.
Josh Adam Myers
Rebeller.
Wayne Fetterman
I don't know what. Rebel.
Josh Adam Myers
Black Betty. Raveler. Hey, Bob.
Wayne Fetterman
And. Yeah, so that's why they. So that's. That was the band. They were. They marketed. And they also had a very. Where the Beatles had the girls, Stones had the boys.
Josh Adam Myers
Yeah.
Wayne Fetterman
If you especially. I saw this documentary called 25 by 5, which was 25 years of them together by the five guys. And they really, really, like, emphasized the boy part of it. So they. They had a lot of guys, a lot of like, kind of near riots in their show, all of that. Very edgy.
Josh Adam Myers
So if the Beatles. So the Beatles would have been.
Wayne Fetterman
The Beatles had screaming. Look, the Stones have screaming girls also. Don't get me wrong, if you look at the Tammy show, which they did in 64, I mean, there's girls screaming. So it's not just. But at the beginning, they were definitely like, guys were just with a lot of tests, young men.
Josh Adam Myers
But also also the Stones, where the Beatles, you know, the Going to the Maharishi and doing the, you know, existential. They always had a very. Namaste thing about them and the war. You know, Paul being vegan or vegetarian. The. The Stones always had an edge to him. Always.
Wayne Fetterman
And to their music. And the sound of their music was very grittier. It was raw. Her then certainly she loves you or. I want to hold your hand I
Josh Adam Myers
can't get no satisfaction it's about to me.
Wayne Fetterman
What?
Josh Adam Myers
Let me write this.
Wayne Fetterman
I didn't know. I. Hold on.
Josh Adam Myers
Write it down.
Wayne Fetterman
Wait a minute.
Josh Adam Myers
Hold on for a second.
Wayne Fetterman
Wait a minute.
Josh Adam Myers
You're telling me Mick Jagger with the library, member one of those deep sea fish. He has deep sea fish mouth. You know those fish that, like, you see on the bottom of the deep sea that have a light on for some reason, which is so crazy. What do they got to see down there? It's like not even kelp.
Wayne Fetterman
I don't know. But, yeah, he was definitely. There was an old Richard Belzer routine about that. Do you know Richard Belzer?
Josh Adam Myers
I do. Oh, my God. From. I. I told my old managers I wanted his career. I wanted to have like a very comedic career and then end up being on like, Homicide. Life on the street.
Wayne Fetterman
I mean, come on. How he crushed it.
Josh Adam Myers
I would be a very good detective.
Wayne Fetterman
I just saw him in the movie Fame. I don't know if you know that
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I'm gonna live forever.
Wayne Fetterman
Yeah. She Passed away.
Josh Adam Myers
Really?
Wayne Fetterman
I ring Cara. Yeah.
Josh Adam Myers
Oh, wow. I didn't know that. I thought that was the girl that keeps getting nominated for Oscars and never wins.
Wayne Fetterman
No, that's Diane Warren.
JM
Oh.
Josh Adam Myers
And surprisingly, I didn't know Diane Warren was white. Oh, she was a black chick.
Wayne Fetterman
Oh, really?
Josh Adam Myers
I thought Carol King was Chinese. Is that funny? If you guys send anybody that's Photoshop out there, send us some pictures of Carol King wearing a geisha.
Wayne Fetterman
Don't do it.
Josh Adam Myers
Come on. Culturally appropriate.
Wayne Fetterman
Do not have her eating sushi. And you're at.
Josh Adam Myers
Now you're giving them ideas. Wayne, I already told him that Satisfaction is about sex. That's what I think I loved about this record.
Wayne Fetterman
No, but yeah. Was just like, if this guy can't get Satisfaction, what chances do I have? He's a ruck, he's a rock star.
Josh Adam Myers
And arguably.
Wayne Fetterman
And he can't get Satisfaction.
Josh Adam Myers
And Mick. Arguably, Mick has that look, you know, and. Young man, if we could pull a picture up of young Mick. Can we pull a picture up of the band when this album came out? Because they're. Mick is like, you're. You know that guy that did Bittersweet Symphony, Richard Ashcroft, He's. You know, it's a bittersweet. Which I just saw him three times in England opening up for Oasis.
JM
He.
Josh Adam Myers
Dude, he has a face. It's just so interesting looking. Which you wouldn't be like, oh, this guy's super. He's not ugly. But Mick has that thing where it's like, he is so sexy. I mean, like, look at him.
Wayne Fetterman
Yeah, I mean, he was. This is. Mick Jagger is a perfect example of, you don't have to be a great singer to be a rock star, but you need to look great and have incredible attitude and he has it in spades. That's not a racial thing. That's just an expression. I know we did. I know we played blues music.
Josh Adam Myers
By the way, guys, Wayne Ferman likes you all derogatory slang from the 50s. He's like, listen up, Jack.
Wayne Fetterman
So, yeah, he was. That look. He was extremely. And there was another. You know, there's another member of this band we talked about on the last one. Who? Their piano player, Nikki Hopkins.
Josh Adam Myers
Who?
Wayne Fetterman
They were like, we can't have six people in the picture. Their manager was like, only five. So you got to get out.
Josh Adam Myers
Oh, off. Really?
Wayne Fetterman
Yeah. You can play with us on the road and you can be like a road manager, but you can't be in the band anymore.
Josh Adam Myers
Look at Brian Jones hair, man. That is a helmet of. I Mean, they're so fashionable.
Wayne Fetterman
I just. Anyway, there was a big. There was a little bit when I was a kid divide between Beetle fans and Rolling Stones.
Josh Adam Myers
I always. I always thought I. I knew that that was a real thing. But. But realistically, because I had a very similar thing in my high school where I had. We had Nirvana fans and then we had Pearl Jam. Yeah. I remember we. Jacob. I forget his last name. Jacob. He loved Pearl Jam, where, like, all the guys I was in a band would love Nirvana. And I was like, I'm Stone Temple Pilots. Like, all right.
Wayne Fetterman
Because you like.
Josh Adam Myers
I love heroin. Yeah. You know I love heroin. And I knew I was gonna. And I was like, I want to be like. Well, I just thought Scott Weiland had a voice that's.
Wayne Fetterman
He just.
Josh Adam Myers
He had a. He had the swagger and had a thing and that. We've talked about this on the podcast. You do not. I still get on. They're like, I don't want to listen to a podcast where the guy's best album is. Is Core by stp. It's not my best. Take a guess what it is now. Is it Lux by Rosalia? It might be. Have you heard that yet? It's one of the best records I've heard in. In the last five years, including doing this podcast. This chick is Lux. Lux by Rosalia. She sings it in 15 different languages. L, U, X, L, U. I'll send you it.
Wayne Fetterman
Okay.
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Wayne Fetterman
I'll listen to. I like music, dude.
Josh Adam Myers
It's. It's.
Wayne Fetterman
Don't.
Josh Adam Myers
It's, you know, don't pull. You don't. You can pull it up if you want it. It's so good.
Wayne Fetterman
Okay.
Josh Adam Myers
I've talked about it.
Wayne Fetterman
This is. You like it as opposed to just declaring it.
Josh Adam Myers
I. I listened to it because it kept getting all the acclaim.
Wayne Fetterman
Yeah.
Josh Adam Myers
And the second I put it on, I was like, oh, my God.
Wayne Fetterman
Like, did it win Grammy?
Josh Adam Myers
No, it's next year.
Wayne Fetterman
Oh, it's. I would be Best New Artist or.
Josh Adam Myers
No, I don't think Best new. I think she'll be not. I think she'll be definitely nominated for album of the year. I think Bergain or Bergon. That. There's the Rave club. She's a song about the Rave Club in Berlin with Bjork, and it's. Dude, she sings opera.
Wayne Fetterman
I can't wait. I can't wait.
Josh Adam Myers
So I'm not gonna tell you anymore.
Wayne Fetterman
No, I like your. For the most part. I like your taste. It's your voice. That's annoying.
Josh Adam Myers
But what are you Talking about Wayne. I'm your. I'm your what? Is that what they call it? That like your sleep paralysis demon? Just me being like, wait, I need you to do the podcast. You're this week. I can't. So wait, are you. So how did this. All right. Okay. No, we didn't answer that. So what when it comes to the Beatles versus the Stones, like, and the fandom, was it like you can't like both or was it.
Wayne Fetterman
There was a little bit of split when I was a kid and still to this day there's, you know, especially what happened in 1969. The Beatles break up in 1969 and the Stones start going on these, you know, they play Altamont and they play. Start playing these big concerts and they self declare themselves the greatest rock and roll band in the world.
Josh Adam Myers
Ooh.
Wayne Fetterman
That is their thing.
Josh Adam Myers
Did it help them?
Wayne Fetterman
I think it helped them. I mean, this early 70s is like peak Stones, like you would think they would be done after Time is On My side and Paint It Black and all of these things. And then suddenly it's Brown Sugar, Jumping Jack Flash and all of these, you know, start me up. I mean, it's just. They never stop.
Josh Adam Myers
Angela was the one that turned me on to like, you know, Sucker Blues.
Wayne Fetterman
Yeah.
Josh Adam Myers
And Exile, I think.
Wayne Fetterman
I think Sticky Finger.
Josh Adam Myers
I mean, Sweet Virginia is a song I wanted to do at the gym. I remember the first time I listened to that while I was an open micr.
Wayne Fetterman
Still.
Josh Adam Myers
I think I listened to it like a thousand times over and over.
Wayne Fetterman
And what's amazing about this album, this album is the transition album.
Josh Adam Myers
How did the band go from stealing Muddy Waters riffs to inventing swagger itself?
Wayne Fetterman
It's one of the great mysteries that they were that good of songwriters together. The Jagger and what's the other guy's name? Keith Richards. These two guys wrote so many hooky, great, swampy, bluesy R B, but guitar based, sort of created. Had the first like huge riff song, which is Satisfaction, which you listen to any Led Zeppelin songs. A Whole Lot of Love. They're all riff songs. There's all like a guitar riff that repeats over and over and again. Even the Beatles were inspired by that song. With their song. It's the great mystery that these two guys, middle class kids, these aren't poor kids, were this good at songwriting. That's. That's to me, the story of the Rolling Stone as. As well as, like you said, the swagger, the look, I mean, and they have one of the great frontmen who's doing in my Opinion. Sort of an impression of Tina Turner. Oh, yeah, it seemed like a Tina Turner type moves and everything.
Josh Adam Myers
Yeah, it's also, it's got a little, it's, it's a little Elvisy. I mean, it's. But he's, he's very like, yeah, yeah. By the way, give him the credit that he deserves. Like, yes, but, but no, Mick, I do. We just. I saw him fight. I saw them finally like two years ago. And I mean, for an 82 year old guy is putting on like, dude, my mom couldn't have done that at 40.
Wayne Fetterman
Oh no, no. But he runs.
Josh Adam Myers
Oh, but he's probably on a million peptides to kill a tortoise. But I mean he is, he is just. Dude, it was, it was incredible. I did feel that Keith there was like. When he did the beginning to start me up, I was like, it's a little sloppy. I think he's getting. His fingers are tightening up a little bit. Don't take me. You know, don't tell him I said that. But you know.
Wayne Fetterman
Yeah. So he couldn't get started. That's the irony.
Josh Adam Myers
He was up though.
Wayne Fetterman
He was like, please wine.
Josh Adam Myers
He's like, I'm up.
Wayne Fetterman
Look, and look. Two of the, you know, one band member dies, his replacement is long gone. I think that guy is still alive. I think Mick Taylor is still alive. And then obviously Ronnie Wood took over from McTaylor. And then Wyman is dead. Right? Charlie Watts is dead.
Josh Adam Myers
Yeah. I mean, God, what about Andrew Luke?
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Wayne Fetterman
You're talking about their manager?
Josh Adam Myers
Their manager, yeah.
Wayne Fetterman
And producer of those early albums.
Josh Adam Myers
Yeah. This is Hill.
Wayne Fetterman
Alan Klein took over. So this is, this is, this is another reason. In my opinion, this is like a little deep dive. They lucked out in that this guy, Dick Rowe, I think is his name, he was the A and R guy at deca Records and turned down the Beatles.
Josh Adam Myers
Dick Rowe sounds like a, like a way to talk about sperm.
Wayne Fetterman
Like, oh, my dick. Yeah.
Josh Adam Myers
And then deca.
Wayne Fetterman
So this guy was humiliated. Obviously. Beatlemania hits and then he luckily not only signs through this manager. You just mentioned the Rolling Stones. But the Rolling Stones get a great deal. They get. Here's what they get. They don't have to record at deca Studios. They can record wherever they want. They can record in and in Chicago at Chess, you know, they can record in LA at rca, which is where they dissatisfaction. They can record in region studio, which was this mono studio that was like shitty. But they love the way the band sounded in that. And they weren't like The Beatles were like, we're on a three hour. We're in the corporate room. There's the guys in the white coats up in Studio 2 and Abbey Road.
Josh Adam Myers
Oh, I've been there.
Wayne Fetterman
Yeah.
Josh Adam Myers
Pictures. I sent you stuff.
Wayne Fetterman
Yeah, I know.
Josh Adam Myers
And I went to that. I was in that room. It's. It's such a giant room.
Wayne Fetterman
Yeah.
Josh Adam Myers
And it definitely feels disconnected if like George is up there and the Beatles are down there. Yeah. I mean, I know. Yeah. Not. Not Harrison, because like Harrison be down there chilling, you know.
Wayne Fetterman
Yeah. No, but the Rolling Stones were different. Like they were in the. In the room kind of band. Not a lot of overdubs. Not a lot of like, oh, we're doing this. Boy. We're thinking great three part harmonies or anything like that. So I feel like they were lucky in that. Mr. Rowe with egg on his face, which means he's embarrassed. That's an old timey term. Egg on your face.
Josh Adam Myers
Really?
Wayne Fetterman
Yeah.
Josh Adam Myers
I'll write that one down.
Wayne Fetterman
Write it down, write it down. Egg on your face. Luckily, signs the Rolling Stones. I mean, think about it. If he had turned them down as well. I know, I know, I know, but. And also there's a bigger cultural thing that's happening at this time, which is called the British Invasion.
Josh Adam Myers
Yes. Which is what? The Hollies,
Wayne Fetterman
the Kings, the Beatles, the
Josh Adam Myers
Stones, Harry and Not Harry.
Wayne Fetterman
The Animals. The Animals. Herman's Hermits.
Josh Adam Myers
That's it. I wish I got the mix up with that movie with John Lithgow. Harry and the Henderson. I'm telling you now.
Wayne Fetterman
Yeah. One of the few bands that sang with an English accent that, by the
Josh Adam Myers
way, you know, we've had Peter Asher on the podcast twice.
Wayne Fetterman
Twice.
Josh Adam Myers
Twice. He hated me the first time. And then we had him back to do Linda Ronstadt. Oh, yeah, dude. I mean, amazing career. He came to my house. Yeah. Came around.
Wayne Fetterman
You know his sister used to date Paul. Yeah.
Josh Adam Myers
Yep.
Wayne Fetterman
He was in the house when the. Paul was upstairs learning, oh my God,
Josh Adam Myers
you know, Is his cousin dated Gaddafi.
Wayne Fetterman
Muammar Gaddafi from Libya.
Josh Adam Myers
I call him Mo. You think they called him Momo? Momo. Hey, Momo.
Wayne Fetterman
Momo.
Josh Adam Myers
Momo. Gaddafi. That's a great band name, dude.
Wayne Fetterman
So anyway, it's more than just those bands is my point about the British Invasion. It's also. Don't forget in 1963, best picture winner. Your dad would know you're.
Josh Adam Myers
Don't tell me, don't tell me, don't tell me, don't tell me. I'm gonna guess. You're gonna get it 63 of the graduate. No, no. God damn it. No.
Wayne Fetterman
What?
Josh Adam Myers
Is it the one.
Wayne Fetterman
Is it.
Josh Adam Myers
Is this pretty?
Wayne Fetterman
While the Graduate didn't win Best Picture,
Josh Adam Myers
but I know it didn't. You're right. No, you're right. It's not out of Africa. That was in the 80s. It's definitely not the last emperor. That's the 80s. It's not. Is it the one that. That the guy up on the movie Quiz Show?
Wayne Fetterman
No, that's Marty.
Josh Adam Myers
That's Marty.
Wayne Fetterman
That's a good. That's funny that you would know that.
Josh Adam Myers
I think that was the best movie that year, but I don't. I understand that it was the best movie. It wasn't as culturally moving. It wasn't as culturally significant as Shawshank or Pulp Fiction or Forrest Gump. Should not have won Best Picture that year. Why?
Wayne Fetterman
This is a lot of Oscar talk.
Josh Adam Myers
I know. I'm sorry.
Wayne Fetterman
Oscar talk on Valentine's Day. Are we allowed to say that?
Josh Adam Myers
Is it Valentine's Day?
Wayne Fetterman
Are we allowed to say that you're wearing green? Yeah.
Josh Adam Myers
Loon.
Wayne Fetterman
That's why I'm.
Josh Adam Myers
That's what you wear on Valentine's Day. Come on. Come on. Question, though.
Wayne Fetterman
Yeah.
Josh Adam Myers
So why. Why is the. Because you were saying. Yeah. Wait, you didn't finish your point. I'm all over the place. Finish your point about the movie that won't. In 16.
Wayne Fetterman
Tom Jones from a British move. Do you know that movie?
Josh Adam Myers
I do, yeah.
Wayne Fetterman
It's. It's hard to watch.
Josh Adam Myers
Michael Kane.
Wayne Fetterman
No, no, no. But it doesn't matter.
Josh Adam Myers
Albert Finney.
Wayne Fetterman
But. Yeah, yeah, but there is. But the whole point of it is that My Fair lady, which was about.
Josh Adam Myers
Made British culture popular and there was
Wayne Fetterman
a comedy element to it also.
Josh Adam Myers
Sure.
Wayne Fetterman
Do you know what I'm talking about?
Josh Adam Myers
Of course.
Wayne Fetterman
Who?
Josh Adam Myers
John Cleese.
Wayne Fetterman
Now, closest guy. He was inspired by these guys. It was called beyond the Fit. The Fringe. Beyond the Fringe started the West End. It's with Peter Cook. You know him from Taz, of course. All of that. And Dudley Moore. I mean. Excuse me, Dudley Moore. Peter Cook. Dudley Moore was in that movie. So it was those guys and they had a big hit show in London, came to Broadway. It was so. There was like America was becoming. Because we were so dominant culturally throughout the world, starting post war. Because don't forget we didn't have to recover from a war.
Josh Adam Myers
Yeah, we did get touched. Well, Hawaii did. But.
Wayne Fetterman
Yeah, but I mean, the mainland did not get touched. And Britain was just.
Josh Adam Myers
I mean, devastated. London's gone.
Wayne Fetterman
Devastated. Hamburg, devastated. So they. So our Culture, sort of. That's why people are into these blues records. That's why people are in England or, you know, are into our culture, into blue jeans, into Cadillacs, into four, which is all cool.
Josh Adam Myers
But that's the thing.
Wayne Fetterman
Finally.
Josh Adam Myers
Yeah. Because I was about to say, it's like, why did they. Because what made them say, hey, man, let's stop entertaining America and let's be. Let's. Let's outdo America?
Wayne Fetterman
Well, they look. I mean, there's no better example than what we're talking about than the Rolling Stones. They wanted to be Muddy Waters and Highland Wolf.
Josh Adam Myers
Funny thing. They recorded this record, though, in America.
Wayne Fetterman
They did, yeah.
Josh Adam Myers
Chicago at Chess Records and in Hollywood at rca.
Wayne Fetterman
Yeah, this is what I'm talking about. So it'. This. This was what was genius about their deal with deca that they could do that and, like, oh, we're inspired by Want to write a stone? Let's go in studio today and lay down Satisfaction. That. By the way, that riff came to him in a dream. No, in a dream.
Josh Adam Myers
Do you think he. Do you think he woke up with a little bit of dick row in his pants? Call back call. That was a good joke, too. That was.
Wayne Fetterman
Guys, I love that you not only categorize the joke, but judge it also afterwards.
Josh Adam Myers
You've never done that. You never do that when you're in
Wayne Fetterman
a audience, when you're like.
Josh Adam Myers
You're boxing out Kevin Nealon and you say something funny and you're like, hey, you know, you ever get some dick row in your pants? Oh, you didn't know about the podcast?
Wayne Fetterman
All right, let me put it on the glass. Let me just.
Josh Adam Myers
Yeah, look at your.
Wayne Fetterman
It is dick row.
Josh Adam Myers
I just.
Wayne Fetterman
I wanted to make sure I said that. But anyway, it's St. Patrick's Day, is what I meant to say. Say, this couldn't be a better example of a band. And the Beatles. Same way. I mean, the Beatles were all listening to R B song Little Richard coming out of Megan, Georgia. All of these great American sounds that they were mesmerized by, reinterpreted it, sent it back to us, and we just went crazy. And by the way, there was a couple English artists that came over before, didn't do well at all.
Josh Adam Myers
Like who?
Wayne Fetterman
I think there was a guy named. I'm going to get his name wrong. Frank Ifeld. And there was another. And what do you call it? Came a. Cliff Richard, came over, didn't do anything. You know, in the shadows. He didn't do anything. Everyone was like, we're not interested Next thing you know, I'm not going to say they're marginal, but like, not great music, not great acts. Like Herman's Hermits suddenly went nuts. They made a movie with the Herman. Oh, Dave Clark 5, same thing.
Josh Adam Myers
Herman's. Herman's made a movie.
Wayne Fetterman
Oh, yeah.
Josh Adam Myers
It wasn't like any. I mean, Hard Days Night.
Wayne Fetterman
It was all in the wake of that. As soon as that happened, every band had like a freaking movie.
Josh Adam Myers
And I think that is what's cool about the Stones, is that while everybody tried to imitate the Beatles. Stones. We're doing our own thing.
Wayne Fetterman
We're doing our own thing.
Josh Adam Myers
I mean, the Kinks were kind of too. Yeah, but they, they. But they got screwed because of the. The. The. I know it. It's. They couldn't come over the. What do you have to do? Mainly push ups.
Wayne Fetterman
How to do push ups?
Josh Adam Myers
Yeah. What do you call it? You get a pass. Not pass, pull ups.
Wayne Fetterman
A visa.
Josh Adam Myers
Visa. Thank you, Chris.
Wayne Fetterman
Thank you, Chris. That's why we love this guy.
Josh Adam Myers
Chris rules, man.
Wayne Fetterman
They couldn't get a visa for the Kinks.
Josh Adam Myers
Isn't that true?
Wayne Fetterman
I don't know.
Josh Adam Myers
Yeah. Oh, we talked about this on the butt. They got in. They got in. Immigration problems. I think it was like. I think I. It was the Brothers something. Yeah, I think. I'm pretty sure. And they had to stay in England. That's why they didn't pop as big in America.
Wayne Fetterman
It's a good question. What. What was the, like, the break besides, you know, the Beatles, like, what really made it be like, oh, we're into English. Maybe it was just. It was time, you know, we were. We were great allies in the war and it took a while for that country to recover. They got bombed out.
Josh Adam Myers
They really did get up, dude. They really did, man.
Wayne Fetterman
Those German planes.
Josh Adam Myers
Yeah, man, dude, the Nazis.
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Josh Adam Myers
They really had a good thing going, you know what I mean?
Wayne Fetterman
Creek, I mean, dude, not bop, just plain old blitz creek.
Josh Adam Myers
Just, just, just bobbing all over Europe.
Wayne Fetterman
And also, as great as the Beatles are, I do feel like the Stones are a little more proto punk rock.
Josh Adam Myers
Oh, without, Without a doubt.
Wayne Fetterman
Okay.
Josh Adam Myers
I mean, even some of the songs on this record, I mean, Satisfaction, I mean, is just. Man, it is. Because it's so funny. Like if I. I actually listened to both. I did by accident.
Wayne Fetterman
Okay.
Josh Adam Myers
You know, and one of them has like totally different songs on it. I mean, it's so odd. Why did they do that? Why did they do, you know why they did the two different versions?
Wayne Fetterman
Yeah. Because they're trying to. They're. They want in America to be it. To be a little more pop sensibility as opposed to Blue Sensibility because they were. They're fighting against the Beatles. And I remember when Satisfaction came out in the summer of 65, like that song was on Killer on the Radio. And I know how to John. It's like. I feel like that is the most Jaggery Mick Jagger can get.
Josh Adam Myers
Oh, yeah.
Wayne Fetterman
And the vocals on that, it's so hypnotic. He's beyond great on that song.
Josh Adam Myers
I also love.
Wayne Fetterman
He's beyond great on the end. I love the drum. I like the, the when the band pulls out and the. The drummer keeps, you know, Charlie Watts keeps the beat going and it's just, it's wild.
Josh Adam Myers
So how many songs, how many hits did they have before Satisfaction now?
Wayne Fetterman
No number one hits, nothing like that. I think they had Time is on My side. And I mean, I wrote it down, but there was another one they, they had. And Can't Fade Away maybe I think Can't Fade Away charted, but they were fine. They were. Look, they were doing good. They were over here. They played Ed Sullivan show like the Beatles did. They were on the Hollywood Palace. They did the Tammy Show. I mean, they were. They were a band. But then Satisfaction was like rocket, Rocket fuel.
Josh Adam Myers
It's dirtier. It's, it's. It's everything the Beatles weren't, man. It's like, like, just like dirty, sexual, rebellious, you know. They're not dick riding the Beatles anymore.
Wayne Fetterman
They're not dick row riding.
Josh Adam Myers
They're not dig row. We're not cute. We're frustrated, we're horny, we're annoyed. You know what I mean?
Wayne Fetterman
Yeah, yeah. Rebel.
Josh Adam Myers
Rebel dude. Yeah. Stayed there for four weeks. Huge hit in number one in America.
Wayne Fetterman
And they were, There was. They were something Raw about them. They weren't.
Josh Adam Myers
No other band was doing that. Was that. Was that, like, in America? Was there, like. Like, who was.
Wayne Fetterman
Well, I mean, you know, there was that song Louie Louie, before that by that garage band, the Trogs, I believe they were called. So there was bands. Don't you. You know that song, right? Louie Louie.
Josh Adam Myers
Yeah. Come on, dude.
Wayne Fetterman
Yeah, so there was that kind of stuff, but I don't. The whole package just worked and they just. And then that album after album, especially when they hit the seven after Brian Jones, everyone thought, is this the end? They get Mick Taylor, and a lot of people think Mick Taylor. That is the peak of that band. When they're, you know, street Fighting man and all of. I mean, it's just. Wow. You know, they did try to do a hippie dippy album, that one, My Majesty.
Josh Adam Myers
That's like their sergeant Pepper, right? We've got some good songs on it.
Wayne Fetterman
It's not great.
Josh Adam Myers
No, it's not great, but it's not terrible. You know what I mean? There's. She got Color Everywhere. The sun, Pubes are in my hair, it's Cheeseball McGee. But it's still good. I mean, everybody's got to have a psychedelic record. I mean. No, they don't do the who did. I just did the who sell out, which is coming out next week, and really, I. No. Was it. Yeah. Oh, I just. That. But that's the funny thing is, like. Because I was like, what were. If the. If the Stones were the. So if the Beatles are the good guys, but also, like, in. You know, the world loves it. She loves you. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Wayne Fetterman
I want to hold your hand I
Josh Adam Myers
want to hold your hand. Yeah, but by 65, the Beatles. What are the Beatles doing at 65? What else?
Wayne Fetterman
Well, they. That's Help. That's the movie Help. So it's a little more introspective yesterday.
Josh Adam Myers
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Wayne Fetterman
They're like, you know.
Josh Adam Myers
And the King. Scott, you really got me. Right. That's already come out at this point, very aggressive. But the who, though. Why aren't the who. I mean, shouldn't. The who. Because there's. Their shows are crazy, right? And, like, aren't people like. They're the bad boys. Was there like a. Was there like a.
Wayne Fetterman
Well, yeah, there was a big. Like. Again, I don't know if you know the Whose mythology, but there was a. There was a divide in England between what they got the mods and the rockers.
Josh Adam Myers
Yeah, I do know that.
Wayne Fetterman
Yeah. So.
Josh Adam Myers
And why was there. Why was there a Divide, though I knew of it. But why was there just kids?
Wayne Fetterman
Just. It's like you in high school with Pearl Jam and all of that and.
Josh Adam Myers
But it's like the same music and just a style of clothes. Mod is more like.
Wayne Fetterman
Oh, no, Mod would. Yeah, Mod was much more. Yeah. Rockers were more the Rolling Stones, I would say. And Mod was much more the who.
Josh Adam Myers
Interesting. Okay.
Wayne Fetterman
And then do you remember Ringo's famous line from Hard Day's Night?
Josh Adam Myers
It's been so long.
Wayne Fetterman
They said, are you a mod or a rocker? Goes, I'm a mocker. Perfect.
Josh Adam Myers
He wrote that, too. I bet the guy kills it. Yeah, dude, he's. He didn't write Octopus's Garden. Come on, dude.
JM
He did.
Wayne Fetterman
Yes.
Josh Adam Myers
That does sound like a Ringo song.
Wayne Fetterman
Ridiculous.
Josh Adam Myers
I'd like to be so. So America. What's so. Besides the British Invasion?
Wayne Fetterman
Yeah.
Josh Adam Myers
So the.
Wayne Fetterman
So it's music, but it's culture. It's movies, it's Broadway. It's more than just the Beatles. It's like. It's a whole wave that's. That's happened. And then in fashion in the mid-60s. You're into fashion, right?
Josh Adam Myers
Love it.
Wayne Fetterman
Yeah.
Josh Adam Myers
Can't you tell?
Wayne Fetterman
Yeah, of course. But I know you spent.
Josh Adam Myers
I was there when you bought those shoes.
Wayne Fetterman
600 on a T shirt. Hey, is that right?
Josh Adam Myers
I have. It's worth 800 now. Of course, to some people. To other people, it's a jizz rag.
Wayne Fetterman
Guess what? It just has to be for two people want that T shirt. Yep. That's all. That's what it's worth.
Josh Adam Myers
Isn't that crazy? When you're. What? You're the other guy. I want that guy's thing.
Wayne Fetterman
Suddenly I'm pushing up the price.
Josh Adam Myers
You know what I mean? Like, why is this guy. I'm the other guy.
Wayne Fetterman
That's all it takes. Two people have won it.
Josh Adam Myers
That's true. That's so sad, man. It's just. You only. Can you really buckle.
Wayne Fetterman
I know, I know.
Josh Adam Myers
I remember I bought a Milli Vanilli T shirt for like 60 bucks at this vintage store. And the woman was like. I was like, I can't believe you're selling this for 60 bucks. She goes, why? I go, because it's worth 300. And she goes. Makes you think that it's like. Because that's what I would have paid for it.
Wayne Fetterman
Right.
Josh Adam Myers
You dummy. My credit card got declined. No, I'm kidding. Yeah, I got it. Thank God. Love that shirt. So in America.
Wayne Fetterman
Yeah.
Josh Adam Myers
James Brown, right? Oh, my God, he's coming out. Aretha Franklin, Marvin Gaye, Supremes.
Wayne Fetterman
Yeah. I mean don't forget Motown also was very big at this time. So there's. Look, this is an explosion of music that literally is leaving my guys, which, you know, I love the crooners, I love Sinatra, Dean Martin, all of those. Leaving these guys in the wake. Like youth culture is just swamping. What would the big band era or what's left of the big band singers or any of those guys just swamping them with these great voices and these. I'm sure people would looking at Mick Jagger and like you gotta be sing. He can't really sing. Yeah, it's like, no, he can't sing in your style. Although you know they do do a great cover earlier of Route 66, which is a 40s song. 40s, like kind of swingy song that Nat can go got famous to and that got famous famously recorded it. So I don't know, it was just a. Why like youth. It was. This is the baby boomers friggin taking over from the greatest generation. Just snatching it. Everything. Tv, movies. What did you say earlier? That. That movie Marty. No, not Marty. The Graduates.
Josh Adam Myers
Yeah.
Wayne Fetterman
Bonnie and Clyde.
Josh Adam Myers
You know, so much cool happening in. In culture at this time. I mean this is like. Dude. I mean this is such a. The. This is before the Vietnam War.
Wayne Fetterman
You know, it's during. Is it.
Josh Adam Myers
Is it other than the other. More is the 70s?
Wayne Fetterman
No, no, it starts in early 60s and then really starts to peak.
Josh Adam Myers
Okay.
Wayne Fetterman
Under LYNDON JOHNSON Around 66, 67. He escalated.
Josh Adam Myers
How long did it go on for?
Wayne Fetterman
Was it like until 74?
Josh Adam Myers
Oh wow. Yeah.
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Wayne Fetterman
It was really bad.
Josh Adam Myers
I didn't. That's terrible, man.
Wayne Fetterman
It was really bad. So there's that. There was.
Josh Adam Myers
Fingers crossed. Iran. Fingers crossed. We can beat it. We can beat it. I got. I got 400 on Kalshi that it beats via not more. That's a good laugh. That's. That's why we love Chris. Dude.
Wayne Fetterman
Chris.
Josh Adam Myers
Dude. Chris is making me feel like it's Seinfeld right now. Yeah.
Wayne Fetterman
So it was a real. This is a real. Besides the British invasion, there's also funk music and.
Josh Adam Myers
Yeah.
Wayne Fetterman
And the birth of like really big folk. The folk scene obviously.
Josh Adam Myers
Dylan's gone electric in 65 too.
Wayne Fetterman
Yeah. All of this. And then this is right before the psychedelic era, which we've talked about ad nauseam. Right. Too much. Too much.
Josh Adam Myers
Quicksilver messenger service, dude.
Wayne Fetterman
Why are they.
Josh Adam Myers
I mean, who knows? Mod movie. What was the one we just did the other one, The Moby Moby.
Wayne Fetterman
Grape.
Josh Adam Myers
I love Moby Grave. Chase you around with a goddamn hacksaw. Dude, we've done some together, dude.
Wayne Fetterman
It's fun.
Josh Adam Myers
Like, not just like. You can say, man, we've done some together. We've done some real literal of album. That's why it's so cool to bless you with a Rolling Stone.
Wayne Fetterman
My second Stones album. I just. But I really, I. Again, as someone who. I was just a kid when this was happening, but who lived through it, I just shocked how good the Stones got in the late 60s and early 70s with Mick Taylor and all of that. I just. It was so. And those concerts and then they just became the biggest. They were like the biggest touring band.
Josh Adam Myers
So. So my question is. Well, I guess it's not question.
Wayne Fetterman
The Beatles never toured.
Josh Adam Myers
I know that. No, it was crazy though. Were the Stone shows that crazy? I mean, they must have been.
Wayne Fetterman
Yeah, they were like two hour shows. This is not like the Beatles who did a half hour.
Josh Adam Myers
Did they really?
Wayne Fetterman
One half hour off?
Josh Adam Myers
Oh, man. Like two nickels for that concert at Shea Stadium. Yeah, no, somebody complained about that. I made five seconds.
Wayne Fetterman
And they were always part of her of a review.
Josh Adam Myers
It was like 2 cents for a goddamn beer.
Wayne Fetterman
Yeah, and he had to tip the guy. Another time.
Josh Adam Myers
Tip the guy. Have a cent.
Wayne Fetterman
Can you top this off?
Josh Adam Myers
This is two cents.
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Josh Adam Myers
This is two cents. It's like two days work. What are you doing now?
Wayne Fetterman
The Beatles, they all. Even that Chase Stadium footage, what they've restored on the Beatles, that looks, I mean, just incredible. Yeah, even that concert was. There was like five other bands that performed on them. Like old rock and roll reviews, like 50s style crazy. It wasn't really until Paul McCartney and wings that any of them did those long shows.
Josh Adam Myers
Paul's. I. Dude, I just. I've seen him live.
Wayne Fetterman
He's playing the Henry Vonda Theater. Did you see that?
Josh Adam Myers
When?
Wayne Fetterman
Two weeks.
Josh Adam Myers
I. I mean, dude, nothing's gonna top that Bowery show.
Wayne Fetterman
Yeah, it's like the Bowery.
Josh Adam Myers
No, no, dude, 300 people. Yeah, 300 people in a 600 seater room with. If I told you. I mean, there'll be a lot of celebrities there because it's LA, but dude, to look up, see Barack Obama, John McCain dancing together. Oh, once again, Saddam Hussein was there. Oh, not even real people.
Wayne Fetterman
The K, the character for the movie
Josh Adam Myers
Schneider from One Day at a Time. He was there.
Wayne Fetterman
Okay, all right. Let me look at my nose.
Josh Adam Myers
He almost died like River Phoenix. Don't you? Sometimes you go, damn, I wish it was Schneider and not River Phoenix. Is that weird people? Probably.
Wayne Fetterman
I think we've said enough.
Josh Adam Myers
I mean, I really have to talk
Wayne Fetterman
about Alexis Korver and all.
Josh Adam Myers
Let me look. Let me see.
Wayne Fetterman
Corner. Alexis Corner in the blues situation where they start. I don't think so. We don't need to do. We don't have to go to the origins of the band.
Josh Adam Myers
Well, no, because I. We don't know. We. We've done that at this point. Morty. Morty had schooled me enough, and we had talked about the Stones.
Wayne Fetterman
Okay.
Josh Adam Myers
So if you really want.
Wayne Fetterman
No, no, no. I think the main. The main reason I was very excited when you said this album was because if. I hate to say it, because of Satisfaction. Like, they threw that record. It was a hit.
Josh Adam Myers
Oh. And it's like summer 65.
Wayne Fetterman
And it's the. As I said, it's their rocket to the moon.
Josh Adam Myers
It's their mission statement moving forward. They said, oh, just. We just need to be fucking badass motherfuckers.
Wayne Fetterman
Yes.
Josh Adam Myers
And we will get everything we need. And.
Wayne Fetterman
Dude. And then once in a while, we throw in an Angie. Once in a while.
Josh Adam Myers
Dude, Angie's great.
Wayne Fetterman
I love that.
Josh Adam Myers
Dude. I love that video. If you guys haven't seen it, it's. It is a video of them hearing the first mix of it, and they're. Have you not seen it here?
Wayne Fetterman
I don't think. Well, all right, I'll watch it.
Josh Adam Myers
I'm sorry. You have to go home to write a. No, I don't work on a documentary for Estelle. Getting.
Wayne Fetterman
By the way, can I give you the top five songs they played in concert over their career, please. You ready?
Josh Adam Myers
Wait, are you going to. Is this, like, just your personal opinion?
Wayne Fetterman
No, this is the facts off a set list. Dot fm, whatever that.
Josh Adam Myers
Oh, right on.
Wayne Fetterman
You ready?
Josh Adam Myers
I'll tell you. I think I can, I guess.
Wayne Fetterman
Yes. This is my favorite thing to do.
Josh Adam Myers
Okay, not. I know you love games.
Wayne Fetterman
You want it in.
Josh Adam Myers
And I just got to name them. Not in order. Yes, I'm Name five or so start me up.
Wayne Fetterman
No, really.
Josh Adam Myers
All right.
Wayne Fetterman
It came too late in there.
Josh Adam Myers
Okay. Okay. So Satisfaction. For sure. Jumper Jack Flash.
Wayne Fetterman
Satisfaction is number five.
Josh Adam Myers
Jumper Jack Flash, number one.
Wayne Fetterman
Of course, you've already bookended it. You've already booked.
Josh Adam Myers
And by the way, if nobody's seen the Whoopi Goldberg movie, Jumping Jack Flash, go see that. I'm go rent it or stream it. Rent. What am I talking about? Stream is probably on YouTube.
Wayne Fetterman
Make sure you rewind.
Josh Adam Myers
You know, puts on tubi. You just might have to. Somebody once said A joke. He was like, I watched the movie Congo the way you're supposed to see it, which is on YouTube in 10, 10 minute increments.
Wayne Fetterman
That's funny. That's funny.
Josh Adam Myers
God. Okay.
Wayne Fetterman
One of them is hard.
Josh Adam Myers
I mean, I'm assuming they played it at the show that I went to.
Wayne Fetterman
It's not Red Rooster.
Josh Adam Myers
Can I pull. Can I. Oh, yeah, dude. Not little Red Rooster. I don't want to pull up setlist.com. can I pull up a set list from my show?
Wayne Fetterman
No.
Josh Adam Myers
Or don't. That's cheating.
Wayne Fetterman
I mean, you can if you want. I don't.
Josh Adam Myers
Let me just. Let me see what it says. Rolling Stone.
Wayne Fetterman
Let me give you a hint on one of the songs.
Josh Adam Myers
Okay.
Wayne Fetterman
They don't sing it anymore in concert because it's politically incorrect.
Josh Adam Myers
Oh, Brown Sugar.
Wayne Fetterman
Yes. Yes. Number two.
Josh Adam Myers
That's number two.
Wayne Fetterman
That's soon going to be overcome by number three.
Josh Adam Myers
Yeah.
Wayne Fetterman
Is.
Josh Adam Myers
Okay, here we go. Here we go, Here we go. She's my little rock and roll tits and ass. I know that's not it, but good God. Angela loved that song. Paint it Black.
Wayne Fetterman
No, no, it's none of the 60s stuff.
Josh Adam Myers
So give me Shelter.
Wayne Fetterman
No, that's a great guess, though. That's a great guess.
Josh Adam Myers
Did we already make the joke that I was like that that's the song that Scorsese's put in every movie, like, even in, like, Kundun. It was like, wow, children. He's like, blessing somebody. It does the shadow way. All right, so now, so it's not the 60s. Get off of my cloud now.
Wayne Fetterman
It's none of the 60s ones.
Josh Adam Myers
Oh, okay.
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Wayne Fetterman
I mean, yes, it did come out in the 60s, but I, I. When I think of the six, I think in the mid-60s. Get off of my cloud, Mother's little helper.
Josh Adam Myers
That's crazy. They don't play Brown Sugar anymore. That's nuts. I could have sworn they played that.
Wayne Fetterman
No, it's a. That's about slavery, apparently.
Josh Adam Myers
That's such a good song. Sympathy for the Devil.
Wayne Fetterman
Well, according to this, it's. I'm just gonna do it.
Josh Adam Myers
No. All right, let me just get one more.
Wayne Fetterman
Okay.
Josh Adam Myers
I'm gonna say you can't always get what you want.
Wayne Fetterman
Yeah. These are all. This is what I'm saying. Their catalog is phenomenal. It really is phenomenal. And according to this.
Josh Adam Myers
And it will go from 5 down 5.
Wayne Fetterman
Satisfaction. Actually, the song is called Satisfaction in Parentheses. I can't get Now.
Josh Adam Myers
Yeah.
Wayne Fetterman
Which is double negative. It should be I Can't get Any tumbling dice.
Josh Adam Myers
All. Yeah, I. Wow, that's crazy. I would have. Yeah, it is.
Wayne Fetterman
That's the surprising one. And then number three, Wild Horses, Honky Tonk Woman.
Josh Adam Myers
Fuck, I should have done. I knew that.
Wayne Fetterman
Come on. That song is incredible.
Josh Adam Myers
What a great song.
Wayne Fetterman
But I'm just saying, out of these two dudes, one of them who has traces of blood in his heroin stream, Keith Richards, that they could come up with this many great hooky songs, guitar driven song that are phenomenal in concert. They're just. It's too much. It's almost too much.
Josh Adam Myers
Yeah, it really is.
Wayne Fetterman
So they were no longer a blue. They're no longer a blues cover band doing Red Rooster. And you know, what was the. What was the song that Etta James did that they did on their first album? It's. Oh, my God, I just want to make love to you.
Josh Adam Myers
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Wayne Fetterman
I don't. Yeah, dude.
Josh Adam Myers
You know, I'm not gonna lie, man. I love some of the Beatles, older blues rip offs and it's like, I don't want you. But I. I love that stuff, man. You know,
Wayne Fetterman
Monkey Robinson,
Josh Adam Myers
I love that. You know, that's what's so great about the Stone song is that man, he does nothing. He can do whatever he wants because he's singing the same rain. It's not like Axl Rose who can't sing Paradise City anymore because his voice changed because he didn't think he'd have to sing these songs in his 70s. Like, Mick knew, dude, what is that? I was just watching Almost Famous and when the new manager, Jimmy Fallon shows up, he goes, you think he's like, I'm gonna take you to the next level. You think the Stones want to be playing when they're 70 in Haiti? And it's like, like he makes that journal, like, yeah, I guess you're right. And it's like, ah, just what a. What a great writer Cameron was for that. It's such a really interesting life. But that's another podcast and we'll talk about that when we do a Zeppelin record with maybe you if someone drops out. All right, but only if five or six people. I'm going for everybody. You're doing a Zeppelin record. We are. We have. We are. So what would you say then?
Wayne Fetterman
So it'll be bad news for the podcast.
Josh Adam Myers
Oh, God. Emily left. We are. We got nobody. You know what I mean? You know, Emily's given up on booking a guest when she goes, I guess it's Wayne time. And I'm like, or Emily. Oh, she's doing great. Do we got Gina? Oh, am I gonna say it? Oh, I'll say. We got Gina Gershon coming up in person. Yeah. I just read her book, Alpha. I'm excited. Also, Melissa Off Demar, her new book is out. Go get it. It's amazing. I'll promote it again at the beginning, in the end.
Wayne Fetterman
Do we have to go through the tracks on this?
Josh Adam Myers
No, I don't think so. Because it's. I think the We. The main song on this. I mean, we'll just say that. What is. What do you think?
Wayne Fetterman
I mean, it's not even a. It's not even a guess. It's not even a thing. Yeah.
Josh Adam Myers
And what's so funny is. What is. What is the other song?
Wayne Fetterman
Well, no, Number one.
Josh Adam Myers
Play With Fire. We'll play with Fire.
Wayne Fetterman
Yes. Yeah. Again, six of these songs are Richards and. And Keith Richards and Mick Jagger, and six of them are Blue Rhythm and Blues covers.
Josh Adam Myers
Yeah.
Wayne Fetterman
So it's.
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Wayne Fetterman
It's just a fun album to listen to them, but they're just.
Josh Adam Myers
By the way, Fire's not on this one. This is like. It's so funny. I pulled up the wrong thing, but it's like I've listened to both of them.
Wayne Fetterman
Yeah.
Josh Adam Myers
And I gotta say, the UK version. Good.
Wayne Fetterman
Okay. Uk.
Josh Adam Myers
Oak. Oak. Ok. Spider in the Fly. Is that on this one? No.
Wayne Fetterman
Yeah.
Josh Adam Myers
Who gives a. Dude? So, yeah, it is right there.
Wayne Fetterman
But I have to say. But their very next album, which I can't remember the name of, All Stone
Josh Adam Myers
Songs, All Stones and what's the next record? Hold on. I'll tell you right now. In America, it is December's Children and everybody's.
Wayne Fetterman
Now that's.
Josh Adam Myers
The UK is Aftermath.
Wayne Fetterman
Yeah, it's. It's Aftermath.
Josh Adam Myers
Okay, well, then, yeah, America, we don't need it. No, no.
Wayne Fetterman
That was like a greatest hit. Like, they kept repackaging what's on that record.
Josh Adam Myers
Let me just take a look. Was there any singles? Yeah, it's. Oh, yeah. Painted Black.
Wayne Fetterman
Painted. I mean, come the Bolero. I mean, it's.
Josh Adam Myers
So what would you say.
Wayne Fetterman
What would you say when I said. Again, I want to just clarify. I know I said, look, obviously, Brown Sugar. I mean, Jumping Jack flash is a 60s song, but I'm saying when I think it's 60. I mean, they're early 60s kind of radio hits. Mother's a little helper Playing it black.
Josh Adam Myers
What is your drag?
Wayne Fetterman
It is getting old. That song blew me away as a kid. I was like, what? Mothers take drugs, I can deal with their Kid.
Josh Adam Myers
Like mothers take drugs with your kids. It's a John Mayer song.
Wayne Fetterman
It was such a mind blowing moment for me.
Josh Adam Myers
So what would you say is the. Is the Stone's best record? If you had to pick one? Where do you think they re. Is this the one?
Wayne Fetterman
Well, I mean, obviously I'm gonna say Hot Rocks, which is a Greatest hits.
Josh Adam Myers
No, but it can't be that. That.
Wayne Fetterman
It can't be that.
Josh Adam Myers
No. People say, oh, it's got to be Exile and me. Exile. Exile is universally critically acclaimed and also the history being in Paris. They're all on drugs.
Wayne Fetterman
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah.
Josh Adam Myers
It shouldn't have even happened. They should have died while they were making it.
Wayne Fetterman
Yeah, it's so. I mean, it's so great. There's actually my favorite. This is going to be just horrible. Is a bootleg of a concert with Mick Taylor that I bought. That's. That's my favorite Stones. I mean, there's just too many. There's too many. But I'm more of a singles guy when it comes to Stones than their albums. Just so you know, I don't think. Yeah, I don't think they're like, that's me. I think. And I know. I know Stones fans are throwing rocks at their computers right now and very upset with me, but I'm much more about their singles than their albums.
Josh Adam Myers
Yeah, I think a lot of people are maybe. I don't know. What's going on with you? Anything going on?
Wayne Fetterman
Yes. Yes. Besides the Mel Brooks still tomatoing at 100.
Josh Adam Myers
It'd be crazy if anybody.
Wayne Fetterman
All of a sudden I was like,
Josh Adam Myers
no, this is fucking shitty.
Wayne Fetterman
Is my book. The history of Stand up from Mark Twain to Dave Chappelle. I have an updated chapter. It's going to be out. It was supposed to be out on the ides of March, which is March 15th. Did I make that deadline? No, I did not.
Josh Adam Myers
Can I get an autographed copy of this?
Wayne Fetterman
Yeah, when the new one. When the new one comes out. It's so and so. I've been working so hard on it. I'm such a slow writer. And so that'll probably hopefully be out.
Josh Adam Myers
There's a slow rider.
Wayne Fetterman
Hopefully you'll be out next week.
Josh Adam Myers
Can't finish on time. He is a slow rider, by the way. What a great way to end. Oh, man, I'm so happy for you, Wayne. I'm so happy you're here. I love having you here and I need you, brother. Next podcast. Next. When we start, we finish this one, you and I. Let's get attached by the hip. This be the biggest podcast in the world. For real.
Wayne Fetterman
All right.
Josh Adam Myers
Me, you. A little help from Tennis Ball. A little help from Elon Musk from Grok. I'm a Grok guy, so I'm a. I'm a Claude guy. Oh, no way. Oh, that's. What are you, a Crockhead? Oh, that's why all yours are a little far right. You deny vaccine usage. That is the podcast. Everybody follow Wayne on Instagram at instafetterman and go to WayneFetterman.com for all his shows. Watch the the Mel Brooks documentary. Check out the Maria Bamford documentary. When does that come? Is that out now?
Wayne Fetterman
No, it was just at south by Southwest.
Josh Adam Myers
For everything, wayne, go to WayneFetterman.
Wayne Fetterman
Yeah, there's a lot of. There's a whole archive, photos, stories, trivia, Wayne Fetterman trivia.
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Josh Adam Myers
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Josh Adam Myers
Jean Son of a.
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Next Chapter Podcasts.
Date: March 18, 2026
Host: Josh Adam Meyers
Guest: Wayne Federman
In this lively episode of The 500, comedian and music buff Wayne Federman joins Josh Adam Meyers to break down album #116 on Rolling Stone's 500 Greatest Albums: The Rolling Stones' "Out of Our Heads." The pair reminisce about the British Invasion, the Stones vs. Beatles rivalry, and the cultural shifts of the 1960s, using humor and deep fandom to explore what made this record a pivotal point in rock history. They focus heavily on the U.S. version of the album, the importance of "Satisfaction," and the Stones’ transformation from blues enthusiasts to icons of swagger.
[12:06] Wayne explains that the U.S. version with "(I Can't Get No) Satisfaction" is the definitive one for American fans:
"That's the album that was in stores when I was a kid. That's the album I saw that's got 'Satisfaction,’ which is THE song that made the band." – Wayne Federman
[12:29] Josh reflects on how this record marks the transition from "British kids doing American blues karaoke" to a rebellious band parents warned you about.
[39:14] Before "Satisfaction," the Stones had minor hits, but nothing like this:
"They were a band, but then 'Satisfaction' was like rocket, rocket fuel." – Wayne Federman
[41:49] The song’s dirty, sexual energy set the band apart from The Beatles’ clean-cut image.
"We're not cute. We're frustrated, we're horny, we're annoyed." – Josh
[12:47] Wayne highlights how the Stones’ manager positioned them as "bad boys" to contrast with The Beatles:
"We don't need another Beatles. ...[The Beatles] always wore the same outfit. ...We're going to be a little edgier, more rebel." – Wayne
[13:31] The Stones targeted male fans and encouraged rowdier shows:
"Where the Beatles had the girls, Stones had the boys." – Wayne
[13:56] Josh and Wayne discuss Stones’ grittier sound—raw, bluesy, with more attitude compared to the Beatles' pop harmonies.
[26:35] Wayne details how the British Invasion wasn't just music, but movies, Broadway, and fashion:
"There's a bigger cultural thing... British Invasion. It's the Hollies, the Kinks, the Beatles, the Stones, the Animals, Herman's Hermits..." – Wayne
[30:18] British bands re-interpreted American blues and sent it back, taking American youth by storm.
[42:14] The ‘Mods vs. Rockers’ split among UK bands is discussed, with The Who, Kinks, and Stones each appealing to different youth tribes.
[21:41] "How did the band go from stealing Muddy Waters riffs to inventing swagger itself?" – Josh
[21:49] Wayne credits the magic of Jagger/Richards songwriting and their ability to create guitar-based, hook-laden rock songs.
"It's one of the great mysteries. These two guys wrote so many hooky, great, swampy, bluesy R&B ...and then 'Satisfaction,’ the first HUGE riff song." – Wayne
[22:57] Jagger’s frontman style is likened to Tina Turner and Elvis—rare attitude superseding pure vocal quality.
[47:56] The Stones’ concerts were longer, rowdier, and more energetic than the Beatles’ short 30-minute sets: "Stone shows were like two-hour shows. This is not like the Beatles who did a half hour." – Wayne
[53:40] Discussion about the Stones dropping "Brown Sugar" from live sets due to its controversial lyrics.
[51:11] Wayne shares the Stones’ five most-performed songs according to setlist.fm:
[57:11] Many songs on "Out of Our Heads" are a mix of Jagger/Richards originals and R&B covers, reflecting a band in transition.
[59:16] Josh and Wayne agree "Out of Our Heads" represents a crucial turning point—the bridge between the Stones as blues cover band and as songwriters with their own sound: "It’s their mission statement moving forward—they just needed to be badass motherfuckers." – Josh
[59:37] Wayne prefers the band’s singles output to their albums, although he acknowledges "Exile on Main St" and "Sticky Fingers" are often considered their best LPs.
On Mick Jagger:
"Mick Jagger is a perfect example of, you don't have to be a great singer to be a rock star, but you need to look great and have incredible attitude. He has it in spades." – Wayne [17:05]
On the Stones’ attitude:
"They were not dick riding the Beatles anymore! We're not cute. We're frustrated, we're horny, we're annoyed." – Josh [39:53]
On American music’s influence:
"They wanted to be Muddy Waters and Howlin' Wolf...they recorded this record in America at Chess Records, Chicago...they could lay down Satisfaction whenever inspiration hit." – Wayne [30:25–40]
On “Satisfaction” as a breakthrough:
"That was their rocket to the moon...their mission statement moving forward." – Wayne [50:28–50:34]
This episode blends deep Stones lore with classic Josh and Wayne banter, loads of first-hand ’60s nostalgia, and plenty of music geek in-jokes. If you’re curious why "Out of Our Heads" was the launchpad for the Stones’ swagger, or want to understand the Stones-Beetles dichotomy, this is an essential listen (or read!).
Next Episode Preview: The Who Sell Out (1967) – tune in to see if Josh liked it or hated it!