117 - Derek and the Dominos - Layla and Other Assorted Love Songs - Cody Tucker

Summary

Podcast Summary: The 500 with Josh Adam Meyers

Episode 117: Derek and the Dominos – Layla and Other Assorted Love Songs with Cody Tucker Release Date: March 11, 2026
Host: Josh Adam Meyers
Guest: Cody Tucker (comedian, podcaster)

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Overview

This episode spotlights the iconic album Layla and Other Assorted Love Songs by Derek and the Dominos, ranked #117 in Rolling Stone’s “500 Greatest Albums.” Host Josh Adam Meyers sits down with podcaster and storyteller Cody Tucker for an intense, hilarious, and deeply sentimental exploration of the record, Eric Clapton’s artistry, and the absurd, mythic love triangle that fueled one of rock’s greatest albums. The duo dig into the emotional chaos behind the music, the figures (both divine and flawed) who made it, and Layla’s unlikely path from overlooked release to classic.

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Key Themes and Discussion Points

1. Defining Life-Changing Records

• Early Influences: Cody Tucker discusses his transformative albums growing up: The Doors’ debut, Marilyn Manson’s Antichrist Superstar, and Pink Floyd’s The Wall. (07:39, 24:58)
• Music as Emotional Milestones: Both hosts reflect on how certain albums shape identity and emotional understanding.

2. Guitar Gods and Their Impact

• Clapton’s Rank: Josh asks if Clapton belongs in the top three guitarists of all time (13:37).
  • Cody: “Mount Rushmore for sure...all in all, just guitar gods, how do you not put Clapton on there?” (14:16)
  • Both agree: Hendrix, Van Halen, and Clapton are unmovable icons.
• The “Singable Solo”: Discussion of melodic vs. technical guitar work, referencing David Gilmour and Slash (15:54–16:51).

3. Classic Rock, Changing Eras, and the Rise of Clapton

• Clapton’s Resume: Yardbirds, John Mayall’s Bluesbreakers, Cream, Blind Faith, Delaney & Bonnie, and finally Derek and the Dominos (34:06–34:31).
• Context of 1970: Cultural backdrop—Beatles breakup, Vietnam, Janis Joplin and Hendrix’s deaths, musical shift from psychedelia to the singer-songwriter era (35:56).

4. The Layla Love Triangle

• The Story: Eric Clapton forms a “fake” band (Derek and the Dominos), writes a sprawling double album about his forbidden love for Pattie Boyd, his best friend George Harrison’s wife. Invites Duane Allman to play.
  • Josh: “This record is the sound of a man so in love he started a fake band, wrote a double album about his best friend’s wife, and then invited Duane Allman over to shred about it.” (04:16)
• Mythologizing Pattie Boyd: The muse behind “Layla”, “Bell Bottom Blues”, “Wonderful Tonight”, “Something,” perhaps “Here Comes the Sun.” Discussion on her mystique and how her persona gripped two creative icons (40:15–48:10).
• The “Golden Pussy” Trope: Humorous yet insightful digression on romantic obsession and rock’s mythologizing of muses.

5. The Album’s Sound and Sonic Legacy

• Album Structure: 14 tracks, emotional arc from calm to chaos, with “Layla” as an eruption in the latter half (55:20–56:45).
• Emotional Honesty: Clapton’s transparent anguish, reflected in the lyrics and performances.
  • Cody: “It’s just absolutely phenomenal. The production, the songwriting, his playing, Duane Allman’s playing...you kind of forget this album isn’t just Layla and Bell Bottom Blues.” (54:53)
  • Josh: On “Layla”: “He’s pleading. If you didn’t understand the first 12 tracks, I’m gonna spell it out for you.” (76:51)

6. Duane Allman’s Contribution

• Allman’s Slide Guitar: The duo emphasize Allman’s central role in the album’s sound, especially in “Layla’s” coda and throughout the LP (86:43–87:45).
  • Cody: “He really might be one of the greatest guitar players that’s ever lived.”

7. “Layla,” Cinematic Resonance & Rock Ritual

• Goodfellas and the Piano Coda: Extended discussion of how the “Layla” piano coda elevates the whackings montage in Goodfellas, and the broader topic of best uses of pop music in movies (79:56–108:48).
  • Notable Quote: Cody: “The 20th-century version of Für Elise...probably the most iconic piano piece in modern music.” (79:43)
  • The art of pairing song to image—parallels with Tarantino, Scorsese, PT Anderson.

8. The Album's Initial Failure and Later Triumph

• A Slow Burner: Layla flopped on release, only achieving legendary status years later after radio play (100:42).
• Tragedy and Turmoil: Jim Gordon, the drummer who wrote the famous piano outro, later succumbed to mental illness and murdered his mother (78:28).

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Notable Quotes & Classic Moments

• On the emotional chaos fueling the record:
  • Josh: “This is ‘I’m Fine’ written in flames.” (43:50)
• On the Clapton/Harrison/Boyd triangle:
  • “She is on the Mount Rushmore of golden pussies in the world. Because you have multiple genius-level singer-songwriters obsess over the same person.” (49:52)
• On “Layla” as a confessional:
  • “This is a song that, once you find out about it, it’s almost humiliating for Eric...It’s dramatic, it’s messy, it’s excessive, it’s sincere.” (99:58)
• On the fever dream of the “Layla” coda:
  • Josh: “It’s like rage into acceptance.” (99:22)
• On favorite tracks:
  • Cody: “My favorite is Bell Bottom Blues. It has a sentimental kind of thing...it has such a great build, like each chorus. I think his voice is the best there.” (68:48, 117:00)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 06:58 – Show proper begins; guest intro and musical formative years
• 13:37 – Clapton’s place among the all-time great guitarists
• 24:58 – Albums that changed Cody’s (and Josh’s) lives
• 34:06 – Breakdown of Clapton’s pre-Dominos history
• 35:56 – What was happening in 1970? Setting the scene
• 40:15 – Who was Pattie Boyd?
• 54:53 – Track by track: Layla starts calm, descends into emotional unraveling
• 76:51 – All about the song “Layla” and Jim Gordon’s tragic story
• 79:56 – “Layla” and cinematic greatness in Goodfellas and the wider world
• 86:43 – Duane Allman’s role and Allman Brothers shout-out
• 100:42 – “Layla” and the album’s rise from flop to classic
• 117:00 – Final verdicts and standout tracks
• Lots of movie song talk (100:59–109:30): the best "needle drops" in cinema

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Other Fun/Quirky Segments

• Guitarist analogies via serial killers (22:12)
• Artful digressions: serial killers as rock gods, TV obsessions, “golden pussy” metaphors
• Humorous roasting of generational musical knowledge
• Deep dive into the absurdities and failures of weight loss drugs/pop culture appearances (65:00+)
• Cody talks about his internet/podcast career: the Joe Rogan endorsement bounce (69:54–73:29)

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Final Takeaways

• Bell Bottom Blues is Cody’s top pick (“nostalgic as hell”, 116:55), with “Layla” acknowledged as the album’s crowning achievement.
• Not a “no skip” album—most skip “Little Wing”.
• “Layla and Other Assorted Love Songs” is a document of emotional collapse and passionate artistry, anchored by two guitar gods and one muse.
• The episode is a love letter to rock mythology: the friendships, betrayals, personal demons, and transcendent solos that make classic albums endure.
• Josh and Cody’s chemistry—hilarious, irreverent, and unfiltered—keeps the show moving between deep cultural analysis and outright comedy.

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Guest Plugs:

• Find Cody at @thecodytucker
• His podcast: The Cody Tucker Show and new movie podcast Rewind and Repeat
• Book: And Now You Know (Amazon)

Next Week:
#116 – The Rolling Stones, Out of Our Heads (1965)

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Transcript

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[B]

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[A]

Talking the 500 until until the end Talking the 500 until the end with my man J on the 500 Talking the 500 until the end. The song is Layla. It's by Derek and the dominoes from their 1970 album Layla and Another Sordid Love Songs. It's also number 117 out of 500 with me. Hey everybody, I'm Josh. Adam Myers. I feel like I'm getting good at this, man. I feel like recently the last few shows we've been really informative, fun. I'm dialed in. Am I wrong? We should have a million trillion downloads an episode because we're the only podcast that's going through Rolling Stone magazines listed the 500 down to 1. If you didn't, I'm not repeating it. It stumbled out. There's an emergency going on outside. It's New York City. It's 69 degrees outside. So I want to do this quickly. Hey everybody, I am on the road. March 16th, I'll be at the Comedy Store in Los Angeles doing shimmy shimmy. April 7th through the 11th, I'll be at Rumors in Winnipeg. That's Canada. Manitoba. I'll be at moontower comedy festival April 11th through the 15th in Austin, Texas. Big show, Caesars Atlantic City April 23rd. I'm doing an hour in a theater. Please come. May 8th beautifully broken comedy show with Jelly roll at the Greek Theater in Los Angeles For Netflix Fest May 15th through the 16th, Mic Drop Comedy Club in Plano, Texas. May 22nd through the 23rd, Jimmy Kimmel's Comedy Club in Las Vegas. And then we're doing a Mic Drop Mania in Chandler, Arizona. And I got more and more deaths. Debts coming as we go. Debts coming as we go. I can't talk. Hopefully I don't have indigestion, but I think the Reddit 2 tried is making it. No indigestion, but Josh Adam Myers.com for tickets at Josh Adam Myers on all social media, subscribe to the Patreon patreon.com the 500 podcast. Come on dude. If you listen for free, hook us up, dude. Patreon.com backslash the 500 podcast support. Also, friend of the show and former guest on episode 135, Melissa Offdimore. Her book even the Good Girls Will Cry, a 90s rock memoir is coming out March 17th. Make sure you pre order a copy now on Amazon or anywhere you get your fucking books. I ran into her in L. A while she was on her book tour. Yeah, dude. Oh, and she's having a little party here in New York, so I'm going to go to that. So make sure you get it. I'll take pics. I'll post them to my account to the 500 count. Yeah, man, get that book. I'm excited. All right, all right. You want to do a little breakdown of what we're talking about today, party people? Because we are diving into what I would call the most emotionally unhinged, cocaine dusted, friendship ruining love letters ever pressed to vinyl. This record is the sound of a man so in love that he started a fake band, wrote a double album about his best friend's wife, and then invited Duane Allman over to shred about it. The man, Eric Clapton, the friend, George Harrison. And the wife, the golden of all golden pussies, Pattie Boyd. This is Derek and the Dominoes, Leela and other assorted songs. It's a goodie, man. And my guest today, podcaster, professional storyteller, the one and only Cody Tucker. If you've never heard the Cody Tucker show, it's a great podcast where he shares wild true stories from history and everyday life. Go to codytuckercomedy.com and find out all things Cody because this is a really interesting dude. So much fun to be able to sit down and talk to him about this record and he will be back rate, review and most importantly subscribe to the 500 listen free on all platforms. Leave us a five star rating and review. Follow me at Josh Adam Myers on all social at the podcast at the 500 podcast. Email the [e-mail] Follow the Facebook group run by Crazy Evan and for all things 500 go to the website the 500podcast.com. Right, that's it guys. Nothing left to say. But here we go with number 117 out of 500 with Derek and the Dominoes. Layla, another assorted large dogs. Abu Ya. This happened, dude. Yeah, we're doing this right now. This is it. We are in. We are.

[B]

We are in like Flynn. As they say.

[A]

We are in like Flynn. Finally the. The to the two meeting in the minds. I've. I've. I've thrown you albums at the last minute and. And literally most of the time you're always like, I love that one. I do just love blanket music. Are you a blanket music dude?

[B]

Pretty much. I mean there are definitely artists or genres that I do not like, but for the most part, I mean I try to listen to a lot of different stuff. I mean, I have my favorites, of course, but what would you say?

[A]

What would you say? Are you like. If you. Because I don't say favorite records. I always say like life changing your. Your life was one way and then you heard this, your life was another.

[B]

Wow, that is tough. I mean, the Doors first album is one that I was obsessed with like all throughout high school. I think most guys go through a Jim Morrison face. I don't know if I ever grew out of mine clearly. And yeah, man, I just was obsessed with it. So I'll just listen to that album constantly.

[A]

Do you feel better? Do you feel different listening to the Doors, like naked and like, is there something about maybe getting out and just being naked and listening to the Doors? Does it do something to you?

[B]

Yeah, yeah. If I could, you know, shine my butthole into the moonlight while listening to the Doors, I'm a pretty. I feel one with mother Earth, you know.

[A]

I know I saw. I saw Jim Morrison's grave when I went to Paris, which is the second time I've seen it. I did like a mini, A mini, mini tour of like famous Paris places for Jim Morrison.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I went to the house that he died in. Surprisingly nobody there. Like, not like no No, I was the only person taking pictures and looking at it. And you can like see the actual apartment. You can't of course, go in. Right, but you know, the grave, obviously, and, and it's. Maybe it's the same thing about like I was. We did a bunch of Doors records on the podcast. We did the one with People are Strange. I know. We did the one with Rob. We did that one, the LA Woman, which now where they recorded that is now a Shake shack. Isn't that sad?

[B]

Jesus. Yeah, I used to firebomb that Shake Shack.

[A]

The place that he died Now a Carl's Jr. It's all in Paris, which is nuts.

[B]

My God. Yeah,

[A]

but that's the thing about. It was the same experience I had going to his grave and, and to where the location that he died that I had when I went to Prince's house, which I was a. You know, you start doing the podcast and you like them and then it's like you, you go to these places, museums for Prince and, and just landmarks for Jim, and then you're like, oh, like you feel it a little bit deeper so it sits with you. Have you been to either one of those places or not?

[B]

No, I am not a traveler by any means. So if, if they didn't die within a 10 mile radius of where I'm at, I'm probably not gonna ever see their grave.

[A]

Wait, who's. Has anybody died close to you that you can go. I've been to. I've been to Jim Varney's house like 15 times.

[B]

Well, no, that would actually be. That's high up on the bucket list. But no, I've seen Dime Bags Grave a couple times because I'm, you know, I'm pretty close to Dallas, so. Yeah, I've seen Diamond, you know, in Benny's grave. It's pretty wild. It is. It is a weird feeling when you think like, oh, wow, six feet down is the corpse of, you know, one of my favorite guitarists of all time, of one of my favorite bands of all time. And it is. And, and the drummer is just very weird.

[A]

So you're, you're a guitar guy then?

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I've grown up playing the guitar. Played the guitar since I was probably 5, 5, 6 years old.

[A]

Where would you put yourself grade wise, like, if you had to say. All right, no, how about this? How about this? How about this? How about this? All right, how about this? Are you all right? So here's your scale. Okay. Are you, are you, are you dimebag? Daryl, Highest of The High or Corey Feldman.

[B]

I'd probably say I'm closer to, like, a CC DeVille.

[A]

Okay. All right. Yeah.

[B]

It's not great, but it gets the job done. Yeah. Now I'm. I'm decent. I definitely am decent. I'm not.

[A]

I.

[B]

You know, I'm not going to toot my own horn and act like I'm some prodigy or anything, but I have been playing a very long time. So if I'm not at least decently good by now, what am I doing?

[A]

If you understand music, if you understand the feel of it, we say it all the time. It's like, you can. You can play anything. You don't have to be the best. Technically, it's soloing, but if you just understand where the one is and you understand the groove, you can play with anybody.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You could be. You could be Joe Satriani. And if you don't understand where the one is or have no feel for music. I played with a guy like that who was just, like, technically, like, could solo and do all this crazy. But it was like, oh, man. It's just like when it comes to a groove.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. He's Cor. He's Corey Feldman. You're cc. I would put myself. Oh, my God. Where would I put myself in the guitar game? I would say, realistically. Okay, it's got to be. I would say I'm. I'm above mgk.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I'm above mgk. I'm very good at basically, like, power chords. I'm like. I'm like a. I'm like a. I've, like, learned from the school of local H. Okay. Does that make sense?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Power cords all drop detuning. Like, I can. I could Kill a Helmet song.

[B]

Well, that's. That's a good way to be. You can. You can do a lot with that.

[A]

You can have a whole career in. In that kind of. A lot of people have.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And. And. And it is something that fascinates me, you know, when it comes to someone. You know, this is how we segue into the Juice, into the one, the only, which some call the God of. Of guitar, which I. Man, I, I. I never fought it. I get it. 100 and I understand. I. And. And we'll get into some other stuff later, but it is. It is. It is like you. There is those guitars that we've talked about. And you see someone as proficient as Dimebag Darrell and how he understands his instrument and how someone like Zach Wild understands his instrument and someone like. Even my dad's Favorite. The jazz guitarist Joe Pass that are playing these.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Get these chords or, or, or whatever that are just like, oh, wow. It's, it's, it's, you know, it's like literally listening to like, you know, Miles Davis on a guitar and then you hear someone that understands the instrument on such a way that I really do think when you speak of any. And I mean top, top three guitarists in the history of the world, I, I think Eric Clapton is a strong case. 100%, if not a guaranteed. He's definitely a first ballot hall of fame top five guitarist. Top ten for sure. Top five for sure. Top three. I think there are, there are discussions.

[B]

But Mount Rushmore for sure. I, I think I'm, I put him on the Mount Rushmore. I mean, I, I'm not necessarily the biggest Eric Clapton fan if I'm just ranking like personal favorites.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

But if you're just going all in all, just guitar gods, how do you not put Clapton on the Mount Rushmore of that. Yeah, I mean, Hendrix, Van Halen, and I mean everybody.

[A]

Yeah, you had it right there. No, no, you had it right there, dude. Because it's so funny that I was, all I had in my head was, was Hendrix, Hendrix. And then I, and then I was like, oh, I mean, who influenced more guitarists of my generation than, than Eddie Van Halen? Because I, I think there's like, I think when it comes to guitar playing and I think, I think drumming as well, like, there are, there are like, the way he's talking about albums, I still want to finish that, you know. Yeah. Because I still want to get to your meat potatoes. But we're, now that we're talking about guitars, I was like, let's dive the, in the. I think with guitar players there is like, you know, there are people that like, stop you in your tracks playing and it changes the way we, we understand the instrument. Like you mentioned j, you mentioned Eddie. I, I, I fight for this guy all the time, Slash. Because, because, because Appetite for Destruction is one of my favorite records of all time. And also, dude, and I think you can agree, judging by your headband and long hair, you have hummed and probably can hum every note in both. And I mean both of the guitar solos from November Rain.

[B]

Oh, without a doubt.

[A]

How many people can you do that?

[B]

Yeah, it's, it's one of the most well written guitar solos of all time. Because, yes, like, I had, I had Wolfgang Van Halen on my podcast like, a while back, and we were talking about kind of what his dad had taught him about soloing, and it was

[A]

do a lot of cocaine and just rip

[B]

and just smile a lot. Yeah, he. But he said that you should be able to sing the solo, like, as you're playing, like, you should be able to sing the solo. And I think that that is exact. I think that gets lost on a lot of people where they just say, oh, let me just play. Let me just shred. And that is cool. Can be cool. But there has to. It has to fit the melody. It has to be its own melody at the same time. And I think that that's the best way to going to ensure that is can I sing the solo?

[A]

You know who does a really good job of that? David Gilmore. And you see him do it.

[B]

Just thinking it.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like, what? He's doing, like, wish you were here. It's like, there's that great.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, I mean, I went to see him three times when he did his. He did his solo tour, I think, in 24.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It was right around the election when we. When we had seen it. God, it was so funny. I walked out and I saw this guy wearing him like a MAGA hat the night of the election. I was like, he's going down. And the next morning I was like, not that. That guy. He was right. He was 100% right.

[B]

Yeah. Where can I get one of those hats?

[A]

Yeah, I'm joining the squad. I already kind of built like, Marjorie Taylor Green. I might as well bleach the hair and go full. By the way, big shout out to Marjorie, dude, I love where your head's at now, baby. That being said. That being said, David Gilmore is. Is someone that you can also another guy. And I was trying to see if. I was like, can I hum a solo by. By Dimebag? And I'm like, I don't know if I could. I can hum it, but I know them. It's like, it's. You know. But also then you think of, like, metal or somebody doing hard rock, like Kurt Hammett, like, certain songs, you know, I'm just. All I hear is. I could do the whole thing.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. So that's it, too. I mean, can you do, like. Because obviously with shredding, you're going to be doing super fast, but, like, are you able to do that? Is the solo catchy? Like, it has to have that. That feel to it. I think Brian May is also really good at that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Solos are very catchy, very singable. Yeah. I think Kirk Hammett is in that group as well, you're gonna go see.

[A]

Are you gonna go see Metallica at the Sphere?

[B]

No. The Sphere in Las Vegas is, again, not within about a 10 or 15 mile radius of me. So you don't leave. No, there's nothing to see out there.

[A]

There actually is. There's a whole world. There's a world.

[B]

I got my whole world, you know, right around me. You know, I make my own. My whole world.

[A]

Are you. And you're in? You. Are you in? Let me guess. You said you're on Dallas, so I'm. And I knew that you're in Texas, but I'm thinking it's either Plano. Don't get Fort Worth. You're not a Plano guy. Plano. Fort Worth. Or Dallas. I am gonna go.

[B]

I'm a little further out than that. I mean, Dallas is like a. Is a. Is a journey for me. I'm about two hours away from Dallas, so. But I'm. I'm in East Texas. Longview is the city, kind of in the middle of nowhere. Home of Matthew McConaughey. That's about all we got going for us. Yeah.

[A]

All right, dude. Oscar winner. Yeah. You know, the only good season of True Detective.

[B]

God, yes.

[A]

Only good.

[B]

Yes. And probably the greatest single season of TV of all time.

[A]

I know. I'm gonna. I'm gonna tell you. You know what, you know, is one that is. God love that. You love pop culture, too, and you know it. I bet you've seen it is hands down, I'll fight anybody over this, the second season of Fargo.

[B]

Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

That, that. In. In. In. Because you're talking when it comes to, like, you know, because you could also be like The Wire, Season 3. Or you could be like, there's. Or, you know, Soprano season. This. But I. I always like to lake it in. This is a single because. Because the Watchman. The Watch. Watchman on hbo, that was another one that I was like, oh, this is damn near perfect.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And. And. And exactly. True Detective. We. We were so into it, and then that final episode, you're like, ah. I mean, it's still good, but you're like, I was hoping for a little bit, little razzle dazzle, and you just kind of. You know what I mean? But, dude, season two. Fargo. Kieran Culkin. Jesse Plemons. Yeah. Kirsten Dunst. He meets his wife, Patrick Wilson. Oh, dude. Bo. Keem Woodbine. I could go on and on. It's. Oh, and Gene Smart.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

It's just. It's hands down like, one of my favorite things. But none of those people are from my hometown, so you have me beat.

[B]

No, well, you know, that's just the way of the world, I suppose. Mind Hunter, Season 1. Give an honorable mention because I do think mine Hunter is just absolutely incredible.

[A]

I gotta watch that. Dude, I gotta watch that.

[B]

Everybody seen it now.

[A]

I'm a not. Dude, I am a. I'm pretty bad in what is out on television, what I actually watch, because I just don't. I had a rule that I've established my entire, you know, adult life, which is I don't turn the TV on until night time. And then by the time I get home, unless it's sports. And then by the time I get home, you know, I. I usually lay down and I've always been that guy that's like, I'm. I'm couch narcoleptic. So I just lay down and I'm out. I get high and then that's it. That's a wrap. And so I'll start. Shit. But doing all. Unless it's like. Like I'm into the pit right now. Only because it's such an easy watch to watch on an airplane when there's no TVs on the back of the thing. I was into alien Earth and then besides that, I don't fucking. Yeah, man.

[B]

Yeah. A chance. Yeah, I'm a big serial killer guy came out weird, I think.

[A]

No, no, you know, I am as well. Who's your. Who's your favorite. Who's the Eric Clapton? Who is the Eric Clapton of serial killers?

[B]

Oh, God, that's a good one. Maybe John Wayne Gacy, probably. They'd probably be the Collapse or maybe down a Dahmer. Probably is because, you know, like, Albert Fish would be the Hendrix kind of the. The first, the revolutionary.

[A]

He's good. Yeah, dude. He knew what he was doing. He was proficient. He knew way ahead of his time. Way ahead of his time. Dude, I love Albert Fish. Yeah, dude. Dude, I. I honestly, I think if you're going to talk about who's the Eric Clapton, I. I think it's got to go full circle. Not just. I think it's. I think it's. I think it's Bundy, man. I think Bundy is one of the best serial killers of all time. Because if he didn't. If he didn't just leave the evidence, he could have gotten off and he could have done it himself. Like, dude, to have that judge say. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I wish I would have met you under different circumstances. You're one of the most bright dude. John Wayne Gacy is just a fucking. And he's great, don't get me wrong. But he buries them under his fucking house. It starts Sting, you know what I mean? And these. And he's. He's leaving breadcrumbs the BTK might have up bigger than anybody up True. Asking the cops, can you find me through a. A floppy disc? And they're like, no. And of course they.

[B]

Such an idiot.

[A]

Such an idiot. Green River Killer. I'll give him props, Fish. Obviously Geen Geen wasn't even anything. I don't even know why they made a goddamn series dmer. On the other hand, dude, he's. He's the Van Halen dude. Dahmer's the Van Halen.

[B]

Yeah. A lot of interesting tactics, you know, revolutionary tactics. You know, sort of the finger tapping of serial killing was going on. You know, drilling a hole in some Vietnamese kids head is. Is basically finger tapping for guitars.

[A]

Oh. Being like, I can that hole. Yeah, yeah, you can't.

[B]

I got into a zombie. This is incredible.

[A]

Wait, he took off. Oh, he's at the McDonald's. Let me, let me, let me corral this guy. Oh, don't worry, officers. He's my gay lover. And I know how homophobic you, you Michigan cop or Wisconsin cops are. All right, I'll take him back. Oh, ignore that hole in his head. That's just something. Gay people too. Yeah, we do poppers. We drill holes. We each other in the holes. It's not a thing.

[B]

Yeah. Oh my God.

[A]

All right, we digress. All right, all right, so. Because I want to get. I want to finish that because you so, so big albums. Yeah, you, you name. You named the Doors. What else? Give me, give me two more. I want to just build a little framework.

[B]

Marilyn Manson, Antichrist Superstar.

[A]

Interesting. You should talk to Big J Okerson about this because we.

[B]

He's a big fan.

[A]

He's a huge fan. We've seen him live a bunch of. And. And it's so good to see him back now as like skinny dude. He was rough for years. Me and, Me and, Me and Big J were that we saw him at a concert and he, you know, I was like, is he, you know, I was like, I was wondering on the way there, I was like, is he still doing like, you know, you know, Jesus is the enemy. And he goes, no, he's not. Not. He's not really doing that anymore. I go, what's he saying? And he goes, well, he actually gets really personal and he goes, you know, they tried to take me away from you. And the crowd's like, but they couldn't. And the crowd's like. And I was like, was he like, honest? And he goes, because I can afford a Jew lawyer. The same lawyer that got off my friend Johnny Depp. Yes. Because of the money you've given me, I did not go to jail. I can continue performing. And now I'm on Ozempic. Yeah,

[B]

yeah, My Manjaro. Manjaro Manson is kicking. Yeah.

[A]

This is the devil's Reddit tried. These are the devil's peptides. I am not on anything that I got from Next Health in Hollywood. And yes, I don't even do blood work. I don't even want to see where my levels are at. I am so rock and roll.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. You know, Zempica, you know, it works for some people, I suppose.

[A]

I mean, good. God bless it, dude. God bless. My mom dropped weight, dude. My mom got the lap band surgery like 20 some odd years ago. She gained more weight and then. Yeah, I know, dude. Well, she was eating, you know, she eats like trail mix for four meals a day, you know, and like that's a, you know, that's. I don't know what else. Bagels maybe. And then, and then she. And then she got on Mongero and lost everything. So. Yeah, yeah, but. But who cares? That's a whole nother podcast.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

So. So Johnny 5 or John 5, that. He's the big guitarist off of the Manson stuff. Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Later on. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

What would be the third?

[B]

I mean, Nine Inch Nails? Oh, oh, no, no. Pink Floyd.

[A]

The Wall. Oh, wow. Yeah. Out of all of them.

[B]

Yeah. Oh, for sure. That's. That to me, I think is the greatest album ever made.

[A]

Strong case for it. Strong.

[B]

It is just so incredible.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

And I love the concept album. Sucker for that. So. Yeah, no, I just. Yeah, I think that album is start to finish, just flawless.

[A]

It's a great record. It is an amazing record. I am a. I may. I'm team David Gilmore and we have seen. Sure, we have seen Roger Waters live. And so I can't sit there and be like, ah, like I'm not going to support this guy. I just. I just want any kind of Pink Floyd. But when it comes down to it, like hearing David Gilmore play the guitar rather than just some random other dude playing, you know, and. And it's not the same. So. No, out of all, I think out of all the Pink Floyd, I don't Dude, I'm. I might be one of the few people that's like. I thought. I think, you know, Animals is just. It's just. I think it's. I think it's, like, got some of their best music on it. That's not like the biggest hits.

[B]

Right, Right.

[A]

Somebody. David Gilmore's best guitar, too.

[B]

I would agree. Yeah.

[A]

I.

[B]

To me, it's not as, like, I have to be actively listening to that album. I can't just have it on in the background, like Dark side the Wall. Like, I can have that just on the background. I've listened to it so many times. Animals. I mean, you really have to be in the mood for that album, I think. But it is.

[A]

It is just so good mentioning those three, like, how, how and when. You never gave me age groups, too. So the Doors, I'm assuming, is early in your life. Seems like Doors, always a young man's game. They always get us.

[B]

When Doors is high school is whenever. Like, junior high, high school is whenever I really got into the. The Doors.

[A]

Okay. And then what about Marilyn?

[B]

Oh, six, seven years old.

[A]

It's.

[B]

Whenever I started listening to Marilyn Manson. Way too young. But, yeah, I was just, you know, I was a weird kid who was turned into a weird adult. But as a kid, I was just fascinated by anything dark, weird, evil, you know. And that was a guy who struck a. Struck a chord with me. So from an early age, and I was told not to listen to him. So you're immediately my brain like, well, I gotta find out why.

[A]

And, yeah, and this is like early, early Marilyn Manson, when he was gorgeous, he was a. He was a. An attractive goth demon man. And then when. When about Pink Floyd?

[B]

Pink Floyd is my entire life.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, like a lot of people, you know, I was exposed to most music through my parents. And my dad's a big Pink Floyd guy. And so here in Pink Floyd a lot, but not as much the Wall, I mean, obviously the hits, he likes those. But the Wall, I started kind of finding maybe junior high, high school as well, like, really listening to it, like, front to back, diving deep into, like, the meaning and everything. So it always was there. It just didn't start having as big of an impact until I was probably about, let's say, 16, 15, 16. So what.

[A]

Let's so not be. Not to say Derek and the Dominoes, but when was your first, like, hey, oh, who is this? And you're like, oh, this is Eric Clapton. You're like, oh. Because mine, I. I hate to say it was probably The Rush soundtrack, when he covered all of these, you know, and I'm not saying I didn't probably hear his music, but when it was like, this is Eric Clapton. He's having a moment. And he had a real moment when Rush came out. He did the Unplugged, he did Layla, you know, he did all this stuff in the acoustic shit, you know, it, it was, you know, years until I went back and heard why people consider him to be, you know, the, the expression Eric Clapton is God. I, I, it, I was like from the, the Tears in Heaven, dude. Nah. But yeah, you know. So when did you, when did he come into your life?

[B]

Oh, super young again. This is kind of like a, my young and dad showing me, because this album in general, I mean, Derek and the Dominoes, you know, my dad is, loves this album, loves Bell Bottom Blues, loves a lot of the songs. And so I was shown this album very young and of course probably didn't have a huge appreciation for it, but it was just always there. Like, I've never known a time where I didn't know these songs. But then over time I just start to get more of an appreciation. And then of course, growing up playing the guitar, you start looking for influence. I mean, hell, it doesn't take long before Eric Clapton becomes a pretty big influence for damn near any kid growing up playing the guitar. So, yeah, I would say. And then Cream, I mean, Cream I was a massive, massive fan of my whole life as well. Yeah. Just always, always Clapton. By the time I was a kid, Clapton already been around for 35 years, so he already was a almost like mythical figure in guitar, you know, world.

[A]

I mean, I mean, I love that you said it like that because it really is, it really is. Like what I love about Eric and I mentioned jazz earlier. He, he's like the Miles Davis of, of blues guitar, you know. Or British. British. Well, yeah, I don't want to, I don't want to just sub genre it. I want to say British blues guitar because obviously, you know, you could go back and we could. With the argument for the games. Yeah, but it's like I feel like, you know, out of everybody that came out, the Jimmy Pages, the John May, all, all the guys, I mean, Beck, Jeff Beck, like, he is, he's the Forrest Gumpy. Like, I mean, played in the Yardbirds. All this is on the, on my list, by the way. All of this I've either done already or is like, it's coming up, so, so every variation. The Yardbirds, you know, arguably we've Talked about with, with Wayne Federman, Fleece Army. We all know that He' then John Mayall in the Blues Breakers. And by the way, I did that with Federman. And because Federman's a. A big guitar guy, too. I did that with Joe. Joe Bonamasa.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, he's incredible.

[A]

He's the man.

[B]

He's good.

[A]

He's. He's the man. And. And that was a fun episode, if people haven't heard that one. Go back and listen. Then he forms Creed. Creed. Creed. Yeah, he go. He goes. Goes to the future. Forms Creed. Yeah, he's in the movie Creed.

[B]

It takes a 40 year break and

[A]

then takes a 40 year break, comes back, then goes back in time to form.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Cream, massive success. Then super group Blind Faith. And now this.

[B]

And in seven years.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, I had the timeline. I said, I have all the breakdowns. And I'm like, oh, I should have had the actual Yardbirds.

[B]

He joined in 63. And that's. That's his first, basically. First group of, you know, of any kind of note. And then Derek and the Dominoes. I mean, this album comes out. Was it October of 1970? October 9, I believe I'm not mistaken. Something like that.

[A]

Yeah. So. Yeah. So Yardbirds, Blues Breakers, Cream. That Cream implodes. November of 68. From the fame, the internal tension. Then he forms blind faith in 69, hates the super group Circus and bails. Well, they have one record. Then steps into a humbler role touring with Delaney and Bonnie and Friends. I don't know who they are.

[B]

Yeah, not. Not really very important.

[A]

Okay, good, good. Because I don't have much about them. Then good. Pulls Whitlock Rattle Gordon into his next project, which is Derek and the Dominoes. Now here's what's funny. Well, for. Hold on. Should I say what's going on in the world? Yes, yes, Josh. What is going on in the world when this happens? What is what? Ladies and gentlemen, I bet you're asking people that weren't alive at this time, like me in 1970 when this comes out. You keep this in mind. Beatles have just broken up in April. The Vietnam War. The protests are starting to intensify. You got Nixon as a president. The counterculture is turning dark. Where drugs are not fun psychedelic anymore. They are. Oh, people are dying. And then. And I didn't realize you were. These were back to back like this. Cody, like Jimi Hendrix dies in 1970.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And Janis Joplin dies in October. No, dies. Jimmy dies in September. Janice dies in October.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And then. And then the tides in music that are turning is Led Zeppelin threes just dropped. Black Sabbath just releases their debut record. The Rolling Stones are starting to enter their exile era. And you're starting getting the rise of, you know, that singer songwriter, even though it's great.

[B]

James. Yeah.

[A]

James Taylor, Carole King. And so blues rock once again. Yeah. I mean, it's all. It's all. It's. It's going into so many directions. It's kind of like, you know, with the Beatles breaking up, Jimmy dying and Janice dying, it's almost like Kurt Cobain dying and. And grunge being like, what do we do now?

[B]

Right.

[A]

And so now it's just like a bomb went off and just debris split everywhere.

[B]

And I think this is where it enters the greatest era of music of all time. Is as much as, like, the late 60s is incredible music wise. I think when after Hendrix, Joplin and you can say Jim Morrison, after those three died, music became astronomically better. Just overall, people started experimenting. More people weren't being tied down to, like, psychedelic blues. You could just. You could be like, traditional, but amplify it.

[A]

So interesting. So, so interesting. So you have. You have a emotion. Emotionally. Yeah, I'll say emotionally. Just erratic. Because I don't think Eric is an easy person to work with, probably. No. Yeah.

[B]

Not from what I've heard. Not. Or what I've read. I mean, it seems to be a cream. The fact that they were even able to last more than a couple of weeks is incredible. Without. All three of them seem to be massive.

[A]

He seems like he might be like. I mean, especially the. That came out later, like, when he gets up on stage and starts saying, like. You know, like, brown people are ruining England. Get the out of here. And like, it's like, jesus Christ, just play. But he's like, now cocaine.

[B]

Yeah. There's a. Now's a cover from Bob Marley.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. It's like. It's like, we need to stop immigration because they're ruining white England.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

If you wanna be bound you gotta bomb it on cocaine.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That would be the perfect song. And now there's something very white and pure that will. That if it is darker, I would never put it up my nose. If you wanna be my own you gotta set him song.

[B]

Yeah. Clapton definitely has some demons because he at one point was chugging three bottles of brandy a night, bro.

[A]

I know. I know that. We did one of the first records that I did. I did it with Satriani. Was. It was the. It was one of my Favorite songs is off of it.

[B]

It's.

[A]

Oh, God Damn it. It's like 8, 4, 5, coastal highway or something. It's the.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

It's got. It's got mainline Florida on it, which I think is all, like, stop me in my tracks. Like, holy. It's in my top 10 songs that I've heard specifically from doing this podcast. And it's his guitar solo and dude. And in it, he's doing as. He's soloing too. You can hear him. So, you know. You know, we love that. We love when you can. You can mouth your solo. Yeah, He's. Dude. But it's all cocaine. This is heroin. This is heroin clap. And not only is this heroin clap, this is what we have talked about, Cody. If. If. I mean, God damn it. I wish you'd probably know it because, you know, the pop culture. I don't know why I'm saying it like that. This is a story of, once again, Patty Boyd, the golden. The golden.

[B]

No, no, Troy.

[A]

I mean, no woman has had more songs written about her than. I mean, that's real. That's a human being. Like, that's an actual human being. I mean, I'm assuming, like, you know, in the. Back in the day, like, Mozart was like, this is another sonnet for as.

[B]

Asmerelda or whatever the Duchess of whatever the.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This is for someone that was into the Duchess of whatever the.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's like, if you don't write this song for me, you would be beheaded. Like, this is. This is literally just some. I'm. Dude. Alex, do me a favor. Can you please pull up a picture of Patti Boyd? Because I want us both to look at. At how attractive. She's not. Not good looking. She's a good looking chick.

[B]

Yeah. But not what you would imagine, someone who had this kind of pull on, you know, I mean, she had an absolute death grip on George Harrison and Eric Clapton, amongst others. You know, you would think you'd be looking at like, Sophia Loren or something.

[A]

I'm gonna write, why was Patty Boyd so special?

[B]

I mean, she kind of looks like one of the Manson family chicks. Like, it's. That. It's not like, you know, she's not

[A]

even. Not even one of the Manson family chicks in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, right? You know, the Sydney Sweeney's, the Maggie quality, whatever. Like the real ones. The real who looked like they look like, you know, like, you know, like sociology teachers and like. Well, no, here's the deal. She. I'm looking at some pictures this is fine.

[B]

Actually, no, never mind. I think I might have been thinking of Linda McCartney.

[A]

No, she's not, but she's not.

[B]

I mean, she's pretty hot.

[A]

Yeah, keep going, keep going. From different pictures I'm looking at, there's one where she looks like Goldie Han. Yeah, scroll. Yeah, that one. That's the same one that was just zoomed in on her hat. That's Alex is really into. Into fashion.

[B]

Zoom in on the beret.

[A]

Loves berets. I've got. There's a good one. There's a really good one of her looking like, with these curls in her hair. There is. Yeah, dude. Oh, get an old one, too.

[B]

Yeah, I was gonna say that one. Mickey. Roar.

[A]

Hey, guys, all holes are on the table. You know me, good old padded boy. Yeah, all my wiring ain't working up there, so you can just cream pie all you want. Hey, how you doing, Ginger Baker? Get in here. I'll suck your dick too. Oh, you don't want me to do. All right, Eric, I'm just gonna stay in this little hole with you. She sounds like Sling Blade. She's like, all right, everybody.

[B]

I reckon

[A]

every time you do cocaine, you can't make your dick work there. Eric, please hurry up. God damn, I'm sick and tired of George. He's got goddamn smells like knock champa all the time.

[B]

Damn Hardy Christians. Yeah, I'll tell you what, man. Petty Boyd's pretty damn hot.

[A]

She is hot. But, but, but, yeah, but. I mean, but are we talking enough to have. We know, obviously, Alex, you know the history. I'm assuming any of the die hard people that have been listening to this podcast. Anybody in the fleece army. But for anybody that doesn't know, and we will explain this because she is the reason this album exists. This is literally an album what I would call therapy. This is like therapy for. For Eric Clapton. This is him. You know, I love you so much that I wrote a double album instead of I started a fake band and I wrote a double album about. About my best friend's wife. And I'm gonna invite Dwayne Almond over to shred. He's not in the band, though. But he is gonna play on 90 of the record and he's gonna be. But this is a love letter to my friend's wife. Also, I'm high on cocaine and it's pretty soon I'll be on heroin. But I like to start high and then move low. This is. This is I'm Fine written in flames. That's what this record Is. And it doesn't sound like that when you think about it, because it really. It's the same of, like, reggae music where it sounds very positive. You know what I mean? Where it's like. It sounds like it's a song about, like, laying on the beach having a red stripe. But, you know, really every reggae song is like, you know, misa Filioma killed my entire family. But it just sounds positive. Positive.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So this is a darky. This is a. That didn't come out right. This is a dark album.

[B]

A little.

[A]

Yeah. Sorry, guys.

[B]

Yeah. Characters a little too much, I think.

[A]

Yeah, dude, I'm going. I'm going full. Going full meta. So she is. If you don't know who Patty Boyd is, she was a model in the 60s. She was in Vogue. She met George Harrison on the set of A Hard Day's Night. She's blonde. She's perfect. Pre. They said ethereal, almost. Pre. Raph. Raphaelite. Is that Raphael?

[B]

It.

[A]

I don't know if that's a word. Raphaelite. What does that mean? Do you know it? I don't know. I've never. I mean.

[B]

Well, I assume they're referring to Raphael, the Renaissance painter. And so they're, I guess, referring to, like, the way they would paint women before the Renaissance, whenever they used to paint women in more of a kind of mystical way instead of super surreal, realistic. Look at you. Look at you.

[A]

Cultured. Pretty good, dude. Pretty good. Hey, Alex, pull up a picture of a Patty Boyd next to a Raphael painting so we can take a look at that. Okay. And put a nice. And put. When you play it. When you put those pictures up, play Claire de Lune by Claude Debussett.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

I think that would go well with it. I think that would go well. And maybe do it in editing if you don't have the time. Yeah, we like to. We like to. We on set, it's all low budget, but we go Roger Corman after the fact. You know what I mean? We'll. We'll do what. We'll do what George Lucas started doing and just like adding yetis just in the background.

[B]

Is Roger Corman the. The peak of that?

[A]

No, I just saying, like, it's all low. I should have said Robert Rodriguez will go 10 minute film school. We'll shoot and then we'll just move the camera instead of zooming in because we don't have enough money for the lens.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So she is what. What they say they embodied the English rose. Which is. Which is the. A look at the height of the Beetle Mania, which a lot of us will never understand because we weren't alive during it. But you didn't know that. Beetle Mania is as crazy. If you take whatever Michael Jackson experience and magnify that by 10 and then you'll get. You'll get what? What Elvis and the Beatles experienced. Yeah, Taylor Swift, maybe Michael I think hit a level of that.

[B]

For sure.

[A]

For sure, man.

[B]

But I don't think anyone did. I don't think. I don't even think Elvis hit the level. The Beatles, I mean the Beatles had to stop performing live because of how bad it got. I mean that's that, you know, Elvis kept performing until he, you know, ate himself to death. Like it.

[A]

You know it.

[B]

And so did Michael Bonkers himself. Slept himself to death, but you know it. But the Beatles were basically like, no one can hear us. What's the point of this? And then quit. Quit performing?

[A]

No, because of it. I mean the Beatles different times will never understand it. There, I mean, dude, there were like three television channels, like five radio stations. If you had a song on the radio like you were the. You could go from being dude back. I mean it back in the day as a comic. If you did the Tonight show, you could sell out a theater the next day. Oh, you got a good enough set. So. So it says we'll never understand that. But that's what's so cool about something like Eric Clapton where he could, you know, without Internet with just. Just in write ups and music and. And being co signed by other bands of wow. He how he could get so big. But then you also understand, it's like did. Did everybody know how hot this chick was? Was she like the. The Kim Kardashian? Yeah, dude. Oh man, look at that. Yeah, dude, I'd pay for that. Girl in the left's only fans.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, okay, I'll go.

[A]

I go Patty Boyd first. I hope she has a collab with her though. Do it.

[B]

That'd be nice. Oh no.

[A]

Patty. Yeah, dude, Patty's hot. She's hot.

[B]

Yeah, I don't. I, you know, I take back everything I said earlier about her. No, she is very odd. There's nothing Manson family about her. She's.

[A]

She's one. She's once upon a time in Hollywood. Manson family.

[B]

Yes, yes, yes, yes. She's closer to Sharon Tate actually, if interesting.

[A]

Yeah, I see that. I do see that. But is she hot enough to have. And let's just. I'm just gonna name some of the hits something by George Harrison. One of the Best, most romantic Beatles songs probably played at. At a million weddings. Layla in particular. But the entire record is all. This whole record is about her.

[B]

Right?

[A]

Bell Bottom Blues by Clapton. Wonderful tonight. See, this is not normal to be.

[B]

This is Here Comes the Sun. Wasn't that also written about her?

[A]

Probably.

[B]

I. I mean, I believe so. I may could be wrong about that.

[A]

No, no. Hey, dude, you're. If. Are they already together? Because if they're already together, then yeah, dude, I wouldn't be surprised if he called his dick Norwegian wood when he saw her. You know what I mean?

[B]

That's good.

[A]

You know, who knows?

[B]

Dude was weeping for a different reason. Yeah.

[A]

Hey, Alex, clip this. Make sure the guy that does the clips gets the Patty Boyd shit. If I see them put up what, what his. What he thinks about the record on this. Get our comedy. No, no, no. But it's like these funny clips and then occasionally I'm like, oh, that's perfect. And then they'll put up. Like, they'll put up. You know, Eric Clapton was the most proficient guitar player in the bed. The way he banned my band, I'm like, no, talk about Patty Boyd's.

[B]

Yeah, pbs.

[A]

Pbs. We make merch. Pbs.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

This isn't normal, dude. This is. This is something like. This is like. Let me tell you something. It's like most people are lucky if someone writes like a drunk voicemail rights. Performs a drunk voicemail for you. I love you. You're great. She is on the Mount Rushmore of golden pussies in the world. Because when you have. You have multiple genius level singer songwriter. Singer songwriter. Songwriters obsess over the same person. It creates what I would call the mythology upon mythologies. And I mean it's. I'm looking over things that people say about her. She was. She was warm, encouraging, creative. She was into photography. She's not chasing fame. Often overwhelmed by. Oh, so she was probably like. No, just you go to the screening. I'll. I'll stay home. You know, just with this marinating for you. It's always. It's always at 85 degrees with a nice breeze right in there. Come on.

[B]

Pardon me, I have to ice my.

[A]

Yeah. Oh. Oh, goodness gracious, Eric. What a beautiful, beautiful, beautiful song you've written about me. You get five minutes with the opens her legs. Oh, it's. It's like the. It's like the suitcase from Pulp Fiction. Are we good? Oh, we're good. Are we good or we're good? I never had one of them. Forbidden element, they said so. So I Think. You know, also keep in mind, why. Why would Eric, who has a relationship with George. They are best friends.

[B]

Very, very close friends. Yeah. Like brothers.

[A]

Brothers playing on each other's things. They are. They're making. They were. They probably were making each other better in songwriting. And it's like, oh, look what I wrote. Oh, but you will see what I wrote. They were probably in a. A light. A light. Not. Was a duel. But, like, what do you.

[B]

You're, like, competitive.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Competition, but competition. Like a friendly competition.

[A]

Friendly. Very, very friendly.

[B]

Each person builds each other up by being better than the other.

[A]

Yeah, I think. But I think for. For him. Her to be married to George, there is like a danger. There's a. There's got to be in this emotional tension. And. And then the rivalry. That was it. The rivalry. And. And by the ultimate, you can't have this. And I mean that for someone like Clapton, who has gotten everything he's ever wanted because of how talented he is, and he's got people sucking on his balls, you know, about how great he is. And then he starts reading, which is where we get the title of this record, everybody. He starts reading. Layla and Mansion. I had that broken down. I know what that is. I think it's like a. It's. It's like. They're poems.

[B]

It's a poem from the seventh century. Well, series of poems from the. Yeah. Seventh century India.

[A]

Get it on audiobook.

[B]

Nizami Ganjavi, I believe, is the poet who wrote him.

[A]

But. Oh, he's great.

[B]

Rest in peace. Yeah.

[A]

Oh, he died. Oh, yeah. I'm gonna see if he wanted to do a record coming up. Yeah, tell me. Tell me about Madge. None. Yeah, tell me, where was your head at when you did Magnan? Okay. Because Clapton reading this and seeing himself as a doomed romantic hero, okay. So that's basically what it is. And he goes, that only works if the love is impossible. Which it was. Or at least. Well, no, it wasn't, because.

[B]

No, it was very possible, actually, because if.

[A]

Because if Pat. Yeah, dude. Because if Patty is single and, like, working at a coffee shop. This is a different record.

[B]

Yeah, this is like a. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, completely different. I mean, this is a Jackson Brown record.

[A]

Yes. And. But also, you know, look at what. Look at what Clapton's dealing with that would make him push him to do this record, which is. He's burned out from Cream. He is. You know, he's not into the fame. He's. He's reading this old shit. So he's searching for meaning. He's sliding into heroin use. You know, he is emotionally all over the place. And what happens when somebody becomes spiritually adrift? I would say, you know, they. They try to feel grounded. You know, it. The. The need to feel grounded becomes amplified. And, you know, I think. I think what he saw was that what would make him. I mean, I'm putting. I'm putting thoughts and words and what. In what I would think is that Patty Boyd was that. Was that grounding that he needed, you know, And. And so he goes, all right, well, this is what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna write this. I'm gonna write a double album. Yeah, let's talk about it. Let's talk about the music. Let's talk about the record. Because it's. It really is good, man. This is a great album. It.

[B]

I'd say it's been a while since I've actually gone through this album, you know, start to finish. It is so damn good From. From start to finish. Like, it's just absolutely phenomenal. The production, the songwriting, his. His playing, Dwayne Allman's playing, just so good. God. Kind of forget. Kind of forget just like that. This album isn't just Layla and Bell Bottom Blues.

[A]

Yeah, but those are. Those are, oh, so good. And I mean, what's really cool, too, is that. Is that it's. It's a very. It's 14 tracks. It's. And it's a longer album, I would say. Like, I'm a. I'm a put on. Put onto the gym. And it's like, it might be. It might. Sometimes I can get through it if I'm there for a while, but it really isn't a hard listen, and it really does showcase. I mean, just, you know, from. From the opener. It's a soft opener, almost hopeful. Like, it's almost like, you know, I wrote melodic, I wrote deceptively calm. One of the lyrics I wrote down, I tried to soothe you, but I guess I didn't know how. It's like he's trying to be cool

[B]

to her,

[A]

but it. But instinctually, like, he's, like, spiraling, because I think we're going to start getting that. As you start getting deeper and deeper into the record, it's almost like. It's almost like this is, like, the progression, the way this record goes, of him falling into love and the pain that he's dealing with, which is then ultimately, you know, Layla, you got me on my knees. Like, I mean, which is probably the. That's the Kick in the dick. Have you ever. Have you ever, like, in, you know what? Have you ever tried to play it cool while internally, like, spiraling out?

[B]

Yeah, that's 90 of my life.

[A]

Nice.

[B]

Is me internally just having a, you know, full on breakdown, but just trying to keep it, you know, like a duck, you know, calm on the surface. Below, little feet are just paddling away. That's. That's pretty much me at all times.

[A]

When have you. When is. When is the biggest freak out that you've had where you've had to, like, keep it together?

[B]

I mean, I've had, like, relationship issues where boy got pretty rough. Like, you know, being cheated on. That'll do something to you. That'll just make you want to, you know, rob a bank and flee the country. So, yeah, I've had some moments like that where I had to just say, yeah, I just get it together. But it was not happening.

[A]

Have you ever had like a. You know, because I'm just going into like Bell Bottom blues or something like that. Have you ever had a. Because that's. Because Bell Bottom Blues is basically. It's directly about Patty where he's basically begging her to choose him. It's so funny. And I might have talked about this on the pod. I don't know if I did, though. But it was like I hadn't really had a crush on a girl in a while. And then recently I met some girl on a dating app and we started hooking up and. And it just got like, you know, it just got. It was nice. And it was like we. I mean, we hung out for like a month and a half and then fine. And it was like all like, love bombing and not love bombing, but, you know, I can't wait to see you. Or you'd be like, hey, can you hang out tonight? She'd be like, no, I can't tonight, but how about two nights from now? And I'd be like, perfect. And then. And then the second I caught feelings, it was just like she pulled away. And it wasn't like I did anything.

[B]

Yeah, just.

[A]

But it was. But it just happens. And I think sometimes those hurt worse than the long relationships that end. Because when the long relationships end, you can remember the hits, but you're still thinking about, you know, the best way to put it. This guy, James Maddern said it, he goes, in a breakup, man. It's like, yeah, you'll think appetite for destruction, but just know, it turned into Chinese democracy. You know what I mean? It's like, yeah, it's like it's hard to get through. You got a couple good things at the end. But it wasn't right. Wasn't a sweet child of mine. You know what I mean?

[B]

It's.

[A]

It becomes. You know, nobody can sing. I actually like better. I don't know why I'm on that. And it hurts. It hurts. And I mean. And it's. And I couldn't even imagine, like, what Clapton is probably going through. I mean, even now, it's like this. That girl that. That just ended me. She's. She's doing a play, and it ended completely amicably. It didn't end bad at all. It's not bad at all. I unfollowed her just because I was like, I don't want to keep looking at her. And then. And then. But then I would check every day. I'd be like, let me see your stories or whatever. She's an actress. And then we. And then she just unfollowed me recently. I'm like, oh, no. Did I. What did I do? Probably nothing. But she probably saw that I unfollowed her, and so she. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But she. I mean, she ended it.

[B]

True. Yeah.

[A]

So. So. But then she's got a play coming up. I'm like, do I go to the play just to support.

[B]

Hell, no, you don't.

[A]

Damn it. I want to support. I don't want to. Boo it. Boo. This is why you left me for this.

[B]

Other people.

[A]

You can't. That was terrible.

[B]

That would be a good time. Just show up with a bushel full of tomatoes and have at the.

[A]

Yeah, I bring Patty Boyd with me now. Like, take a look who I'm with. See, this old. Well, one time.

[B]

You ever heard of Layla, you idiot?

[A]

Absurd. Bell bottom blues.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

You don't even know who Eric Clapton is. Oh, Jesus Christ. They're like, is. They're all Gen Z. They're like, who's Eric Clapton? Yeah, you know, for. You know, Layla from Goodfellas. What's good, fellas? Oh, I've only seen Dune in Dune 2.

[B]

Yeah, he's the only Benson Boone, for God's sakes. There.

[A]

I've only seen one Willy Wonga, and it's the Chalamet. No, not even the Johnny Depp. Jeez, you always ask somebody when they're younger, what color of Michael Jackson did you get?

[B]

Yeah, I got pure white. I got snow white. My.

[A]

How old are you?

[B]

32.

[A]

Okay. Yeah, I'm 46. So there's a difference. Like, yeah, of like, I got black Jack I saw the whole evolution.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, for sure. No, I did not. He was already creepy and white by the time I got to him.

[A]

What is the most dramatic romantic move you've ever made?

[B]

Oh, I mean, I would have to really think about that one. I don't know if I really ever done anything just like, you know, super romantic, you know, I like to do, like, just a lot of little things. Things and just do them all the time. Like, I've never really done, like some big grand gesture. Yeah, I'll pay for, like, you know, go out to, like a Red Lobster or something. I won't make her, you know, split the tab, which I think's pretty gentlemen.

[A]

Yeah, well, you know, maybe you have that ultimate feast. That's on me, girl.

[B]

Well, little does she know, I had gotten gift cards, you know, previous Christmas.

[A]

So.

[B]

Yeah, no, I. I don't know, man. I. I don't really have much. I just got a lot. Yeah, like I said, just like a lot of little things. Just. I feel like you should always be romantic all the time.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, you should, but I think there's, like. There's like above that thing where you, like. You step it up a little bit.

[B]

Oh, see, no, no, I. I go one level and then I stay that level forever.

[A]

Consistency, consistency.

[B]

I like that big consistency guy. I don't like to have a lot of waves, you know.

[A]

No, I like that a lot. I like that. I don't know, man. The most romantic thing. I mean, I used to make mixtapes for girls.

[B]

That's a good one. I've definitely done some stuff like that. I like making Spotify lists. That's my generation's version.

[A]

But yeah, not the same dude is making that. Making that. And I'm not talking about a CD either. I'm talking about talking about a tape. So you have to sit down and one tape to the next tape, or you play the thing and then you hit record on the thing. And I mean, God, I remember because it's always come out with like a hitter, like something big, and then you bring it down and then you build it back up. And I remember. I don't know if I opened with One in a Million by Guns N Roses for this girl I dated in summer camp. The first girl whose titties I ever touched. She lives in Australia. Oh, dude. Yeah, I talked to her not too long ago. Like, not. I mean, over 10 years at this point. But no.

[B]

All right,

[A]

you know. You know, code. I don't want to say no, but,

[B]

you know, but you Just did.

[A]

No, I didn't. I didn't say anything. I. I don't. I don't. I don't. Look, look, it's. It was on. It was on Zoo, not Zoom. It was on FaceTime many years ago. There's pixelization back then. This is iPhone. I think this is still the thumbnail.

[B]

The.

[A]

The thumb. IPhone, maybe where you need to, like, you know, open it up the screen. So. Yeah, the camera's not as good.

[B]

That's. Yeah, that's fair.

[A]

I'll give her that. But honestly, probably not, but. No, she was beautiful. She was beautiful. And I'm assuming still is. She's. Well, she's in Australia, which means that they. They have. They're very attractive when they're young, but because of their. Spend so much time in the sun that they don't realize that they're aging themselves horribly.

[B]

Yeah. Paul Hogan effect.

[A]

Oh, dude. I mean, talked about. Turned into a leather handbag, bro.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

You know what I mean?

[B]

Yeah. Like. Yeah, yeah. Like a keeper kind of stuff. Yeah.

[A]

Sun's the enemy, everybody. I don't know if you know that the sun is the enemy. Spf. Worse than smoking and drug. Well, drugs will level you, but, you

[B]

know, it depends on if you're able before you die. Then you will live forever. Iggy Pop. Although me? Yeah, bro. Yeah, bro.

[A]

I do. You do as much cocaine as I did in my 20s, in my early 30s. It's like CrossFit for your heart, dude. Like, you're. My heart is stronger than the average man's because you put it through so much and then opiate use. My liver had to process all that acetaminophen for many years.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, and the fact that it didn't fail, it hardened. It hardened.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yours is due. So is Eric Clapton's Patty Boyd.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's like P90X. I don't know if you remember that fad, but. Yeah. You were doing P90X on your liver and heart. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. My blood pressure's high. Oh, well, everybody's is, right?

[B]

Yeah, I guess.

[A]

I don't know. What do you think?

[B]

Pretty good.

[A]

Yours is good.

[B]

120 over 73, last time I checked.

[A]

That is pretty good. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. And I'm a big son of a. So, you know, it should be really bad, but it isn't, so I don't feel the need to lose weight because of that.

[A]

Why don't. But you never thought about doing, like, Bonjaro or anything?

[B]

No. God, no. I'd rather be a, you know, Fat bastard. Than look like how these people are turning out. Good Lord. I mean, they look absolutely horrible, most of them.

[A]

Have you seen? I don't. Not on her at all. But.

[B]

Yeah, the.

[A]

The. The Osborne ladies.

[B]

Yeah, it's. It's bad. I mean, really, really bad.

[A]

That's like. That's a crazy. I mean, it's Kelly especially, like, because. Because. Because Sharon has, like. She did what my mom did, which my mom got. Got teeth at the end of her life.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You know what I mean? And. And so they're just bigger than they probably should be.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And. And then she's on Manjaro, so it like, swallowed her face up. But it's not nearly as bad as the Osbornes. And dude, Kelly is just like, unrecognizable.

[B]

I saw from like the British Award, Brita Awards, whatever they call it. It's like, holy hell. Like, somebody's gotta just, you know, like how somebody not sit you down and say, hey, you know, we gotta cut this out.

[A]

Well, in. In defense. In defense. I mean, they did lose. They did lose. The. The.

[B]

The.

[A]

The dad who's probably, you know, his whole family, he held everything together for sure.

[B]

Yeah. It's understandable. She is a family of her own. You know, you think you gotta just say, well, I'll. I'll put. I'll. Sometimes you just gotta bottle everything up.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And just move on. Keep. Yeah.

[A]

But also eat. You know, that's why Jews do death. Right. We do shiva. So everybody brings us food, so they force us to. Are you eating? Are you eating? That's always eating. Oh, dude, you said five days with the immediate family. You cry it out. Everybody comes and visit you and. And you get. That's why it's like a Jewish person dies. You get them in the ground with like, in like a day or two, and then you just. You mourn and. And it forces you to get it all out. And it's not saying it's easier or, you know, doesn't make it any. But it helps. It helps that.

[B]

That idea, though.

[A]

Yeah. That way it's even like a. Like in anything. Like, anything. Any real tragedy. And you're like. Whether it's a breakup or, you know, it's like a loss of a job, if you just ignore it and do drugs or whatever, drink, you're just. You're just prolonging what's eventually going to get worse and worse and worse. It's like being on drugs for a while and then you're like, all right, I'm off now. And you're like, oh, well, now you've been at. You were talking about quitting seven years ago, but now you've been on opiates for seven years. So this is going to be a detox.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And so that's. That's even what happened with me with Certain Deaths. But that's. That's a whole. Another podcast. Let's keep going with some of these songs. What are your highlights? Besides, we get to. Besides we get to the chunk. What are the ones that stick out for you?

[B]

I think. Well, the one that has always been my favorite song on the entire album, which I do. So there's Greatest versus Favorites. I have that with, like, movies. You know, like, my favorite movie isn't necessarily what I think is the greatest movie. Same with this album. Like, Layla is the greatest song. It's arguably one of the greatest songs ever written.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

But my favorite is Bell Bottom Blues.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah. It has, like, a sentimental kind of thing because just, you know, I might hear my dad play all the time when I was a little kid a bit, like, kind of has, like, a nostalgia to it, and I just think it's written. It's so perfectly written. The. Yeah, I love it, man. I could listen to that song every day. It just is so good. God, I love it. Whereas Layla, it, like, takes a lot out of you, kind of. It's like one of those songs almost like a Bohemian Rhapsody, but I'd argue even better. But that's. That's. That's my favorite, probably. Or Keep on Growing. Keep On Growing, I think is.

[A]

Oh, I love Keep On Growing. It's optimistic for a guy falling apart. Ironically, growth theme is growth through chaos is what. This is what the song is about. Keep on Growing. Let's do a question. Like, you know, you built, like, such a huge platform for yourself. Like, what was the moment that you saw it, like, turn. That you were like, just. So this is something I'm just gonna do for fun. To. Holy. This is. I can do this the rest of my life. And this is a career. Yeah.

[B]

Well, I started having some people start, like, sharing posts that I was doing because for a long time, nobody watched any of this stuff, and I didn't really care. I was just. Yeah, again, you know, just doing it for fun. I figured I'd have a day job my whole life.

[A]

And what was your day job?

[B]

I was a substitute teacher, a history teacher. And then I was going to become a teacher, like an actual, like, high school history teacher. And then I think the big one was, like, Rogan. Sharon. Like a bunch. A bunch of clips and stuff. And I was like, whoa. Like, that's. That's kind of crazy. And then. And it just kind of blew up, you know, quite a bit from there. And it wasn't just him. It was like a lot of people, like, pretty notable people. I was like, holy. Like this. It's kind of coming. Coming out of nowhere. And then. Yeah, just. It started just getting like bigger and bigger and has worked out decently well.

[A]

Would you say that was the Rogan. What did he share? What was the thing that he shared?

[B]

I don't remember. It was. It was a long or. I mean, decently long time ago. But yeah, he just shared one of the little like reels, you know, one of those little daily reels that I post of like history or whatever. And yeah, he just happened to share one and then it like a. But that one got tons of. Of views and so like a bunch of followers and all this stuff. And I didn't really care about stuff like that a whole lot. But then whenever you see that number, you know, wow, that's kind of crazy. Like, what just happened? Like, where'd that come from? And then you see that. Well, that's. That's something. And. But I try not to really think about it all that much. I just kind of keep doing. Keep doing what I'm doing.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, it's. What a. Incredible. Like, I mean, that's so cool just to be like, I'm just gonna do this for fun. I mean, that's how every. It's supposed to always start. Yeah. Where it's like, oh, I'm just gonna do this for fun. And then the next thing you know, you're like, oh, holy. Like, this is a. Not just do people love it, but it's like, yeah, that's awesome, man.

[B]

Yeah. It's like the best advice I ever have received was like, whenever I just didn't really know what to do with my life, I remember someone told me, find something that you love doing and figure out a way to make money doing it.

[A]

And.

[B]

And I thought, okay, like, well, and I. I just. I've always loved like finding little weird bits of information from like history, pop culture, whatever, and just telling it to people. Like, I would just do that to try to make myself seem interesting, I guess, you know.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

As like an end. And so. Yeah, so I just started doing it. It's like a. You know, little videos. And so far it's kind of worked out sort of.

[A]

Well, good for you, man.

[B]

Thanks, man.

[A]

That's amazing. Especially when it's just like, oh, this is like, I don't expect it. I'm have to teach these shitty kids the rest of my life. And then you're like, well, you know what, you guys.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, I'm. I'm fully aware that it could all just disappear tomorrow and I'll go right back to it, which would be fine. You know, I, like, I kind of enjoyed doing the teaching thing, you know?

[A]

But also, you're getting, like, incredible guests too, buddy. Like, you really are. Like, is that all through you, or do you have a booker? Like, we have a booker. Big shout out to our. To our booker, Emily. She's the best. I mean, because I went through my list of people. Are people reaching out to you? Are you reaching out to them? Oh, and then, you know, and then also, you're getting great porn stars, too. It's like, good God.

[B]

And pretty relentless, I guess, when it comes to. I just have always kind of had the mentality that, why not just ask? Like, what's the worst that could happen? And so I just started doing that as soon as I started a podcast. So. Well, I'll just start asking people. I mean, well, they'll either say no or they'll say nothing or they'll say yes. And that's kind of been the mentality. Yeah, I don't have a book or anything. I don't have anybody. I mean, it's just. Just me that does.

[A]

Keep doing what you're doing, dude. Keep doing what you're doing, and, you know, you'll. You will be fine. You will be fine. And. Oh, dude, you'll never have to leave Texas ever.

[B]

That's the dream.

[A]

You can keep eating. No, Manjaro, just. They're gonna remove you from the house. Like Gilbert Grape's wife. Mom.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Or Brando.

[A]

Maybe they were. I don't know.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, that. That is kind of the dream. You know, the ultimate dream is just to kind of live in my. My place and do my thing and. And not worry about anything else, you know?

[A]

God, I don't wanna. I don't want to have to leave this apartment ever. I just want to. I want to grow my fingernails long and my toenails long. Howard, Come on, dude.

[B]

Piston and Mason jars. That's a dream come true as well. Watching the same movie over and over.

[A]

I used to. I used to have to pee in a jug because I had to use my roommate's bathroom. I had to walk through his. His bathroom to Walk through his room to get to the bathroom.

[B]

Right?

[A]

And. Yeah, I don't. You know, I. It's. It is what it is. It is what it is. I had a jug of pee, and then I wrote a song about it.

[B]

Oh. And it was.

[A]

And it was great. It was a great song, dude. It was. It was two jugs of piss. Two jugs of piss. I can't walk through my roommate's room. Two jugs of piss. And it was about having to fill up these jugs instead of going into his room late at night when I should have just gone to his room. But it's also. It's the embarrassment of having to walk through somebody. You already feel shitty that you live in a house, that you don't have access to the bathroom other than going through something. Dude, I used to have birds come over, and a chick would have to, like, you know, sneak into some. Into, you know, Chris One liner. Big shout out to Chris.

[B]

He's a good dude.

[A]

I don't want to say he's not, but, you know, it is what it is. It is what it is. All right, what are we talking about, Josh?

[B]

We're so.

[A]

Let's. Let's. Let's talk about Layla. Let's talk about. And then we'll do Layla, and then we'll. We'll do the final, and we'll get you out of here. But, dude, like, is there. I don't want to. I don't want to bury the lead at the beginning. So let's talk about this. So just flat out, Layla, it is the best song on the record. It is probably the one. When you think of. Of Derek and the Dominoes, this is the song you think of. Everything else is complete second banana to this. Why is that? Why? I mean, is it. Is it. Is it. Is it the Albert King style riff? Is it the screaming? Is it the fact that it's all the emotion of what. Everything we've talked about and what Eric Clapton's going through being on heroin. Failed band. Failed bands. Fighting the way that he is. I mean, it literally is a man. Like, you got me on my knees. Like, he's pleading. This is the plea. He was like, if you didn't understand on the first 12 tracks, I'm gonna spell it out for you right now.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And he does not miss. Everything about this song is incredible, I think, man.

[B]

It's the power behind it. Now, obviously, there's kind of a part one, part two of the song, but the part one of the song, the just the. I mean, it hits you right in the stomach from the beginning with that riff. And actually, when you're listening to this album all the way through in order, Layla comes out of nowhere. Because none of these songs on the album sound anything like Layla. Like, they all sort of kind of have a similar feel to them. And there's no, like, you know, sort of catchy riff, like, none of that. It's just very traditional blues and then some, you know, sort of bluesy ballads. Then Layla comes. You get that, and you get that riff, and it just. I mean, you're running. It is full speed ahead. And I. I just think this song is so. It's so catchy, clever. It's got everything. And then, well, the way the song ends, you know, or second half of the song just makes it. It's one of the most beautiful pieces of music ever written.

[A]

Written by drummer Jim Gordon. Not Jim Gordon, the police commissioner at. In. Wherever. The.

[B]

Where's.

[A]

Where's. God? Thank God. Jesus Christ. I was gonna say. I was like, is that. Is that Arkham? Is he from Arkham?

[B]

Jason?

[A]

I'd say dark footnote. You go, here's something dark. Jim Gordon. You know about him? You know?

[B]

I do. Yeah.

[A]

He murdered his mother during a psychotic episode in 1983.

[B]

Yeah. So apparently he had paranoid schizophrenia pretty much his entire adult life. So while recording this album, was suffering from paranoid schizophrenia. And the main delusion that he would hear in his head was that his mother, basically, his mother was a. A monster, a demon of sorts, and needed to be killed. So one night, he finally grabbed a hammer and killed his mom. 1983. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and then he died a couple years ago in prison.

[A]

He was like this. My mom won't stop watching Gandhi. The movie is three and a half hours long. Can't watch Gandhi no more.

[B]

I know. I mean, he was probably on his way to kill Ben Kingsley afterwards, you know, situation.

[A]

Damn you, Richard Attenborough. You've taken my mom.

[B]

Yeah, it's. Yeah, it's a crazy story. And then it also. I mean, he wrote this piano piece. I mean, he's not just the drummer of the band. I mean, writes this piano piece that is basically the. The 20th century version of Fur Elise. Like, it's.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

It's probably the most iconic piano piece in modern music.

[A]

Okay, question. Question. Coming now. This is. This is two movie, guys.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

You know what's coming?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, you know. You know what the. Is coming.

[B]

Is it.

[A]

Are we. Are we saying that if it's not included in the. The Montage Death scene. Our whacking scenes of. Of Goodfellas. Arguably. Yeah, I think. I know. I don't think arguably. I think it is the greatest gangster movie of all time. Oh, 100. I think good. Godfather and Godfather 2 are, like. Are more. You know, these epic. You know, it's. That's more Gandhi, whereas, like, it's almost. You know what it is? It's like, Godfather is a better movie, but it's Alien. Aliens. Godfather's the better movie. Like Alien, but Aliens is way more fun, and Goodfellas is way more fun. And I think ultimately, when you talk about what is your favorite movie or what makes a movie great, it's like, yes. I mean, dude, I could watch out of Africa. I'm not gonna.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I've seen it once. I don't need to see it again.

[B]

Right, right.

[A]

And I'm like.

[B]

Like, for me, I think the greatest movie ever made is Apocalypse now, and it's one of my favorites of all time. But my favorite movie is Jurassic Park. I don't think it's the greatest movie of all time. Not even close.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

I just love the movie. And. And it's kind of. It's the same thing with Goodfellas and Godfather. I do think Godfather is a better movie as a movie, but if I'm picking which one to watch, I'm watching Goodfellas is every single time.

[A]

Every time. And I thought it's kind of boring.

[B]

I mean, it just sort of is, you know.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And you've seen it 10 times. Like, how many more times do I need to see this movie?

[A]

I always thought that was funny in film school, you know, the first day of a certain class, whether it was, like, iconography of. You know, we did, like, some of my favorite classes. We did, like, New Hollywood, which is like all the. The 70s and, you know, the. The. All the people that came from. Yeah. That. All the guys that came. That studied under Roger Corman, like Spielberg and.

[B]

Yeah, they all were under him. Under his umbrella.

[A]

Yeah, exactly. And so they knew how to make. And so it was really, like, the beginning of independent filmmaking. And I remember you have, like, a lot of, like, cool kids in the class, and you'd be like, what's your favorite movies? And everybody would just give you the list of, like, you know, the Pulp Fiction or the Forest Gump or the Right God, you know, the Godfather. Yeah. Shawshank. And I was like, I love Babe. I love, you know, the talking pig movie. It would be real. Road Warrior.

[B]

Yeah. Spinal Taps, Lost Boys is one of My favorite movies of all time. Young Guns. Also top. Top. Mount Rushmore. Favorite movies.

[A]

It's too bad you're. You won't leave Texas because Lost Boys is being turned into a musical here in New York. Cry, little sister.

[B]

You heard Mello Manson's cover of that incredible terrible. What

[A]

White Blood Will Rise

[B]

So much. It's dumb. But the whole movie's dumb. But I love it. I just. I love stuff like that. I don't like to pretend like I'm better than I really am, you know,

[A]

I love the main vampire when he goes. When he turns in the main virus, he goes, but I love you, Christine. I don't know if I said the right name, but he's like, but I do love you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The sexiest. The sexiest vampires ever. Even Alex Winter. Yeah, Alex Winter. And he had. He had the short hair and they just attached like mullet braids in the back all. Dude.

[B]

I mean, the saxophone player is just one of the greatest scenes in movie history.

[A]

Tim Capella. And have you heard the original version of that by a band? It's. There's the band Black Rebel Motorcycle Club. The bassist slash guitarist. His first father was in that band. They're called Billy.

[B]

I do know that it's the. You know, it's not his song, but I don't know anything about, like, the original or anything. It's.

[A]

Dude. Well, I don't even know the original version. It. The. The Virgin. It. It's a cabinet version. It's a. No, no, no. There's a. There was a. What is the band called? Hold on. I. I just want to get this in before I. It's. I still believe Tim Capella because the band is actually a song by. Wait, Tim Capella. God damn it. Now I'm on his IMDb page. This is not what I wanted.

[B]

No, that Won't be the place.

[A]

Lost Boy soundtrack. Now I'm like, really all over the place. Wait, it's written by Lou Graham from. Oh, the Call.

[B]

The Call.

[A]

Oh, the band is called the Call. They're from Santa Cruz, California. Michael Bean is the. Is the lead singer. His.

[B]

He wrote not.

[A]

No, no, no, no, no. Not that. Not. Not being who you would think is behind or Bayern, but it's really. It is being. He's hit the too, buddy. He is like. He really was good looking. And dude, he didn't get cast in Alien 3 and his life fell apart. Yeah. But they gave him. They gave him. And n.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So his son is Robert Levon Bean and he's the front man for Black River Motorcycle Club. And his father died in 2010. And I think in like 12, 13, 14, right around there, they did a benefit concert to honor his dad. And they. He played. The son played with his brother's band, another brother, his dad's band, the Call. And they covered. They did all of the hits. And it's like, like, so you really hear it. You're like, oh, it's really. It's much better without the sacks, the way that they do it. But I mean, talk about a throwaway moment in a movie that wasn't supposed to be anything that is actually just as important as any part of why we love the movie.

[B]

Yeah. Oh, 100. I think about. So good. So good. So weird. I mean, it only happens in a movie filmed or made in 1987. Look it. You know, it's just perfect.

[A]

Perfect. All right, so. So back to the. To the question is, are we. Are we putting this song, Layla in that category of one of the greatest songs ever with the piano outro if it's not In Goodfellas?

[B]

Yeah, 100%. I think it's. I mean, obviously it helps the song, but that song is incredible. No matter what, you know, no matter what it's connected to, it doesn't matter. That piano, you know, coda, I believe is the correct term. But yeah. And with Dwayne Allman's slide guitar in the background and just constantly building. It's just so perfect. It's so catchy, like, gives you, like that. That weird. Like it's, you know, itches your brain for you, you know, about music that does.

[A]

And I want to. I want to. I want to really big. No, we didn't talk about him enough on this episode. Is that Duane Allman really might be one of the greatest guitar players that's ever lived. Ever existed.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And he was. He's one of the Muscle Shoals guy. If you don't know about that, go back to the first episode we talked about that was probably Boz Skaggs when we did his debut record. Where there is. And if you want to hear something, listen to a song called Loan Me a Dime by Boz Skaggs, Dwayne allman. It's a 12. Either a 12 minute song or a 9 minutes. It's either a 12 minute song with a 9 minute guitar solo or a 9 minute song with like a 6 minute. It's just basically, it's a long song that Dwayne Allman steals. I mean, he just is. It's. He really is this incredible guitar Player that died way too young in a motorcycle accident. So, yeah, his slide work is in the. And then Layla. Yeah. This is about George Harrison's wife. We'd mentioned this. He's not subtle about it. He got me on my knees. He even played it for Harrison. What are you. Go ahead.

[B]

Does George Harrison know this at the time? Does he know that Eric Clapton wants to his wife and that he's writing an album about her?

[A]

I wish we could call somebody.

[B]

Wow. Well, George Harrison's dead, so unless you have a Ouija board, we're not talking to him.

[A]

No, hold on. Probably.

[B]

I don't know to what race, but yeah, probably.

[A]

So originally it was Patty.

[B]

Well, that's all. I mean, you're really. As long as you, you know, just leave your name out. I guess you can always, you know, plead the fifth. But good Lord, at some point, I wonder if George Harrison was sitting there listening to it, thinking, is this guy 1. Is this guy trying to my wife? Like, there's no way. And then George Harrison must have found out. And then for George Harrison, I guarantee you, he probably played this album for the rest of his life doing the Glenn Close thing from Fatal Attraction. Just turning the lamp on and off. Just so pissed.

[A]

I mean, I, I want. I, I, I. You know what I'm gonna do? All right? I know what I'm gonna do, because I wanted to do funny. This is a collection of. And I'm already kind of writing some of them. But it's like. Because a comedian told me that he goes, I have done more cocaine with this one comedian that is so opposite of him. And he goes, and we're not friends, and I've done more cocaine. This guy is. One guy's a rockstar comic. The other guy is a, like, host. Like a baking show.

[B]

Right?

[A]

You know, now. And he's like, and I've done more coke with that guy. He's like, I don't have his number in this. And I was like. And I was like, God, I would love to hear that conversation on the wall. And I was like. So I'm like, oh, that's so great to do. Two celebrities, like, real moments in time that we didn't realize where they had to have a conversation, you know? And it could be like. I was like, that'd be funny if, like, you know, like, like Tom Waits and, like, Robert Goulet had to sit down at a restaurant and have, like, a good Lord, have, like, a powwow. Because, you know, Goulet felt slighted by Tom Waits or Something just like this. I go, what was the conversation like when George is like, had we sat down by Eric? Because obviously, was he with Patty? Did she already know? Did she already know? Did he talk to her first? Like, how did this whole. Dude, there needs to be a fucking movie about. There was ever a fudgeing movie. Yes, this is the movie. Like, how do you not.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

How is there not more shit about this?

[B]

I don't. That is such a great point. How they never made a movie about just this. The making of this album. The connection between Clapton, Harrison and Boyd.

[A]

And I know why. I know why. Because Eric Clapton went racist.

[B]

We don't like it in the movie. So at all. Makes it even better, you know, but he's never.

[A]

Dude, he's not even code. He's not even a good guy. Even after his, like the fact that he won the. The Grammy. It. That just shows you how good that Unplugged was and how popular that Unplugged was. That it was like. Like. Let me check. Hold on. I want to see what else it was up against. Clapton Unplugged Grammys. Yeah. I mean, talk. Talk about a. Talk about a movie that. God, nobody gives a. About Rush. I remember it. Speaking of Lost Boys, Jason Patrick in it. Jennifer, Jason Lee. Do you remember that movie?

[B]

No, I haven't seen that movie in a long time.

[A]

I don't think I've ever even seen it, but I know it. I could tell you what happened in it. They're drug addicts that. They're cops that are drug addicts that have to do drugs so they don't get in trouble.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And dude, it had. Layla, had Tears in heaven. His son has fallen out of the goddamn thing.

[B]

The window. Yeah.

[A]

He won three Grammys. Became the best selling live record of all time. It's Clapton's best. It sold 26 million copies worldwide.

[B]

That is insane. What was before that? I guess Frampton Comes Alive. Probably.

[A]

Top selling. Could be that. It could be.

[B]

Maybe.

[A]

Which. But you know, that's not. That's not a full live record, right? They re recorded. I actually had. I had Paul Stanley on to talk about that.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Eric Clapton, 26 million next. Oh, not Frampton. Frampton comes in third.

[B]

Oh, hold on. Oh, wait. Okay. Oh, that's interesting. What would second be then, huh? I don't know. I'm blanking on what that would be. I feel like it's gonna be obvious.

[A]

It's gonna blow your mind.

[B]

Is it like a Garth Brooks horseshit? Nope. Yeah.

[A]

Chumbawamba Live at the Acropolis. It's Garth Brooks Double live album. 14 million copies in the United States, certified. 14 million sales make it a top contender in American history. Frampton coming in third. I was gonna say Brooks.

[B]

Holy.

[A]

Yeah. Wait, did you say that? And I didn't pay attention. Oh, sorry. I was thinking of the riff. I was like, that's too deep. Because I wanted to go with. It was actually. But I know if you would get it. Oh, yeah, I was. No, no, not. Not Chumbawamba. I was gonna go with. It was actually Tiffany. We're Not Alone Anymore. Live at the Acropolis.

[B]

Yeah. Oh, that's a good one. Good call.

[A]

Like, I think we're not alone anymore. Yeah, that riff was. It would have been good. And then some other notable ones. Live at Leeds, the who. We did that on this record. Allman Brothers Live at the Fillmore East.

[B]

That is top. Top tier live album.

[A]

And then Nirvana Unplugged. And I mean, I think any of those, like, runs. I. I think. I think the Alice in Chains Unplugged gets such a. It just should. It's just such a. It's just such a great record. It's such. And I think it. I think. Look, I get it. I get it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I get it.

[B]

Jams Unplugged is actually probably the best one out of the three, which I know is sacrilege, but.

[A]

No, I. Dude, it's apt. It's apt. I don't think it's. I don't think it's a thing. Dude, it's just. On porch alone. Yeah. And I mean. And you could sit there and talk to. I talked to Bill Burr about it, and he'd be like, yeah, that's such a. Stands on a thing and writes that. And I'm like, dude, that is so cool. And so, like, rock and roll. And I mean, they're. They're just. It's just. Yeah, it's. It's an important. It's an important, important moment for the band, I think. A moment. I think it's. I think it's what. When we were talking about the death of, like, Kurt Cobain, it's. That's another one of those moments where it just felt like music and rock and roll wasn't as dirty as the Motley Crue era. It was like, no, we're all encompassing for women and men and gays and straights and whatever. We don't give a. And then it all changed a couple years later when. When. When Jonathan Davis said the famous words.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Which I love.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Don't get me wrong. Don't get me wrong. All right. I have got it. Doesn't say fuck. Show the fucking. Who was nominated usually. I guess. It won for. God damn it. I just had it. It won for air Clapton won for album, song and record of the year. So let's do 90.

[B]

Yeah. Just look up what Grammy.

[A]

What Grammy I am. I was on 19. I was there. Hold on. Maybe. Maybe this is why. Maybe this is why. Maybe if I scroll down. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. Hold on. What year was that? 1993. Here we go. Okay, here we go. Tears in Heaven beat out what a year. Good God. Year, dude. Save the Best for Last by Vanessa Williams. Constant Craving by Katie Lang. Do love that song. Beauty and the Beast by Celine Dion. Oh, and Walter, who's my buddy, he wrote. He produced that multi. Multi million. Achy Breaky Heart is. Is the blah, blah, blah, blah. The other one. And then for album of the year. For album of the year 1993. It beat. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go with the ones that I. I'm. We already might have mentioned Anjanu. I'm tuning is Katie Lang's record.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Diva by Annie Lennox, which just so we know. I just want to make sure it has Walking on Broken.

[B]

Broken Glass. I thought that was that. Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

And I love. I love Annie. Don't get me wrong.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I. With Annie. The Beauty and the Beast soundtrack. And then here's the one. Here's the one that I. I think it's. I think it's. Man. I think it's their strongest record post Joshua Tree. I mean, I've been to the studio that they recorded it in in Germany. Actung Baby.

[B]

I think that should. That should have won. Well, Clapton album is really.

[A]

It's great. It's great. But it's like it doesn't. It's just a collection of his songs acoustic. Right. You know the rest. Not all of them are great. Actune baby.

[B]

Yeah. Octung babies. That. That should be the winners the as October baby. For sure.

[A]

It's so funny when you look at what one for album of the year and you're like, what. Or like what was nominated Bodyguard soundtrack.

[B]

What's the same doing that with the Oscars as well. Going back and looking like the 1980 Academy Awards. You're like, how in the hell. Like this doesn't make it. How are these movies nominated? Or, you know, babe. Speaking of babe, it was nominated for best picture in 1990. 5 Trust.

[A]

I know that, dude.

[B]

Trust.

[A]

I've defended that movie to people when I say it's one of my favorite movies. No, it's a great movie. It's a great movie.

[B]

But it's.

[A]

But, dude, it was. But it was also one of the best, dude. It's a. It's a classic. And, and it's perfectly well made. It's got a good message. And. And it's also, I think, you know, Christopher Noonan directed it, but really it's a George Miller movie. It's just everything about it. Don't get me started, bro. I'll die on this hill.

[B]

Is it.

[A]

Is it Full Moon Fever by Tom Petty? No, but it is. The Raw and Uncooked by Fine Young Cannibals. Still a great record. All right, where were we? Let me find my little skadoodle. All right, there's some more facts about this and we'll wrap this up. So the song was Based on a 12th century Persian love tragedy like we talked about. Layla, Man June.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So the man goes mad because he can't be with Layla. God. Jesus Christ. It's so funny. Clapped him like, reads that and he's like, dude, this is relatable.

[B]

Holy. Related to a thousand year old Indian fellow.

[A]

Before Man June. I'm man June, even though I'm not saying the name right. First half of the song is. Is basically, I think is. Oh, so maybe you tell me if I'm wrong. And I think the first half of the song is what he's going through. The raw, the aggressiveness, the. The pleading, the guitar driven anguish, just dealing with it. And then the second one is. Is like that. That fever dream of like. Or the reverie of him being with her and just like them, like running off and you know, it's all. It could be, either she's getting further and further away and it's just like he's standing there at the beach and it's just like she's on a boat, like waving goodbye and just kind of going backwards. Or it's just like them together and he just imagines him like. Like spinning in a circle. It's like rage into acceptance.

[B]

Right. I think, Yeah, I. I would agree. It does have that kind of garden. And torturing the guard still implies, you know, that this isn't. This didn't happen, you know, so it's like, I wonder if it is like an acceptance that this is just never gonna happen. And so it's like a. Almost like a. Because it is like kind of just this sad it's such a great mixture of like, you know, sad and happy melody with that piano piece.

[A]

It really is. And I mean, this is a song that once you find out about it, it's almost humiliating for Eric. Like, it really is. Like, it is a.

[B]

It's a.

[A]

You know, it is. It is. It's dramatic, it's messy, it's excessive. It's. It's sincere. It's like literally, like. It's like him yelling about Brown people at that concert in England. He's bearing his heart, he's speaking from his soul. Who would have known it was Layla and racism that would have driven everybody to get the real E. Yeah, it's, you know, and, and it's. And that's what's great. And then you put a incredible collaboration and, and then, you know, and. And it's not. It's not. It's not a big song right away. It's not.

[B]

It's.

[A]

It took a while for that song, it says to catch on.

[B]

Same for the whole album. The album was. Was considered a kind of a. A drop off for Clapton. It didn't really start picking up until a couple of years later when Layla started getting radio play.

[A]

Interesting.

[B]

Which I believe was like around 74. 74. It started like, real. It started spiking up because of Layla getting radio play.

[A]

What would be. What would be if the, The. The montage scene from Goodfellas is like. If we're building like a. You know, I don't. I don't want to take too much. Two more time, but it's like, is there something. Is there a better image to. To, you know, like, what would you think? What. Is there anything that tops that or anything that sticks out to you or equals that moment of like, where the song goes so perfectly with the image?

[B]

Oh, that is a tough one. No, I mean, there's definitely some classic ones. Like, I think Dazed and Confused, Waterson walking into the Emporium with Hurricane by Bob Dylan playing. I think it's just like a cool moment, but it's not. It's not as. As epic is, you know, the Goodfellas.

[A]

Maybe I. I'll throw one. But it's not. It's not nearly the same. It's another De Niro movie. The. The. The ending of Heat. Like the song is there. Like, I mean, it's not the same. I'm just. I'm like. But it's like, for me, I love that moment and I love that he chose that. That piano. Like that Moby song that no one Gives a about and no one really gave it a about. And it really just nails it.

[B]

I think Boogie Nights kind of with a. You know. I think there's actually a lot of moments in that. But the Night Ranger, Sister Christian, I think.

[A]

Oh, I would even said. I would even said the. The spill the wine in the party. When it goes. He goes. I mean that. Thank you for saying that.

[B]

Boogie really is. There's like five or six that it could be.

[A]

I think. I think Paul Thomas Anderson. I mean he. Dude, it's. It's. You know, I. Boogie Nights obviously is. Is in my opinion is his best movie. It's. And I think a lot of people. The real. It's the same where it's like there it's the alien. Aliens. There will be buds a better movie. But goddamn Boogie Nights is more fun and it's got so much more quotable. And I don't give a. I drink your milkshake is great, but dude. Yeah. I'm a piece of. I'm a idiot like that.

[B]

Will you be my mom? Yeah.

[A]

Oh, dude. Roller girl is like, I'm see her tonight. I'm. See Julianne Moore tonight. I'm going to love Rocks at. It's a benefit for. For the homeless that they do with the Beacon every year. And it's John Barbados tonight is Paul Simon. Paul Simon, Billy Gibbons. Who else? There's a whole bunch of people.

[B]

That's awesome.

[A]

Take me to church. Yeah, it's. Who else is there? Julianne Moore. Who's on the. But fucking. I'm gonna fucking yell out at Paul Simon and be like, you stole everything from Lady Smith, Black Mombazo and Los Lobos. It's true. Is it Los Lobos? Yep, I think it is. And you know what? All the fleece army, they're gonna respect that. I don't need to look up this. It's all pointless. What am I. What am I doing looking at the benefit. Hold on. Who's on there? Last year was Cher and Beck. Yeah, dude, you. You wanna. You wanna see something incredible? You see a. I see grown men going. Do you believe? Oh, here, look, dude. Susanna Hoffs.

[B]

Oh, man.

[A]

Elvis Costello, Goo Goo Dolls, John Batiste, Linda Perry, Mary J. Blige, Nile Rogers and Chic Preservation Jazz Band Trombone Shorty. Warren Hayes. The the comedy of J.B. smooth, Jeff Ross, Julianne Moore, Zarnagarg, Whoopi Goldberg. Yeah, dude, we've been. We've been doing this every year.

[B]

That's really good. Susanna Hoffs, man.

[A]

Dude. And they're gonna play the hits, dude, they don't around. And there'll be special guests too.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it'll be. Dude, it's like Billy Gibbons. You know he's doing that. You know, Elvis Costello does Oliver's Army. Oh, I hope he does. I hope he does. This song from Notting Hill, Linda Perry for sure is doing. What's the only song that people know by Four non Blondes.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Mary J. Blige. Lots to choose from. No one's gonna be able to hear Paul Simon because I'm. That's when I heckle. You stole everything.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What's I. On the spot. Gun to your head. Is there anything better than the opening up the freezer truck door and in. And, and the crane shot going in. Is that, is that the best song that, that, that Scorsese. Let's just take it from there. That Scorsese has put image to song because he's overdone.

[B]

I give me shelter at the beginning of the Departed is, is very good.

[A]

He's used that in every movie, though.

[B]

That's in everything.

[A]

I know, dude.

[B]

I was watching in general, I was

[A]

watching Kundun about the Dalai Lama, and it's like, you are the. No, It's just a shadow. It's like washing somebody's foot.

[B]

Last Temptation of Christ

[A]

Children.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, it does actually. It's the perfect movie song, so, I mean, it could fit pretty much anything. Yeah, man. I can't think of one that's better than that. I'm trying. I'm, like, racking my brain for editing purposes.

[A]

I'm gonna say best song use in movies.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Ever.

[B]

Just.

[A]

I'm just gonna. I'm just gonna write it.

[B]

Yeah, let's see. Because I'm. Okay, so. Oh, man.

[A]

Okay, well, these, some of these, I, I.

[B]

There's gonna be a couple that are like, oh, yeah. How did we not think of that?

[A]

Time of My Life by Dirty Dancing.

[B]

Oh, it's great.

[A]

That's great.

[B]

It just.

[A]

I mean, I'm like. It doesn't.

[B]

I'm pretty sure from the Righteous Brothers. Yeah.

[A]

I love that you know that. I love that, you know. Oh, dude, where is my mind in Fight Club.

[B]

Oh, man, that's a great one. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. I got more, dude. I got more. Yeah, this is, this is because. Because, dude, this is the for, for all the black people out there. And me, because I love this movie. And I named a cat after the character from it. Fight the Power by Public Enemy at the beginning of do the Right Thing.

[B]

That's a great one, too.

[A]

You're always. You're always like, why is that in there? Oh, because it sets up the whole movie and it's just badass.

[B]

Oh, that. That is a great. That's a good one, too.

[A]

Staying Alive by On Saturday Night Fever. Now I know that's written for the movie.

[B]

No, that's still.

[A]

Yeah, I'm trying to think of, like. So this is. Those are all written. Written for. So when it comes to. When it comes to best use of licensed music, Tiny Dancer and Almost Famous,

[B]

that might be it. That might be the best. Besides Goodfellas, I still think Goodfellas is the best. I think the Tiny Dancer and Almost Famous. My best be the best.

[A]

Yeah. In your eyes. Say anything, Ms. Mrs. Robinson. Simon and Garfunkel, Twist and Shout by the Beatles and Ferris Buellers, I Still Believe by Tim Capella. Lost Boys. Yeah, man.

[B]

No, there are. Yeah, those are all good ones, too. Oh, don't. Don't you forget about me at the end of Breakfast.

[A]

Oh, God, yeah. Dude, that's a.

[B]

That's a great one. Bender walking it, you know, raising the fist.

[A]

Dude, they could never make the. The, like, they can make Lost Boys over again because it's beautiful men and beautiful people, young people doing vampires. The idea of them trying to remake a movie like they try to remake Breakfast Club. It's like, you could. It's just talking. It's literally talking for an hour and a half.

[B]

It'd be too boring. They would have to make it, like, so depressing and, like, they'd all have to be in there for, like, heroin because they were selling heroin at high school or some. Like. It couldn't just be like a. Here's five different. I think it's five people. Five people from different, you know, social groups in a. In a room together.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, I'm looking at. I'm looking at. It's like 100 greatest movie songs. I mean, you could. You could sit here and, you know,

[B]

Forrest Gump has a lot. I hate that movie. But there's a lot of them.

[A]

That. Dude, that movie did not deserve to win Best Picture. It should have been Pulp Fiction, Shaw Shank, Pulp Fiction or even Quiz Show. I would even said give it.

[B]

Pulp Fiction has the. Has a bum. I think, girl, you'll be a woman soon is one. And then I think, you know, just the Mr. Luba.

[A]

Oh, stuck in the middle with you. Oh, and Reservoir Dogs. That.

[B]

That's a great one, too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

I mean, Tarantino is. He's. He's. I Feel like he writes the script and goes. And I think Scorsese, too, probably goes, put in this. He sees it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But this. This is. This is one. This is one that. I mean, I'll be honest. I. I think most people don't even know this song. Most passive music. Because most people aren't us. Most people aren't listening to everything and going back, you know, and listening to some of the greatest music ever. And I don't think a lot of people would. Would know this song. And this probably opened up to so many people. Somebody. They got introduced, because there's Gen Z that got introduced to Goodfellas now. And now they're like, oh, what is that Piano concerto? Actually, it's Eric Clapton.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

And I'm. And before we get into the final questions right now, because I feel like we've. We've nailed it. We nailed this episode is. I did go see Eric Clapton live at Madison Square Garden and a few years ago had very good seats and it was fine. It wasn't a very good concert. He didn't talk to the audience at all. Yeah, he didn't play a lot of the. I wanted to hear. He did different ver. He played a lot of old blues. And. Yeah, it was just boring. Everybody sat the whole time. I don't think he did cocaine. Let me see the set list. Eric Clapton, that sucks. Set list.

[B]

It's really not a surprise, though. He seems like the type that would do that. Just play a bunch of, like, old blue standards that nobody knows.

[A]

Here's. Here's the lineup. Oh, God. Yeah, dude. It's. Well, all right. So he did do. All right, so the full band at the beginning. He ends. He does. I'm your. You know. God save the queen Tearing us apart. Key to the highway I'm your hoochie coochie man. River of Dreams. Then he does I Shot the Sheriff. Then he goes acoustic and he does Layla and Tears in Heaven. He does like. He does like a Jimmy Cox cover. JJ Kale, Muddy Water song. Then he comes back out and he does Badge by Cream. Wonderful. Tonight. Crossroad Blues. Robert Johnson cover.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

The sky is Crying. Elmore James and Broom Dusters. I even know that. And then cocaine.

[B]

The sky is Crying, you know, is the Stevie Ray Vaughan, the Stevie Vaughn cover of that. Yeah.

[A]

And then he does cocaine. And then he comes back out and does a Joe Cocker cover of High Time. We went and it was fine. But then he was like. He didn't even talk to the audience, like, not even Like a racist. Like, it should have been. Like I said, no black people here. And I meant even the security.

[B]

Yeah. At least done like a. Yeah, done something.

[A]

Fouchy lied. People died. Two, three. If you wanna be mine you gotta blow your mind.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Be perfect.

[A]

Sandy Hook was a hoax to take all guns if you wanna be fine you gotta blow your mind okay, let's

[B]

go on a full Alex Jones rant. It's late in the evening.

[A]

Wonderful tonight to making the turtles gay, if you want them. I just keep, like, doing that. I just. I love that Alex Jones thing where they're like, he. They show him pictures of thing and he's like, patriot. He's like, Damon. People have shown, like, different. Yeah, they show, like, pictures of like, the. The abscess. Characters from, like, McDonald's who. It's like Grimace. It's like patriot. They see the hamburg. He's like, tie up.

[B]

Damon. Yeah, Damon.

[A]

Oh, this was too much fun. Please come back. Cody, this is. I. I would love to have you back. This is. I was. I was like, oh, man, we'll do an hour. And I'm like, I just got lost. So. I don't mean to get lost in the sauce, but I really had a good time hanging with you. Promote away. Before we get into the final questions. Well, you know, tell us about the podcast. Where can they find you? Everything. And we'll do it at the beginning too.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah. So you can follow me at Instagram is at the Cody Tucker post on my little shorts and whatnot on YouTube and Spotify, Apple, all that good stuff. I got the podcast, brand new podcast, rewind and Repeat, some movie podcasts. Take all the movies that I love the most and talk about them and yeah, that's. That's really about it. I got a book. Got a book out called and now you know. It is available on Amazon. So, you know, everything's. All the links are on my Instagram, though, if that's probably the easiest way to find it. So there you go.

[A]

Yeah. Support him, everybody. Fleece army. Seriously, this is. Thank you for coming on. This was so much fun. And. And dude, I. I mean it. Like, it's. Please come back. We've got another 100 and I don't even know what. Alex, what number is this? It's 100. What?

[B]

140 something, I thought.

[A]

No, no, no, no. That might be on the different list. Oh, I forgot to look that up. Oh, I forgot to pull up your thing. Hold on. God damn it. Did. Is. Is this odd? Is this album lower or higher on the new list. I believe it's lower.

[B]

I think it's in the 200s. It's. It's in the, it's in the thing.

[A]

I.

[B]

Since you.

[A]

I know. I, I. Oh, yeah, that's right. I closed it out by just. I accidentally just closed it out, and I can't refind it when I do my wrap up, I'm like, done. I don't have to look anymore. What do you got? If you want to be fine, you gotta blow your mind go. It was 2, 226.

[B]

In the, in the, in the 2025.

[A]

She's so fine, she's so fine don't mind Patty boy she got golden it's 70 degrees she's no hair on a snatch and you know I'm attached Patty

[B]

boy Just rename every. Make all of the songs Patty Boy.

[A]

You think. You think A for is gum, but no, it's more Sha Shang. I don't know why I said that one. Sometimes. Sometimes you're pulling. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I'm looking at the thing. Does it say it did drop down in the list? Damn, he got a lot of facts on this. I was looking to see how many sales it had. Did it sell a lot? It did not. We don't even know. So you know what? Don't worry about it. We don't need any of that. But if you haven't listened to this record yet, please go out and listen to it. And, oh, the other solo record that I was talking about, his other Heroin record was 461 Ocean Blvd.OR. no, he, he, no, he beat heroin to do that record in 74. Because this band breaks up in 72. So there you go. Layla became Eric Clapton singer. Song, Rock and Roll hall of Fame. He's three times he's been inducted. Yardbirds, Cream, and as a solo artist. Talk about, like. Chill out, bro. You're killing the game. God damn, this is fun. All right, let's do the final questions. We'll get you out of here.

[B]

Favorite song on this record, Bell Bottom Blues.

[A]

And I know you said it, but just.

[B]

Is it. Yeah, it's. It's nostalgic as hell. I mean, like I said, you know, connection with my dad, like, showing me this song, constantly playing it all the time. I. I think that it's just. It has such a great build, like, each chorus and it. I just think it's so, so damn good. Yeah, I think his voice is one of, like, his. Because he's not necessarily the strongest singer. Not that he really needs to be. But in that song, I think is. His singing is the best. In Bell Bottom Blues, he's.

[A]

When he. When he wants to. Right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

This can sing, but he. He's the guitar God, and I think that's why we love him. I mean, we're coming for the fingers, and we're sticking around for the voice. We're accepting the voice, and that's a good one. Where he does shine on for sure. Is. Is it a no skip or is there a sconce? A scone. Is there a song you skip over on the record?

[B]

Yeah, I skip his little wing cover. Yeah. It's weird. It's very weird. It doesn't sound anything like Little Wing. I just don't think it's very good. It doesn't fit on the album. I don't even know why. Why? I mean, I guess I get it because it's about a girl like, okay, whatever, and, you know, attendance, but. Yeah, I don't. I don't care for it, but otherwise. Nah. I mean, I'm looking up. Why does love got to be so sad? Is okay. You know, I don't know if I'd. I don't know if I'd skip it every time, but I probably wouldn't be happy to hear that one again. Yeah.

[A]

So I. I would listen after I listened to this a few times all the way through, then I started going, I don't need to hear this one. Let me get to the ones that I like. It's not a no skip. I think this is a skip record. But I also think it's. It's just after. I mean, some people probably skip fucking Layla because they've heard it too much, so.

[B]

That's true. Yeah.

[A]

So, I mean, it is. It's. It's always. We're not on it, everybody. We're just saying that, you know, it's. There's. Some are better than others. Can you. To this record. Is this a. Is this a put on and have sex record?

[B]

If. No, it'd be really kind of. It'd be a sad. A sad for sure. Unless it's somebody that I don't know. It's a good, like, breakup and makeup sex record kind of. It has that kind of.

[A]

Maybe one last time. One last time?

[B]

Yeah, like one for the. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

For the good times.

[B]

Yeah. I think maybe in that case. But otherwise, I'd rather put on something a little bit better than this.

[A]

Yeah, it's. It's just the. Too much. Too much guitar work going on.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

To. Because Lyrically, you could, you can just, ah. It's like, I need you. I. I want you. I care about you. But the guitar, you're just like, jeez, is that, Is that a Wawa pedal? Yeah.

[B]

The blues isn't like a great genre.

[A]

Slow blues is great, but there's certain other blues, it just isn't. I don't think this is a good one. Even though it's a. It's a. It's a. It's a love type record. It's just not. And how would you get someone to listen to this album that's never heard it before? Or like, what would be your. Your elevator pitch to get someone to listen to it?

[B]

Okay, this, this is one album from a band they never recorded another album they didn't need to. Eric Clapton already proved himself to be a virtuoso. This is where he proved himself to be a God.

[A]

I love that. Yeah, I think, I think that's a perfect way to say it is. You're. You're getting arguably one of the greatest guitar players of all time. Actually, no. Arguably two of the greatest guitar players ever. Tone. I've ever, ever, ever born, lived, whatever you want to say it. And they made not just a great rock record, but a document of emotional collapse set to those perfect guitar tones. And, you know, it's. It's just funny to see something flop when it comes out and to see how it's like, it's got such a cult following. And this, this record is a. Dude, please come back. This was so great. Thank you so much, brother.

[B]

Anytime. Anytime you need somebody, I'm. I'm here.

[A]

What did I tell you? What I tell you? The one and only Cody Tucker. Follow him on Instagram at the Cody Tucker. And go to codytuckercomedy.com for all things Cody and check out his show, the Cody Tucker Show. For new music. We just listened to Derek and the Dominoes from 1970. New music in part brought to you by District Intro Kid. We got a track called Nobody needs to know by Owen Stewart. Oh, it's a great song. I would listen to this all day. Find links to the music on our website, the 500podcast.com and if you have a song you want played on the 500, send us your song to 500podcastmail.com and put the album on ours that influence you in the subject line. Next week, it's number 116. Rolling stones out of our heads from 65. Do your homie. That sounds weird. Do your homework, not your homie. Or do your homey if you're gay or if you're straight, I don't know. Bye. Nobody needs to know. Nobody needs to know? You know it happens every day. When the magic slips away. But despite all the love that you gave? Let's stood up and shouted matter all the plans you made. Nobody needs to know. Nobody needs to know how you feeling? Why you can't let it know so you've been denied? Oh yes indeed, all the same thing well it happened to me

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