155 - The Pretenders - Self-Titled - David Wain

Summary

Episode Summary: The Pretenders' Self-Titled Debut with David Wayne

Released on June 18, 2025, Episode 155 of "The 500 with Josh Adam Meyers" delves into The Pretenders' iconic self-titled debut album. Hosted by comedian and podcast creator Josh Adam Meyers, this episode features a special guest appearance by David Wayne, a renowned comedian, actor, and musician known for his work on "Wet Hot American Summer." Together, they explore the album's significance, share personal anecdotes, and discuss its lasting impact on the music and comedy landscapes.

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1. Introduction to The Pretenders and the Episode

Josh Adam Meyers opens the episode by expressing his enthusiasm and clarity, attributed to his healthy lifestyle changes. He thanks his supporters and introduces David Wayne as a guest, highlighting Wayne's multifaceted career.

• Josh (00:02:47): "I'm feeling good. Working out, sleeps back. I feel like my old self. It's really nice to be clear-headed."

2. Discovering The Pretenders

The conversation begins with Josh sharing his initial encounter with The Pretenders' debut album, emphasizing the raw energy of the opening track, "Precious."

• Josh (03:17): "This is what a great opening song is like..."
• David Wayne (32:39): "I remember very clearly... like, oh, that's so cool."

3. Deep Dive into Key Tracks

Josh and David analyze several standout tracks from the album, discussing their musicality, lyrical depth, and personal significance.

a. "Precious"

A high-energy track that sets the album's tone, blending themes of sex, angst, and independence.

• Josh (10:21): "This is a hard-driving rock song. It puts the themes of sex, angst, and independence out there right away."

b. "Kid"

A haunting narrative about a boy discovering his mother's involvement in prostitution, showcasing Chrissy Hine's storytelling prowess.

• Josh (42:00): "The song is very vexing... it's just so raw."
• David Wayne (43:38): "It's the most incredible... the most insane guitar solo of all time."

c. "Private Life"

Originally written by Chrissy Hine, the track was later covered by Grace Jones, adding a reggae twist that Josh found compelling.

• Josh (65:08): "Private Life... Grace Jones gave it a little spunk too."
• David Wayne (65:54): "I love the melody... it's a really haunting story."

d. "Lovers of Today" & "Mystery Achievement"

These tracks are highlighted for their unique compositions and emotional depth, with "Lovers of Today" noted for its complex chord structures and "Mystery Achievement" praised for its blending of Motown influences with rock.

• David Wayne (74:31): "It's one of my second favorite on this album... so much cool things it did."
• Josh (75:52): "Mystery Achievement... it's badass."

4. Personal Anecdotes and Career Insights

David Wayne shares his experiences touring with The Pretenders, attending their concerts, and the challenges faced by the band members, including tragic losses.

• David Wayne (16:04): "James Simon Scott was a legendary guitar player, but he only played on the first two albums and then he died of an overdose."
• Josh (25:06): "How can you put together a band? Similar to how you build a sketch group."

5. The Album’s Legacy and Influence

The duo reflects on the album's enduring legacy, its influence on other artists, and its place in Rolling Stone's list of the 500 Greatest Albums of All Time.

• David Wayne (30:31): "Honeyman Scott... his sound is unmistakable."
• Josh (31:12): "I recommend every single person that hasn't listened to the record yet."

6. Closing Remarks and Future Plans

Josh and David wrap up the episode by promoting upcoming shows, future podcast episodes, and emphasizing the importance of living in the moment. They share heartfelt thanks to their listeners and encourage support through social media and Patreon.

• Josh (89:19): "David, please promote away... We're at number 155 out of 500 with The Pretenders."
• David Wayne (89:07): "We're going to be doing four incredible shows with the Middle Aged Dad Jam Band. So much fun, fun music, comedy."

Notable Quotes:

• Josh (32:54): "This is just a perfect debut, covers everything, badass lyrics, incredible music, ahead of its time and still being copied today."
• David Wayne (33:21): "Life is like a box of chocolates. What can I say?"
• Josh (43:59): "This conversation is making me feel like I want to do like David Wayne plays the whole Pretenders' first album on tour."

Conclusion

Episode 155 serves as both a nostalgic trip and a deep analytical discussion of The Pretenders' debut album. Through personal stories and expert commentary, Josh and David offer listeners a comprehensive understanding of the album's artistry and its profound impact on fans and musicians alike.

For more insights and to support the show, listeners are encouraged to visit the500podcast.com and follow Josh and David on their respective social media platforms.

Transcript

[Josh Adam Myers]

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[David Wayne]

I shouldn't let your manners slip your teeth.

[Josh Adam Myers]

That is the opening track by the pretenders from their 1980 self titled debut album. It's also number 155 out of 500 on the 500 with Josh Adamize with a It's me. I'm Josh and I am a comedian. Going through Rolling Stone magazine's list of the 500 greatest albums from 500 down to 1. I'm feeling good. Working out, sleeps back. I feel like my old self. It's really nice to be clear headed. I feel like it shows in this episode.

[David Wayne]

Not even.

[Josh Adam Myers]

I don't even know if you guys are even gonna notice it but man, like I just feel like myself and clear and can be funny and I mean I might. I think I'm funny when I I definitely see a difference in just, you know, everything. So big shout out to all the friends and family people that have checked up on Me and also fans. Mark in Toronto. I love you, buddy. He's been following along. He found us through Bill Burr and he's been basically writing a. A write up every week of this journey. It's incredible. I know there's other people doing that too, but Mark's the ones I see the most. Shout out to all you guys, man. It really the. The 500 fleece army family is such a beautiful thing. So thank you from the bottom of my heart. Also, you know, listen to us doing Master Fleece Theater. We did an episode last week. I talk about everything and it was just great. Me, Wayne and Fetty WAP Fetterman and JT. We do the Patreon patreon.com backslash the 500 podcast. Join the fleece army guys. 25amonth gets you some cool merch. But $5 is all you need to help us rep and help us support the show. So please, please, please, if you listen man, support the show. We're getting close to the nitty gritty. There's not a lot of money, so any of your help really makes a difference. Watch the podcast on YouTube every Thursday. Search the 500 podcast channel. I think if you look up the YouTube.com backslash the 500 podcast, it's there. Also I have a YouTube page, YouTube.combackslash Josh Adamyers 79 and any way that you support we love. Follow me Josh Adam Myers on all social media. 500 podcasts on all social media. It is what it is and it's a beautiful thing. All right, I'm going to be in London the end of July doing shows in London, England. I'm going to see Oasis with Jim Jeffries and Jimmy Carr and Steve Byrne. I think we're gonna meet Noel for sure. I'll keep you updated. I'm gonna be doing shows out in London and then I'm gonna go on a vision quest. So we're gonna be stacking episodes because I'm gonna go to Europe for a month. I haven't had a vacation in a long time, so I feel like I need one right now and I'm stoked. I'm really excited. Something to really look forward to, just backpacking through Europe. I mean backpack. I'm gonna. I'm not gonna backpack. I got my Remova. Well, pack light, but you know what I mean, a bag, a book bag and, and the suitcase and that'll be it. Not a big one either. Maybe I bring a big one. I don't know. I'll talk to some people Let me know what you think. Should I bring a big one or a small one? I really don't have any tour dates right now and that's kind of why I'm taking off. My fall is really busy. So like the end of August, I've got some stuff. I've got the jams, the jam 11 year anniversary in July, probably at the Comedy Store. But yeah man, I'll tell you the truth, man, it's not until the end of August where I'll be in Plano, Texas and then I'm pretty much busy. September, October, November, December, which is good. I like working man, I really do. And I love making this podcast. So we're going to be stacking episodes, great guests and we got a great one today, man. The one and only David Wayne. We are. I mean he's. This is second time on but like our goal is to get every member of the state and every member of Mr. Show on and. And David is just so much fun. What a good dude, man. Please book me in something. Please put me in something. David, I want to work. If you don't know him, he's a creator, he's from the state. One of the creators of the of the state, Stella Wet Hot American Summer. He's an incredible director, an incredible writer and a credible musician with the Mad Dad Jam band which I'm going to be jamming with them when they come to Brooklyn. So dig that shit. And we go head first thanks to DJ Morty Koh schooling me on the Pretenders and really making me feel like I know what I'm talking about. So hopefully I don't sound like a fuck face Raid review. And most Importantly, subscribe to the 500 listen free on all platforms or anywhere you get your pods. Follow me Josh Adam Myers on all social media, the 500 podcast on all podcast social media for the podcast, email the [e-mail] Follow the Facebook group run by Crazy Evan and for all things 500 go to the website the 500podcast.com. All right y' all not left to say. But here we go with number 155 out of 500 with the Pretender's debut album that is self titled. Oh Jesus. I can't even attempt to do Chrissy. I've got her attitude, but I can't attempt to sing like her. I've got that attitude. Dude. Are you here because you're both from Ohio? Is that why you're here?

[David Wayne]

No, I invited. I sent Chrissy Hind a note asking if she'll Go to prom with me.

[Josh Adam Myers]

No, you didn't.

[David Wayne]

Which would have been in 1980. When did I graduate high school? 1987.

[Josh Adam Myers]

No, I bet. Can I guess what? I bet what? It probably would have been off.

[David Wayne]

Yeah. No, but I am from. I. I had a special love for. For Chrissy Hunt because she was from Cleveland.

[Josh Adam Myers]

So special.

[David Wayne]

So special. And she would. She would name call, you know, like Euclid Avenue. And I'm like, yeah, that's near where I live.

[Josh Adam Myers]

I know. That does feel good. Like, Jerry. Like, what bands? I mean, it's anytime. Me. Me and the producer up there in that corner. We used to go to the 9:30 club in D.C. all the time.

[David Wayne]

Sure.

[Josh Adam Myers]

And it would be like when they. This even you get that feeling of. They're just like, what's up, dc? And you're like, they're talking about me. I'm from dc. It's me. But. But so specifically, is that Ohio? And I mean, maybe I'm wrong because, you know, I've only been doing this podcast six years and. And recently off of Kratom. So I'm thinking clearly, is. Is that. Are there a lot of rock stars from Ohio? Like, who are the. Who are the rock stars? Because she didn't make it there. She went back there. And we'll get all into that. But Devo, I know that. Okay, okay. No, no, no. We're gonna talk about that. That's 100% yes.

[David Wayne]

You asked me a question. I'm giving you an answer.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah, I. Go ahead. I. Tracy Chapman players.

[David Wayne]

Tracy Chapman, Nine Inch Nails.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Holy.

[David Wayne]

Okay, so get off my back.

[Josh Adam Myers]

I am off your back. I'm pissed that my picture isn't hanging on the goddamn wall, though. I was expecting my picture up there. And Morty. Big shout out to DJ Morty Coyle, who helps me prep for this always. He said what you need to do because he's like, josh, I don't have time to go over this record with you, but the one thing you need to do is print out a picture of David Wayne and put it right up there where Otis Redding is. And with him. Yeah. Because, dude, I'm going through a detox, bro. What do you expect from me, man? I'm trying to clean my life up.

[David Wayne]

Okay, man, Good for you.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Thank you. Thank you very much. No, everything's great. Everything's great. And. And it's you. Sometimes it's one of those things where you couldn't hope a record falls into your lap. It was like this record, and then I'm really into. And Jer, we talked about that on our Patreon. This new band, Turnstile. I. I know you're a punk guy too. So have you been hearing about this band out of Baltimore called Turnstile? They've been doing a bunch of free concerts. Yeah. Do you like them? Thoughts?

[David Wayne]

I have not. I'm. I'm dying to hear about it.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Oh, my God. No. They're just a hardcore band out of Baltimore, but very shoe gazy. It's. It's very like genre bending and it's just. It's just such good music. They're putting on these free shows all over the country. They released their new record and I've just been watching videos and you're like, oh, man. And I think probably much like you. Even though you're, you know, you, You. It's you. You tr. You went from killing it in comedy to transitioning into music with middle aged jam band. Well, you know what I mean? But then me, it's like, I'm. I gotta still get there. But it's like you, it's. There's. You see it, it's like where you look at it and you're like. You see these bands rocking and you're like, oh, that's fun. Comedy's great.

[David Wayne]

There. There is nothing as a performer doing. Playing music on stage, playing the drums for me specifically. And if you're connecting with your bandmates and an audience, even just what we do, playing covers for fun, it is. So there's a certain visceral thrill of that. That's not the same as making a movie or doing a comedic performance or being an actor. It's a totally different kind of truly visceral.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Beautiful.

[David Wayne]

When you let go and you're just. It's just happening. It's amazing.

[Josh Adam Myers]

It's beautiful. It's. There's. There's a connection in song. And whether it's like you said, it's in, you know, because music is. Is. Is just enjoyed. It doesn't make a difference who or what or the. The meaning of the song. Sounds good. I mean, the lyrics, you know, could be like that Italian singer. Remember that Italian singer that tried to prove Italy right, that if I sing in all American gibberish, it'll be a number one hit? Yeah.

[David Wayne]

I love that song.

[Josh Adam Myers]

So do I. Dude. Somebody needs to sample it. But this shows you, you know, and he's like, this guy's killing it. But that just proves the point that music is, is. Is just so important. Whereas comedy, which is still laughter, is beautiful. There is something about where Comedy is like, yeah, I don't like the way that guy looks or the way he said that. But music, they don't give a what you look like. I mean, Christ, some of our biggest rock stars of our times are some of the worst human beings that ever lived. And yet we love the music because we try to ignore that Led Zeppelin stuck a fish in a. In a woo woo. At a hotel on Sunset Boulevard.

[David Wayne]

Because when they're rocking to your little. To your diaphragm, it's like, no, nothing else matters.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Nothing else matters. Great song, by the way, by Metallica. First Metallica shout out of the podcast.

[David Wayne]

Rocking to your diaphragm. I love that song.

[Josh Adam Myers]

So do I. Oh my God. You know the B side? You know the B side. Scoliosis. It's so good. It's so good, dude. See how clear headed I get, Jer, when you working, it's crazy.

[David Wayne]

Really working out.

[Josh Adam Myers]

So. So you grow up in Shaker Heights, Ohio, which is a great song by a little known band. What is that? Scottish band that I was really into Shallow Grave. Check the math on that. Or no, it was nothing. Like, no, I'll find it because it's on my phone. But that's besides the point. So you said you graduated high school in 86. The record we're talking about today, which arguably might go down on this podcast. I would put this up there with the Cars debut. And yet we haven't done Appetite for Destruction yet, which is my favorite debut record of any band in the history of music. Okay, we are talking about the Pretenders debut self titled studio record released January 11, 1980 by an Ohio girl with a bunch of British dudes. How. How did you find. I know you're a hip guy, you know, but like how does. How does somebody. Yeah, bro. How do you find the Pretenders in. In. In Silver Springs, Ohio. I know that's not the name of it.

[David Wayne]

Shaker Heights, Ohio. 87 is when I graduated the. I feel like my sisters. I had much older sisters and so they were playing that record and I remember Brass and Pocket really well as. As like something that you heard a lot. It was a hit. And then of course they played Brass and Pocket a lot on mtv.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Great music video. Dude, that's like such a right. Like I just re.

[David Wayne]

Watched it sexy. Like, oh yeah.

[Josh Adam Myers]

And this is the band they're all eating. She's got that punk rock attitude. She's got the hair that's already cool with the bangs. Yeah, she's rad.

[David Wayne]

And then I think that A little after that I just discovered. Oh, there's a whole nother album that goes. There's a whole album that goes with this that is mind blowing. And. And I'm. I guess so. Came out at 80. I was 10. But little by little I was just by. By the time the next album came out in 83, I was a Pretenders obsessed super fan. And that's when I was just like. And I went to go see them I think for the first time in 83 on the learning to Crawl tour. So I never got to see the original lineup, but.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Oh wow. I didn't know that. Yeah, I knew that there were breakups and I see that there's been a long list of people that were involved with them, but.

[David Wayne]

Well, the. The guitar player and the bassist both died of overdose.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Oh. Morty never got me to that part we got. Because we cut off right when. When Chris Turner produced the record and then it was like. All right. And I gotta go. We're starting in five minutes.

[David Wayne]

Right, right, right. No, no, it was. And James Simon Scott was like a legendary incredible guitar player, but he only played on the first two albums and then he died in overdose. And Pete Farndon, the bassist, I think was fired around that time and then also died of Nordos.

[Josh Adam Myers]

No, I did read. Yeah, I did read that. How was the concert? Where was it? Where did you see them?

[David Wayne]

I saw them downtown Cleveland at the. I can't remember what it's called. Like the public auditorium of. I can't remember. But it was downtown and it was. The lineup was. The guy who plays on the. The Learning to Crawl album was the guitar player. I can't remember his name. And she's always had just a string of young sort of good looking bass players that come in and out for all. Like they've never. Bass players never lasted more than too long with that band. But. And they were incredible. I loved it. And I love that album. To Learning to Crawl with you know, that has my city who's gone and. And. But I'm not.

[Josh Adam Myers]

I'm not too. You know it's funny is like I'm not. I. I guess I am a Pretenders poser. I'll be the first to say it. I mean it's the first time I've ever really listened to the record. And besides like.

[David Wayne]

You're crazy.

[Josh Adam Myers]

I know. Well, that's why I do the podcast, David.

[David Wayne]

Yeah.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Because I wanted to find it. I needed it.

[David Wayne]

Okay, now not you need to you calm down.

[Josh Adam Myers]

I don't mean to yell. Okay. It's just my normal speaking voice. You're yelling at me, like, scream. It's. My scream is so sense that I don't even have. It's more of a. It's more of a spoken word scream. I'm the Saul Williams of screaming. Anybody get that reference? Any of our 55 year old listeners at a studio apartment in San Francisco's Mission District? No one? You have the very similar life as Chrissy Hine. You are the Forrest Gump of comedy and she is the Forrest Gump of music. Thoughts on that connection? Because I'm about to really blow our minds of how close I. I'd love.

[David Wayne]

To hear you connect those dots because I don't so exactly what you mean by that?

[Josh Adam Myers]

Well, you've done so much. I mean, you really have, David. It's like. And we'll. You know, we. As we've. We've talked about on the podcast before when you came on, you did Jared, check my math. Is it Regatta deblanca? Is that what the record he came on for by the Police?

[David Wayne]

I think it was the other one.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Which one? Atlantis Day Amore or Scootly Bondoodly? Other names the Brothers of the Police is like, like, there's Haka Malaka. There's Synchronicity. There's Chunky.

[David Wayne]

All I know is I was on before, but now I'm here today, and all we have is today.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Oh, man. You've been watching my sets recently, haven't you, where I tell the audience to do that to convince them to sing with me. My God. All right.

[David Wayne]

I don't need to look back.

[Josh Adam Myers]

No, exactly. This is the only moment we have. And it's the greatest moment of our lives because it's all we have. All right, so, Chrissy, this is how I say this. So here we go. And I'm gonna make the connections too, to what we were talking about. So if anybody doesn't know, it's like me that doesn't really just finding out about this group the Pretenders or you've heard about and blah, blah, blah. When I say Chrissy is the Forest Gump music, it. She really is. She goes, you know, she's from Ohio, from Akron. How far away is Akron from you, by the way? An hour. Okay, cool. So she's from Akron, Ohio. She meets Mark Mothersball from Devo at Kent State. She's affected by the shootings, just like him, which, of course, you know, we had Gerald Casale on the podcast to do Brian Eno, who actually produced, I think, their first record with yeah. And he. How. How they were affected and that's what got them to start. Devo, uh, in 73, uh, she moves out to London. And you gotta consider what's going on at that time is you got early Led Zeppelin, you got Deep Purple, basically the glam rock scene. No punk. She meets Nick Kent, basically the London Lester Bangs, a writer for an nme. He's kind of like. And she wants to be a writer and do all this stuff. Then she gets a job at this sex shop that is ground zero for punk rock. Malcolm McLaren. Vivian west would own it.

[David Wayne]

Right.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Doesn't this. Isn't this kind of sounding like your career a little bit? Except for out London, maybe New York.

[David Wayne]

Literally exactly the same career I did.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah, man, I see shop. Yeah, you did. Slanging bills, as you call slang and bills.

[David Wayne]

It was easier to like. I. I was a suburban kid from Cleveland, Ohio. She was from Akron, Ohio. More working class place. But then she went to London and did this kind of on her own. I went to, like, NYU and I met all my friends there, and we. Yeah, you know, hey, man.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah, same thing.

[David Wayne]

Pretty much same thing. Same big city, met a bunch of people and made some stuff happen.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Because even though. Even though. Here. I'll make the connection even closer. Even though you only went to New York, she went to London, you both spent the exact same amount of money because the pound was so much stronger to the US dollar. And NYU might be one of the most expensive schools in the fucking world.

[David Wayne]

I think it is currently the most expensive school. Although at the time it was not. And it was not. Do you remember?

[Josh Adam Myers]

Do you remember your tuition? Because I'm in $53,000 worth of student loan debt right now that I'm never paying you, Sallie Mae, I'm going to defer it until I die, I think.

[David Wayne]

I don't remember what the tuition was, but I remember it was a reasonable tuition and you had to have a B average to get in. And that was it. And now to get into NYU film school, you need to have, like, an incredible portfolio and incredible grades. Incredible.

[Josh Adam Myers]

You have to be co signed by Anthony Mangella. And he's dead already. You're like, yeah, sorry. You had to. He's the dean. He did the English Patient. He didn't go there. But I'm just. That was the name that popped in my head crazily.

[David Wayne]

They've made a documentary about our group, the state that formed at nyu, and the history of how we all got together and what we did that was premiered at the Tribeca Film Festival just a week ago.

[Josh Adam Myers]

I saw that. And then you also. I saw when it was. I think we were doing Austin together when you guys were all performing together. Yeah, it's really cool. And you know this, David, because it's your second time coming on. We are slowly chipping away on getting every member of the state we've had. Thomas, I love that we looked it up. I think we're at 50 somewhere in there. Who? Name everybody we've had. Oh, I had this up a second ago. Oh, my goodness. We've actually had 98 of the SNL alumni as well, which is.

[David Wayne]

That can't be true.

[Josh Adam Myers]

I'm trying to Frankenstein Belushi to make it happen. 98.

[David Wayne]

Just have chat. GPT channel. That'll work. Easy.

[Josh Adam Myers]

All right, so while he looks that up, I'll go back in. Kenny Silver. Yeah, go ahead, Carrie. Kenny Silver.

[David Wayne]

We had.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Who else? Obviously Tom Lennon.

[David Wayne]

Do you. Do you have it in front of you? What albums they did?

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah. Do that, too. She did. She did PJ Harvey. I know that for a fact. She did picture Harvey. It might have been. Yeah. It was rid of me because Mary Lynn Rice did Stories from the Sea. Stories from the. Whatever. Michael Ian Black did Black Flag Damaged, which I have a T shirt I just recently got of that. I'll be selling that soon for my Europe.

[David Wayne]

Anyway, you had a lot of them on and they did the stuff that's.

[Josh Adam Myers]

They did this stuff. He'll find him out. We'll get him at the end. We'll get him at the end. Let's get back to this awesome record. All right. She's a writer. She loves music. She knows there's these people out there that wants to be around and wants to be around music, much like you wanted to. You loved comedy and you wanted to be around comedy.

[David Wayne]

So I went to where it was happening.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah. What's happening? She tries bands in London. You tried fetch groups and like that, probably. And. And she goes to London. She goes to Paris, then she goes back to Ohio. I'm assuming you stayed in New York.

[David Wayne]

I stayed in New York for 26 years.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Exactly, exactly. Then you went to. But she goes back to London in 76. And guess what? Now you got punk happening. The Ramones came by already. Punk rules. And she is like, someone, marry me so I can stay here in London. Right. She plays in a band with, I think, Mick Jones. So basically an early version of the Clash. She also played in an early version of the Damned, the first punk rock single band and her only Thought is, how can she put together a band? And now I'm assuming with you, you're. You love comedy. You're doing all that. You're like, how can I put together a sketch group?

[David Wayne]

Right? I mean. All right, yes, That's.

[Josh Adam Myers]

I'm not. It's all right. Hey, dude, I'm. I'm. I'm hoping.

[David Wayne]

I'm feeling the connection.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Okay, cool, cool, cool. All right, cool.

[David Wayne]

Maybe one day we'll have dinner, she.

[Josh Adam Myers]

And I. Oh, it's gonna happen, dude. All right. She plays with Steve Strange in. In a band that's called the Moors Murderers, which eventually becomes the Visage Band. Did I say that right? Excuse me. She's surrounded by ground zero of punk rock. Wants to be in a band. Bad. Puts ads up in the Melody Maker, and she finally meets bassist Pete Farndon and then James Honeyman Scott on guitar, and Martin Chambers the drummer. She wants punk, but she's inspired by the Great Pretender by Sam Cooke and the Platters, but really, the Sam Cooke version, she does a demo with the. Of a King's cover. Uh. Stop your sobbing. Uh, years later, uh, she. It's so funny. She actually has a baby with Ray Davis. Was he the guy that. Wait, Jared, Was he the guy that came on our podcast? Yeah, I think so. Right? Yeah. We had the King. Isn't that cool?

[David Wayne]

Called Ray Davies.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah. Jesus Christ, Josh. I'm sorry. Thank you for the correction. She's at Stiff Records. There's Nick Low. He's like, okay, cool. I dig your sound. I'll produce your single. And they do the. The Kinks cover. We had Dave Davies. Yeah, Dave Davies. Yeah. Okay, so they do the single. It does. Okay. Mid 30s in the UK. Nick passes on the record. They get. Sign the single Brass in Pocket producer Chris Thomas. A few years earlier, he had produced Nevermind the Bullocks, and he's a guy that can make punk bands palatable. Keep that.

[David Wayne]

She fired Nicklo because he wasn't taking them seriously.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Oh, who knows?

[David Wayne]

Who knows?

[Josh Adam Myers]

But that could be. That could.

[David Wayne]

Memory is elastic.

[Josh Adam Myers]

No, totally. But also. But also, you know, and I. I think we'll get into this in a second about what I'm about to say about her, you know? So put a pin in that, because they get Chris Thomas, who did Nevermind the Bullocks, and he's a gu. That can make punk rock. He can basically keep the edge, but still make a great pop record. Because if you listen to Nevermind the Bullets, it's still just. If you just, you know, Motown it or whatever. It's amazing. He's the guy this. And then they make one of the greatest debuts ever up there with the Cars and Appetite and whatever we've said before, she brings something very, very special that I really heard. And then after watching a documentary about her, I really understand why we're talking about Chrissy. She's not. And I'm gonna put the pin in, pull the pin out of. What you had said about firing Nick Lowe is that she's not just a female band. She's not just the singer. The female singer in a punk band or something. She's the. She's with the band. She is as. As an. As big a part of. Of the band as the guitarist, the drummer, everybody, if not even the most important, because she. You're fully in charge.

[David Wayne]

She's following the rock star singer and like the, the leader in every way as far as I can see it.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Exactly, exactly. She's following the rock star ethos. She's gonna be the singer, she's gonna be the guitar player. She's noisy. She brings a sensibility of pop to everything. There's aggression and yes, it's punk rock with, you know, there's a punk rock overtone to the record, but you can still watch the early stuff of them rehearsing and they sound great.

[David Wayne]

Yeah.

[Josh Adam Myers]

You know, and then like we said before, like you see in the music video, she's got the fringe and the bangs and she's playing the telly and she's not just feel.

[David Wayne]

It's like, no joke. Like this is a woman who knows music and who knows the history of what. What's led into it and.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Exactly.

[David Wayne]

Just to me also as a. As a drummer, Martin Chambers is like one of the great all time drummers. He's like maybe one of my absolute favorite drummers, I think.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah. There's a couple songs I'm gonna. I brought up where I really. Specifically about the drums, where I'm like, wow, like different time signatures. Cool. Real cool that he does D, dude. But. But it's. But it's. You know, it's. It's her. You watch that music video for Brass and Pocket. You know, she is the band. Yeah, she's just. Just as much of. You know what I mean? Like, she's not just like. I don't want to discredit some of the other. Like who was there? The. The. We were talking about that. Who's that other band they made the movie about where Lita Ford came from there and Joan Jett.

[David Wayne]

Oh, you mean the Queen Cherry Bomb.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah, Queen did Cherry Bomb. Yeah, it was Queen. But. But even in that group, it just, it just, it's. It's corporately made in a sense, whereas the Pretenders feel like it's a real band and she is the, you know, she, she. She can, she can stand up there with anybody and be the rock star that she is.

[David Wayne]

I just feels like she was an obsessed believer in the ethos of rock and roll and, and wanted to. And still does to this day that, you know, they still do these scrappy tours all the time in 2025 and there's no frills. It's.

[Josh Adam Myers]

I think it's just rock and roll. Yeah. And. And like we said, and it's. And, you know, big shout out to. To the rest of the band too. You know, James can't be denied. She met a perfect band. She met for these first two records, a perfect band. She plays down the musicality, she plays down her punk rock sound, but yet they put out a perfect debut, covers everything, badass lyrics, incredible music, and ahead of its time and still being copied today.

[David Wayne]

And also, I think Honeyman Scott is. There's no. It's unprecedented what he's doing, that his sound is unmistakable. And I don't think there's. It doesn't feel like there's. Anyone's done exactly what he does. And her voice, of course, is also. There's. There's nobody like that.

[Josh Adam Myers]

That.

[David Wayne]

There's nobody who sings like Chrissy Hine.

[Josh Adam Myers]

I mean, it really. It's like, it's really cool. Like I said, when you. I find stuff and when the albums are coming up on the podcast and is this. This is. I was. I played it at the gym, listened to it the first time all the way through, and I was just like, smitten with this record. And I. And I. I recommend every single person that's listening to this that hasn't listened to the record yet.

[David Wayne]

The gym.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Go to the gym. Do a CrossFit. Do Murph. Do Murph.

[David Wayne]

Or maybe Orange Theory.

[Josh Adam Myers]

You can do Orange Theory. Not. Not Pilates. This is not a Pilates record. Even though they probably played Brass in Pocket at a Pilates class before. And you know, because the instructor loves it, but little do they know, do not play kid or the Tattooed Love Boys at the Pilates class. Some undertones we're gonna get to. Let's kick off the record. I mean, this is what a great opening song with that off. Dude, Precious really, really is. Is just something just so fun. What was that like? Being a kid, hearing that for like the first time.

[David Wayne]

Like I mentioned before, one of the early lyrics in that song is East 55th and Euclid Avenue. And I'm like, I know that corner. Yeah, but yeah, it's just so raw and raucous. And I remember very clearly. I've seen the Pretenders many times live. And they. When they play it live, they add this little extra riff where they go at one point where it's just something about May. And as a drummer also like that just opening thing where it's like.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah.

[David Wayne]

It just gets me every time. I'm not gonna say anything eloquent because I'm not a good talk.

[Josh Adam Myers]

No, you do. Neither am I. And I just have a little. I have like mishpigash to read. But this is. According to Morty, this is a hard driving rock song. Gets the album started putting the themes of sex, angst and independence out there right away.

[David Wayne]

And she. And she swears in it. Which as you age no. 11. I'm like, oh, that's so cool.

[Josh Adam Myers]

She's like, I know, but not me, baby. I'm too precious. I had to up. When's the last time you said off to somebody? When's the last time, really?

[David Wayne]

I'm. I'm actually, I stepped out of the editing room where I'm editing a movie right now. And I told the editor off just an hour ago, but I was kidding. I don't know if that counts.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah, it counts. I was hoping for like, oh, dude. Like I was this guy. Trader Joe's in the parking lot. And why are all the parking lots of Trader Joe's in Los Angeles? The. Like, it might as well be downtown Beirut. Like, it's horrible.

[David Wayne]

I want to park in that spot. And Traders parking lot. So off.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah, I mean.

[David Wayne]

And at various points in various bands I've been in, in my life, we've played various songs on this record. And Precious was a big one for my. In my 15 year old band, Immoral Minority. No, it was called Batman and Robin at the time.

[Josh Adam Myers]

So let's spin it to this. Let's just talk to the title. Precious. What's. Out of all the projects that you've done, what's. What's the one that you hold the most dear to your heart?

[David Wayne]

All the things I've done in my whole life.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Out of all the. All your projects, everything, what is your most precious?

[David Wayne]

It's very. It's. It sounds like a. I'm trying to get out of the question, but it's so hard to answer that, because I really, for so many of them, was so deeply loving and connected to it at the time that it was my favorite thing then and it. And is still there now in a way. So, like, my favorite thing I've worked on is the thing I'm editing right now.

[Josh Adam Myers]

I get it. Yeah. Yeah.

[David Wayne]

That's great.

[Josh Adam Myers]

I mean, I think that goes with what you were saying. We were. We were just. We were making the jokes, but actually being serious about living in the moment. You know, this moment is our best moment ever, because it's the only one that we have. And I mean, I do.

[David Wayne]

I do. I'm not one of those guys that likes, like, never look back. I do enjoy, you know, thinking about the experiences I've had before. And obviously, my first movie, Wet Hot American Summer, was its own special experience to be doing something for the very first time. And each. Each thing has its own special reason why it was cool.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Where do you put Stella in if you're ranking in the very special. Very special. So special.

[David Wayne]

And it's. And it's the it. Stella seems to have connected to a lot of people in a very particular.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Way that me, dude, I loved it. I love Stella, man.

[David Wayne]

And. And I'm sad that we've never. Haven't done. In many years, we have never done anything, and maybe we will someday be great. You.

[Josh Adam Myers]

You know, that's what's so cool about your career, is you. You've done like, you. You'll. Then the way you went back into the series with Netflix.

[David Wayne]

Yeah.

[Josh Adam Myers]

With Wet Hot, which was so great. And. And special in their own way. And. And I feel it's just really. It's like I said, dude, you are very Forrest Gumpy, bro. You got the gump. You got the gump in you.

[David Wayne]

Life is like a box of chocolates. What can I say?

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah, you'll get diabetes. All right. The phone call, the phone. If you're from Philly, it's the phone call. The phone call.

[David Wayne]

And that song has the actual phone call sound in it.

[Josh Adam Myers]

It does.

[David Wayne]

Which I. That's the main thing I can say about that.

[Josh Adam Myers]

I thought this was a good song, but I like the question. I like the question very much more than I actually think I like the song. What's a phone call that you got that changed your life?

[David Wayne]

Oh, I remember getting the phone call that they picked up our show the State for to. To go to series on MTV when I was in my early 20s and I was staying at the house of my friend who had produced the pilot in Los Angeles, where I did not live. And it was. I remember that one very clearly. And that obviously changed my life in a way that could not even be. I can't even imagine the sliding doors if that hadn't happened.

[Josh Adam Myers]

What is. You get the first call or did someone else on the. Like, everybody got called at the same time?

[David Wayne]

Yeah, I don't remember. Maybe it was from an agent or something. I can't. I can't remember actually who was on the other line, but I just remember getting that call and being like, oh, oh, this is going to be great.

[Josh Adam Myers]

What was the budget that they gave you for the first season that MTV must have been nothing, right?

[David Wayne]

I don't remember numbers, but I do know that we shared the. The eleven of us shared one office.

[Josh Adam Myers]

No. Off.

[David Wayne]

One room.

[Josh Adam Myers]

We had one water cup, one mug.

[David Wayne]

And they gave it, like, for much of the production, was like, bring your props from home. We use our own camera. It was like a lot of that.

[Josh Adam Myers]

That.

[David Wayne]

But, you know, it was incredible to give us the keys to the kingdom.

[Josh Adam Myers]

You know, they really did. And it's that. It was that beautiful, like, moment in the Peewee documentary that just came out that I've been talking about to everybody to watch, where they're talking about him making Pete. He's making Peewee's Playhouse. And it's like, they. They're shooting in this, like, small room in, you know, in. In New York, and they have nothing. And it's like, then. And they're putting. Or even anora. They're putting, you know, that director Sean Baker put. But, you know, he's like, we have no craft service because everything that's. That we're spending is going into the production because I care. I'm a true independent. And I think that, you know. Yes. Regardless if you're with MTV, you know, and this is MTV in the 90s. So that was the station.

[David Wayne]

Yeah, they.

[Josh Adam Myers]

You know, there's still Viacom. I don't know if it's Viacom at that point, but they're still cheap as. And it's like, well.

[David Wayne]

Well, also because they. All of their programming was music videos with little wraparounds of one kind or another. And so the whole idea of actually doing any sort of production, they were like, you want, like, a real camera and you want makeup and you want props. And we're like, yeah, we want to shoot stuff, like. And it was. It was all new. And they sent us out with. Originally with news crews, like MTV news crews that come with a camera guy. And, like, one of Those umbrella things for the light, you know?

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah.

[David Wayne]

And. And we were like, all right, we'll figure this out.

[Josh Adam Myers]

What was the first project, then, David, that gave you, like, you. Not free range, money wise, but you were like, okay, we got enough. I got enough here. Everybody can eat. Everybody's comfortable. Nobody's. We're not cutting corners on shit. What was your first. What project?

[David Wayne]

Well, I've done. In my long, whole career, I've done two movies for studios, Role Models and Wanderlust. And those were the two times that I felt like, oh, we have, like, plenty of money.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah.

[David Wayne]

I mean, I couldn't even know. I didn't know how to spend all the money on those two. Like, I was particularly on Role Models. Excuse me. We would get towards like, 3/4 through the day, and I'm done with what I need to do because we had so much time and so much resource. And I was like, okay, let's just leave because there's nothing else to do. And that was nuts.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Should we get crab cakes for everybody? You want to get crab cakes?

[David Wayne]

It was great. I'm like, yeah, is there any chance we could do this? They're like, yep, here he is. And wow. But mostly my comfort zone and most of my career has been, you know, trying to make miracles every day with nothing and, you know, pulling off every trick in the book to get it done. And I find that more fun.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Some call that Forrest Gumpy.

[David Wayne]

It's a little Forrest Gumpy and scrappy.

[Josh Adam Myers]

All right, let's talk about up to the Neck.

[David Wayne]

Yeah, people. People are tuning in to hear about the this.

[Josh Adam Myers]

No, they're not. There's only so much we could talk about. There's only so much we. I've got good info. I've got the good info that we need to go over. The rest of this is going to be about you. Up, up the Neck.

[David Wayne]

Great. All these songs have these great riffs. These great. Sort of like, very catchy. You know, up the Neck is, I mean, you know, not one of the big hits on the record, but I, I, I love how, I love how they all open.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah. I love the lyrics. It's very heavy lyrically. Very, very, you know, really heavy lyrically.

[David Wayne]

And also no apology. Like, she's just like, I don't care what anyone thinks. Like, you all. It's great.

[Josh Adam Myers]

She's bad bitch, dude. She's a bad chick. What's a project? You were up to your neck and work and are shocked that you even got it finished.

[David Wayne]

All of them. That's. That's a more common experience. I was just. Somebody was just yesterday asking me about Children's Hospital, which is the show we did on Adult Swim for like seven seasons. And that was just like. Because we were in, I mean, I guess like any TV show, but we were doing. We would shoot two episodes every four day. Shoot block. And we were writing it and directing it and editing it all at the same time. And so I just felt like there was never a moment to breathe, you know.

[Josh Adam Myers]

But that's also like. That's also like that exciting thing about making anything when you're just in it. And. And it's like, yeah, you're overwhelmed. And it's like, fuck, how are we going to do this? But start seeing it come together. And I mean, that might have been. Yeah, it's.

[David Wayne]

Yeah. I'm so much happier when I've got one project that has a million tentacles. But I'm trying to. It's all serving one thing versus trying to. You know, when you're in between projects and you're pitching or hustling 40 different things and you're wondering which one's going to go. That part is not fun to me. I hate that part.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah, that's, that's. They actually have it. We're going to talk about that in a moment. All right, this is a song. The next one, DJ Morty Coyle, my writer, really, he said if I don't talk about this song, we might as well end the podcast. Tattooed Love Boys before I get your opinion on it, I just want to give the audience. This is a really cool song. If you don't know anything about it. This is basically Chrissy Hind taking back the power from a sexual assault that she had committed on her by the biker gang, I think, the Hell's Angels. She's hanging out with a friend. She was asked to go to a party with some guys from a local biker gang. Her friend declined, but Hein went along with the bikers. She takes full accountability for the attack, too. In her book Reckless My Life as a Pretender, she wrote, end quote. Now let me assure you that technically speaking, however you want to look at it, this was all my doing and I take full responsibility. You can't around with people, especially people who wear I heart rate and on your knees badges. While she was being attacked, one of the assailants said, shut up, you're going to make some plastic. Shut up or you're going to make some plastic surgeon rich. She paraphrases that threat in the lyrics. You know what they Say, stop sniffing. You're going to make some plastic surgeon a rich man. Chrissy hein waited until 2016 to explain the song, which is understandable considering the subject matter. She typically stayed away from interpreting her lyrics, leaving that task to the listener. But the song is very vexing, man. It's. It's that. To the line that. The line that stopped me in my tracks, which I know you know what I'm talking about. I shot my mouth off, and he said. I'll. He said, showed. I'm gonna show you what that hole was for.

[David Wayne]

And. But I mean, where that comes musically in the song. Oh, God, yeah. It is the most incredible. I mean. And also, I mean, just on the music side, like, the most insane guitar solo of all time. And the back and forth between the guitar and the drums and that, like, at the end.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah. I misquoted the line. It's. I just want to get it right just so every. Because I know Morty's like, you it up. I shot my mouth off. You took me upstairs and show me what that mouth was for. Wow. God damn it, dude. It's. Yeah, it's. It's. It's. Stop. You in your tracks? Like, is it. Is it the mouth? Is it her vagina? Like, is it her. Like, we have no idea. But it's not even just that. It's the fact that she would, like, sing about that, and this is a real thing that happened to her. It's like I was talking to a famous comic for. Who's in New York right now, not with his family. We're walking around during Father's Day yesterday. And. And why was it we were talking about taking the power back? Why don't I just bring that up and then completely lose my train of thought? Either way, this is one of those good.

[David Wayne]

I. I want to say. Because you say. But getting it right. I just looked it up to make sure I'm right.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah.

[David Wayne]

I got pretty good at changing tires upstairs, bro. I shot my mouth off, and you showed me what that hole was for.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah. Yeah, dude. Yeah.

[David Wayne]

Come on.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah, dude. Did you ever have a bad boy period? I know I'm not. Like, it's a weird segue, but did you ever. That's a tough segment.

[David Wayne]

I really didn't. I. I didn't have much of rebellion, and I was sort of the one kid who, like, didn't drink or smoke or get into too much trouble as a kid. I mean, I had my license taken away because I took the wrong left turn when I had. And I Had a suspended license for what?

[Josh Adam Myers]

A bad boy?

[David Wayne]

Yeah. I mean, no. I have no good stories like that.

[Josh Adam Myers]

I dig it. I didn't join a biker gang. No, no. He's like. He's like. I was like, I went to the Hell's Angels. They said, you either got to be beaten or. So I got in, all right.

[David Wayne]

I was too busy in the basement, like, you know, playing with my video.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah, you're like, I was in Hell's Angels, but when they fought other gangs, I held the coats.

[David Wayne]

I did make a video. I did make a TV series with my friend when I was 12 called Fight On Hollywood Boulevard about different Latino warring gangs, which I knew nothing about, but we played all the parts. I think it would be considered problematic to today probably.

[Josh Adam Myers]

It's. Is it. Is it more problematic than. Than the. The fake Latina character in the movie Aliens, which is my favorite movie of all time. And then I just found out that that's the woman that played the mother, the foster mother in Terminator 2, and played the Irish mother in the Titanic.

[David Wayne]

Oh, interesting.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Just a regular white chick that was jacked. Yeah, dude, she's so good in it.

[David Wayne]

I mean, the old days, you could play all ethnicities that it's not the.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Thing anymore, and now you can't. Except for Jews. You can play Jewish, which cannot play.

[David Wayne]

Anything else, although that's becoming also a thing you can't do.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Not according to Sarah Silverman. She said it's Jew face. Is. Is been going on forever.

[David Wayne]

Right?

[Josh Adam Myers]

But.

[David Wayne]

But Sarah Silverman's been a big voice for stopping that from happening. And, like, she. She spoke up, and. And they ended up canceling the Katherine Hahn biopic about Joan Rivers.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Oh, they did? I didn't know. Oh, see, that's funny, because that. That was gonna. That was where I remember it really coming up. And. And I had no idea. They cancel that. Good for them. Get a Jew. That sounds so racist. Need something done.

[David Wayne]

Gather up all the Jews and bring them. Wait a minute. Don't say that.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Me and Jeremiah. I'm going to see Oasis in England in. In late July, and I'm. I'm going through, like, a period of, like, soul searching and so up. So I'm gonna. I'm gonna go get lost in Europe and. And one of the places we're gonna go is Auschwitz. Auschwitz. I've never been. Yeah, I would hope so. Most people, you know, it's not like, don't.

[David Wayne]

Don't stay lost when you're there. Like, make sure you leave.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[David Wayne]

Dude, I Don't think it's operational anymore. In the same, we'll do a couple.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Of those like sad Tick Tock videos. I hate it. You're not luring me there, are you? Just now. Dude, I'm gonna get you. I'm gonna get you to Turkey and then we'll tickle you because they're a Turkish bath house. It's my whole plan.

[David Wayne]

All right.

[Josh Adam Myers]

I'm skipping Space Invader because that's. Because I don't think that's just about the video game.

[David Wayne]

Except that it's also got the sound of the video game in it, which is. That's. You can. You can skip it otherwise.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah.

[David Wayne]

Because the next song is my favorite song on the record.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Oh, you should do that at the end. But who gives a. Let's. We got it now so we don't have to ask that question.

[David Wayne]

We blow. We blew it. But people are dying to know.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Buried the lead.

[David Wayne]

It.

[Josh Adam Myers]

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[David Wayne]

Well I guess I think retroactively I realized that part of it is because it's that weird 147 time signature but it's just also just one of my favorite songs and we played it in my band when I was 15 or 16 at when we won the middle school the Byron Middle School battle. The bands playing a cover of this song the wait along with Haha I'm Drowning by Teardrop Explosion Rhodes and this Charming man by the Smiths breaking this charming man.

[Josh Adam Myers]

What's your favorite song to play with middle aged damn band? Can I guess as a drummer I I see that you guys have done scenes from an Italian which is super fun. Yeah. Especially by the ending which is almost like the ending to Born to Run as well. Well.

[David Wayne]

We actually have done. We've mashed them together. Exactly that on stage.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah.

[David Wayne]

Run goes to that anything Then we go right into into and Burr Burr.

[Josh Adam Myers]

And me went to go see Billy. I've seen Billy more than anybody I've probably seen about 26 times live. Oh, 15 of them. 15 of them in a row at Madison Square Garden.

[David Wayne]

You have to come. We're gonna in January I think we're gonna be doing an all night only Billy Joel concert.

[Josh Adam Myers]

So we did that at the goddamn Comedy Jam at Moon Tower a couple years ago. I opened with. I opened with I Go to Extremes. Big J did Allentown, the Sclars did Big Shot, Giam Marco Sorcy did Piano man and then Lisa Ann Walter did Scenes from an Italian and our keyboardist couldn't play the so Judy Gold we held the note that boom boom boom boom boom boom. We were like, ladies and gentlemen, give it up for Judy Gold. And she came up and.

[David Wayne]

Oh, my God, I love it.

[Josh Adam Myers]

I would love to be a part of it.

[David Wayne]

Meanwhile, our piano player plays it perfectly.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Okay, well, is. Is your plan to play a 6 foot 7 lesbian comic?

[David Wayne]

Weirdly, yes, but.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Okay. All right.

[David Wayne]

My other favorite song to play, though, just to answer questions. Who are you? Because anything that's challenging, I like to. That's what makes it fun.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Totally. Well, you know, we. You know, one of our contributors to the podcast is Mike Portnoy. You know that, right? Yeah, yeah.

[David Wayne]

He came on with him on Instagram once or twice. He's a great guy.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Great guy. And loves music. He came on to do Captain Fantastic and the Brown Derby. Is that the album called? Yeah, but it was just. And then he. He writes blurbs about other records that he loves that we read. So he just. Just had a blurb about. We just did Paul's Boutique last week. So he wrote a blurb about how. That's the Sergeant Pepper. Yeah. And talk about another great documentary. I recommend everybody watch the Beastie Boys doc on Apple TV by Spike Jones. It's phenomenal. Really gives you the. The scope of how important MCA was as a human being. Yeah. All right, dude, my question for you for the weight. I have two. One. I have two of them, but I. I don't. I don't. I'm gonna do the Morty question. Jeremiah, you'll be happier. What's the best moment when you didn't do something? You took a pause because you were maybe heated. Maybe it was a note. You ever gotten a note and you were about to say off, and then you just had to pull back? You waited. The weight.

[David Wayne]

I feel like as I've grown and matured as a person all the time, I've learned now to stop before reacting. Acting, you know?

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah.

[David Wayne]

Second. So, yeah. But a good example.

[Josh Adam Myers]

I don't know.

[David Wayne]

I feel like there's.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah.

[David Wayne]

Many times somebody says something, and I'm like, I want to attack them back. And I'm like. And then I take a second. I'm like, oh, no. Actually, it's not worth it. I can just chill. It's okay. Let them work out their own thing.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Take it. But go ahead. Yeah, good. No, no, no, no. You go ahead, because you're supposed to say something. I don't. They want to hear me.

[David Wayne]

I'm just excited about the song. The word wait. Because also, the most incredible drum thing. And I played that song live. Just. I've sung it and played the Drums live with the Baked Potato with Steve Agee once.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[David Wayne]

And then I made my own cover of it one time that you can see on YouTube and I had to slow it down to sing the work. The words are so fast that I couldn't sing them. So wait. Child, Mentor child. We're going out now. We're.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Wait.

[David Wayne]

Chopped child, Puto child Hurts and all that stuff.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Anyway, I love it. What's the longest wait you ever had on a project from finished to being released?

[David Wayne]

Well, I've had many things that were never released and I've also had many projects where the studio or the financer says yes, let's go. And then it's another year before anything the next step happens. Or. Or right now I'm. I just had a meeting this morning about a project that I've been working on for like six years trying to. You know, everything's so slow.

[Josh Adam Myers]

It really does move like snail's pace in Hollywood.

[David Wayne]

Well the movie that I'm editing right now, we wrote it 10 years ago. We've been trying to make it for 10.

[Josh Adam Myers]

No way, dude.

[David Wayne]

Yeah.

[Josh Adam Myers]

And you've been pitching it for 10 years and then. And then finally you got a bite.

[David Wayne]

Finally got it. Bite.

[Josh Adam Myers]

How exciting was that bite though? Like did you guys.

[David Wayne]

Incredibly excited. And the. The one movie I made before in 2013 they came together same thing. We had written it originally in 2003 and just, you know, I never shut up about it until somebody finally said.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yes, I love it. Yeah, that's determination because you know what you did? You stopped your sobbing. End of side one. Bringing it back. Ray Davies, not Ray Davis. Everybody know I don't know music besides Stone Temple Pilots and they're not on this list. Yeah. This is recorded by the kings from the 64 self titled debut record by the Kings Pretenders. Front woman Chrissy Hind had been a longtime Kings fan. Suggested the band try the song. She explained I pulled it out of the air when we were in rehearsals surprised that no one had heard it before. Ray and Hind eventually met at a New York Club in 80 began a relationship and skidoodled and they got a kiss kid. So there you go man. That's crazy how the happens in this world.

[David Wayne]

Thoughts on good that might happen now someday I'm gonna meet Chrissy Hind and we'll have a kid.

[Josh Adam Myers]

100 yeah. Oh yeah.

[David Wayne]

Anything's possible.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Anything. Anything. Thoughts on stop your sobbing. What do you love? What do you dislike? Anything you tell me.

[David Wayne]

I didn't realize it was a cover till later on. And so then when I listened to the original, I was like, oh, how cool. How interesting. Interesting. Another great song that I have played in bands in my life. And nothing else to say?

[Josh Adam Myers]

No, Perfect. But I'll tell you this, though. Go ahead. No, Jer. Go ahead, you go. Well, just. You said that Chris and Chrissy Hine had, like, fired him. Or did you say the opposite? Because it sounded like what? I was just looking at this interview that Nick Lowe did, the producer, and he said that. Oh, yeah, we have that. Yes, he. She was only interested in the one track, the COVID and the rest of that he wasn't really into. And then what a. What a blessing, though. I mean, God damn, what a blessing to be able to be able to get the new producer that basically molds their sound and does everything. Talk about happy accident. Or like, I don't really dig you. And she's like, all right, well off. And then, you know.

[David Wayne]

Yeah.

[Josh Adam Myers]

I'm ashamed to say that they went on to make a bunch of great albums, and I foolishly, you know, they only got a shrug from me, so.

[David Wayne]

And she clearly has never been one to be hesitant to fire people. I mean, she's constantly, like, letting people go and trying new, you know, collaborators and guitarists and songwriters. It's. She's. She's just like, I'm doing my thing and fuck you.

[Josh Adam Myers]

What's the last thing, David, that made you cry?

[David Wayne]

I was crying. I had a little. Had some teary moments. Moments on Saturday at the protests.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah, you were in downtown la.

[David Wayne]

You know what? One thing that made me cry is the. The city bus driver came by, drove through and honked his horn in solidarity. And just something about the way that. That happened in the groundswell of Cheers and everything, it just made me feel slight, slightly hopeful, you know, it's so up.

[Josh Adam Myers]

I haven't been in LA since the. The. The protest started. But how most of the world thinks all of LA is on fire. And it's literally two blocks in downtown.

[David Wayne]

La, and this is a massive city.

[Josh Adam Myers]

A massive city. And that's like. It's in the area of like. Like, literally three blocks away is the most amount of drug addict homeless people. It's like, it's not Beverly Hills that's on fire. I love those videos where people are like, yep, LA is burning as they walk through, like, Westwood. And there's, like, women, you know, with the yoga mats, drinking a smoothie.

[David Wayne]

Yeah, it's pretty absurd. It's pretty absurd.

[Josh Adam Myers]

It's pretty absurd. You know, whether you're you're for it or, or you're against it, you know? Have you chosen your side? You know, I hope everybody sleeps well and enjoys their life. It's just this. This world is a up place. So if I would. If I would recommend anything. Listen to the 500 every Wednesday if it comes out on time. What's a lot, Jeremiah? What's the last thing that made you cry? My brother in law died not to bring everybody down, but. Jesus Christ, dude. My God. It's just. You want to talk about the Holocaust for a few more minutes? You want to back to Auschwitz? My God. Sorry. And I'll say the last thing. What made me cry? Oh, I was listening to God Only Knows when Brian Wilson passed away. And I was just with my dog and. And I really applied the song to her because she's eight and a half. And it's just incredible. Like, you know, you never can prepare for it. You try to like. I try to like sit in it and go, you know, hey, man, this is, you know, it's the deal. But I don't think you could ever, so. But that's what's beautiful about life. The love that you get from, you know, from. From art, from. From community, from protests, from music, from everything. It's just dogs, whatever. It's just love is. Is. Is what makes the world go around. According to Oasis, all around the world. All right, Off.

[David Wayne]

All right. I'm just with you, dude.

[Josh Adam Myers]

All right, let's start side two with Kid, which I just came to found out. This is about a fictional boy discovering that his mother is a prostitute. As you do. How do you think he found out? She was like. He opened the door and she was like, off. I'm.

[David Wayne]

Maybe. Maybe it was like that movie, the Florida Project.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Is that what that's about? I didn't watch it. I've. I've.

[David Wayne]

Incredible.

[Josh Adam Myers]

I watched Tangerine and I watched in Nora, but I never watched the Florida. But I love Willem. Willem.

[David Wayne]

Florida Project might be my favorite of them. Yeah, done.

[Josh Adam Myers]

I'm watching it. I'm watching it. Thoughts on Kid.

[David Wayne]

Kid, another favorite. I love the. The melody. I see. I focus more on the music than the lyrics, I guess.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Sure.

[David Wayne]

But also. Yeah, it's really haunting story of the, of the. She's very confessional always. But yeah, I don't know, I just. I like the flowing and to go.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Off of the musicality. Johnny Mar of the Smiths has cited Honeyman Scott as an influence. Often uses Kid as a warm up song before gigs, by the way. And I know, I know. David. I'm assuming you've probably seen him live. I saw Johnny Marr at the Brooklyn Paramount Count and I mean, I'm telling you, dude, that might be one of the coolest rock stars that's ever lived. Like, that concert was so much fun.

[David Wayne]

Sounds great to see the Smiths. I wish I had, but I, but.

[Josh Adam Myers]

As we get older though, I think, you know, at least me being I only became a fan of the Smiths through, through the podcast. But Johnny Mars, the band Morrissey.

[David Wayne]

Yeah.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Is cool, man. Was cool. But now if you're going to choose a side. All right. Putting you on the spot again.

[David Wayne]

That's what it was. It was the two of them together that made it.

[Josh Adam Myers]

I know, but now, now who do you pick?

[David Wayne]

Well then Johnny Marr worked with Chrissy.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Hind for a while, so you pick Johnny. Yeah, of course.

[David Wayne]

I guess so. Yeah, sure.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Good. What's the weirdest thing you found out about your parents?

[David Wayne]

That my mom took a two week break from the contraceptive sponge in the late 60s and that's why I came around.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Wow. Yeah, dude.

[David Wayne]

They had already had three teenage daughters and, and it just had an unexpected.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Surprise and what a surprise they got. Great surprise.

[David Wayne]

I also found out that they co hosted a local TV show called the Friedman Buick Dance Party in Flavono, Ohio.

[Josh Adam Myers]

What?

[David Wayne]

And I saw black and white movies of this recently and I was like, whoa.

[Josh Adam Myers]

But you didn't know this growing up?

[David Wayne]

Not really.

[Josh Adam Myers]

That's amazing. It's so cool.

[David Wayne]

They also had a show called a one minute long radio show called Teen Beat where my mother, my dad would read a letter from a teenager like asking for advice on something and my mother would give the answer.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Oh my God. Early podcasting, that would have been a hit.

[David Wayne]

Yeah, yeah.

[Josh Adam Myers]

It was like, I assume that TV show was very, I correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm, I'm envisioning the TV show to be very like waiting for Gus Guffman esque, you know, Everybody dance, you know, could be.

[David Wayne]

I, I, I wonder if there's any way to ever see it. It's probably, you know, it's just live and over every time.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Wow. It was in your DNA, that's what you're saying?

[David Wayne]

I guess so.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Oh, we figuring it out. Private Life. Let's dig into Private Life. Shortly after this track was released, it was covered by Grace Jones on her first record, warm leatherette set Right Kind is quoted as saying, like all the other London punks, I wanted to do reggae and I wrote Private Life. When I first heard Grace's version, I thought, now that's how it's supposed to sound. Wow.

[David Wayne]

Oh, interesting.

[Josh Adam Myers]

I love Grace, man. I mean, View to a Kill. My favorite Bond movie. Stranger Boomerang. Just. I mean, just gorgeous.

[David Wayne]

One of a kind also.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah, one of a kind, sure. Yeah. What are your thoughts on private life? Do you want to. Musically, you want to talk about that or you want to play drums?

[David Wayne]

My favorite bass lines on the album.

[Josh Adam Myers]

There it is. This right here. Jeremiah. This is the. This is the David Wayne sweet spot. When he gets the mouth. Mouth. Vocalized music.

[David Wayne]

This conversation is making me feel like I want to do like David Wayne plays the whole Pretender's first album on tour.

[Josh Adam Myers]

You do that. I'll do. Okay. Computer by Radiohead.

[David Wayne]

All right, you can open for me.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Oh, yeah, that probably makes sense. Okay. I really like Private Life. I really like it. And then I listened to the Grace Jones version. I really liked it.

[David Wayne]

Yeah, she did give it a little spunk too.

[Josh Adam Myers]

I've got three questions for this. I don't know. I like this one first. When was the moment you lost your private life? Life.

[David Wayne]

I have. I am a private. I. I am not a celebrity. I have no fame.

[Josh Adam Myers]

You don't get recognized. When was the first time you got recognized, though?

[David Wayne]

I get recognized infrequently enough that it's never been, like, a hassle or a bother. I mean, the only time it's ever even come close to it is if we're at our. One of our shows and I just want to, like, leave the show or something and people are wanting to talk to me. But I. I have. I. I'm thrilled to. That people in my world recognize my work, and that's wonderful. But if I ever feel like I want to get recognized, I know I can go to this one revival movie house near my house, where I know that people who hang out there tend to overlap in the vending room of people who are fans of our.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, I get it, dude. If you want that ego boost you're feeling, God damn this project and the corporate people aren't giving me. Let's go to the movie house.

[David Wayne]

If I'm in, like, a college town, there's a certain type of, like, coffee shop or place where I know I will likely get recognized if I walk in there.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What do you remember? Can you remember the first time you though you were recognized?

[David Wayne]

I remember very well because the. A group of us from the state right as the show first came on MTV went skiing. Like we drove out from New York somewhere in Pennsylvania to go skiing. And we were sitting in the lodge and people were like pointing at us and we're like, holy, our show's on the TV and people are actually know who we are. Like that was a very clear memory of like, oh my God, this isn't insane. But another funny story that reminds me of is later on in 2005, I we our show Stella came on Comedy Central and they put these big giant pictures of us up in front of Tower Records, like these big sort of billboards on the wall. And so I remember saying to my fiance at the time, you know, just so you know, like, life's going to be pretty different from now on. Like we're not going to be able to just walk around anonymously and you know, I'm probably going to have to have a big team around and blah, blah, blah. Turns out that was really not.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah. Just so you know, honey, you know.

[David Wayne]

I remember be prepared for a lot of.

[Josh Adam Myers]

First time I got recognized was after the. The. The Netflix special thing came out, the Billboard Presents and I was in perfect timing. I was with my nieces and my sister and her husband at the Empire State Building in New York City. And this. These cute girl. Two cute girls came up and they were. You just in a Netflix special. And I was like, yeah. And they were like, like, oh my God, my boyfriend loves you. And I was like. It just was like in front of like my like, like you know, 15 year old niece. My. My you know, 13 year old niece. And. And they're just like, oh. And it was like. And I wouldn't want to be like I was. I played it off like, yeah, this happens all the time. But it was like inside I was like, oh, wow. And then it's even cooler now with the Internet and my clips going viral or having some of them gone. You know, it's. It's insane. Just the power.

[David Wayne]

I like when I'm recognized when my. With my kids. Because then I'm like, see, I'm not as much of a loser as you think.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Exactly, exactly. But I am the cool I uncle. All right, like speeding this up. I mean, we.

[David Wayne]

Yeah, go guys. What the.

[Josh Adam Myers]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. We going nowhere. You're going nowhere. We're talking about the Pretenders debut record here. Get me pictures of Spider Man. All right. Pocket Brass in pocket. Perfect song. It is listed as number 389, Rolling Stone magazine's list of the 500 greatest songs of all time. Just Ahead of Anner Sandman and just behind DMX's up. Chrissy described. Oh my God, dude. Perfect music video. She was trying to do a Motown song but couldn't get it quite right. It's just. It's got everything that you want. It's cocky, it's. She's sure of herself. It's like she's so confident and just. Even in that music video where she's playing the diner worker, it's just she looks. She just looks like a rock star, man. And what a great way to be. Like, hey, everybody, I'm Chrissy, this is my band. We're about to take over this music scene and we're someone to not be with.

[David Wayne]

Peace. It's just so. And then all. And yeah, no one. He came up with that riff, I guess, you know, like it's played in a way that is not right. Like, I don't know. There's something guitar players have told me that once they actually figured it out, they're like, this is not the way you would ever think of something. And it's just so cool that when someone's brain works different, differently. We played that song with our band, the current Middle Aged Dad Jam band, not too long ago and Natalie Morales sang it and it was really awesome.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Oh, wow. She didn't like it. She said she didn't like it when she was recorded. She came to test it when it became a huge UK hit. She says, it was a phenomenon that evades me completely. I was honestly very disappointed. It was such a huge hit. I was embarrassed by it. She explained that it was the group's producer, Chris Thomas, who convinced her to release it. She put it up. She put up considerable resistance. She knew that fans love the song, so she held her nose and played it at concerts and eventually stopped slanging it off in the press. It remains the Pretender set list throughout their career. She said, I didn't like my voice on it. I was kind of a new singer and listening to my voice made me kind of cringe. Which is so funny to hear her say that when we're talking about how confident and cool and everything that she is. It went to number one in the UK and I rose to number one in America as well, if I'm not mistaken. No, wait, am I this up? Hold on, let me just read it the right way. It became a single, rose to the top in January 80 stayed at number one for two weeks. The album was released in that month and it went to number one in the uk. In America, it Took a while for the group to get noticed. Practice in the Pocket was her first single there. Sorry. It was. Went to number 14 in May of 1980.

[David Wayne]

That's not exactly number one.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Now you're yelling at me. Okay. And I'm just trying to speed the podcast up. I'm even gonna skip over Lovers of Today. All right, all right.

[David Wayne]

Don't skip that. Don't skip Lovers of Today, then.

[Josh Adam Myers]

I won't. Fine. I have to go now.

[David Wayne]

Did you want to. Josh.

[Josh Adam Myers]

But it was the eighth clip on mtv. That was the eighth. Was it really?

[David Wayne]

Video ever. And I was watching. That was my birthday in 1981 that MTV launched.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Launched. Yeah. Dude. I also remember the day that. That the cable guy showed up to our house and installed cable. We went from five channels to 15 because my parents didn't have the money for the 30 or whatever it was. What's the first thing you did with your first bit of money you got?

[David Wayne]

I went. The first. Any amount of money I got was when I directed that movie Role Models. And. And. And for the premiere, I went to Barney's and bought this really expensive suit. And I was. I. It was. It actually was not. It was not the greatest suit, and it didn't really fit that well, and I've never worn it again since. And also I realized at that time that nobody gives a shit what the director of a movie wears to the premiere or any male at anything. And so they wear suits. A suit like. Or a suit that fit me. Well, you know, that any tailor could happen. I could have gotten for 200 bucks. And I. But it learned that lesson.

[Josh Adam Myers]

But it does feel nice when on the inside it says Barbados, which is my expensive suit that I bought that if I gain any weight I will never be able to wear. So lay off the testosterone, Josh. All right. Lovers of Today. I'm not going to skip over it because David. Little David wants us to do it. All right.

[David Wayne]

There we go. That's my. Maybe my second favorite on this album. Just because.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Why is it your second favorite?

[David Wayne]

It's. Well, it's complicated. I loved learning to. I. I remember as a kid playing it on the piano and trying to figure out all the way the chords melded with each other and the way that the vocal overlapped into the second one. And the. The riff would, like, start under the thing before. It just was all these cool things it did. And it's in six time, I think. And it's also just a very unusual song to be on a rock record. It's. It goes These incredibly slow stopped parts. And then it starts, then it stops. And I just love it.

[Josh Adam Myers]

I do too. But I really like. I. You know, I don't have any really info or anything on this one. Hence was why I was going to skip over it. But I love that. I love what you said. And so I'm.

[David Wayne]

Please don't think I covered that one.

[Josh Adam Myers]

You really did. What about Mystery Achievement? Because I love it because it kind of. Kind of go back to the Motown thing and. And it's just. What a great way to end the record. I mean, really, it's just. It's. This record shows you just the influences are on their sleeves of every single thing that must have been going on in that time and what happened before it. And it's like to come out with a record like this as your debut and then to end. To start it with off and to end it with Mystery Achievement. I mean, right? That's badass, man.

[David Wayne]

When I first saw them in 83, I remember they. The encore was Mystery Achievement. And I just. I don't think I had clocked that song as much before that night. And I remember just that. That. And I was just like, this rocks. And it was. And they did like a longer version. Just kept like sort of chugging along. I. They. Some of their songs that are like Chugga Chugging. The like the other ones on Learning. Anyway. Yes. Love it.

[Josh Adam Myers]

So let me ask you this because I really like what you just said right there. Because that's a really good question. The other question, because I love it when you're. There's a song that you're like, all right, whatever. This is an okay song. And then you see it live and you're like, oh, I love this song. That happened to me when I went to see Iggy Pop. I always liked Lust for Life, but then I saw them do it with his new band, or at least with. I think the guy's name is Andrew Watt on guitar. The big music producer and a young kid to produced Ozzy's new record, Pearl Jam's new record, Dark Matters. This kid is so talented. I'm a fan. I wish I was him in so many levels.

[David Wayne]

I think you are really. I think you are him on so many levels.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Thanks, man.

[David Wayne]

I mean, no big deal.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Wow it. Hey, dude, I need to hear that today. Dude. I was feeling more like, I. I can't think of the woman that I had in my head. Who's the woman that's like, you know, we'll be grand. We be great, man. The World on your slam. The St. Jose.

[David Wayne]

I don't know.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Damn it. What is it? Ethel Merman. Ethel Merman. I kept wanting to say Elaine May, and I'm like, it's not Elaine May. She's a comic. I was like, it's Ethel Mermaid. I was thinking to remember an airplane when they're like, yeah, and this. They're at the hospital. He's like, and this person's this. And this person. This person thinks it's Ethel Merman. It's really Ethel. And she's like, y' all Big Brian.

[David Wayne]

Guess. Was Joanne Worley Close enough.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Dude. What's it. What's a. What's a. What's a sh. What's a. A song. Other song that you've stalled live that you. You didn't like before. And then you saw it live and you were like, well, that rules.

[David Wayne]

It wasn't that I saw it, but the classic example that everyone would have is I want you to want me.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah.

[David Wayne]

I mean, nothing single and then. But.

[Josh Adam Myers]

But. But the. David, I want to stop you right there, because we did the both of those records live at Budokan, and the record with that on.

[David Wayne]

I appreciate you stopping me because I want to hear the real deal here.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Thank you. Dude. I'm about to give it. Dude. Six years of doing. Six and a half years of doing this podcast. The. The regular version. You. You went off. The. Off the album is, like, cheesy.

[David Wayne]

Yeah. It's terrible.

[Josh Adam Myers]

And then they. They take it up to 11 according to Spinal Tap, and they give you a rock song. And with Live a Buddha.

[David Wayne]

Some of these songs get unleashed when they go live.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah.

[David Wayne]

And that's exactly exciting when that happens.

[Josh Adam Myers]

So. So not. Not wreck. So was it. Did you see I just. Cheap Trick Live?

[David Wayne]

No, I actually. I did see them live, but it was. It was after everyone knew that that was, like, the greatest hit. I saw them at the Great American Rib Cook off in Cleveland, Ohio, which I was a camera operator on for the local TV station in 1989.

[Josh Adam Myers]

The Forest Gump of comedy. My point has been proven once again. Who won the Chili Cook off that year? Was it. Was it Frank Tarkinton? Again, that.

[David Wayne]

This is the weirdest thing. I don't know why, but I can't remember who won. Won the Rib Cook off that year. That dude.

[Josh Adam Myers]

That guy's rib. Frank Tarkendon. Not only a great quarterback for the old Washington football team.

[David Wayne]

Yeah.

[Josh Adam Myers]

But he is also a rib master. Falling off the bone.

[David Wayne]

I will say one I remember seeing. I remember liking the Replacements but then going to see them live in a bar in Cleveland when I was like 13 and being like, oh, oh my.

[Josh Adam Myers]

You saw the Replacements live in a.

[David Wayne]

Tiny bar and they. Dude, that. No, that was like a life changing event. That was like, oh, I see. It's not just like going to the Coliseum and seeing some band like this. Sure, this can rock. Can be so visceral and so insane. And like, I was like, this is.

[Josh Adam Myers]

This is it, dude.

[David Wayne]

Yeah.

[Josh Adam Myers]

1. Because of the podcast, I got into him and I remember when so many people were fighting over them and we had David Cross on to do Let It Be. And great, great moment. In the middle of the podcast, he stopped and was like, you know, I didn't know anything about this podcast, but this is awesome. Which you haven't done yet. Because he loved that we took the album and made it about your life.

[David Wayne]

So special, you know, I didn't know anything about this podcast, but this is awesome.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Thanks, man. Man, you just. These compliments are raining down, but isn't that cool? But the Replacements are just. I mean, I went to the Let It Be house when I was in Minnesota last.

[David Wayne]

Oh, really?

[Josh Adam Myers]

Oh, man, I'm such a huge fan of. Dude. Alex Chilton is like, one of my favorite songs ever.

[David Wayne]

I will dare. Are you kidding?

[Josh Adam Myers]

Oh, God, I can't hardly wait. Can't hardly wait.

[David Wayne]

Oh, dude, I'm satisfied. Forget it. It. I want to do Replacements tour.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Dude, it's. It's one of those bands that. I get it. Now I understand why cool people love cool music and why they. Why they really like the Replacements. I tried to make the connection how Mr. Show was the Replacements of comedy. I think I did a pretty good job of that, too. And I feel that the state and when Hot American Summer and Stella is the pretenders of comedy.

[David Wayne]

I will take the moniker, please.

[Josh Adam Myers]

And to go against. Not to go against it. To back up what you're saying too, Jer. Remember when we went to go see I Liked My Morning Jacket and then me and you went to go see them and Lake Trout open for them at the 9:30 Club during the It Still Moves tour? And it was like, oh, yeah, that's rock and roll. That's. That's the thing about Turnstile, Dude. I. I really think, David, you might really like them. Watch their videos after. I really do, man. I really think you'll like them. And their new record is just perfect. And it's that thing that it's like, yeah, that you listen to the album. You're like, well, it's a good band. This is a really good album. And then you watch them do it live and you're like holy. And they don't have security so they let the kids come up and like slam dance and then crowd surf. It's. It's what life is about, man. It really is. It's a bunch of people just that don't know each other. It's the same reason we go to the movies. And when I went to go see Bring Her Back last week when the movie ended did 10 of us stood out front and talked to each other. We just sat in a dark room. It's like when you go to a concert. Oh dude, go see Bring Her Back in the thief. Dude. It is if you like gore. Uncomfortable gore. It's so good. Those two directors from Australia, I don't know their names but I watched a lot of their old YouTube videos. Those are guys just like you, David. The way that you shot camera at the rib cook off and then you went the doodles and you skadoodle danged and then you stella'd and then you zig when people were zagging.

[David Wayne]

Same dude see at the, at the 9:30 Club. By the way, before I go shut up. Think really. Oh my God. Because I grew up with in Shaker Heights, Ohio with Craig Wedgent.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Sold it out. Sold it out. June 2022.

[David Wayne]

Good man.

[Josh Adam Myers]

And it was a right here in my. Huh. I have it right here in my office. 3 year anniversary in a month, A week. Yeah. Yep. I 6-27-2022 is the DC Improv doing their 30th anniversary. And they had me do the goddamn comedy jam there and they didn't want to do it there. They were like we'll just do it at the club. And I go no, I'm from D.C. if you want to do this, we do it either at the Black cat or the 9:30 club. And then they got us the 9:30. They called me and they said we're going to give you a Cream Dream weekend. You're going to headline our club. And then on Monday we're going to do the 9:30 club and with Jessica Curson and, and, and Tony woods and Cypher Sounds legends of like New York comedy and D.C. people that have been there. And it was just, it was the most magical night. You know we, we hold on back, back to right the beginning about all this. How this moment is the only moment we have is like you hold on to so many failures and so many no's in your life and you know, the Good stuff comes, and you always. You always hold on to it while it's happening, and then you always seem to forget it and go right back to the misery. Sometimes it's like. To be able to. Like, that's a moment. I hold on to it. Anytime I ever think that. That my man, I'm not doing. It's like, dude, you played the 9:30 club. You sold that out, dude.

[David Wayne]

Yeah, just.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah, there's.

[David Wayne]

There's a lot of those. You get those moments in life and you're like, this is. This is. Doing this makes it all. It's enough. I remember when we were doing the state. I was 22 years old. I'm 55 now, and Ken Marino came. Came up to me, and he's one. He's like, dude, if this was the end of it, it's been a wild ride already. And I was like, yeah, you're right. So there you go. It's all.

[Josh Adam Myers]

And now you guys are like, baby, come back any.

[David Wayne]

For sure. Meanwhile, Henry is literally downstairs waiting for me to come back to the edit room. So I gotta go.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Okay, cool. We're at this. Up. We got the. We got through that. Dave, I'm so sorry. I mean, I'm having. I'm just really having fun.

[David Wayne]

No, this is a bunch. I want to stay here all day.

[Josh Adam Myers]

But you gotta edit. All right, let's wrap this up. Let's wrap this up. All right. Jared, I don't think. Is there anything that we need to talk. I feel like we hit everything, right? Just the friends she co wrote or he. Yeah, Hein. Co wrote with Lisa Kudrow. Smell Cat. So song. Ah, I didn't like that. I always thought that was gay. And I'm gonna use that. Gay in the right way. The way that it's supposed to be, stays in your mind. Yeah, I just. It's. It's. It is. But, you know, I was never a Friends. We. All right. Gun to your head, Friends or Seinfeld? Who you picking?

[David Wayne]

David Seinfeld.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Perfect. All right, let's wrap this up. Dude. Please come back on. I don't. And I mean this when I say it, David. Like, I. I love doing this podcast, but it's because of episodes like this. I really had a good time with you today, man. I'm a huge fan, obviously. Please invite me to sing. I Go to Extremes on I can murder that song or any Billy Joel song.

[David Wayne]

Come hang out.

[Josh Adam Myers]

I will.

[David Wayne]

Wait, what? How many are you. Through the 500.

[Josh Adam Myers]

We. How many we have left, Jerry? Our last show is down. Yeah. Yeah. May 28, 2028 is the final episode.

[David Wayne]

Wow. Very cool. Cool.

[Josh Adam Myers]

And you know what? You want to know how we're still doing it because of one person? Senator Al Franken.

[David Wayne]

Good, man.

[Josh Adam Myers]

It's true. We almost quit. It really is. We were about to quit, and then Senator Al Franken said, you can't quit. He goes, you got to keep going, dude. I swear to God. And then, literally, I walked outside. Jerry. We were about to talk about money or whatever the it was, and I walk outside. I'm going to get lunch, and a guy points at me. He goes, oh, my God. I'm listening to the Mike Love John Stamos episode of your podcast right now. And I look up and I go, God, God, you don't have to be that blatant. You can just. You could. The landing could be a lot smoother. You don't have to be like, all right, let's do this. Let's get some out of here so we can get back.

[David Wayne]

I don't want you to stop either.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Oh, I'm not. I'm not. We're past the point, bro. Now we're past. All right, you already said favorite song on the record. What's your least favorite song on the record?

[David Wayne]

Oh, my God. I have to pull up the the thing again. Favorite song might be. I really, really do love every song on this record. For real. But I guess maybe the phone call is the least memorable.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Sure. I'll dig it. What's the next question? What? Oh, can you to this record?

[David Wayne]

Oh, big time. And I have nice. I really have.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Really?

[David Wayne]

It's one of. It's one. I, I. There's like, three or four records that I think of when I think of, like, oh, this is music.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Which. And they are the Pretenders. And what are the other two, too?

[David Wayne]

Twin Peaks soundtrack, depending on different mood.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Sure.

[David Wayne]

And then maybe, like, Give Me Shelter, that kind of rolling stuff.

[Josh Adam Myers]

I'm so excited to go to England in July and talk about me and do my jokes, but I have a whole bunch of jokes about music to To. And be able to talk about Portishead and Massive Attack with them, because I was like, you guys created the best music to To. Then I go, what were you guys to before that? That you say hello and I say goodbye. They. They didn't to that. Maybe they did. All right, what would be your elevator pitch to get someone to listen to the debut record of the Pretenders by the Pretenders. What's your. What's your elevator pitch?

[David Wayne]

It's a Whole album of every song. Bangers Special. Unlike any other album you've heard that's like, it rocks hard and also is like, like spiritual and beautiful and interesting and deep and it's got everything you want all in one record.

[Josh Adam Myers]

I don't think you could have said it any better. I. I really don't. I think that was the perfect way to end it. David, please promote away. Anything you want everybody to check out or. I mean, we've talked about Wet Hot.

[David Wayne]

If you're in the east coast in July, please come by. We're going to be doing four incredible shows with the Middle Aged Dad Jam Band. So much fun, fun music, comedy. Me and Ken Marino and a bunch of others. Craig Wedron is on our tour too. And it's Albany and Boston and Philly and then New York, Queens, the Rockaway Hotel. It's gonna be great, dude.

[Josh Adam Myers]

You know I live in New York City, right?

[David Wayne]

Come on by.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Can I, can I do a song? I'll kill it, dude. I'll kill it. I know I'm not, I'm not as famous as you guys, but dude, I will murder it.

[David Wayne]

Let me go and I'll talk to my partner, Ken.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Okay, cool. Okay. Okay, dude. David.

[David Wayne]

But it's. We're gonna be at the, the Rockaway Hotel in Queens. It's gonna be super fun. Madjb.com dude, check them out.

[Josh Adam Myers]

And check the videos out. It's Dude. David, when I say you're the Forrest Gump comedy man, you. You're definitely up there. I mean it. But more than anything, dude, thank you for coming on today. This really was something that I needed. I think our fans are gonna go crazy for this episode, especially with just your vocalizations on. We just, we're just gonna. Can't take them out. Make a whole album of that. Thank you, brother.

[David Wayne]

Have a great one.

[Josh Adam Myers]

What I tell you? What I tell you. The one and only David Wayne. Follow him on Instagram and Tick Tock at David Wayne. That's D A V I D W a I n YouTube @ David Wayne Tube. Check out the Middle Aged Dad Jam Band. If you're in the northeast in July. Albany, Boston, Queen, Queens in Philadelphia. Oh, it's Queens, not Brooklyn, Queens. I'm so sorry, guys. Instagram, David Wayne. Tick Tock at David Wayne and YouTube at David Wayne2 and DavidWayne.com if I don't know if I already said that, but just support him, man. He is gonna come back. He is one of my favorite people. It's a good dude. This is a that was a great episode, man. You can't. You can't deny a great episode. All right, y' all. We just listened to the Pretenders from their self titled debut. Our new music pick this week brought to you in part by Distro Kid. Our proud sponsor is Ballerina by Daisy the Great. You can find links to the music on our website, the500podcast.com and if you are in a band and were directly influenced by one of these albums or artists and you want your music featured on the 500 website and on the episode, send your song to 500podcast gmail.com make sure you put the album and artist that influenced you in the subject line. Next week it's 154 with Howlin Wolf moaning in the moonlight from 1959. I got two good guests for you that week. I'm not gonna tell you it is both of them returned before or are returning. If you haven't heard the album yet, do your homework. Listen to the record so you're prepared. Stay fleecy all I love you guys. Every day I get a little closer to the ha ha ha ha. I'm just like a baby I need someone there to tell me no don't put that ego in your mouth. You're gonna choke everyone. People party proudly posing post imperfect peers talking, walking how about we talk about our perfect years? Shall we see? Shouting loudly I have had enough in here Do I want to be a perfect party person Filled with tears Sometimes in room There's a quiet kind of ticking of the clocks Sticking to the heart of the matter There's a shadow.

[David Wayne]

Of the mirror in the music box.

[Josh Adam Myers]

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