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167 - Metallica - Master of Puppets - Joe Manganiello
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Joe Manganiello makes his debut on The 500 to talk about the album one of the most important metal albums of all time, Master of Puppets
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Josh Adam Myers
Next Chapter Podcasts.
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Joe Manganiello
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Josh Adam Myers
The businesses behind the business making, selling.
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Joe Manganiello
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Josh Adam Myers
For millions of businesses, that business is Shopify. Nobody does online business better than Shopify.
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Joe Manganiello
It's home of shop pay, the number one checkout in the world. You can use it to boost conversions up to 50%, meaning way less carts going abandoned and way more sales going through. To checkout, sign up for your $1 per month trial period at shopify.com income all lowercase go to shopify.com income to upgrade your selling today. That's shop shopify.com income if fashion is your thing, ebay is it. Ebay's where I find all my favorites. From handbags to iconic streetwear. All authenticated for real this time. A little supreme, some Gucci. I even have that vintage Prada on my watch list. That's why ebay's my go to for all my go tos. Yeah, ebay. The place for new pre loved, vintage and rare fashion. Ebay things people love.
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Josh Adam Myers
This show is brought to you by Distro Kid. Bring your music to the masses. The 500. The 500J been walking us down through that 2012 edition so it ain't nothing too new.
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Joe Manganiello
500S want to go and in need.
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Josh Adam Myers
Of a friend the king of peaceful angelo Talking the 500 until the end Talking the 500 until the end with.
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Joe Manganiello
My man J.
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Josh Adam Myers
On the 500 Talking the 500 until the end Pounding out a gravesen t obsession Gotta kill the battery Can I kill a family? Battery is found at me Battery, battery Hunky donkey dookie boogie boogie Battery I just want to run through a fucking wall. That is Batteries by metallica from their 1986 record Master of Puppets. It's also number 167 out of 500 on the 500 with Josh Adam Myers. Hey man. Hey fleece army how we live and thank you to all the people that have been coming to see me on the road. Big shout out to Bonnie. That's her name. That's the girl that was the cool girl that, that showed up and saw me when I was in Milwaukee. Yeah, I was in Milwaukee and she saw me on the street with like a dog. She is now a queen in the fleece army. And don't forget guys, if you come see me out on the road, you will. You. You will want to boo boo bot you too will be given a status in the Fleece Army. I am out on the road. I'm in town until April 4th and 5th. I'll be in 3rd, Fort Worth, Texas, at Hyenas. Then next weekend after that I will be in Vegas at Jimmy Kimmel's Comedy club. Then the week after that, I'll be at Moon Tower Comedy Festival in Austin. And then on top of that, to end the month, I am going to Lost. No, where am I going? Oh, I'm going to LA to do the jam and shimmy. And then I'm going to Rooster T Feathers the first weekend in May and then I'll be out on the road. Check my website, joshadamyers.com @josh Josh, Adam Myers on all social media, come to a show. It is super duper fun. Also, subscribe to the Patreon because me, DJ Morty Coyle and Wayne Fetty Wab Fetterman have a show called Master Fleece Theater. It is a weekly show on the Patreon where we're talking all things entertainment, all things muses, Muses, all things muses. It's great. I'm having so much fun. If you love this podcast and you love Morty and you love Wayne, this is the place to be. It's more of us just having a hang, having a talk, and you get it all early. $5 gets you the show and you get to be a member of the Fleece army. And if you pay $25 a month, you get some cool merch. Hoodies, T shirts, bumper stickers, everything. Support the show, guys. We need it. We are working really hard on this. Morty is working hard. Me, Adam, jt, Emily. We love these guys. We love everybody. Part of the show. Patreon.com backslash the 500 codcast. Geez, I can't talk today. Podcast. Join the Fleece army. Okay, Metallica. Some of y'all have been waiting for this episode. And I know why. Because this is an important record. This is the definition of thrash metal. If you were ever, and I mean ever, gonna tell somebody that never listened to thrash, hey, what's thrash music? You give them this. And my guest today is a true fan of Metallica, the one and only Joe Manganiello. He is arguably one of the coolest dudes I've ever sat down to talk to. This is why we do the podcast. When you don't know somebody, especially they're like a famous actor, like, ah, this guy may be dull. Dude, we could have talked for two hours. He was so cool. And we're friends now. At least I think we're friends. I think we are. I think I'm gonna go to England now. You'll see. Listen. Listen to it. Oh, I should probably tell you what he does. He's got an incredible movie coming out called Nona. He is the host of Deal or no Deal Island. You've seen him on Magic Mike. You've seen him on True Blood, and he's homies with my homie, Mr. Tomorillo. Also, we're going to talk about his charity real quick. Charity near and dear to him is give to children's.org it's University of Pittsburgh Medical Center, Children's Hospital. Support the cause, Help each other out, love one another, because they are your brother. Rate, review, and most importantly, subscribe to the 500 listen free on all platforms or anywhere you get your podcast. Follow me at Josh Adam Myers on all social media. The podcast is at the 500 podcast. Email the podcast@500podcastgmail.com, follow the Facebook page run by Crazy Oven. And for all things 500, go to the website the500podcast.com. All right, y'all. Nothing left to say, but here we go with number 167 out of 500 with Master of Pupettes by Metaliaca.
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Joe Manganiello
My dog is a complete psycho, but, like, the best. She's like my little psycho, you know? Yeah, it's just the greatest.
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Josh Adam Myers
But then. But see, in my math, when it comes to that, it means that if the dog's a psycho, then secretly you're a psycho because the dog's an extension of the owner.
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Joe Manganiello
Listen, 100. Like, the way that she acts to people is the way that I wish. I wish I could just growl at people and they'd go away or leave me alone.
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Josh Adam Myers
Sure.
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Joe Manganiello
You know? And she can do that and I can't. So I think she does it for me. You know what I mean? She's totally. And then I get to be like, oh, whoa, hey, sorry. Yeah, I don't know. She's crazy, you know, and then be like, good job, good job, good job.
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Josh Adam Myers
Dogs always know, dude. They always know if we're walking by somebody out on the street or another dog. And my dog, who is the calmest dog ever, if she growls at that dog or that person, I'm like, there's something up with that person. Without a doubt, she reads the energy.
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Joe Manganiello
Apparently there's. There's something up with every other person on the planet, so. Which is also kind of in keeping with the way that I feel most Days, so that's fine too. But, but she, she actually, the only other person she really, really loved was my girlfriend. Like right when I, when I met my girlfriend, like day one, she was like, I met. I was coming out of this house, leaving this house party, and she was like, what happened? What would happen if you put your dog on my lap? And I was like, ah, she's probably gonna bite you and it's gonna be over before it even starts. But, but I did. And, and then, yeah, it was like, oh, you like her?
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Josh Adam Myers
All right.
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Joe Manganiello
Yeah, we'll go out with her.
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Josh Adam Myers
Okay. Okay. So before we get in. Before we're in it now, so we might as well jump in. But before I get into Metallica, I want to get. Because we always like to find out who's everybody's teams. I know you're a die hard Steelers fan.
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Joe Manganiello
Yeah.
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Josh Adam Myers
What are you expecting next year? Like, it's a toughie, currently.
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Joe Manganiello
I mean, what am I expecting currently Mason Rudolph to be our starter?
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Josh Adam Myers
What?
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Joe Manganiello
I mean, we need, we need to solve our. You know, I mean, I'd actually be okay with that because of the way that he played before, before he left. I mean, we're, we're, we're waiting on Aaron Rodgers to make a decision.
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Josh Adam Myers
That's the question. Right.
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Joe Manganiello
I think. And then from there, I mean, I don't know if, you know, is Russell Wilson going to sign with Cleveland or is he waiting around to see what the decision with Rogers is?
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Josh Adam Myers
Yeah.
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Joe Manganiello
You know, so there's, there's. Well, I mean, we have questions, we have questions at who's going to play quarterback now. You know, can that person be the difference between, you know, skidding five games to end the season and then winning a playoff game for the first time in a long time and making, making an actual run? You know, are we that close? I don't know. You know, there was, there were points last year where I thought, man, we're like one more draft away from being in contention. But then we skid it at the end of the season and I kind of, man, we have, we have bat. We have like way worse holes than I thought. You know, I thought last year, gosh, if we can get another like potential number one deep threat receiver last year, like I thought, man, we could be pretty good. And then, you know, we get DK this year. But of course, who's throwing a dk, you know, and, and then you look at that skid at the end of the season, you go, were we that close? So I don't know, man. Lots, Lots and lots of questions. So we'll, we'll see who winds up throwing the ball. But like I said, the last time the Steelers had an opening drive touchdown was with Mason Rudolph at the helm.
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Josh Adam Myers
Really?
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Joe Manganiello
Yeah. Weird.
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Josh Adam Myers
You know, I'm, I am, I am a die hard Washington. Me and Jer are from the Montgomery County. He's with the suburbs of D.C. i.
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Joe Manganiello
Am a DC on Saturday.
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Josh Adam Myers
What are you doing there?
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Joe Manganiello
I am speaking to Congress about the current geopolitical situation of Armenia.
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Josh Adam Myers
Really?
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Joe Manganiello
Yeah. Really?
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Josh Adam Myers
No. Well, yeah, and I read that you, you're like. I, I skimmed over it so just like the, the history, history of the long time ago, but it was like your grandparents were involved in like explain it because I don't want to like it up right now.
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Joe Manganiello
So. My, my great grandmother, My great grandmother escaped the Armenian genocide. So she was, you know, there were 1.5.5 million Armenians killed in 1950. Here she is.
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Josh Adam Myers
Nice. Nice.
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Joe Manganiello
1.5 million Armenians were killed in, in 1915 under the veil of World War I. And my grandmother, my great grandmother, her whole village was raised to the ground. She was actually came from a place called Harper, which was later nicknamed the, the Slaughterhouse Province. And so everything she knew was, was, was destroyed and everyone she knew was murdered, including eight of her children were murdered in front of her ninth. She had a, she had an infant that the Turks didn't kill and she strapped it onto her back and had to swim a river to safety. And when she got to the other side of the river, the baby drowned. So she lost everything and then got put into a relocation camp and then was wound up impregnated by a German officer stationed in the, stationed in the Ottoman Empire. And he disappeared and went back to Germany and was kind of lost to time and that. So my grandmother was born in a camp in Constantinople in the wa of World War I and as half German, half Armenian. So, you know, I come from this lineage of, of survival and this really tragic story, but also I carry this survivor gene because of it. And, and, and you know, currently, you know, Armenia sits in. It's this landlocked country in the near east that borders like four very, you know, volatile countries. And, and so, you know, there's, there's a lot kind of going on in the news in the near east, especially like with, you know, Ukraine and Russia and, and people's allegiances to, you know, Israel. There was an ethnic cleansing in 2020. The Azerbaijanis murdered120,000 Armenians in a town called Artsakh. And nobody did anything about it. And so, you know, I'm going to talk to the new congress about Good for you what. What that all means, you know, good for you. Member of the California Diaspora.
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Josh Adam Myers
Good. Please and let us know and you know, we'll send us anything where we can like send like the fleece army, our fans to help support or. Because I know it's. It's a big cause for you and I. Dude, I. Living in Los Angeles, like, you know, the Armenian cult, you know, community was. Was some of the most fun people I had met. They. They like, dude, doing. Doing a. And. And having a group of Armenians there is like. I mean, they laugh. I will put them. I will put Armenians up there with black people on the amount of deaf comedy jam laughter getting out of their seats and like running around the room. Yeah.
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Joe Manganiello
Well, it's like they, you know, they know they. They know how to live because they understand where they come from. You know, they understand like, you know, they. They understand things about. About life on this planet that I think other people maybe don't see.
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Josh Adam Myers
Totally. Totally. You know, but send us everything and we. And it's a great that you're doing that and using your. Your. Your popularity and your stat status to like, to like, get like, you know, just to put some good into the world. And I think that's beautiful. God, I wanted to go right from that to then on the Pittsburgh Penguins, but it's like, how do you. I was gonna say to you. I was gonna say to you when we were still in the Pittsburgh thing, which is. Which is my. When we won the cup in 2019, us winning the cup felt great. Us beating the Penguins in the second round might have. I don't think I've ever cried harder in my life at a sporting event. And then what's so funny too. And I'll. And this is. I'll show you that I'm not just some like Washington D.C. is that every year, me, Steve Byrne and a bunch of other Pittsburgh comics, we do a big show for the Mario Lemieux Foundation.
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Joe Manganiello
Yeah.
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Josh Adam Myers
Cool. So every July, why we do that? It's. He called.
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Joe Manganiello
He's called me the past two years to come to it, but I've been off shooting dealer no Deal island and haven't been able to make it. So. Dude, maybe I'll be able to make it this year because also there's nothing better than Pittsburgh weather in July. August. I mean.
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Josh Adam Myers
Oh, it's great.
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Joe Manganiello
Greatest.
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Josh Adam Myers
I still love. I still love because I. The first time we went to Pittsburgh was for our friend's wedding and I drove there and I think we were drinking the whole way up, so I don't remember much of it. But what I do love is when you come. You get it when you get picked up the airplane, you go through that tunnel which is like, you go through like a mountain and then you come out of that. And then there is all of Pittsburgh and all of its beauty, which, which I'll say this Fort Pitt. Yeah, I'll say this. Dude. It's just one of the most, you know, middle class city, middle class people. And, and, and it's not anything special, like in the sense of like, you know, you're looking at like Tokyo or, or London or New York, but there is such a charm to it. And, and it. Gorgeous. Like it was, it was breathtaking. That's the only way to use it. Like, I know people are shocked.
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Joe Manganiello
They. They're not. That's the Fort Pit tunnel. So when you're, when you head into that tunnel, that area, that's the south hills. That's actually where I grew up and.
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Josh Adam Myers
Went to high school.
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Joe Manganiello
So. Yeah. So anytime, you know, anytime I, I went back to college for the, you know, after the weekend or, you know, we went downtown or went anywhere. Yeah, you. You go through that and it's just, it never gets old for me.
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Josh Adam Myers
It doesn't.
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Joe Manganiello
It's beautiful.
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Josh Adam Myers
Yeah, it really is. It really is beautiful. So did you. Were you able to see Metallica in Pittsburgh? I'm assuming you. You've had to.
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Joe Manganiello
You know, so I'm, you know, I'm, I've missed them the past couple of times because I've been working, so it's kind of been like. There was a moment where I think it was like, it was like. I don't know if it was 21 or 22, but it was like in those pandemicy years where I think it was like Troy Palomalu was going into the hall of Fame, who I'm friends.
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Josh Adam Myers
With, and I was like, good excuse.
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Joe Manganiello
I'm gonna, I'm gonna come back to go see Troy. Troy and Canton. And then Rage against the Machine was getting back together, playing Pittsburgh, and Metallica was playing and they were like a week or two apart. So I was just gonna come back and hang out for the whole, the whole time all those were happening. And then something happened and I think I went to Ireland to work on a series and I didn't make it. So it was like a bummer. But Metallica, triple dumb bummer. No, I know yeah. Now, like, Rage will. Rage will never get back together again, ever.
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Josh Adam Myers
And wait, before you get into that, I got to say this. We're all mutual friends. Tom has. I'm the reason. He's the reason I vote on the Rock and Roll hall of Fame every year because, you know, he recommended me to do it. I think it was also not. We're just. We're budd, and I know music, but I think it was to pad the votes for Rage when they were still, like, you know, because they were up there for the last few years. And then. And then I mean it. And, you know, I am so lucky. I saw the last five concerts of Rage against the Machine at Madison Square Garden. Five of the best shows I've ever seen. And on the one that was the most special, which was the fourth one, I texted Tom after every show. I go, dude, you guys killed it last days, man. You've been to every show. And I go, bro, it's like, you keep changing the lineup a little bit. I don't want to miss it. And plus, I want to be there if you play Fistful of Steel. And then that night, they had a show, and I was like, I got it. I've got a show, and the tickets are too expensive. And I had already reached out to Tim, their tour manager, and couldn't get it. And then Tom texts me and goes, hey, dude, are you coming tonight? We're playing Fistful of Steel. And I'm like, dude, I don't have tickets. And he goes, hit up, Tim, dude. He got me the seat right on his side. I was next to his wife. And then Denzel Washington's son John. It was it, you know, you get it, man. And I mean, you know it. Even though you're friends, it's like, if you would have told yourself that you would be playing Dungeons and Dragons with one of the greatest rock guitarists of all time. You know, it's the fact that he invited me and made me feel that little bit a part of it. It's. It's those moments in life where I'm just like, yeah, dude. Like, I'm. I'm doing good. Like, I. You can never be depressed. I just think of that moment, you know?
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Joe Manganiello
Yeah. I mean, well, and that's, like, a good segue into, like, you know, I mean, I was. I was in Armenia last year, and. And then I. I. I spent 10 days in Armenia and then needed to get to Paris for this art opening, and. And when I got to Paris, my algorithm on my phone changed into, like, all things France, you know.
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Josh Adam Myers
Yeah.
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Joe Manganiello
And. And I got an alert that TOOL announced the show in Paris on Wednesday. So I was like, okay, great. So I went and bought tickets for TOOL in Paris. And. And then Metallica was playing Helsinki, Finland that week. So I called Lars and was like, what hotel are you guys staying at? And he was like, we're staying. And I went, okay, cool. I'm coming in for the weekend to see the two shows in Helsinki. So we flew from Paris, seeing Tool on Wednesday. The next morning we flew out to Helsinki. And then Friday and Sunday saw Metallica in Finland. And it was like, what a.
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Josh Adam Myers
What a gift. So you're a metal guy. You're a, You're. Are you some music guy or are you specifically.
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Joe Manganiello
I'm a music guy, but, you know, I grew up in the suburbs, man, when. And metal is a suburban art form. You know, that's fair.
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Josh Adam Myers
That's a good point. I've never heard that on the show before, actually.
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Joe Manganiello
It totally is. I mean, look at. Okay, so, I mean, great example is, you know, Tom Morello grows up in Libertyville, Illinois, in the outskirts of Chicago, going to the same high school. His mother was a homeroom teacher.
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Josh Adam Myers
Yeah.
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Joe Manganiello
Adam Jones of Tool. So Tom and Adam are at the same high school, Libertyville. Billy Corgan grows up not very far from them. And not very far from them were is Eddie Vedder. So you get Tom, Adam, Billy, Eddie. And if you think about like the four different directions that they all went in terms of rock music, it's mind blowing. But they're all suburb. They're suburban kids, you know, and, and there's something about metal. It's also, I will say this about metal. Anybody who's. Who is in like a metal band or like, loves metal. They're usually the coolest, friendliest, the most like, non aggro people you can. They're just ironic. Yeah, they're just like. They get it all out. Like all metal heads are just like metal, you know, and especially metal musicians are just really chill because it just, they just get it all. I mean, look at like, you know, Trent Reznor is another one. He grew up in Mercer, Pennsylvania, not that far from Pittsburgh. And it's like. Yeah, yeah. Nine Inch Nails. Like, it, it's, it's. It's funny when you know, you're, you're. I don't.
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Josh Adam Myers
Yeah.
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Joe Manganiello
I don't know what is in the water in the suburbs, but, but my, so my, My first concert was Pantera, Sepultura, Biohazard. On that final stage of the Vulgar Display of Power tour. That was my first show. And then, you know, I never missed Pantera when they came through. I never missed White Zombie Danzig. You know, I mean, I was. I was. I was all about it. And. And now, as an adult, it's like, as an adult who's actually befriended and, like, you know, you get to a place where, you know, the art that you like, you know, the people who are saying the things that you like, making the music that you like, and, you know, you commiserate. You know, you. You get to talk to them about their creative process as an artist that. From a different discipline and. Yeah, and then it's like, you just. Like, in my spare time, I just fly around and see what they're doing, you know, and. And go see shows, and it's great.
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Josh Adam Myers
The best. The best. I. What would be your. Like, so if you're. Because it was so funny that, you know, we. For this, which I'm super stoked, because definitely, I can tell this is like, this is your. But we almost had you a while ago for Massive Attack when I think. We thought it was. We thought it was. It wasn't Mezzanine. It was like, their first record. So.
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Joe Manganiello
Yeah.
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Josh Adam Myers
So.
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Joe Manganiello
Yeah.
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Josh Adam Myers
So how does that fit in there? So where does, like, you know, com. You know, there's obviously thrash, but. But for you to come on to do Massive Attack, is Mezzanine that big of a record or.
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Joe Manganiello
Yeah, I mean, I probably listen to Mezzanine. Gosh. I mean, have I listened to Mezzanine more than any other album in my entire life? Maybe. Maybe, you know, I. I was a big. Again, being a suburban kid, I was a big 80s, 90s, like. Like hip hop, like, early hip hop, rap guy as well. Like. And when you get into the 90s, I think hip hop got a little sugary for me, and. And I started listening to what all the British musicians were doing with it, whether that's, you know, Tricky, Massive, even, like, Portishead, a lot of the stuff that was coming out of Bristol, even, like, you know, Ronnie Size represent the drum and bass movement that was coming out of there. Yeah, dude. You know, I was. I was just, you know, Uncle James Lavelle. Like, all the down tempo, weird, cool, funky, you know, electro stuff, I was super into because I think, like, industrial, I was always, like, I leaned industrial. I. I love thrash, but I also leaned a bit industrial. So when, you know, some of that music started coming across the pond, I was. I was really excited by it. And. And I just thought that Massive Attack was like. It was like the. You know, as a. As a typo. Negative fan as well. Massive Attack was like the soundtrack to a vampire movie that, like, I write.
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Josh Adam Myers
You know, best music to there. Dude, I'm telling you. Massive Attack, Portishead, you put on. I literally, with my. My friends make fun of it because they know I always listen, I always talk. I do a lot of jokes about music. The too. And I'll be in the middle of sex and I'll be like, alexa, play Porter's head. Alexa, pause. Don't play anything.
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Joe Manganiello
I like that you say that like us like a Southern gentleman. Southern gentleman when you said that, which I. I really like. I like that there's this character that comes out. We're like, why? Why? I do declare.
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Josh Adam Myers
I do declare. Your boobies are very nice. Hold on, let me set the mood real quick by putting some Deftones on.
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Joe Manganiello
Well, interesting story. I was seeing Metallica in Pittsburgh on the Back to Metallica and Pittsburgh. Metallica in Pittsburgh for the live Binge and Purge tour. And Alice in Chains was supposed to open and Lane had a heroin overdose. And they never came back. And I never got to see Alice in Chains play live. But interesting side story, they said, okay, Allison James is not. We know you're all disappointed. Alison James isn't going to play. But we have this brand new band that's gonna play in their place. They're called the Deftones.
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Josh Adam Myers
Oh, my God. Yeah.
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Joe Manganiello
So it was like.
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Josh Adam Myers
We were just talking about that and.
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Joe Manganiello
I was like, holy, they're good. I mean, I was upset because I was a huge, huge, huge Alex Chance fan. A huge Lane Staley fan. And I was so upset. And Wood might be my favorite song ever. And you know, yada yada. You know, one of it's in the mix and. But I heard the Deftones was like, holy. These guys are unbelievable. They're gonna be.
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Josh Adam Myers
You got them early.
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Joe Manganiello
Huge, huge.
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Josh Adam Myers
Y. Yeah, yeah, we. I'm going to see them and Mars Volta in like a week. And then back to the. To the Massive Attack, Portishead. Beth Gibbons from Portis Head is playing the Beacon. And I got like front row. I'm. I'm just like you.
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Joe Manganiello
It's like, let me know if you're going to any sort of massive shows or trip hop related. Because, I mean, I'm. I'm down. I want.
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Josh Adam Myers
Oh, my God, I'd love to.
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Joe Manganiello
And I want to sidebar. Except before I forget, I just saw the Deftones in San Francisco last August opening for my Armenian Brothers System Of a down.
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Josh Adam Myers
Nice. Oh, nice.
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Joe Manganiello
That was great. Tom.
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Josh Adam Myers
Tom told me, because he. I. I don't know if you were friends with him back then, but he would tell me about the jam sessions that he would have at his house. We're just. They're all party and they're all pulling out instruments, and Tom would want to play drums because he's always playing guitar. And he said, you never realize how incredible somebody's voice is, you know, until you really get next to him. And he said, sergeant might have the most beautiful voice. Like, yeah, it's. It's just. You can hear the power in the albums. But, yeah, to be able to hear him sing something other than his music, it's. It's powerful.
- [29:14]
Joe Manganiello
Serge is like a spiritual warrior, man. He's. You know, he's Armenian, but he's also really connected to all that's. Like, he's, you know, he and I will go and we'll have lunch in Glendale and, you know, go have coffee at his coffee shop, and we'll just sit and talk about just stuff, just the universe. And, you know, he's really tapped into something, man. He's a. He's a consummate artist. You saying that about Tom in those early sessions. So I got invited to a Tool rehearsal at their rehearsal space before they went on their South American tour that they're on now. So I went over to the original space where, like, all the. The Tool songs ever were written in this space. And it's right in back of the building that was the Green Jello loft. And. And, you know, because Maynard used to sing with Green Jello. And. And that's actually. That loft is the. The. It is the. The location of the first ever Tool show that Tom Morello was in attendance for in the Green Jello loft.
- [30:15]
Josh Adam Myers
Who told me this? But they. Oh, I think it was Joe Sib was another comedian slash rocker. And he was. He would. They would. Because they didn't make fun of Maynard, but Maynard was just like, the weird guy around. And then they were like, you know, Maynard' band, and they were all kind of laughing about it. And then like a week later, it was like, you know, Maynard's band's pretty good. And, yeah, it's just. It's so cool, like, to see, especially a band like, you know. You know, you can see rage. You hear them the first time you go, oh, yeah, this is gonna be one of the biggest bands ever. It's mixing hip hop. It's missing Mixing rock, It's missing hardcore, whatever. But something like tool is. I mean, back when I listened to them back in this, when sober was big, I mean, I knew it was good. I knew they good, but I never thought they would get as big or, you know, like they're playing multiple nights at arenas and like real music fans are, you know, they're, they're like how accepted it is. I think that's a better way to. To put it. Yeah, well.
- [31:15]
Joe Manganiello
Yeah, well, that was the Beauty of the 90s, man, was like people were starting band. There was this anti corporate attitude that I think the world right now could use a little more of.
- [31:25]
Josh Adam Myers
Sure.
- [31:26]
Joe Manganiello
I mean, the bureaucracy right now I don't think has ever been stronger. And it's in all art forms and it's just, just disgusting to me. You know, it's just, it's just trash. Like, there's. The artists need the revolt. They. People need to get nasty. They need to get offensive. They need to try to tear this thing down, you know, because it's like there's just too much power that's being held by bean counters. And you know, at the time, in the 90s, it was like, like people kind of bullied each other about selling out. And that was an important. It was an important like, like baseline for, for artists because you weren't going to get anything new, you weren't going to get anything revolutionary unless you did something that wasn't meant for. For. For mass consumption. You had to do something weird. You had to make yourself happy and forget about what everybody. Don't, you know, don't be the surgeon who walks into the emergency room and, and says, show your hands. Who thinks I should do this surgery? Okay. Who thinks I should do this? Like, what do you think the patient need. No, you're the doctor. You do what you think is right. And that was the beauty because you could follow these artists and, you know, when you, when you look at bands like System of a Down, it's like, who the hell are they? Like, you know, you, you. You go back to those Rick Rubin tapes when he went to see them, it's like, what the hell? This is the weirdest I've ever heard. Tool. They're not in their videos. It's so weird. They're all downturned and they're in this weird time structure and it's like, what the. You know? And what are they even singing about? Like L. Ron Hubbard and all this stuff, you know, it was like, come on.
- [33:02]
Josh Adam Myers
I was gonna bring up their videos too. Tools videos were art. They're pure art.
- [33:07]
Joe Manganiello
They don't care about being rock stars. They don't want to be known. They want to be anonymous. Which flew in the face of 80s hair metal. Like, it was the exact opposite. And then you get into like, Nine Inch Nails Closer. I try to remind people this was on the radio, like, minutes this song played, which is like, so insane. Yeah. And in like, our kind of, like, artistic puritanical cycle that we're coming out of now, it's like. It's mind blowing to think that, like, this was the most popular song by an artist, you know, by. By. By. By nine. But people. People were open to that. They were into that. They were into artists saying things and really digging deep. And. And that's. I was so glad that I grew up during that era because I. I got all that stuff during my formative years, and I think it really formed the type of artist that I am, you know, and. And I totally. I've made a lot of choices, like, going against what I thought people were going to expect of me.
- [34:06]
Josh Adam Myers
Do you think then to bring this to Metallica, like, do you think. I. I just. I think the first record I might have heard was Injustice for All. And I. I was. I was, God, 8, 9 years old. Brad Bliven introduced it to me and he was like the cool older brother. And I never, like. Would you. Would you. Would you have ever thought that Metallica, especially the Metallica we're talking about today, which is that Ride the Lightning, the, you know, master of puppets I'm gonna leave out and justice for All. But would you ever thought that they would be the biggest. I mean, dude, they're the biggest. I. Yeah, they're in the discussion of the biggest rock band, if not got touring, live band in the. Internationally. Internationally, Yes.
- [34:56]
Joe Manganiello
I was just having this talk. So when I was backstage at the Goldfinger show, about to go out to sing Inner Sandman recently. Did you know that?
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Josh Adam Myers
Yeah. Morty, our writer, DJ Morty Coyle. I do a Patreon show with me. Helps me write this. He actually sent me. Let me see if I can pull it up. He sent me the video of you. You wrote it for them or something?
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Joe Manganiello
I used to. She had. 20. 20 years ago, I was friends with. I've been friends. Friends with John Feldman, the lead singer for a long time. And yeah, 20 years ago, one summer, he was like, what are you doing for the next month? And I was like. I was. At the time, you know, I was in one of these, like, strange periods in my life where, you know, I was. I was Actually, I was getting sober during this point. And you know, when you get sober, it's like, you know, nobody gets sober off of a winning streak. Let's just put it that way. Okay, so, you know, buddy, you know, there's a real paradigm shift that's going on between, you know, my life before up to that point, and then things need to change. And while they're changing, there's this barren plane that you kind of need to wander through. And while I was wandering through that plane, kind of like figuring out who I was, you know, and kind of getting, you know, clearing the road. Let's say I was working construction off the back of a truck, a masonry truck here in la. I was shoveling, basically shoveling sand and gravel, mixing cement, jackhammering from seven in the morning till four in the afternoon. And while I was doing that, all I was doing was listening to metal, by the way. I mean, it was just like in the truck, crank the metal, you know, shirt flies, you know, and we're just in the 90° LA heat, just shoveling, you know, for 50 minutes straight. Yeah, it was like brutal work. And, you know, John Feldman was like, hey, what are you doing for the next month? You know, I like to have somebody on tour with me who's sober. And if you're not, if you're not doing anything important, you know, do you want to come out with me and my band? We're going to do New Zealand, Australia, Hawaii, Canada, and then back to the US And I was like, let me ask my boss. And you know, I was like, hey man, listen, can I have a little bit of time off? And he was like, yeah, go ahead, Head. And I was like, well, okay, you don't have to say it like that. Like I'm indispensable here, you know what I mean? Like, you know.
- [37:11]
Josh Adam Myers
Yeah.
- [37:12]
Joe Manganiello
And he's like, I'll just find somebody else to shovel. I'm like, dude, don't. Okay, you know, all right, whatever. So I took off on the road with Goldfinger. Now circling it back to commemorate the 20th anniversary of me roading for them during this period of time. John said, do you wanna, do you want. We're playing House of Blues Anaheim. Do you want to come down and sing Enter Sandman? And I said, yeah. And so I went down and, and, and, and sang Enter Sandman with, with Goldfinger. But backstage I was wearing like a, like a pus head Metallica T shirt. Like I, you know, pulled the, I pulled like a banger out, you know, of the. Yeah, the Drawer and someone backstage.
- [37:55]
Josh Adam Myers
This isn't it.
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Joe Manganiello
That's it. Yeah, that's. That's it there.
- [37:58]
Josh Adam Myers
Oh, no. Oh, wait, I don't think we have audio. Hold on. Sorry.
- [38:02]
Joe Manganiello
There we are.
- [38:04]
Josh Adam Myers
That's pretty dope, though.
- [38:05]
Joe Manganiello
Yeah. Yeah.
- [38:06]
Josh Adam Myers
Morty showed me this clip of it. He sent me that because we. I had met. Who's the bald guy in the group? Is that Feldy?
- [38:13]
Joe Manganiello
That's Charlie Paulson.
- [38:14]
Josh Adam Myers
Yeah. So I had met Charlie a few times. Morty, they're all. They're all like, you know, like you. Like you had said, they're. They're the same as us. Like, they. They clean their life up and it's. And it's. It's crazy. It's such a nice guy, such a fun band. And also, yeah, dude, I mean, that would have been odd if you've been like, yeah, man, I can't go on tour with you, dude. I'm really good at this shoveling.
- [38:37]
Joe Manganiello
Like, I was really good. That's what offended me.
- [38:41]
Josh Adam Myers
I'm in this. Ben.
- [38:42]
Joe Manganiello
Valuing me more. But.
- [38:44]
Josh Adam Myers
But, I mean. But still, it's like, you know, I. I understand. If I listen to the Black Album. Yes. I see the future of Metallica. I see that they're gonna be this huge man. This, what we're talking about, Master of Puppets. I mean, it's. It still holds up. But this is like. When you talk about the idea of what thrash metal is, this is. Is probably the most complete album, you know, in terms of, like, here's the definition of thrash. Master of Puppets. There you go.
- [39:17]
Joe Manganiello
Yeah. So, no. So, yeah, you circled it back. I mean, so basically, like. Like backstage, I'm wearing this Metallica shirt and somebody comes up and they're like, metallica. Why are you wearing a Metallica shirt? I was like, they're the biggest band in the world.
- [39:26]
Josh Adam Myers
Yeah.
- [39:27]
Joe Manganiello
And they were like, oh, really? And, you know, this person is like. You know what I mean? I'm talking to some, I don't know, suburban mom or something. You know, she was like, really? And I go, yeah. I go, what? The Rolling Stones were in the 80s and 90s where everybody of a certain generation and the younger generations were going to catch this, you know, band that's, like, been around for a while, and they're kind of a legacy band. Like Metallica is today what the Stones were then, except to the people who grew up in the 80s and 90s.
- [39:57]
Josh Adam Myers
Sure.
- [39:57]
Joe Manganiello
And, you know, we all meet and it's like all. Whenever Metallica comes to la, I wind up bumping into everybody. Everybody goes, so, you know, did I back then, you know, so I, I found Ride the Lightning first. I guess that in my yellow Sony Walkman, I played that thing on repeat all the way through. All the way through, all the way through, all the way through for 18 months. It was a year and a half of nothing but Ride the Lightning. And then I was like, there's other albums. And I went out and got Master. And Master, to me is Master and Ride the Lightning are their companion pieces in a way. They're both built, they're built the same. It's the same structure, which to me is perfect. And where I think Ride the Lightning is more of a death concept album where every single song is. Except for maybe Escape, but every single song is about death in a different way. And then Master gets into Master's a little deeper. There's some very interesting. You start seeing the depth of James Hetfield. Not to say that like in a song like Creeping Death, you don't see a lot of depth, but like, you know, Trapped Under Ice, Ride the Lightning. I mean, you're, you're like, these are really. Fight Fire With Fire. These are like fun songs about imagining you're dying in a certain way, you know, and are confronting the greatest fear we have, which is death.
- [41:31]
Josh Adam Myers
Sure.
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Joe Manganiello
And, you know, but, but did I think that they were going to be the biggest. No, they were like, they were, you know, it was Paradise Lost. I mean, the, the, the, the kind of like street whispering on Metallica was like, you know, the kids in trench coats who are really troubled listen to Metallica, you know, and come to find out that like, the kids who were really troubled listen to Metallica because it was soothing. You know what I mean? It wasn't causing them to, you know, think dark thoughts. It was just, you know, it was, it was soothing to them to know that there were, there were other people out there that were struggling with things too. And inadvertently, of course, as we know now, you know, Metallica got blamed for a lot of that. And so there was a fear. I think there was a fear about Metallica that also made them awesome. But no, I never thought in a million years. Which is why, you know, when the Black Album came out, it was like. Hold on, what? Like girls listen to them now?
- [42:32]
Josh Adam Myers
Yeah, right. Do you think. Let me ask you this. Wait, let me ask you this. Do you think. Because this is the last record with the bassist Cliff Burton, which I. So I tour with that guy Jelly Roll. I went on a big, like three month tour with him and I do a bunch of, like, other shows. His. His road, like, stage manager is this guy Eddie. And. And Eddie, I think he was on the bus, but he was his base tech and was there when that happened. So, you know, and. And I was just. I spent the whole day, Joe, just listening and watching Metallica documentaries make the Making of this. I watched the Rick Beato interview of just a bunch of stuff. I've immersed myself like I do for any record. And. And they talk about how Cliff, he's. He's arguably like one of the main songwriters and riff dudes with them for their first few records, especially this one. Do you think we get the black record if Cliff Burton doesn't die?
- [43:33]
Joe Manganiello
No, I don't think so. I don't mean either. Yeah, no, I don't think so. I mean, you know, it's like having hung out with. With Kirk Hammett, hung out with Scott Ian of Anthrax, who has a lot of great stories about, like, when Metallica came to New York for the first time, you know, because, like, Kirk found a. A real creative soulmate in Cliff because they were both into Cthulhu, they were both into Dungeons and Dragons. They were both, you know, they were both into all the old weird fantasy. And a lot of that plays out through, you know, some of those early albums. You know, I. I don't. Yeah, I don't. I don't know. I mean, to me, it was like. It was. It was almost like Injustice for All was as far as they could go out on that branch. And I think that there was like. I don't want to say like a burnout, because I. I love justice for all, but like, yeah, one. One is a crescendo for the band of the 80s that Metallica was like. It was that high note. It was. And to me, you know, the. The Stairway to Heaven of metal. This operatics, like, one is kind of that. That.
- [44:49]
Josh Adam Myers
Sure.
- [44:50]
Joe Manganiello
Well, I mean, but you would say, like, Master of Puppets is like, maybe the, The. The most. Like, if you need to know what Metallica does or what. You know what I mean? Master Puppets is such a masterpiece, but I just think that that one is. One is this opera, you know, and. And it kind of crescendos there.
- [45:12]
Josh Adam Myers
And.
- [45:12]
Joe Manganiello
And they're also, like, dealing with alcoholism. They're dealing with the loss of their friend or not dealing with the loss of their friend. And I think that sometimes when you hit a creative peak, when you get to the furthest, the furthest way out on a branch and there's no More branch there. You have to go in a different direction to survive. You're either going to break up and be done or self destruct or you're going to start having to process those feelings. And I think that the Black Album to me is Metallica James.
- [45:48]
Josh Adam Myers
It's.
- [45:48]
Joe Manganiello
It's him starting to try to process his feelings and speak about his feelings publicly or his vulnerability publicly. I mean, you know, you can look at like, obviously nothing else matters, right? Doesn't. They wrote a ballad, okay, but something like the God that Failed all of a sudden. It's not about somebody in an electric chair. Some arbitrary. Funny enough, this is the Andy Warhol electric chair at Sing Sing above me.
- [46:14]
Josh Adam Myers
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm sitting underneath it because, you know.
- [46:17]
Joe Manganiello
Yeah, ride the baby. Yeah, but, but you know, when he's talking about the God, the field, he's talking about. He's opening up about. He's talking about himself all of a sudden. It's not a character that he's playing in, in a third person. It's. It's. It's about him. It's about Christian Science and the failings of that philosophy and how he lost a sibling as a result of that. And he's really opening that stuff up, which is, which is really painful, which then you get, get some kind of monster sometime after that, which is like, you know, kind of, you know, the bottoming out and, and, and kind of really hitting that, that ground zero. But I, but I think that the Black Album is the first time that he's really opening this up. And I think that a wider audience then started identifying, not just the angry kids who felt a certain way, who didn't know how to get it out. Now all of a sudden it's, it's speaking on a higher level and without Cliff passing away. I don't think that, that, that. Sure, that process starts.
- [47:15]
Josh Adam Myers
Well, you brought it up. The fact that, you know, they did not drink during the recording of this in Denmark. It says, as we're looking through the research on the album, they recorded everything sober. And they were known for drinking, right? Alcoholica. Yeah, 100. So like, great name. But like, like they, they brought their A game to the recording session and this was like. It took him to the next level. This album. In sweet silent studios in Denmark, they had a Danish Fleming, Rasmussen. Rasmussen was get that out producer. It's a hard name, you know. Glad you did it.
- [47:57]
Joe Manganiello
Yeah.
- [47:58]
Josh Adam Myers
Rasmussen. Sorry. You got it. But yeah, the band played sober on recording days. Hemmett recalled that the group was just making another album at the time and had no idea that the record would have such a huge influence that it went on to have. I mean, this is in the. Dude. Jared. This is in the. The national registry the Library of Congress inducted this record into for its cultural. And it's. Dude, it's. This is the significance. I mean, this is. This is an important record. I know it's thrash metal. I know. You know, metal, I don't want to get, say. Gets. Gets on or joked about, but. But it kind of does. Is a better way to say it. But, you know, people make fun of, like, metal dudes. You just. Like you said, Joe. It's like, you know, we're. This. We're the sweetest people in the world because we go to these shows and we feed off the energy that's in the room and we let it out there, and then we get to go out into the regular world and be cool.
- [48:57]
Joe Manganiello
Yeah. I mean, on a. On a, you know, scholarly level, it's like. It's all the stuff that Carl Jung talked about with the Shadow. It's like people who listen to metal, they're at peace with their shadow. They're friends with their shadow. Like, they're the. There's the monster under the bed is your friend. And. And, you know, I think that, you know, you go to metal shows and you're. You're. You can let that out and you're at peace with that. Where I think that other people are. Are at war with that. And I think that most people listen to metal. They're. They're. They're fine exploring that kind of stuff. They go to some places that people can't go to, and I think it helps you balance.
- [49:36]
Josh Adam Myers
I agree. All right, let's talk about some of these tracks on the record. Jay, you have something you want to add? I'm just gonna say it kind of reminds me of, like, the Obey, kind of like Andre the Giant. You know, the artwork that you see. Shepherd Fairy.
- [49:50]
Joe Manganiello
Yeah, These three behind me.
- [49:53]
Josh Adam Myers
What do you got? Oh, come on.
- [49:55]
Joe Manganiello
Those are all Shepherds.
- [49:57]
Josh Adam Myers
Oh, sick, dude. That's great. We actually. It's funny. It's funny. Bring this all together. Me and Morty went to go see Gang of Four at the Roxy in la, and we sat in the VIP area, and that was the first time I met Tom. Tom was there with Shepard and. Oh, and Matt Pinfield, too.
- [50:17]
Joe Manganiello
That's a cool dude, man.
- [50:18]
Josh Adam Myers
Big shout out to Matt. Hopefully he's doing okay. I think he actually. He just said something or, like, He's. He's been out of the coma, so we're rooting for him. Let's talk about. Let's talk about battery. We'll do a few of these tracks. So this album opener, great way to start the record.
- [50:34]
Joe Manganiello
Yeah.
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Josh Adam Myers
An ode to the San Francisco thrash metal scene, which was in direct competition with the Los Angeles glam music scene in the mid-80s. It's also about trying to control one's anger. I wanted to start something light, being. Being that this album's pretty heavy. It's like, you know, what was the most ridiculous trend or fashion or scene that you took part in when you were younger?
- [51:00]
Joe Manganiello
Ridiculous trend or fashion or scene?
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Josh Adam Myers
I mean, the guy was a raver.
- [51:07]
Joe Manganiello
Yeah, I was gonna say, I was like, are we gonna go there or not? But, Yeah, I mean, mid-90s.
- [51:12]
Josh Adam Myers
Go there, dude.
- [51:12]
Joe Manganiello
Mid-90s Pittsburgh, it was like Pittsburgh, DC, New York, Baltimore. All the raves would kind of like shift from city to city. And this is where, you know, everything was still illegal. You know, it was like warehouses, buildings, like abandoned buildings. People would pull power generators in, and then they get busted by the cops.
- [51:32]
Josh Adam Myers
Oh, yeah.
- [51:33]
Joe Manganiello
You know, so. So it was. There was. And there was like. I mean, it was. It was just like weed and acid, right? And then, like, there was like, people were coming from Amsterdam with ecstasy at, like, some point, but it was just like trippy, psychedelic kind of, you know, and people were starting to dye their hair. People were starting to wear bull rings in their nose. You know, it was like you. You started, you know, the big, giant baggy Janko. Well, before Janko, you had to go. Just. People got jeans that were, like, way too big and kind of made that stuff ring your T shirt.
- [52:05]
Josh Adam Myers
Just describing Josh right now, by the way. Actually, that's my outfit right now.
- [52:11]
Joe Manganiello
Dog collars or chains, you know, all that kind of stuff. So. But it was. It was cool because it was like. Like, you know, if you saw somebody with, like, a silver raincoat on, you were like, ah, probably a raver. Like, there were little telltale signs of, like, that underground peeking its head up. And, you know, it really felt like being a part of some. And. And also, the music didn't sound like anything, so, I mean, all that drum and bass and the house tapes that were going around, it was like, what the hell is this stuff?
- [52:38]
Josh Adam Myers
And you mentioned Ronnie Size and Ronnie Size. You know, for the people that don't know, we talk about the Mercury Moon Music Prize on the podcast a lot, because I love British music, obviously, where it's influenced A lot of the records that we either talked about or, you know, it. It was influenced by those records. But Ronnie won the Mercury Music Prize, beating Mezzanine by Massive Attack. And I'm pretty sure Radio head. Okay, Computer was up that year as well.
- [53:02]
Joe Manganiello
Is that like Brown paper bag?
- [53:04]
Josh Adam Myers
Brown paper bag, yeah. Yeah, dude. It was. It was. I. Because I got. I started going to raves. I went to Amsterdam and. And I took ecstasy for the first time and went to a rave. And then I came back to Americ out of college and worked at a restaurant and. And I had bought that MTV2. It was called MTV2Amped. And it had like, Fat Boy Slim on it. It had low fidelity all stars. You know, that one song, it's like I said Hallelujah to the 16. Blow your beans. Remember that? That a real moment.
- [53:34]
Joe Manganiello
Pigeon Head or something?
- [53:36]
Josh Adam Myers
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But, yeah, so I. All of that. And that was where I heard Ronnie Size for the first time. And then I. I just became a huge fan and. And I think, you know, as a metal fan or as a rock music fan band, drum and bass felt very accessible. It felt like it was the rock and roll of dance music. Am I right?
- [53:54]
Joe Manganiello
At that time, I would say, well, there was jungle and jungle was more jazz infused.
- [54:00]
Josh Adam Myers
Yes.
- [54:01]
Joe Manganiello
Where then drum and bass got darker and. Drum and bass. I've always said drum and bass is the heavy metal of electronic music.
- [54:10]
Josh Adam Myers
Yep, totally. For sure.
- [54:12]
Joe Manganiello
Yeah, for sure. Yeah. So. So definitely. I was a mid-90s raver. And. And hey, man, I'll say, you know, it was. It was. It was cool, man. It was. It was really. It was so interesting. That period was so interesting. I'm so glad I got to be a part of that because, you know, then you watch it go corporate like anything, you know, like all of a sudden, you know, grunge was at J.C. penny's or whatever, you know.
- [54:37]
Josh Adam Myers
Yeah.
- [54:37]
Joe Manganiello
Grunge section and then there was like a raver section, you know.
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Josh Adam Myers
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Joe Manganiello
65?
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Josh Adam Myers
Yeah, you're 65. You. Have you always been jacked? Were you the jacked raver with his shirt off, just sweating profusely, like with a pacifier in your mouth?
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Joe Manganiello
No pacifier, but no, I, you know, I was, yeah, I was always big, you know, I mean, I, I was, I topped off at 6, 5 when I was 16 in high school.
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Josh Adam Myers
Wow.
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Joe Manganiello
I was thinner than I am as an adult. Like I, I filled out like a little bit later on. But, but yeah, no, I was always, that was funny because I was like, I was the captain of football team, the basketball team, the volleyball team, you know, But I was, I was an artist. And towards the end of high school, I started shedding the athlete part of me and replacing it with artistic pursuits as I kind of geared myself up to figure out how I was going to get into the arts as a professional. And it wound up being, it wound up being through classical theater. Like I wound up in the theater to start and then kind of like backtracked back into producing and writing like I'm like I do now, like, you know, and hosting game shows and things like that. You know, I still do like a whole bunch of different things, but I, I, you know, I knew that at that point I needed to start backing out of that. But so, so I was always, you know, like, yeah, built the way that I was and the captain of these teams and when you're the captain of those teams, there's a bit of you that has to be kind of, you know, forward facing and, and you know, you show up, you show up well for the parents, but. But I always dated the goth girls for sure. Like I always really goth girlfriend in high school.
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Josh Adam Myers
Goth girls are the hottest list.
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Joe Manganiello
We jump in the car, listen, White Zombie, the Danza comes out, the Testament comes out. Like we're just, you know, we're riding around listening to whatever, you know.
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Josh Adam Myers
Dude, I. Thoughts on battery? Do you have anything you want to add about the song? I mean, any, any.
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Joe Manganiello
Well, again it's like the beginning. You've got that nice parent friendly slow guitar. Like I always thought that that was at the beginning of the album. So that like parents would be like Metallica. What is this satanic stuff? My children are listening. And then you put the tape and you're like, oh, this is lovely.
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Josh Adam Myers
Not that bad. Yeah.
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Joe Manganiello
Oh my God. You know, so. And again, that's, that's, that's in keeping. It's a parallel to you know, Ride the Lightning obviously with, with Fight Wire with Fire.
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Josh Adam Myers
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Great way to open the album. I think it really does introduce you to what we're about to get. Like you said, it's. It starts with that beautiful guitar and then it goes into the shellacking that is large drums and Kurt's bass. It's. It's just. And it like. It's like what I've said about Rage against the Machine. It's an attack on your senses. And that follows into Master of Puppets, which is so cool. That mop has been getting a lot of love from Jen. What's the young generation? Gen Z. Is that who they are? Yeah. Gen Z. Because of Stranger Things. It's. It's a song. It was one of the first songs I. Jeremiah that Tasso's taught me how to play on drums. I used to that Bang, bang, bang, bang. Catching the symbol. It's. It's, it's probably some of Lars in my opinion. You know, he's not known for being the best drummer. Like a lot of people want to on him. He's innovative. But I think like over the years he's just hasn't. I don't want to talk. He's great. I'm just saying he gets a lot of hate from people. But I think this is his best like drumming like ever, I mean. Thoughts on Master Puppets? Joe, what did you think the first time you heard it as a Metallica fan? Just what do you want to add or anything? I have other, but it's, I'd rather get your opinion on it.
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Joe Manganiello
Well, you know, it's interesting, you know, I, I mentioned, you know, the period of my life where I was starting to get sober, you know, and I've been sober ever since, and it's been 22 and a half years. So.
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Josh Adam Myers
Good for you.
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Joe Manganiello
You know, you know, that, that type of, you know, whether it's alcoholism, whether it's addiction, you know, the substances are just treating the way you felt from the time you were a kid, you know, and I talked about like being Armenian and you know, there's, there's a lot of, like, there's a lot of that stuff, I believe that gets stored in your DNA, you know, and so you grow up feeling a certain way and then you find alcohol or a substance or something like that, and you find a way out of that. Like a way out of like, I don't want to be burdened with feeling this way that I feel. And I don't know why I feel the way that I feel, but I want something to take me out of that. But then of course, course you get to that place where, you know, it's not fun anymore. You know, it's fun with problems and then, and then the fun goes away completely and it's just problems and now you're left and this thing has ravaged your entire life. And you know, as a kid, obviously I hadn't gone through that full progression yet, but I still felt the way that I felt. And so as a young kid even, who hadn't even started like, you know, abusing any of that in any sort of way or self medicating to hear a song that's so artistically the metaphor, you know, I was like, this is about drugs and you know, chop your breakfast on a mirror. It was like, oh, okay, so this is about, you know, about cocaine getting a hold of someone and just having their way with them. And then you become a slave to this substance. And of course, like, you know, Henry Rollins had talked a lot about being straight edge and you know, so I was really starting to like, like, you know, I heard it as this like warning sign, but I thought, what a genius piece of art, this metaphor, you know, this marionette puppets that cocaine can make you become. And I just, you know, I really saw, you know, the, you know, Metallica's their artistic genius on full display in the song. And you realize like, this is not some, you know, this is, this isn't some dumb hair metal band. You know, just talking about chicks and bikes and stuff. Stuff. This is, this is really. This is. This is intelligent stuff. There's this other side of it that's very, you know, esoteric in a way. And so to me, like, I really do think this song is such a masterpiece because it's so aggressive, but it takes you inside of what it's like to be ravaged by addiction completely.
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Josh Adam Myers
And you, you actually answered one of the questions I was going to ask about this because it is about the addictive whole drugs take on the user. I want to spin this into now something a little bit more, you know, you. You current because you just posted about it. Speaking of masters, let's talk about Dungeon Masters. You, you are an avid D dude.
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Joe Manganiello
And I, I actually. So I, I don't really. I. I play a lot of other games and grew up playing other games, but, but yeah, like tabletop games and things like that.
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Josh Adam Myers
Sure, but you play it with, I mean, the, the group of cats that you're digging on this game with. I mean, in that picture, I mean, some of the most important people in wrestling, in music. I mean, Tom Morello, Vince Vaughn, you got the, the big show. How did that start that game? Because I remember Tom would talk about it and Tom says it like, he was like, yo, as a nerd. You know what I mean? He was a music nerd, that, that, you know, an intellectual. And. And I'm not gonna ever say, like, I have the story and I'll make it quick because I don't want to take up too much time, which is like. I got invited to this party, my first one of my first high school parties. Like, dude, Friday night, be at my place and I showed up, up. The guy's mom answered the door and she's like, they're all downstairs and I go down and they're playing Dungeons and Dragons. And I'm like, what the. Dude, I brought a bottle of liquor from my parents cabinet. I was like, we're cracking this open. Like, don't worry, dude, get in. And so I played the game and then they're like, all right, now we're really gonna go get crazy. We're going out to the field for a field party. And then we get there and I'm like, there's got to be girls there. And then they open up the trunk of their car and they pull out styrofoam swords and started LARPing.
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Joe Manganiello
LARPing.
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Josh Adam Myers
So, yeah, dude, I mean, I've never.
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Joe Manganiello
I just want to say that I have not.
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Josh Adam Myers
No, I Mean, you get paid to larp. What are you talking about, dude? You're. You're a professional larper. Acting. Okay, all right. Yes, okay. Acting. So wait, how did it start and like, how did the game with your homies start?
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Joe Manganiello
Well, I also want to say that Kirk Hammett and Cliff Burton and Scotty and all used to play Dungeons and Dragon. Okay, so also, Tom, I'm like outing everyone right now, but Serge Tonkian has come over to play a game called Pirate Borg. I'm involved, I'm involved with this company that they, uh, they call, uh, they make a pirate role playing game. And so Sergeant Tom have come over to play my girl. Adam Jones keeps threatening to come over and play at the house. I ran into Trent Reznor at Disney World and we talked about tabletop role playing games growing up. So this is something that like a lot of rock stars grew up playing. I mean, Dungeons and. Back in the day, Dungeons and Dragons and Heavy Metal were handcuffed together in the zeitgeist. You know, they were, you know, responsible for the corruption of children and, and, and eradicating the moral fiber of our country. They were responsible for murders, suicides, clearly, you know, child children disappearing, like, you know, obviously. And. But what it did was it created a generation of kids that saw through that and knew that it was wrong and knew that it was propaganda. And again, those kids then grew up through the 90s and were cool. Like, you know, Generation X is called Generation Cool. Like, they knew they saw through this horseshit and it was us versus them, you know, and, and now all those people who grew up, you know, under that type of pressure or scrutiny run Hollywood, run the music business. They're all the 40 to 60 year olds who run it now. And, and so, you know, yeah, it was. I started playing again because I was brought into the company, I was brought into DND by their. Well, so I wanted, I wanted. They had a series of novels that I read growing up as a kid, a series of fantasy novels called the Dragonlance novels. And I wanted to develop them as either a movie or a series. And so I was working with them to get in a position to start doing that, to get the rights and start, you know, and while I did that, their marketing team said, hey, well, we'll put you on payroll and you can help us, you know, make D and D cool, you know, kind of eradicate that stigma. And I said, yeah, you know what? I said, you give me, you give me two years and no kid's ever gonna get get picked on or beat up on the playground for playing Dungeons and Dragons. I'm gonna make this cool. Watch.
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Josh Adam Myers
Oh, yeah.
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Joe Manganiello
And so for the next couple of years, I went on Stephen Colbert and talked to him about D and D I I and Dungeons and Dragons wound up in Entertainment Weekly. They wound up in a Hollywood Reporter. There were no Dungeons and Dragons T shirts that you could buy. They all were, like, kind of goofy. We, like, I, like, I wouldn't be caught dead wearing one of these. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. So they gave me a licensing agreement, and I started reaching out to all of these, like, legendary heavy metal artists. And I started getting these heavy metal artists to then reimagine the Dungeons and Dragons gods and monsters. And so I started farming out all this new artwork for that company to show people it's not this dorky, nerdy thing. There's this side of it that's also, like, like, really hardcore metal scary. Like, if you thought Satan was in this game, like, you're gonna think it even more after I finish with you. You know, it's like. But there was an edginess to it that I loved. And so I really started working with the company to, you know, to. To really build that out and really kind of push that. Where you could wear a DND shirt in public and you're hiding in plain sight, so you're kind of flying your freak flag. But people think, like, Orcas is, like, what is that, like, some kind of death metal band? You're like, no, it. Dungeons and Dragons, you know, so that was like. So I started doing that, and then. And then, like, people started coming out to me, like, coming out, you know, they were like, I used to play Diamonds and Dragons, you know, like. And so I started hearing through the grapevine, like, I became this kind of, like, this, like, hub in the wheel where people were like, yo, I heard Big show used to play. Yo, I heard Tom Morello used to play. And then people in interviews started mentioning it. And then I just started reaching out, out. And then I started putting together this Friday night group full of those people. And then my house became this, like, lighthouse for all these ships to come back to. That drifted away for years. And so you get the Tom Morellos. And then Tom's friends with Dan Weiss, who created Game of Thrones. And then Dan brings Dave Benny off.
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Josh Adam Myers
To come if he's not into it. I don't know who. Yeah. Yeah.
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Joe Manganiello
Would come to find out they were Dungeon Masters growing up in kid as kids. And that's how they learned how to tell long form narrative stories. Now I will say this. I threw a party. I threw a party for D and D at San Diego Comic Con one year to launch my streetwear line Death Saves. And, and I got my buddy Z Trip to dj and, and I. And. And he came up with this, this, this like fantasy metal themed set list so that he played at the party and he actually mixed Master of puppets with he. He. You know, when he goes on Obey your dungeon Master.
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Josh Adam Myers
I love it.
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Joe Manganiello
It was incredible, you know?
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Josh Adam Myers
Yeah, I love it. Yeah.
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Joe Manganiello
But it was like that was. That was my job with the company. You know, I no longer work for them. You know, it's more. They're more. More corporatized now, obviously. And it's like you're not. You know what I mean? Like, it's. It is what it is, you know. But. But for. There was a. There was a stretch of time where, where I made D D metal again. And it was like so much fun. We were all having so much fun with it and you know, anyway, so that's, you know.
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Josh Adam Myers
No, no, no. I love it and I, I love it. I think that's rad and I want to be invited note. And that is at minute six, second 19. There's a riff from Andy Warhol by David Bowie. It's quoted in the track. It's an homage made by Burton and Hammett. But we did see that. Yeah, I did see that in one of the. In one of the breakdowns of it. And speaking of song. So it's like. That's amazing.
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Joe Manganiello
That's why I didn't know that. That.
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Josh Adam Myers
Yeah, I just read it. I was like, we gotta mention this. Yeah, yeah, I love it.
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Joe Manganiello
Warhol's from Pittsburgh and Warhol went to Carnegie Melon where I went to theater school. So obviously I'm a huge. You know. That's awesome.
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Josh Adam Myers
Are you. Do you love. What is it? I'm might up the way you say it. Pranti. Pranti Brothers. Is that like your love for Manny Brothers?
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Joe Manganiello
Love it.
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Josh Adam Myers
Love Pranti. I. Every time I go there, I. I eat like four or five of them and then have to perform and. Not very easy to do, but. Jared, they're like. They're these huge sandwiches that have like either like Salisbury steak or like, you know, corned beef and then there's like French fries and it's just. It's phenomenal. Supposedly it's like the best drunk food in the world. I mean, I. I don't drink so I don't know, but it's still great.
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Joe Manganiello
It was for the. For the steel workers. They would just put everything into one kind of, like, neat way to eat it all, rather than a compartment. So they would put the fries, the vinegar, coleslaw, and whatever kind of meat. Meat onto the sandwich.
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Josh Adam Myers
Hot sauce.
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Joe Manganiello
You douse it with hot sauce and eat it.
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Josh Adam Myers
Yeah. All right, let's mention that thing. That should not be similar to songs by other metal bands like Black Sabbath and Iron Man. This is directly inspired by cosmic horror writer H.B. lovecraft. Lovecraft's antipathy. I hopefully I said that. Right. For mankind and fascination with vaginas. Yes. Really saw him create. And you mentioned his name earlier. Cthulhu. Cthulhu. Is that it? Yeah. Huge malevolent, squid like headed humanoid monster that rises from the Pacific Ocean to destroy mankind. Metallica would revisit the Cthulhu mythology again on songs such as the Call of Cthulhu and Dream no More. There's probably a lot of therapy that James has worked through that HP have used, but at their core, these are about the personification of the anxiety of the unimaginable horrors of human existence. What do you got right there, Jer? What's that?
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Joe Manganiello
Well, so, you know, I mentioned it before. You know, Kirk, as, you know, is a huge monster guy.
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Josh Adam Myers
Yeah.
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Joe Manganiello
You know, you've seen him on stage with the Boris Karloff guitars and, you know, all that. You know, Kirk and. And Cliff Burton was also huge into horror. Monsters. Dungeons and Dragons. Early Dungeons and Dragons. There was a book that came out, it was 1980 or 81, called Deities and Demigods. It was a D D book where they. They statted out all the gods, so if your character got to a certain level, you could try fighting gods. And in the book, they had Cthulhu. Now Cthulhu is the, you know, cosmic horror. You just saw the picture of Cthulhu, you know, the tentacles. And. And yeah, H.P. lovecraft was this, like. I don't know, I guess you would consider him somewhat of, like a horror writer.
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Josh Adam Myers
Yeah.
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Joe Manganiello
Early 20th century, like, early on. And. And. And, yeah, Cthulhu was like this cosmic God that all these cultists were worshiping and yada, yada. And. And so, yeah, he and Kirk shared a love of. Of Lovecraft. That was one of the. You know, you read Lovecraft, you read, like, Robert E. Howard's Conan, you know, like all of the writers of that era. Those fan. Those early, early fantasy writers that kind of came after the gothic horror period of, like, Mary Shelley and Bram Stoker. Then you have, like, you know, you get Lovecraft, you get, like, Howard. And even, like, C.S. lewis is kind of, like, in that mix, you know, somewhere.
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Josh Adam Myers
I think even South Park Joe. I think even south park kind of didn't make fun of him. But when. Remember, there was, like, that big demon, and it was that culu.
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Joe Manganiello
Well, he had a pet Cthulu. Yeah, that was.
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Josh Adam Myers
Yeah.
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Joe Manganiello
Cartman. Pet Kulu. Yeah.
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Josh Adam Myers
Yes. Yeah. So that all makes sense now.
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Joe Manganiello
Yeah. And if you love Death and Robots, one of the seasons of Love, Death and Robots, I did an episode and. And I play like, a. Like, a special Forces squad leader in Afghanistan, and we chase some insurgents into a cave system and, like, unknowingly, like, find a temple to Cthulhu. So if you, like, kind of want some further fun, go watch that episode of Love, Death and Robots that I did. Super cool.
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Josh Adam Myers
You want more culu? We got. We got all things Culu.
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Joe Manganiello
Well, yeah, so. So again, this is. This is Cliff Burton's influence on the group. You know, Cliff comes in and now Kirk. You know, Kirk and Cliff, you know, they're. Or I should say, like, Kirk comes in. You know, they. They both have this, like, kind of partnership and creatively and. And things, you know, swing into monsters and cosmic horror every once in a while and. And. And, yeah, so this is like, definitely like. Like Cliff and Kirk going off.
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Josh Adam Myers
Take it. All right. Welcome home, Sanitarium. This is about mental instability, rebellion, and the struggle for control over one sanity. It's inspired by Jack Nicholson's movie One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest, which was based on the novel by Ken Key. I love this song. I think. I think Sanitarium is, like. It's just. It's just perfect. Metallica. Yeah. It's the. Just. It really. It really is, you know, probably one of the better songs on this record. Definitely one of the ones that I think they still play out a lot. Thoughts on it? Anything you want to add?
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Joe Manganiello
I. I just think it's. Yeah. I mean, you know, like, in keeping with those themes of, like, being driven mad, you know, whether that's, you know, where. I think, you know, I think, you know, ride the lightning, there's a lot of exploration of death. Death. But then, you know, through Sanitarium and then especially into one, there are things that. That sometimes are worse than death, and. And so they start getting into that. Also when I can't listen to Sanitarium and not think about the documentary Paradise Lost.
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Josh Adam Myers
Oh, yeah, sure.
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Joe Manganiello
West. The West Memphis Three. About the. Yeah. The Kids that were accused of murdering that, that child in, in Memphis and had nothing to do with any of it. And because they listened to Metallica, they were vilified for it. And then in return, you know, Metallica spoke out and then lent the documentary filmmakers whatever music they wanted from the catalog without, without, without paying. And. And I thought that that was such a. Such an important and a big gesture from them. But. But also, again, it just speaks to, you know, that kind of us versus them attitude of, of the kids growing up in the 80s and 90s that really felt like the adults didn't get it or that generation didn't get it. And so, yeah, when I listen to sand, when I hear Sanitarium now, I think about, I think about those kids and I think about them totally.
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Josh Adam Myers
What was, what was your first cinematic experience? You know, speaking of One Flew the Kukas Nest. What inspired you to be an actor?
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Joe Manganiello
What inspired me to be an actor? You know, I made my own movies in high school. You know, I mean, when I was a little, a little, little kid, you know, I was like every kid my whole life was Star wars, of Star wars, she, Star wars cereal and Star wars everything. But. But I didn't want to be an actor. I. I wanted to be Han Solo.
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Josh Adam Myers
Yeah, everybody did.
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Joe Manganiello
I want to. I don't want to be the actor playing Han Solo. I want to be Han Solo. So, you know, but, but yeah, I think, I think, I think, you know, again, like, growing up, it was just like, how am I going to get my feelings going to express myself? And, you know, I, I made movies in high school, but then, you know, wound up thinking I could make a pretty good living as an actor. And, you know, so I went down that route and, you know, did you get. Did you.
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Josh Adam Myers
Because you're saying you played sports and stuff. Did you get like, did your friends kind of be like, what are you doing doing plays or, like, doing theater?
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Joe Manganiello
Like, there's a little bit of that. I mean, my friends that I made movies with certainly were like, you should. You should act. You should. You should. You should, like, really act. Like, you should try to, you know, pursue that. And. But then when I did the high school musical, senior year, yeah, there was like. I mean, well, there was my, My linebackers coach and the football team was like, you're an idiot. He stopped me in the hallway and was like, you're making a huge mistake with your life. And I.
- [82:47]
Josh Adam Myers
About sports.
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Joe Manganiello
Well, about not going, you know, kind of like declaring that I wasn't going to go on to play sports in college?
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Josh Adam Myers
Yeah.
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Joe Manganiello
Like, you're an idiot. Like, you're, you know, you're making a huge mistake, and it's like, you know. But after the show, after that, after that play, after that play, he came and found me and apologized and said, I'm sorry for what I said. You were really good in the play.
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Josh Adam Myers
Come on. That's great.
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Joe Manganiello
That's cool.
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Josh Adam Myers
I love that. Dude, that is rad.
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Joe Manganiello
But there was a line of letterman jackets at Oklahoma was the senior musical. I can see in the crowd there was, like, all these letterman jackets of the guys from the team who had come watch me because they were my friend and they got dragged by their girlfriends to come see it.
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Josh Adam Myers
Yeah, I love it, dude. All right, let's try to run through a couple of these, and we got you for a little bit longer. Disposable Heroes. Although this is an anti war song that once again explores themes about loss of control, it was actually inspired by a documentary on football players whose careers were sidelined by injuries. What was the worst injury you ever got playing sports?
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Joe Manganiello
I tore my. I tore my mcl returning a kickoff off my sophomore year against Joe Montana's old high school, Ringold. And then I sat out the rest of the season rehabbing it, made it back for basketball season. First game back, I go up to dunk and a kid takes my knees out. I land on my elbow and break my elbow and then miss the basketball. So that year I missed football and then most of basketball and. But it was what I needed at that time because I played sports year round. It was the first time that I really had time to stop and think about what I want to do in the future. And that's how I wound up really pulling the train off of these tracks.
- [84:33]
Josh Adam Myers
And trying to get. You broke.
- [84:35]
Joe Manganiello
It was.
- [84:35]
Josh Adam Myers
You broke your elbow. You broke your elbow and you were like, oh, no more injuries. All right, let's. Let's skedaddle through. We got. I'm gonna see we can get through, like, two more of these. Leper Messiah. This is another title lifted from a phrase from David Bowie, Ziggy Stardust. This is about the prevalent televangelists at the time who were acting as false prophets to make real prophets. Primary lyricist James Hetfield was raised as a Christian Scientist, and there seems to be quite a bit of rebellion against religion in his lyrics. Thoughts on this song or. I. I was. I think this was actually one of the riffs. I don't want to this up. And maybe correct me if I'm wrong, Jeremiah this might be one of the riffs lifted from Dave Mustaine. I think they still kept a. I was just watching an interview with him, and I don't feel bad at all. Like, they. Obviously, he went on to have a great career, but I can imagine, though, and as former, you know, alcoholics, like, you kind of feel bad, like, ah, man, if he just would have stopped drinking, he probably could still be in the band or who knows? But everything worked out, you know, in the end. Good for all of that. Them. But I'm pretty sure this is one of those riffs. Thoughts on the song? Anything you want to add to it, or.
- [86:02]
Joe Manganiello
I mean, again, like, you know, you're seeing. There are certain themes that. That kind of like, stretch throughout the early work of Metallica that you see, like, you know, like disposable heroes. And then you get one. You know, you get this kind of fascination. I mean, they're also part of that generation that's like, right after Vietnam. So there's soldiers that are coming home. There's problems, you know, know. Leper Messiah, obviously, is James exploring his feelings about growing up in such a religious home and.
- [86:31]
Josh Adam Myers
And.
- [86:32]
Joe Manganiello
And questioning that and. And. And of course, you know, we don't know it at the time, but, you know, James had lost a sibling at a very young age, and so he's. He's kind of seen behind the curtain in a way, and it's starting to peek its way out through. Through Leper Messiah.
- [86:47]
Josh Adam Myers
Orion. This is an instrumental track, supposedly. Not. Supposedly. It was played at Cliff Burton's funeral. What song do you want played at your funeral? Like, what. What do you. What do you think you would check.
- [87:00]
Joe Manganiello
You play what. Wow, this is a wild question. What do I want played at My God, you know.
- [87:12]
Josh Adam Myers
And it's a. It's a. It's a hard thing because it's like, you know, you. What. What's kind. What's the mood like, you know?
- [87:17]
Joe Manganiello
Right. Right.
- [87:21]
Josh Adam Myers
Closer by Nine Inch Nails.
- [87:23]
Joe Manganiello
Yeah, I mean, it might be. It might be Numa by Tool.
- [87:37]
Josh Adam Myers
Which one is that? Is that off of. I'm trying to think of the. I know a lot of, like. I know a lot of tool if you played it like. Oh, yeah.
- [87:43]
Joe Manganiello
Numa is on the new album. And Numa is the word. Pneuma is taken from ancient Greek. Greek, and it's the word for the breath of life. And the song Numa is.
- [87:55]
Josh Adam Myers
It's.
- [87:55]
Joe Manganiello
It's basically Mayard chanting to a soul that has just entered the baby's body in the mother's womb. To wake up and remember, because you're the soul. You made this contract to come back to earth. And now that you're in the new physical form, you've forgotten who you are and then know, like, as the philosophy says, we then spend the rest of our lives trying to remember the contract that we made on this path and the people that we've met and wake up and remember who you are and why you're here. And it's just your body is just this, you know, basically this. This physical vessel that's only going to last at some period of time as you learn and then you drift off. But every time I see it in concert or hear it, it's like, it's like a religious experience. And, sure, Danny has this, like, like, unbelievable drum solo that has, like, 45 million views on YouTube. They put. They put it in his drum kit. If you haven't seen it, it's like his. And all four appendages are playing in different time structure. Like, it's just. Yeah, the octopus. So, like, I'd want something like that, which is basically like, I'm gone, but I think I'm coming back.
- [89:07]
Josh Adam Myers
Yeah.
- [89:08]
Joe Manganiello
You know, we're going to play that song and kind of, you know, remember that it's all.
- [89:12]
Josh Adam Myers
It's all passing, you know, so being off that. That. Because I wanted to ask you as well.
- [89:19]
Joe Manganiello
That was deep.
- [89:21]
Josh Adam Myers
This is. This is great, dude. It's great. Trust me, it's great. Now, on a lighter note, too, I also want to ask you. I don't know why Morty wrote this one, but I think it's. I guess it's instrument. Oh, instrumental. Being that it's instrumental, I see his connection with the question, who is the most instrumental in helping you achieve stardom?
- [89:40]
Joe Manganiello
Artem. I mean, to be honest with you, it's like, you know, I would. I would say, like, my high school TV teacher, Judy Hewlett, and my high school theater teacher, Cindy Shriner. I mean, to be honest with you. High school. Yeah. Because at that age, at that age, where I was at that time, like, me, like I said, you know, I. I could have gone that. That kind of tried and true route where you go to college, you play a sport, that sport helps you get into a better school. When you go into that better school, you know, you study something, that's going to be a real job. And, you know, and I could have. I could have. You know, I could have gone academics. I could have gone athletics. Like, you know, there were different. Different directions I went. So for me to choose being an artist. I understood how absurd that would look to everybody around me, and.
- [90:42]
Josh Adam Myers
Sure.
- [90:43]
Joe Manganiello
And that people would also think that I was lazy. Lazy because I'm giving up sports that for laziness. Because I don't want to play or I don't want to work hard, or I want to. I want to go do theater, which is, like. Seems easy compared to AP Physics or whatever it is.
- [91:00]
Josh Adam Myers
Yeah. Yeah.
- [91:00]
Joe Manganiello
But what they didn't understand was I was. I was made for this. And I was supposed to do this. That I'm a. You know, I'm a storyteller. And so I have to go off and develop this thing that I'm supposed to. I'm supposed to do all of this stuff. They don't know it. And so, you know, I think. I think having people at that age where it's crazy to think. And also, there were kids that were in ballet from age 5. There were kids that were in the Civic Light Opera doing theater from the time they were 8, 9 years old. That was what they were doing while I was playing sports. And so I know that, like, the parents of some of those kids look down on me like, who are you, Mr. Jock Guy?
- [91:39]
Josh Adam Myers
Yeah.
- [91:40]
Joe Manganiello
They cast you in that play because you're tall, because you're big, you know, and.
- [91:44]
Josh Adam Myers
Yeah.
- [91:44]
Joe Manganiello
And it's like, you know, to have people actually believe in you, that you can kind of, like, help you kind of get through that fog of noise.
- [91:55]
Josh Adam Myers
Yeah.
- [91:56]
Joe Manganiello
And just not listen to them. It's so that you can just doggedly try to make this. This thing as crazy as it's. And believe me, it's looking back, I'm like, I was insane to think that I could do that, you know, and then get into Carnegie mellon. They took 16 actors out of, like, 800 that auditioned.
- [92:14]
Josh Adam Myers
A really good school. Yeah.
- [92:17]
Joe Manganiello
And I didn't apply anywhere else. Like, I didn't, you know, like, what are you gonna do? You. It was like. It was so myopic. And having those. Those teachers that just, like, lovingly kept pushing you to, like, you know, please try out for the musical, please. Or, like, keep making movies. Like, you're great. These are amazing. You're my best student ever. You know, that kind of stuff. I needed to hear that in order.
- [92:41]
Josh Adam Myers
To go, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, dude, it's. Yeah, I can imagine. It was. It was all the stuff we've been talking about. And it's good, especially at a young age, because, you know, it's. I would say, like, dude, Jared. Like, Wayne Wiggum. Like, I remember When I used to do that morning announcement show and I was like, well I'm gonna do music. And he's like, nah, dude, you gotta comedy like you're funny. Like do that so completely. And it starts, it starts really in those formative years because if they didn't support you, you probably would have gone into that other. Because you didn't have anybody. It sounded like in your corner that, that wanted. That was backing you being a storyteller. Like that. And yeah, that's, that's what you need. All right. Damage Incorporated, last song on the record. Here is another exploration on Anger Way. Pardon? First time they curse. They didn't curse it. Yeah, like I was reading that they got the, the label that said that, you know, the parent parental advisory, Tipper Gore legal curse the entire album until this song. When does he say it? The last thing he's like, I think there's a bunch of. Yeah, yeah, I guess. Oh no, it's here too. Yeah. Conflict runs through many Metallica songs. Ironically for heavy metal to come. This is the only song on the album that has profanity. It was also the last song credited to all four members of Metallica at this point. Oh, here it is. It all and no Regret has been a rallying cry for Metallica fans. Excuse me. And a theme for future songs by them. What is your rallying quote?
- [94:18]
Joe Manganiello
It's like a shot rallying quote. Oh gosh. No pressure. That's a good question. I mean, you know, I would say, I mean it's weird. It's like, you know, I think about the guy Roger Bannister who broke the four minute mile.
- [94:38]
Josh Adam Myers
Yeah, I just saw that.
- [94:40]
Joe Manganiello
Yeah. So I named my production company 359 because of him. Because, you know, there's like, you know, basically it was like nobody going starting in ancient Rome. No one could break the form in a minute mile.
- [94:52]
Josh Adam Myers
That's crazy. That's like sprinting through.
- [94:55]
Joe Manganiello
Up through the 19 into the 1950s from ancient times. No one, no one could ever break the, the four minute mile. And then this, this British physician who you know, wasn't even like the fastest runner in the world just said no, I think it's possible like, like human humanity had accepted that it wasn't, you know, it was never going to be that fast. Like there was a, there was a ceiling to human speed. And he said, no, I think I can do it. And what I'm going to do is I'm going to get four runners that can run a sub minute lap. Four laps around the track is A mile. I'm gonna get four runners, each one that can run a lap, one lap in under a minute. And I'm gonna train against all of them in succession, right?
- [95:32]
Josh Adam Myers
And wow.
- [95:33]
Joe Manganiello
Eventually he got to the point where he, he got under and so he ran it for a time officially, and he broke it with a 359.4. And the crazy thing about it was that within a month someone else broke his record. After, like, after, you know that, like, you know, whatever the ancient Rome, you know, we're talking like hundreds and hundreds and centuries and somebody else a month later broken. And then like within like two years, all these people around the planet had broken it. And now the record's like 347 and high school kids break it. And so it was just the idea that, like, if you accept that something's impossible in your own mind, then it will be. But if you can, a lot of times, like, you know, if you can come up with a plan, break it into smaller, more digestible pieces and just attack each piece in succession and be prepared, present in each piece and attack those things. You might wind up at the top of the mountain.
- [96:27]
Josh Adam Myers
Totally. Totally, dude.
- [96:29]
Joe Manganiello
So 3. 359. 359.
- [96:32]
Josh Adam Myers
I love it, dude. I love that. I love that. And I, when I said I, I just heard that there was like, there was. I just saw something about some kid running. I don't know if it was a four minute mile, but it was just in like a high school or something. Somebody just did something really cool about, about running. But either way, that is the record. Do you find this. Is this your favorite Metallica record? If you had to put your top, you. You had to rank the top five Metallica records. What are you picking?
- [97:00]
Joe Manganiello
Yeah, I mean, my heart wants to say Ride the Lightning because it was my first album that I found of Metallica. So I was discovering all of their, like, what they were all about. But, but I, I mean, I do think Master of Puppets is the, the crown jewel.
- [97:18]
Josh Adam Myers
It's a masterpiece. It's a massive masterpiece.
- [97:21]
Joe Manganiello
It's unbelievable. And you know, I want to be like the guy who's like, no, it's Ride the Lightning. But it's, it is Master of Puppets. Ride the Lightning is all. Is my sentimental favorite. But Master's amazing. I've listened to them both like a hundred million times. So sometimes like when I go to get new tattoos, I'll listen to Injustice for All, because I've listened to it slightly less, you know, but like still a ton. But I probably put those Master Ride, Justice, Black, Kill that Low, maybe. I mean, you're going with, if you're a purist, just, it's still amazing, it's still mind blowing. But I, I just, you know, justice to me. I, I, I don't know. I, I, I do have a soft spot for justice as well, but, but I, you know, I love the Black album, but I love my giant sweeping, eight minute crazy Psycho.
- [98:23]
Josh Adam Myers
Where did you put, where did you, I mean, not where did you put. What did you think of Sane Anger? Were you on. I actually like that. I mean, it's a different record, but it's. I, I love Frantic. I think it's a great song and I think St. Anger is a good song too.
- [98:37]
Joe Manganiello
So interesting. In Helsinki, they were playing St. Anger songs without the effect on the drum. You know, they were playing it just with the same full round, you know, sound that all the other songs get, you know, in concert. And some of those songs were like, I was like, wait a minute, what is, you know, like, it almost like took me back for a second and, and so, I mean, I kind of want to hear him do the full album without that, without that effect, without the noise.
- [99:08]
Josh Adam Myers
Yeah, I don't, I didn't mind it. I didn't mind it. I, I remember that coming out and people be terrible. I was like, it kind of rules. And then I just, when I, when I start doing the, the getting ready for the album of the podcast, it's like I'll, I listen to Master Puppets like three or four times all the way through. And then you're like, all right, let me just diversify and start digging on the other. And I listen to Reloaded and I listen to and Ride the Lightning and I, and I sat with Saint Anger for a workout session and I was like, this isn't that bad. It gets, I think it, I think it's just, I think with the muck of everything they had been coming off of, you know. Yeah, no, no, the Napster really, I think soured a lot of people, even though they were right to, to, to put the argument up. How did you side. I mean, that's before you knew them, obviously, but yeah, I mean, look, I.
- [99:54]
Joe Manganiello
Mean, the, the fact of the matter is this, like, I think again, you're Talking about the 90s, which was like, how dare you. Every, Everybody was a sellout. You're a sellout, they're sellout, this is sellout. And, and I remember the, you know, friends don't let friends cut their hair, you know, on the. Do you Remember that?
- [100:13]
Josh Adam Myers
I do remember that. Yeah.
- [100:14]
Joe Manganiello
Metallica cut their hair. It was like, what? You know. And then, you know, obviously it was like Black Album. Oh, my God, they're singing ballads. It's like, yeah, but so does Guns and Roses. Like, so shut up. Like who?
- [100:23]
Josh Adam Myers
Yeah, whatever.
- [100:24]
Joe Manganiello
But was like. It was like. Everybody was so like, you know, I think it was just the strength of the fan base and. And how much, you know, when you love a band, you want to keep them to yourself. You don't want other people, you know, as soon as, you know. And even now, it's like the mainstream thing.
- [100:43]
Josh Adam Myers
Portlandia does a whole bit about it. The mate, like, you know, sell out. You like. Yeah.
- [100:48]
Joe Manganiello
It's the whole thing about Kim Kardashian wearing a Metallica shirt. It's just like, oh, really? Name three of their songs. You know what I mean? Like, that started that whole movement where people wear. You're wearing an iron, you don't know who. Cannibal corpses.
- [101:01]
Josh Adam Myers
Who are you?
- [101:02]
Joe Manganiello
Yeah, like, so that. So. But that's all. Again, that's because of Metallica and their popularity and it's about how much they're loved and it's about the fact that. That they got ready to, you know, they had to burst out of the cocoon and become this. This mainstream, the biggest band in the world. Not. Not this niche band from the 80s, this niche thrash band. They. They had to go evolve. And as they evolved, they started dressing different, they cut their hair different. They went to therapy. You know, some that members were getting sober. Like, everybody started evolving so that they could survive. You need to evolve to survive. If you stay the same, you're dead. And they did that.
- [101:42]
Josh Adam Myers
And it.
- [101:42]
Joe Manganiello
It. And. And I like, now that, you know, the Corb fan base base is still intact. You know what I mean? Whatever problems they went through or albums they didn't buy, like, they're all back. They're all at the shows. Like, Metallica's just. They've got nine lives. They. They live through it and in a way that like, you know, they're still cool and they're still relevant and. And they become this like, awesome legacy band that. That we can all go and enjoy. They. They didn't die out and they had to go through these changes in order to do that. And St. Anger was like. It was just part of the Growing Pains, you know, Metallica was in therapy and we got to watch it. I. I will say that, like, the one part that I. The part of that. That doc. That people probably miss that I Love is.
- [102:24]
Josh Adam Myers
What is it?
- [102:25]
Joe Manganiello
When they're talking to Kirk and they're like, hey, man, you know, we're thinking we're not going to have you do the guitar solo, you know, guitar solos on this album, because we think it's going to make the album feel dated. And Kirk said, if I don't do a guitar solo, this album's gonna feel dated, you know, like. And I just thought that that little moment was like, that's funny. It's like, yeah, it's like, if you. If you. If you break that far, it. It's. The DNA is. The DNA chain is broken. And he was saying, like, no, you know, I'm not gonna do that. And. And so. But no, I mean, like, I said, I think it was Dirty Window. They played Dirty Window on night two in Helsinki. And I was like, holy shit, this sounds amazing.
- [103:08]
Josh Adam Myers
Great. It's great. Great record. I feel like it. It deserves another listen. To all the Metallica fans out there. All right, before I do my final questions, I wanted to ask you this. And this is the last thing before we do our final stuff. So the big four. Slayer, Megadeth, Anthrax, Metallica. I want you to rank them. What are yours? Obviously, I think you're going to go. Well, I know. I don't want to say. I don't want to say what I think.
- [103:28]
Joe Manganiello
You go, I'll go. I'll go Metallica, Slayer, man. It's. I go Anthrax and. And mega. Yeah. Yeah.
- [103:40]
Josh Adam Myers
I love Anthrax. Anthrax rules. Scott. Scotty is. He's been on the podcast. His wife. Yeah. To talk about Meatloaf. That's what I love about this podcast and I love about music, is that, you know. And I know he became much more of a Meatloaf fan as he was married to Meatlo's daughter, but still, the fact that he could talk about it. And you look at Scotty and you're like, dude. You're a. Like, you know, dude, he's. He's a. He's like. When you talk about like. Like iconic metal guys or spokes metal, Scotty is like, obviously, he's. He plays with everybody, you know. Yeah. And so publicity.
- [104:14]
Joe Manganiello
I mean, they, you know.
- [104:15]
Josh Adam Myers
Yeah.
- [104:15]
Joe Manganiello
Bring the noise. I mean. Yeah.
- [104:16]
Josh Adam Myers
Like, of course it's so. But it's what's so cool. I think I would pretty much. I think I would go Metallica, Anthrax. Yeah. Slayer, Megadeth. And nothing against Megadeth. I think Megadeth might have the best T shirts out of all of them.
- [104:30]
Joe Manganiello
They have the coolest Metallica T shirt kind of guy, I gotta say.
- [104:34]
Josh Adam Myers
Sure.
- [104:36]
Joe Manganiello
Mean is like. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [104:39]
Josh Adam Myers
I was gonna wear my, my Metallica T shirt that I have. I have an injustice for all one. But Mrs. My just dyed my hair. It'll get ruined. And, and yeah, so we can't do that right now. I gotta keep the vintage. Dude, please. All right, so before I do the final questions, please come back on for another record. Dude, this was a. This is a trip and we're gonna stay in touch. I definitely want to see a show with you also, you know, come to the goddamn Comedy Gym. I know you're in la. I do the jam at the Comedy Store and I do a main room show when I come to town once a month. Month. I'd love to treat you, your girlfriend, your friends, whoever. Tom's been there.
- [105:11]
Joe Manganiello
Just let me know. Yeah, we gotta go to shows. We gotta. Are you going to Birmingham for Black Sabbath?
- [105:17]
Josh Adam Myers
No, because I'm going to see. I know, I'm going to see oa. I'm gonna see. I'm here, British man. I'm going to see Oasis, England for that one. Yeah, but I'm going, I'm going with. I'm going with Jim Jeffries, Jimmy Carr and Steve Burns. So it's, it's, it's just, it's a. Listen, I don't know, maybe I will go see Flags.
- [105:40]
Joe Manganiello
It'll be the peak. This. We are approaching the peak of heavy metal. The peak of heavy metal is going to be July 5th in Birmingham, England. And then from there it's, it's, it's, it's going to, it's gonna, it's gonna be on the downs. I mean, I'm not saying that like, oh, it's over. I'm just saying that that will be the peak. This is the mountain. The, the Mount Everest of heavy metal will be that day. Tom Morello is the musical director for the day. He just saw him last weekend and he just named. He named off. I'm not going to announce, but he named off more like insane bands that have signed up to come over. Like it's going to start at 10am and it's like some insane band is going to kick it off at 10, 8. Like you're going to need to be there at 9am to get in July, right?
- [106:28]
Josh Adam Myers
You'll be for a week. I'll be there the end of the month. So I could. What? I could. Listen, like, I'm warning you.
- [106:35]
Joe Manganiello
I'm warning you. If you Miss it. You're gonna, like, lose your. You gotta be there.
- [106:39]
Josh Adam Myers
Just spend the whole month. And that's what I was about to say. I was like, maybe I'll just cancel. I'll just.
- [106:45]
Joe Manganiello
From there. I think everybody's gonna be there, bro.
- [106:48]
Josh Adam Myers
Like, it's. Oh, I know. That's. I bring. Oh, you just bought me all that equipment, Jer. I could.
- [106:52]
Joe Manganiello
I'll bring the microphone. You bring your.
- [106:54]
Josh Adam Myers
Yours. Come on. All right, all right. We'll talk about it. I got some. I got some miles I can. I can use. And I'll find way to make some money out there, so. All right. Either way, we're hanging. All right. I ask everybody these questions. I'm gonna ask you the same ones. What's your favorite song on this record?
- [107:09]
Joe Manganiello
Master Puppets.
- [107:11]
Josh Adam Myers
Okay. Least favorite or one that you skip over?
- [107:16]
Joe Manganiello
Oh, man, hold on. I'm pulling it up. I just wanna. I just wanna be looking at it right now.
- [107:22]
Josh Adam Myers
No, go ahead. It's good.
- [107:24]
Joe Manganiello
Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. Hold on. God, how am I supposed to pick? No, they're all.
- [107:36]
Josh Adam Myers
It's. It's not a matter. It's such a loaded question because it makes it seem like you don't like it. Like, sometimes when I say, what do you skip over? Sometimes it's the most popular song on the record because you've listened to it so much that you really.
- [107:49]
Joe Manganiello
It might be. It might be like. I mean, if I. I mean, what? Damage Incorporated. But how do you do that? I can't.
- [107:57]
Josh Adam Myers
I skipped over. Listen, when I was working out, I skipped over Orion just because I wanted the. I wanted to get back to, like, you know.
- [108:05]
Joe Manganiello
Yeah, you're right. I mean.
- [108:06]
Josh Adam Myers
But it's not that it's bad. It's not that it's bad. It's just like, I was in the vibe of, like.
- [108:13]
Joe Manganiello
Yeah, yeah. All right. I agree with that. I agree.
- [108:16]
Josh Adam Myers
Okay.
- [108:16]
Joe Manganiello
But, yeah.
- [108:17]
Josh Adam Myers
Can you. To this record or have you. But mostly Ken.
- [108:21]
Joe Manganiello
Oh, man.
- [108:23]
Josh Adam Myers
Are you a metal, or you. Like, that sounds so terrible. You metal? You Irons and crystals. No, but is like, you know, is this an album that can be put on?
- [108:34]
Joe Manganiello
I'm gonna say. I'm going to say no. I'm gonna say maybe not.
- [108:42]
Josh Adam Myers
Not. Yeah, it's not.
- [108:43]
Joe Manganiello
I mean, if given the choice between Mezzanine and Master of Puppets, I mean, we're not. What are we arguing?
- [108:49]
Josh Adam Myers
100%. Well, that's. That's like, you're. You're literally talking about one of the greatest sex albums of all time. Like, you can mezzanine Massive Attack is. And, and. And the. Actually all three Massive Attack is just made for. You could put it on and do the sex playlist.
- [109:11]
Joe Manganiello
I don't. I don't know that. That. Yeah, Leper Messiah, like, I don't want that in the background, man. Just leave me alone.
- [109:27]
Josh Adam Myers
Leave me the alone, you know. This is a true story, Joe. This is a true story. And Jerry, I tell this on stage, but Every. I have three DUIs. I haven't drank in almost 20 years. But every DUI I got, I was listening to Metallic. Metallica. And on the. And on the second one, on the second one, I crashed my car. And the cops, like 12 cop cars showed up. This is a true story. 12 cop care showed up. Me and my buddy were. Were fine. We were a little beaten and bruised, but we were fine. 12 cop cars showed up while one of them was doing the sobriety test on me. The other 11 couldn't get the Metallica off the car stereo. So my 11, like. So I was like, it was like, give me fuel, give me five, give me that. Which they're arresting me and it's like. And I'm like, this night of play, it's almost over. The CD is going to skip. True story. God damn. What would be your. What would be your elevator pitch to get someone to listen to this record? Like, how do you sum this record up to somebody who's never listened to it and would like. And you were trying to get him do.
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Joe Manganiello
Oh, man. I mean, it's, it's, it's peak heavy metal. I mean, as far as the genre goes, as far as, like, you know, in keeping like, the integrity of the heaviness while also having like, like all of the artistry and, and, and like kind of dark, muscular poetry. I mean, this is it. It's like, you know, how can you not listen to Master of Puppets and like, again, like, see all of the possibilities for the genre. This is it. This is like. This is. This is the best the genre gets right here. There's other people that have like, tapped into that and touched that, you know. But, but man, this. This was it. This was it.
- [111:20]
Josh Adam Myers
Yeah.
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Joe Manganiello
I mean, again, like, one. One kind of goes in its own sort of like, you know, I think, I think, I think, you know, one takes it in a different direction to a certain degree and, and then kind of the genre. The genre is a little bit. I don't want to say it's done, but like, you know, it goes away for a while and kind of came back with Power Trip a little Bit like he went away for a little while.
- [111:40]
Josh Adam Myers
Yeah.
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Joe Manganiello
And it looked like Power Trip was going to kind of like put thrash back on the throne with like, Executioners Tax and all of that. But. But like, this was really the high watermark, man.
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Josh Adam Myers
I could. I think you said that perfectly. It's like if you're. If you look at this, if you look up thrash metal in the dictionary, like, this should be the example of the way to. To express it to somebody. But you're literally getting a band. And I think this is. They didn't dip after this. They changed, like, because like you said, evolution is necessary or you'll die. And all of our favorite bands, you know, the best artists are always growing. But this is why Metallica is Metallica. This is the. The gold standard of. Of thrash metal, whatever you want to call it. It was the. One of the strongest records to come out of the 80s. And. And it's. And it's really fucking cool to see the evolution, to see people digging on it now. Right.
- [112:37]
Joe Manganiello
And I have a monologue all about it in my. My independent film Shoplifters of the World. I play a character named Full Metal Middle Mickey. I'm a radio dj.
- [112:46]
Josh Adam Myers
Nice.
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Joe Manganiello
I have this kind of like sad monologue about Master of Puppets, the movie shop, those of the world. It's about the day in 1987 that the Smiths broke up. There. There was an urban legend that there was a kid in Denver, Colorado that went and held a radio station up at gunpoint and forced the. The metal DJ to play nothing but Smiths all night long to impress this girl he was in love. Love with. So there's an urban legend about this. And this really fun script was written by a guy named Stephen Kayak. And then we went out and filmed this thing independently in upstate New York. And I played Full Metal Mickey, you know, 100.7. And I'm in the radio station getting held up by this, like, mopey, depressive Smith kid. And over the course of a night, he and I kind of like, interface, where he understands that metal is more than he thinks. And I understand that the Smiths are more than I think. And we kind of meet in the middle and I have this monologue about master puppets. So I love it. There you go.
- [113:45]
Josh Adam Myers
Well, dude, one. And by the way, and add on this too, is like. Are you a Smiths fan? Because. Because of the podcast. I am now. I may. I'll say this.
- [113:53]
Joe Manganiello
You love them now.
- [113:53]
Josh Adam Myers
I. Well, I don't. It's not that I love. I Think Johnny. Johnny. Oh, you do? I think Johnny Mar is one of the greatest guitarists that ever. One of the greatest songwriters that's ever lived. I. I don't like Morrissey as a human being, but I love the Smiths.
- [114:10]
Joe Manganiello
So what's funny is what you just said is. Is. Is. Is like almost verbatim what my character says in. In the movie. The kid forces me to put on a guitar, you know, one of the records, and I'm like, you know, and you can see me. And I grab the album cover and I'm like. And I'm like. Because I'm looking up who the guitarist is, because I'm like, all right, Guitars. Yeah, yeah, no, he's pretty good. You know, Like, I. And that's what win. So it's funny. It's like. But no, I was. Listen, as soon as I got into high school theater.
- [114:44]
Josh Adam Myers
Yeah.
- [114:45]
Joe Manganiello
You know, in. In. In the 90s, it was like, you know, the theater girls were giving me Smith's mixtapes and things. That was it, baby. So from there, it was like, I actually spent 10 years helping to get this film made because I just. I love the Smiths and also Morrissey and Johnny Mar gave us the rights to 20 of the songs, most of which had never been home or tv. Yeah. So the whole movie, that would have.
- [115:11]
Josh Adam Myers
Cost so much money. That's crazy.
- [115:13]
Joe Manganiello
They know. They. They totally took mercy on us as an independent film and. And helped us get him.
- [115:17]
Josh Adam Myers
Good. Good. That's awesome. That makes me happy. And. And I. Dude, you probably killed it in high school. Jared, like, he looked like. He looked like Jake Ryan from Sixteen Candles in high school. So you're doing pretty good, bro.
- [115:29]
Joe Manganiello
You're doing pretty good with the goth girls.
- [115:32]
Josh Adam Myers
With the goth girls. Oh, you're the hottest goth girl. You were the hottest. You didn't have. You didn't get the bottom of the ring rings. Like, some of the ones that we see now.
- [115:41]
Joe Manganiello
Goth girls, they look like grown women. Like, they would come to, like, my volleyball game or, you know, they would come, like, summer league basketball. Some, like, goth girl would show up. It looks like a. Like a grown woman. And my friends were like, what in the is going on right now? You know, it was like that. It was funny. It was funny.
- [115:57]
Josh Adam Myers
Dude, promote away, please. I mean, we're gonna do it at the beginning of the anyway, but anything we should check out. I know you've got. You say you're doing the finale for the show, but promote away finale for.
- [116:05]
Joe Manganiello
Dealer no Deal island, which will blow your mind. It. It'll blow your mind. It's unbelievable what happens in this finale. It's actually a historic occasion, so people are going to be talking about it. It's wild.
- [116:19]
Josh Adam Myers
I love it. Dude. Dude. Thank you so much for coming on. I can't wait to catch a concert with you, brother. Seriously. Let's. Let's. What did I tell you? What did I tell you? The one and only Joe Manganelo. He is the coolest. Follow him on Instagram at J O E M A n G A N I E L L O L and on Instagram just add his name and on facebook@facebook.com backslash Joe Manganiello. Check out his documentary 50 Years of Fantasy at 50years of fantasy.com and head to Peacock to watch Deal or no Deal island and watch that finale. And don't forget to respect and contribute to the charity near and dear to him. GiveToChildrens.org University of Pittsburgh Medical Center Children's Hospital. And he has that movie Nona's coming out end of April, so be on the lookout for that. Support him. Support the show. We're having him back. Don't worry. Now we just listened to Master of Puppets by Metallica for new music this week, brought to you in part by Distrokid is Hollow Smile by Dark Chapel, who is led by Black Label Society guitarist Dario Lorena. And you can find links to the music on our website the500podcast.com and if you were in a band or were directly influenced by one of these albums or artists and you want your music featured on the 500 website, send us your song to 500podcast gmail.com. make sure you put the album and artist that influenced you in the subject line. Next week is number one in 66 with Elvis Costello week and the attractions. Don't forget about them. Imperial bedroom from 1982 according to Morty, it is a biggie. Contiggy do your homework everybody. Thank you for tuning the fleece in.
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Joe Manganiello
Half Empty Pale blue lights Piercing through a hollow smile.
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Josh Adam Myers
Through a hollow smile no aspirations to desire.
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Joe Manganiello
Leaving for God.
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Josh Adam Myers
That may occur this is Body with no cure Veins have empty Pale blue.
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Joe Manganiello
Light is an entry door Hollow smile Sa hollo smile Hollow smile.
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Josh Adam Myers
Hollow smile Hollow smile hollow smile the 500 keeping it flee for the fleece nation.
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Joe Manganiello
The.
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Josh Adam Myers
500 the 500.
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