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The Abigail Peugh Podcast
53. Hot Girl Walks, Pickles, & My Highest Revenue Day — A Juicy Q&A With Yours Truly
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A
Foreign. You're listening to an episode of the Abigail Pugh podcast with. You guessed it, Abigail Pugh. I'm an introverted mama who took my online business from zero to seven figures in 15 months, selling my own digital products on social media. And guess what? I did it all with my 3 year old daughter no less than 3ft away from me at all times. Now I'm bringing you everything I've learned about building a wildly profitable online business that supports your life while allowing you to truly live it. Get ready for raw, honest conversations with entrepreneurs making thousands per month selling their own digital products and people just like you who ditch self doubt to create the life they've always wanted. If you're ready to make more money, have more impact, and still have time for the things that matter most, you're in the right place. Grab your sneakers, head out on your hot girl walk, and let's dive in.
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B
Hey, everyone. We are back again for another guest episode. If you're wondering why I sound a little different, it's because this. This isn't Abigail. I. Mary, Abigail's sister, virtual assistant, podcast manager, and most importantly, Abigail's little bitch. This week, we thought it'd be fun to switch it up and have Abigail be the guest on her own show for a fun little juicy Q and A. So, Abigail, welcome to your show.
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A
The way you've been waiting to troll me with that intro. If you guys can already tell, we love to poke jokes at each other and troll each other. It is our love. L. I would never do this to someone that was just a regular employee. And thank you. Thank you for welcoming me to my own show. This feels kind of weird.
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B
You're. You're welcome. I'm so glad you're here. I do. All right, so pick your poison. Would you like to start with some business questions or some personal questions?
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A
Well, I don't want either. Poison. Geez, I hope they're good questions. I haven't seen a majority of these questions, you guys. So let's start with personal. I feel like personal is always a lot of fun.
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B
Okay.
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A
Not that business isn't like, I hate business.
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B
Okay, so what's your go to song when you need to hype yourself up?
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A
Before I answer that question, I'm going to tally how many times you say during this episode, you're already at three.
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B
You know, the benefit is that I can edit myself to sound really good and edit you to sound really bad. So.
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A
Okay. My favorite song. I feel like I don't have one particular song that I use. To hype myself up. But I. Right now I'm really into, like, Forest Frank. He's really fun. He is. He does, like, really uplifting songs. He just did one with Thomas Rhett and he's technically like a Christian singer, but. But I just feel like his. His music is really uplifting and fun. And I find that whatever I'm listening to is, like, intertwined into everything that I do. So the more uplifting the music is, the more I like it. But I also. Every time I start a walk, I love listening to the song where it goes like, pretty girls walk like this, this, this, and I just like, rock out. And I'm like, this is a terrible. Like, the lyrics are not super great, but whatever. It like, hypes me up in wait.
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B
That's so funny. Like a. That's like a TikTok trend, right?
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A
I think. I think it used to be it's an actual song. But yeah. Yeah, I just. It like, makes me feel so good. Especially right now where I'm like, limping walking with two blisters on my feet, so I look so old trying to walk. Like I'm like hobbling along the road and I'm like listening to this rap song in my. I look ridiculous.
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B
And then it switches to. To Forest Frank, you said it's like super chill and nice.
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A
I'm very. I'm very. Like, I hyper fixate on something for a while and those are like. Those are my hyper fixations right now. And then I'm just like, constantly singing trends in my head. Like, Trevor will be like, why do you keep humming that? I'm like, sorry, it's a trending audio. I can't get it out of my head right now.
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B
So it's not the Dixie Chicks.
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A
I mean, I love the Dixie Chicks, but I go through phases. Like, there'll be phases right now. Actually, the album that I listen to the most is Wicked. Charlie. My daughter and I will just belt Wicked. We go on Wicked walks where she'll walk four miles with me in the stroller and she gets out to run. And every time Dancing Through Life comes on, she goes, mom, hold on, let me get out. I wanna. While I sing this. And it's the cutest freaking thing I've ever seen in my life. So Wicked is definitely like our album of life right now. It's great. And she saw the play Wicked last weekend. And so we have these like, washcloths or not washcloths. They're like kitchen towels. Cotton kitchen towels, but they're really long and she makes us tie one on her every morning to have her Elphaba cape. It's the best thing ever. She's so cute.
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B
I have never been more proud of my niece. I'm a big musical theater fan and my daughter also. Yeah, and now your daughter loves us and you're like, yeah, let's do a wicked walk. Rude. Oh, my gosh. But I love that. Okay, what's one thing about motherhood you didn't expect to impact your business, but.
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A
Really did I feel like becoming a mom made me a better business owner. And I was kind of afraid before I had a kid that I would kind of get worse as a business owner, because I love being a mom. I love prioritizing my daughter, I love spending time with her. But honestly, when I became a mom, it made me prioritize the time I did have to work so much more. Like, when I started this business, my husband was healing from two strokes. Charlie. My daughter was. What was she like around 2? I think she was just about to turn 2 and it was a lot. But the times that I had when she was napping or when she was free playing, like, I utilized that time like no other. Whereas before I was a mom, I had like endless hours in the day. And I remember wasting so much time before I became a mom because you overthink everything and you're like, oh, my God, like, I'm just going to take a day to chill and then it turns into two days to chill, and then you're like three weeks into just fricking chilling every day. And I'm like, oh, my gosh, I have so much to do and so many, like, ideas that I want to do. But when you're a mom, like, you don't have that luxury of having all this free time. So the free time that I did have, I feel like made me so much more focused on the things that were actually going to move the needle. And it really helps me realize, like, okay, like, I only get one to two hours right now, a day. And I'm gonna use that time to work on my money making tasks. Even though, like, I had a laundry list of other things I wanted to do, but I needed to move the needle. And when I became a mom, like, that forced me to do it. And even now to this day, like, my husband will be like, hey, okay, you have this recording and then we're gonna go to Home Depot and rent something for the lawn, which is what they're actually doing today. And we're going to, like, do this XY thing to the lawn. We'll be done at this time. So I'm like, okay, cool. I can get the podcast recording in, and then I have an hour to get work done. And, like, that's my time for the day. Otherwise, later on, I'm eating into time that I could be with Charlie and my husband, too. Like, I like my husband, too. I just bring up Charlie more. So, yeah. Honestly, it's just made me a way better business owner, which I wasn't expecting that.
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B
Yeah, I feel that to my core. I feel like since being a mom, the efficiency of, like, two hours of work, like, is the amount I can get done.
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A
I can tell when your kids are napping. Cause I'm like, oh, crap. She's getting a ton of stuff done right now. The inbox was at 400 an hour ago, and now it's at a hundred. Cool. Yep.
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B
They're like, oh, they're having a good day. Oh, my gosh. Okay, if your life were a reality show, what would it be called? And would you ever go on a reality TV show in life?
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A
Okay, first, I'm gonna answer the second question. Hell, no. I am way too sensitive. I could never. I think I'd be really entertaining on a show because my way of showing that I like people and I love them is by trolling them. Like, I'm just. My sisters know, my brother knows. Like, we troll each other. We have a lot of fun. But I think if I went on a show, I wouldn't be able to handle not having my own privacy. I'm also, like, a big, fat baby. I can dish it, but I can't always take it. Like, I can take the little jokes, but when it, like, gets deeper, I'm like, oh, my gosh. They think this about me. Like, it's. I don't have thick enough skin to be on a reality show.
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B
I can verify that this is true.
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A
And if I had my own, I don't know, it'd probably be something with either rich girl or hot girl, because I, you know, talk about my hot girl walks. I've kind of branded myself as someone that goes on hot girl walks and loves pickles. The color pink. And now I'm, like, working food into my content, and I'm having so much, so much fun with it. Like, I'm showing recipes while still talking about being a business owner. I'm reviewing. I reviewed Sour Grapes the other day, so I don't know. I feel like it would be something related to food and business, because I'm finding That the longer I'm in business, the more I want to share more parts of me that I like, enjoy. And I love food. I love eating healthy. I love finding ways to enjoy food while still eating healthy. Because, like, I could never eat chicken and broccoli every single day. Like, gag, gag, meat, never. But I love to be healthy and be in shape. So, yeah, I don't think I have an exact name for that.
- [09:30]
B
I love that. And I love that with Instagram, like, you get to cater to, like, what you're wanting, you know, as opposed to, like, a reality TV show. You know, the producers, they decide, like, what spin they're gonna take on someone's words.
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A
And, you know, like, what was that Mormon show? What? What was the Mormon show they just did? Secret Life of Mormon Wives. The way they twisted so many things. And, like, the girls have talked about this, how they're like, yeah, no, they told us to do that. We didn't realize this was the spin they're going to take. And I just don't. Like, I need to be my own producer so that I could spin things to be funny, but not spin them to be like, wow, that is not at all what happened. And again, I just couldn't handle the lack of privacy that they have. Like, I love to share what I want to share because I'm very introverted. And I think that's why Instagram works for me, is to get. I get to choose what I want to share. It's not like I have to share everything. And that kind of goes out the window with reality shows. No, thank you.
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B
Right? No, thanks. Okay, what is the most amount of money you have made in one day?
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A
Ooh, okay. I'm pretty sure it was. I launched a mastermind, I think it was in 2023, I want to say. And it was 9 97, and I sold i31. I think it ended up being 32 spots, because there was supposed to be 30, and then two people checked out at, like, the exact same time at the end. So it was either 31 or 32 people, but it was $30,000 in six hours, which was insane. And we, like, went to the zoo that morning because, I don't know, the way I like to launch is I do so much prep work before, so that when I'm actually launching, there's not that much to do. So I remember being at the zoo with my mom and Charlie and my husband, and I was like, okay, guys, just made $30,000 in one day. Like, what is going on? But, yeah, I Think usually that amount of money, like, that only happens during launches. That's not like a daily thing whatsoever at all. And it was something that I, like, prepared for for a long time. I was priming my audience and they knew it was coming. It was like limited spots. So, yeah, it was wild. I just remember thinking, like, this is insane. Like, I feel like that's what I used to make in a year at one of my jobs. Like, yeah, it's wild. It's stupid. It's stupid. What is possible, like, with digital products these days? It's wild.
- [11:48]
B
I also love that you were at the zoo with your family. Like, that just. That is also the benefit of digital products that you get to. You didn't have to request off to go to the zoo and to have that special day with mom and with Charlie.
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A
And here's the deal. Like, I would never call that passive income because I put so much work in before for that to happen. And I never really use the term passive income because I think to me, people think it means, like, oh, I just, like, never work and I make money all the time. And it's like, no, you're working at certain times, but then even when you're not working, the work you already put in is helping you to continue to make sales. So I put a lot of work in for that launch, and it was incredible. And I still kind of, like, pinch myself sometimes. Like, did that really happen? But the money and the, you know, the sales just came in after I had put so much of the work in. And then of course after that, it was a mastermind. So I had six weeks of work after that. So it was incredible. And I will never forget that first mastermind. Like, I still know and, like, in touch with a lot of ladies who are in it, but it was. It was just stupid. There's, like no other way to describe that type of thing happening. It was pretty wild. Stupid in a good way. Like, wild, Insane. Crazy. Amazing. Wonderful.
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B
Life changing.
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A
Yeah, pretty much.
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B
Okay, when you look at your daughter now, knowing the journey that got you here, what do you hope she sees in you?
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A
I hope she sees that you can be a present and loving mom and still be a badass at work and still do whatever you want in the field of your choice. I tell her all the time, you can do whatever you want. Like, whatever you set your mind to, you can do. And recently she started saying, like, oh, I can't do this. And I've been telling her, I'm like, don't say you can't. Because your brain is listening to you. So when we're on our walks, you know, she'll be getting tired. And I never push her. I'm always like, if you need to sit in the stroller, sit in the stroller. Absolutely. But I always tell her, like, don't tell your body. You can't just tell your body, wow, my legs are a little bit tired. I think I'm going to take a little bit of a break. And so I think for me, my main thing is I just, I want her to know that she can do whatever she wants. And choosing this type of career, at least with digital products and social media and also choosing to be a present mom, are totally possible together. It's not like it was 10, 15 years ago where if you had a career, you were never around your children. That's just not the case anymore. And I love that. I love that for her. So just kind of showing her that you can do both. And she gets to see me following my dreams in both areas. Right. Like, I am with her all the time. And even when I'm working, like she has access to me, she's just in my office unless I'm doing like a podcast or a call, which even then, not during podcasts. We are pretty firm on my boundaries there. Like, you can't come in to my closet. That's where I'm recording during podcast recordings. But she'll come into some of my calls and say hi and I still have the boundaries. Like, you can come say hi, but then you can't stay in there and talk the whole time. Right. Like, I'm gonna respect my students time and energy, but I just, I want her to see what I'm doing. And now she'll even, you know, like one of my podcast mics that the first ones that I got broke and so she took it. And I have two keyboards that I kind of switch out between and she takes one of them and she'll be in the other room. Like, mom, I'm podcasting for the day and kind of just like seeing her pick up on all of this. So I love it. And yes, obviously some days it's really freaking hard when, you know, she has these big feelings and maybe has a meltdown that she needs me to help her regulate. And it's two minutes before I start a live call. Like, my brain is a little crazy right then, but I'm just so grateful that I'm able to be around her. And so is my husband. Like, my husband used to work 8 to 8 on weekends and 8 to. I think it was like 8 to 5 during the week. And he was home, which was nice, but it was. He didn't work for himself. He worked for somebody else. So there was not as much flexibility. And it was really hard. Like, he didn't have the time with her that I got. And so now my husband is home full time, and they're, like, best friends. It's the cutest thing ever. I'm still. I'm still her favorite at bedtime, which I love always. I better be. Four years of putting you to bed, and now we trade off just. She's almost five, so almost five years of me putting her to bed, and now my husband does it one night and I do it the next night, and she still, like, favors me so much, and I love it. Like, the other day, she. It was so funny. She was like, oh, mom, is it your night? I'm like, no, Mama's night is tomorrow night. Dun, dun, dun. And I, like, made an exciting noise. And then she goes, oh, yeah, Papa's night is tonight. Bum, bum, bum. And she, like, made it so dramatic. And I was laughing so hard, and my husband was like, awesome. I spend all day, every day with her because he's been home for, I want to say two. Maybe a year. It's either one year or two year in March. I don't remember. But he's been home and around her for a long time. So, like, there are two peas in a bod. But I'm still the favorite, which I'm like, phew. Okay, good.
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B
Oh, I love that because I do the same thing, right? I'm home most of the time with my kids, and you're so lucky.
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A
You have the best boss ever. Oh, my God. I know.
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B
I really do. No, but it's. It's so wonderful getting to do both things because I'm like you. I'm so passionate about motherhood, but I know that I would go crazy if I didn't also get to work the.
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A
Outlet is, like, insane. Having that outlet of just doing something different. And I feel like I always knew I would need, like, my brain loves to do two different things. Like, even before I started this business and all the other things, like, I always had, like, little side hustles going on because I always loved doing multiple things. Like, my brain would not do well if I only had one thing, that I did the same thing every single day. But I feel like when you're a mom and, you know, there's lots of craziness with being moms, And Mary has two under two. Lucy's not even one yet, right? Nope. She has a one year old and a five month old. So, like, it's a lot. It's a lot.
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B
Yeah. They're 17 months apart.
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A
Oh, my gosh. Every time they come to stay with us and, like, both of them lose their shit at the same time. We're all like.
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B
I'm. I'm used to it at this.
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A
I know. You're so mellow. And I like, look over at my husband. He's like, his eyes are all wide. He's like, oh, my God. I'm like, don't worry, that's. Well, we won't have that age gap. I know.
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B
Well, also, my youngest was only two months when we came to visit you last.
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A
Oh, that's true. So he's a bitty baby. And now he's like, now that he's five months old, he's like, perfect. We went and saw them and the only thing my daughter came back saying was, papa Noah didn't cry at all. Like, like, and he really didn't, like, hardly at all. But it's a lot to balance between working and having kids. But I do, I 100% agree. Like, having that outlet and just letting your brain do something that's like, not wiping someone's butt is wonderful.
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B
Yes. Have you ever had to fire someone?
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A
Oh, my gosh. Literally, like, it makes my skin crawl talking about this. But, yes, I have. And it wasn't for this business. It was actually years and years ago. I started off as a nanny and I, like, worked my way up in this family that I worked for. They had 10 children, 10 boys, huge family, Amazing family. I love them all to pieces. They're like, all the kids are getting into college right now. It's crazy. But I was. I ended up becoming like, the staff manager, like, household manager. And so I had to kind of run the other nannies, the other staff, because one of the boys had special needs. So they had to have a nighttime nanny that was on at night to help if anything kind of went wrong. And, you know, they were. They were all under the age of four at one point, so that's how close together they were. Like, I could talk about this for a long time, but I also worked there too. Yes, she needed a staff to help, especially when they were younger. And it was this girl. It was when they lived in Santa Monica. She was like the sweetest girl ever. Like, you could tell she was just working so hard, but she was the nighttime nanny, so she had to come at 9pm and it was when the last nanny was off for the day so that this one came and like, relieved them and was there all night. And she was continuously late and she took like four buses to get there. Like, she needed this job. And I feel like we gave, like, I remember it was like several opportunities. Like, I feel like there was like five times that it happened where I just kept having to tell her, like, hey, like, you can't be late. Like, this makes the other person have to stay late. And then it just kind of like. Like, it's a really important time for someone not to be late. Right? And so I remember the last time it happened, the mom was like, we. We just, we can't do this anymore. Like, we have to let her go. And I just. I hate conflict. I hate making people feel bad. Even though, like, I know that essentially, like, it was her fault, like, which sounds sad to say, but we really needed someone that was reliable. And so I had to let her go. And it was awful. And I remember like handing her the check and she wouldn't take it. She was like, no, I can't. Like, I need this job. And I just like, wanted to break down and cry. I felt so crummy. Like, oh, it was so hard. But I will say it really helped me realize that, like, I did not want to manage people. I did not want to be in control of, like, a huge team. And I learned so much from that job. And like, the mom is one of the reasons that I have such a good relationship with money. She, like, go to conferences and like, she was amazing. And she really did pour into me as a human as well and kind of made me realize what I wanted in life. So I owe a lot to her. But that moment really made me realize, like, I want to build an amazing business. I want to be an entrepreneur and I don't want to manage people. And at the time, digital products were not a huge thing yet. And so I didn't. I never really understood how, like, how can I do what I want? How can I make the kind of money that I want for my family, for generational wealth, to pass things on to my children without having to manage a team. And it's crazy. Like, years later I started this business and I'm so glad that I've never had to fire anyone. Like, watch it, Mary. I don't want to have to fire. It just was such a crummy feeling of being in charge of other people like that. And I know some people are like, Made for it. And they're really good at it. And conflict doesn't keep them up at night. I have a lot of friends that are enneagram8, if you guys know anything about the Enneagram. I'm an enneagram, too, so I'm very, like, very soft on the inside. And I just. Conflict makes me want to throw up, literally. I'm, like, in a group chat with some of my friends. They're eights, and they're always, like, when something happens or, like, there's a comment or something, they're, like, ready to go to battle. And I'm like, no, no, no. Guys, just. Just sweep it under the rug. Like, we're good. But that experience really let me know that, like, that is not something I can do or want to do often. But, yeah, it was. It was awful. It was, like, the worst moment ever, and I will never forget it. Like, I remember it so vividly in my head. It was like, I know exactly where we were when I handed it to her. Like, my brain will never forget that moment. But luckily, fingers crossed. In this business, I've never had to fire anyone.
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B
Keeps me up at night. Well, I was thinking to end the call, we could do some fast this or that questions.
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A
So are you telling me that I'm too long winded?
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B
Yes. I'm telling you my son is probably gonna wake up from his nap pretty soon.
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A
Okay, let's go, Noah. Keep sleeping. You got this. I know.
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B
I'm, like, staring at the monitor, like, all right. In n out or Taco Bell.
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A
In and out. Hands down.
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B
Early mornings or late nights?
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A
Early mornings. Except now, the second I wake up, my daughter also wakes up. Like, I can't move or flinch to get out to pee without this little voice of like, mom, where are you going? What are you doing? She has her, like, little morning raspy voice. I'm like, just. Just pee and be. And that's all. Be right back. She's still co Sleeps with us, but I was the person in college that would go to bed at 6pm and wake up at 3am to finish my paper because I'm way more fresh in the morning. So it was fun.
- [23:52]
B
Wow. Same.
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A
It's like we're related.
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B
Was it always the day it was due?
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A
Oh, absolutely. I need the deadline or else it ain't gonn. Hey, but you know what? We graduated college without chatgpt, so, I mean, that says a lot.
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B
Pat ourselves on the back right there.
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A
Literally.
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B
Okay. Text or voice message?
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A
Oh, God. Voice message. Which is gonna be my Demise. Everybody knows that I send voice memos on my walk. So if you get a response from me and I'm like, okay, so it's because I'm on my hot girl walk and I'm responding. I don't know. I like to talk things out and sometimes when you just like text, text back that it just. It sounds off. But my poor best friend, I send her like, the longest voice memos. I'm like, sorry, I love you.
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B
I can't tell you how many times I've recorded a voice message for you asking you questions. And then I delete it because it's like four minutes long.
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A
Yeah, I don't want that. I always tell her when she sends me long ones, I'm like, are you kidding me? Are you kidding me right now? And then I do it.
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B
I know, yeah, you can dish it, but you can't take it. Okay, beach or mountains?
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A
Oh, shoot. This is a hard one because I grew up at the beach and now we live in the mountains. And I love both, but I think I will forever be a beach girl. We took Charlie to Hawaii this year or last year, and now every time we like, my husband and I always like to look at houses. Like, we're not trying to buy and sell right now, but like, you never know. So we're always looking and she's always like, I want to live half the year in Hawaii and the other half of the year. And what did she say? Like McCall, Idaho. Or like places that we've gone to in the mountains to go skiing or just hang out. But there's something so healing and amazing about the beach. And when you grow up there and then you go back, it just. It feels. It feels like home. And my mom recently went back to California and came back with like three bags of seashells for us. So they are all over our house right now, which is fun. So, yeah, thanks. Thanks, gma.
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B
That's such a mom thing to do.
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A
She's like, I thought this would be better than plastic toys. I'm like, can you just not buy anything when you go like.
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B
Or maybe not. Three bags.
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A
Oh, my gosh. I know. They're everywhere. But she loves them and she, like, every morning, one of them is like a really funny shaped one so, like, you can hear the ocean in it. So she'll be like, mom, come here. Listen to the ocean. Okay.
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B
Reading or binge watching?
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A
It depends on the month. I go through phases and like, right now we're binging white lotus, which I still don't know if I Like the show. Like, I'm watching it, but I'm like, I kind of love, hate it. Like, we're in season three right now, which has been my least favorite. I really liked 1 and 2 or I don't even know about really liked. Like, I preferred the characters in one or two. Season three. I'm just like having a hard time. But now I have to finish it. But I'm definitely a binge watcher. When we watch a show, I'm like, let's watch four in one night so we can finish it in two days. And then I go through phases. Like this year, I'm reading one book a year and I'm a little bit ahead. So I haven't been reading every morning like I should be. But I just got Demi Moore's autobiography and I can't wait to read it. I love autobiographies. I think they're so much fun to read. I like reading actual stories of people's lives. Like, I'm not a huge fiction girl, so can't relate.
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B
No, I, I love autobiographies though.
- [27:06]
A
They're fascinating.
- [27:07]
B
I have a really hard time reading business books, but autobiographies are really nice because there's some realism. But also, yes, is some more escape.
- [27:17]
A
I 100% agree. Like, all the business books I have, except for Alex Hormozi's, his are really like tangible business books. It's not like thought processes almost. But pretty much all the business books I have, I've read like certain chapters, things that I need at the time. And then I learned so much better through storytelling, which take note of that, you guys, with content. Like, people learn better through a story. And I'll say the best autobiography I've ever read that's like related to business is the guy who started Nike. He wrote an autobiography. And I can't remember the name of it. It is the most fascinating thing I've ever read. And just like the bridges he burned to build the company that it is today, it's. Or, and not even all. Like, he didn't burn a ton of bridges, but like, just the way he worked with people and just like kind of getting inside the mind of someone who built this. Like, I'm pretty sure it's a billion dollar company now. Like, it's, everybody knows Nike, Everybody knows this company in the world. And it was so fascinating to read kind of what he sacrificed to get where he wanted. And he literally started off as like a shoe salesman going to college meets, trying to sell these shoes to people. Like that's crazy. So I'll link it in the show Notes of this. I can't remember the name, but it is probably.
- [28:24]
B
Actually.
- [28:26]
A
I forgot the name, but it's. It's an autobiography of the guy who started Nike, so it's so good. If you don't like business books, I would recommend reading biographies of people who started businesses. Ali Webb, who started Dry Bar, also has one. Loved that she went through hell or high water to build that. Just really cool to see where people started who built these companies. So this is turning into more than this or that. Sorry.
- [28:50]
B
Cucumber salad or pickles?
- [28:53]
A
Oh, my God, both. You can't make me decide. Those are, like, two of my greatest loves. And besides, like, pickle used to be a cucumber, so I'm allowed to say both on that one. My hot girl pickles have been out of stock for. They're literally called hot girl pickles. They've been out of stock for, like, a month and a half. And they messaged me the other day saying when they would be back, and I'm like, like, chomping at the bit to order them. I miss them so much.
- [29:15]
B
Are they really that good?
- [29:17]
A
Oh, they're so good. They're so. They add, like, Mediterranean spices to them. I don't. Oh, they're so freaking good. I love them. And they're organic. It's really hard to find organic pickles. And they're like, the whole mini cucumber. It's not sliced. I. I don't know. I really like the whole, like. They're called, like, pickling cucumbers, where they're, like, smaller. Right. But it's like, the full one. And there's just something on snack plate where you, like, have a whole pickle. Very satisfying. Yeah.
- [29:43]
B
But the mini ones are so much easier to eat.
- [29:45]
A
Yeah, that was a good line, Mary. Definitely don't edit that out. Just kidding. Guys. The tea is all out of love.
- [29:53]
B
They are, though.
- [29:55]
A
No, they are. They're. They're addicting.
- [29:57]
B
I'm distracted because I really want to order them now. I love pickles.
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A
I'll send you one. It'll be your.
- [30:03]
B
My bonus.
- [30:03]
A
Your appreciation. A hot girl pickle box.
- [30:08]
B
I honestly, I would be thrilled. Okay, last one. Coffee or tea?
- [30:14]
A
Oh, man. Right now tea. Because I was getting really jittery from coffee, so I stopped, and we have, like, an espresso machine so my husband can pull decaf shots for me. So if I'm like, oh, I really need the taste of coffee, I can still get it. But Right now I've been making. I saw somebody on TikTok do this. It's Matcha, which, I don't know. I'm not team. Like, I'm obsessed with Matcha, but I'm also kind of on the team of like. Like, sometimes it tastes like dirt. And it's so good for you, though. Like, for me, I was like, oh, I want to drink Matcha because, like, it's just such sustained energy. But this girl on TikTok made a latte where it's Matcha and Earl Grey tea. Holy shit. Ooh. That's latte I've ever made. So I get these like two little, like a packet of Matcha, organic Matcha, and then a packet of Miss Earl Grey or something. It's from Pick tea. They have like these little packets of Earl Grey tea. It is like, the best one I've ever had. So I mix that and I make a latte with like a dash of date syrup or a dash of maple syrup. I don't know why the flavors work together. Like, when she made it, I was like, oh, my God, that's disgusting. But something about the Earl Grey tea, like, mellows out the Matcha and then doesn't taste like you're drinking dirt anymore, which is nice. So that's what I've been doing in the mornings. It's so yummy. But I used to drink coffee every single day. Like, I love it. I think the. The ones that have, like, mushroom spores in them helped a lot when I was jittery, but I was still like, super jittery, so. So, yeah, that's what we do. My husband worked at Starbucks for 10 years. He eventually made it to corporate, so he is now a coffee snob. So we always have some sort of decap, though, which is nice because it's not really fun being jittery when you're trying to film content or a podcast.
- [31:50]
B
Yeah, I know. I love staying with them because every morning I'm like, okay, Trevor, here's my order.
- [31:57]
A
That's what everyone does. Like, the second my mom comes over, the second my mother in law, they're like, oh, Trevor, like, could you make me a latte? Like, he just prepares it now. Like, I'll hear him, like, turn on the machine to get it ready. Right when they walk in the door, I just know he's gonna make them a latte. It's great though. He loves it. It's a lot of fun.
- [32:16]
B
Well, thank you so much for coming onto your own podcast.
- [32:21]
A
You're welcome. Okay. Mary, rapid fire question for you. What's your favorite part about working for your amazing older sister? I'm not that much older though, you guys. Just a little.
- [32:32]
B
Just a tiny bit.
- [32:33]
A
Just a tiny.
- [32:34]
B
I love the flexibility of being able to be with my kids and I love that I get to talk to you almost every day.
- [32:45]
A
And that was going to be on my list of least favorite things.
- [32:51]
B
Rude.
- [32:52]
A
Rude.
- [32:53]
B
And I just really love that since I've started working with you, it really has been like a build up thing. Right? So when there's a new task is very organic of adding things onto my plate of. You know, I didn't originally start with your podcast, but when you wanted to start a podcast, you asked me, hey, is this something you want to do or would you want me to hire someone else? Like, I just, I really appreciate that. And you don't really get that at another job, you know.
- [33:24]
A
And for everyone listening, I do pay her more based on adding more to her plate. I'm not like, you're my sister, just do everything. Like, like, I pay her, you know, like what? Other people in the industry have been doing that for a long time because to me, I'm like investing in her staying with me for a long time. Like, I always tell her, I'm like, I need like a year warning if you're gonna quit. Because, like, I love you and I understand, like, if you did ever have to quit, like, there would be probably some hard feelings for a little bit. Just because I love working with you. I'm just kidding. But like, I love that I can kind of pour into you and I can trust you. And the only thing I feel bad is when people are like, how did you find a va? I'm like, oh, I'm sorry, I just got lucky. She's my sister and she's like, we like, mellow each other out. I feel like, or I don't even know if mellow each other out. Like, we work well together and she can do the things like reminding me something that she's already reminded me seven times. And I can be like, God, stop reminding me. Even though I know she, like, knows I'm joking. Because, like, my brain will be like, oh, this task, I know it's gonna take five minutes, but I'm gonna put it off for two weeks and then freak out about it. And then she'll be like, like, you need to do this thing. It's due.
- [34:31]
B
They keep on asking for it.
- [34:35]
A
Oh, my gosh. Well, thank you so much for inviting me on my show. Let's let's do an outro. What's your outro, Mary? You gonna go on a hot girl walk?
- [34:44]
B
I didn't plan that. No, my. Actually, I'm not gonna go on a hot girl walk, but I am gonna fold some laundry cause my son is still sleeping.
- [34:54]
A
Wow, that's amazing. I know.
- [34:55]
B
What a treat.
- [34:56]
A
Okay, you guys, thank you so much for joining us. I'll end this one off. I am going to go get in another hot girl walk. I got three miles this morning. Got a few more. And I will see you guys on next week's podcast. Thank you so much for hanging out with me and my guests today. If you learned anything from our episode, I would love it if you could share it over on your Instagram stories and tag me, Abigail Pugh until next time. Love you, mean it.