Alec Baldwin Talks 30 Rock, Fatherhood, Trial

Summary

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The Adam Friedland Show

Episode: Alec Baldwin Talks 30 Rock, Fatherhood, Trial
Date: December 3, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this wide-ranging and candid episode, Adam Friedland and Nick Mullen sit down with legendary actor Alec Baldwin. The conversation flows from Hollywood money and investing habits, to Baldwin's childhood inspirations, comedic evolution, family life, reflections on his acting career—including Glengarry Glen Ross and 30 Rock—as well as recent personal challenges such as his New Mexico trial and public scrutiny. Baldwin is unfiltered and humorous, discussing everything from parenting to public life, juggling sincerity and wit alongside the hosts' signature irreverence.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Hollywood Money, Investments & Acting Fees

• Alec Baldwin discusses how actors handle their earnings—some like DiCaprio amass huge fees, but others invest wisely and become even wealthier ([00:01], [23:02]):
  • “I know people who made less money, but they invested that money... they're rich beyond belief.” (Baldwin, 23:45)
• Tom Cruise Anecdotes: Baldwin jokes about connections in Hollywood:
  • “Do I have Tom's number? Yeah, I have his sister's number.” (Baldwin, 00:30)

2. Baldwin’s Early Life & Movie Obsession

• Alec reminisces about staying up late watching classic films on TV with his father ([07:32]):
  • “My father would go, ‘Wow, Ball of Fire, that’s a great movie.’ I said, let's watch it. He’d say, no, no, you got to go to bed. ...Within 10 minutes he was asleep. And I would watch the whole movie till one o’clock in the morning.” (Baldwin, 07:35)
• He developed his skill for mimicry as a child ([09:07]):
  • “I was like 10 years old. I’d walk around the whole day going ‘Air? You want air? I’ll give you air!’” (Baldwin, 09:07)

3. Comedy, Generational Humor & Pop Culture

• The hosts and Baldwin riff on generational film and TV touchstones—Austin Powers, Zoolander, Borat ([10:01-11:09]).
  • “Our generation is Borat... my kids love Borat.” (Baldwin, 10:57)
• Discussion about musical theater (Les Mis, Sondheim, opera) and what constitutes "good" writing in song vs. dialogue ([11:41]):
  • “The idea of an opera... and everything is sung. ...I left to read the screen because I don’t speak German or whatever.” (Baldwin, 12:15)

4. Fatherhood, Family, and Energy

• Baldwin opens up humorously and sincerely about being a father of eight, including the surreal experience of having a grandchild and child the same age ([06:32]):
  • “You lift up a sofa cushion, there's always a baby under there.” (Baldwin, 06:34)
  • “My older daughter, Ireland, she's married, kind of, and has a baby. ...I have a baby and a grandchild that are the same age.” (Baldwin, 06:54)

5. Celebrity, Paparazzi, and Public Life

• Baldwin is frank about the changing nature of fame and privacy ([53:10]):
  • “That's when I got a little patient. Yeah, I did get—I mean, I took the bait more than once, but it’s not the bait. They’re fucking hitting your wife in the face with a camera almost.” (Baldwin, 53:15)
• He reflects on celebrity myth-making:
  • “The people who are the biggest stars—you know the least about them. ...They control them.” (Baldwin, 52:51)

6. Acting, Craft, and Collaborations

• Baldwin talks about the craft, importance of good directors, and his process ([43:17], [47:39]):
  • “I'd rather have a smaller role in a great film than a big role in a mediocre film.” (Baldwin, 43:23)
  • “If you make a film with a good director, you have an increased chance... When I work with Marty [Scorsese] or somebody like that, I'm like, you know, fuck, that's exciting.” (Baldwin, 44:07)
• On the Glengarry Glen Ross monologue and its impact ([39:37]):
  • “I really don’t care in terms of, like, I never really watch my own stuff and value it in any way.” (Baldwin, 39:44)
  • The monologue was written specifically for the film by Mamet “because he didn’t think these guys could really commit a crime—he needed to push them over the edge.” ([39:54])

7. Career Reflections: 30 Rock, SNL, and Comedy

• Baldwin credits Tina Fey and the writers for the comedic heights of 30 Rock ([49:42]):
  • “Tina was funny. I mean, they'd hand me scripts... and I'd read it… and I’d go, ‘Are you fucking kidding me? You want me to do this?’…They’d say, ‘It’s a big swing, but we know you can do it.’” (Baldwin, 50:54)
• Transition from drama to comedy:
  • “When I worked with them [on 30 Rock], I wasn’t funny. ...But I learned what was funny.” (Baldwin, 49:59)
• On SNL:
  • “You got to become one of the company and just pull your pants down and make an ass of yourself.” (Baldwin, 51:53)

8. The 'Rust' Incident & Public Perception ([55:44])

• Baldwin discusses the challenges of public perception following the 2021 New Mexico incident and subsequent trial ([56:05, 56:32]):
  • “I think... people don’t perceive public figures as real human beings, perhaps.” (Nick Mullen, 56:32)
  • “When my case imploded... not because of a jury or the cleverness of my lawyers, the judge ended the trial. ...Once they attempted to frame you and they couldn’t do it, it ended.” (Baldwin, 56:32-56:47)
  • On public blame: “It really upset me... that this thing could overshadow what is so beloved about you.” (Nick Mullen, 57:50)
  • “Do I feel overwhelmed and pained by the suffering and the tragedy of what happened? Yes. But do I feel responsible? No.” (Baldwin, 58:09)

9. The Consolation of Family and Love

• Baldwin gets earnest about how his family got him through hardship ([58:51]):
  • “Having my kids... they saved my life. ...I have a lot of love to give. And I have all these kids around me all day long, and... I was home all the time. And they saved me. ...They all make fun of me. ...I had a good month back there in the 80s...” (Baldwin, 58:51-59:59)
• Discussion expands to the meaning of love and connection, grief, and finding life's purpose through family and caring for others ([64:26-65:18]).

10. Artistic Ambitions & Legacy

• Baldwin mentions his latest project: a one-man play exploring post-Cold War America through a mysterious historical figure ([60:21]):
  • “I’m working on a play right now with a writer who I admire ...he’s gonna write a one-man show for me...a real historical survey of the United States post–Cold War.” (Baldwin, 60:21)
• Jokes about Boss Baby's cultural impact ([68:13]):
  • “Boss Baby is the perfect movie. I love Boss Baby. I think it’s great.” (Baldwin, 68:22)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote / Moment | |:-----------:|--------------|-------------------| | 06:34 | Alec Baldwin | “You lift up a sofa cushion, there's always a baby under there.”
| 09:07 | Alec Baldwin | “Air? You want air? I'll give you air!”
| 23:45 | Alec Baldwin | “People who've taken less money... they're rich beyond belief.”
| 39:44 | Alec Baldwin | “I really don’t care... I never really watch my own stuff and value it in any way.”
| 44:07 | Alec Baldwin | “When I work with Marty... I’m like, fuck, that’s exciting.”
| 50:54 | Alec Baldwin | “It's a big swing, but we know you can do it.”
| 53:15 | Alec Baldwin | “They’re fucking hitting your wife in the face with a camera almost.”
| 58:09 | Alec Baldwin | “Do I feel responsible? No.”
| 58:51 | Alec Baldwin | “Having my kids... they saved my life.”
| 68:22 | Alec Baldwin | “Boss Baby is the perfect movie. I love Boss Baby. I think it’s great.”

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Significant Timestamps & Segments

• Opening banter, Hollywood money: [00:01–02:34]
• Introduction of Alec Baldwin: [04:18]
• Baldwin on fatherhood, insomnia, childhood movies: [07:00–08:53]
• Comedic influences, generational pop culture: [10:01–12:06]
• Classical music & cultural taste: [12:04–13:10]
• Celebrity, politics, and Kissinger anecdote: [15:01–16:22]
• Glengarry Glen Ross monologue creation: [39:37–41:39]
• 30 Rock, SNL, transitioning to comedy: [49:42–52:15]
• Public life, paparazzi, and reputation: [53:10–55:03]
• Rust/set incident & reflection: [55:44–58:51]
• Meaning of love, family, legacy: [64:26–65:18]
• Boss Baby legacy, humor: [68:13–68:45]
• Closing banter: [69:01–End]

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Tone & Style

• Conversational and humorous: The dialogue is loose, self-deprecating, and often irreverently funny, especially in exchanges about parenting, celebrity status, sex, and bodily functions.
• Candid & introspective: Baldwin oscillates between joking and sincere reflection, particularly regarding his personal struggles and growth.
• Warmth mingled with cynicism: Hosts and guest alike are both admiring and gently mocking one another, with Nick and Adam keeping the conversation silly while respectfully probing for genuine moments.

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Summary

Alec Baldwin joins Adam Friedland and Nick Mullen for a wide-ranging, surprisingly intimate conversation, interweaving stories about classic Hollywood, the quirks of family life, the frustrations and joys of working in entertainment, generational comedy, the burdens of public scrutiny, and the redemptive power of love—often punctuated by absurdist humor. Insightful for fans of Baldwin's varied career, the episode balances lighthearted banter with honest explorations of personal hardship, legacy, and fatherhood.

Transcript

[Alec Baldwin]

I mean, I know people have a name who took the money they made. And it might not have been hundreds of millions of dollars in fees, like Leo or whatever, DiCaprio, but then there's people I know who made less money in fees, but they invested that money. Acting fees, your fee.

[Nick Mullen]

Oh, like sag. Oh, fees like you're paying on a movie? Yeah, yeah.

[Alec Baldwin]

You make a movie and you get paid. You know, you do Tom Cruise. You get $50 million.

[Adam Friedland]

You just say the words right, and

[Nick Mullen]

you get $50 million.

[Alec Baldwin]

No, no, no. He does a lot more than that for 50 million.

[Nick Mullen]

Do you have Tom Cruz?

[Alec Baldwin]

Do I have Tom's number? Yeah, I have his sister's number.

[Nick Mullen]

You have his sister?

[Alec Baldwin]

But if I call her.

[Nick Mullen]

Who's she?

[Alec Baldwin]

Who's she? Yeah, she's Tom's sister.

[Nick Mullen]

Wow.

[Adam Friedland]

Hello, and welcome back to the Adam Friedland Show. I'm Adam Friedland.

[Nick Mullen]

Guys. Big episode today, but before we start,

[Adam Friedland]

I'm going back on the road. Emerald City Comedy Club, Seattle, Washington. January 23rd. Oh, fuck, I did the dates wrong. Seattle, Washington. January 22nd, 23rd, 24th. I'm with Caleb Pittsburgh. The man that is. He's sick. Today I'm doing five shows. Get [e-mail] there's also a link in the description of this video. I'd like to thank, first off, as always, our members for supporting us here on YouTube.com you make this show possible. Members get access to all of our episodes early. And if you join at the second or third tiers, you get your name in the credits of this fine program. If you'd like to join the Friedland Family foundation, you can do so by clicking the join button here on YouTube or by clicking the link in the description below. And you can also support us on Patreon if you'd prefer. The link for that is also in the description. And by Friedland Family Foundation, I don't mean anyone from my family. You know who you are, guys. Merch is also available. TheAdamFriedland Show. Check it out. We have new shirt that says keep calm. Listen to the Adam Friedland Show.

[Nick Mullen]

It's gonna be. Do we. That's funny that Caleb put it in there.

[Adam Friedland]

I'm doing another one of those. Caleb writes it and I react for the first time.

[Nick Mullen]

It's a fun game that the people love.

[Adam Friedland]

My guest this week is the legendary American actor Alec Baldwin. Mr. Baldwin is known for many roles over the years, but perhaps his most iconic is his turn as Blake, the chastising associate sent to Motivate the poor salesman of. Oh, was that his name? Blake? Sent to motivate the salesman of Glengarry Clindross. His name was Blake.

[Nick Mullen]

Did you know that?

[Adam Friedland]

He didn't seem like a Blake. He was a made up character. They just gave him a last name.

[Alec Baldwin]

But I don't think anyone calls it.

[Adam Friedland]

They didn't put it in the play. There's no like dialogue. It's just like a block of text and then he leaves the his name he's known for his character. Put that coffee down. The chastising associate motivated whatever. It really is a career defining performance. One of the film's greatest monologues. The spark of drama that sets everything into motion. But there's too much cussing.

[Nick Mullen]

So here's what I would have said if I was him. This is good, Caleb.

[Adam Friedland]

I hope you're feeling better, my friend.

[Nick Mullen]

Hey, you piece of crap, put down your coffee and let's get to work. Enough lollygagging around here. We really need some work and we need to make some sales. So let's get this thing started and let's have a great week at work. Thanks, everyone. Thanks everyone for your time and if you need anything, I'm always available. I really appreciate everyone's time and I really, I can really see you.

[Adam Friedland]

You guys are trying your hardest.

[Nick Mullen]

Okay, so let's go do this, guys. Please enjoy my interview with Alec Baldwin, guys.

[Adam Friedland]

This is a great one. I'm very proud of it.

[Nick Mullen]

Ladies and gentlemen, American institution, Alec Baldwin.

[Alec Baldwin]

I can't believe it, folks.

[Adam Friedland]

I can't believe it fol.

[Nick Mullen]

I feel, I feel, I feel truly. We had a pre interview yesterday. This is where it all ends, my hot streak. I'm outclassed and outgunned right now. Within five seconds, I'm like, it's really him.

[Alec Baldwin]

That's so bizarre. You know when you walk around and you're just kind of allergic to that, you know, like some people see you on the street and say things to you.

[Nick Mullen]

Oh, you knew.

[Alec Baldwin]

You say, calm down. You know what I mean?

[Nick Mullen]

Like, no, but you got on the phone. You're like, freedland. Yeah, Friedland. Tell me something. Are you as dry in real life as you are on the television screen? I'm like, it's him. I feel like Liz Lemon right now. What an honor. Is charming. Thank you so much. I'm a massive fan. I think I've researched too much. I mean, you missed the tinfoil hat like pins on a. On a corkboard section. But we were going quite deep. And it goes. And the Corruption goes all the way to the top, mind you. I mean, this. This. This whole thing stinks. Obama, the Illuminati with that pyramid with the eyeball. You, You're. I mean, you look carefully at the dark, useful patsy. I would say. No, no. But it has been fun, kind of to just revisit your work and just remind myself, like, kind of anecdotally, the moments of my life that I interacted with it and, you know, and just kind of.

[Alec Baldwin]

How old are you, if I may ask?

[Nick Mullen]

I'm 38 years old.

[Alec Baldwin]

No. Okay. You look younger.

[Nick Mullen]

How familiar are you with this show right now?

[Alec Baldwin]

I watch your show because the people from my heart said it's always that thing where they're like, well, your podcast would do better if you did other podcasts.

[Nick Mullen]

This is a talk show.

[Alec Baldwin]

Yeah, a talk show. I'm sorry.

[Nick Mullen]

Real talk.

[Alec Baldwin]

Your podcast would do better if you did more talk shows.

[Nick Mullen]

Thank you.

[Alec Baldwin]

So I. They said to me that you were hot and your show was hot. Thanks. And your middle name is hot.

[Nick Mullen]

One of the hottest guys said that.

[Alec Baldwin]

And then so they said to me, come on. Normally I don't do a lot of that because of my. I have kids now. I have a lot of kids, so I'm kind of busy with other things. Right.

[Nick Mullen]

Yeah.

[Alec Baldwin]

When I leave here, I gotta go pick up my kids from school.

[Nick Mullen]

Oh, you have like seven of them.

[Alec Baldwin]

I have eight children. My oldest is. Well, my oldest. Yeah. Eight now. Well, you lift up a sofa cushion, there's always a baby under there. Every. In all my house.

[Nick Mullen]

Where do you get the energy?

[Alec Baldwin]

I don't, actually, because I'm half dead from exhaustion. I have my older daughter, Ireland. She's married, kind of, and has a baby. And then. And I have a baby and a grandchild that are the same age.

[Nick Mullen]

Really?

[Alec Baldwin]

Yeah.

[Nick Mullen]

That's some freaky shit right there. It's a little weed.

[Alec Baldwin]

Yeah, something.

[Nick Mullen]

Are you a weed weed guy?

[Alec Baldwin]

No, no. But I've taken some gummies from my. I have horrible insomnia. Do you sleep well?

[Nick Mullen]

I took a half of a 5 milligram and watched Fantastic Mr. Fox with my girlfriend. And I kept saying, this is so well done.

[Alec Baldwin]

My God, this documentary is amazing.

[Nick Mullen]

I've really enjoyed learning about your life. When you speak about film and the theatrical arts, it's. You kind of seem like you're in love.

[Alec Baldwin]

Parts of it. Yeah.

[Nick Mullen]

From what I understand, like, from a very young age. You grew up in Long island, right? Irish Catholic family.

[Alec Baldwin]

Yes.

[Nick Mullen]

Your dad let you stay up late and watch movies?

[Alec Baldwin]

Well, he Would. He'd fall asleep, he would come home. He always had some other. He was a schoolteacher. He always had some evening functions he did and jobs he did to supplement his income. And then he'd come home and my mother was like, out of it. So I'd say, who's gonna let dad in? Like he didn't have a key to his own house. You know what I mean? So I would wait for him to come and he'd go in the kitchen and make a sandwich and come in and have something to drink and he'd watch and he'd look at the New York Times used to have those really pithy little reviews of movies. So it would say, you know, ball of Fire. You know, Barbara Stanberg tells Gary Cooper where he can go. And my father would go, wow, Ball of Fire, that's a great movie. I said, let's watch it. He'd say, no, no, you got to go to bed. I go, let's watch. 10 minutes, this is my game. And within 10 minutes he was asleep. And I would watch the whole movie till one o' clock in the morning.

[Nick Mullen]

And what were those movies that you were like?

[Alec Baldwin]

What is. Are you a big movie freak?

[Nick Mullen]

Yeah.

[Alec Baldwin]

Five Graves to Cairo with Fat Chotone.

[Nick Mullen]

Okay, yeah.

[Alec Baldwin]

Hawkween was My Valley.

[Nick Mullen]

The best.

[Alec Baldwin]

Ball of Fire. Sorry, Ball of Fire. Ball of Fire, Comedy with Barbara Stanwick, who I love. The first movie I ever watched on TV all the way through till one in the Morning was, Sorry, Wrong Number with Barbara Stamwick and Burt Lancaster. Great thriller. One of the great thrillers of all time. Yeah, but.

[Nick Mullen]

Yeah, when I've, like, watched interviews with you, you're like an incredible mimic. And something I've, like, connected in my mind was like, I imagine, like a kid watching TV and then you kind of doing the voices. Did you feel like you were transcending Long Island?

[Alec Baldwin]

Well, we'd be there watching a movie and someone would come on. I remember watching movies. For those of you here who are a little older, when you watch movies back then, I mean, you had like an ayurvedic sense of focus. You know, you would.

[Nick Mullen]

They were live, right?

[Alec Baldwin]

Well, yeah. Well, you'd watch the movie and there was no button to press. There was no vhs, no vcr, no rewind. You watch and you got locked in. You, like, watched and heard everything. So when James Cagney, you would talk about impersonating people, he would say lines, you'd walk away. An hour later, the guy's in the trunk. The guy says, you know, open up. Open Up. I can't breathe. I need some air. And Cagney's like, air? You want air? I'll give you air. Boom, boom, boom. And he shoots the trunk of the car. Now I'd walk around. I was like 10 years old. I'd walk around the whole day going, air. You want air? I'll give you a. And you just. These lived in your mind all the time.

[Nick Mullen]

I was an Austin Powers kid.

[Alec Baldwin]

You were?

[Nick Mullen]

Yeah, it was pretty cool. Everyone at school thought it was cool. Yeah.

[Alec Baldwin]

You like Mike Myers? Have you followed his whole career?

[Nick Mullen]

Yeah. I mean, that's kind of my age.

[Alec Baldwin]

Well, beyond Austin Powers. Yeah.

[Nick Mullen]

The Love Guru. Yeah.

[Alec Baldwin]

Shrek remakes and Shrek sequels. More Shrek.

[Nick Mullen]

Oh, really? I thought that was the real Shrek. Those Mike Myers.

[Alec Baldwin]

Mike Myers does. Yeah. But those Austin Powers movies. What was the Scottish guy's name? The Scottish Fat Bastard.

[Nick Mullen]

Thank you.

[Alec Baldwin]

He did all that? Yeah. Fat Bastard.

[Nick Mullen]

This is our age demo. It was. It was pretty cool. Do you remember how funny that was for us when he had to pee for a long time after he got unfrozen? That was a real moment. I remember taking my parents to that. My mom was like, what? Like, I don't want to go see the second one. Like, I was like. She was like, it's really a disgusting.

[Alec Baldwin]

My kids love that. They love Zoolander.

[Nick Mullen]

Yeah.

[Alec Baldwin]

Yeah. They love anything that's nasty.

[Nick Mullen]

Stiller is really funny. I mean, I liked growing up.

[Alec Baldwin]

Our.

[Nick Mullen]

Our generation is Borat. I feel like.

[Alec Baldwin]

You do. My kids love Borat. Yeah, yeah, they do. They're like, they want to see Borat. They want to see. You know, they want to see the guy's ass on his face. The guy naked.

[Nick Mullen]

Oh, the fat guy.

[Alec Baldwin]

Yeah, yeah. The fat guy puts his ass on his face. I'm sorry. I apologize to you. I love. You know what I love? I love Sacha, Baron Cohen and Sweeney Todd when they do the duel, the shaving duel, where they both shave the guy.

[Nick Mullen]

I haven't seen it, but I saw him. He did. In Les Mis Sachet.

[Alec Baldwin]

Baron Cohen does Les Mis.

[Nick Mullen]

He does Master of the House.

[Alec Baldwin]

He does.

[Nick Mullen]

Yeah, yeah.

[Alec Baldwin]

No, I've never seen that. You've never seen Les Mis anniversary issue of the show?

[Nick Mullen]

I think it was a movie with a. Yeah. Anne Hathaway. She's. She plays like a prostitute.

[Alec Baldwin]

He does Master of the House. I didn't know that.

[Nick Mullen]

Is it bullshit if it's no talking if it's only songs? That's what me and my girlfriend had an argument about. I was like, keep Watching. She's like. There's not. They're not doing sentences. It's just songs.

[Alec Baldwin]

Well, you got to think about, like, people who wrote opera, how they tried to keep it interesting, you know, you're not gonna sit there and go, I am hungry. I want to call this food store to deliver my food.

[Nick Mullen]

Yeah, like everything.

[Alec Baldwin]

Well, everything that's kind of quotidian.

[Nick Mullen]

That guy's Sondheim does that, right? It's like. Then I went to the. It's kind of. It doesn't have to be a song.

[Alec Baldwin]

He does it slightly better than.

[Nick Mullen]

Just say it, dude.

[Alec Baldwin]

But I'm saying the idea of an opera, which I attend. The opera hit now and then, and everything is sung. And I. I left to read the screen because I don't speak German or whatever. And you wonder how they have a

[Nick Mullen]

lot of good, good thoughts.

[Alec Baldwin]

Got some good lines.

[Nick Mullen]

He has some great killer lines. Yeah.

[Alec Baldwin]

Great jokes.

[Nick Mullen]

If I was a German, non Jew person and they were playing that, it's very emotional. You could sell a fascism with that music.

[Alec Baldwin]

I do get a little nervous when I put on Vogue.

[Nick Mullen]

I must. No, it's fine. You can listen.

[Alec Baldwin]

I have your permission.

[Nick Mullen]

Yeah. I give you the pat. It's so beautiful. Tannhauser.

[Alec Baldwin]

Yeah.

[Nick Mullen]

You're a big class.

[Alec Baldwin]

Is my favorite.

[Nick Mullen]

You're.

[Alec Baldwin]

You're.

[Nick Mullen]

That's your thing. Classical.

[Alec Baldwin]

I. Yeah, I'm a big nut. I was in la and I was driving around. I was, you know, living out there for a while, going back and forth for 30 years. I had a home in both places. And I'm in the car and I put on the local classical station, and I just. I. I never turned back. All I listened to now is pretty much classical.

[Nick Mullen]

Do you remember what was playing?

[Alec Baldwin]

Yes.

[Nick Mullen]

Wagner. No, Richard Wagner on the show recently? I was like, no. I said, yeah.

[Alec Baldwin]

How was that?

[Nick Mullen]

I'm afraid to release it. I don't think I've ever met a racist. I think that was the first racist I've met.

[Alec Baldwin]

She. Was she racist on your show?

[Nick Mullen]

Oh, my God. I didn't know how to interact with it because it was kind of. A woman was yelling at me, and I really hate when that happened. She was yelling at you? Yeah, yeah. I was trying to. Just definitely I was trying to. I think I said to her, I'm nice. Stop yelling.

[Alec Baldwin]

Whenever women yell, I say the same thing, which is my line always. Which was, they're so bad. Well, a friend of mine taught me this, which was, women yell at you. No offense. But when women yell at you, just Say the line. I don't understand.

[Nick Mullen]

Really?

[Alec Baldwin]

And they just keep saying. And then they leave. They'll say something to you, and you go, I don't understand.

[Nick Mullen]

They don't like it when you ask questions about what they mean. They really don't like that either.

[Alec Baldwin]

See, I don't understand. It'll be gone in five minutes.

[Nick Mullen]

They don't like it. I bet you, like, Zoron's girl is probably mad at him for working too long for. Because he was. Because he was campaigning too much.

[Alec Baldwin]

Yes.

[Nick Mullen]

You know, I think it's.

[Alec Baldwin]

Excited about that. Are you excited about where the city is headed, the direction we're headed?

[Nick Mullen]

I think he's pretty smart guy. Yeah, I met him. I met him.

[Alec Baldwin]

I think he'd be. Done the show.

[Nick Mullen]

He's straight. No, not yet, but he. It was really, you know, in 92. Like, my parents were really excited about Clinton. Right. And they had, like, don't stop thinking about tomorrow, the Fleetwood Mac. And then it kind of dawned on me that that was the first boomer, right. That was, like, in national politics. And when I met him, he. We just both like soccer and hip hop, and we're just the lamest guys, me and Zoho. Yeah, we were just.

[Alec Baldwin]

Where'd you meet him?

[Nick Mullen]

I met him in Queens.

[Alec Baldwin]

You mean Mamdani.

[Nick Mullen]

And it's kind of representation. It's kind of Wakanda for me. It's like we're both like. You know what I mean? Like, he's a millennial. He's like. He was uniquely normal.

[Alec Baldwin]

Well, the strangest introduction I ever had was I was at the Kennedy Center Honors years ago. I used to go pretty frequently and did a couple shows for Richard Wagner. For Wagner getting the award? Yeah, Wagner. Wagner's daughter got the award. She accepted. The thing was that we were there, and my friend who passed away, she was a big lobbyist in Washington, Liz Robbins. And we're going through the luncheon. There's like, four different events that you can go to if you're there for the weekend. So I go down there for the whole weekend that I'm there at this event. And you're saying hi to Richard Gephardt, and you're saying hi to this person, and you're saying hi to this congressman or whatever, and this woman senator or whatever. And as I don't see over here. And Liz goes. And, you know, Secretary Kissinger. And I went, oh, wow. And Henry Kissinger's in front of me, hands up. And right prior to that, like, within a day or Two. His mother had died. His mother lived up in Harlem in, like, I think, a little Jewish section of uptown. And she was a big community activist. She was very, very well loved there. And I turned to him and I'm going, here's this guy who is essentially, you know, a war criminal.

[Nick Mullen]

Yeah. He caught a lot of people.

[Alec Baldwin]

He's in front of me, and he's in front of me, and I go, I'm sorry about your mother. And he leans in and hugs me. He goes, that's very nice of you.

[Nick Mullen]

And he was so. He was like a ball.

[Alec Baldwin]

So thank you so much for seeing this. I thought to myself, I'm comforting Henry Kissinger.

[Nick Mullen]

Was he, like, five? Two. But, like, rotund.

[Alec Baldwin]

He was a little bit of a fire.

[Nick Mullen]

Ton of.

[Alec Baldwin]

You know, that he got more ass. But that's like.

[Adam Friedland]

That.

[Alec Baldwin]

That's like a Nixon with the tapes.

[Nick Mullen]

Do you like the Nixon tapes?

[Alec Baldwin]

Do I like the Nixon tapes?

[Nick Mullen]

I love.

[Alec Baldwin]

I mean, like, Nixon.

[Adam Friedland]

I think the writing.

[Nick Mullen]

I think, okay, from a dramatic arts perspective, I think this. The writing on Nixon was the best writing in terms of, like, this guy

[Alec Baldwin]

is just a fucking Oliver Stone's movie.

[Adam Friedland]

No, I'm just saying.

[Nick Mullen]

No, the guy. Richard Nixon, like, the best presence. Lincoln, right? He's like the best. He was. He did a good job, right? He saved the union. Brother, come on, stop. But anyway, Nixon was just this loser. And every time he showed up anywhere, they'd be like, oh, it's Richard Nixon. You know, the thing about Pat, right?

[Alec Baldwin]

What about her?

[Nick Mullen]

When he was trying to, like, just smell date her, she was like, no, you're fucking Richard Nixon. I'm not gonna date you.

[Alec Baldwin]

And he drove them on the date,

[Nick Mullen]

and then he would chaperone her for, like, 18 months.

[Alec Baldwin]

But you see Oliver's movie about Nixon, right? With the other guy with it. You see Oliver's movie about Nixon and what's the name? Mao says that to Kissinger. The interpreter says, the chairman wants to know how a fat man like you can have so many girlfriends.

[Nick Mullen]

Well, he's paying for it, probably.

[Alec Baldwin]

No, no, no.

[Nick Mullen]

How many.

[Alec Baldwin]

How many women love power?

[Nick Mullen]

How many girls you got in your lifetime? Probably over a thousand.

[Alec Baldwin]

How many women know that's very. You're a movie star. No, I was busy man.

[Nick Mullen]

You're a busy man.

[Alec Baldwin]

I look at the one. I got 20 minutes.

[Nick Mullen]

No, you don't have 20 minutes.

[Alec Baldwin]

No, no, no. I'd say, oh, the woman.

[Nick Mullen]

You got more time, right? Your kid can walk home. In your memoir, you talk about when you're a young Actor living in New York City. You talk about that? You were into prank calls, you and your roommate tutorial, right?

[Alec Baldwin]

My roommate. I used to do this with my ex girlfriend.

[Nick Mullen]

Did you?

[Alec Baldwin]

Driving in from Long island on Sunday nights. We'd be driving on the LIE late at night, and we would leave messages on, like, corporate voicemails. So you'd call up and it would say, to reach human resources, press 26. And then you'd press 26. And the voice would come on and go, hi, it's Steve Regan. And they messed me up at the tone. And I'd get on and I go, oh, my God, Steve, last night was so magical. You were amazing. You left your watch on the night table.

[Nick Mullen]

So whatever the gag was. Yeah. Could you prank call my father? Here's my pitch. You prank call him as Donald Trump and you say, your son is in big trouble with the administration.

[Alec Baldwin]

I should be so. Well, you know what? I can't do these voices. But you say you're Trump, and then right away your father will know. What stupid Will he?

[Adam Friedland]

My dad won't know.

[Nick Mullen]

He's going to think that I'm going to Gitmo and it's going to be so funny.

[Alec Baldwin]

But I think I should say, like, somebody should say. Not you, of course. Somebody should say, hold the line for Director Patel.

[Nick Mullen]

Oh, yeah.

[Alec Baldwin]

Cassidy wouldn't really know who that was.

[Nick Mullen]

My dad would have some words for Trump. I think it's gonna be funny, but

[Alec Baldwin]

let's finish the interview first. You wanna do it now?

[Nick Mullen]

Yeah, it'd be hilarious. This is gonna be a moment of, like, talking.

[Alec Baldwin]

It's more propository than I thought.

[Nick Mullen]

I don't have a phone on me. I mean, well, yes, this is Donald Trump. I have your son.

[Alec Baldwin]

No, I'm not gonna say I'm Donald Trump.

[Nick Mullen]

No, just say. It's gonna be because my dad say I'm the president.

[Alec Baldwin]

Yeah, he hates Trump, but if I say I'm Trump, that's going to give it away, that it's bullshit. What's his name?

[Nick Mullen]

Max.

[Alec Baldwin]

Max? Yeah.

[Nick Mullen]

Max Friedland. He's a. He's a great guy.

[Alec Baldwin]

Max Wagner is your fellow.

[Nick Mullen]

No, he's not. Come on, dude. We're on the other side. We're in the hiding side.

[Alec Baldwin]

Okay. Hold the line for the President of the United States, please. One moment.

[Adam Friedland]

Dad, I think it's for you.

[Nick Mullen]

Hello?

[Alec Baldwin]

Hold the line for the President of the United States, please. Hold the line for the President of the United States. Is this Max? Max, are you there? Max? I got a file in front of me that says you're in Vegas. Is that where you are, Max?

[Nick Mullen]

Vegas?

[Alec Baldwin]

Who am I talking to? You're talking to the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump. And I want you to know your son. I know who you are. Your son is a mess, okay? We gotta get him out of the country. We're sending him down to Uruguay. Uruguay? We're gonna teach communications at the Uruguayan University of Communications. Okay, but I want you to talk to him really quickly. He's only gonna be in the country for another three or four hours. Here he is, Max. Thank you. Hold on. Say hello to your father.

[Nick Mullen]

Max, I'm in big trouble with the administration. I know.

[Alec Baldwin]

He's a Brit. He's a Brit.

[Nick Mullen]

He's South Africa. Yeah, we're Capetonian Jews, dad. I'll talk to you later.

[Alec Baldwin]

You've been South African. They got it right the first time, okay?

[Nick Mullen]

They knew what they were doing.

[Alec Baldwin]

Idiot.

[Nick Mullen]

You've been pranked by the best. Baldwin, who is still the best? Donald Trump.

[Adam Friedland]

Oh.

[Nick Mullen]

You hear that? Are you. You're coming for that James Pyrrhic victory? Yeah.

[Adam Friedland]

Okay.

[Nick Mullen]

I love you, Dad. I love you, dad. Dad, you say, I love you back? Why didn't you say, I love you back? I said, I love you back. Oh, okay. Thanks a lot. Why are you.

[Alec Baldwin]

Max.

[Nick Mullen]

He's really turned so nice recently.

[Alec Baldwin]

Yes.

[Nick Mullen]

I can't handle it.

[Alec Baldwin]

Was he not like that when you were young?

[Nick Mullen]

No. Well, it's not.

[Alec Baldwin]

Are you bitter and cynical because of the way he treated you?

[Adam Friedland]

No. No, He's.

[Nick Mullen]

He's my best friend. He made me tough because we'd sit there arguing, but it would always be, like, a compliment, but it would be a criticism. The other day, he's like, just be yourself. I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about?

[Alec Baldwin]

Who's that?

[Adam Friedland]

Myself.

[Alec Baldwin]

Who's. How many kids in your family?

[Nick Mullen]

Two. I'm the older one.

[Alec Baldwin]

And who's the other one?

[Nick Mullen]

Zoe. We have the same birthday.

[Alec Baldwin]

That's the one that answered the phone.

[Nick Mullen]

Yeah. Yeah, she was in on it. She was. Can I ask you if I could take your phone and could I do a prank call on Robert De Niro, perhaps?

[Alec Baldwin]

I don't have anybody here who would have.

[Nick Mullen]

What about President Clinton? He's a real magic guy.

[Alec Baldwin]

Hillary Clinton? I mean, Chelsea Clinton.

[Nick Mullen]

No, no. Yeah.

[Alec Baldwin]

If I. If I gave your number and you prank called Chelsea Clinton, I would be out of this country in about an hour.

[Nick Mullen]

I'm telling you, I'm not going to mess anything up for you. Robert De Niro. Is going to think this is really funny.

[Alec Baldwin]

De Niro's a very. No nonsense guy. He's very busy during the day.

[Nick Mullen]

Is he? He's like that in real life.

[Alec Baldwin]

He's opening restaurants and hotels around the world and he's a very successful businessman. No, Boo.

[Nick Mullen]

Is that annoying? He's like weird.

[Alec Baldwin]

No, Boo.

[Nick Mullen]

No. You guys like dress up in costumes and pretend to be other people and then he's like a serious businessman.

[Alec Baldwin]

He's loaded with money.

[Nick Mullen]

Yeah, yeah, but it's like you don't have to. You're fucking robbing money.

[Alec Baldwin]

But while you make. I mean, I know people will have a name who are like, maybe you've heard of them, Obama, Wagner. Who haven't. Who took the money they made. And it might not have been hundreds of millions of dollars in fees, like Leo or, you know, whatever.

[Nick Mullen]

Leo who?

[Alec Baldwin]

DiCaprio. But these guys make a lot of money in fees. But then there's people I know who made less money in fees, but they invested that money.

[Nick Mullen]

What do you mean fees?

[Alec Baldwin]

Like acting fees? Your feet.

[Nick Mullen]

Oh, like sag? Yeah, yeah.

[Alec Baldwin]

Well, yeah.

[Nick Mullen]

Oh, fees. Like you're.

[Alec Baldwin]

You're paid on a movie? Yeah, yeah. You make a movie and you get paid. You know, you do Tom Cruise. You get $50 million to do his job.

[Nick Mullen]

Right?

[Alec Baldwin]

Well, but I'm saying, is that the.

[Nick Mullen]

You just say the words, right, and you get $50 billion.

[Alec Baldwin]

No, no, no. He does a lot more than that for 50 million.

[Nick Mullen]

Do you have. Do you have Tom Cruise? I'm just a huge fan.

[Alec Baldwin]

Tom's number?

[Nick Mullen]

Yeah.

[Alec Baldwin]

I have a sister's number.

[Nick Mullen]

You have a sister?

[Alec Baldwin]

But if I call her.

[Nick Mullen]

Who's she?

[Alec Baldwin]

Who's she? Yeah, she's Tom's sister.

[Nick Mullen]

Wow.

[Alec Baldwin]

She runs a lot of his business.

[Nick Mullen]

He's one of. He's one of my favorites.

[Alec Baldwin]

But I'm saying is that those people I know, people who've taken less money, they haven't made as much money, but they invested it so wisely. They're rich beyond belief.

[Nick Mullen]

Robert De Niro.

[Alec Baldwin]

If I told you some of them, you'd die. And De Niro is the same way. He invests in businesses.

[Nick Mullen]

Who has the most money, was the

[Alec Baldwin]

most money of anybody I've ever met in my life. I have to say, one of the Beatles would probably be the most wealthy people.

[Nick Mullen]

Macca. Can we call Macca?

[Alec Baldwin]

Oh, no, no.

[Nick Mullen]

Why? You had a falling out with Macca?

[Alec Baldwin]

No, no, no. I just. I mean, for me, I kind of went underground for a while when I had my issue in New Mexico that I had to deal with.

[Nick Mullen]

I mean, Maca. He wrote him Maca. Well, we're friends. I mean, we have a lot of music guys here. This guy over here, Jake, is really close.

[Alec Baldwin]

You play? You play. Are you really?

[Nick Mullen]

He jams.

[Alec Baldwin]

Where is he?

[Nick Mullen]

Yeah.

[Alec Baldwin]

You're buddies with him?

[Nick Mullen]

Big time.

[Alec Baldwin]

Are you being serious?

[Nick Mullen]

I mean, he is. He's a. He's the best. He's like my favorite. Him and Bob Dylan. You. You missed all that because you were listening to, like, violins.

[Alec Baldwin]

I was listening to. Yeah, to Strauss.

[Nick Mullen]

You're listening to Strauss?

[Alec Baldwin]

Strauss now, do you know. Do you like Bob Dylan?

[Nick Mullen]

Oh, yeah, he's the best.

[Alec Baldwin]

What do you love about Bob Dylan?

[Nick Mullen]

He's.

[Alec Baldwin]

I go in and out on Bob.

[Nick Mullen]

Oh. I mean, it's every era for different periods of your life. I went heavy Christian after a terrible breakup, and I was like. I did the. Then I realized it. Yeah.

[Adam Friedland]

Yeah.

[Nick Mullen]

I was like, it's so nice.

[Alec Baldwin]

What brand of Christianity?

[Nick Mullen]

The Bob Dylan Christian? Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's like a.

[Alec Baldwin]

You were a Bob Dylan Christian?

[Nick Mullen]

Well, he had three Christian albums. And I was like, what? Maybe God loves you, right? And I was like, we didn't have that for Jews. Our God is like, Trump. He's like, if you don't respect me, I'm gonna smite you. If you make a golden calf, like, I'm gonna kill all of you. He's, like, very insecure. He's like a bitch, but, like, it's not real. None of this is real. But, like, I'm like, oh, it's so nice that. The Jesus thing, that God loves you so much, he'll let your son die. But then I snapped out of it.

[Alec Baldwin]

How would you define Judaism? What's your definition of what makes you Judaism? What's the definition? I have a friend of mine that gave me a great definition of that.

[Nick Mullen]

You do the thing. You say you do the thing, and it's boring. But, like, your grandpa was bored, too, so. But you feel like you're not gonna.

[Alec Baldwin]

It's your turn to be bored.

[Nick Mullen]

Yeah, it's kind of nice. It's gibberish. It's like spells. I don't know, but it's like you don't want to be the one that drops the ball.

[Alec Baldwin]

You raised. Very observant.

[Nick Mullen]

I mean, if I do it, I. I know all the. Like, all the words.

[Alec Baldwin]

You know the words? I did.

[Nick Mullen]

Yeah. I did Full parsha Haftorah. And I led.

[Alec Baldwin]

You went to. You went to Hebrew school.

[Nick Mullen]

We.

[Adam Friedland]

I. I didn't.

[Nick Mullen]

I Went to. I was bar mitzvahed Orthodox. Because it was free, that's why. Yeah, yeah, it was free to go there. But I don't know, I think it's kind of. It's just like. That's kind of nice. The boredom is kind of. It doesn't make sense. You don't know what they're saying. But your grandpa did make sense to him, and that's kind of why. You know what I mean?

[Alec Baldwin]

Well, no, I grew up Catholic.

[Nick Mullen]

Well, we're cousins.

[Alec Baldwin]

They spoke Latin back then, so it was also gibberish. But.

[Nick Mullen]

Well, yeah, we both, like, like, hate ourselves and we both think that life is just agony. We're cousins. I mean, all of my friends are either Catholic or Jewish or black.

[Alec Baldwin]

Catholic Catholicism, to me is about redemption.

[Nick Mullen]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Alec Baldwin]

You're like. You, like. No matter how bad you are, you have to see that there's a chance they'll be redeemed for what they did.

[Nick Mullen]

Oh, yeah. I stopped the Christian thing when I realized that hell is the meanest thing ever. Can you imagine forever? Why is it. And if you're a baby and you haven't been baptized, what about hell is

[Alec Baldwin]

something that is just your hell, like a thing you hate, like your own personal.

[Nick Mullen]

I mean, it's sad. Yeah. I think that it's just sad that people die. Wow, this is getting pretty. It's just sad that you have, you know, you're alive and then.

[Alec Baldwin]

Are you afraid to die?

[Nick Mullen]

It's the scariest thing ever. I don't understand. People are like, public speaking is my biggest fear. I was like, what about fucking dying?

[Alec Baldwin]

Exactly.

[Adam Friedland]

Forever.

[Alec Baldwin]

What about things being thrown out of a plane?

[Nick Mullen]

What about fucking by a narcotics? Yeah, yeah.

[Alec Baldwin]

Ever see those movies where they do that when they take the enemy and they bind him up and then they throw him out of the plane?

[Nick Mullen]

No.

[Alec Baldwin]

You ever see that, like, in a drug movie?

[Nick Mullen]

Oh, like.

[Alec Baldwin]

Like, they take a guy, they just don't like Pedro when they throw him out of the park.

[Nick Mullen]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Like, if they're criminals, like.

[Alec Baldwin]

Or they're just the enemy. Yeah, yeah.

[Nick Mullen]

But those guys are ready to die. You know, they're like, you know, they're

[Adam Friedland]

like, he's my die.

[Nick Mullen]

You know, like, it was that. Good acting. Okay, can we talk?

[Alec Baldwin]

Realize, Petro, you might be killed.

[Nick Mullen]

Can we talk a little bit about your. I've been going back through your filmography and your performances. It's just like, when you appear on a screen, it's like, oh, it's. It's my pal. It's like my old pal.

[Adam Friedland]

And this is going to be great.

[Nick Mullen]

I mean, you could make a real turd watchable. Pearl harbor, you're like. You make your parts watchable, and that's one of the shittiest movies of all time. I mean, I'm serious. Yeah. And it's just like, I. I watched Hunt for Red October with my dad. This is, like a hunky leading man back then.

[Alec Baldwin]

Yeah.

[Nick Mullen]

From. From, like, learning about what transpired afterwards. It wasn't the perception I had of you. I feel like the industry has been, like, a frustration, you know, like. Especially when it came to, like, reprising your role as Jack Ryan.

[Alec Baldwin]

Well, they wanted me to sign up with, like, a blank contract when we start, when we finish, like. Like, you only do this, and you never do anything else. And I had an opportunity, as I wrote in my memoir, to do the Streetcar on Broadway, which was a very. That was, like, the opportunity for an actor. That was it. I would never have that opportunity again, ever.

[Nick Mullen]

My perception was that they. They kind of, like, promised you.

[Alec Baldwin]

And they threw me out of the plane.

[Nick Mullen]

Yeah, Yeah. I mean, it's not bad to get replaced by the coolest guy of all time, right? Imagine Ryan Dennehy playing Jack. Jack Ryan.

[Alec Baldwin]

It's.

[Nick Mullen]

It's Han Solo. I mean, when I read about that, I was like, it's just so cynical. Like, it's a. You're like an artist. Right. And when you talk about performing and acting, you get so passionate about it. I want to talk about.

[Alec Baldwin]

Well, you realize back then, when I lived what was 89, 90. The movie came out in 90. And then in the ensuing couple years, the early 90s, I learned that you just really can't rely on anybody, what they say there. So I just. Whenever they'd say, blah, blah, blah, to them, go, oh, that's great. I'm never counting on any of it happening. It's very tough.

[Nick Mullen]

You just have to have monsters that do it for you. I have a whole team of ghouls.

[Alec Baldwin]

So what was the genesis of this meeting? Were you, like, Rupert Pupkin in the basement and your mother's yelling down the stairs?

[Nick Mullen]

It is a joke. It's a joke that became a real thing. Yeah. Yeah.

[Alec Baldwin]

So was it a joke? And your mom goes, please. It's so annoying.

[Nick Mullen]

This. No, I was being made fun of. No, no. Yeah. I was on a podcast that was for, like, I mean, whatever, guys. I mean, just idiots. He didn't smile. And now I've.

[Alec Baldwin]

Okay.

[Nick Mullen]

I was on a podcast for, like, Ugly Men. Right.

[Alec Baldwin]

Oh, for ugly men.

[Nick Mullen]

Yeah. Yeah. Not mentally, just like the worst, you know, and it was like a cult. Sad. So it became very successful. And then one of the.

[Alec Baldwin]

What was it called?

[Nick Mullen]

It was called Cumtown. We tried.

[Adam Friedland]

They.

[Nick Mullen]

Yeah. Anyway, it got successful. It's very. I don't know, I was just there pretty much. But the. You know, the one of the guys left and then the other guy's idea was to make, like, by far the least popular nebbish y. Kind of like the glasses, you know, allergies.

[Alec Baldwin]

We all played a role on the show. What's it called? Cumtown.

[Adam Friedland]

Yeah.

[Alec Baldwin]

So then on that show, were you like a leading man compared to them?

[Nick Mullen]

No, no, absolutely.

[Alec Baldwin]

Like Quasitmodo.

[Nick Mullen]

So sometimes I wasn't even. I was barely even there. But, yeah, I think we went a little bit manic and publicly proclaimed we were gonna make a television show. We didn't know what cameras or anything. And then we recreated the Dick Cavett shows up.

[Alec Baldwin]

I have an image of you in a set like this in your basement and your mother, whatever. And you're sitting there and there's a line you say. And that line you like, sitting there and you go, I'll show them.

[Nick Mullen]

Well, no, I mean, was that it? Not like a scary. I'm not a scary guy like that.

[Alec Baldwin]

No, no, but I think it was

[Nick Mullen]

just real guests were coming. And then I decided for the first time in my life at 35 to try. And then I've. I've kind of seen myself progress and it's given me a sense of self worth. And it feels like I. It feels like I'm not like, fast forwarding to being dead. And so it's just overwork. Why are you. Are you gonna punch me?

[Alec Baldwin]

No, I'm gonna fucking. I'll fuck you up.

[Nick Mullen]

I'm gonna fuck you up, dude.

[Adam Friedland]

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[Nick Mullen]

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[Adam Friedland]

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[Nick Mullen]

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[Nick Mullen]

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[Adam Friedland]

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[Nick Mullen]

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[Nick Mullen]

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[Adam Friedland]

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[Nick Mullen]

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[Nick Mullen]

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[Nick Mullen]

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[Nick Mullen]

I've been like, I watched the monologue from Glengarry Glen Ross. I have, like, so many friends that went to the revival that were like, that was fucking bullshit. They didn't have put that coffee down. Nope. It was like. Because that was only for the film. Did Mamet write that for you?

[Alec Baldwin]

Yes. Not for me. He wrote it for the film.

[Nick Mullen]

And. And so, like, do you conceive of that as like a moment for you?

[Alec Baldwin]

I really don't care in terms of like, I never really watch my own stuff and value it in any way.

[Nick Mullen]

It's the best acting, I mean.

[Alec Baldwin]

Well, no, no, but I'm saying that I called Matt, but I go, you won the Pulitzer Prize.

[Nick Mullen]

Yeah.

[Alec Baldwin]

For the play. Why did you feel it necessary to add something to it? You won the Pulitzer. He said, I never believed these guys were criminals. I never believed they could commit a crime. They didn't have a criminal nature. So I needed another ratchet. I needed another turn of the screw to make them commit a crime. And you're gonna come in, you're gonna tell them, if you don't get this done tonight, it's over.

[Adam Friedland]

Yeah.

[Alec Baldwin]

So he brought me in to do that and it was really tough. Cause I admired all of them. And I had to piss in their face all day for three days.

[Nick Mullen]

Did they. Did it feel real?

[Alec Baldwin]

I thought Ed Harris was gonna punch me in the face.

[Adam Friedland]

Really?

[Nick Mullen]

Because that's what I imagine in that room, you're with a murderer's row, right?

[Alec Baldwin]

Yeah.

[Nick Mullen]

Do you like. Is there a competitive aspect of it? Is it like you don't want to get acted off the screen? Like, did you bring it really? Because, like, fucking Pacino and Jack Lemmon

[Alec Baldwin]

were like the Jack I admire. Yeah, well, you just really, you. I mean, everything you do, you've got to have some motivation. So it's like, I'm there with Foley. I've said this a million times. I'm there with Foley, who's the director. And I said, oh, this is tough, man. I mean, I'm just so mean to them. And Foley said to me, who just died recently, he said, it's like that scene in Patton where he slaps the soldier in the tent where he has. Call yourself a soldier, shell shark. And he goes, this scene is. You call yourself a salesman. He said, these guys, you're doing it for their own good. You're doing it to help them. You're helping them. I remember sitting there, I was like Popeye after he ate the spinach. You know what I mean? I remember sitting there going, let's fucking go. And I'm like, you know, I got out of the chair and I. Yeah. And we were ready to kill.

[Nick Mullen]

Did they. Did they give you your flowers? Was Pacino like, why. You were great. You were great.

[Alec Baldwin]

No, he wasn't in the scene.

[Nick Mullen]

No, no, he wasn't in the scene.

[Alec Baldwin]

That's right, Jack. Lemme say, like, you know, Jack Lemmon didn't say a word to me.

[Nick Mullen]

They all probably. I would.

[Alec Baldwin]

No, no, he did. They just stayed in the zone, you know, they were all in that zone all day long.

[Nick Mullen]

Three days in my mind is a moment in, like. It feels like some of the best acting I've ever seen in a film. And you're only. You were probably on set for what, two days?

[Alec Baldwin]

Yeah, two and a half days.

[Nick Mullen]

And you kind of like steal. You steal.

[Alec Baldwin]

The most exciting thing when that movie was a good example was, you know, it's the people you work with. Obviously the actors are a big part of it, but also the crew. Like I've always worked with. I've Been very blessed to work with some of the greatest cinematographers in history. And Juan Ruiz Anchia, who was the DP on that film, he was like, you know, Babanco's guy. And he was. I love him. Anyway, Juan Ruiz Anchia, he was great. I worked with Don McAlpine. I worked with Toll. John Toll, I worked with. You know, I'm forgetting now, but Bob Richardson, the legendary Bob Richardson, the one I did.

[Nick Mullen]

Is there ever a time where they're like. They don't speak English?

[Alec Baldwin]

Right. Yeah. You know the story.

[Nick Mullen]

What's the story?

[Alec Baldwin]

Carlo De Palma.

[Nick Mullen]

Oh, of course. That's a. That's.

[Alec Baldwin]

He didn't speak English very well. We did Woody Allen's movie.

[Nick Mullen]

How does Woody communicate with him on set?

[Alec Baldwin]

He doesn't talk to.

[Nick Mullen]

He's like. You just tell.

[Alec Baldwin]

They go off and mumble.

[Nick Mullen]

Just go over there. Yeah.

[Alec Baldwin]

You put the camera near her, closer to her.

[Nick Mullen]

You did three Woody's.

[Alec Baldwin]

I did three Woodies. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Nick Mullen]

In transitioning to, like, being a comedic actor, it's like you have a classical training, right. You studied at NYU and like Strasbourg. But kind of in some ways, the way I see it is like you at the tv, that was the beginning of your education.

[Alec Baldwin]

That's where you learn.

[Nick Mullen]

Right.

[Alec Baldwin]

Watching other people.

[Nick Mullen]

People. And it's kind of like you were picking. That was like the beginning of theater school for you. Right. And like, are you the best actor you've ever been right now? Like, is it something that evolves over time or.

[Alec Baldwin]

Well, I think it's hard to You. I'd rather give a. I'd rather have a smaller role in a great film.

[Nick Mullen]

Yeah.

[Alec Baldwin]

Than have a big role in a mediocre film.

[Nick Mullen]

Yeah.

[Alec Baldwin]

You know, the key is, are you making a film with people who. I said, listen, I said this quote in a documentary I did. I said, avoiding any kind of relationship or any kind of communication with the director and not availing yourself of the director's skills. I said it was like trying to avoid the birth canal when you're being born. It all goes through the director. They're making the film. So if you make a film with a good director, you have an increased chance. I've made films where we knew that if everybody did their job perfectly every day, the most we could hope for was mediocrity. That wasn't on the page. I wanted to go to work. But when I work with Marty or somebody like that, I'm like, you know, fuck, that's exciting.

[Nick Mullen]

I mean, you. You were in too. You kind of soul departed Too. No, you. You seen Stolen.

[Alec Baldwin]

But I love doing the Aviator because I love that period. I love Leo in that role.

[Nick Mullen]

Oh, yeah. As Juan.

[Alec Baldwin]

And my. And his daughter is my neighbor on Long Island. She was Betsy de Vecchi. Pan Am sat with her. Betsy DeBecky said to me, I'll never forget.

[Nick Mullen]

She's on fat stacks. No. Or she's. No, she's probably Big house. No.

[Alec Baldwin]

Yeah, yeah. She's passed away, but.

[Nick Mullen]

Oh, I'm sorry.

[Alec Baldwin]

She had a nice house.

[Nick Mullen]

Sorry. May her memory be a blessing.

[Alec Baldwin]

It was some historic home. But anyway, so trip. I'm there with her, and she goes, do you think that Mr. Scorsese would like to have my dad's luggage in the film? And I go, I don't know. I can call him and ask him. And she. He had Halliburton luggage, that stainless steel luggage, beautiful luggage, all stamped with the logo of Pan Am on there. And I remember thinking, my God, it's like, sell me this fucking luggage right now. For a million dollars, I'll give you a million dollars.

[Nick Mullen]

Did you tell Marty?

[Alec Baldwin]

Yeah, no, I told Marty. And Marty was like, no.

[Nick Mullen]

That sucks, because you're trying to impress him. You're like, marty, I found the real luggage of the guy.

[Alec Baldwin]

You realize your research isn't to change the script. I've had that happen before.

[Nick Mullen]

That's not changing the script. You're, like, going above and beyond. You're being a good student. You're like.

[Alec Baldwin]

You're trying to bring what you can. You're trying.

[Nick Mullen]

I mean, it's Martin Square. Are there directors that you've wanted to fucking just pummel? Like, there have to be. Some of them have to be, like, manipulative, fucking sociopathic.

[Alec Baldwin]

I've been in situations where early on.

[Nick Mullen]

Yeah.

[Alec Baldwin]

I don't even think they roll the camera. Like, you're in meetings before, and the guy's obviously not. Doesn't have anything to say. Like, you just think differently. I'm not. I don't want to judge people and say mean things about them. But there's like one or two cases where I sat there and I said to the producers, we get alone in a room and I go get somebody else. I don't want to do that. I want to go home.

[Nick Mullen]

Yeah, because you're naturally manipulating someone into giving a performance, Right? So there is some sort of.

[Alec Baldwin]

You gotta have a good director. You gotta have a decent director. I did this movie, the Cooler.

[Nick Mullen]

Great movie.

[Alec Baldwin]

Yeah. And Wayne Cranber was the writer director. And it was like. And I just loved him. He was really, really. He was into listening to what you had to say. But in the end you defer to the fact. Like if you read a script and you agree to do the film, you agree to do that script, you can't come in there, which many actors do, and try to change things after the fact. You come in and then you say to them, let's do some alternatives, we'll do it as written. Then let's do some improvisations, but always do it as written. That's what we're obligated to do.

[Nick Mullen]

We just had Bill Macy, who's also in that movie, and I say Bill because it's like I'm also famous. He said, I call him Bill. It's kind of sick.

[Alec Baldwin]

I made three movies with Bill.

[Nick Mullen]

Bill H. Macy. You did? Yeah, but he was the. You were nominated for the Cooler.

[Alec Baldwin]

I did the Cooler with him, goes to Mississippi and then I did a State in Maine with, with Mammoth.

[Nick Mullen]

So he took. Mamet was like his like kind of mentor.

[Alec Baldwin]

Yes.

[Nick Mullen]

Yeah. And the way he described his process was like the least like dick headed way that acting has ever been described to me, which is that there's no character, there's just an objective. Like it's. You do your fucking job right.

[Alec Baldwin]

And if you do it, that's the Mammoth school. Mamet wrote a book. Yeah.

[Nick Mullen]

Like, did that rub off on you in working with him?

[Alec Baldwin]

No, no, no.

[Nick Mullen]

You don't buy it? You don't buy in.

[Alec Baldwin]

I've worked with directors, not many, but a couple, where they say to me, could you do this and do this? And I, and I didn't quite understand, but I'd always go, because of time. You're part of a collaboration where time is urgent.

[Nick Mullen]

Yeah.

[Alec Baldwin]

So I'd say to the guy, sure. I go, I'll do that right now. Let's do another one. I'll do that. And I go right back and do exactly what I did before.

[Nick Mullen]

Right.

[Alec Baldwin]

I go, how was that?

[Nick Mullen]

So what's your process?

[Alec Baldwin]

Well, if the director is somebody who is. This is the torture of. Not torture, but the torment of how we work now is that if there's people who are great directors or you think they're onto something, like Wayne, when I worked with him, he wasn't famous. But when they're onto something, you, you do what they want to do, let them lead you. But then with other people, you have to be self directing, which is tough. You have to decide, well, I think this is what I should do. And guys will walk up to you and go, oh, don't do that or don't do that. See, one thing you always do. I know this is. We're digressing, but one thing you always try to do is how much of a performer is the character. So in Glengarry, that guy was a performer. He'd gone around the New York real estate world and beyond yelling at people. Straighten him out. Being a real meat. Motivating, the motivator is their word. And so whenever you do films and things like that, you have to wonder, is the guy, like, I always say the same tired line, which is that Robert Duvall plays Boo Bradley in To Kill a Mockingbird. He doesn't have one line. It's one of the most shattering performances you've ever seen in your lifetime. So acting is physical, acting is emotional, acting is interiority, all these different things. And when you're doing something with a director and they don't get what you're doing, it's tough.

[Nick Mullen]

You and Mamet, and especially in Glengarry Glen Ross, it's so testosterone.

[Alec Baldwin]

Right, right.

[Nick Mullen]

And they're so masculine, those scripts and the like. Tough. Yeah. You're in a. In a world where you put on costumes and you pretend to be other people, but you, you're. The theatrical arts are not, like there. There's a sensitivity about them, but, like,

[Alec Baldwin]

well, you can walk in, you can walk onto the set with Mamet and. And you say to yourself, the films he's directed that he's written have been less successful than the scripts he wrote that other people directed. But that can't influence what you do. You have to go in with people and always say and think the best. I'm not just saying this to be warm. You know what I mean? You go in there, you don't want to predict failure. I've made movies where the other actor or actress was someone who I didn't quite understand. What they were doing sucks. And I didn't quite understand why the director wasn't on them.

[Nick Mullen]

Who is it?

[Alec Baldwin]

And these Lemon.

[Nick Mullen]

We were all thinking, she's the funniest person on earth.

[Alec Baldwin]

Well, she's such a unique person, you know? Cause she's so funny in that way. I mean, you realize that when I worked with them, I wasn't funny. When I worked with him.

[Nick Mullen]

Shut the fuck up.

[Alec Baldwin]

Well, no, no, but I'm being. I mean, I'd done some snl, but the point is this. But I really mean this. I learned not to be funny, but I learned what was funny. A lot of things you see now on tv, I Mean, a ton of it is more cute than funny. And Tina was funny. I mean, they'd hand me scripts. We do a Wednesday read through, and they'd hand us the script on a Wednesday morning, and I'd read it in the makeup chair, and then we'd go up to a lunch conference room, which had cameras to beam us to Burbank for the executives in California to watch the read through at 12 noon, and they'd hand me the script. I'd read. I'd go see Robert Carlock for the lunch read through, and I look at him, I go, are you fucking kidding me? You want me to do. You're out of your mind. You want me to do this? Which was. I was like a gay Mexican song soap opera star playing against myself doing the Patty Duke thing. And he was like, karadlock always said the same thing. He said, it's a big swing. It's a big swing, but we know you can. We have faith in you. We think you can do it.

[Nick Mullen]

It's fun too, right?

[Alec Baldwin]

I never had more fun in my life.

[Nick Mullen]

The scene. There's a particular scene which I think your performance is a master class in, like, comedic acting, but it's the scene where you take Tracy to meet the NBC therapist, and you play. You play, like, 12 different characters.

[Alec Baldwin]

I bust up a ship, a rope.

[Nick Mullen]

Yeah. And he starts engaging. It's. It's just. It is like a perfect scene. I. I actually just this morning remembered another scene of yours, which I literally made me pee my pants when I was a kid. We're, like, younger, but in Along Came Paulie. When you're pissing next to Ben Stiller, and then you, like, you tenderly, like, squeeze his earlobe, and then you start massaging, especially after you've been pissing and you're his boss, of course. It's. It's just.

[Alec Baldwin]

I knew she was a dime store. Who at the moment I laid out dude, I.

[Nick Mullen]

Who had the vision that, like. Who knew you were funny because you're gonna do this. Like, I. I'm not funny at all. I'm just an actor. But, like, was it Lauren?

[Alec Baldwin]

Like, I went and did SNL the first time, and what I learned was, unless you're Stallone or Schwarzenegger, where they're gonna make up fun of your Persona, they're not gonna do that. You got to become one of the company and just pull your pants down and make an ass of yourself.

[Nick Mullen]

Is it more fun?

[Alec Baldwin]

Oh, yeah, yeah. No, I loved SNL because you would never. There's things you Do. They're not all of it, but there were things you would do that you would never do anywhere else.

[Nick Mullen]

Yeah.

[Alec Baldwin]

To have that experience, you had to

[Nick Mullen]

do that show like Little Canteen Boy.

[Alec Baldwin]

I don't think he was Little Canteen Boy.

[Nick Mullen]

What is it?

[Alec Baldwin]

I think he was Strapping Canteen.

[Nick Mullen]

Oh, that was.

[Alec Baldwin]

Oh, no, no, I was. No, I was the scout measure. He was right.

[Nick Mullen]

You know, we used to live in a sampler battery. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Alec Baldwin]

They got more complaints about that sketch than any sketch.

[Nick Mullen]

It was pretty funny, honestly. Do you ever fear that, like, your perception as a celebrity might overshadow, like, the very reason why you're a celebrity?

[Alec Baldwin]

Well, yeah. You have to be very careful. I tell people all the time who are young, I'm like, don't see the people who are the biggest stars. You know the least about them.

[Nick Mullen]

Yeah.

[Alec Baldwin]

And they control them.

[Nick Mullen]

I would be a ghost.

[Alec Baldwin]

Yeah. Because if you go out, if they see you doing things in public and it's not appealing or attractive, it's not. It's not going to help you. Like, I. I mean, I felt like if guys were 75ft away with a long lens and they took your picture, I never cared. Was when they got up close and almost hit my wife in the teeth with the lens of their camera.

[Nick Mullen]

I mean, I would get.

[Alec Baldwin]

That's when I got a little patient. Yeah, I did get. I mean, I took the bait more

[Nick Mullen]

than once, but it's not the bait. They're fucking hitting your wife in the face with a camera almost.

[Alec Baldwin]

Yeah.

[Nick Mullen]

Was the first time you got paparazzi, like, kind of cool? Were you like, dude, I must be sick sexy.

[Alec Baldwin]

I've hated him from day one.

[Nick Mullen]

You hated them day one. There's an Italian guy following you around. He's like, bella, Bella. You know, I don't know what they're like. I've never gotten one.

[Alec Baldwin]

Well, here it's. Here it's gone from like a. You see, you're too young to remember. Like, here it's gone like a very, very obscure corner. The entertainment space as a room. They were off in a little corner and all this kind of salacious, gossipy stuff was very, very, very, like third or fourth, fourth tier.

[Nick Mullen]

You know, about people's lives.

[Alec Baldwin]

And now it's an industry. And now they're going on and making a fool of famous, wealthy sports figures, music figures, entertainers or whatever, actors, businessmen, musk, whoever, politicians, to humiliate them and embarrass them publicly. That's a huge industry now. A very big industry. So they're out there with nets, trying to catch something.

[Nick Mullen]

I feel like I'm lucky that I'm not a punching guy. I'm more of a. Like, I'll. Psychologically, you call your lawyer. The long game. Yeah.

[Alec Baldwin]

You stare at them.

[Nick Mullen]

Do you think that you were characterized as a. As like a. Like a bully, a tabloid fixture?

[Alec Baldwin]

As a bully. I bullied these photographers. I went up to one the guys

[Nick Mullen]

that were trying to take a picture of your newborn child.

[Alec Baldwin]

Well, one guy walks up. He. We're coming out of our building, and we're walking down the block, and he's walking backwards, and he's really big. He's like six, four. He's tall. He's a big guy. You know, I mean. And he doesn't pay attention. He trips and falls and sits on a baby in a stroller. What's behind him?

[Nick Mullen]

Your baby?

[Alec Baldwin]

No, no, somebody else. A woman's coming this way. And he's going backwards, and he falls onto the. And sits on the baby in the stroller. And I thought to myself, well, I won't say what I thought.

[Nick Mullen]

You're like, it's my fault. No, no, I'm a really.

[Alec Baldwin]

We should just chop him up now, right here.

[Nick Mullen]

I wanted to mention something to you that I. I felt. And I've been. It's kind of, like, been dawned on me since I was, like, doing the research for you. And it's going back to what I said is, like, that your celebrity sometimes

[Alec Baldwin]

has overshadowed kind of by reputation is what you mean.

[Adam Friedland]

But it's just.

[Alec Baldwin]

You use the word celebrity or being coy.

[Nick Mullen]

Public life, Right. Something I've picked up on is like, I watched your reality show, right? And why? Because, like, I was being thorough. But, like, it really dawned. The first thought I had was like, is this what you have to do these days? Like, in a moment of extreme, like,

[Alec Baldwin]

personal crisis, like, I'm weeping in a conference room with some publicists, and I go, what can I do to clean up this message? And they go, you can have seven kids.

[Nick Mullen]

Is it? But, like, what I'm saying is, like, for me, personally, I'm not into celebrity gossip, but when I heard about what happened, right. It didn't sound real to me.

[Alec Baldwin]

Where?

[Nick Mullen]

Right in New Mexico. It didn't sound like a real thing that happened in the real world. I think we probably made jokes about it. Like, it didn't dawn on me until I was doing research for the show. And I really felt like it would be something that you would carry for the rest of your life. And it just. It Kind of dawned on me that, like, people don't perceive public figures as real human beings, perhaps.

[Alec Baldwin]

I think that in that case, among countless things I could say was the idea that when my case imploded and was over and was over, not because of a statement of a jury or of the cleverness of my lawyers, the judge ended the trial.

[Nick Mullen]

It was thrown out.

[Alec Baldwin]

Yeah, the judge terminated the trial. She thought, this is enough of. This is just insane. And when that happened, a friend of mine, a woman who's an attorney, very famous attorney, she said to me that what bothered her was, she said, once they couldn't get you, it was over. The case didn't continue. They're not out there looking for the guy that brought the bullets onto the set. They're not doing. Once they attempted to frame you and they couldn't do it, it ended. Which that should be of grave concern to everybody that lives in that community, that it just imploded because they didn't succeed at their other.

[Nick Mullen]

Certainly. But beyond that, like, I looked at, like, the way that it's discussed in popular discourse and on the Internet, like, I looked at Reddit and.

[Alec Baldwin]

Well, Reddit's bad.

[Nick Mullen]

It's bad. But it seems like people don't process it in a way that this is clearly something that is not someone's fault. Instead, they kind of, in a very unfair way as, like, blame to you. No, it's not funny. Funny is like, at least like.

[Alec Baldwin]

Well, a lot of it. They try. They think it's funny.

[Nick Mullen]

Funny is at least, like, ironic. I think people that genuinely assign blame for something that's like, literally, you know, that you'll carry for the rest of your life. And it really upset me, especially because I've been, like, revisiting all your work that, like, this. That this thing could overshadow. Like, what is so beloved about you?

[Alec Baldwin]

Well, I mean, on one hand, you say to yourself, you say, carry for the rest of your life. I don't really carry anything for the. The rest of my life. Meaning, do I feel overwhelmed and pained by the suffering and the tragedy of what happened? Yes. But do I feel responsible? No.

[Nick Mullen]

No.

[Alec Baldwin]

Because what happened was, remember, they decided to leapfrog over or pole vault over the whole idea that in the previous several days we were doing the film, we did a protocol that we did the same thing, and nobody came up to me in my shooting of the film. I just want to say, because you did bring it up. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 days, no one came up to me and said, hey, let's do it this way. It was only after the fact that they said, oh, we're supposed to do it this way. But let me just close.

[Nick Mullen]

I don't want to, but I don't

[Alec Baldwin]

want to end on a positive note. Yeah, no, but let me just say this. Having my kids and having all these children. I'm 67 years old. I got a three year old baby. So I got a lot of kids at home, little kids, and they saved my life. And I'm sure the same is true with you, which is that you would get to the point where. I mean, I'm older now, but when you get to the point where you think less about where you get love than where you give love, one of the more frustrating and even painful things in life is you have nobody to give your love to. You might have a lot of love to give in your heart to people. Your parents are gone, what have you. And with my kids, it's like I have a lot of love to give. And I have all these kids around me all day long, and I'm not really. I wasn't doing very much for the last three and a half years. I was home all the time. And they saved me, me, they saved my life. To have that exchange of, like, love energy with these children who are all, you know, and they all make fun of me. Like, I show them pictures of me from old movies and like, here I am with Michael Keaton.

[Nick Mullen]

Piece of ass, though.

[Alec Baldwin]

Well, no, no, but here I am with Michael Keaton. I had a good month. I had a strong month back there in the 80s.

[Nick Mullen]

Shut the fuck up.

[Alec Baldwin]

But I had a picture of me with Michael Keaton and Gina and me and Beetlejuice. And I go, that's me. That's me there with the, you know, dark hair and I'm thin.

[Nick Mullen]

Oh, you had the mystery lumberjack.

[Alec Baldwin]

Lumberjack. And they, and they, and they. And they. My kids. Look at, they're like, no, no, that's. They put Michael Keaton. They're like, that's you. That's you. No, Beetlejuice.

[Nick Mullen]

He's a cool guy.

[Alec Baldwin]

He's a cool guy.

[Nick Mullen]

What I'm saying is this is like you're an artist, right? And you're motivated in your craft. You still have artistic ambitions, right?

[Alec Baldwin]

Like a couple.

[Nick Mullen]

What would you define?

[Alec Baldwin]

I want to do a play. I'm working on a play. I don't want to get into too much detail, but I'm working on a play right now with a writer who I admire, this incredible writer who I've been friends with for years. Who's. My admiration for him is boundless. And he is gonna write a one man show for me. They'll be ancillary characters.

[Nick Mullen]

Yeah.

[Alec Baldwin]

But I'm gonna play the lead role in this one man show, which is a real historical survey of the United States post Cold War. And it's one figure that we funneled the whole thing through. And he's the prism of the whole thing.

[Nick Mullen]

Who is it?

[Alec Baldwin]

And I don't want to say Hoover. Hoover. Right. No, Hoover.

[Nick Mullen]

No, they.

[Alec Baldwin]

I don't want to play Hoover.

[Nick Mullen]

They made Hoover. Nixon.

[Alec Baldwin]

No, no. But anyway, not somebody.

[Nick Mullen]

Did I write Nixon?

[Alec Baldwin]

Not somebody. You'd be off the top of your head. You wouldn't.

[Adam Friedland]

Kissinger's getting possibly.

[Alec Baldwin]

Yeah.

[Adam Friedland]

The Jew was a natural spy.

[Nick Mullen]

I can say that.

[Alec Baldwin]

Times are run by these Jews.

[Nick Mullen]

Yeah.

[Alec Baldwin]

Yeah.

[Nick Mullen]

He really. He. He really.

[Alec Baldwin]

It was an anti Semitic maniac.

[Nick Mullen]

Yeah, well, it wasn't anti Semitic. I mean, this guy was just. His entire life, he wouldn't take no for an answer. And he just kept running for crap. I mean, you know, the pretty boys, like, stole the election from him, you know.

[Alec Baldwin]

They may have.

[Nick Mullen]

Yeah.

[Adam Friedland]

But he still made it to the top.

[Nick Mullen]

And then he was still kind of alone, you know, that's the thing about him. And then they kicked him out. For what? Spying on the other. I'm not a Republican, but, like, spying

[Adam Friedland]

on the other guys.

[Nick Mullen]

They have to all be doing that.

[Alec Baldwin]

McGovern needed to be spied on.

[Adam Friedland]

Yeah.

[Nick Mullen]

He was lost by a zillion.

[Alec Baldwin]

Let's get back to the exchange of the love energy shot.

[Nick Mullen]

Okay.

[Adam Friedland]

Wait.

[Alec Baldwin]

When you're in bed with your girlfriend.

[Nick Mullen]

Yeah.

[Alec Baldwin]

And Pat. Her name is Pat Nixon.

[Nick Mullen]

Yeah.

[Alec Baldwin]

Yeah, I was gonna say her.

[Adam Friedland]

Can I escort you on dates? Yeah.

[Alec Baldwin]

Should we.

[Nick Mullen]

I just watched her get slammed.

[Alec Baldwin]

Yeah, but the thing is, is that. So you're there in the house, and maybe the time, as I say in those, like, those Osti Spumonti commercials or whatever, like, you know the time is right. When do you know the time is right? When do you know she are gonna. Well, sex or love or whatever.

[Nick Mullen]

When she lets me.

[Alec Baldwin]

She says she signals.

[Nick Mullen]

Yeah. She's the girl. That's the rules.

[Alec Baldwin]

Right? Is that what it is? You don't.

[Adam Friedland]

I can't.

[Alec Baldwin]

What, you don't pin her on.

[Nick Mullen]

I'm not gonna go there. I'm a gross guy. I want to have a.

[Alec Baldwin]

You follow her. She leaves.

[Nick Mullen]

I'm silly. Yeah. Of course.

[Alec Baldwin]

She turns to you and she's like, let's go.

[Nick Mullen]

I mean, that's the rule. I mean, that's the system.

[Alec Baldwin]

Is that what you do?

[Nick Mullen]

I don't want to. You know, because when you do it and she's like, ugh, I have. I feel disgusted.

[Alec Baldwin]

You don't walk in. You have a drink. Then you look at her. Go get your clothes.

[Nick Mullen]

You know what the worst thing in the world is? Is when they're on their period, their boobs are a little bit bigger, and we forget every month, so we're like this. And then you get slapped.

[Alec Baldwin]

Yeah.

[Adam Friedland]

I'm disgusting.

[Alec Baldwin]

Yeah.

[Nick Mullen]

And it's like.

[Alec Baldwin]

It's a symptom.

[Nick Mullen]

The period thing again.

[Alec Baldwin]

It's a symptom.

[Nick Mullen]

I felt. God is laughing up there.

[Alec Baldwin]

She wants you to take control. Touch. Take my hand.

[Nick Mullen]

No, she's.

[Alec Baldwin]

No, you go to reach for her in any. Any curve. You want to squeeze. Don't take no for.

[Nick Mullen]

She's.

[Alec Baldwin]

Just shove her on the bed. Just shove her on the bed.

[Nick Mullen]

I. I don't.

[Adam Friedland]

I. Do you think.

[Nick Mullen]

Do you think a woman. Do you think, like, if I learned how to kill someone with my bare hands, do you think I'd get more respect from my girlfriend?

[Alec Baldwin]

What is this, a Hitchcock movie? What the fuck are you talking about?

[Nick Mullen]

I feel like if. As a.

[Alec Baldwin]

As a man, I want you to say take. If you don't know what I mean by this, what's this then? You're hopeless. Just take charge. Which women want you to. Women want you to decide where you're gonna go to dinner. Can we guess where we're gonna go? We're going to prank call her right now?

[Nick Mullen]

Yeah. She doesn't want to be on the show. She doesn't even know it. She. She doesn't even know that I'm.

[Alec Baldwin]

She doesn't need my help. You do what?

[Nick Mullen]

I'm not.

[Alec Baldwin]

What am I gonna charge?

[Nick Mullen]

What am I gonna force my. I'm gonna put her in a ball gown and then do a. Do a. Do a waltz.

[Alec Baldwin]

You're walking up to her blouse. You're gonna rip it open.

[Nick Mullen]

Really? I. I think she'd yell at me for her. For her shirt.

[Alec Baldwin]

Get a box of shirts. Do it every night.

[Adam Friedland]

She stops me from getting hit by

[Nick Mullen]

a car, like, at least once every two weeks. It's a good system.

[Alec Baldwin]

We have take charge.

[Nick Mullen]

I don't.

[Alec Baldwin]

The reservation. You come home, you have sex before any reservation.

[Nick Mullen]

What the hell do I know from restaurants? Wait, can I. Can I go back to the love thing? You were saying?

[Alec Baldwin]

Yeah.

[Nick Mullen]

You've lost your parents.

[Alec Baldwin]

Yeah, my parents are dying, so, yeah,

[Nick Mullen]

I lost a pair, like, five Years ago.

[Alec Baldwin]

And who was it?

[Nick Mullen]

My mother. The best. The best. The twin. The best one. But that's kind of what. What my major takeaway was. And, you know, it's really corny. Guys, don't just. It's so embarrassing what I'm saying.

[Alec Baldwin]

My boy.

[Adam Friedland]

Dude.

[Nick Mullen]

But it's like, why all the song. All songs are about it and, like, poetry, like most movies are about love. And I think it's like the first time I ever saw, like, a point to anything was that our family was all together. And it kind of. Yeah, it gave me a new appreciation.

[Alec Baldwin]

I think a fun experiment for you or anybody, especially because you're so young. I mean, I'm older now and my garden is planted here, so to speak. But for you, it's like, remember, always at least entertain the idea that your private life is exactly different from completely different from your professional life.

[Nick Mullen]

What do you mean?

[Alec Baldwin]

You're a certain way here. Then when you go home, you mix a drink, you rip the shirt off, you throw her on the bed.

[Nick Mullen]

So whatever you people on the show that I do that.

[Alec Baldwin]

No, no, no. You should be who you are. That's gotten you here.

[Nick Mullen]

Yeah. And she's like, I have cramps and stuff. And then I've already torn all the clothes and I.

[Alec Baldwin]

Damn right I'm hard and stuff.

[Nick Mullen]

I'm like. Then I have to go to the bathroom and jerk.

[Alec Baldwin]

You could have left that. You could have left all that out. Let's cut that.

[Adam Friedland]

Wait. You don't curse.

[Nick Mullen]

You're not a. You're not a. You don't.

[Alec Baldwin]

Well, I can curse, but I'm just trying. I don't know.

[Nick Mullen]

I'm just saying that if she has cursed cramps or a headache and then I've done all that, then I'm like, what the hell?

[Alec Baldwin]

At least you tried.

[Nick Mullen]

Well, yeah, but then there's a torn clothes. And then I'm like, stop caring about that. And then I have a boner that I have to go to the bathroom and jerk off like a loser.

[Adam Friedland]

Wait, can you just.

[Alec Baldwin]

Good night, everybody.

[Nick Mullen]

I would have just.

[Alec Baldwin]

I got time for one more. Ask me an important question.

[Nick Mullen]

Okay.

[Alec Baldwin]

It doesn't involve your boner or her period. What the hell?

[Adam Friedland]

What?

[Nick Mullen]

You what? I'm sorry, dude. I wasn't the hottest guy in the world, and I did have sex with a thousand women.

[Alec Baldwin]

You will be. Go ahead.

[Nick Mullen]

Why do you have a good personality? Why do you have a personality at all as, like, a hot guy with, like, that. You know, like, why I had to develop a personality because I thought that I would never find a wife.

[Alec Baldwin]

So take their mind off the fact.

[Nick Mullen]

I think that you were. You probably like, you've probably always been great with the ladies and you developed your. It makes me angry. Why is a guy that looks good also funny? It's kind of our thing.

[Alec Baldwin]

I'm not that funny.

[Nick Mullen]

No, you're funny, bro. You told me to do that whole thing to my girlfriend. That was hilarious.

[Alec Baldwin]

I think you should just take charge. I said just take charge. So the last thing I'll say is this and that is that the more and more you work in this business and the more and more you care less about the outside, so to speak. When I was younger, dye my hair, style my hair, the clothes, the this, that. And then eventually I got seven kids and I thought, I don't have the time. Time for this. I like.

[Nick Mullen]

You also have the chest music too.

[Alec Baldwin]

Is that what happened?

[Nick Mullen]

Yeah, that was when chess music was big. When he was a hunk.

[Alec Baldwin]

He had like I had surgery. I had my skin cancer dick.

[Nick Mullen]

Really? I'm sorry about that. Yeah. Thank you. I can't grow chest hair.

[Alec Baldwin]

You don't have any hair.

[Nick Mullen]

Low testosterone probably or I don't have any hair.

[Alec Baldwin]

You don't have any pubic hair.

[Nick Mullen]

Oh, my balls.

[Alec Baldwin]

Yeah.

[Nick Mullen]

Yeah, a lot. Yeah.

[Alec Baldwin]

So when you have a boner, when she want to have sex with you, you have a boner. It's a hairy boner or it's a hairless boner.

[Nick Mullen]

Well, you got to trim around. It's a dolphin or it's a get extra inch.

[Alec Baldwin]

Probably some shrubbery.

[Nick Mullen]

Yeah, yeah. That's what. Okay, last one. I just. One last one.

[Alec Baldwin]

Yes.

[Nick Mullen]

Okay. I have to ask you this. And what do you make of the allegations that still follow you to this day concerning the Boss Baby's treatment of employees and the toxic work environment?

[Alec Baldwin]

I can't comment.

[Nick Mullen]

The follow up question is, can a voice actor be held responsible for a car to. I'm really famous.

[Alec Baldwin]

I will honestly say that I tell people, they go, what's your favorite movie? What do you think is the best movie you ever did? And the answer was Boss Baby. Boss Baby is the perfect movie. I love Boss Baby. I think it's great.

[Nick Mullen]

Really?

[Alec Baldwin]

I thought it's amazing.

[Nick Mullen]

Better than what was the company of the Boss Baby?

[Alec Baldwin]

Tom McGrath was the director. I love Tom.

[Nick Mullen]

What were they doing though at the company where he was the boss?

[Alec Baldwin]

Oh, babycore.

[Nick Mullen]

Baby Baby core.

[Alec Baldwin]

Wanting people to have babies.

[Nick Mullen]

Sounds sinister.

[Alec Baldwin]

Wanting to have babies and not pets.

[Nick Mullen]

They were making people have sex with each other.

[Alec Baldwin]

Well, that just came with the tape.

[Nick Mullen]

That's what the boss baby's about. I gotta watch that movie. Yeah, I think I missed it. Didn't the boss baby have a button under his desk that would lock the

[Alec Baldwin]

door that's not louder?

[Nick Mullen]

Okay, there you

[Alec Baldwin]

go. All right. I gotta go,

[Nick Mullen]

Sam.