GOV. GAVIN NEWSOM Talks California, ICE, New Book

Summary

The Adam Friedland Show

Episode: GOV. GAVIN NEWSOM Talks California, ICE, New Book
Date: March 4, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this lively and deeply personal episode, Adam Friedland interviews Gavin Newsom, the sitting Governor of California, about his new memoir Young Men in a Hurry, his family's complex history in San Francisco, political challenges, and broader cultural topics. The conversation runs the gamut from playful banter and inside jokes to raw reflections on family, social justice, the recall effort, and Newsom's vision for progressive politics in America.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

Humorous Banter and Gavin's Persona

• The episode opens with casual joking about Jerry Lewis, SAT scores, and misconceptions about Newsom's background, setting an irreverent, self-deprecating tone.
• Newsom repeatedly pokes fun at his image, referencing his time as a “restaurant guy,” his early days as “meter maid chair” (joking about changing the title to “parking control officer”), and the suits he wore in high school.
  • Notable Quote: "I'm a bar guy. I'm a restaurant guy. Still a bunch of restaurants... that's who I... if I had an identity, it'd be that restaurant guy." (04:03)

Growing Up in San Francisco: Identity & Politics

[06:22–16:13]

• Newsom and Friedland discuss San Francisco’s unique culture, its climate, city pride, and the "San Francisco machine" (Brown/Burton/Pelosi).
• Newsom shares memories of being a fifth-generation San Franciscan and reflects on San Francisco's reputation as a city of dreamers, “surrounded by reality.”
  • Notable Quote: "You got to be on your game all the time. And it's a big enough city and small enough that you're expected to know everything and be everywhere." (05:53)
• He tells stories about local legends, the city’s iconic status, and even a centenarian survivor from the 1906 quake:
  • “We're the flag of San Francisco is the phoenix … rising from the ashes of 06 … where we are today or where we'll be in the future after we're done with Trump.” (16:10)

Book: Young Men in a Hurry – Family, Struggles, and Authenticity

[09:40–13:00, 22:05–26:41, 35:02–40:53]

• Newsom describes his memoir as a "memoir of discovery" charting not just his political career but an intimate look at his family’s secrets, his mother’s and grandmother’s activism, and personal learning struggles (dyslexia).
  • Notable Quote: “I walked through that. I put a mask on … tried to be what people expected me to be. And I didn’t, you know, made mistakes. …It was a five year process.” (10:03)
• He talks about discovering FBI files on his family, a secretive grandfather, family links to Oppenheimer, and mob connections in old San Francisco.
• Discusses how his life was shaped by his parents’ struggles and achievements, debunking the myth that he “comes from money.”
• Moving segment: Newsom recounts his mother’s assisted suicide and his regrets for not being present.
  • "She calls me, leaves a voice message and says, if you want to see me, you should see me before next Thursday because that'll be my last day... I was there with her by myself in those last sort of violent breaths..." (35:41)
• Both Newsom and Adam share memories about losing their mothers, reflecting on grief and personal growth.

Social & Political Issues – California’s Image

[30:39–35:02]

• Friedland asks Newsom about California’s “failed state” reputation, referencing media narratives of a “poop-covered, hobo-infested hellscape.”
• Newsom provides data-driven responses—California’s economic growth, innovation, diversity—but Adam pushes for a simpler, more relatable message.
  • Notable Exchange:
    • Adam: “Why don’t you just start with... bro, it’s mad nice. It’s California. It’s mad nice.” (33:06)
    • Newsom: “We have the beach... It’s mad nice, man. Come on.” (33:54)
  • Newsom acknowledges that his defensive posture can feed the “slick” stereotype and appreciates the challenge to be more authentic.

Immigration, ICE, and Resistance to Trump-era Policies

[51:11–56:00]

• Newsom outlines his opposition to Trump’s aggressive federal action in California—including National Guard and Marines in LA, militarized ICE, and private prisons.
  • Notable Quotes:
    • “I shifted. I don’t know if you’ve seen some of my social media. It literally shifted because I was fucked. Like, no bullshit, I’m like, why aren’t people more pissed off?” (52:19)
    • “This is a private police force, a secret police force that has taken the oath of office to Trump, not the Constitution of the United States...” (53:46)
• Describes legal and legislative maneuvers California has taken in response, and expresses frustration at public complacency.

Democratic Party, Culture Wars, and Messaging

[56:00–61:13]

• Discussion about the fragmentation of the Democratic Party, policy priorities, and cultural flashpoints (pronouns, trans athletes, etc.).
• Newsom agrees Democrats should regain control of narrative and “be normal,” focusing on material improvements and not getting lost in culture wars.
• Notable Advice (from Friedland to Newsom):
  “If [Republicans] are upset about the Little Mermaid being black … just say, ‘Pardon me, but you’re a pussy. And that’s a baby movie. You’re being a baby right now.’” (60:13)

Newsom’s Political Brand and Vision

[65:17–67:39]

• On the question of a tangible "why," Newsom eschews slogans:
  • “For me, no bullshit. It's just standing up for ideals, striking out against injustice. It defines my why in every way, shape or form.” (65:29)
• Identifies influences from the 1960s spirit—King, Gandhi, Mandela—and a Sarge Shriver Democratic commitment to fighting ignorance, poverty, and disease.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On High School & Identity:
  “I was pretty good bad grades. But I was a pretty good athlete back then...sports saved me, got me into college. That's how you get into college, about the 900 or whatever [SAT].” (21:00)
• On Family Legacy:
  “I didn’t know that he was a prisoner of war after marching in Corregidor in World War II. I didn’t know about my dad’s forays into … old San Francisco back in the day.” (10:57)
• On Dyslexia & Public Speaking:
  "I have dyslexia... I don't read speeches today... I'm a politician that doesn't read a speech because I can't read a speech." (25:54)
• On Assisted Suicide and Guilt:
  "She just wanted to be with my sister and I as the doctor gave her the final... whatever the cocktail was... I was there with her by myself in those last sort of violent breaths." (36:26)
• On His Political Why:
  "Standing up for ideals, striking out against injustice. That's my dad, that's my mom, that's the book, and that's my why." (66:24)

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Key Timestamps for Important Segments

• San Francisco’s Unique Culture: 06:22–16:13
• Book & Newsom’s Family: 09:40–13:00, 22:05–26:41, 35:02–40:53
• California’s Reputation & Economic Stats: 30:39–35:02
• Newsom on Immigration, ICE, Trump: 51:11–56:00
• Democratic Party, Culture Wars, Messaging: 56:00–61:13
• Newsom on Political Identity/Motivation: 65:17–67:39

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Tone and Language

• The conversation is informal, often irreverent and filled with sarcasm, jokes, and trash talk—sometimes jostling Newsom out of the "polished politician" role into more candid territory.
• Both Friedland and Newsom reveal vulnerabilities: Friedland with stories about his own family and skepticism of politics, and Newsom in discussing personal insecurities, guilt, loss, and growing up.
• The interview seamlessly oscillates between humor (jokes about Burning Man, “suit bad grades”), sharp critique (on Trump, narrative wars), and genuine confession.

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Summary

This episode delivers a rare mix: a high-profile political figure—often criticized for being “slick”—in an unscripted, vulnerable, and sometimes combative setting. Adam Friedland uses humor to break down political facades while Newsom reveals the personal, messy origins behind his political drive—and struggles with public perception. The conversation spans local color, family trauma, national politics, and the perennial challenge of truthful public service in a culture obsessed with image and narratives. Ultimately, Newsom shares that his “why” is “standing up for ideals, striking out against injustice,” while grappling with how to communicate that to ordinary Americans.

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Recommended segment: For Newsom's unfiltered story about his mother's passing and what that meant to him as a son and as a politician, see 35:02–40:53. For his most concise statement of political philosophy, see 65:29–66:24.

Transcript

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What a legend he is. It's kind of like Chevy Chase had that reputation, too. I don't know.

[B]

You like it, right? Jerry Lewis. It's like filmic to like it. He's just being annoying. Yeah, but the French really know funny.

[A]

When are we walking in? Are we starting? When are we walking back?

[B]

Start here with Jerry Lewis is annoying and the French don't know anything.

[A]

That's funny.

[B]

Let's start this.

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I don't want to get.

[B]

We don't need to do a walk out.

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Jerry Lewis. And he's a legend. Jerry, if you're watching, you're a legend.

[B]

I think he's dead. No, he's dead. Yeah. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another special episode of the Adam Friedland Show. I'm Adam Freeland. I'm once again recording from home because I am gravely injured. Yesterday while trying to pick up this very large water bottle right here, I threw out my back. And I'm now at home resting and medicating with this pill. But as we know, the show must go on. And our guest this week is sitting California governor Gavin Newsom, whose new memoir, Young Men in a Hurry is available now wherever books are sold. It's actually Gavin Newsom's third book following Citizenville, my personal favorite, and Ben and Emma's big hit, a gripping sports drama that follows two school children as they learn how to read using baseball. Young Men in a Hurry certainly doesn't carry the same re readability, but it's the kind of book that you have to write because you write it before you run for the president. But here's hoping that someday down the line, Gavin returns to the Ben and Emma series, perhaps penning an even bigger hit. Please enjoy my interview with Gavin Newsom. The book is Young Men in a Hurry.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

It's about trying to find a bathroom, right?

[A]

Yeah, I did. Well, I finally found one on the third floor. By the way, it's a fine. You haven't been up to the third floor bathroom. You should get up there.

[B]

If they actually have a better bathroom than us, ours is like.

[A]

Well, you don't even have a toilet in yours. So let's establish this.

[B]

We have two toilets at a uriah.

[A]

You don't. Right now you have one toilet and there's someone in there working.

[B]

Why are you coming? You're talking. You're letting them all know that the second floor.

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Be honest with people about second.

[B]

Everyone. I. I really appreciate you coming on.

[A]

Good to be with you, man.

[B]

How's the book tour?

[A]

This? It just came out Yesterday.

[B]

You're moving, are you?

[A]

Are you? I mean, this may be the end of the book tour, day two.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. What did you get on the SATs, by the way?

[A]

You know, really? We'll just jump right there. What'd you get on your sat? Let's have that conversation.

[B]

I don't remember, actually. I don't know.

[A]

Oh, you're on one.

[B]

I think I got like 14 or something.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

Right? So what?

[A]

Yeah, well. 960.

[B]

Yeah, I'm smart.

[A]

Anything wrong with that? Yeah, you are. You probably are. I was going to take you.

[B]

You are smart.

[A]

I don't know that I'm smart, but I'm a guy.960sat, which by the way, is, you know, that's a fact. And I was going to do it again. My mother said don't waste your time.

[B]

First of all, you got 1600. He's doing the George Bush thing right now. Yes, you are.

[A]

My wife, I think may have gotten 1600 Stanford people.

[B]

By all appearances. You like seem like this the lawyer to politician, you know, aesthetically, you look like that.

[A]

I was doing pre launch.

[B]

You're the restaurant.

[A]

I was. That was the plan.

[B]

You're restaurant owner to politicians.

[A]

All screwed up. It all went south on me. Yeah.

[B]

So it's you and Boebert are the two restaurant owner to politicians, by the way.

[A]

Well, there's a few others. Hickenlooper. We used to hang out. Well, there was a bunch of mayors. John Hickenlooper was mayor of Denver. He's the senator now. Was governor of Colorado. All those guys. Martin o', Malley, there was this sort of group of people that were just different because they all had bar experience. They all had restaurant experience. So I'm a bar guy. I'm a restaurant guy. Still a bunch of restaurants.

[B]

Was Bobert hanging out or you did a letter?

[A]

I'm not with Boebert. I don't know. I've never met her.

[B]

You know what her restaurant is called? Shooters. It's a gun themed restaurant.

[A]

That just makes sense.

[B]

And apparently it's a diarrhea themed restaurant. I've heard too. I think we're gonna get sued.

[A]

But I'm a. That's who I. By the way, if I had an identity, it'd be that restaurant guy. I still have a bunch of them. And that's why when I'm done with politics, I'll go back to the bar and restaurant.

[B]

Is that what you're gonna do now that you're done with governor?

[A]

I got a sell by date.

[B]

You're gonna be an author slash restauran.

[A]

Grow a beard and. And then I'm probably just gonna start delivering, you know, wine again or something. I don't know what I'm gonna do.

[B]

That's what you're gonna do. Well, you. You've kind of stepped up. You've kind of ascended, right? You were like city council, kind of

[A]

parking and traffic, brother.

[B]

So you started at parking and traffic.

[A]

Yes. Don't forget that.

[B]

Then you went to. You. You worked your way up Mayor of San Francisco.

[A]

I worked my way down to supervisor, then mayor. Yeah. But I was chair. Meter maid chair. By the way, I changed the name meter maid to parking control Officer. Just wanted to go on record woke bullshit. Yeah, that was. By the way. Appreciated that, by the way.

[B]

We did the meter mates. Yeah, it's in the book. It's actually lovely.

[A]

You must have read the damn book we're talking about.

[B]

I read the book, okay.

[A]

We not only changed. See, I actually accomplished something as parking traffic commissioner. We changed the name from meter maid to parking Control Office. And then we did parking Control Officer of the month.

[B]

Did you give them guns?

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They don't have guns.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

No, they weren't.

[B]

That's why they're the least respected cop, because they don't have guns.

[A]

But meter maids is. You know that. Don't you like parking control Officer better?

[B]

I have no respect until they get the gun.

[A]

Okay?

[B]

I'm sorry. Get a gun and then we'll talk.

[A]

I in the book. Talk about a pellet gun that was used to shoot one of the parking control officers.

[B]

Yeah. And if they had. If they had an AR13, it would have been.

[A]

Jesus. Well, they had an AR15, it would have been more.

[B]

I don't even know what that is. I don't know what a 15 is. They made a new one. Okay. San Francisco, from what I understand, is kind of. In terms of California politics, kind of like it's a talent factory, right?

[A]

Weirdly, right. I mean, he may not speaker of the House, but it conveys all these.

[B]

Former vice president.

[A]

Yeah. And then a legend, Willie Brown, who is connected. All this is sort of this Brown, Burton Pelosi machine that it's referred to in Northern California and it's by the San Francisco man, everybody. I mean, the folks out on the streets and sidewalks know all about you. Yeah, cabda. All about you. It's 24. 7 surround sound, political engagement. So you got to be on your game all the time. And it's a big enough city and small enough city that you're Expected to know everything and be everywhere and do everything.

[B]

I go. I go when I was a kid to sf, like, because I had family that lived there. And it was. It's a magical place. I mean, it's an unbelievable place. It's also. I was saying to you on the phone, it's like when it's winter everywhere else, it's like 75. And when it's summer everywhere else, it's like 32 degrees. It's like fog. It's really doing its own thing. But it's also just like. It's on the west coast, but it's, like, confined by geography, so they build up. It's like a real city.

[A]

By the way, you know who said it was about the summers? It was. Who the hell said it was Allen Ginsburg? No, when in doubt, it was Allen Ginsburg. San Francisco was Ginsburg. No, but it was Mark Twain who said the coldest winter he ever spent was a summer in San Francisco because of the fog that comes in. And you get September, September, October, man, it's. It's the most beautiful weather. And Golden Gate park is stunning. But you go down to Crissy Field, you walk down there right near the bay, under the Golden Gate Bridge. Come on. Presidio. There's nothing like it anywhere in the world. Is one of the most spectacular cities for all the hate that they're spreading.

[B]

A lot of those Burning man kind of singularity. Let's do ketamine. Fucking.

[A]

By the way, I was like, that was my. Those are my people. Back in the day I started Dog, Burning Man, I started to do Burning man sculptures when I was mayor. We started put it out there. I never went, but I brought. They always. They were bringing the sculptures back. I'm like, can we put this stuff?

[B]

We can't have a president that goes. I'm not saying you're gonna. Whatever.

[A]

You've never been to Burning Man.

[B]

No.

[A]

Way back when, it was cool, okay?

[B]

The only way.

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It's all never been cool.

[B]

It's ridiculous.

[A]

You never bought into that.

[B]

It's ridiculous.

[A]

You haven't tried ketamine,

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the whole thing.

[A]

I don't know. Listen, there's a lot of people talking

[B]

about ketamine on the phone yesterday. It was like, two Alpha. This is what happens when two Alphas get together, butt heads, and. Let's just say the cameras weren't on. But it is one nothing me, okay?

[A]

Oh, really? Is that how we're starting?

[B]

It is one nothing me, okay?

[A]

So you've edited the first part of this, and we're just gonna, like, jump right into. It's one. Nothing new.

[B]

So the book, it's not like a celebration, by the way.

[A]

You shouldn't be so competitive. It's not zero. Zero sum together, man. We're all in this together. Yeah. Your success is my. We're all in this together.

[B]

No, no, no.

[A]

You don't buy that?

[B]

No, no.

[A]

Are you one of those people that begrudge other people's success like, you? Just like, damn, man.

[B]

If they suck, if it's like the squad, if it's the team and they're eating, that's great. You're good. I'm happy for this.

[A]

I used to be.

[B]

This guy's gonna win Academy Award. This guy is.

[A]

This guy right now.

[B]

He's unbelievable, talented.

[A]

Well, as long as we edit a few of the things and we'll be all right. Are you an editor or just a cinematographer?

[B]

No, with the camera there, he's just a cinematographer, director of. Photographer.

[A]

Yeah. It's not.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Forgive me. Is that it? Do you pay him accordingly? Why are they laughing, man?

[B]

He does a.

[A]

What is that? What is. How are you guys all doing here?

[B]

He's doesn't have doc. He's undocumented. Unionized.

[A]

What is this?

[B]

Shut the up. Oh, okay. Oh, wow. The chess match continue. The chess match continue. Okay, I guess this is a very confessional book. It kind of ends right before your gubernatorial term. It's much more about where you come from and who you are. So, like, when someone reads this book, which I'm sure everyone.

[A]

Unbelievable.

[B]

You're gonna get day two. Buy the book. Buy the book. We're.

[A]

The best way to buy it is in bulk.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Go to Costco, buy a packet. What kind of. What. What do you. What do you want people to know about you? What do you think the message is?

[A]

Well, then I'm not this politician. I mean, this is about me.

[B]

You are a politician.

[A]

I know, but that. But the political side. I'm a work in progress. I'm human. I make mistakes. I'm not trying to be something I'm not. I'm trying to actually express that I tried to be someone I was not. And I walked through that. I put a mask on and I tried to be, you know, try to strike a pose. Tried to be what people expected me to be. And I didn't, you know, made mistakes. I didn't feel good about myself. Insecurities, anxieties. And so I scrutinized all that, man. I dove deep. And it was a five year process. And I call it a memoir of discovery because I didn't even understand all this stuff about my background, my life, my parents. My mom died 20 years ago, my dad died right after I got elected. And I never had a chance to talk to them about their childhood and their backgrounds and their struggles. And so this allowed me to do that. And I just, it was. I learned about this house of secrets.

[B]

How did you do it? Did you interview people like yeah, yeah,

[A]

I went back, I got FBI files. I didn't know there was tons of FBI files in the family. I didn't know my grandfather was close to Oppenheimer. I had. Someone had randomly mentioned. I didn't know about his suicide and what led to it. I didn't know that he was a prisoner of war after marching in Corregidor in World War II. I didn't know about my dad's forays into some interesting mob related issues as it relates to old San Francisco back in the day. They didn't know my. The origin story of the Newsoms was an Irish cop. And my dad used to say he didn't know what came first, the Irish cop or San Francisco. And so you just start to learn about all that and it certain makes sense. All of a sudden you're like, that's why this is interesting. Or that's why my father did this 20 years ago. Or that's why they got divorced. I didn't know why my parents got divorced.

[B]

Because your dad lost two races.

[A]

Yeah, lost two races. Why? My mom said don't get into politics. I didn't know why she didn't want me to get in politics. But it wrecked their marriage, it wrecked her youth, her life. She was 19 and he was how old?

[B]

32?

[A]

33, man, 33, as he described it. Scandal.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, she's 19, bro. That's ridiculous. Imagine being like 19 and a couple years later with two kids and you come from no money, man. In a broken household. I mean her family mess. In terms of just how she was.

[B]

Her mother was a, was a Red, right. Her mother moved to the Soviet Union.

[A]

She was a Soviet Union. Pretty cool trigger addus. That was her station. She was an actress.

[B]

She was an actress. That was in the song. It's like that movie Reds.

[A]

Yeah. And then her. And that's why. Thus the FBI files on her parents, that they were, you know, they, they were, you know, they're very involved in, you know, in social justice and economic and racial justice. My great great grandmother, suffragette back in the day. So it's interesting, this advocacy that ran through it, but she didn't talk about that. No one talked about. I didn't know about it until I wrote this book.

[B]

One thing that's unique about you is that America is a place where no one's from somewhere for five generations.

[A]

Yeah, it's weird.

[B]

You're a fifth generation San Franciscan. This isn't like a thing in this country. Like people aren't tied to a geographical place.

[A]

I want to make the point you're making because you just reminded me of something. No bs. When I was mayor, I think I was at one point, I was the only elected official in San Francisco from San Francisco.

[B]

Really?

[A]

And it was like used against me.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like I remember saying when I grew up, you know, in the marina, people are like, who the fuck do you think you are, man? I was like, I don't know. I just grew up here. I talked about the old neighborhood. They're like, what, some elitist.

[B]

Where was everyone else from? Burning Man.

[A]

Yeah. You know what that, that San Francisco is like. Someone described it as 47 square miles surrounded by reality. Right. A city of dreamers. Reality. Oakland East.

[B]

Yeah.

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Vallejo. Hercules. You remember Hercules? It's still there.

[B]

Do you ever ghost ride the whip?

[A]

No, I haven't. Yeah.

[B]

Oh, yeah. A lot of my friends actually hurt themselves severely in high school trying to go to ride the whip. Have you ever heard the whistle go whoop, whoop? What's the whistle doing, by the way?

[A]

One of the things you got to do, no bs. Like to really appreciate San Francisco, you got to walk the cable, the Golden Gate Bridge to the top.

[B]

It sounds scary.

[A]

It's off the chart. Amazing. Really done it twice. It is too scary. Zen, like relaxing. You want beauty, man. That you get. You look at that. You look down at Alcatraz, you see the skyline of San Francisco. The Farallon Islands. All the great white sharks are. Marin county, you know, eat your heart out. All those folks on Fox just talking down to my old city. Such a. It's like. It is a spectacular place. And so five generations there, my kids, six generations, which is crazy. We finally moved.

[B]

You're starting the fire, Is that right?

[A]

They started.

[B]

They started the fire.

[A]

He started in 06. I remember. You know, one of the coolest things. I was there. I didn't write about this. There's they called valley. There's beautiful Lottos. Fountain is where everyone came after the earthquake. And it was like the only working water. And remember, it wasn't the fire. It wasn't. Excuse me. Wasn't the earthquake that destroyed the city was the great fire afterwards. And so people started to descend on this area. And we had the hundredth anniversary when I was mayor, 2006. And I remember going down and there was five or six survivors and we went live. I interviewed people at five in the morning, freezing cold, and there's these wonderful old ladies wrapped up and they looked all demure. And.

[B]

How old were they? 102.

[A]

Like. No, like 106. Seven. Crazy. And one of. And so we're live on. I think it was Today show or something. I'm trying to be the MC Mayor. Tell me, what do you remember that day? A few cute things. And then one woman says, oh, I remember getting frisky with my boyfriend in tennis.

[B]

That doesn't make sense. And I'm like, what are you, like,

[A]

14 years old or something?

[B]

I can't remember how she was 114.

[A]

I think she was making it up or something, but. But it was like she got.

[B]

Oh, she had dementia.

[A]

She got deep into the inappropriate stuff. And like, I'm live, I'm trying to act all. We're good and we'll be right back after.

[B]

And I went to the forest and

[A]

pulled my skirt off for the boys. Yeah. I was like. So anyway, that's San Francisco, man. It's, by the way, interesting. Just we're the flag of San Francisco is the phoenix.

[B]

Oh, I didn't know that.

[A]

Phoenix rising from the ashes of the 06.

[B]

That's pretty pimp.

[A]

Which I feel like is where we are today or where we'll be in the future after we're done with Trump.

[B]

Can I. Rapid fire quiz. San Francisco quiz. Who's the best San Francisco band ever, bro?

[A]

I was just with. I was with Bobby Ware's family.

[B]

Oh, it's a funeral.

[A]

Funeral, man. I mean, they gave me that.

[B]

It has to be. It has to be.

[A]

I mean, come up. But the dead are just so synonymous with everything.

[B]

How many shows have you been to?

[A]

Not many. And they actually rubbed that in when I was there.

[B]

But you did a little bit of.

[A]

No, in fact, I write about that. No, that was weird.

[B]

You said you never did.

[A]

No, it was weird. I never got into that.

[B]

So you stood there listening to Deedle Deedle Deedle for four hours, not doing any weed.

[A]

It was the opposite. You know, I was the first Dead concert I went to. I wasn't even in the concert I was working for. I wasn't working. I was volunteering for the Environmental Defense Fund. And I had a booth and I was out There promoting the environment. I was that guy.

[B]

Here's second question. What's the best San Francisco delicacy?

[A]

Oh, a Lucas. What is seriously asking me? You asked that. How you not know that?

[B]

A Lucas.

[A]

Lucas Deli on Chestnut Street.

[B]

Oh, delicatessen or delicacy?

[A]

Delicatessen.

[B]

Okay. Who is the best San Francisco football star who later played at USC and won the Heisman Trophy and then played for the Buffalo bills, ran for 2,000 yards in one season, was in the Naked Gun and then was falsely accused of who is the best?

[A]

And I ain't going to O.J. what are you talking about?

[B]

That's your goat, bro.

[A]

Back to the editing. I want to get. Can we edit this?

[B]

I'm saying, what's the best band, what's the best delicacy, and who is the best football standout star?

[A]

Come on. The best of the best Way to

[B]

USC won the Heisman Trophy playing for the Buffalo Bills.

[A]

No, the goat is Joe Montana, bro. Number 16. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

But he's not from there.

[A]

Five rings. What?

[B]

He's from SF.

[A]

He is. From my perspective. I don't know. Where did Joe grow up? I should know this. I've gotten to know him.

[B]

Probably Burning Man.

[A]

Everyone comes from Burning Man. They all just appeared from the middle of Earth and just all emerged.

[B]

Oh, God. Grow up. Okay.

[A]

I'm just saying.

[B]

Grow up. We're sculpting. What is it?

[A]

As a kid, were you injured by someone who went to Burning man or something?

[B]

No, it wasn't a thing of Burning Man.

[A]

What was it?

[B]

I just don't need to listen to the guys that are, like, quite frankly, going to ruin the world talking about drugs. And there's ketamine. Singularity.

[A]

Singularity. There is a little. By the way, those. You're on to some of those.

[B]

Those idiots. Like, yeah, they know all the problems in the world, but they think only they can solve them. And then they're oftentimes their solutions are just moronic solutions.

[A]

Thank you. Yeah, no, we're. Now, actually, I'm. I hear you. I got it. All right.

[B]

Did you see when. When Uber invented. They were like, it's called Uber, like, route. And you could just hop on and it goes on a route. And it just invented the bus.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, they acted like this. The new innovation. Yeah. I will say, there's such dildos those days.

[A]

They definitely destroyed the taxi industry, as we know. By the way, when you're in San Francisco, I saw Waymo just announced they're rolling out to 10 more cities. They've been in six. But that future started in San Francisco first. And I got no bullshit the other day. I have a picture. I think there were six waymos in front of me. Driverless cars in traffic. I mean, it's like this is. Stuff's happening in real time.

[B]

Have you been. Yes, there. It's a confident driver.

[A]

It's a confident.

[B]

I thought it would be like a granny, but the robot is confident.

[A]

It's confident. And then they have the Zooks, which are not even cars. They're just like little convention things. By the way, the flying cars are coming too, for the Olympics. They're going to have the first sort of quad flying cars. So that's the. That's the next iteration. It's all Jetsons are here, man. Not the Flintstones. Yeah, but you don't like that either.

[B]

Can we just go to the doctor? I guess.

[A]

I went to your third story bathroom, man. That's old school. So that's maybe, you know.

[B]

You were a suit kid to school.

[A]

I was kind of. I was a dork. I told you. My sister said that she like was very. I was trying to be like Remington. Yeah. I love Pierce Bronson.

[B]

Pierce Brosnan.

[A]

I don't know. I love Pierce Brosnan. So I'll admit that I love.

[B]

But did you chill at a. I wanted to be that other suit guys or.

[A]

You were the only. I was the only. I was complete loser. I mean absolute loser. I had a Flock of Seagull haircut. Look it up. You guys are too young.

[B]

You don't know.

[A]

We know what it is. We're not you back in the day. And it was. It was bad, man. It was bad.

[B]

But like, bad suit bad grades is psychotic.

[A]

Yeah. No, I was. I was struggling, man.

[B]

Suit bad grades. Crazy.

[A]

Why is that?

[B]

It's just crazy. I didn't like. You're. You're a suit bad grades. But I don't buy. I think you're a liar because I

[A]

thought it was a liar there. I got photos.

[B]

But you bet 460. I was pretty good your senior year. And you were suit bad.

[A]

I was pretty good bad grades.

[B]

460.

[A]

But I was a pretty good athlete back then. Now you have to be, you know, like. I mean like eighth graders could are better than I was in high school today. But dude, no, I was like basketball, baseball. And that saved me, man. Sports saved me. Got me into college. That's how you get into college. About the 900 or whatever.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah. You don't have to.

[B]

Why are you doing this? You're doing like Jewish comedy with this book, like. And my mother sent me to the. To my analyst. Oh, look at. Look at this. Look at the. Everyone look. Do you think.

[A]

Okay, what do you.

[B]

This is a suit guy.

[A]

That was it.

[B]

Yeah. There's his virginity at 11. Okay.

[A]

That's not, by the way, coolest guy I've ever seen my life tell. No, that's a senior in high. I was senior in high school.

[B]

So you become cool at that point.

[A]

By the way, you see the Flock of Seagull haircut under the hat? It's barely.

[B]

Barely a flock dip. Making it sound like you were gothic you.

[A]

They had a little thing I'll never forget. I think it was. I can't remember her name. Tracy. Whatever. She was one of the lords. Dippity, you know, Dippity do. Dippity do. Gavin. Gavin. It was like one of those we love, you know, some weird cheer.

[B]

Had a cheer for you.

[A]

It was like a cheer. I.

[B]

One thing I don't know I tossed around in my mind is like. Is this like a preemptive, like, defense of, like, things that you get hit on? Because you look like. You look like. Just like your dad is CEO of the money company. Right. You look incredible. I mean, he's one of the hottest guys ever. And politics is ugly. Politics is ugly people, right?

[A]

Oh, well, yeah.

[B]

You have to chill with. It's Hollywood Gremlins.

[A]

Hollywood.

[B]

You're like. You're walking around, you're like. The talent is not. But what I'm saying is this is like. It's like you're saying, like. No, My mother struggled. She had multiple jobs.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Three jobs. All our lives. She died, you know, as I said, 20 years ago.

[B]

Tell us about your dad.

[A]

My dad was. He wasn't around. He disappeared when we were kids. He ran for supervisors, county supervisor, state senate, lost. Said he was broke and broke in and then just took off and went to Lake Tahoe region and near Truckee. Became an attorney up there and eventually became a judge. But he was. He was. He was an activist judge. So it was like social justice, racial justice, environmental justice. That's why I was out there with edf, Environmental Defense Fund. He was on the board at the Dead concert. So he always. There was always cause oriented. You always had social justice. And that was. That was the influence he provided. But was my mom's ethic hard work and grit. But what happened and what I write about in here is my. The perception of me, besides the blue suits and, you know, all that was the association with the Getty Family, which is a wealthy family.

[B]

Your dad was like a consigliere kind of to one of the sons. Yeah.

[A]

It was just. He grew up with two of the kids in high school, and they used. They basically were raised by my grandfather. They used to show up at Boss Newsom and they called him Boss back then, and they just became Boss back in the day, but just became incredibly close, including, by the way, my dad was Paul Getty's godson, or godfather, who's one who had his ear cut off. Was kidnapped in the ransom.

[B]

Your dad did deliver the.

[A]

He didn't do the direct ransom, but he was deeply part of it, which I describe in the book. And it was sort of a sort of worldwide phenomenon back in the day. And sort of that Dolce Vitae, 70s day. One of the world's first billionaires was J. Paul Getty. Like, actually one of the first. Yeah. And he refused to provide the ransom for his grandson. It became an issue, and he eventually only did. Well, he said. He said, I got 13 others or 20 others, however many. He said, now I'd be writing a check for all of them.

[B]

That is crazy.

[A]

You're a billionaire. And so the guy. So what they did, they cut his ear off. They're like, we need business. And they put it in an envelope. And there was a strike, an Italian strike. So it didn't arrive in the mail for a while, and it was kind of deteriorated. And Paul Lucky survived because they gave him a date, certain that they would take his other ear and other parts of his body off. And eventually the ear arrived and there was a freckle on it that his mom recognized to verify it. And that's when they got very serious about getting him home.

[B]

One thing I was, like, wondering is, like, your dad had a relationship with one of the children where he was kind of like, ran his investments.

[A]

Yeah, he was.

[B]

Personal wealth.

[A]

Yeah, he's working for one. There's many, like the family trust. Yeah. And so he. After he was judge and retired from judge, he began a more formal role. He was always.

[B]

Did that help. Did that help your mom?

[A]

No, he didn't get. In fact, I talk about how much he got paid, which was less than I got paid as governor. So he didn't. He never made any money. I mean, significant money. There's a perception that he made a ton of money. He died. My dad died with a house in the gold country. Very conservative. Sounds rich. Sounds rich because it's.

[B]

Yeah, it sounds very rich to me.

[A]

An old cabin in Dutch Flat, California, with Two mortgages and his inheritance was all these books that I talk about never reading because I have dyslexia. Pretty bad learning. Yeah. That's not my jam. That's the 960. And so anyway, I talk about that in relationship to some of the academic struggles, my reading struggles, which, you know, I don't read speeches today. I don't like. I'm a politician that doesn't read a speech because I can't read a speech. And that may not be interesting. And many of that people, maybe they'll go, oh, that's why you're so bored and bad. I get it. You know, those that hate me.

[B]

Well, did it help you learn how to schmooze?

[A]

Yeah. Yeah, because you're more. You just, you pick up a room, you talk about whether or not people are unionized, how much they're getting paid, and you know, you just, you feel a different vibe.

[B]

You have no idea, no idea what I'm coming for.

[A]

Yeah, I got your back.

[B]

I'm a nerd.

[A]

What's your pension?

[B]

I'm 6:3 and I'm a nerd. The book.

[A]

You don't have a pension.

[B]

Why don't you write a book about. You have the biggest.

[A]

Are you doing full time healthcare?

[B]

Yes, I am. Boys. How's the health guy?

[A]

Give it up for the boys. Maybe I won't get all this.

[B]

Give it up for the boys.

[A]

Yeah. Sickly though. What do you got?

[B]

Maybe, maybe you can help me by. I don't have to pay for it. We could do it through the taxes. I don't really know much about dyslexia, but whatever they want to do in the Castro district is fine by me.

[A]

When was the last time you heard Castro?

[B]

Constantly. Every day.

[A]

By the way. You know what you need to do? A lot of people go to the Castro street fair. You got to do the false street fair.

[B]

That's like the bondage one.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You go to that. You say, vote for me to a gimp.

[A]

I never, never forget the first time I got there. I want to say what I'm going to say. I'm not going to say it because I still am in. I still, I. I'm facing even more.

[B]

Recall you saw one of the biggest penises you've ever seen in your life.

[A]

I've got what you. You. I could never unsee what I saw.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah, I'm looking at it right now. I just. But I can't share it.

[B]

We're jumping around a bit, but like the first time I became aware of you Was like you were like performing gay marriages. Like, you were kind of the first. You kind of like invented it. You kind of came up with the idea of two fellers gay. Do you think that it made San Francisco a place like that for like, gay. That gay people like to live in?

[A]

We married 4,036 couples for 46 states. Six countries. In the winter, not summer of love. February 2004 in San Francisco, man, it was off the charts. Amazing. Like next level. Just spirit, pride. The stuff that pilot. You can't legislate that. It just. It happens. People coming together. Pilots and firefighters, doctors. So extraordinary. Because nothing about it was that extraordinary. It's just about love, man. It was just about people expressing their love, faith and devotion and partnership. And that energy was, you know, just. It inspires, you know, just a mindset of what public service can and should be. It also was against the law.

[B]

And they sent you to Alcatraz Design.

[A]

You know, he's working on. Well, no, he's. Well, he's doing the $400 million Kremlin Imperial palace there. But he's spending your tax dollars now reviewing whether to turn Alcatraz back into a federal prison.

[B]

That'd be kind of cool, actually.

[A]

The Rock wasn't that great?

[B]

Movie so sick.

[A]

That was when movies were great.

[B]

The nuclear. Yeah, yeah. So. So that's good. And that was great San Francisco flick. Thank you.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

We got to go back to the Rock.

[A]

The Rock.

[B]

Yeah. I want to talk to you first of all. I really appreciate your time and I think we've done enough of this grab assing and you know, you know, why

[A]

don't we start the interview?

[B]

You have an announcement to make.

[A]

What is that?

[B]

So why don't you. Go ahead.

[A]

Boxers. What do you mean?

[B]

What do you. Come on. You promise.

[A]

What's the announcement?

[B]

It's big for. It would be big for the show.

[A]

Unbelievable.

[B]

Just do it for me, dude.

[A]

Come on.

[B]

Honestly, I was nice enough to have you on. Even if you take.

[A]

What's your favorite Beatles say?

[B]

Psych. I'm not running for president. Just say it on the show. I'll get a clip. It'll go viral. It'll be. It'll be good for me. I was nice enough to invite you.

[A]

You are nice enough to invite me. And I haven't been nice enough to. To organize your staff, get them the kind of healthcare and pension they deserve.

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah. You were nice enough to write a book like they all do before they

[A]

announce that they're politician with a book. I'm surprised you had me on.

[B]

But your book is called I'm not Cool. Actually, Even though you're 63 and like a piece of 6 2, you're a folk. I can't even look at you. I can't even look at you. California is what, the fourth largest economy at this point?

[A]

$4.3 trillion a year.

[B]

The attitude in America isn't like, oh, these big. Just because they're so big and strong, they look down on us. The attitude is like poop covered, hobo infested hellscape.

[A]

Right? Yeah. Pisses me off.

[B]

So the question is, honestly, obviously you, you've explained that this is like something that kind of the Murdoch sphere has pushed for 20 years. That makes total sense. But like if you are being attacked on those grounds directly, you're meeting someone, or let's not even attack. Let's say you meet someone in the middle of the country.

[A]

Yeah, right.

[B]

Some guy at the Iowa State Fair. He's eating fried or whatever. Are you gonna have to eat fried at the Iowa?

[A]

No, it's. Is it, wait, it's five fried butter fried. You know, you're literally.

[B]

You had a restaurant, you had a nice restaurant, you're like, oh, I love this fried turd.

[A]

No, it's. Come on.

[B]

If someone comes up to you roots and they say you are a governor of a failed state, like if they say to you, your shit sucks. Yeah, it's your fault.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You let in busloads of hobos and illegals. This is a common perception. How do you address a person directly?

[A]

Well, I mean, we can talk about the fact we went from the sixth largest economy, the fourth largest economy. We could talk about the fact we went from 49 to 58 Fortune 500 headquarter companies, more than any other state in the nation. We could talk about having more scientists, engineers, more Nobel laureates, the finest system of higher education anywhere in the world. We could talk about the fact we're the center of innovation and entrepreneurialism with AI, with quantum, with robotics, with autonomy dominating in research and development, is the third largest R& D center in the world. We could talk about being the most diverse state and the world's most diverse democracy. And we're living and advancing together across our differences. We can talk about it being a tonic for our toxic politics. We can talk about how California's energy endearing across a spectrum of issues. On climate change, on social policy, on racial policies and social justice policies are the dominant policies that have influenced more change across this country than any other state. I could begin There. And then I can get to the details of what the issue that they want me to address is and try to balance that.

[B]

Okay. I'm a guy, like, in Dayton, Ohio. I don't know what any of that means. I just heard it's covered in poop and stuff.

[A]

Yeah, exactly.

[B]

So just so exactly. Why don't you just start with the. Why don't you say, like, bro, it's mad nice. It's California. It's mad nice.

[A]

We have the beach.

[B]

It's gorgeous. Like, just come visit. It's mad nice, actually. Right. That's what people say about New York

[A]

after you're a burning man. Come to California. It's mad nice.

[B]

It's nice.

[A]

It's nice.

[B]

It's a nice place. They have nice restaurants, they got beaches.

[A]

Just tell the guy that deserts you like the mountains.

[B]

That guy's not gonna care about clean air. The Nobel laureates.

[A]

You don't like all the economic vibrancy

[B]

it's really n about. But I'm saying, a regular guy who 20 years that it sucks. Yeah, just be like, bro, just come through. It's nice.

[A]

It's nice.

[B]

Come right.

[A]

By the way, this is.

[B]

It's actually gorgeous.

[A]

Why do I have political consultants? No, no, like, actually, like. No. Like, everyone is watching. This is like their team, like two to nothing right now.

[B]

Say, bro, it's nice.

[A]

No, it's bad. I just got my ass kicked.

[B]

Right.

[A]

100. I sound like a politician. Yeah. Going through litmus. Just. It's mad nice, man. Come on. Beautiful, man.

[B]

I mean it.

[A]

I love it. In Venice Beach.

[B]

You think he feels me?

[A]

Santa Monica. I'm dead serious.

[B]

I thank you, bro.

[A]

No, I appreciate the vibe. And it's a California vibe, which is ironic.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Just be like, dude, yeah, California dreaming, man.

[B]

There's hot girls. There's nice. It's just nice.

[A]

The west coast has the sunshine, the weather's good, and the girls are, you know. Yeah.

[B]

You know, it just like, have you heard the Beach Boys? Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

By the way, you know what? That is the vibe we need back. See, I'm not even. I'm not. I'm dead serious. I appreciate this. You're right. You're 100% what happens. And by the way, I write about this in the book, but that's what I. There's. I have this defensiveness about a lot of this stuff, and that comes across. And it comes across as slick and bullshitty and you called it out. I appreciate that.

[B]

You're doing like the eight mile thing where you're like, I live in a trailer.

[A]

It's like. But it's actually true. But it was true.

[B]

It's like, I'm hot. I'm hotter than the rest. By the way,

[A]

my mom deserves me to tell her truth. And so I told the truth. But look, I connected a lot with

[B]

the story of her passing because I was there for my mother's passing five years ago.

[A]

What were you doing?

[B]

Well, I'd like you to share your story from. From the book first. And then.

[A]

Yeah, that was. That was intense, man. I mean it. So you literally went through the same thing?

[B]

Well, I wasn't, like, busy. I was, like, there for three months.

[A]

Okay, so through the whole.

[B]

Yeah, you were like the mayor.

[A]

I was. I was an ass. You know, I was a little piece of shit. Yeah, son, that was not paying attention to her. She calls me, leaves a voice message and says, if you want to see me, you should see me before next Thursday because that'll be my last day. And I'm like, that's a hell of a voice message.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And called my sister and like, what's going on? She goes, well, you haven't been around. You should pay attention. Mom is doing an assisted suicide, and it was illegal back then. It was 20 years ago. And so she got a courageous doctor, and I started spending a little time with her, sort of, you know, talk about a pattern erupt in life. Get your shit together. Focus on what matters, not just yourself and what you're trying to achieve and be. And it was intense, man. I went there. Everyone spend time with my mom in the room in the back. Everyone's in the living room in her apartment. And she just wanted to be with my sister and I as the doctor gave her the final, you know, whatever the cocktail was. Doctor leaves and says it's all set. Just quietly disappears. My sister on one side, I'm on the other side. We're looking through all her old photos, the sort of 70s type photographs, and she's just. Oh, I remember there. And then she's having a hard time breathing. My sister just panics and just takes off and she's like, can I say go? And I didn't know what to do. And I was like. So I was there with her by myself in those last sort of violent breaths. And then just put my head on her stomach and was there quietly for another 10, 15 minutes, just bawling and what? You know, just reflecting on what a piece of shit I was. Not 10 minutes.

[B]

What impact did that experience? What did that change?

[A]

I hated her pissed me off. I was like, don't do that. Yeah, don't, don't like. Who allows their kids to be there to go through this?

[B]

I think most, a lot of people do it that way.

[A]

Yeah, I just felt that at the time. I felt because I saw my sister breaking down, I'm like the pain she was struggling with. I was so glad she wasn't there to experience that. But no bullshit. And I write a lot about it over the process of a five year period. It's why that memoir, discovery, man. I'm now holding her hand. That breath is my breath. I don't want to like be modeling about it. And I'm so thankful to her that she gave me that privilege. And it took years to understand that.

[B]

Have you considered that she wanted to be with you and your sister at that moment? Right?

[A]

Yeah. No surprise. She wanted the last thing she saw. Yeah, man. It was make me. Yeah. And I remember the last words she said. Hey, man. Yeah, that's. You don't get those things back. And so, you know, when you're asshole in a hurry, you know, this is like, I'm growing up, man, and every day I'm growing up and trying to be a better father. I've got 10 year old tomorrow, 12, 14, 16 year old and better husband. And so that's, that's the journey I'm on, man.

[B]

Yeah, I, I, I had the same experience. I, I think I told my dad I didn't want to be there. My dad said, that's your choice, obviously. And then I, and it ended up that I was there. Yeah, it was like it was the right thing.

[A]

She like, was it, was it at home or is it. Yeah, it was at home.

[B]

Yeah. Well, it was like the first three months of COVID she had brain cancer. So, yeah, we were all there together.

[A]

God bless.

[B]

Yeah, she was the best. She was twin. She was twin. I was very close with her.

[A]

Yeah. How old was she?

[B]

She was 20.

[A]

20.

[B]

58 or 68.

[A]

68.

[B]

Too young.

[A]

Too young. Yeah.

[B]

Really, really low.

[A]

My mom was, I'm much older than my mom when she passed away, which is, by the way, when you get to that age, that's, that's a hell of a birthday when you outlive your parents. When you meet that moment where you're like, jesus, my mom died at the age I am.

[B]

You're like, yeah.

[A]

So you just, you start to count blessings, man. And the days, you know, the finality of it, you know, momento mori. You know, you can walk around with that this notion, the finality of this.

[B]

What was the issue? She was just hard on you? She was, like, exhausted from work. And then she, like, told you you were average?

[A]

Yeah, man. Because I was. I was struggling. I was bouncing out of schools and, you know, always faking being sick. And, you know, I honestly, like. You know, people have certain degrees of dyslexia. I, like, literally couldn't do books. I faked reading. I was. Got into Cliff Notes. I'd copy the Cliff Notes and submit a book report. You know, getting caught, I mean, it's pathetic.

[B]

I used to cheat a lot. Do you.

[A]

What kind of.

[B]

It was out of laziness.

[A]

Yeah. Because the 1600 SAT, it was too easy. I just got bored. But, yeah, no, for me, it was, like, desperation. Anyway, so she. One night, I'm just, you know, she's trying to put me to bed. She's back late from, you know, work, and I'm not going to bed. I'm crying, you know, and she's like, it's okay to be average. Like, just. And I'm like, fuck you.

[B]

That's really nice, actually, to say.

[A]

And you don't have to get straight. I felt at the time that wasn't harsh in hindsight, but it was harsh at the moment. And it was her just saying, it's okay to be yourself. See, I didn't see it like that.

[B]

My parents told me it wasn't acceptable not to get straight A's.

[A]

I never. Never had that expectation.

[B]

My parents are Chinese

[A]

Tiger. Tiger parents.

[B]

Yeah, they're Mandarin. No, I totally, like, understand it. It does change completely everything, you know.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It changes your perception of kind of what the point of everything is. And I feel like I. I feel like you. It seems as if you've got it here. Got there now. It's a very raw perspective. Do you feel like politicians have to, like, be more. I don't know. We, like, didn't know that FDR was in a wheelchair, Right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So Kennedy was just, like, slaying.

[A]

Yeah. You know, it's like. Barely could have. His back was moving.

[B]

He's.

[A]

And all pumped up with all kinds of.

[B]

We didn't know his body was broke. Yeah. Like, you know, we didn't know that Reagan was a senile. Like. No, I mean, you know, like, do you think that that's the problem? There's aspect of public life now that you have to disclose. You have to. Because of the. I guess a concept of authenticity that, like, you have to kind of be more forthcoming because people respond to it more.

[A]

I Think it's, I think, the proverbial over tin window, as they refer to it, but, you know, it provides a little bit more latitude and grace in that respect. But I think, I think you can't get through this nowadays without people just like calling the bullshit like you did on my answer on California. And I honestly, I think people just want. Just be your. Be yourself, man. Let it go. Yeah. And that's what this book is. It's me, as I said, scrutinizing, not sanitizing who I am. And you may not like me even more. You may not like me more because of this conversation. It is what it is, man. I can't control that. And it's. I always was trying to do that. I was always trying to control things. That's why I put gel on. That's why I put the suits on in high school. That's why I tried to be like people. I wasn't. That's why I was trying to always be something and not spend time with my mom like I should have, and, you know, and people and family and friends. And so I went. So I think, you know, I went through this recall in California. They almost took me out. And I'll tell you, I don't, you know, no one gives a shit. But when you're on the receiving end of the humility of having a recall qualify when you literally.

[B]

You mogged. You, you. You did. No, but honestly, it was a non presidential election year. It was a special election.

[A]

Special election.

[B]

You won by a landslide. But enough people were like, I'm gonna go.

[A]

They made a mistake.

[B]

I'm going to the polls to be like that. I want to save Gavin.

[A]

Right. It was wild because the people that

[B]

want to vote against you really want to vote against you. Right. And you also were lucky you didn't have Arnold Schwarzenegger, otherwise you would. If you ran against fucking Conan the Barbarian dude, Ray Davis was fucked.

[A]

You know, you know, California, we're gonna, you know, wake up, you know, this stage, you know, you know, these Democrats, you know, you know, they don't. So stupid, you know, slow in looking at your career.

[B]

I see like three inflection points kind of that were just like. There's.

[A]

I was one of them.

[B]

There's. That is the third, I would say, kind of like the gay marriage.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then running against the. The big dog. Getting Leno'd, basically. Right? Yeah. Like, you know how they gave code in the Tonight show, then Leno wanted to come back. Yeah, yeah. So Jerry Brown kind of.

[A]

Oh, yeah. Interesting. That's interesting. You picked that up. That's actually. Wow.

[B]

So that's the second inflection point.

[A]

You do need to give your staff a raise. It's impressive.

[B]

They're not doing. Dude, it's all the audience. This guy Thomas is.

[A]

You said he wouldn't get some damn Academy Award, so apparently he's good at that.

[B]

From Home Depot. I got us at the Depot.

[A]

I thought we were at Costco. You talked about buy my book in bulk.

[B]

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[A]

I was going to make you my liaison to Burning man, dude.

[B]

I that your first.

[A]

My psychedelics are. You can, you know, work on business.

[B]

Is ICBM straight to Burning Man. Okay. Jesus.

[A]

Wipes up for him.

[B]

Icbm?

[A]

Yeah. What do you think with the whole singular? It freaks you out, doesn't it? Are you into AI? How panicked are you about AI? Seriously? Scale like 1 to 10? Is it like, are you. It's over. You know, we're all going to be computer chip or this is a computer.

[B]

Is this.

[A]

Are we.

[B]

I don't have enough time, you know? Yeah. Like, people call me about stuff and I like, I'm like, really? My sister's like mad about the east wing of the White House. And I'm like, she should be okay. It's Trump. He's obviously gonna build some gross crap.

[A]

The people contributing to it are getting special deals using tax dollars. Crony capitalism.

[B]

There are concentrations in the country, right?

[A]

Well, that's a fact too, right?

[B]

I don't care about a ballroomism much

[A]

as I get that people are getting

[B]

just as mad about that. Or like we're like we're funding a genocide. We're like, there are concentration camps in America. And like, you're from California, right? Yeah, I'm from the. I'm from the western part of the country. Like, I grew up around a lot of Latinos. And like, you worked in restaurant, you're at restaurant industry. Like, these are people that fundamentally just want to make more money for their families. They work their asses off. They don't complain about anything. After what you your say went through in Los Angeles with the Marines, you know, I realized I just kind of went to the office the next day. You know, life kind of continues as normal. What it like, what do you do?

[A]

This resonates with me because I'm like, why is everyone going to their office? Why aren't people waking up to what's going on?

[B]

There's a fucking cage in Florida, right, right now, today. What do we do?

[A]

Just because I. What you just said is really important and I love the way you said it and I like sort of the outrage that you expressed. So last June, this all started when Donald Trump federalized 4,000 National Guard in California and sent 700 active duty Marines, not overseas, but to the second largest city in the United States of America and war with his own country. Sent 5,000 troops. Talk about communities on edge.

[B]

I've never seen that in my lifetime.

[A]

No. And he also sent out this guy dressed up as if he just came off a movie set. The Folsom street from the 1930s. No, bro, I wish it was the. If it was a Falson street, we would be in a very different place. It was right out of the 1930s. I mean, with the Himmler haircut, Greg Bovino in his Masked Men, where people are disappearing, cars are being smashed, windows are smashed. People quite literally on edge. Racially profiled with sanction of the United States Supreme Court in their shadow docket that allows racial profiling on the basis of skin color, where you congregate or your accent. That's happening in the United States of America today. And that's why we drew the line. And I shifted. I don't know if you've seen some of my social media. It literally shifted because I was fucked a lot now. Yeah. That's why I'm counting on my cinematographer edit all that. But like, fuck, no bullshit. I'm like, why are people more pissed off? Why aren't you more outraged? Why are you going like you. Why'd you go to work the next day? And I'm sued to your question. So we're filing lawsuits. We're trying to call this shit out. We're trying to put a mirror up to Donald Trump. That's why we ban private prisons in the state of California. That's why we have most progressive laws as it relates to getting masked men saying, you can't unmask these masked men, saying, I was fighting first law, saying, you can't wear a f. Cking mask. You got to show your id. You got to tell us who you're from. I mean, if some guy dressed up, was in a mask, sort of comes around me, I'm going to fight back. It's a miracle. There's been more violence. And now these sons of bitches are killing American citizens. I mean, this is a private police force, a secret police force that has taken the oath of office to Trump, not the Constitution of the United States. It should outrage and infuriate everybody. And so I'm trying to exercise it legislatively, legally, using my voice, trying to get more aggressive and bowing back at Trump. I think I've been pretty aggressive against Trump by standards, you know, comparative standards.

[B]

And I think you've stared him down.

[A]

I punch a bully in the mouth, fight fire with fire, did a little redistricting stuff, Prop 50 in California. And every day the motherfucker's attacking me. I mean, two days, new scum. You know, all this sort of 8th grade bully bullshit.

[B]

Like, what I'm seeing is, like, there's this guy watching YouTube in the white House, and then he saw a video about Somalis and didn't realize that they were 98% legal. And then now, you know, Mexican people in Minneapolis are getting their fucking skulls bashed because of, like, a huge. Basically, he's arbitrarily just fucking with different Democratic states and cities.

[A]

Yeah, it's what it all has in common. And by the way, and he went into Democratic cities run by African American mayors as well. This guy's a piece of shit.

[B]

Are you calling your. Oh, no, no.

[A]

I mean, this is the guy that put out the Obama video just a few weeks ago. I mean, you know, and that didn't even get as much outrageous as it deserved of Michelle Obama and Barack Obama. This is the birther guy. This the guy called, you know, countries, shit, all countries. I mean, it's. Connect all these damn dots. These guys want to roll back, you know, the last half century on racial justice, on issues of voting rights, civil rights, LGBTQ rights, women's rights. You've seen it. I mean, anyway, so this, like, for me, it's code red. People need to wake up. We can lose this country. I really believe that. I talked about rigging the election before. I wasn't bullshitting about that. He doesn't believe in fair and free elections. He's a competitive authoritarian, which means he wants elections. The veneer one. Just like Putin, who got 87.3% of the vote last year.

[B]

Oh, good for him.

[A]

Right. Just to show his largesse. And you saw it on display last night, this sort of vulgar display.

[B]

You watched it?

[A]

Yeah. You know the state of, you know, red state.

[B]

You watched the whole thing?

[A]

I watched until the end and then

[B]

I was prepping for Gavin Newsom. I could watch it.

[A]

You were reading my book. You weren't. I.

[B]

No, I finished your book, but I'm, I'm actually, I'm actually not cool. I actually don't get.

[A]

You didn't watch it. You didn't watch the longest State of the Union in American history as a historic.

[B]

Was there any funny? There was no funny parts, though.

[A]

Funny.

[B]

Yeah. He didn't say anything.

[A]

I mean, I thought the funny part

[B]

is he was like Arnold Palmer's dick is bigger than they used to say. The biggest dick.

[A]

Yeah. Isn't it amazing the he said all the time.

[B]

It's just less fun, you know?

[A]

It is less fun. It doesn't feel derivative. It does feel. It's, it's. The show is not as interesting.

[B]

The truth is this, right, like the first term, we didn't see stuff like this. We heard people talk about Russia and some James Bond conspiracy theory crap. And then we were told by the Democratic Party that in this last election, this is the most important election ever. And then Joe Biden made it seem like they didn't actually think it was the most important election. If they sent him out on a debate stage like that. Like if it's the most important election ever. If you're saving democracy, you're not going to do that. The Democratic Party isn't going to. They're going to take more seriously.

[A]

The problem is everyone thinks there's like six people in a room, smoke filled room, and we got ashtrays like this and we're deciding who the. You know, that's a black and white movie.

[B]

That's even more depressing.

[A]

It's so diffused. The party is many. It's DCCs, it's D. You know, it's all the state parties. It's, it's all of us is. The party is Clinton. It's a composite of bombers. It's. It's Pelosi, but it's Jeffries, it's Schumer. And so there was no, there's no sort of centralization of that kind of decision making is my point.

[B]

Well, speaking of what is the party like in the light of like Joe Biden was doing family separations, like, you know, like a lot of these, like, you know, under Obama, like ICE was dramatically Expanded. Like, I think that there has to be kind of a conversation amongst your caucus as to, like, what morally they stand for, because it really runs the gamut. There are people that are, like, making a lot of money, you know, in the stock market. They're wolves of war.

[A]

The inside training is gross, man. I mean, and the role of open door for lobbyists is gross. And the fact you can be there for 73 years. Come on. There's. But, yeah.

[B]

How long was fireside there? 750 years.

[A]

And that was hard, man. I was. God, I remember, by the way, you know, it was hard. I have a story that I would share privately with you because she was such a powerful force in my life and supporter of mine, but it was hard near the end and, you know, I was with her talking about some Pentagon satellite issues related to climate and how we can. Early fire detection. Near the end with her. And I didn't know how bad it

[B]

was until, you know, was talking about this satellite.

[A]

No, she was. No, I was talking about that, but she. She was talking about other things.

[B]

I used to go to the forest and pull my skirt.

[A]

It was. It was. But she, you know, look, she's. She's a legend.

[B]

What does it look like to be president after Trump? Like, what? It's like Barron's gonna be at his dad's funeral, right? He's gonna be pretty soon.

[A]

He was at the State of the Union last year.

[B]

But does he want to go to work as the president?

[A]

He doesn't have to work because he's made a ton of money. So, no.

[B]

I think Barron, after his dad dies, is going to assume the throne of the presidency. Right?

[A]

Throne is a good way to describe it. How about this guy? What is an emperor? Put his picture. He's got those giant posters on the sides of buildings all over D.C. including the Department of justice that says everything you need to know. Just literally, like, right out of some fascist plate.

[B]

Can I. Can I give you a critique on something you said?

[A]

What? You already have given many critiques.

[B]

You said the Democratic Party is too fixated on pronouns. Like, you're walking into their trap. That's what they're saying.

[A]

No, I think no.

[B]

No voter has decided, like, I was gonna go Democrat, but they changed the pronouns on pronouns. Is like.

[A]

No, I think it was a moment. There was some. I think it's not one thing. It's sort of the stacking of things where there was. I just. I'm just telling you, like. Like old school Democrats.

[B]

I talked. You're walking into the Trap.

[A]

No, I get that.

[B]

There's, like, so think three trans athletes. It's like, people are like, I would vote for the Democrats were it not for their. Like, they're damaging the integrity of girls sports. Like, come on, dude. You're walking on the trap. Here's my advice to you. If they're doing their thing where they're like, the Little Mermaid is black. Right. Well, that's. And they're like, you've ruined my childhood.

[A]

Yeah, that's.

[B]

The Democrats are gonna say, well, we sell it for all the black little mermaids out there. We celebrate.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Our sister queen mermaid. Instead, you just say, the Republicans, like, they're upset about the Little Mermaid being black. Just say, pardon me, but you're a pussy. And that's a baby movie. You're being a baby right now. No, the truth is this.

[A]

I like that. No, I act like.

[B]

They just act like SJWs at this point. They're mad at bad bonies.

[A]

SJW. Why do I not know what the secret is?

[B]

Social justice. They act like sjw.

[A]

They say, exchange. I was interested.

[B]

Is that you?

[A]

The design? Yeah, it's a swa. Yeah, exactly.

[B]

Woke people.

[A]

Right?

[B]

They're, like, mad about. They're incensed. That Bad Bunnies.

[A]

He was good, man. I like that.

[B]

But who cares? Who's mad at the. They're being. They're being babies.

[A]

I appreciate this, man.

[B]

You know, it's just like.

[A]

No, but by the way, this was happening with CRT DEI esg, we were constantly on the. This is why I started. That's why I went on Fox to debate Ron DeSantis, because they were winning that messaging war. They were flooding the zone. We were on our heels, not our toes. And narrative matters. And we were constantly on the defense. So what you're saying is, I think I align with you on that in terms of being consistent where I have a mod up.

[B]

Shut up.

[A]

But, you know.

[B]

But there are some. Be normal.

[A]

But be normal. And I think they want us normal to everybody. Everybody.

[B]

Look, just be like, mind your own business, you know, it's not your life. You know, it's good.

[A]

Thank you. This is good. See, I'm.

[B]

For me.

[A]

No. What are you gonna like? But it's good, though. This is helpful, man. It's healthy. Look at that. Look at that. He's looking.

[B]

What do you think?

[A]

So it's three. Three. And on that.

[B]

All right, I'm gonna. I'm not beating. Okay, here's.

[A]

That's how you start.

[B]

Here's my final question.

[A]

What I did framework, man.

[B]

Well, I mean, it's just. We'll let the girls decide. We'll let the ladies decide.

[A]

No, but. But what you're saying is. Thank you. And I. You know, as a guy who's a godfather of a trans son, a trans godson, I appreciate what you're saying, man. And there are certain things where we may have modest disagreement. But look, I've been. As we established, and it's well established in this book, I've been way out on all these issues, and I've been on the receiving end of the counter narrative, and I found myself often in a defensive posture. And so I appreciate what you're saying.

[B]

Here's my last question.

[A]

What is. That's always the worst. That's the one that gets politicians in trouble. The last.

[B]

I'm not. We don't. We're not gonna get you in trouble.

[A]

I don't know. I want to find out.

[B]

You're my boy. I'm not doing yellow journalism. I'm hanging out with my handsome new friend. What are you talking about? Yeah, I'm angling. You're gonna probably win. You think that J.D. vance is gonna. He's gonna look like a fucking potato next to you. Seriously. The cooler guy wins every time. I mean it.

[A]

Is that it?

[B]

Yes. Go through every election.

[A]

Rubio's pretty cool. What do you think of Rubio? You don't like him?

[B]

Little Marco.

[A]

Little Marco. He is. I saw him in Munich.

[B]

He's a point.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You're six three, bro. You were a shooting guard.

[A]

Yeah, well, sort of game. It was. We were, you know, it was a short Little League. It was Marine County. Yeah.

[B]

That's why you back. That's why.

[A]

That was why I was captivated. Yeah.

[B]

The baseball field was a farmer's market.

[A]

Farmer's market. Where I was eating grasshoppers. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You never tried a grasshopper. You never answered. Oh, I'm a regular person.

[B]

I got a Chipotle, by the way.

[A]

They're struggling a little bit right now.

[B]

Chipotle?

[A]

Yeah. Which is.

[B]

They really fell off a cliff.

[A]

I don't know what's happened.

[B]

It was a great restaurant. I don't know what's happened to it. Okay. We saw you, you know, you know, survive kind of a recall election and kind of win by a landslide, which I think is, like, adds to your bona fetus as, like, someone that's, like, gotten scrubbed up.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

In addition, out of all people in state politics in California, you're kind of like the last one left during.

[A]

From COVID Yeah, but that generally. Yeah, like, that's. That. By the way, that's interesting that you say, why am I the one that's. I don't know a lot. You've been interested.

[B]

You're the inventor of gay marriage, okay? You're the first person to come up with the idea of gay marriage, which is like, come on, don't be ridiculous. What's the point of gay if you're gonna get married? Just be happy and rich. You don't have to get married. You don't have to what, like, get a dog?

[A]

Okay, okay, okay.

[B]

I'm just kidding. I'm a nightclub comedian.

[A]

Three dogs.

[B]

I have a dog, too.

[A]

What's. What kind? Yeah.

[B]

Oh, actually, fuck you, dude. What the fuck? You try to ban nipples. You're a racist.

[A]

I did not.

[B]

You're a racist.

[A]

There was a dog falling and two people got so.

[B]

They're all the same.

[A]

They're all. It was horrible. Diane Whipple, my life.

[B]

I don't know. I rescued her. She rescued me. Okay? We've seen you do these things at various, like, inflection points in your career that. That make are very impressive. Right? You also just, like. You look like the fucking president.

[A]

You do.

[B]

It's like, if it was, like, on TV or something, it'd be like, this guy.

[A]

And it'd be like, talking about my. Talking about more engineers, more scientists, more nobis. You'll be yelling at the screen, normal, bro. Be normal.

[B]

Al Qaeda has sent a comet from space. Somehow they have developed comet technology that.

[A]

Bro, that could happen. We gotta go. That's why we have Space Force. It's a legit thing.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

I don't mind your space.

[B]

I think you talk about, like, Bernie Sanders is Medicare for all. You know, like. Like what?

[A]

Like, yeah, what's that?

[B]

What is your defined political project?

[A]

Like what?

[B]

Throughout your career right now? Like, what is. What is the thing you want to, like, you want to accomplish, like, politically in your life?

[A]

I don't have, like, a brand. I don't have a tag. Make America great. Or I don't, you know, the Great Society. Or, you know, something like Medicare for all the billionaires.

[B]

But I.

[A]

You know, but for me, no bullshit. It's just standing up for ideals, striking out against injustice. It defines my why in every way, shape or form. Stand up for ideals. Strike out against injustice. I'm a Sarge Shriver Democrat. I'm into that whole 60s, the vernacular of the 60s, solving for ignorance and poverty and disease and the spirit of the 60s and the spirit of King and, you know, and how the nonviolent movement in Gandhi and, you know, Havel and, you know, Mandela, that whole. That moral authority now for that whole space. That's the zeitgeist. Yeah. And that's. So that's me. That's my dad, that's my mom. That's the book, and that's my why. And so standing up for ideals is what Gave merged. It was about work I'm doing right now, sort of push back, you know, we can lose this country. And just feeling like I have to be held to account and strike out against the injustices of the day.

[B]

So if you had to define it,

[A]

like, I need your help and you get. You tell me you're better at this. I don't know.

[B]

I don't know who you.

[A]

I just gave you my why. But how do you translate that into human what?

[B]

So if you say, like, make an appeal to a voter, right? Say if you vote for me, you get X. Like, what in the. In a. In a kind of concise, tangible sense. Talking to a regular guy.

[A]

Yeah. No, no. I've struggled with being able to communicate. I told you what my why is and why I'm here. And I mean that. And that's ingrained in every aspect of my life. And it connects the dot, even in my private life, in terms of the business things I've done, stupid things like screw cap wines and selling wine at retail, just in restaurants, trying to sort of break up monopolies and try to strike out against the injustice, the rigging of the system, etc. And it's part of, you know, all

[B]

the screw cap one.

[A]

What is that? I seen how here we're going back. But that's in the book. You got to buy the book.

[B]

Oh, because it's, like, less classy. Yeah, yeah, I remember that.

[A]

Yeah. No, it's just like, that's one of

[B]

your L's in life, dude. You're just. You're hot, dude. You're hot, dude. Why'd you write this book? Just. Just write a follow up. Be like, this is how I became the hottest, biggest pimp dude. Honestly, the reason Donald Trump. You stood him down is because he thinks you're handsome. I mean it.

[A]

I mean it.

[B]

The reason you were like, fuck off, Trump, like, when you sent the troops in was like. He was like, I like the hair. I like the way he dresses. You should be proud of it.

[A]

Oh, man.

[B]

I think that's our time.

[A]

That's all the time we have today and next week. Sam.