CLAVICULAR Talks Female Psychology, Drug Habit, Infamy

Summary

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Podcast: The Adam Friedland Show
Episode: CLAVICULAR Talks Female Psychology, Drug Habit, Infamy
Date: February 17, 2026
Host: Adam Friedland
Guest: Clavicular (controversial livestreamer, “looks maxer”)

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Episode Overview

This episode features an in-depth, often combative yet humorous interview with Clavicular, a 20-year-old streamer who has become notorious for his unfiltered takes on looksmaxing, internet culture, and self-improvement. Adam explores Clavicular’s rise to infamy, the subculture around looksmaxing, the science and obsession behind physical attractiveness, and how all these intersect with modern masculinity, fame, and relationships.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Introduction to Looksmaxing & Online Subcultures

• Looksmaxing Defined:

  • Clavicular positions himself as a "cultural leader" within the looksmaxing community, focusing on optimizing looks through any means — surgery, pharmacology, or lifestyle changes.
  • Adam admits feeling like a "boomer" encountering this new language/culture for the first time.
  • The rise of looksmaxing: first on obscure forums, TikTok in 2023, now to mainstream platforms like X (ex-Twitter).

  “You’re not in your own world with not knowing about this whole looksmax thing. It’s kind of a new thing that’s popped up over the past few months, I would say, to the mainstream.” (A, 04:33)

• Mogging, Amog, and the Language of Looksmaxing:

  • Mogging: Outperforming or outshining someone else, especially in appearance or status.
  • “Old cells,” “normie,” “Chad,” “Giga Chad”: Hierarchical language for various attractiveness/status archetypes.

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2. Society & Attractiveness

• Clavicular’s Philosophy:

  • Society rewards attractiveness far more than is publicly acknowledged.
  • Changing your looks is posited as a more accessible way to increase your "sexual market value" (SMV) compared to changing your wealth or status.

  “It seems to me so beyond obvious that you're better looking, you have better treatment in almost every aspect of life. And this is something that's also quite well researched." (A, 08:08)

• Genetics vs. Self-Improvement:

  • Genetics set the baseline, but looksmaxing can meaningfully improve anyone’s dating prospects or social standing — though not everyone can become a "Chad."

  “You might look smacks your entire life, do everything properly, but if you're someone who just does not have the genetic base...you might be a little disappointed.” (A, 30:49)

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3. Clavicular’s Personal Journey

• Background:

  • Grew up in Hoboken, New Jersey; parents (notably his mother) were bodybuilders.
  • Early obsessions: Nerf guns, GTA V, heavy online engagement, especially during COVID lockdowns.

• His Looksmaxing Process:

  • Started at 14, motivated by both personal improvement and sexual success.
  • Finds it a "linear" process—no sudden "metamorphosis" but steady incremental changes.

• Daily Routine & Drug Regimens:

  • Mixes “pharmacology” (testosterone, GLP1 agonists like retatrutide/Ozempic, hair loss medication), diet, and strict habits to optimize looks.
  • Dismissive of school, preferring “ROI” of self-improvement through appearance.

  "So my entire mentality is just don't try to fight it with doing these stupid carnivore diets and wearing like this cotton clothes. It's like just get off the entire thing and use exogenous hormones." (A, 46:15)

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4. Female Psychology, Dating & Hypergamy

• Hypergamy:

  • Clavicular asserts women are “outrageously hypergamous,” always seeking to date above their own attractiveness.
  • Adam challenges, citing his personal anecdotes, but Clavicular insists only money or status explains when men “date up.”

  “What is true about women is they are hypergamous. They're dating above their looks level. And if they're not...it can 99% of the time be attributed to either money or status.” (A, 23:53)

• Objectivity versus Subjectivity in Attractiveness:

  • Community attempts to quantify attractiveness with "math"—PSL rating scales, harmony scores, etc.
  • Adam mocks the clinical approach to attraction:

    “I don't need to know the math on a pair of tits…” (B, 25:36)

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5. Social Media, Fame, and Infamy

• Rise to Infamy:

  • Fast trajectory: Only began mainstream streaming in November, credits consistency and “newness” for viral success.
  • Fanbase is “split down the middle” by gender due to TikTok appeal.

  "It’s just, it’s new, it’s fresh, it’s content...Everyone looks for what's new on the Internet." (A, 36:06)

• Controversy & Clipping:

  • Clavicular’s viral moments are often inflamed by “clip farmer” accounts—distorting or mocking him for views.
  • Feels people overlook his youth, treat him as an authority figure rather than a 20-year-old.

  "Pretty much every content creator has seemingly got like this treatment for immaturity...But that's never been applied to me whatsoever." (A, 54:05)

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6. Critique & Satire: Plastic Surgery, Wealth, and 'Mogging'

• Surgery as Investment:

  • Both Clavicular and Adam satirize the idea that student loans are better spent on surgery than education.
  • Discusses double jaw surgery, limb lengthening, and the complicated ROI for status boosting.

  "If you're going to take out hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of loans, you might as well invest it into surgery rather than going to school." (A, 49:45)

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7. Culture, Pop, and Gender

• Clavicular dismisses pop culture before 2015 as irrelevant/jester ("Movies are kind of jester.") (A, 12:52)
• Adam tries to bridge the generational divide with references to Seinfeld, Bruce Springsteen, and 2000s comedies, mostly in vain.
• Frequent jokes about sexual encounters, "mogging" each other, and self-deprecation.

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8. Meaning, Kindness, and Real Values

• Adam pushes back on rejecting qualities like kindness or humor in favor of looks, using the example of Mother Teresa.

  “Nobody gives a shit about Mother Teresa. I’m gonna be honest with you.” (A, 62:45)

• Clavicular argues even non-physical traits are “haloed” by physical attractiveness.

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9. Reflections on Manosphere, Self-Help, and Young Men's Issues

• Clavicular claims his influence comes from being relatable to young men; filling a gap left by the "manosphere" that ignored looks as a key factor.

  "I think young men, like, feel kind of understood by my message...I was right there in the struggle." (A, 64:53)

• Both Adam and Clavicular return to debates about obsession, being “normal,” and how authenticity versus contrivance plays out in social success.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Hypergamy explained

  “Women are just outrageously hypergamous.” (A, 23:25)

• On plastic surgery vs. college:

  “If you're going to take out hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of loans, you might as well invest it into surgery rather than going to school.” (A, 49:45)

• On looks and kindness:

  “All the intangible things, like, you know, being kind or, you know, being funny...that’s all going to be haloed by your attractiveness.” (A, 62:08)

• On streaming and personal life:

  “The way I think about it is like when I'm doing anything off camera...I could be streaming this, getting paid right now.” (A, 52:34)

• On premature ejaculation:

  “Like one minute and then you have to go to a clinic a few days later?... Yeah bro, I gotta get back to work. I'm a busy guy.” (B & A, 54:41-54:52)

• On being the face of men’s issues:

  “The reality of the situation is, you know, I'm talking about men's issues and kind of identifying with that...no one's been a spokesperson for, you know, this—the struggle in any meaningful way.” (A, 64:06)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Looksmaxing basics and terminology: 04:14–06:48
• The importance of attractiveness in society: 07:21–08:32
• On genetic limits and realism: 30:34–31:08
• On the objectification and math of beauty: 25:06–27:00
• Rise to fame and social media ecosystem: 35:08–36:43
• Pharmacology and appearance ("biohacking") breakdown: 46:15–47:52
• Debate over hypergamy and the dating market: 23:25–25:06
• Controversy and public perception: 38:33–39:07
• Conversation on kindness, values, and their relevance: 62:05–62:54

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Flow, Tone, and Style

The conversation is ribald, irreverent, and quick-witted, blending self-mockery from Adam with deadpan seriousness from Clavicular. There is a persistent tension between Adam's skepticism and Clavicular's rigid doctrines—often softened by jokes or digressions about pop culture, personal life, and internet notoriety. The episode feels like a window into a rapidly evolving, sometimes bizarre online subculture where the currency is appearance, and the boundaries between sincerity and satire are blurred.

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For Listeners New to the Show

This episode is a whirlwind tour through modern self-improvement obsessions, male insecurity, and the performative nature of contemporary masculinity. Clavicular offers an unsettling but honest look at why many young men are gravitating towards looksmaxing, what it actually means, and how internet fame shapes—and distorts—ideas about gender, dating, and merit. The show’s humor keeps the tone buoyant, but many moments reveal more discomfort and confusion than either host or guest seem to admit.

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End of Summary

Transcript

[A]

If you're going to take out hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of loans, you might as well invest it into surgery rather than going to school.

[B]

What if you could be a plastic surgeon?

[A]

And by the way, you can actually get college loans and use it for surgery. So this is a method. So I've been. I've been telling people, yeah, you can literally do that. So just misappropriating the funds, it's really not to get you in that much trouble. And you'll mog so you'll be able to sort of get out of it.

[B]

Welcome to a very special episode of the Adam Friedland show. It's Adam Friedland. We're gonna get right into it. My guest this week is controversial kick streamer and looks maxer. Clavicular. That guy. Clavicular has enjoyed quite the meteoric rise over the last six months, thanks in part to a series of livestream controversies that have put him on the social radar of anyone and everyone that has a social media site feed. I wonder if our parents. You think our parents do it? My mom knows. Your mom knows because your mom's horny. Okay. Now, I'm no fan of the things this young man has said about various groups like women, the LGBT community, and especially Jews. What has he. I didn't know that.

[A]

You didn't know that?

[B]

Yeah. What does he say about it? It's not. Again, we'll talk about it later. But the bad ones, right? The bad Jews. But I think it's important to view clavicular as a symptom, a symptom of something much deeper, something much darker, perhaps a cultural virus that has plagued the country, the world, perhaps for the last decade. And I'm talking about, of course, I don't have to say it, but none other than video game player and pickup artist extraordinaire Hassan Piker. Our younger generation has grown up idealizing this man who uses a preternatural fashion sense as a tool for sexual persuasion. How many times have you seen young men at the store or perhaps the mall wearing this exact outfit, attempting to mold themselves into a man who's quite frankly, an anti Semite. Anti Semite of the year. Mind you, I would come a man who views women as workers, a man who livestreams everything he does, makes it about politics, A man who's not even as big as his dog. Folks, I'm hoping this interview will be a wake up call for everyone who's watching it to stop stop supporting the monster Hassan Pker. So please enjoy my interview with Cle Fucking hell. Jesus Christ. But he can use a phone. Why is he using that? Anyway, so please enjoy my interview with Clavicular, everyone. It's gonna be a good one. I think it'll be a good one. Ladies and gentlemen, the number one streamer on Kickstarter. Give it up for Clavicular, everyone.

[A]

Thanks for having me.

[B]

Dude, how you doing?

[A]

You're in New York City doing great, man.

[B]

You're enjoying it?

[A]

It's a little cold for me, but

[B]

honestly, like, I'm 38 years old and I'm like, learning about looks, maxing and stuff. Like. Like, I do a lot of research for the show and I feel like. I just feel so. Like a boomer. I feel like, so foreign from the youth of today. I feel like it's. I'm learning, like a new fucking language or something like that.

[A]

Right? Yeah. All of the terms are quite comical, but, you know, you're not in your own world with not knowing about this whole looks max thing. It's kind of a new thing that's popped up over the past few months, I would say, to the mainstream. Right. It's been.

[B]

It existed in forums for years. Right, Right.

[A]

Yeah, no, it's been around for years. And it had sort of a explosion on TikTok back in 2023 where, like, the kids knew about it, but now it's kind of pushing to X and like, you know, people in your demographic a little bit, so.

[B]

Shut up, bitch. What does that mean? Demographic? What is my demographic?

[A]

Old cells.

[B]

Old cells?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What does that mean? Celibacy? Just, like, I get pussy. Shut the fuck up. I get mad.

[A]

No, it's not like when I was poor. That's just one of the terms that we use.

[B]

My sexual market value is just through the roof.

[A]

We'll just add sell to the end of a descriptor. Really old cell.

[B]

So what is your role in this ecosystem? How would you define your. The place that you exist within that?

[A]

I would say I'm kind of the cultural leader in the lux maxing world, you know, because not a lot of people are super well versed, you know, they're not willing to go the distance, do whatever it takes kind of to ascend through any and every mechanism out there available to them. So I was like, okay, let's, you know, take this to its logical conclusion, you know, with biohacking with, you know, whatever.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Form of ascension necessary.

[B]

Yeah. Are there other, like, are there ops that are trying to come for that number one spot? Do you have to defend the throne?

[A]

Not that I know about.

[B]

Are you the hottest guy, is that what you're saying? No, no, no, no.

[A]

Well, that's just.

[B]

You just know the most about looks. Backseat. Right.

[A]

Well, that's the goal of the game, right, is to MOG other people. Right.

[B]

Tell the boomer cells about what that is.

[A]

So mogging is essentially just outperforming them, looking better than them and just sort of dominating. Right. It came from something called amog, which was alpha male of the group. Then it was shortened to just mog. So that's kind of like the term we use when someone is just like outshining another person in a photo or whatever. So if that comes along and happens to me. Right. That's just kind of like almost biblical, you know?

[B]

Have you been mogged by another? By another man?

[A]

I've definitely been mogged, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

[B]

How does it feel to get mogged?

[A]

It's not a great feeling.

[B]

It feels bad. It's just that a guy is more

[A]

beautiful than you or just it could be through a whole plethora of different things. Maybe they have more money than you. They could money MOG you. They could status MOG you.

[B]

Okay. Do you only chill with handsome guys?

[A]

No, no, I chill with.

[B]

You have normie friends.

[A]

I do have normie friends.

[B]

And what's your perception of those guys? That they're like, you feel bad for them?

[A]

I try not to think about it too much. It's kind of just like the only thing that I'm kind of talking about when I discuss looks, maxing and the importance of looks is you could try your hardest not to acknowledge someone being ugly or good looking, but at the end of the day, it's a subconscious bias that everyone's going to have and it's unavoidable. Right. So just because I know the exact facial ratios that make someone good looking or not good looking, it doesn't mean that everyone doesn't instinctually know them already.

[B]

It makes sense to me, the basic premise that society rewards attractiveness, Right? Yes. Yeah, correct. It's kind of obvious, right?

[A]

Uh huh. Yeah.

[B]

Do you think it's like a revolutionary concept because it's like you're just saying something that's always existed, Right?

[A]

Right. Yeah. No, I think it's quite logical. And that's why I would say that most of my messaging is so well received is because it seems to me so beyond obvious that you're better looking, you have better treatment in almost every aspect of life. And this is something that's also quite well researched. Right. You know you look at prison sentencing for good looking people versus people who are less attractive, it's quite clear that it's a huge advantage to have in life.

[B]

You think you beat the case recently because you're a hottie?

[A]

No comment.

[B]

No comment. But did you like you pumped before you walked into the courthouse?

[A]

No, I didn't pump.

[B]

Did you wear something slutty so the judge could see?

[A]

No, I was fixing my hair in that one mirror. The curved one? Yeah. In the courthouse.

[B]

I would throw your ass away for life. I sent you to ugly jail. Brutal. I'm just playing. I'm just playing, dog. Wait, so you came with your boys? That's your camera guy?

[A]

Temporary.

[B]

Why? You're about to fire him?

[A]

No, no, no. Why my other.

[B]

What's your name? Come up and say. Say what up to the crowd or to the audience? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Say we come up and say hi. Yeah. Say name, age, body count. Yeah. Haha. Yeah, yeah. You don't have a body count? I'm yoritz. One on one and body count like lower double digits. Lower double digits? Like 10? I don't really count lower double digits. A bizarre way to say that. Well, double digits implies like 50, so that's too high.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay, so what's your body count? I don't count. Do you guys ever run two mans together or no, not yet. Not yet.

[A]

Not yet.

[B]

One day. Yeah, one day. Like a devil's three way with you and your. You're in the wide child right now. Okay, sorry, I'm just like, let's get back into you. I want it like because it's been like really fucking fast your ascent, right?

[A]

That's right.

[B]

Mr. B says you're about to be the number one guy I saw clip.

[A]

Yes. He said that if he were to invest in any content creator who's up and coming, it would be myself. I'm not really too sure what that

[B]

means, but it sounds like a little bit sinister maybe.

[A]

A little bit.

[B]

But dude, that guy kind of tortures poor people, don't you think?

[A]

I don't know too much about that. That's been speculated. No, I think people just kind of call into questions stuff about some of the budgeting maybe not being the greatest.

[B]

What does that mean?

[A]

So they're doing like the team water thing right? In Africa where it's like a charity project. Yeah. For Africa wells and people were like, is $40 million really necessary? And you know, personally I have no idea how any cost works for the wells and well, that's what people are speculating I have no fucking idea. Quite honestly. I don't think anyone has any idea how much it costs to, you know, run a water project in Africa.

[B]

An interesting thing that you talk about is kind of like how economy that you were presented with at your age. The world that you were promised wasn't a better future, right? Like, how would you explain that?

[A]

So essentially what I always say is looks maxing is just another version of self improvement. And I'm simply stating that in terms of ascending your sexual market value, which means how valued you are by women, how easily you're going to succeed in the dating market. It's a lot easier to improve your looks and improve your SMB by that metric than it is to overcome certain disparities with your finances or improving your status. Because what needs to be accomplished is so much greater than people could ever imagine to have equal results. Right? So it's like, let's say you ascent making even seven figures a year sounds like an incredible number. And it is.

[B]

When you're a kid, you're like, that's the most money ever.

[A]

True. Real. I mean, especially when you live in big cities. So that's the thing, right? People get to these like, insanely good milestones and then they're expecting these results and they're not coming.

[B]

Like getting pussy, you mean?

[A]

Well, the fact of the matter is looks are valued a lot greater in these big cities with how shit the economy is. That's really not getting you as far as you think.

[B]

You know, you could just also just move to New York because there's like so many gay guys that. There's just more straight women than straight guys. It's a hack.

[A]

Or you could just look smacks.

[B]

Have you seen Seinfeld before?

[A]

No.

[B]

George Costanza was like on dates with elevens. And it's real. It's real.

[A]

That's actually what happens for any of the pop culture references we are.

[B]

You don't know.

[A]

You don't know.

[B]

You don't know any shows or movies?

[A]

Not, not like anything before, like 2015.

[B]

So like transformers, like four?

[A]

No.

[B]

No. What's your favorite movie?

[A]

Favorite movie? Oh, that's a tough one.

[B]

Jester. Movies are Jester.

[A]

Movies are kind of Jester. And sports.

[B]

Oh, yeah, you hate sports.

[A]

Yeah. Movies I could, you know, put up with every once in a while.

[B]

What's the best one?

[A]

Let me think. The most enjoyable movie.

[B]

Dude, you gotta not go back to Miami. Just come chill with me little lads

[A]

tonight and just watch movies.

[B]

Have you seen Moneyball?

[A]

I have.

[B]

That's A good. So Us, that movie. So Us. Have you seen it? I love it.

[A]

Yeah, I like the. The movie Limitless.

[B]

You kind of are a Limitless style guy.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

Is that kind of what having like a stack is? Is. Is like being limit. Justin Timberlake or that's kind of the guy in Limitless.

[A]

Bradley.

[B]

Bradley Cooper. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. So it kind of feels that way when you first start taking stimulants a little bit.

[B]

For me, I just write long emails to people that I haven't talked to in four years. So you grew up outside the city? Hoboken.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And you've been staying with your family?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Are you close with them?

[A]

Yeah, I talk to them a fair bit. Just online, usually. I haven't seen them in person for about a year before this week.

[B]

You talk to them online? What do you mean?

[A]

Like, just over the phone?

[B]

Oh, that's on the phone. That's not online?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You have a sister? Younger sister?

[A]

I do.

[B]

Are you close with her? Yeah, yeah. How many years apart?

[A]

She is turning 16, so four years.

[B]

Yeah, me and my sister are four years. Okay.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

Yeah. We gotta fucking protect our sisters indeed.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

My sister is my dog. We're like very close. You like Spring Seed? Who? Bruce Springsteen. He's like New Jersey. He's like a rocker dude. I gotta put him on his songs. I gotta put him on the movies. We gotta movie Max and Song Max at some point. The two of us as dogs. Your parents are also. They're bodybuilders. Is that right?

[A]

Back in the day before I was

[B]

born, you know, they were competitive, like Mr. Olympia.

[A]

No, not that. Like, that's the top of the top competition. Yeah, you know, just local stuff, you know?

[B]

Yeah. Jersey.

[A]

My mom.

[B]

Yeah, your mom was.

[A]

Yeah, not my dad.

[B]

You had a jacked mom?

[A]

Yeah, before I was born.

[B]

Whoa. I wonder what it would be like to have a jack. What was it like to have a jacked mom?

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

You don't know? Oh, before you were born?

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

You had hot parents?

[A]

That's kind of a weird question.

[B]

I had a hot mom and a disgusting father. Yeah, I'm fine saying it. I did the measurements on their eyes and such.

[A]

Okay. Yeah.

[B]

Did your dad teach you how to work out?

[A]

No, I kind of just figured it out on my own because we had a home gym that I would just dick around in when I was growing up. And then I got my first gym membership and kind of would just watch, like, you know, various.

[B]

Rich. Piano rich.

[A]

Yes. Yeah.

[B]

He was a night. He Was a psycho. I loved him.

[A]

Yeah, I love rich too. Unfortunately, 99% of the shit he was doing is the complete opposite of what the literature suggests.

[B]

I can't believe it. I can't believe that he was doing the rest in peace. You fucking God.

[A]

He was a great guy, but his mentality.

[B]

Did he die from steroids or can he die from steroids?

[A]

It definitely had a role in his passing, unfortunately. But you can die from steroids?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Just putting a strain on your organs, you know. So when I talk about steroids and testosterone usage, it's, you know, put into the same category as these bodybuilding guys who are dying, you know, prematurely. But it's not a binary thing. Right. It's extremely dose dependent. So when you're talking about TRT or slightly above that, that's not comparable with bodybuilders who are usually using about, you know, 10 or 20 times the dosage.

[B]

Your dick get smaller or your balls.

[A]

Your balls.

[B]

Your balls get smaller. Yes. It kind of makes your dick look bigger.

[A]

Probably correct.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Proportionality.

[B]

Yeah, it's probably true. Yeah. I should do. Dude, I have long balls.

[A]

Wait, what?

[B]

Nothing. Would you swipe your V? Like 11, probably.

[A]

No. 16.

[B]

16. All right. That's a responsible age.

[A]

Yeah, I thought so. Yeah.

[B]

So you got into looks maxing prior to. To getting shakes? Yeah. Was that a motivation? Those message boards.

[A]

That was. But that wasn't necessarily the only thing I was thinking about at the time. It was more just like an objective, this will improve the quality of my life mentality. And that was just one of the results of that, I guess you could say.

[B]

When did you start? Like 14.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay. Were you in COVID lockdown?

[A]

I was, yeah. Yeah.

[B]

Did suck.

[A]

Yeah, well, that was when I was a eighth grade and Freshman sucks. Yeah.

[B]

You gotta, like, be at home with your parents all the. Yeah, If I, like, couldn't see my friends every day, it would just fucking suck.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So you got, like. You were online a lot during lockdown?

[A]

Yeah, yeah, I was. I was definitely on the Internet probably 14 hours a day.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yep. Video games, whatever.

[B]

We don't talk about it enough, like culturally about how that sucks for kids.

[A]

Yeah, I don't really think it was that bad for most people, not gonna lie. Especially this generation. I think a lot of people just got to sit on their Xbox all day and not have to do any schoolwork. I don't really think that anyone was too upset by the whole process, but

[B]

it probably, like, made it harder, like, to be, like, socialized. Right.

[A]

Well, I wasn't doing that anyway.

[B]

Were you a loner growing up?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. Your obsession prior to looks backstage was Nerf guns.

[A]

No, that's just one.

[B]

What's that all about?

[A]

That was one when I was like, you know, 8 or 9 years old.

[B]

How many Nerf guns do you have?

[A]

Not anymore.

[B]

Come on, dude. You talk about it. Dude. We all.

[A]

I said it one time, but that's good research. Yeah.

[B]

I know everything about you, dog. Wait, did you get obsessed with things growing up? Was that like an aspect of your personality?

[A]

Yeah, that was kind of the point I was. I was trying to make.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know.

[B]

What other things were you obsessed with?

[A]

I was pretty obsessed with like GTA 5, I would say, obviously.

[B]

Far.

[A]

I rotted on that for hours a day. Like minimum 10 hours every single day during COVID So it'd just be that kind of stuff. Just getting super hyper fixated.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Random shit.

[B]

Yeah. So I think that's pretty normal.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Video games for kids.

[A]

Yeah, I guess. But just only playing one thing for. I have no idea.

[B]

I play sports games because I'm cool.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah. FIFA 2K.

[A]

Yeah. I wish I was that cool.

[B]

I don't trust a guy that doesn't like sports. Honestly. You can't trust a guy that does like sports. You can't trust a guy that doesn't. Goes on seven dick appointments a week. Do you have seven dick appointments a week? That would suck. It's a lonely feeling actually being one of those guys.

[A]

What's that?

[B]

Nothing, bro. What do you guys. Is your camera guy? Do you guys. Are you roommates? Yeah.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

Where? Brickell.

[A]

No, thank God.

[B]

Where do you live in Miami?

[A]

Just no comment. But not.

[B]

Oh, yeah, I don't want to dox.

[A]

Yeah. I would say that Brickell is probably the worst place that you can possibly live if you're an influencer.

[B]

This is all influencers.

[A]

It's all want to be influencers.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You want to stop your first street interview when you're trying to get a coffee?

[B]

Yeah. Like, do one of those things.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. Was your. Would you. Would you let your girl get a train run? That's what they always say, right?

[A]

Yeah. For.

[B]

For a million dollars. And I'm like, obviously, I would let. I do it for free. Yeah, I guess. Like, what's the genesis behind, like the boards? Did it grow out of like incel and pua shit? Like.

[A]

Yeah, right. Yeah.

[B]

Did you. Did you interact with that kind of shit?

[A]

That was before my time. That was kind of when I was like, born was when it was like all conceptualized on the Internet.

[B]

So the genesis behind it was like, if you're involuntary celibate, you're like, I'm actually not gonna accept this. I'm gonna become a like, piece of ass, and then I'll get girls.

[A]

That was the idea behind it. It was more so like identifying the

[B]

biggest thing in the world.

[A]

I think it was more so just identifying why people were in cell. And then it kind of transitioned to, okay, how could we fix this now?

[B]

Have you ever been in love?

[A]

That's a tough question.

[B]

You know, it's awesome. It's the ultimate. Honestly, it feels great, but it feels crazy. It feels like you're taking crazy pills sometimes. It's like, what are we even doing? I think you've been in love. I feel like you're capping. That's cap. I can see on your face.

[A]

Well, I just said I love or

[B]

boy, you don't know. So you thought it could be love?

[A]

I have no idea.

[B]

Yeah. Do you think that your. Your career has complicated, like having like

[A]

a. Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure.

[B]

You had a girlfriend recently?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And what? Did it make it tough?

[A]

Yeah, certainly. Yeah. It's kind of not really possible to do what I do just because of the hours, like, you know, with all this kind of production oriented stuff where you're kind of running a show, It's a little less time devotion then, like, the streams. Like, the streaming hours are beyond brutal. And the shit that I do on stream isn't something that most girls would want to be a part of.

[B]

Yeah, like hose. Like flirting with you. Yeah. For Brickell. Brickell type style. Hose, Brickle, hose. Trying to do a street interview. Do you ever worry that you'll be like, you'll get so hot that you'll be hotter than your girlfriend? You don't want to be hotter than your girlfriend.

[A]

Why?

[B]

He's just like, what, you want to date? No, you don't.

[A]

Like, typically how. How it is in really modern dating.

[B]

Not for me. Not. Not at all. Dude, she is an idiot. I can't believe she's. She's gonna wake up one day, be like, what the hell have I been? Well, yeah, I guess there is an aspect of dating that is like poor courtship. Right. Like, it's not sexy if someone is pursuing you. Right. Like it's. It's more sexy if you have a crush on someone you want to like, you know, like, be charming and get them to like you. Right.

[A]

And women are just outrageously hypergamous.

[B]

What does that mean?

[A]

It means that they're trying to date above their looks level to a ridiculous degree.

[B]

You gotta move to New York, dude. You see some of the Gargoyles with just 11, dude, it's. This is a different world.

[A]

That's because there's a lot of people in New York who are like, yay.

[B]

Yay, guys.

[A]

Yeah, I was going to say money maxers, like, you know, finance. Not even as a whole. Right.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What, what is true about women is they are hypergamous. They're dating above their looks level. And if they're not, if they're better looking than the guy, it can 99% of the time be attributed to either money or status.

[B]

Way better.

[A]

That's why I don't really understand when people give like, you know, anecdotes on breaking these rules. When it's like, yeah, as a whole we're looking at a society here not, you know, were you able to get with a chick who's hotter than you?

[B]

I don't know, it's just like, it's. They like it kind of a little bit if we're like a little ugly sometimes.

[A]

No,

[B]

I think, yeah, bro.

[A]

Well, you're also millionaire. Status billionaire, billionaire. Oh wait, I did see. Someone says.

[B]

Why did they say billionaire? Who tweeted that? That I'm a billionaire?

[A]

I don't know. I was like, is that true?

[B]

Yeah, I'm a billionaire, dude.

[A]

But you know, as a whole, these rules are true. And these are rules that you should.

[B]

I don't think they're true, dude.

[A]

I think you're making up rules. No, I don't think so.

[B]

I'm telling you, dude, all my friends, girlfriends are hotter than them. Are all your friends rich Steven's roster, Steven? No, not at all. Back me up, Steven.

[A]

And that's another common cope is people just don't know how to properly rate individuals attractiveness because they'll score women a lot higher. Because it's like, yeah, these are hot. Exactly. But when you actually know the objective measurements, it doesn't become about sexual attraction. It's about mathematics. And you're able to be a lot more analytical with rating people.

[B]

But what's sexy about math?

[A]

Well, it's about figuring out attractiveness.

[B]

I don't need to know the math on a pair of tits, you know,

[A]

well, it's about the faces. And at the end of the day, you see a girl, you think she's hot. It's the same, but we're just trying to identify why, you know, why you have that subconscious instinct, you know. But why? What makes a Face good. What makes a face bad. That's the kind of stuff that I'm just explaining to people.

[B]

I think girls are hot. Sometimes I get horny for them. There you go.

[A]

Well, we're just talking about.

[B]

I've been horny for them, for them my whole life, dude. Even before I can bust, dude, I've been horny for them. Anyway, let's not get carried away. Can you break it down for me? So what are these measurements? And, like, how have they. Is it crowdsourced? Is it, like. The community is kind of determined?

[A]

Like, they do a lot of stuff.

[B]

Psl.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

So it comes from a bunch of different sources. You know, even something like the mid face ratio tracks back to ancient Greece, but a lot of it is, you know, attractiveness surveys, scientists determining what is the most ideal measurement, right? And you take all these measurements and you come up with a total facial harmony score. And that kind of. Is able to be gauged on how attractive score someone is. There's other things that play a role, like phenotype, you know, and if you were to extend it to just the full body and height and frame, things like that. So there's a lot that goes into it, but it's all very objective.

[B]

And this is kind of something that's like, the community has debated and kind of like.

[A]

It's not like that makes it sound like it's just a bunch of autists on forums kind of debating numbers. Well, no, I know. I'm just.

[B]

There's no, like, guru there. There's no, like, Ross Jeffries, who's.

[A]

No, it's not, like, one guy's opinion, you know, it's all very well researched.

[B]

Do you know who Ross Jeffries is?

[A]

I don't.

[B]

He's like, the first pickup artist guy in fit when we were 15. My friend Tommy's like, dude, I'm sick of not. I was like, we all are, dude. And he's like, I downloaded these lectures from KAZA of this guy Ross Jeffries. And I was like, what? Like, you're not gonna get pussy from lectures. And he fucked at school, like, three days later. Literally at school. Literally. It was the most amazing thing I've ever seen. And then he started dating that girl, and he saved her in his phone as Bitch, Bitch. It was rude. Quite rude. So just explain to me what, like, the PSL kind of like, you know, layman's terms. Because I. I'm, like, not very smart. But, like.

[A]

Well, PSL was.

[B]

There's four categories. Sorry, it's an eight Point scale. Right, Right, yeah. So how's that determined?

[A]

So that's just a different rating system that came from the community and those are just. PSL is three, like lookism oriented forums and like pickup artist type things. So the idea behind it is that there's no such thing as a 10 and the highest rating was an 8. Now it's kind of been skewed to match the decile scale. So it's not completely.

[B]

What is decile scale?

[A]

Like out of 10?

[B]

Out of 10? Oh yeah.

[A]

So people will kind of just try to like make it translatable when that was never really the intention. There's a reason There was no 9 and 10 included in scale, you know, so that's kind of just what it comes down to.

[B]

What are the three categories?

[A]

The three categories?

[B]

You said there were three standards.

[A]

No, it's just three forums that PSL stands for.

[B]

What was that? What does it stand for?

[A]

Pickup artist hate, Slut hate and lookism.

[B]

Slut hate.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What do they say? Just fuck girls?

[A]

Well, that's what the forum was called.

[B]

Yeah. Who was on the boards? Was it like his?

[A]

Your age now? It is, yeah. Now it's often people who are a little bit younger. Yeah.

[B]

Are there girls on there?

[A]

Sometimes there will be girls who try to like larp their way into the community when it's meant to be a male dominated space or just like a male space in general. Because women have just an exponentially easier time living life and sort of getting away with whatever the fuck they want. So you know, you give them like this whole looks max avenue now to make things even easier. It's just, I don't know, makes the playing board kind of.

[B]

But haven't they. They've been look maxing for a long time though. Yeah.

[A]

But now makeup properly, not properly. Yeah.

[B]

So wait, there's. Correct me if I'm wrong, there's normie for guys, right. Low tier, mid tier, high tier normie.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And then there's Chad, Turbo. Chad. Giga. Chad.

[A]

Chad Light. Chad.

[B]

Chad Light.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What are you.

[A]

I don't rate myself.

[B]

We're like giga. No.

[A]

Yeah, sure. We're like giga.

[B]

Yeah. People don't understand what it's like for us to be true. Yeah. Is your philosophy that like one can make themselves into Chad if they want? No.

[A]

So genetics are gonna play a huge role in everything and what's able to be accomplished. But you know, anyone can improve their luck stuff to a pretty significant degree if they're willing to do sort of whatever it takes and go with that mentality.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But obviously your base, where you start out, is going to determine a lot. You know, you might look smacks your entire life, do everything properly, but if you're someone who just does not have the genetic base to allow for you to be a chad or anything, you might be a little disappointed.

[B]

Yeah. How do you conceive of yourself prior to, like, going on this transformation? Like, what do you think of that kid?

[A]

No, I'd say it's like a very, like, linear process to looks max. It's not like, you know, where you leave your cocoon or whatever, like a butterfly or some sort of metamorphosis. It's very slow and steady. So I don't really think you change your, you know, view on anything.

[B]

Had you not looked smacks, you think you'd still be a hot guy, you probably would know.

[A]

I would say that, you know, obviously your genetics are gonna play the biggest role in everything, but you have it, right. I don't think I would be as. As good looking. No.

[B]

Not as. But like, you'd still be a hot guy.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

But not as hot.

[A]

It really is hard to. To pinpoint exactly how much, you know, some of the different interventions would have played a role or, you know, where I would have got to.

[B]

I know you said you wanted to get double job and you're not going to do it now. What's.

[A]

I still want to do it, but there's just been a lot of things.

[B]

What does it do?

[A]

Just advances your upper maxilla and your lower mandible.

[B]

You just get. Your mouth is like, like print out.

[A]

Yeah. Smooth the jaw.

[B]

Turkey. You're going to Turkey?

[A]

Yeah. There's just a lot of complications with travel right now that I'm not gonna get into.

[B]

You're on the no fly list?

[A]

No, no, nothing like that.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. We gotta go to Turkey.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

I'll get. I get rhinoplasty.

[A]

There you go.

[B]

Actually, I like my nose. I used to not like it.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I like it. The other thing was leg. Leg breaking.

[A]

Yeah. That was kind of just like a thought experiment. I think people didn't really understand what I was getting at, was the reason I was talking about sort of the limb lengthening stuff was just about roi. And then I kind of started popping off in another area which was, you know, social media status, money. And I realized that the ROI was not, you know, not worth it anymore in terms of, like, ascending my SMB. I was able to just leverage something else.

[B]

Yeah. How tall are you? Now six, two.

[A]

Yeah. So that's the goal at the end of the day is to maximize smv and if you could do so through other areas, you know, go for it.

[B]

Yeah. Gesturing.

[A]

But at the end of the day that's going to be incredibly difficult for someone to have like the status ascension I did.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Where it makes it comparable.

[B]

Can I ask you a question? Is it like, looks maxi a means of like avoiding like, it's called gesturing but like just like a chat. Chatting like. Or like flirting with girls if you're like so hot you don't have to talk to them.

[A]

Yeah. It certainly makes it easier to be

[B]

a dumbass to not talk to girls.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Also just about like when I was like a 16, like just being so afraid for a girl doesn't want to kiss me back. Like just like, like wanting to kiss a chicken. Like how nauseating you feel at that age. And like, had that been post me too, it probably would have been even scarier. Right.

[A]

I've never had to.

[B]

I'm just saying, like, does that make it scarier? Like, does that make dating or like, or gender relations, like relating to women scarier for. For guys your age? No. Me too.

[A]

I've never had any issues.

[B]

I'm not saying you got me too. No, no, you're not listening to me. I'm saying that it creates a fear. Kids are having less sex now.

[A]

That is true. Yeah. There's a lot of statistics about this. Young men are. I'm pretty sure 2/3 of young men 18 through 21 haven't had sex in six months. So it's, you know, it's quite brutal. Yeah.

[B]

That's crazy. I guess, like let's. Let's go into like your fame. Right? Like it's been rapid.

[A]

Correct.

[B]

What has it been like to like to become a famous person very quickly?

[A]

Well, I don't want to use the term famous. Just kind of well known, maybe infamous even.

[B]

Famous. Famous. Say it, dude. Say with your chest.

[A]

No. Yeah, not yet. Hopefully one day, but more famous.

[B]

But you're very.

[A]

I've kind of been doing social media for a little bit longer than people realize because I just started streaming and you know, going super mainstream. But I had been posting and doing content for about a year now. So. Yeah. Which I guess in, you know, the grand scheme of things for social media, that's still, you know, relatively short in terms of like career longevity. But yeah. So the live streaming started in about November was when it kind of took off. So yeah, it's been a quick rise from There. But I don't know, I've been adapting.

[B]

What do you attribute it to?

[A]

Consistency. And it's just. It's new, it's fresh, it's content. You know, people are doing the same shit all the time on Twitch, you know, and no one gives a fuck anymore. It's the same streams. It's like video games. It's just boring.

[B]

Right, But I don't watch it.

[A]

Exactly. Yeah, no, so. And people are realizing that more and more. So everyone looks for what's new on the Internet.

[B]

Who's your fan base? Who's the squad? Do you have a name for the stands?

[A]

No, not really.

[B]

What are they called? Clav Gang.

[A]

No real name really is it.

[B]

It's a lot of guys. It's a lot of young men.

[A]

Surprisingly. It's actually pretty split down the middle.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah, I would say in terms of like my live stream viewership, it would be like mostly men, but I have a lot of female fans, like you

[B]

know, for being hot.

[A]

Yeah, I don't know. I don't know exactly.

[B]

Come on, bro. You're. You have an smv. That's why the bitches want to come on.

[A]

Yeah, I don't. I think it's just from Tick Tock. Like would be most of the female audience, like they're not really interacting with

[B]

these girls right here.

[A]

Yeah, maybe. Yeah. Tick Tock. Probably.

[B]

Wait, I felt bad for you when I saw that clip of the Orlando Asian kid.

[A]

What up on me, yo, you think

[B]

you can sign my sell my album?

[A]

Yeah, I got you, man. Yeah, no worries, Deborah.

[B]

We've been on your ass since the moment you were streaming since November.

[A]

Oh, hell yeah, dude. Good stuff.

[B]

You think we take a stream photo?

[A]

Yeah, let's do it, man.

[B]

I bet. Find the count of three. Three, two, one. Oh my God, that kid sucked.

[A]

Oh man, that is so annoying when like I'll be just trying to talk to girls and in the bar or whatever, but you know, people want to spam a million photos and it's like, I get it and I like all the fans, but if you're dropping game on like a check irl, like people come up and you know, kind of distract you or whatever. Yeah. A little bit by accident.

[B]

But you know, how can you even call yourself the Orlando Asian Mogger when that guy is clearly mogged no one his entire life. He's a liar. He should call himself the Orlando Asian Liar.

[A]

Yeah, I'm not really sure if that was like a clip farmer or whatnot, but.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess like When I found out about you, it's like I guess you've had like various controversial moments. But like those have obviously for me as like a fucking middle aged man, like those are the times that it gets on my like algo. Right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Do you. Is there a pressure there? I guess like to like controversy? Max.

[A]

Most content creators try to clip form. Was clip form like just do stupid shit to go viral. But a lot of the times like yeah, I won't really be thinking too hard.

[B]

It's just happens. Yeah.

[A]

The thing is all those clipping accounts that just went viral for that kind of shit, none of those words are or anything that I even understand myself. Like it's just people making up random shit because they pay clippers based on viewership. So they're just writing dumb shit and like they'll put filters on your face.

[B]

What words do they say?

[A]

Like jester gooning doesn't like really mean it.

[B]

Do you feel like that's making fun of you a little bit?

[A]

Yeah, I would say so, yeah.

[B]

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[A]

Well, what percent of people are Chad?

[B]

Like, when you view the world?

[A]

Yeah, you know, point one, maybe 0.1.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you. You feel like you occupy that. That percentage?

[A]

No, I don't really like to try to categorize my looks. I just want to look better. Yeah, that's the message. You.

[B]

You aspire to look to. To do looks, Max.

[A]

Yeah, Like, I don't really think the whole rating thing, for some reason, people are goddamn obsessed with figuring out that rating. Ask me for a rating. But, dude, just look better. That's all you need to worry about.

[B]

Yeah. When you look at the beard, do you see the imperfections that you want to correct?

[A]

Yeah, but it's not like one of those body dysmorphia type of, you know, reactions where I'm just like, can't even leave the house because my mid face ratio is off by like one millimeter type thing. And there are people like that, you know, you're fine. There are people like that. I know.

[B]

Look at these girls. What's sliding out of their chairs right now?

[A]

So I know what's suboptimal about my face, but I don't really let it occupy.

[B]

What is suboptimal about your face?

[A]

Well, you know, obviously there's. There's plenty of things. Right.

[B]

Geez, you're fire, dude. You know, plenty of things. What are you talking about, dude?

[A]

Well, just being like, what am I then?

[B]

I should kill myself. What? Like, you look suboptimal. You. You look incredible.

[A]

Well, almost no one has.

[B]

You look at Superman or something.

[A]

Well, almost no one has a completely perfect face according to science. Right. So you could find things that are flaws on anyone, but, you know, some of them will be minor and some people will be extremely deformed. So it's just like whole things, a spectrum.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But I don't really think about it too much.

[B]

Right. You know, so I guess, like, what do you do day to day? Like, what's your like kind of rate routine?

[A]

A lot of it is pharmacology. Right. So I like, like using pharmaceutical. Yeah, yeah. So what that would kind of look like is I don't like the endocrine system, which is like your natural testosterone production. Because just in a modern society there are so many things that are meant to disrupt this process. So my entire mentality is just don't try to fight it with doing these stupid carnivore diets and wearing like this cotton clothes. It's like just get off the entire thing and use exogenous hormones. So that's the first thing that I do is testosterone.

[B]

What is that, like a syringe or.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. So that's one. The next thing is going to be a GLP1 agonist.

[B]

What is that?

[A]

So I use something similar to Ozempic called retatrutide and that's a peptide that basically suppress my appetite, making it difficult to eat. I don't really think about food too much. And because being lean is about 70% of what you could accomplish in terms of looks. Maxing.

[B]

Yeah. Really?

[A]

And then the next thing is, you know, hair loss because 2/3 of men by 21 years old are experiencing some form of male pattern baldness. So avoiding that is really going to be something that's crucial to maintaining those looks.

[B]

I agree.

[A]

So taking what's called a 5 alpha reductase inhibitor, testosterone converts into dihydrotestosterone through this one enzyme in your body. So you're blocking that process because DHT is going to be a huge problem for your hair.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Causes hair follicle miniaturization.

[B]

Would you rather lose your hair or your dick? Because I would say dick. Yeah. Yeah. Fucking. I would look terrible without hair. Looks sick.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

Yeah. But if you go bald, you could go jacked. You go Bruce Willis kind of.

[A]

No, that just makes you look like one of those cringe red pill jesters. I feel like.

[B]

I think those. I think they're jesters too.

[A]

Yeah. I kind of just like to refer back to the quote, like hair is life and if you have no hair, you have no life.

[B]

Confucian? Confucius.

[A]

No, that's actually Saint Hammoudy.

[B]

Who's Saint Moody.

[A]

Saint Moody? Just some autist from like the black veil space.

[B]

Oh, okay. He's not from the Bible.

[A]

No, no.

[B]

Okay. Yeah. And then you do. So you do like a finasteride or whatever, something similar.

[A]

Okay, do tasteride.

[B]

Because the tea makes you. Makes you go bald faster.

[A]

Yeah. It gives you acne, the testosterone and its byproduct. Yeah, the hydrotestosterone.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. So you just do those three things.

[A]

No, I mean we'll be sitting here for little while if we go through

[B]

the whole medical school.

[A]

Well, I got kicked out of school.

[B]

Yeah, but whatever, we'll get you back in. I don't, I don't want to be a Jewish mother. But you should go to medical school.

[A]

That's a horrible idea.

[B]

Why? You know all this crap. You can help people doing medical school.

[A]

I would never go back to school. I'm already doing good enough on social media where I can't even think about the word school in a serious context.

[B]

You could be a doctor. You could be a good. It's a good job.

[A]

No, no doctors.

[B]

You know all this stuff. Do doctors agree with the stuff you're saying right now?

[A]

Doctors are.

[B]

You're a rogue.

[A]

I'm telling you. Listen, these people are literally going to school for 10 years accumulating a retarded amount of debt.

[B]

Retarded? Yeah.

[A]

Just to make like you know, a wage that's not really going to elevate you to a position where you could beat any looks disparity. So it just doesn't really make sense to me.

[B]

Yeah, but your mom tells the daughter

[A]

like, like dude, if you're going to take out hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of loans, you might as well invest it into surgery rather than going to school.

[B]

What if you could be a plastic surgeon?

[A]

And by the way, you can actually get college loans and use it for surgery. So this is a method. So I've been, I've been telling people. Yeah, you can literally do that. So just misappropriating the funds, it's really not going to get you in that much trouble. And you'll mog so you'll be able to sort of get out of it.

[B]

Okay, let's do a rapid fire questions. Okay. This will be fun. You were interviewed by Michael Knowles. What do you think of that? Guy's a bitch. Do you know?

[A]

I thought he was very nice.

[B]

Okay, nevermind. I mogged when he came on here. He's a nice guy. Whatever.

[A]

He is nice.

[B]

He just tells trans people they should be eradicated. He's a really nice guy.

[A]

Yeah, so that's why I just like. I don't like to think about politics. Cause these people get into these manic head spaces over nonsense and I'm just losers, dude.

[B]

Why? Yeah, yeah, I have politicians on. They're.

[A]

Which ones?

[B]

They're jesters, dude.

[A]

Yeah, for real.

[B]

I had, I Had the mayor, Zo Ron, have you heard of him?

[A]

No, he's fine.

[B]

He's pretty far.

[A]

Zoran.

[B]

Zoran.

[A]

I never heard of the guy.

[B]

He's sick. He's the New York mayor.

[A]

Oh yeah, yeah. I'm so far removed. I can't give a man.

[B]

He's a. He's a. He's got a high sexual market value. Do you gesture when you're chilling with your boys? Can you gesture with guys? Can you just not gesture with girls? Is it okay to gesture with fellows?

[A]

Dude, honestly, it's okay to gesture regardless.

[B]

Oh my God. Thank you. When I read that gesturing was cope you I forced me to look in the mirror.

[A]

What I was learning this is like about. You just have to be kind of conscious of the fact that you're gesturing. That's like the main the distinction that needs to be made because some people will gesture and genuinely think it's like game or the right approach. Like if you just want to be silly and fuck around like that's perfectly fine.

[B]

It's fun to make a girl laugh at a joke though. It's fun.

[A]

Yeah. That's not really gesture maxing though. Gesture maxing would be like juggling that or just like maybe self deprecating humor would be like one thing. Yeah, that's like a very jester Max thing to do.

[B]

What do you do for fun? What's like what, what's.

[A]

Dude, I'm gonna be honest. I don't do anything besides stream.

[B]

Come on, bro, you gotta have fun. Sometimes you gotta put yeah with the boys and make jokes about it because it's a bad movie. Just try it out. Yo, where's the camera guy? Just do. Just please just promise me you'll do that with him.

[A]

Yeah. Fuck no.

[B]

Why? Fuck no.

[A]

Dude, I would rather. The way I think about it is like when I'm doing anything off camera that's like an activity, I'm like, I could be streaming this, getting paid right now.

[B]

Come on, dude, you can't just make you have a. You separate a little bit.

[A]

Think about it, right? There's literally people who do shit like mini golf and bowling and like go and hang out with like go to dinner dates with girls off screen. They're not getting paid, right? Yeah like dude, doesn't that with you a little bit? Like there's people who actually.

[B]

Do you think that that's what people are primarily doing or you make dinner with your girl, you put on a girl show.

[A]

Stream it, bro.

[B]

You do face. No, I don't, I don't know, I want to. I actually like, what a private life and I had to learn that.

[A]

Dude, I want my fucking hourly streaming.

[B]

Here's the thing. I think that people are a little. When I look at social media, I think like people are kind of ignoring the fact that you're 20, right?

[A]

Yeah. I would say that pretty much every content creator has seemingly got like this treatment for immaturity or like, you know, people excuse bad behaviors. But that's never been applied to me whatsoever.

[B]

Why?

[A]

I don't know. Maybe it's because I just come across as like more mature when I do like these long form, like podcasts a lot of the time. So people don't realize my age a lot of the times. And I'm also like a figure of authority in the looks maxing space.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So they're like, okay, well, we're not gonna give you an easy out on this one, but it's fine. I don't really, you know, complain about it.

[B]

What aspects of life would you not stream? Like, taking a shit. You would stream. Yeah.

[A]

Shower.

[B]

Getting pussy. Fucking.

[A]

Well, I mean, have you streamed getting.

[B]

Having sex.

[A]

You can't do that. Like actually put it on the camera. But I've done it like with the mic on.

[B]

Really? Wait, you're rocking. You're rocking her world. What's it like for a girl having sex with you?

[A]

Like one minute and then you have to go to a clinic a few days later?

[B]

You're, you're, you, you, you hit it. You hit it quick.

[A]

Yeah, bro, I gotta get back to work. I'm a busy guy.

[B]

Yeah, you're such a legend. It's crazy. Dude, you're such a legend. Why are girls more flattered about premature ejaculation? If a girl prematurely ejaculated sex? What? A girl should be like, wow, I was incredible today.

[A]

Yeah, dude, it's about my time. It's not about.

[B]

Oh, so you make yourself bust really fast.

[A]

Yeah, bro, I'm not here to flatter anyone.

[B]

So then just jack off.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, that's a good point.

[B]

Yeah. What is the looks back saying?

[A]

You ever do the Stranger?

[B]

What's the Stranger?

[A]

Oh, dude, I love telling people about this one.

[B]

What is it?

[A]

So basically you got to sit on your hand until.

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Classic.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

The Stranger.

[A]

I was gonna say, have you ever

[B]

done the Tennessee Pile Driver?

[A]

I kind of want to know. What is it?

[B]

It's you're stupping on a wall and the force is so big that you smash through the wall.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Have you ever Done. The Darwin.

[A]

The Darwin. Maybe by accident.

[B]

You put your soft dick in a girl's mouth and then it evolves.

[A]

Yeah, I've done that one.

[B]

That's a fun one. So do you feel like a fear, like an anxiety about staying on top? Like, I asked you this earlier, but are people coming for your spot ever?

[A]

No, I mean, like, there's. Making good content is kind of like the goal at the end of the day. And I think I'm pretty captivating based on what's been happening with the numbers. So I'm just gonna continue that. Continue. Continue being myself. Because.

[B]

What about Marlin? Who's. Who's this Marlin I'm seeing? Yeah, yeah, but he's a hot guy too.

[A]

I don't know. It's up to you, man.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't look at God. I don't. I don't do the math on guys. Hotness. Dude. Who's the hottest girl?

[A]

The hottest girl ever. Ever.

[B]

And we're gonna go around the room, get ready.

[A]

Maybe you go first. I don't know.

[B]

Denise Richards. That James Bond movie, Dr. Christmas Jones.

[A]

What, the old James Bond stuff?

[B]

Yeah. With Pierce Brosnan. Yeah. She was an 11 or the movie wild Things model. Yeah.

[A]

The thing about that question is, like, I'll kind of flip flop on the answer a little bit.

[B]

Who sweetie you think is number one?

[A]

No, I think that bitch looks like shit. Really?

[B]

I saw the clip where you're saying she looks like crap.

[A]

Yeah. So you baited me to say that she got big.

[B]

Have you seen the things?

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Kind of awesome. No?

[A]

Yeah. But it's just hard to get over that face. Come on, pause, and she's gonna be shooting your head off about some, like, political issue.

[B]

You think Sydney sweetie is political?

[A]

People want her to be.

[B]

They want her to be. They want you to be.

[A]

I know, bro. It's fucking retarded.

[B]

Why do people attribute looksmaxing to being right wing?

[A]

They just don't know what it is, man. So they're kind of scrambling to figure out what I'm about. Cause it's a whole new thing because

[B]

you're on forums, you say naughty words. So they think it's right wing.

[A]

Yeah, that's just like any fringe culture on the Internet is kind of like edgy and not something that you would hear just out and about on a day to day basis. So. Yeah, it's not necessarily political at all. It just looks. It's self improvement.

[B]

Who's the hottest chick? Dude, just. Come on, just tell me.

[A]

Hottest chick I Think Taylor Hill's pretty good. Just the model.

[B]

Run a pick. Let me see. Come on. She's fired. And you guys think that Matt Bonner is the hottest guy?

[A]

I said the highest in terms of the objective harmony ratios.

[B]

Matt from the Spurs. The redhead guy. The three point shooter. Matt Bonner.

[A]

Let's see.

[B]

Let's check. She's hot.

[A]

Let me see.

[B]

Do you take that down or no?

[A]

No, man, not yet.

[B]

Just say what up to her? Just DM her or something.

[A]

Couple more fashion shows maybe.

[B]

Really? She's a fashion model? Yeah, just say hi or something.

[A]

Dude, that's the thing.

[B]

You know what you should do? Respond to a story and say, damn, bro, she's perf. And then she'll say question mark and you'll be like, I meant to send that to my friend.

[A]

Dude. She descended.

[B]

That's what jesters do.

[A]

She descended since. Since that photo.

[B]

So she ended. She's dead.

[A]

Descended.

[B]

Descended.

[A]

Yeah, like looks worse.

[B]

I gotta show you some shit, dude. There's a whole wide world out there outside of male beauty. Peep this, dude. You're gonna love it. Those are nice headphones too. Check those out. You know this track? Put them on, dude, or you don't

[A]

want to mess up your hair. Not really my style.

[B]

Come on, dude. Can I put you. I'll play another track. Not really your song. You're an idiot. Okay. This song will change your life. Yeah. Garden State, dude. She says this song will change your life and it does. Does your boy know these songs? What, the Karma Police? Yeah. From Invincible. From what? The show. What's Invincible? Oh, you don't know it. It's an animated show. No, I don't watch cartoons, bro. What the. Man? You don't with this?

[A]

No, no.

[B]

You want to hear a song that I wrote? Tell me if this is good.

[A]

Do you want me to be honest?

[B]

Yeah, be honest. Honestly. Okay. When you're weary feeling small

[A]

A little slow.

[B]

Keep listening, dude. Wait for the hook. Like a bridge over troubled water. Can I ask you another question? What's your favorite animal? Dog. Yeah, me too.

[A]

I have a dog.

[B]

Me too. What kind of dog?

[A]

I don't know. I hate when people ask me that question. Like they think it's weird if. If you don't know what kind of dog you have.

[B]

Dude, look at my dog.

[A]

And that's another. Just like that's what. Normies interacting. Nice.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. What do you think I got her from the street treats?

[A]

Normies interacting is always so silly to me because they're like, what? It was like Normal people? Yeah, because they run into each other and they're like, oh, what kind of dog do you have? As if they give a shit about that.

[B]

Is they go mini golf. Yeah.

[A]

Answer. So. Yeah, no, I never.

[B]

Wait, let me see your dog then. Just be a normie for a second. Just be normal. Maybe for a second, dude. All right, your dog looks. That's your best friend.

[A]

Is that what they say?

[B]

I don't know. Who's your best friend? This guy in the back. He fucked 10 girls and he said low double digit. Yeah.

[A]

I can't even find a picture of my dog.

[B]

Like, where do you rank male beauty and like the kind of scale of what's important? Like the highest. Like higher than like kindness or something?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Really? Why is that?

[A]

Well, because these things are going to be perceived according to the physical, right. So like all the intangible things, like, you know, being kind or, you know, being funny. Yeah. That's all going to be haloed by your attractiveness. So there's no point in really valuing them as separate things when they're all kind of interconnected.

[B]

Well, like, Mother Teresa, she was a quite. She was a looker, but she was, she's famous for her kindness. Right. Like, she didn't need a baseline attractiveness. She was, she was kind. Right. Like, you know.

[A]

Well, nobody gives a shit about Mother Teresa. I'm gonna be honest with you.

[B]

People do. No, people, she's. She's. She's famous. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. But like, I think people are probably gonna care more about someone in Hollywood, like a Brad Pitt figure than they would Mother Teresa.

[B]

Cause he's hotter than her.

[A]

He probably mogs.

[B]

Yeah, he would mog her, that's for sure.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Since you've maximized your attractiveness. Right. The things that I've seen, like I found out about you from are like things like the car, the thing last week in Arizona, those kind of things, I guess, have those. Do you perceive those as complicated your life? Like, you know, like. So it's just like. Is the formula of like maximizing your attractiveness to make everything better, does that necessarily maybe. Does that complicate it?

[A]

Well, I just have an interesting status, I guess you could say, where I'm like a infamous figure.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So, you know, where there's a lot of love. And I would say that's 99% of interactions. Those aren't the ones that are going viral on headlines as some one dickhead who is a hater and wants to, you know, do some dumbass shit.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know what I Mean, so that's just what goes viral, but that's not the reality of the situation. Yeah, the reality of the situation is, you know, I'm talking about men's issues and kind of identifying with that. And no one's been a spokesperson for, you know, this. The struggle in any meaningful way. I would say there's a lot of.

[B]

You're the first.

[A]

Well, there's just a lot of, like, disinformation, I guess would be the way you could put it. Or there's sort of like a key element that's always been missing from the manosphere and the red pill space, which was that looks are an extremely important thing and they shouldn't be ignored. So I think young men, like, feel kind of understood by my message. Like, you know, by me.

[B]

What resonates, you think with young men?

[A]

Well, because I understand it, right? It's not like I have my head super big because I'm famous. It's like I kind of blew up on social media not that long ago. So I was right there in the struggle. Yeah. You know, I was still working a normal job less than a year ago.

[B]

Wage cook.

[A]

Yeah, I was wage cooking.

[B]

Yeah. What was your last job?

[A]

Working at a restaurant?

[B]

Yeah. If you're close with your sister, right. If someone told her that she was low tier Becky or subhuman, whatever, like, would you want to beat their ass?

[A]

Well, that'd be like sort of a cortisol spike. So the expectation for you to do some dumbass shit and, like, get into fights all the time, I think it's just a culture that definitely needs to be added. Like, I'm, you know, I'm high class and I don't do shit like that.

[B]

In the same sense as Michael Knowles fixating on trans people's lives. Like, what is the merit of telling someone that they. That they are nasty?

[A]

Like, well, yeah, I guess. And I would not really do that unless someone were to be a dickhead to me first. And I think any of the clips where it's just like, me, you know, talking to someone in a disrespectful manner, they always cut out the previous part of the interaction where they would just come up and start acting crazy. Like, I'm not.

[B]

I imagine so, yeah.

[A]

It's not like I'm going up to people and being like, oh, you're fucking subhuman.

[B]

I saw a clip where a girl was like, trying to flirt with you. She's like, why did you come say hi? You're like, because your cheeks look like. Or something. No, you said her, her man mandicular was crappy or something. Come on, be nice to girls, dude.

[A]

At least I am.

[B]

I would say you should be nice to girl.

[A]

I would say I'm. I've.

[B]

They're girls, dude.

[A]

There's a lot of clips of this, but pretty much every single chick of men person was like, wow, you're actually a lot nicer.

[B]

I think as a thesis, the concept that life is. Is exponentially better for people that are good looking is the most obvious thing in the world. And you are just articulating that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I don't like. To me, that just makes sense. Right, right. And that's been our, like, what's benefited us in life. Like, that's why we've just. Everyone's like, you know, like, it's fine. Like it's annoying sometimes, right, like when, you know, just girls are like this every time I, you know, publicly masturbating. Every. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. But, but like, but beyond that, what I'm saying is, is that like, I guess when I was younger, getting obsessed with something was something that losers did. Like cool people and hot people could just be normal. Right. And that's the fascinating thing about this is like it was never a cool thing to be obsessed with anything. And I think that that's what I'm trying to grapple with. You know what I mean?

[A]

Yeah. I would not really say that looks maxing is cool. I would say that it's something only.

[B]

But you're the coolest guy. You're the biggest streamer.

[A]

Well, I mean, it's more just that there's a lot more sides of the Internet now and there's a lot like people are just looking for what's new, what's fresh.

[B]

Have you enjoyed this?

[A]

Yeah, yeah, no, I thought, dude, I

[B]

think it's fascinating and I really hope that I'm not condescending.

[A]

No, no, no. I don't. I don't get any malicious vibe at all. You know, I would say, dude, I'm not going to lie. I already kind of forgot.

[B]

It's fine. Don't worry. That. Me too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's thrilling to be around me and stuff, right?

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

I'm awesome, right?

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

I feel the same way about you.

[A]

Thank you for having me on. Thank you.

[B]

Yeah, I feel the same way. But I mean also like, can. You're braided, right for.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

You could call me by my, My real name too. Okay. Yeah. Muhammad. Muhammad, my guy. I thought it was awesome. You enjoyed it. Guys, Sam. Sa.