DANNY BROWN Talks Diddy, BBWs, 50 Cent

Summary

The Adam Friedland Show

Episode: DANNY BROWN Talks Diddy, BBWs, 50 Cent
Date: January 2, 2026
Guest: Danny Brown

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Episode Overview

In this lively and irreverent episode of The Adam Friedland Show, Adam is joined by Detroit rapper Danny Brown. Their conversation is a sprawling, candid exploration of Danny’s career, Detroit roots, stories from his youth, music influences, hip-hop culture, and the wild rumors and scandals percolating in the rap world. Blending humor, personal reflection, and plenty of explicit real talk, the episode showcases Danny's honesty, wit, and evolution as both an artist and a person.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Danny’s Early Days & Hustle

• Life in his 20s:
  Danny reflects on the struggles of being broke, sleeping on couches, hustling for food and a night's sleep, and his openness to dating BBWs out of necessity and gratitude.
  • "I done hit some big...My entire 20s...I was broke and just living couch to couch." — Danny (00:04)
  • He offers detailed and humorous anecdotes about meeting women through party hotlines for food and shelter, noting the acceptance and kindness he found.

2. Rap Industry Insights

• Almost Signing with G-Unit:
  Danny recalls near-signing with 50 Cent’s label, G-Unit, and how his style didn’t fit their image.

  • "50 didn't like that I wore skinny jeans. He said, why are your pants so tight?" — Danny (10:17)
  • 50 Cent once gifted him “big ass pants with like some gold hundred dollar bills on the back pocket." (14:11)

• Detroit Scene & Rap’s Regionalism:
  Danny reflects on Detroit’s unique music evolution, the early open mic rap scene, and how Midwest artists had to hustle to break out compared to the East and West coasts.

  • "If you wasn't traveling to New York or LA to get a record deal, you wasn't really doing them." — Danny (14:36)

• Influence of Eminem:
  Discusses meeting Em (“Marshall”), the challenge of white rappers, and how Eminem’s intensity and self-awareness inspired a generation.

  • "He had to really go extra, extra to really be, you know..." — Danny (11:33)

3. Musical Influences & Evolution

• Hip-Hop Inspirations:
  LL Cool J, Nas, Wu-Tang, West Coast (Snoop, Death Row), and especially UK grime icon Dizzee Rascal.

  • "My favorite rapper was Nas. Growing up...But my biggest influence is a UK rapper, Dizzee Rascal." — Danny (17:54)

• Parallels in R&B and Hip-Hop:
  Discussion about classic R&B songs, their horny teenage nostalgia, and unapologetic sexuality compared to today.

  • "R and B has to come back...Man, they trying to be too cool. They don't want to sing about boners..." — Danny (52:38)

4. Danny’s Rise to Fame & Personal Struggles

• Breakout Moment:
  A lucky last-minute set at SXSW led to a huge boost in social media, and then the cover of Fader magazine.

  • "I killed it...the next year I was headlining Fader for it." — Danny (16:31)

• Struggles with Alcoholism:
  Danny reflects candidly on his alcoholism and how it affected his opportunities and relationships in music.

  • "At the time we met, I was still deep into, like, my alcoholism and still getting, you know, up and all that. So I'm sober, so you don't wanna be around that, you know?" — Danny (13:05)

5. Life Lessons & Candid Self-Reflection

• On Hooking Up While Broke:
  Danny shares the psychological toll and, in retrospect, lessons learned from seeking affection and survival in difficult circumstances.

  • "That was my 20s, man. I feel like once I got of age...my frontal lobe was developed." — Danny (59:49)

• Changing Perspectives:
  Although he used to engage in reckless behavior, Danny speaks about meditation and personal growth today.

  • "I'm definitely a changed man. I meditate 30 minutes a day now." — Danny (59:43)

6. Life in Austin & Community

• Moving to Hill Country (Austin):
  Danny talks about his new, more communal lifestyle, hanging around mostly older neighbors, and feeling like a bit of an outsider—but a content one.

  • "It's real communal. I go to the market...They don't even like me ordering Uber eats in my neighborhood." (62:51)

• On His Gun:
  Danny gets practical about home security, noting his expensive, professional-grade Staccato firearm.

  • "Staccato, it's very expensive. It's really used for like Olympic shooters..." — Danny (65:00)

7. Detroit Roots & Family

• Family and Upbringing:
  Shares stories about his young parents, his DJ dad’s influence, and 8th-grade dance parties in Detroit.

  • "My dad, he was the first person ever. He bought me Wu-Tang first cd. I didn't even know what Wu-Tang was." — Danny (31:47)

• Detroit Strip Club & Party Scene:
  Recalls wild teenage dance parties with local Detroit ghetto-tech music, strip clubs, and the formative experience of growing up in Detroit's high-crime years.

8. The New Album: Stardust

• Musical Direction:
  Discussion of his incoming album “Stardust,” including the influence of the hyperpop and breakcore scenes and collaborations with artists like Underscores, Jane Remover, Quadeca, and a Polish rapper, Ty Yukrenka.

  • "I was just really influenced by what was going on in the hyper pop break core scene." — Danny (40:49)

• On Getting Older, Artistry & Legacy:
  Danny talks about focusing on legacy, continual self-improvement, and making music for future generations.

  • "Now I understand more...it's a legacy thing. Like maybe fucking 30 years after I'm dead, some kid is sampling my records." — Danny (45:26)

9. On Rap, Internet, and Rumors

• The Diddy Freak-Offs Rumor:
  Danny reacts with amusement and skepticism to wild internet allegations about Diddy, and expresses sympathy for people falsely swept into such rumors.

  • "Just imagine Carl Winslow just chilling at the crib. And you just on Twitter, like, ugh, his mentions just started going crazy." — Danny (70:52)

• Impact of Social Media:
  Both Adam and Danny lament the power of internet rumors and how careless speculation can harm real people.

  • "That's why I'm off social media, dawg...I don't want to know." — Danny (71:59)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

BBWs and Early Hustles

• "I remember one time I hit a so big, and we was sleeping in the bed together...her roommate had came in the room. She didn't even know I was in the room." — Danny (00:06 / 21:52)
• "For a hot plate and a couch." — Danny (21:19)

G-Unit & 50 Cent

• "50 didn't like that I wore skinny jeans...He gave me some big ass pants with like some gold hundred dollar bills on the back pocket." — Danny (10:17, 14:10)

Dizzee Rascal as Influence

• "My biggest influence is a UK rapper, Dizzee Rascal...he's a Goat." — Danny (18:13)

Danny’s Philosophy on Collaboration

• "If they ask me some advice, I'm always here to talk, but I can't say I'm not hands on with anybody like that." — Danny (20:07)

Life in Hill Country, Texas

• "It's real communal...really like it. I go to the market...all like only local shops." — Danny (62:51)

On the Diddy Rumors and Social Media

• "But it was none of that...Just imagine Carl Winslow just chilling at the crib. And you just on Twitter, like, ugh, his mentions just started going crazy." — Danny (70:52)

Musical Legacy

• "It's a never ending quest to get better at it...I'm just making music for my legacy now." — Danny (45:26)

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Important Timestamps

• Danny on his early 20s and dating BBWs:
  00:04, 21:09–22:55
• Almost signed to G-Unit (50 Cent):
  10:09–14:18
• Detroit music scene, family, and influences:
  15:24–18:20, 31:47–33:56
• SXSW breakthrough story:
  15:59–16:52
• Dizzee Rascal, UK grime influence:
  17:54–18:19
• On personal growth, quitting alcohol, and being mean in rap:
  13:01, 65:36–66:06
• On the Diddy “freak-off” trial rumors:
  69:15–71:59
• Discussion about the new album “Stardust,” genre influences:
  40:46–41:49
• Legacy, artistry, and how streaming changes music:
  45:26–49:30
• On Detroit clubs, ghetto tech, R&B nostalgia:
  52:38–54:55
• Life in Austin’s hill country:
  62:48–64:55

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Tone & Language

The episode’s tone is fast-paced, funny, deeply honest, and at times profane and provocative—reflecting both Adam’s sharp comedic style and Danny’s willingness to be real about even the most uncomfortable or “cringe” moments from his life. Both participants weave between absurdity and candor, resulting in a vibrant, memorable, and revealing conversation.

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Summary By: Podcast Summarizer AI (2024)
For listeners and fans who want all the stories, humor, and insight without missing the best moments from Danny Brown’s wild, singular journey in hip-hop.

Transcript

[A]

What's the fattest? You would go with a girl?

[B]

I done hit some big.

[A]

What's the biggest?

[B]

I mean, my 20s. My entire 20s. I was broke and just living couch to couch kind of situation. So, yeah, for a hot plate and a couch. I remember one time I hit a so big, and we was sleeping in the bed together and like, her roommate had came in the room. She didn't even know I was in the room. We was laying next to each other. She didn't even know a was in that bed. Yeah, that shit was crazy. That's why I'm like, yeah, this gotta stop.

[A]

All right, last episode of the year, guys. Happy New Year to all of you. I hope you guys are doing well. I hope you're with your families. I hope you're relaxing. It's been a real wild ride. And thank you for a great year. I mean, should I do what I said?

[B]

Yes, I am.

[A]

Am I gonna get flamed if I. If I play? All right. I just want to say my life has really changed this year. It was a sincere note. Okay. This episode, I'm, like, hungover. I don't really do much. He kind of carries me, but let's get that out of the way. Danny Brown is the guest. But I was practicing this in the studio, and I thought from on a sincere note, like, it's been a. It's been a great year, and I love the guys here. I love you guys, seriously. And I appreciate you guys for liking the show. It's really cool that we can. That people think it's good. It's really cool, actually. It's sick and, like, our lives have changed. This is, like, so cringe. But I'm gonna do it. I don't care, guys, I've. You know what I learned this year? That. That it's okay to talk about what's in your heart. So I just want to say. I just want to say. Oh, one more. All right. Tears gone cold I'm wondering why.

[B]

Go.

[A]

Out of bed at all Morning rain closing my window look oh, all right. I'm not. I don't. All right. Tears, look. Tears gone cold I'm wondering why I go out of bed at all Motor rain clouds on my window and I can't see it all and even if I could it would all be great with your picture on the wall it reminds me that it's not so bad it's not so bad all right, now the. I got to. I got.

[B]

What?

[A]

How? What are the cores? Oh, it's so easy. I didn't even. Okay.

[B]

And I.

[A]

Want to thank you.

[B]

For.

[A]

Giving me the best year Year of my life. It kind of is. And I want to thank you.

[B]

For.

[A]

Giving me the best year. One more. And I want to thank you for.

[B]

Giving me the best year of my life.

[A]

Thanks, guys. I really appreciate it. Just to be with you. Oh, I want to get the chorus better. I'm sorry, guys. And I. And I want to thank you, all of you. And the boys too. Just to be with you. Is that good? No. No.

[B]

What?

[A]

Can I try one more? I'm sorry, guys, For giving me the best year of my life. Thank you, guys. Seriously. And I. Just to be with you. I hope Red Bar doesn't see that. Is it good? Was that embarrassing? The guest is Danny Brown. Enjoy this episode. I don't have it, guys. We're exhausted. How much did we do this year? It's been 11 months. Guys, a shout out to Zach in the other room. He's doing coverage right now. Thank you to you guys. We got a lot of big things.

[B]

Planned for the new year.

[A]

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[B]

What's up, brother?

[A]

You dress so cool, dude.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

Is this like your New York look or. You look like that in Austin, Texas too.

[B]

I mean, it's hot out there.

[A]

I know.

[B]

So I gotta, you know, I gotta pick my poison.

[A]

Do you like layering kind of like an autumn autumnal kind of fits? Yeah, yeah.

[B]

I mean, I plan for it. I like buying clothes. Preseason. Exactly. In the summer, I'm shopping for fall and you get.

[A]

You put on like a slouchy Saturday morning and you go to the farmer's market with your. With your. No, I don't know why I said it that way.

[B]

I really. When I'm home, I'm really more like. Just because it's so hot. So whatever you can wear just to not be hot.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah, I guess so.

[B]

They're too big.

[A]

They're big over there in Texas.

[B]

The people, I mean, they eat a lot. Have you seen the portions?

[A]

Yeah, it's disgusting. But if you came here, you'd be a. You'd be a tall gentleman. You're probably like five eleven, six foot.

[B]

Six, one, two, three, maybe.

[A]

Oh, in New York, I mean, on.

[B]

My Wikipedia they say I'm six, three, so we'll let that go. Yeah.

[A]

I'm just saying, you're like a New York 6, 8. Then. I'm just saying, you're like. It's a good feeling. Okay.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah. Danny DeVito is basically the. The normal, common New York.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

You see a lot of them guys, like, dating, like, elevens, and you're like, how does that work?

[B]

Money.

[A]

I was at the Zo Ron Mom Donnie election party last night. I got. I'm hungover.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I mean, it's pretty lame to.

[B]

I'm not jealous of you. Some things happen.

[A]

Some things. Some things happened last night. And I can't say because it's kind of a secret.

[B]

Sounds like a great time.

[A]

I'm just not talking to AOC again.

[B]

All right.

[A]

You know what you did? You know what you did. Do you feel like. Do you know that Zoron was a rapper? He was a rapper.

[B]

What's his rap Name.

[A]

Do you feel like representation knowing that there's a rapper mayor of New York?

[B]

No, no, that has nothing. I mean, rappers.

[A]

He's got smoke with 50, too. You know that? Really?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

50 is talking shit. He said that because he's gonna raise my taxes or something.

[B]

See, I've been staying away from social media, so I don't know what's going on.

[A]

Me, too. I just learned all this in the last, what, 30 minutes before the interview? Okay. No, but, yeah, famously, you were nearly signed by G Unit back in.

[B]

I mean, Tony Yayo took a liking to my music, so he was helping me out.

[A]

But. But there was something about your pants.

[B]

I mean, they didn't like. I mean, 50 didn't like that I wore skinny jeans. Really? Yeah.

[A]

He said, why are your pants so tight?

[B]

Yeah, he's so pretty.

[A]

So you're on Team Zo Ron in this beef right now.

[B]

I'm not on no team. Because we don't know in two years.

[A]

They'Re two of the finest rappers.

[B]

I don't trust politicians, really. So in, like, two years, we don't know what we got to see. We got to see his work.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

You got to show him proof first, so. I can't.

[A]

I think he's. I met. I met him, and I think he's just pretty. Like, he's just a millennial. He. He likes soccer.

[B]

Cause I remember when Detroit had a real young mare, really, Kwame Kilpatrick, and.

[A]

Oh, yeah, he caught some charges. Right. What was the scandal with Kwame Kilpatrick?

[B]

I mean, it was a lot, but I feel like it was, like, just misusing funds type of situation.

[A]

If Michigan. Let's say Michigan, had a governor race, right? And for the Republicans, you had Kid Rock and Democrats, you had Eminem, who do you think would win?

[B]

Eminem.

[A]

Eminem. Yeah. Yeah. Would it be close, you think, or.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

Yeah, I think I would go for Eminem, too.

[B]

Yeah. I think I vote for him.

[A]

Do you have a relationship with Marshall?

[B]

I met him. Yeah.

[A]

He really is so good at rapping. It's really like. But sometimes it's like you're rapping too good.

[B]

I mean, when EM first came around, it wasn't really too many white rappers, so it was like he had to really go extra, extra to really be, you know, And I feel like he was just a fan, so he cared more about the genre than, you know, the average rapper, I would say.

[A]

Yeah. Do you think there'll be more opportunities for white people?

[B]

It's a Lot of opportunities for white rappers right now.

[A]

I'm being. Were you part of the 8 mile thing? Was that a real thing?

[B]

I wasn't. I'm not from eight Mile.

[A]

But did you do. Did you go to the Mom's spaghetti kind of battle kind of place?

[B]

No, that was kind of like before my time. Yeah, kind of. That was like. Right. That was like the generation before me, so I would have loved to be a part of that world. When I came around, it was more like open mic. It was like open mic situations, but they were kind of like. It was kind of like dying out.

[A]

Were people doing standup at the open mic?

[B]

No, it was just rap.

[A]

Just rap. That would be so funny.

[B]

It used to be sick, though.

[A]

Yeah. If someone was just like, talking about Tinder in the middle of it and getting booed.

[B]

I mean, you would get booed if you was trash.

[A]

Did you ever go end to 8 mile mode where you're like, I live in a trailer. I never lived in lunch houses. No, but you say all the things embarrassing about yourself.

[B]

I think I do all the time. I mean, I just think that's self awareness.

[A]

You wrote you were inspired by B. Rabbit to do that. Was he kind of like a. I.

[B]

Think m inspired a lot.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

As far as like that, I think. Yeah, I guess.

[A]

So he never unked you as like a newer Detroit rapper?

[B]

I mean, I will say. I mean, at the time we met, I was still deep into, like, my alcoholism and still getting, you know, up and all that. So I'm sober, so you don't wanna be around that, you know?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Cause and I wasn't, you know, I was still having fun, so it wasn't. So. I totally understand that.

[A]

You drank a fifth of vodka and. Would you dare me to drive? Did you ever say that to him? That would've been funny.

[B]

Nah.

[A]

You were on, like, a verge of signing for G Unit.

[B]

I wouldn't say I'm on the verge. I mean, 50 started to. I mean, you know, I would make songs at Yale Crib and he'll play them for me. He eventually started to take a liking to me, you know, But I still. I just was.

[A]

I was too old.

[B]

I kind of feel like. So I was already stuck in my ways of what I wanted to be as an artist, and he wanted to mold me into something else.

[A]

Was there ever a moment where you were gonna just, like, they wanted you to just fucking sell out?

[B]

I wouldn't say sell out. It's just more what they thought would be more appealing to what the Masses of hip hop or the average hip.

[A]

Hop fan would like, did they pitch you on like an outfit or like.

[B]

No, I mean 58. He gave me some clothes one time.

[A]

Like just wear this bag of your pants.

[B]

It was some big ass pants with like some gold hundred dollar bills on the back pocket.

[A]

Wore em.

[B]

I did put on the damn pants. I wore them a little bit. Then I was getting no bitches really. And I was like, hold up, let me get these skinny jeans back.

[A]

Do you conceive of like the fact that like in hip hop today, like there was primarily just a coastal thing happening and it took a while for like I guess first it was Atlanta, maybe a little Houston maybe.

[B]

I mean but that's, that's just where like the bigger companies was at. So if you were somebody that was in the Midwest, if you wasn't traveling to New York or LA to get a record deal, you wasn't really doing them. But I still think it was like a lot of scenes still bubbling. Like Memphis been doing they thing for a real long time.

[A]

Since the 90s.

[B]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[A]

Have you ever listened to those early like DJ Paul Tips.

[B]

They're amazing.

[A]

Yeah, Little Fly, Lord infamous, all that shit.

[B]

I like Coops the nigga, but the.

[A]

Music just sounds like it's coming out of a shoebox or it sounds like it's coming out of hell actually.

[B]

I mean that's the, that's the vibe.

[A]

It just like sounds insane.

[B]

That's the vibe.

[A]

It's the best music I think ever.

[B]

Like I love that they took to it in like Asian countries now and it's like three six mafia style rap groups in like Tokyo and shit. Yeah, they make drifting videos to that shit.

[A]

Your dad like was a house dj, correct?

[B]

He hates that I say that he, he just DJ'd for fun, right? But like DJ house music, that was his style.

[A]

Detroit was techno, right? Chicago's house. And like the cool thing is like it's bigger in Europe basically. Like those, those artists are bigger in Europe than they are in the States basically.

[B]

In Germany and Germany, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Why there?

[B]

I think it's always just like Berlin. Berlin just always took to like like you have been a trezor.

[A]

I'm never gonna go, why, what's wrong with Berlin? That's fool me one situation. I'm not going back. When. So when, when did you like. When's the first time you felt like you, you like popped like or.

[B]

I mean it was, it was a year I was playing at south by Southwest. And, you know, I was just doing the normal shows, like, every. And the biggest show at the time was, like, Fader, Fortune, and Rafael Sadiq couldn't make his flight, and so they needed to fill the spot. And, you know, I was just starting to get a name, and it was bubbling, so they had me to come fill his spot. And, you know, I did great at the show. I started to see, like, my social media started to go crazy. I was gaining followers. And then maybe like a year later, I was on the COVID of the Fader. So that was, like, my moment.

[A]

I felt like, yeah, it sounds like an old story. Right? Like, there was a cancellation on Johnny Carson, and then I had a big. I had a great set. It's kind of like there's something like, oh, yeah. There's something sweet about it.

[B]

Yeah. Because it was just like, I had my moment, I was prepared, and I killed it. And so, yeah. So then the next year, I was, like, headlining Vader for it.

[A]

We had a great idea for a documentary. I know your manager's here. You want to pitch your manager on what our idea was?

[B]

Yeah, we're gonna go back to my motherland, which is the Philippines.

[A]

We're gonna go to the Philippines and connect with the A Wakanda. Kind of like retracing the ancestors.

[B]

I want to find out who speared my uncle.

[A]

Someone speared him. Like, Bill Goldberg style.

[B]

Like, no talking about with an actual spear.

[A]

No. Who did that?

[B]

We gotta go find out. That's what the documentary about.

[A]

Oh, so this is more of, like.

[B]

A revenge murder mystery.

[A]

This is a revenge true crime.

[B]

Murder mystery. True crime.

[A]

Just call Netflix right now. What are you doing?

[B]

Niggas are still getting.

[A]

He's on his phone right now. Who you texting? Netflix. He's bored.

[B]

I heard Netflix don't pay nobody, though, so.

[A]

What?

[B]

Netflix ain't paying nobody, so.

[A]

I know, dude, it's not true.

[B]

Go to Tubi, man.

[A]

Tubi's paying?

[B]

I think so.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Who, like, who did you look at as, like, your kind of influences? Like what? Like, what was the thing that kind of inspired you to get. To get started making music?

[B]

I mean, I knew I wanted to rap the very first time I heard LL Cool J. I can say my favorite rapper was NASA growing up.

[A]

Illmatic.

[B]

Yeah. And then, you know, Wu Tang. And then, you know, of course, like, I had a West coast face. Snoop and Death Row and all that. But my. I think my biggest influence is a UK rapper, Dizzy Rascal.

[A]

He's the best.

[B]

Yeah, he's a Goat.

[A]

He's the best.

[B]

He's a goat.

[A]

Have you met him before?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Is he cool?

[B]

A few times, yeah.

[A]

He's like, dude, how classy is that? Check it out, dude.

[B]

It's like, Don Dream, living the life.

[A]

Yeah, I'm hungover. I'm Don Draper, dude, I can't believe I'm hungover from a politics party. I gotta tell you, I would have.

[B]

To be drunk to go to that.

[A]

There was, of course, you had a famous incident once on stage. Pretty cool.

[B]

I wouldn't say so now that I look back on it.

[A]

I mean, you were. Yeah, you were probably.

[B]

I was in my 30s.

[A]

You were in your 30s? Yeah.

[B]

Too old to be doing that, kind of.

[A]

Oh, yeah. Well, how old were you?

[B]

In my 30s.

[A]

Yeah. How old in your 30s?

[B]

I can't remember. I was on a lot of Molly.

[A]

You could only run for president at 35, so that's pretty.

[B]

No, I think I was probably before 35.

[A]

Okay, so you're like 33.

[B]

Come on, you gotta go maybe about 33.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, 33. So you can't even be the president yet. Yeah, you can get your dick sucked.

[B]

30'S is still young, though.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So in retrospect, it was like. I mean, come. But it's not like the worst thing in the world.

[B]

I mean, I would like. I mean.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I like to forget it.

[A]

Yeah. I don't want to bring it up. It's probably annoying because you get like, asked about it.

[B]

Yeah. It's so long ago. That was like 20 years ago.

[A]

Yeah. And you weren't married to her either.

[B]

No.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I think it was a CIA psyop. Really?

[A]

CIA sector. Jake on stage.

[B]

I think. I think they've put. I think she was planted.

[A]

That's so them. That is so CIA. That is so CIA. I should have known. That is exactly the kind of thing they would do. They would do that. Why isn't the CIA?

[B]

It is a conspiracy theory behind that.

[A]

Do you have baby boys? Baby bros? Are there younger rappers that you look out for?

[B]

I mean, there's a lot of younger artists that I connect with, but I wouldn't say look out for her. I mean, if they, you know, when ask me some advice, I'm always here to talk, but I can't say I'm not hands on with anybody like that.

[A]

Is it like a lone wolf kind of world? Like, it's like, kind of like, ain't.

[B]

Comedy like that too?

[A]

I'm the only one that's comedy.

[B]

Definitely some lone wolf backstab. But with rap music, it's a little more communal.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah, like you can help each other.

[A]

Lose your best friend in rap.

[B]

Best friend in rap. I would say I have best friends because you know how that is. And I'm old. When you getting. I mean, I don't know. I'm not like hanging out, you know.

[A]

As a man, you should have friends, right?

[B]

I really like hanging out with Quadeca. That's my homie. We went to go see Weapons. It was a great time.

[A]

Was it a good movie?

[B]

Hell yeah. I like that.

[A]

Yeah, that's nice. You go to a movie with your friend from work?

[B]

Yeah, you know, he was in Austin. He's like, you wanna go see Weapons? I'm like, yeah, I feel good. I wanna go on a date.

[A]

What's the fattest? You go with a girl?

[B]

I hit some big.

[A]

What's the biggest?

[B]

I mean, my 20s, my entire 20s. I was broke and just living couch to couch kind of situation. So.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

For a hot plate and a couch.

[A]

Oh, good for. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. I used to be on them phone chat lines. And then the fat, the fat. They used to be sounding good too.

[A]

Really?

[B]

You'd be like, damn, this boy. I noticed me show up £300, like, all right. I just always used to have a pep. I used to have a pep talk with my way while I was on the way over there and be like, man, it don't matter, man. Whatever it is, I'm hitting it, man. Yeah, you just gotta be strong.

[A]

I only did it one time, you.

[B]

Know what I'm saying? You just gotta be strong. Get over there. Like. Yeah, If I knew, see, you'd be mentally prepared. I remember one time I hit a bitch so big and we were sleeping in the bed together.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And like, her roommate had came in the room. She didn't even know I was in the room. We was laying next to each other. She didn't even know a nigga was in that bed. Yeah, that shit was crazy. That's what I was like, yeah, this shit gotta stop when I'm fucking B. So big I could hide behind em.

[A]

You didn't know that it was a two man situation.

[B]

I was hungry that night. She said she was buying pizza.

[A]

Really?

[B]

She had weed? I'm like, man, I'm tired of sleeping in that grandma crib. Let me just get a night away. And then it'll make you start to appreciate the grandma crib. Cause you be like, damn, that was hard work. I can't do that every night. That was some shit.

[A]

It was some Heavy lifting.

[B]

I mean, it just.

[A]

You know, I only did it one time, and it would feel like she. Every time I've been with a lady, I've been like, she's an idiot. What is she doing?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What a fool. Like, imagine your father. And then. But with the. The bigger one, she was like. She was like, thank you. She appreciated me. She made me feel beautiful. Yeah. She made me feel beautiful.

[B]

They have a purpose. I have purpose, man.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And if it does feel like you've kind of.

[B]

So I don't got no. Like, I don't got no type.

[A]

Yeah. No type whatsoever. Yeah. It's kind of gay to have a type.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I like.

[B]

I'm more about personality.

[A]

Come on. But you wouldn't be with some sort of.

[B]

If I hate you, I can't be around you.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But if you're somebody that's, like, with.

[A]

An eye hanging out of the socket, you wouldn't do that. If it's a great guy. Girl. I mean, I'm hungover.

[B]

I'm trying to think about it, like, if I knew her.

[A]

If I knew her before. Imagine a small hand. But she's, like, funny as fuck now.

[B]

For basically, like Toxic Avengers.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. Acid burn victims.

[B]

Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

[A]

And it's no shade. I mean, we could be friends.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Can you be friends with a girl?

[B]

I don't think so.

[A]

I don't think so either. They always fall in love with us.

[B]

I try.

[A]

They always fall in love with us. And they say things like, you're not there for me. And I'm like, you're not my girlfriend. You're not my girlfriend.

[B]

I mean, it's possible, but it's possible. I just. I think I just wasn't at the right place in my life to be friends with women when I were. Because I kind of now miss those kind of relationships.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because you can kind of talk to them about different. That you tell one of your homemade. Man, shut your gay ass up.

[A]

Right. You could be sensitive with them.

[B]

Yeah. Sometimes you need the outside perspective. You need to talk to a. About a. I know.

[A]

You could, like, say a little, like, gay thing once and then it's kind of. She'll. You could be like, I know.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. And she'll like, they like, you can be yourself. You could be yourself. You can watch me. You watch reality TV.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You'd be like, let's see how 90 Day Fiance. See how real these housewives are.

[B]

That's my thing. 90 Day Fiance.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. I love that. Do you find that you end up hating the American every time. I think I do. Every time.

[B]

No, because.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

I'd be rooting for the scammers.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I kind of the African niggas with the fat white bitch. I'd be like, yeah.

[A]

Who's the best one?

[B]

That was the best one.

[A]

The Nigeria guy. The Nigerian guy. And she went to Nigeria.

[B]

She had cornrows and all type of.

[A]

So disgusting.

[B]

That woman.

[A]

He's a good man. She's like. And then I saw he had. He had 2,000 other women on his social media. And then she felt betrayed.

[B]

That's some shit right there.

[A]

Yeah. And he's wearing the trumpet. He's like a great businessman. Yeah.

[B]

He had moved. He moved with her, didn't he? She tried to like, make him like he was just babysitting kids and shit.

[A]

Oh, she was one of those you can't see the roommate on the other side kind of ladies.

[B]

No, she was. She who. What I'm talking about was crazy Mountain.

[A]

Really?

[B]

It was a mountain.

[A]

Really? Yeah.

[B]

That was like three or four of them. I'm talking about like the 600 pound type shit. Really? Like, you see. Yes.

[A]

I'm telling you, like, they can't leave the house. She was left.

[B]

Since she left the house. But I'm telling you, it was painful. I know she used to be in pain.

[A]

How did you know that? She was offering the pizza. But she's like, you have to exchange some services.

[B]

That's how she wooed me.

[A]

So you were out. Where did you see her? Do you remember. Do you remember the series of things?

[B]

No. Back in. This was in the early 2000s. This is back in the day where you can call one of them party lines up on the phone and it'd be like. It'd just be. You could just. You be listening to Profile and be like, I'm at the crib right now and it's hot and juicy. Really don't pull up. And then you gotta press the number. You gotta press the number, leave her a message. And then she immediately leave her a message, like, just hit my number. Then y' all will call or whatever. And then you link up. Really?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

She's like, I was just about to order a pizza. I got some weed, I just need some dick. I should have knew she was big when she said that though. I'm like, all right, this sound like a good night?

[A]

That sounds great.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, I'm not saying it was a bad time. You had a great time. I mean, I was the way I felt about myself the next day when I got back to my grandma.

[A]

That's self hatred. That's self hatred. You didn't hate her.

[B]

I was really ashamed.

[A]

She's a great person.

[B]

I was ashamed. And I only was ashamed because then in the morning, I was like, damn, I need to get some cigarettes. She's like, ah, you can walk to the gas station. I remember we walked to the gas station together.

[A]

Took forever.

[B]

And then all was a nigga, he was pumping his gas. And just the way he was looking at me, like I just knew him. I. That's something. He was like, no, no, no.

[A]

He's like, he called the party and.

[B]

I tried to just be proud, look him in the eyes, like, yeah, I'm with the big, but I ain't want to go through that no more. That's all it was.

[A]

What about it, sir?

[B]

Public perception is everything, man. I wasn't that mature in life, man.

[A]

Did you tell her, what did you say to your grandma when she came back?

[B]

It just was a ghosting. I mean, my grandma, she wanted me out the house for the night. Like, damn.

[A]

So she was like. Your grandma was like, just go find one of these.

[B]

No, she didn't care. I'm just saying, like, I'm, you know, when you couch.

[A]

She didn't say, how was last night?

[B]

No, my grandma, she was happy I was gone somewhere.

[A]

She wasn't like, tell me all about it. She's like, I hope.

[B]

I hope he move in with the bitch.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Is she still with us, your grandmother?

[B]

Hell yeah.

[A]

She kicking the shot. How old is she now?

[B]

I don't know. She old.

[A]

Does she know that you have money now? I mean, or does she still treat you like you're like, on the couch?

[B]

My grandma was a boss, man. My grandma owned like five houses. So me, my money, she probably like, he still ain't got money like that. My grandma that got her.

[A]

My grandma's a grandma too.

[B]

It couldn't even be real money to her.

[A]

My grandma, I will, like, you doing.

[B]

All right for yourself.

[A]

I, like, will not see her for a year. And then I'll see her and she'll be like, you have problems. I'll be like, you, lady.

[B]

Mine is my grandma. My grandma cuss a lot.

[A]

Mine is.

[B]

My Filipino grandma is pretty cool, but she. She's very strict.

[A]

Is she good at karaoke or. No?

[B]

No, my grandma. I mean, my grandma been here since the 60s. Really? Yeah, she goes back every blue moon. No, I don't think my grandma, she good at sewing.

[A]

I Don't know if that's a Filipino thing.

[B]

I mean, that's her job. That's what she always did.

[A]

They're unreal.

[B]

I thought that was always like. That's like more of like a Japan.

[A]

No, no. Karaoke is a Japanese word. But the Filipinos really gave it a new meaning.

[B]

I know they love it over there in, like, the uk, too.

[A]

Yeah, but they don't do a Filipino style like that.

[B]

I mean, I never was a karaoke guy, to be honest. I feel like I'm working for free.

[A]

Cause you make your own songs.

[B]

Yeah, I'm working for free at that point.

[A]

For me, I feel like it was fun.

[B]

I've been one time and I sung Chief Keef.

[A]

You went with Chief Keef?

[B]

No, that's the song I performed. Was Chief Keef. Oh, no, I did Ke$. You did Kesha.

[A]

And it's going down.

[B]

I'm yelling. Tim Burr. Yeah, I did that one. That song is so good, actually.

[A]

Put that on.

[B]

Yeah, that's a great karaoke.

[A]

So did you ever meet Chief Keef? Yeah, he's the best, right?

[B]

Yeah, he's amazing.

[A]

He's amazing. He's like a normal guy now, too. Have you seen. That's great, because he was just. He was on drugs when he left.

[B]

I mean, he left la. I mean, he left Chicago, you know. Yeah, he spent his whole twenties in.

[A]

LA now, but everyone thought that he was, like, potentially mentally retarded.

[B]

But like Asperger's, don't he?

[A]

Yeah, probably. But that. That's why the hooks are. I think he said that's why the hooks are so good. But, like. But then I saw an interview with him like, a couple months ago. He's like, yeah, just need to get out of Chicago. Pretty much. Pretty much happy here in LA. Just like a normal guy.

[B]

I mean, he, like 39. I think he like them.

[A]

He's like 30.

[B]

Yeah. So I'm saying he spent his whole 20s in LA. I feel like that was a pivotal time in his life. So, yeah, definitely changed him. He's definitely a different person than what he would have did if he grew up in Chicago. In Chicago?

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. Was Detroit as crazy as Chicago when you were growing up or. No?

[B]

I mean, I think Chicago just going through a real hard time right now. I feel like every city has those phases of just spikes of crime type. But I think Detroit has definitely chilled out from when I was a kid.

[A]

What was it like growing up? Because it was like, post like Autoboom.

[B]

I mean, it was. I just remember all that kind of like going down, you know, as time progressed. Cause my grandma worked for Chrysler, you know, so. And I just. But she got hurt on a job, so she had retired real early.

[A]

She did, yeah. And your parents, were they in the auto industry or.

[B]

No, no, no, no. My mom had me at 18. My dad had me at 16. They had four kids by the time he was 21.

[A]

Your dad's 16, your mom's 18. Mm, that's pretty cool.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Did you respect him for that?

[B]

I mean, my dad was like. I mean, they were young.

[A]

Well, he pulled.

[B]

He was like kids, growing kids. I never thought about that, but.

[A]

Did your dad hurt his hand?

[B]

Yeah. How you know about that?

[A]

From all the high fives?

[B]

Oh, no, no. He did lose a finger though.

[A]

Oh, never mind. From all the high fives.

[B]

No, he worked somewhere.

[A]

Oh, in a factory.

[B]

Yeah. Some type of.

[A]

Oh, you're closer with your mother or.

[B]

Your father, I would say it's equal.

[A]

Really?

[B]

It's equal. I grew up. I mean, they were together all the way till I was about 18. So my pops is in and out the house.

[A]

What music do they show you?

[B]

Growing up, my dad, he was a super hip hop fan.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So, like he was the first person ever. He bought me Wu Tang. First cd. I didn't even know what Wu Tang was.

[A]

Really.

[B]

Yeah, like that.

[A]

You're like a cool dad.

[B]

Yeah, definitely. Like even, like just with, even, like with clothes and shit. Like, my dad would get the Jordans the first day they came out. Whatever new console, video game console was coming out, we'd get it the first day, but then he'll play it all the goddamn time. So then you had to wait three days, but you can even try it out.

[A]

My dad got it. My dad did that with my nes. He got addicted.

[B]

My dad was addicted to Madden, man.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. And I was addicted to Super Mario. I was like, can I play? He invented a new hand hold.

[B]

Like, you like this.

[A]

What are you, 14 year old Asian kid? What are you doing? It's like he was like up late, like. Yeah, yeah.

[B]

That kind of shit.

[A]

That kind of stuff. It's really annoying when our dads are kind of trying to do kids stuff like that.

[B]

I mean, it was a gift and a curse because I was happy to have all the games and shit.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And you know, like I said, my pops was in and out, so sometimes he might be gone for like three, four days, but then he come back.

[A]

With the coolest gift ever.

[B]

Mm.

[A]

Oh my God, that's so awesome.

[B]

Yeah, I know. Right, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Did he have a cool car? Yeah, my dad, he was one of those dads who rolls up in a cool car and he's like, I'll see you around the way.

[B]

I think, yeah. The coolest car my dad had, he had. Remember the Eddie Bauer Explorer trucks? When they first dropped, we had that.

[A]

We had that.

[B]

We'd be wearing Eddie Bauer and driving in the Eddie Bauer Explorer. Didn't you know the green one? Yeah. The real you.

[A]

Remember the tires exploded. The Firestone tires.

[B]

Did they? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

It was like the most popular car in America. Then there was like a huge recall because the. The tires, the tires were exploding on the Ford Explorer. Sa.

[C]

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[A]

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[B]

I've been going for four years now.

[A]

But, like, kind of like most. Most people, like, go to New York or la.

[B]

I feel like I've had my stints, but I just always felt like I couldn't handle myself. I wasn't disciplined enough to be in LA or New York.

[A]

You were like with Paris Hilton kind of situation?

[B]

No, I just knew that I partied too hard in Detroit. You know, you get them winners, you can't do shit, stay in the house. And I work on music really, you know, so I think it was great that I didn't try to leave Detroit too soon because I just wouldn't have knew how to handle it.

[A]

Do you have, like, a production partnership that you've maintained, or is it. Do you kind of just.

[B]

I think, yeah, I keep a relationship with everybody that I work with in some sense, but I feel like every album I'm always trying to find a new sound or something to influence me. So it's always good to, like, work with newer people coming up and stuff.

[A]

I have some of. Some stuff I can show you.

[B]

Okay. Yeah.

[A]

Let's talk about the new album. What was the new. You say that you try out different things each time.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What was the thought process this time around?

[B]

I mean, I was just really influenced by what was going on in the hyper pop break core scene. So I wanted to reach out and work with a lot of those artists.

[A]

Who produced on it.

[B]

I got Underscores, Jane Remover, Quedeca, Holly, did a lot you know?

[A]

Did you get British folks? That sounds British style to me.

[B]

I have a Polish rapper on there, Ty Yukrenka. Really?

[A]

You know, the Polish, they get a rough rap, you know, I mean.

[B]

Cause she. That's what I'm saying. Hers, when she rap, it almost sounds.

[A]

Oh, it's a girl. Polish. Yeah.

[B]

It almost sounds Asian.

[A]

Almost. Really?

[B]

Yeah. The way she. She's sick, man. Ty's sick.

[A]

When you're saying you're getting interested in, like. Like break core. You called it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What? Just describe what that sounds like.

[B]

Break core. I mean, dgcore, breakcore. It's just more like.

[A]

Like, is it, like, dance? That's what it sounds like to me.

[B]

I would say it's kind of like a cousin of, like, drum and bass and jungle.

[A]

So it sounds British, right?

[B]

Yeah, yeah. It's definitely influenced. Definitely a lot of samples from that.

[A]

Yeah. It's music that, like, on a rainy day, you drive like a VW Golf, like a gti.

[B]

I just walk in the rain.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's beautiful.

[B]

Yeah, you just walk in the rain.

[A]

Do you conceive of, like, when you finish the song? Have you ever. Do you ever conceive of, like, I've written the. That's a perfect song, or do you, like.

[B]

I never say perfect song because I always want to get better. I feel like with music is never. You never. You know, like, even Bowie did it till he was gone, you know, so it's like you get. And it's one of the Ellis albums he made.

[A]

Is he your goat, Black Star? Yeah, it's so good.

[B]

That's what I'm saying.

[A]

So, like, I could only listen to.

[B]

It twice because I ain't about to go back. I'm not running Black Star back.

[A]

He's your number one. He's one of your number ones.

[B]

I mean, definitely a huge inspiration. But I will say I wasn't around for that time to where I'd seen the impact. But just reading, you know, studying, doing the history, I definitely could get some inspiration from there. I would say Prince, too. Kind of like that.

[A]

Yeah. Midwest. Mm. Did you ever meet him?

[B]

No. I wish.

[A]

I wish, too.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. He would be so mean to me.

[B]

That same thing. I was literally thinking in my head, like, he probably imagine how mean he would be.

[A]

I'd be like.

[B]

I mean. But I wouldn't have it no other way.

[A]

The artist I'm so excited to meet.

[B]

I mean, I wouldn't be disappointed by that. That's what I would say. You know how they, like, never meet Your idols type shit. I would just expect that prayer.

[A]

He was mean to his friends.

[B]

If he was nice to me, I'd be like, oh, shit.

[A]

He hated Michael and Michael just was completely unfazed by it. That rivalry was the funniest rivalry in the world.

[B]

I can't pick between them two.

[A]

I was Michael growing up.

[B]

Of course, I was too. But once I got old enough, I realized the genius of Prince.

[A]

When Michael did the dick grab thing when I was a little kid, I would see it on TV and I started doing it and then my eye would get in so much trouble.

[B]

Mike fucked me up, man. I got my ass whooped with Mike. Really? Yeah.

[A]

It was not cool to like Mike.

[B]

I mean, that bad video came out and you remember he was in the subway being bad and shit.

[A]

And you know, and those are real bad guys in the video. He got real bad guys.

[B]

I know. I was getting bullied on the playground and I thought you thought your butt is mine.

[A]

You were trying to do your butt is mine.

[B]

No, I just thought, do what Michael do and get up out of this. You know what I'm saying? So I hit the. Oh and got punched right in the mouth.

[A]

You thought that was real fighting?

[B]

I was diluting. Music ran my life. You know, it was always.

[A]

You thought that was how it was. Person fights.

[B]

I. I didn't know. But yeah, I did try to break out the bad routine before the scrap and got my ass.

[A]

Imagine if it worked.

[B]

So embarrassing. I'm glad we moved, dude.

[A]

You have to move schools. You have to move schools out.

[B]

Yeah, I think you right. But yeah, I got my ass whooped.

[A]

I mean, that is something I didn't.

[B]

Even realize you can punch people in the mouth to then like, damn, this nigga just. I just saw that shit on TV.

[A]

Was like second grade and it sounded the same.

[B]

No, this was kindergarten.

[A]

Kindergarten?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, that follows you to 12th grade.

[B]

Oh, shit.

[A]

Oh, yeah, you got. Cause it's had to have been so funny.

[B]

Or no, maybe it was first grade and maybe it was first because I remember. Yeah. Cause we moved mid semester type shit. So it was first grade.

[A]

You had the nicest parents in the world.

[B]

No, they were already planning the move.

[A]

Getting out of Dodge when you embarrassed them.

[B]

They were already planning the move. It just lined up right. But yeah, I got punched in the face.

[A]

Did you have to learn how to fight?

[B]

I don't think I ever did.

[A]

I don't think I ever did.

[B]

I just realized, just punch him in the mouth first.

[A]

Punch him out first.

[B]

Yeah, that's all Even if you get your ass whooped after, everybody gonna remember you fired on them first. So, yeah, I just took that motto. Anytime I felt threatened, I would just punch a nigga in the mouth.

[A]

Did it, like, sometimes it didn't work hard enough.

[B]

I mean, I don't think I never. I never knocked nobody out.

[A]

So, yeah, I guess, like, like moving forward, like, what. What are some, like, goals that you keep you going, like, as an artist?

[B]

I mean, I feel like, you know, music is something like I say you can never. It's a never ending quest to get better at it. And now I understand more. So like, it's a legacy thing. Like maybe fucking 30 years after I'm dead, some kid is sampling my records and making hit songs out of them or whatever the fuck. So right now I'm just making music for my legacy now.

[A]

Do you listen to early records and you think like, oh, that, like, I'm better now?

[B]

Hell yeah. Yeah. Hell yeah.

[A]

Are you like, that guy's a better.

[B]

But it was a different way of going about making songs at that time.

[A]

Yeah. How did Nas do that at 17 then? It's so weird.

[B]

Just born with it, man. But then, you know, I feel like him having a jazz musician father.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And you know, like your parents having them record collections in the house and they really into music, like, that shit definitely plays a huge part. But yeah, I like that, like doing the history of music, you know, like going back and like, just really like figuring out records that stand the test of time. And maybe one day I'll have a record like that where people are still talking about, like 30 years later.

[A]

So instead of top five rappers, what is your five of that?

[B]

I mean, I have my. I mean, I feel like five of my favorite rapper records may not stood the test of time versus records that I know stood the test of time.

[A]

Yeah. You know, so what would some of those be?

[B]

Records that I think stand the test, like, even. Shit, just look at something like Marvin Gaye, what's going on? Shit, look what the fuck going on right now. You get what I'm saying? Records like that.

[A]

Sometimes when I listen to Future, I think that actually.

[B]

Oh, no, definitely.

[A]

Or like when I listen to like Future, like Blues. Well, when I listen to like March Madness, he's like, even like. He's like in a club, right? And he's like, on so many drugs, right? And his head can't, like, keep track. It's like he keeps changing tracks and he's like. He's like, damn, the cops are killing people. Should I. This girl, even if she's ugly, you know? And he's just. But he's like, also like, I'm maybe too up right now, and I'm super famous, but I still feel all alone.

[B]

Yeah, Future is.

[A]

It's just kind of how it is. A very alienating time. Cut that, please. All of that. That is sucks.

[B]

No, I understand what you're saying. Because Future. Future is kind of like blues music for toxic niggas that owe child support.

[A]

It's true.

[B]

And Gaslight, it's like gaslighting for them. You know what I'm saying?

[A]

But don't you buy it when he's like, I cheated on you, but I'm sorry. So sad. You're like, damn, he's having a tough time. It really.

[B]

I understand.

[A]

I'm like, wow. Yeah. He really has a lot going on.

[B]

Sounds like a struggle with discipline.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, rap used to be like, when I. When we were kid. I mean, you're a little bit older than me, but when I was a kid, it was about like I had nothing. And now I'm. And then I made a lot of money and now I'm celebrating it, right? And now it's kind of like I have. I got to the top, but I, like, don't trust anyone around me.

[B]

Drake started that. I don't know. I think. I mean, one thing, I feel like hip hop always been rooted in. And this tradition has always been originality. So I like just hearing different stories. And I like hearing, like, regional rap where you can. Like, you've never been there before, but you can close your eyes and hear them describe it. And you'd be like, ah. That's what's going on in the Magnolia Projects in New Orleans. You know, like, listen to Illmatic. Like, that's Queensbridge, you know.

[A]

Right.

[B]

So that's what I loved about rap.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

Even when I listen to Dizzy Rascal, I'm like this London betting no greens. You know what I'm saying? So, yeah, take me to your hood. That's what I like. I wanna know what's going on. It's like news. It's like our ghetto news. But it ain't like that no more. Cause the Internet, everybody merged in. So everybody make the same sounds now. You know, it's just some regional everywhere.

[A]

But you think it's fucked up that a kid could listen to, like, Spotify? You can listen to any song ever.

[B]

No, I think that's actually great, to be honest. Cause I know a lot of kids.

[A]

Got a cd and we Listen for two months.

[B]

I think that is great. Cause a lot of kids could go back and do their research and do homework. I really do think that's the great part about it. But I don't.

[A]

I wonder if they get as deep, though.

[B]

I know. I know some. I mean, kids that are into music, they get in deep. I can't say, like, kids that I've known. But they are making music, though, so they do. Some kids right now, more knowledge about old school than me. And I'm like, what the fuck?

[A]

Yeah. For me, it's just like. I think that, like, when I would go to the mall, I get one cd.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And it'd be a month. Yeah. And I would just like. I. I think that I needed that time to, like, just listen over and over and over again to really get something. But these kids, I feel like you could just keep changing to, like, different things. I wonder if they could, like, really just absorb it. Like, me and my cousin got Dark side of the Moon. And we. We were like 11, and we turned off all the lights and we pretended to be high. Oh, we like, imagine, like, one day we're going to be high. And it worked. And it's sick, dude.

[B]

I've done it before. I think everybody needs one acid trip. Dark side of the Moon.

[A]

Oh, you've done it to Dark side of the Moon? I've done it on real record.

[B]

I mean, it made me appreciate it a lot more.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I like it Regular South.

[B]

I didn't. I can't say. I mean. Yeah, it's definitely a different experience.

[A]

I love the Floyd, dude. What's your favorite song on Dark side of the Moon?

[B]

The first one.

[A]

The Time. No, no, Time isn't the first one.

[B]

I definitely don't know the tracks. Yeah, the moment.

[A]

That's Time. No, no, the first track is.

[B]

Yeah. What is it? Breathe. How does it.

[A]

What is it?

[B]

The way that should start.

[A]

Keep going, Zach.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, that shit. That's the hardest shit.

[A]

That's so sick. Best band ever, dude. Do you remember that song? I don't wanna know. Yeah, if you're playing me, keep that on the low.

[B]

You know what song that guy's like, getting?

[A]

This is the cuck anthem, bro.

[B]

Yeah, that is. If you listen to a lot of those songs and you just think about it, like, you be like, man, they tripping. I remember that one Back street song where they just singing about getting the boner on the dance floor. Which is that called, like, when we always grinding. I get so excited. It's all about Getting a boner.

[A]

At the bar. Misfit.

[B]

You're making it hard for me. They just singing about boners.

[A]

This is Rebecca Schwartz and the angriest boner you ever had in your entire life. Just like I need to. 13 year old boner.

[B]

They're thinking very aggressively about getting a boner too. Like, they're excited. Like, damn, that's like the blue ball started kicking in. Like, ooh, how I like it. Try, but I can't fight it. You making it hard for me. I was four niggas in the booth singing in unison. You making it hard for me without breaking the laugh.

[A]

Just with your friends.

[B]

Yeah. Who wrote that, man? Honestly, it is actual. That's like songwriting genius.

[A]

Yeah. What is the girl part? The girl feel a little poke coming through.

[B]

Yeah. The girl part says feel a little. I feel a little coming through. Oh, you. Oh, you know I can't help it. Those are some freaky niggas, man.

[A]

R and B has to come back.

[B]

Yeah, man, just six. They trying to be too. They trying to be too cool. They don't want to sing about boners and. And shit no more. Cause we all couldn't relate to that. Like, yeah, I remember them bitch grinding on me, that motherfucker. You gotta put the mushroom under the drawband, under the elastic. You got your dick on your belly button.

[A]

You like, man, just these guys. Like, I'm so rich and I'm so sad. Like, that was the purest shit.

[B]

You got your dickhead peeking out the bushes.

[A]

Yeah. 12 o'. Clock. Yeah. Still on Mustard at the top.

[B]

He's just up there like, oh, yeah. But how did they convince her to sing that part? I feel like as a woman, I would've been like, hold up, man. Y' all niggas are here tripping.

[A]

She thought it was a cool song, probably.

[B]

That's like dance. That's like wedding reception fucking.

[A]

I know people have danced with their grandmas to that song.

[B]

That's what I'm saying. It's crazy now. It's crazy now. When you really think about who was cutting the rug to this freak.

[A]

Dancing for us boys was bar mitzvah era. And it was just our parents were there and we were just like, yeah, I have a couple friends just let it go inside the pants.

[B]

In Detroit. In Detroit, we had ghetto tech, though, so. And that's like the most, like, blatant, like, sex over sexually music ever. So that's what I was growing up like teenagers and shit.

[A]

There was nothing left to DJ assault.

[B]

Yeah, DJ Assault. Ass and titties and shit.

[A]

Oh, that's ass and titties and titties.

[B]

Yeah. That's what I used to. That's in Detroit as a kid. That's what we used to hear when we go to like parties and we didn't hear like top 40 radio. It was just DJ assault mixtapes. There's some hoes in his house.

[A]

I wonder how he came up with that.

[B]

Yeah, he's amazing. He has so many.

[A]

He's like the. The kind of the DJ Rashad of Detroit. Is he like the local legend?

[B]

He's a super legend. Super duper legend. I mean, he was way before DJ Rashad.

[A]

So I can't even say in the sense that like footwork or like Chicago.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, I don't know if it was more jit music because that's what we did in Detroit was more vegetting. So I don't know if assault was just more about hoes. Step up your clothes, hoes get naked.

[A]

And it would just be like not even a full sentence over and over.

[B]

And then I just remember just being like, you know, you in the eighth grade, you just literally just humping a on the ground. You just doggy styling, just all clothes at the school homecoming look, yours is in that mother. You wonder how teenage pregnancy was running rampant around that motherfucker.

[A]

Remember how angry the boners would get? Those are the raging.

[B]

That's what I came for these days.

[A]

I'm like, what are you? You're a. You're a loser.

[B]

I remember especially high school.

[A]

They'd be like shaking. They'd be like, you don't remember? They're like super Saiyan. Yeah.

[B]

You don't remember them terry cloth aniche jogging suits and shit. The Fat farms boners and them was insane.

[A]

Well, terry cloth is good for.

[B]

That's what I. That was my strip club wear.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah. Fat, firm, drunk.

[A]

And so what are Detroit strip clubs like? Are they.

[B]

I haven't been in over 20 years. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Were they more industrial?

[B]

I mean, I would be scared. That's what shit happened at shit. Really? Yeah. That'd be gangster shit too. I'm too. I'm a bitch ass nigga.

[A]

Did you ever. This is a stupid question and I'm embarrassed, but did you ever have that. The eight Mile style sex ever? And what's that when he's like in the factory with Brittany Murphy?

[B]

Because it was a. I got my dick sucked in a Burger King freezer.

[A]

That's pretty much the same thing.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah, I guess. You're right. It was the same. I was working at Burger King.

[A]

It's probably romantic. Yeah.

[B]

Bot of onion rings and shit.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

And it was like my first time really getting a blowjob. And I couldn't really respect it because it was in a cold ass freezer. So I didn't really know the powers.

[A]

Of it your own self.

[B]

I mean, I'm just saying I wish it was in a more comfortable set. And then I really would have, you know, been like, damn. So I didn't really. I don't really count it. Cause I didn't know how good it really could get.

[A]

Well, my first handy was in the back of a girl's parents car. And it took an hour and a half.

[B]

That was great.

[A]

It was the most painful experience of my entire life. She was like starting a. Like a lawn mower. He was like pulling over and I was like, stop.

[B]

And I was like, I just wish I wasn't a horny kid like that. I wish. I just.

[A]

But then I was like, I have to like come, otherwise I can't call it a hand job.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

So then I was like.

[B]

So you were committed to the bit?

[A]

Yeah. And then I. I busted. I busted my face.

[B]

Oh yeah.

[A]

My first hand job. I busted my own damn face. I mean after an hour and a half of just.

[B]

Yeah, definitely, definitely. I'm sure that would happen.

[A]

Humiliating. I know her full name and I. I want to say it. I. But you know where you are in your parents infinity.

[B]

That's crazy.

[A]

It's so funny. The only part, like not having money sucks.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

But. But getting girl, like the, the girl part is kind of like the one thing that was kind of a little bit fun.

[B]

What do you mean?

[A]

It was like a video game. Well, it's just like I. I had a. I remember I had no money and so I said, well, you know, all guys take you out to like a, to like a restaurant or a bar. And I didn't have the money for it. So I was like, why don't I cook for you? And I had this like spaghetti bolognese that I priced down to like $7.30.

[B]

See, this is different cultures going on right now.

[A]

So then I make her this heavy meat sauce spaghetti. But I would buy ground turkey, which was cheaper than ground beef. And then I realized years later, I know, I realized that it's got like that fucking. It's not. They didn't go to sleep or anything, but it's got tryptophan. And I was like, I was making like in Retrospect, it was like. It wasn't a. No, I'm. Come on. It's not. I know they. Nothing like that happened, but it was like, you shouldn't make give a girl a sleepy meal.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, it's just not the right thing to do.

[B]

So that's what I was.

[A]

Affordable. It was an affordable sleepy. But I was like, it's. In retrospect, I'm like, turkey does. Is asleep. It's not Cosby. I'm not Cosby. But.

[B]

Yeah. See?

[A]

Thank you for your support.

[B]

I don't know. When I was broke, I was moving mountains. I know.

[A]

So I should have gone that. I should have gone that route.

[B]

Yeah. Put the dick on the track.

[A]

Do you feel like you've conquered a beast?

[B]

No. Never felt like that. It never felt like that. It just felt like, because, you know, you're doing something you really don't want to do. And I feel like anytime you're doing something like that, you're not gonna feel.

[A]

But didn't you think that you were being like, you're giving them enough, like, the plea. You're being a nice guy to them.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

To the. To the mountains.

[B]

Like charity.

[A]

Yeah. And they were like, thank you.

[B]

I don't know. Cause they be like, he ain't pulled back up.

[A]

Wait, they insulted you afterwards?

[B]

I mean, they want you to come back.

[A]

Oh, they want you to come back?

[B]

Yeah. I don't know if I can do it.

[A]

I don't know if I could do it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then you hit rock bottom. And then you're like.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Then you're like, bro, that's the worst. Walk on the way to the.

[B]

Oh, the walk around.

[A]

No, the round two.

[B]

I caught the bus over there to that at the bus stop. Cold as hell. Leaving like, what the I got going on? Oh, in the Detroit window. Yeah. You just looking out the window on the bus like, man, what have I done with my life? Just staring down grand river like, this.

[A]

Is the misogyny episode. I love it. I'm having such a good time. And don't get me started on their stories.

[B]

Can they go, I'm not like that no more. I'm definitely a changed man. I meditate 30 minutes a day now.

[A]

Me too. I used to be like that, too.

[B]

So, you know, that was my 20s, man. I feel like once I got of age to. My frontal lobe was developed.

[A]

Yeah. I didn't make those choices. I feel like mine is still developing.

[B]

I didn't make those choices. Cause I could think about shit I used to do. Man, I'd be like, I can't believe. I'm definitely. No, I can't believe I even thought about doing like that.

[A]

No, but you live, you learn, bro.

[B]

Yeah, definitely. Yeah, definitely. I'm so happy now.

[A]

When you look at Patrick, can you tell, like, do you have, like, a sense of, like, how many times he said the word when it was in a song?

[B]

You know? I look like. He paused.

[A]

What?

[B]

He look like. He paused.

[A]

He paused.

[B]

He's gay. What? No. He'll pause on that part, then continue on.

[A]

He looks like a pauser.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What about Zach over here? How many times is you. Do you have, like, a sense of how many times?

[B]

Roughly 56.

[A]

Zach, he's Jewish.

[B]

Roughly a 56. But just while he's. Is it like in the shower or something?

[A]

In the shower, and then he still be like, oh, shit, it's so funny. It's like masturbating, right? It is like locking.

[B]

Why are y' all so obsessed with saying that word in the song?

[A]

Because it looks so cool.

[B]

But I have found myself. I've never done it. I do say nigga a lot, but it's almost like a. It's like a sis in the basket. It's like a pass. No, I'm talking about when words like. Cause you can fit another word there. But it just rolls so great into another word. It's just like, in rhyme form.

[A]

When a black guy calls me that, it feels like flying.

[B]

Because sometimes I've been incredible. I be like, hold up, man. It ain't enough niggas in here. Let me throw some niggas in this bitch.

[A]

I agree.

[B]

There aren't enough on my third draft. On my third draft, I drop some more niggas in there. But this new album I've actually made, I don't really even cuss that much. It's very. It wasn't done on purpose, though. But then all this stuff like, damn, I probably cuss.

[A]

You think cussing is hack?

[B]

No, definitely not. It just came out that way.

[A]

No, it's easier, I think.

[B]

Cuss. I think you know what it is. Rhyming cuss words is heck.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So if you bitch it, anytime you do that.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Duck, you could ride with fuck.

[B]

But if you said twice, you write you have.

[A]

You ever rhyme fuck with fuck?

[B]

Nah. But I rhyme. I do rhyme twice.

[A]

Rhyme twice is fun. If it's an emphasis on.

[B]

Cameron is like, the best ever.

[A]

He's the best at it.

[B]

He created that kind of, you know.

[A]

I love the.

[B]

Watch trying.

[A]

It's great. Dude, I'm trying. You should move to New York and chill.

[B]

Fuck no. It's too cold. And I would get fat.

[A]

Why would you get fat?

[B]

It's just because it's. You can get whatever you want at any time of day. Like, I'm not trying to eat chopped cheeses at 4am but you want to.

[A]

Be around those people.

[B]

I mean, where I'm at, Austin, where I'm at, it's more of a communal situation. They don't even like me ordering Uber eats in my neighborhood. They don't even want like outside motherfuckers hanging out over there.

[A]

Oh, you're like a hippie commune situation.

[B]

It's like hill country.

[A]

Hill country? Yeah. Hill people.

[B]

I guess. Yeah, it's real communal. It's really. I really like it. I go to the market. They want you to. It's all like only local shops, really. So.

[A]

Yeah, you wave at your neighbor.

[B]

Hey, I mean, you got to.

[A]

Jeff.

[B]

Everybody just drive golf carts.

[A]

Do you do a nod?

[B]

No, we kick it. They pull up, them motherfuckers talk because they like. I say, they want to know who you are. You living over here. Hold up. They in your business?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. You know, so it's fun.

[A]

Who's your favorite one in the neighborhood?

[B]

In my neighborhood? Oh, I got a. It's a lady up the street from Michigan.

[A]

Oh, she's family.

[B]

Yeah. So, you know, she always invite me over to watch the Lions game and. But I like to smoke and so.

[A]

She doesn't like you smoking in there?

[B]

I wouldn't say that. I just don't even want to bring it up.

[A]

Really? Yeah, she's like a mom.

[B]

Like, I can't just sit there and watch football without, you know, with a blunt, you know.

[A]

Why don't you just ask her? Why don't you? Why don't you? Why don't you ask her if she plays it?

[B]

But I'm not the biggest football fan. I like watching football. If I'm betting on it, I'm more of a basketball. And they're not basketball people.

[A]

Maybe you should get all these motherfuckers just.

[B]

But they do though. Like in the summer they were watching like the Stanley cup finals and on like a big ass projector just.

[A]

Oh, in the neighborhood?

[B]

Yeah, just outside. Everybody just hanging out, watching.

[A]

Do they know you're a famous rapper?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. And they think that's cool. I mean, that should make you the most popular guy.

[B]

I. I'm definitely like the youngest.

[A]

It's like, so you're living with like.

[B]

Like 60% over 60 years old.

[A]

You're living with 60 year old hill people?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And you're like Jeff. Yep.

[B]

They real passive aggressive too.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah. When you be.

[A]

You're the only black guy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Really? I think so.

[A]

You got green ass hair.

[B]

Yeah, they like it.

[A]

Really? They're like, look at this hippie over here.

[B]

Yeah, they always be like, but you know, Austin is kind of like that. It's keep Austin weird type shit. So I fit in mother shit. Well, like I say, I'm more. I'm literally like maybe an hour from downtown Austin.

[A]

Oh, so you're in the sticks.

[B]

Yeah, like I said, hill country.

[A]

You got a gun?

[B]

Hell yeah.

[A]

What kind of gun do you have?

[B]

I got a staccato.

[A]

What does that sound? It sounds like music to me.

[B]

I mean, staccato, it's very expensive. It's really used for like Olympic shooters and shit like that. It's like one of those type of professional shooting guns. That's why I don't hear rappers rap about it because they cost too much. You never heard nobody say, I've got the staccato.

[A]

But they like talking about expensive things.

[B]

They talk about the cheapest guns, though. They do the worst guns. That's a plex. Yeah.

[A]

Who's the biggest dickhead in rap that you've ever met?

[B]

What's the definition of dickhead?

[A]

I don't know. Just being a dickhead.

[B]

Like being mean?

[A]

Yeah, being mean.

[B]

Probably me.

[A]

Really? Are you mean other rappers?

[B]

It was a time.

[A]

You're like Patrice o'.

[B]

Neal. Yeah, definitely.

[A]

You're like. You're a fucking bitch.

[B]

I definitely have. I really look up to Patricia o', Neill, though.

[A]

How did you do that? Like, how did you. Like, how did that. Like, how did you act mean to them? Like, how did you establish dominance like that?

[B]

Just get drunk as and say the first thing to come to your head.

[A]

You'd be like, you suck at rap.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. You're a. Yeah. Who? Is there someone you.

[B]

I wouldn't want to. I wouldn't want to.

[A]

Is there something. Have you made amends?

[B]

I mean, I made amends. Whatever. You know, once you get sober, you gotta. You gotta do that thing.

[A]

You gotta like hit up Drake and be like, I think you're a good guy, actually. Yeah.

[B]

I'm not Drake. I never met Drake or anything.

[A]

You've never met him. We gotta chill with him.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's so incredible. He got to be famous.

[B]

How was that? Oh, because he gives all you. All you Jewish guys hope our dream.

[A]

Hope it's our number one dream. It was so meaningful to me.

[B]

What about Jack Harlow?

[A]

He's Jewish.

[B]

I mean, I don't know.

[A]

I don't know how to look at him, knowing everyone who's Jewish now. He's not Jewish. He's not on my list.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Shin.

[B]

Liz, who are some Jewish rappers?

[A]

Bob Dylan, technically.

[B]

Yeah. I could say Bob Dylan. Bob Dylan had some bars.

[A]

Yeah. Sub Saranian. I don't know. We shouldn't. We shouldn't talk about Jewish anymore. Okay. I don't want to talk about it anymore. I'm sick of it. I wish I could quit. I looked up foreskin reattachment. You know that.

[B]

Why would you want to do that?

[A]

Because BB Was being such an ass. You can do that though, apparently. But you don't regain it.

[B]

Ain't gonna that gonna look, man.

[A]

Sensitivity. It'd be cool if I got a different color.

[B]

Oh, I guess you could. I guess you could imagine if I.

[A]

Had a different color at the end. Helmet.

[B]

You can. You can get the style. A different style.

[A]

Different style.

[B]

You can get a style like pick your.

[A]

Switch your up.

[B]

Yeah. Like go hoodie. A turtleneck.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

You know, mine would be an intellectual.

[A]

He'd be like a beep. Nick.

[B]

You can get like. You know what I'm saying? You want to leave extra skin right here, you know?

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Get a little.

[B]

I'm all down for dick surgery, man. Yeah, I'm all down with it.

[A]

I'm too scared, like about.

[B]

I don't give a. If I get to like 60 like it. Just give me the long dong silver.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

And just stay hard all the time.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

I don't gotta have no feeling in it.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

That's the only reason. It's the only reason why I work out, really, is just to be able to fuck with them in my 60s.

[A]

Yeah, it's true. Because I did realize, like, I would always think that like, if you can't have sex anymore.

[B]

That's why you see old people and they be angry all the time at me.

[A]

They got the. You could just take a thing now.

[B]

But not. I mean. Yeah, but it's all about your physical prowess.

[A]

Yeah, but my grandma's doing unspeakable.

[B]

You know, like I told you, he'll. These hill country, these motherfuckers. Oh, and in shape.

[A]

So you think that they're having key parties.

[B]

They definitely getting freaky. Yeah.

[A]

Really? And they're judging your ass for being a rapper.

[B]

No, don't judge me. They like that shit. They like, because they like, man, he cool.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, and then they know, like, they know I had got sober and all that kind of shit, so.

[A]

So they're impressed.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, they just. They know I'm not partying all no wild shit.

[A]

Yeah, it's cool, Jeff.

[B]

I mean, because, you know, it's a rapper moved to your neighborhood, you think you're gonna be having parties and shit or something? I don't know.

[A]

Yeah, perhaps baby oil. I mean, were you ever invited?

[B]

I was never that cool.

[A]

You were cool to. I agree.

[B]

I don't think I was cool enough for the free.

[A]

I would have been like, I did it. You know, I'm freak off level now.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm white part.

[B]

I mean, you gotta. Sometimes you gotta do for the store.

[A]

Yeah, of course. Yeah. Did you know that stuff was happening?

[B]

Fuck no. But I was definitely entertained by the trial.

[A]

Yeah, it was pretty good.

[B]

Yeah. I was tapped in.

[A]

What was your favorite little moment?

[B]

Just, I mean, to be honest, like, the way it all started out and how much was said and what the allegation like, you know, like you thought it was way more like crazier than.

[A]

Did you say.

[B]

Just to find out he was just hiding behind curtains in a hijab, jacking off, squirting baby oil at mother. You know what I'm saying? We thought it was like huge orgies with all famous people and politicians, but no, this was just jerking off at hijab, squirting oil on. It's basically like, yeah, now you're doing fine. I would. That's the worst jail time.

[A]

If you film that, that's Jackass 4, you know, now you gotta. You go to jail for it.

[B]

But I mean, he was beating on.

[A]

And he was a. Yeah, that was not good.

[B]

So. No. Yeah, but. But what they said, jerking off, baby. What the rumors was that was happening versus what was presented in the courtroom is two different worlds.

[A]

Well, I. I heard that he was having sex with the dad from.

[B]

Yeah, like all these rumors.

[A]

The dad from Urkel show. Yeah.

[B]

And then Carl Winslow, TD Jakes and all that, like. And. But it was none of that. It was none of that. When you heard he just hiring.

[A]

So he did have sex with Carl Winslow.

[B]

I don't know. I don't know. But I'm saying that wasn't in the trial. None of that was.

[A]

Go home, Steve. Imagine walking out of them and he goes, go home, Steve. That's like the Urkel Carl Winslow.

[B]

Imagine Carl Winslow don't. Ain't never met Diddy in his mother Life. He just chilling at the crib. And all of a sudden he just look up, everybody talking about he Diddy fucked him. He like, what the is going on right here, man? You get what I'm saying? N believe it and believe this. Like, you still. That happened years ago. People that rumor been out. What? I'm just saying, like, I feel bad for him. You gotta have some sympathy for the guy. Like. Like he like some crazy A list actor. Like, he working all the time. Who knows if he trying to get new jobs and shit now. Like, he like, man, I've been doing auditions. They thinking I did he at the Freak Offs. Like, who came up with that?

[A]

It's like it's such a random guy and I.

[B]

That's what I'm saying. That's why I feel bad for him. Cause I don't believe that shit.

[A]

Of course he. Carl Winslow.

[B]

I don't believe that shit, man. I don't believe that shit. No, man.

[A]

It's so easy to believe anything you're told these days. Yeah.

[B]

Especially after hearing the trial. Diddy ain't fucking. I'm just saying, I feel. Just imagine Cars, Winslow just chilling at the crib. And you just on Twitter, like, ugh, his mentions just started going crazy. He getting memes and he like, oh, it's not true. Like that kind of make jump off bridges and shit, man.

[A]

It's so not true.

[B]

Like, I feel bad. Like, Thug, that's why I'm off social media, dawg. That's why I'm done with that shit, man. I don't want to know. And then just imagine if you is a motherfucker that's off social media. You ain't watching. If you don't even know these allegations is out here, then you. You just hanging out at your post like niggas looking at you crazy. Like, everybody giving me the one eye. Like, what's going on?

[A]

Doesn't even know that.

[B]

People think. Did somebody just say. Somebody get bold and say some weird shit to you, and you're like, what the fuck is going on?

[A]

People are like snickering looking at you. Yeah, come on, dude. That's amazing.

[B]

I think that says, that's why I hate the Internet.

[A]

Yeah, I hate it too.

[B]

And no one does any fact checking to find out ain't nobody checked on their homies. There's a lot. Ain't nobody. See, check in on Carl, see how he doing.

[A]

All right. If he wants to come on the show, I definitely.

[B]

He do need to speak his part.

[A]

He's saying something.

[B]

I think Maybe that's why it's still lingering like this. Because he ain't never really addressed it.

[A]

We need to hear from him.

[B]

Is he still living?

[A]

I hope so.

[B]

Imagine if he did and then N just started saying, you fucked Diddy. That's my legacy now.

[A]

Danny Brown, everyone. This new album's called Stardust.

[B]

Mm. Thank you, brother.

[A]

The best guy you're ever here.