MARK CUBAN Talks Luka Trade, Epstein, Steve Ballmer

Summary

The Adam Friedland Show

Episode: Mark Cuban Talks Luka Trade, Epstein, Steve Ballmer

Date: March 11, 2026

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Episode Overview

This lively, irreverent episode of The Adam Friedland Show features billionaire entrepreneur and former Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban. The conversation weaves through Cuban's backstory, career milestones, NBA ownership, memorable moments in business, the recent controversial Luka Dončić trade, Shark Tank tales, pharmaceutical ventures, and insights into NBA power dynamics. The tone is candid and comedic, with Adam and Mark riffing on fame, fortune, infamous figures, and industry gossip, providing both entertainment and a look behind the scenes of American sports and entrepreneurship.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Mark Cuban’s Origin Story: Satire and Reality

• Adam opens with a satirical retelling of Cuban’s life, parodying Scarface (04:18–08:53):
  • Arriving in Miami, getting involved with "Frank Lopez," and comically intertwining organized crime tropes.
  • Mark jokes along, rolling with the wild narrative:

    “Yeah. You know, Scarface sister, maybe X videos.” (07:03)

2. On Not Being Tied to Jeffrey Epstein

• Adam credits Cuban for not being named in Epstein emails (09:11–10:00):
  • Mark clarifies he was only ever mentioned in passing:

    “Let’s just keep me out of that same conversation.” (09:48, Mark Cuban)

  • Adam mockingly gives Cuban an "award" for this.

3. Origins of the Name "Cuban" and Family Genealogy

• Mark shares his family’s migration and the evolution of their surname from Russia to America (10:10–12:17):
  • “People just started calling them Cuban. And that was it.” (12:06, Mark Cuban)
• Family anecdotes about relatives who took the wrong ship and famous kin like comic Marty Allen (12:24–13:00).

4. Early Hustle: Paying for College with ‘Chain Letters’

• Mark details running a quasi-pyramid chain letter scheme to pay tuition—a story of scrappiness and stretching the rules (18:32–19:44):

  “I literally made four or five hundred dollars, which back then was your tuition. That was my tuition.” (19:33, Mark Cuban)

5. NBA Ownership: Thrills, Frustrations, and Infamy

• Discussion on his entrance into NBA ownership and being the Mavericks’ "loudmouth owner" (27:30–28:53):
  • “I called [Phil Jackson] my piss boy.” (28:38, Mark Cuban)
• Age at Mavericks purchase: 41. Admiration for younger owners like Robert Pera (28:53–29:12).

• Mavericks’ Cinderella run in 2011—euphoria after sweeping Lakers and beating LeBron’s Heat (29:39–31:04):

  “That’s all the stress release, right? Because when you get into the playoffs, it’s stressful as fuck.” (30:36, Mark Cuban)

  • Mark describes public praise post-championship and the unique emotion of sports winning.

6. Blockbuster Trade, Selling the Mavericks, and Recent Frustrations

• Deep dive into the Luka trade controversy and Cuban’s diminished control (45:21–49:24):
  • Mark was surprised and disappointed:

    “I thought he was asking me as opposed to telling me. He’s like, no, it’s done. I’m like, what the—” (46:23)

• On selling the Mavericks after 23 years:

  "It just wasn’t as much fun anymore... all the meetings were about valuations, not improving teams or the game itself." (48:43, Mark Cuban)

• He regrets aspects of the sale, feeling he left money on the table and lost control (49:01–49:24).

7. NBA Trades, Scandals, and League Politics

• Opinions on landmark and regrettable trades; criticism of the current NBA transactional landscape (45:30–46:41).

• Mark and Adam riff on the league’s handling of gambling scandals, refereeing, and whether things would have broken differently under David Stern (61:51–62:28):

  “No matter who you are… things change around you.” (61:54, Mark Cuban)

  • On the Donaghy referee scandal:

    "He did [nip it in the bud]." (62:23, Mark Cuban)

• Commentary on current Commissioner Adam Silver’s leadership versus Stern; both are "very smart" but culture has shifted (62:28–62:33).

8. Business Mindset, Investments, and Shark Tank

• Billionaire psychology: What does a billion dollars actually feel like? (25:05–26:13):

  “It feels really good. I don’t have to stress about the bullshit I used to have to stress.” (25:16–25:23, Mark Cuban)

• The iconic "plane purchase" as a billionaire rite of passage.
• On Shark Tank’s impact:

  "We all got along great… The outtakes would be the number one rated show." (56:55–57:11, Mark Cuban)

• Behind the scenes with Barbara Corcoran:

  “Barbara’s a beast… She’s like, ‘I’m at that point in my life where just bring it hard, baby.’” (57:10–57:39)

9. Healthcare Disruptions and Drug Pricing

• Details on Cost Plus Drugs, pricing transparency, and Trump’s attempt at a rival venture (59:29–59:59):

  “My company’s called costplusdrugs.com… we show you our cost, mark up 15%…” (59:29, Mark Cuban)

  • Adam jokes about the “art of the deal” with Trump Rx.

10. NBA Ownership, Jewish Identity, and Power Structures

• Candid talk—often in a comedic, self-aware tone—about Jewishness, invitations (or lack thereof) to elite groups like the Trilateral Commission, and NBA's odd power gatherings (53:02–53:24).
• Discussion about the Adelson family's influence, casino lobbying, and speculation whether the Mavericks could move to Tel Aviv (50:37–51:01).

11. Gambling, Steve Ballmer, and League Scandal

• Continued riffs on how money moves in the NBA; question the Clipper’s payments to Kawhi Leonard and possible laundering implications (63:44–65:39):

  "If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck…" (64:12, Adam Friedland)

• Mark’s perspective as someone who’s invested in both hits and misses, such as Beatbox Beverages and missed opportunities like Tyrese Maxey and Giannis Antetokounmpo (66:03–66:17).

12. Corporate Backlash and the Current Climate

• Mark addresses shifting attitudes toward corporations, post-COVID populism, and the necessity of compassion in capitalism (70:02–70:44):

  “[If] you don’t show some compassion as a capitalist, it’s going to backfire on you.” (70:16, Mark Cuban)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• Mark on being left out of power-broker circles:

  “Nobody ever invites me to that. The Trilateral Commission. I didn’t get an email.” (03:29–03:31, Mark Cuban)

• On the feeling of becoming a billionaire:

  “I remember the moment… Oh my God. How did this happen? My first inclination was, I wanted to buy a plane.” (25:41–26:07, Mark Cuban)

• On losing control after the Luka trade:

  “He told me about it. I thought he was asking me as opposed to telling me. He’s like, no, it’s done.” (46:23, Mark Cuban)

• On the responsibility of sports ownership:

  “I didn’t own the team. I was just responsible for the bills and the fans owned the team.” (46:48, Mark Cuban)

• On leaving the NBA and business climate shift:

  “It just wasn’t as much fun anymore… all the meetings were about valuations, not the teams or the game.” (48:43, Mark Cuban)

• On corporations post-pandemic:

  “If you don’t show some compassion as a capitalist, it’s going to backfire on you.” (70:16, Mark Cuban)

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Important Segments & Timestamps

• Satirical Scarface-Cuban Life Story: 04:18–08:53
• Epstein/Power-Broker Banter: 09:11–10:00; 53:02–53:24
• Early Hustle and College Tuition: 18:32–19:44
• Becoming a Billionaire & Mavericks Purchase: 25:05–26:13; 27:30–31:04
• 2011 Mavericks Run: 29:39–31:04
• Luka Trade, Sale, and Disappointments: 45:21–49:41; 52:01–52:29
• Shark Tank Anecdotes: 56:45–57:39
• Cost Plus Drugs & Healthcare Disruption: 59:29–59:59
• Referee Scandal, NBA Governance: 61:51–62:39
• NBA Scandal & Ballmer Discussion: 63:44–65:39
• Cultural & Economic Reflections: 70:02–70:44

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Final Thoughts

The episode delivers a blend of comedy, industry gossip, and candid business reflection through the distinctive voices of Adam Friedland and Mark Cuban. Mark is both self-deprecating and insightful, willing to discuss major wins, public blunders, and the tricky realities of wealth, fame, and responsibility. The laughter and self-mockery are balanced by honest commentary on corporate power, societal change, and the emotional weight of letting go.

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Listen if you want:

• To hear Mark Cuban as you’ve never heard him before
• NBA stories from the inside, including the Luka trade debacle
• Hot takes on business, politics, and billionaire psychology
• Candid, comedic, and unexpected moments from both host and guest

Transcript

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I don't even. I'm rich, I'm Jewish.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Nobody ever invites me to that. Right.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The Trilateral Commission. I didn't get an email.

[A]

Did you feel like a loser? A little bit like not finding your name more in the.

[B]

No, Jeff. No, that. No. But I'm just talking about the Trilateral Commission. Right?

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The protocols, the elders.

[B]

Yes.

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Yeah.

[B]

Like the real.

[A]

Did you at least get an invite to one of the sterling freak offs?

[B]

No.

[A]

Welcome back to the Adam Friedland show, guys. This is Adam Friedland. Thanks for joining us. I'm going on the road. I'll be in Tampa, Florida, Los Angeles, California. That's for the Netflix is a joke festival. San Francisco, California and Portland, Oregon. More dates will be announced throughout the year. You can get tickets at AdamFreedland show and there's also a link in the description of this video. My guest this week is American businessman and billionaire Mark Cuban. How do I put this? The story of Cuban is, I guess, the story of the American dream, as you'll find out. First you got the money and then he got the power and then he got the pussy. He arrived in Miami, Florida in 1980 as a refugee with his best friend Manolo Ribera after a drug deal gone wrong where he witnessed a man being dismembered via chainsaw. He began working for Jewish businessman Frank Lopez and developed an attraction to his wife Elvira, who's from Baltimore. And she also just seems kind of like a frigid bitch. Do you read when they, they met at a club and she was dancing and he's like, where'd you from? Mark Cuban said, where'd you from? And she's like, BAAL Tamahara Yeah. Anyway, Mark had a strained relationship with his family because of his ties to organized crime. He famously, of course, tried to offer his mother a thousand dollars that he claimed to earn as a political organizer, which she rejected outright. But then his sister Gina accepted the money. And then after that, he told Manolo to stay away from his sister. Okay. Famous. We all know that.

[B]

Okay.

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Shortly thereafter, he was sent to Bolivia. On the side, he negotiated a drug deal behind Frank. What's his name? Frank Lopez. Yeah. Yeah. Behind Frank Lopez's back, he negotiated a drug deal with Alejandro Sousa, who's kind of the classiest guy in the whole. In the whole story. Story, yeah. And then Frank. In the history. In the whole history. And then Frank gets mad about it. He's kind of going around Frank's back. And then what transpires afterwards is kind of, of course, boring. And the story kind of drags. But, of course, we all know the ending, which is that at his mother's behest, Mark Cuban, high on cocaine, tracks down his sister, and he finds her with who none other than Manolo, who. He said, stay away from my sister. And then Cuban shoes Manolo dead, and. And then learns that Gina, who his sister, just got married to him. And then he takes Gina to his estate and begins a cocaine binge in his office, of course. And then he accuses. Then Gina turns to him and accuses him of wanting her for himself. She get. Yeah, she gets naked. She's kind of hot, too. Look up.

[B]

You can.

[A]

Mark, you look at it. Look it up.

[B]

Look it up.

[A]

Actually, real quick, we'll just go. We'll say, pause for Caleb to see. Just check it out. Not Mark. You know, Scarface sister, maybe X videos.

[B]

Yeah.

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There. So she. That's the sister. Kind of blow that. Get that bigger for me. Enhanced. Sorry, I'm dragging. We just saw a picture of my. Anyway, so she shoots. She said. She accuses Mark Cuban of wanting her for himself, and then she shoots and wounds him. And then, subsequently, she's killed by one of Sosa's men, who Mark Cuban kills in return. And then, of course, Sosa's men invade the grounds and kill Mark Cuban's guards, including Chi Chi, who's the one who, along with Manny, saved him from the chainsaw thing on Miami Beach. And then Mark takes a rifle and a grenade launcher to the invaders and he kills a bunch of them. But then he gets shot in the back, and. And he succumbs to his wounds. And, of course, Mark Cuban falls over the railing from the upstairs, which is Open to the kind of an upstairs balcony situation. Do you have a one story or two story house growing up? Two story. Probably. Probably one story over there. But why two? But you know how like we had the balcony because divorced parents got divorced. He falls. So Mark Cuban then succumbs to his injuries after being shot in the back. He's killed. And then his body falls from the balcony into the pool, which is. He has an indoor pool. And at the. He has his globe. And at the base of the globe, the motto, the world is yours reads. You can. It's red is red. Anyway, so say hello to my little friend. So say hello to my little friend.

[B]

Mario. Mark. Keep it.

[A]

Ladies and gentlemen, legendary American entrepreneur Mark Cuban, everyone. I'm excited about this. I'm excited about this. Appreciate it. You guys sounded big for once.

[B]

Once.

[A]

For once. You know, first I want to start. I want to start. Give you a little credit for something, right? One of the news stories I think that is going to be, you know, if I'm reading the tea leaves going to be huge. Is this goddamn Jeffrey Epstein story. So we search. I mean, you're clean, my friend.

[B]

No, I was in there one time.

[A]

But you weren't in there. You were mentioned.

[B]

I was mentioned by somebody. I think Steve Bannon sent an article to Epstein saying that I might run for President.

[A]

Well, all I'm saying is this. Everyone's mad at all these folks that are in the Epstein emails, but they're not. You don't. Do you feel like you get enough credit for not being in the Epstein emails?

[B]

Let's just keep me out of that same conversation.

[A]

Well, actually, we got you, we got you an award. I had this. It said, is Mark Cuban not in the Epstein. Give it to him.

[B]

Thank you. I want to thank my family and

[A]

I have a bone to pick with you.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Okay. Last name we got to talk about first. Sure. Okay. Cuban.

[B]

Yeah. Where you come from, you're.

[A]

But you're Jewish.

[B]

Yeah, I'm Jewish. Yeah.

[A]

It's not fair.

[B]

Why?

[A]

That you get your last name gets to be that.

[B]

It's. It's a imagine growing up. What did. I grew up with the last name like Cuban. Like, what do you think my nickname was when I was a little kid?

[A]

Heshi Teshewitz?

[B]

Yeah. Yeah, that how. Right.

[A]

Yes, exactly.

[B]

Everybody called me Castro, like up until I was like 17 years old.

[A]

That's cool. You're like, you have a cigar in your mouth.

[B]

You're like, yeah, you have a.

[A]

You're a gorilla, right? Invented the Euro Step apparently, yes. Do you know about that? Castro invented the Euro.

[B]

I did not know that.

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It's a popular Internet. Internet lore. Apparently he could hoop.

[B]

I'd seen something about that. Yeah. I knew he'd play baseball.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. For the Havana Sugar Kings or something.

[B]

But.

[A]

But also. Yeah, I mean, it's just not fair like, that. I have to just sound. My name sounds like this. And you. My name was Adam Dominican.

[B]

Right, Right. No, when I go to. When I. Before anybody knew who I was, when I would go to Miami, it was always, are you. Are you? Yeah, are you.

[A]

You're like. It's a little on the nose. What's your real last name?

[B]

That. So where it came from. So, like, I'm into genealogy, so I'll give you. So my great, great, great. However many generations back were in czarist Russia, right?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And back then your name was like Igor Igorovich or something like that. Right. But they wanted to know who the Jews were, and so they told them they had to have a last name. They created last names for them, and the last names were based off of what town you lived in. And so my. However many generations back lived in this town called Kadimi. Right. And then went from Kademi to Khabiski. And then when it got more Anglicized, it went to Chubinski. And then when my grandparents came over on the boat, they just started. Some people started calling them Cuban. They don't know exactly when or how, but people just started calling them Cuban.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And that was it. That's how it got to that. And literally on, you know, my name is Cuban, but on my dad's birth certificate, it's spelled C U, B, I, N. Really? Yeah. My grandparents didn't speak much of English and all that shit.

[A]

Well, to me it's Chubinsky. You're on notice. There you go. Yeah, yeah. I'm actually Landau, apparently.

[B]

Landau?

[A]

Yeah, yeah, as in Martin. I think it's literally the same family. I think it was like the Family Lord is 10 brothers and sisters.

[B]

Nine.

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Nine of them went to Ellis island, and my dipshit relative went to Cape Town, South Africa. You got on the wrong boat.

[B]

Whoops. You ever heard of Marty Allen, the old, old, old school comedian? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's my great uncle.

[A]

Really?

[B]

He was like the famous person. You know how every family in the family lord coming up from the old country. Right.

[A]

But.

[B]

But your great uncle Martin, Marty Allen, you know, he's big time with his hair.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. With the curly hair.

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You.

[A]

So he's got show business. In his blood, My blood.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

All right. I. I want to just cruise through, like where you come from. You grew up in Pitt?

[B]

Pittsburgh.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You went to college, you had a bar.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

I got some pictures of this. Goddamn this, you, this. It was chaos over there.

[B]

Oh, man.

[A]

It does with. Some of the faces are blacked out. It does kind of look like it's for the mced out.

[B]

Yeah, that was a different reason. Yeah.

[A]

Is this you kiss your. Your smooching on the phone?

[B]

Oh, that was me. That was those. That was from.

[A]

This is from the Department of Justice, guys.

[B]

No, it's not from the Department of Justice.

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Yes, it is.

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It was worse.

[A]

Oh my God, look at. You guys are doing that elephant walk thing with the.

[B]

Yeah, because what that was, was.

[A]

It's pretty cool. So that's brotherhood.

[B]

Rugby teammates. And so I played rugby and back when Google. What was the original Google social media thing, they came out with whatever it was like in 2008 or whatever.

[A]

Oh, yes, Google a reader read. No, no, no, I don't remember.

[B]

But anyways, whatever. So you know, this is. Back then, I was like, okay, I'll put my shit up there, thinking it was private. And then all of a sudden I got these emails from a reporter. Oh my God. Whatever the site was, you got it. Because they're deadspin, right?

[A]

Dead spin.

[B]

Dead spin. And they're like, we got all these pictures of you, like, you know, naked pictures and fucked up things and doing the elephant walk.

[A]

Yeah, this one he's licking.

[B]

Yeah, right?

[A]

This is from Little St. James Island.

[B]

No, that's from Miami. Right? She was 47. Yeah, she was 47. But in any event. In any event. So I had all these crazy rugby pictures that I posted and one of the guys, the reason so much of it is blacked out is one of the guys, Bob Consdine. He was the one that always liked to get naked. You know, there's always a couple rugby players that, you know, parties and so we had to black him out, but great guy. And so he went to Africa to.

[A]

Oh, no vaccines.

[B]

To deal with malaria. Right. To save people, really.

[A]

And build.

[B]

Build nets and everything for people. And then he died of malaria. And so this was like a month before all this shit came out. And I'm like, look, you got me, right? There's nothing I can do. You're gonna post every. Do me a favor, let me annotate him, right? You don't want to just fuck with this guy and show his naked pictures of him. After he just died. Being a great citizen. Right. Doing the right thing.

[A]

Yeah. If he had a nice little. Maybe we can remember.

[B]

So there's a bar in Indianapolis. There's a bar in Indianapolis. And his nickname was Teeny Constantini. You're a good man. He's literally a good man.

[A]

Is that why he started Micro Solutions? Is that why he started.

[B]

That's the best line ever. The best line ever. Wait, did you ever.

[A]

Did you ever find the solution or.

[B]

No, I did find the solution.

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Cuz I heard that you can increase the girth, but the length.

[B]

Oh my God, I can't remember the name. It was a rugby bar in Indianapolis and literally they have. They have a picture blowing up. Picture of Teeny Bob and just standing there naked, you know, to honor him. Because that's how he was for all these rugby players. And there's a picture of him standing naked, holding up a sign. And he has. Looking like a flasher at an airport. Literally was at an airport. The guy was just a stud. He was amazing. And so that's how they honored him.

[A]

Who's got the smallest in the NBA? I'm just kidding.

[B]

I don't know. Right?

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Has a guy ever made it to league because it's so hard to make it to the league?

[B]

Yeah, of course, right.

[A]

It's just the chances of making it to the league and just like if you have to imagine a guy's got. He needs a micro solution, let's just say. Right? And he's worked his ass off his whole life. He goes to D1, he goes to D1 College. He's just been in showers with just legends his whole life and he makes it to the league. If anything like I'm like, there should be like a.

[B]

That I'll just tell you my one. I'll tell you the one story. I'm not going to name the player.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Right. So right when I. Popeye Jones. Yeah. But right when I got to the NBA, I would go out, hang out with some of the guys and you know, we were hanging out and one of his buddies goes. Whoever he touches. Female wise.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Let me just tell you, whoever comes in behind him is going to be a hot dog in a hallway. I'm like, point taken. Moving on.

[A]

Wait, so do you ever. Do you think athletes might get so famous that they might have like affairs on their wives and girlfriends? Is that ever a concern?

[B]

You know, I stay out of their personal lives.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. What if you, what if you saw them having an affair and then their Lovely wife called you and said, you know, was. What. What happened? What do you do?

[B]

I just say, I wasn't there. You know. Classic.

[A]

Classic.

[B]

Yeah. I'm not gonna. Don't get him.

[A]

What happens on Lil St. James.

[B]

Oh, my goodness.

[A]

So. So you. I. I like. I like this little detail. Detail. I found. You went to University of Indiana for our.

[B]

Indiana University.

[A]

Congrats.

[B]

Thank you.

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Yeah, Big one.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Everyone on the team is 29 years old.

[B]

It doesn't matter.

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Doesn't matter.

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The score is the score.

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The score is the score is the score. You chose it because it was the cheapest business school.

[B]

Yeah. The top 10.

[A]

Yeah, I love that.

[B]

Yeah, I love that.

[A]

And you paid your way through college. You had some. Like, you. You were a hustler.

[B]

Yeah, totally. I had to pay for my own school.

[A]

What is this chain letters? Oh, it's great.

[B]

That's how I paid for my junior year of college.

[A]

What are you, Bernie Madoff?

[B]

So what it was, was one of these things where there was a list. You got a letter, right? And there was a list of 10 people on the letter. And when you start at the bottom and when you work your way at the top, people are sending you money. So, like, you. I go, I give the letter to you.

[A]

And.

[B]

And you send back. Then it was. You gave me $50 because I sold it to you. And then you sent $50 to the person at the top of the list. And then that way, then you work your way up the list. Then the person you sent the money to, you take their name off the list, right? And you work your way up, and it's your job to go out and get more people to participate.

[A]

That's smart.

[B]

So I made sure I sold all the names up and literally sold it to as many people as possible. Made sure none of the people I sold it to lost any money. They all at least broke even. And then I got up to the top.

[A]

Suckers at the bottom.

[B]

Suckers at the bottom, Right? People got greedy, didn't take care of their own. And, you know, I literally made four or five hundred dollars, which back then was your tuition. That was my tuition, yeah.

[A]

$500.

[B]

Crazy, right? Yeah, crazy.

[A]

Jesus Christ. We. Our generation is screwed. You moved to Dallas, like, how. How big do you like your women?

[B]

Like hair or. No, no, Dallas women are.

[A]

It's not Houston.

[B]

No, it's not.

[A]

It's not San Antonio.

[B]

Definitely not San Antonio.

[A]

Chuck talks about that.

[B]

Yeah, Chuck talks about it all the time. Right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But, yeah, no, Dallas women are hot. Yeah, they're hot. Yeah, for sure.

[A]

It used to go down to Galva.

[B]

Galveston. Not often, but a couple times.

[A]

Yeah. And they had the oil in the.

[B]

In the water. That part.

[A]

I never see that Chuck rant. I got.

[B]

No, no, I didn't see that.

[A]

They go to Cancun. They go to Galveston. They got.

[B]

They got oily water. Chuck is the best. Have you ever met Chuck? No.

[A]

I read his autobiography.

[B]

No, you should have him on.

[A]

Please get him on right now.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Your questions are out the window.

[B]

He's the best guy ever.

[A]

He's my hero. He is the funniest comedian in America by far. Yeah. By far the funniest comedy show. In fact, the best show is just inside. Yeah. It frustrates me when I see players now. They're all podcasters, because I'm like. I had. I have to, like. I lied my way into, like, having a meeting with Rich Paul because I'm like, nice. I was changing agencies. The UTA was like. I was like, next time I'm in Los Angeles, I demand a meeting with Rich Paul. And they took it seriously. I guess they didn't realize I was joking. So I, like, went into this man's office, and I guess now that he's starting a podcast, there was like, yeah,

[B]

he's doing a podcast.

[A]

But I was just like, can you stop? Like, you were. You. If I was the biggest agent in sports, like. Like, I. I'm doing this because I'm not in the NBA. Like, you know I have to do this, right? Yeah. And then I like. I'm like, you just don't. You don't want no part of this life. You know, this is. I put. Yeah.

[B]

Oh, there's no part of the podcast.

[A]

Why are you podcasting?

[B]

Yeah. You don't understand. Right?

[A]

Just. Why are you doing this? I have to do this. I have no choice. Because. Because I'm, like, 5, 10, and, like, a buck. A buck 20 wet or something. No, but, like. But then, like, yeah, the last 15 minutes, I. I kind of, like. I think we had a productive conversation. Then he just started taking calls, and he was, like, talking to players. He's like, yeah, he's showing off.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Couple teams interested. I'm like, what should I be?

[B]

He's really talking to his mom is what he's. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

He's like, it's Dejan Taylor. But. But, yeah, at a certain point, I was, like, just loitering in a man's office, and I kept just. He kept taking calls, and I kept just being Like, I want to say goodbye, nevermind. And then, and then he like hangs up on a call and he goes, you see, college basketball sucks. And I was like, yeah, it does. And he goes, I'm like, it's been nice being here. I feel like I've been waiting for 20 minutes. And he's like, yeah, I was.

[B]

He made me wait too, so it's okay.

[A]

Yeah. What the hell is that? He was doing the golf. Do you do golf club?

[B]

No, I hate golf.

[A]

He did golf club in the office thing, like for movies where like he's like having a conversation with me. He's like, so what's your process?

[B]

No, he did not. Bullshit.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. How cool is that? That's cool, but that's like business style. That's like quarter. So what's your process? What? What, what drives you?

[B]

Right. I swing. Right.

[A]

Okay, first question is like you suddenly became a billionaire in one moment in your life.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What is that? What the fuck is that?

[B]

What the fuck is that? So the company, we started it as Audio Net and we were the very first streaming company.

[A]

Did you call the top. Yeah, doc. You did?

[B]

Yeah, yeah, we'll get to that. Right. And so started Audionet was first streaming company and just growing like a weed. And we were just audio added video, renamed ourselves. Broadcast.com went public, biggest IPO, first day IPO jump in the history of the stock market at the time. And then a year and a half later we sold to Yahoo for $5.7 billion in stock. In stock though. Right, right. So then I was like, look, I don't need to be greedy, right. I got this B next to my name and I'm happy with that. And so I did this thing called a caller where it was a public company, Yahoo. And I sold calls and bought puts to protect my downside and give up some of the upside, protect my downside collar. Not three months later, everything craters. And they called it one of the top 10 trades in Wall street history.

[A]

Were you blowing the whistle on the dot com bubble? Like, were you saying, like, listen, this is. Everything's just.

[B]

No, no, the companies were cool, right? It was just the valuations in the stock market. Like, literally I would come to New York and be in a cab and people would be talking about, oh, you Broadcast.com, right? Oh, I buy broadcast. I mean, everybody was talking about stocks. Like now people talk about crypto or whatever, but you're not getting in your Uber and. And everybody's talking stocks. And that's the difference. It was just, you could just Tell. It was just. People were just too excited about trading stocks. There would be ads on television. You know, let's trade stocks. It was just a different world.

[A]

Like the Robin Hood thing that happened like, five years ago, right? Like, well, there was just like, you know, just all my friends.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Everybody getting to Robinhood. Buying, selling crypto.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, we thought that.

[B]

We thought to the moon, right?

[A]

With dogecoins of Wall street, all of us just got ripped.

[B]

My friend called me.

[A]

He's like, I just lost $50,000. He's like, I think I have a gambling addiction.

[B]

For real?

[A]

Yeah. So. So. So what? Like, what is a bill? Like, what is that? Like, what is a billion dollars? Like, what is having a billion. What does it feel amazing? Does it feel good?

[B]

It feels really good.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Really?

[A]

But what does it do? Like, what?

[B]

I don't have to stress about the bullshit. I used to have to stress, you

[A]

know, half a billion dollars, you don't have to stress. Right?

[B]

This is true. But I wasn't going to give it back.

[A]

I know, I know. I'm not saying that. But, like, your wife's not gonna. Your wife's not gonna understand what a billion dollars is, right?

[B]

Nobody does. Like, it was weird. Like, when it first happened. I mean, you just. You can't even fathom it.

[A]

Like, when it would laugh. Did you laugh?

[B]

Yeah, it was insane. Like, I like, to this day, I mean, it's just like how the this happened me to me. But like, when it first happens, it's like, okay. I mean, I remember the moment, right? And it was like this. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. How did this happen? And then your first inclination, what changes? You know? And for me, it was like, I wanted to buy a plane.

[A]

And so plane is the thing, right?

[B]

Plane is the thing, yeah.

[A]

Because you could be like, I want to go to Tokyo for dinner.

[B]

I can go right now.

[A]

That's crazy.

[B]

Yeah, I can go right now.

[A]

I want to go to Brazil for. For to shop.

[B]

Let's go. Let's go.

[A]

Really? You could do that?

[B]

I can do that.

[A]

Do you want to go to Magic City right now?

[B]

The wings, right?

[A]

We're at the Lemon Pepper Loos. So the plane. So. So I guess it's just kind of like the plane is the thing.

[B]

The plane is what you can buy, like, now with a billion dollars. You can't afford a sports team. Back then you could, right? It's crazy, but. So the plane was one thing, but the weird part was, like, how everybody else responds to you, like, My brothers, my parents, my friends.

[A]

Oh, the jackals.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Well, they just don't know, right?

[B]

They're like, okay, you know what's going to change? Like, I had one dude that I was kind of like a running buddy type dude that I wasn't close to, but he just sent me a letter, right? Didn't ask me. Sent me a letter asking for $275,000.

[A]

He said he's gonna give $275,000 to the next person.

[B]

Right. And put your name at the bottom of the list.

[A]

Sorry, but like, you, you know, you. You're so, you still go to Costco and stuff?

[B]

I go to Target. Yeah. I go to Walmart. Just whatever. Yeah.

[A]

Just like. Sorry. He's just like us, dude.

[B]

Right now. Yeah.

[A]

I mean, I, my. Here's my take, right? A billion dollars. Like, you're not. You're kind of. You just want to have more money than other guys, right?

[B]

At the beginning, it's a little bit

[A]

like you're thinking about other guys all day.

[B]

All day.

[A]

The only plausible way to do it in my mind is if you have a team. Right.

[B]

That's where my head was.

[A]

Yeah, it's the, It's. It must be the best thing ever when you're winning. Well, no, you even. Well, yes. Right.

[B]

When you're losing. It's brutal.

[A]

When you. I remember you coming into the league and being the loudmouth owner of the Dallas Mavericks. Yeah. And then I, I'm a Laker fan, so I'm like, oh, fucking screw this guy. But then in reality, it's like, if I have my own boys, my squad, like, I would be doing it like you.

[B]

Oh, my God. It was so much like when I first got in and nobody knew what to expect and didn't know shit about me. I mean, I would fuck with everybody. Like, I'd, you know, I'd get fined for shit. But like, Phil Jackson, right? So he. And I would. Because back then, you know, regular old school media, right? You just talk to a reporter and everybody would see it. Yeah. And so, like, he would talk shit about me. Oh, he doesn't know this. I would just talk shit right back. So, like, I called him my bucket boy. I called him my piss boy. And I'm. And I'm getting an interview with the Zen master, right? The Zen master is my piss boy, right. Because it's from this old Mel Brooks movie, right? Where there's this thing about piss boy. Piss boy. And so it's just like.

[A]

Oh, like, like the chamber pot.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Why did.

[A]

Why Phil Jackson?

[B]

Just because he would fuck with me and you know I would fuck with him right back.

[A]

How old were you when you bought the maps?

[B]

41.

[A]

Sick. Yeah, sick. And they're. They're younger guys now. There's Para.

[B]

Yeah, Robert Para.

[A]

How old was he when he bought it?

[B]

I think he was. I don't know. I don't even know with Robert because he never would show up to the meeting, so.

[A]

Yeah, what was his thing? It was from, like, routers. Yeah, he has the best routers.

[B]

I don't know if he has the best, but Russia buys a lot of them.

[A]

I know. Your boy Pablo just did a thing.

[B]

Yeah, I saw it. Yeah, your boy Pablo, my boy Paul.

[A]

Should we call him right now? Should we prank him?

[B]

You can call Pablo. I don't care. I don't know Paris stuff. I don't know. I don't know him at all.

[A]

You and Pablo were beefing, right, about the Ballmer thing?

[B]

No, I wasn't beefing. I get along great with Pablo.

[A]

Right.

[B]

It's just that we just disagreed.

[A]

I just want to just talk a little bit about that 2011 run because I think the NBA, we don't really see Cinderella runs like that.

[B]

And that was.

[A]

And what? Like what? When did you know there was something happening?

[B]

Not till we got past the Lakers. You know, when we swept the Lakers. Then I knew, because I'm always the type that I'm. Because in 2006, we made it to the finals. We go up 20 against the Heat, and I'll never forget, it's the third quarter, we're up 14 points, I'm standing behind the bench and I'm thinking to myself, we might sweep these motherfuckers, right? And then two minutes later, you know, boom, it all falls apart. So I never got, like, cocky or overconfident thinking this is going to happen, until, like, there's a picture of me next to the bench with like 30 seconds to go, and we're up 10, and there's just a bunch of us meeting Brendan Haywood, you know, Deshaun Stevens, just screaming at the top of our lungs. And it's not. It's. That's all the stress release, right? Because when you get into the playoffs, it's stressful as fuck, right?

[A]

Because.

[B]

Yeah, because you're just going, going, going. And the further you get, the more stressful it becomes.

[A]

Was there a satisfying aspect about the, like, not one, not two, not three, about, like.

[B]

And beating the shit out of it? Yeah. Yeah. The best part about that. No matter where I went, people just clap. Like, I came to New York, I had, I had an event that I had to do in New York and I got off the plane. Right. My plane. I got off my plane and literally the people that were just working at the airport started clapping.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I walked into a restaurant here.

[A]

Meet LeBron.

[B]

Yes, LeBron. You know, at rock music restaurant here, people stood up and started clapping.

[A]

In retrospect, kind of like that year, kind of, I feel like, was what. I think he was beloved. And then there was the, the decision.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

And then that last press conference after JJ snatched his soul.

[B]

Right.

[A]

After JJ Barea literally snatched his soul.

[B]

Hook him.

[A]

Oh, that's your boys too.

[B]

Took him.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, just, just asked. Bad buddy.

[A]

Right. That, that, that, that, that, that press conference, like where he's being a clutch sports UTA family.

[B]

But I remember because I was drunk.

[A]

Yeah, you had to be hammered. But he was like, they were like, what do you say to your, like, your critics? And he's like, you're poor and you're not LeBron James. Tomorrow you're going to wake up poor. And I'm just. And from the dis, like, I saw him be like a darling and league. And then from the decision that changed a year later, I think, like, his reputation still hasn't kind of recovered.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, you know, he's LeBron.

[A]

He's LeBron.

[B]

He's LeBron.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I mean, I don't know. Well, he's, he's cool. He's cool to me. Right. Because he produces movies and he's giving me cameos in a bunch of his movies. So that's my guy.

[A]

Wait, can you tell me about my, My goat a little bit? I know. He was my goat a little bit. Kobe. Kobe beat.

[B]

Oh, yeah, that. Kobe's the real deal. Yeah, we miss him. I had a great relationship with Kobe.

[A]

Yeah. You know, you liked it if you were mean to him.

[B]

Yeah, no, because I, him, like, I said they should amnesty him. And then this was like the anniversary, like 13 year anniversary of me saying that and him coming and torching the Mavs for 40 some points and then saying, then saying amnesty that.

[A]

You know, there was a Lakers Mavs game a couple years ago where Luka was maybe his second year or third year, and he was just going possession for possession with LeBron in that fourth quarter. Do you remember that game? It was like a regular season game. And I was like, I was just like. It was unbelievable.

[B]

That's when you saw what Luka was going to do.

[A]

That's when he arrived.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

That's your. That's your. That's your. That's your favorite guy.

[B]

Luka.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Cooper Flagg. No, I love Luca. Luca's my guy.

[A]

How does it feel? Cooper flag. The domestic whites. We let these Euros come over here and the domestic whites better at sports than us. And then now the ride. Chet and Cooper flag. It's Wakanda a little bit for us. No, it's representation, right? When I'm like, I watch Austin Reeves on the Lakers, I'm like, if I played on a team with LeBron James, I would be busting my ass like this guy, right?

[B]

And look what's happened, you know? Yeah. Become a hell of a player.

[A]

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[B]

Everything.

[A]

Everything.

[B]

Everything was my final decision.

[A]

And so you do you like developed into like, you had to learn the cap and the cba, all that stuff?

[B]

All of it? Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. What do you think the worst trade was in NBA history?

[B]

I don't know. Maybe there were a couple trades in February of 2025 that weren't that good. But I don't want to judge.

[A]

Which one, which one was it?

[B]

I think there was a deal with the Lakers, but I forget.

[A]

No, what did that do to you? Did you feel like you put 20 years into something and then you were like, what the fuck has happened?

[B]

Pretty much, yeah. Yeah. I remember exactly where I was. I was talking to Governor Andy Beshear. Speaking of Governor Kentucky. Of Kentucky. Yeah. Literally I was at healthcare event and. Or at an event talking about healthcare and there was like six or seven people, politicians and shit, and we were having a beer and I got a text from our general manager and he's like, hey, give me a call, Nico. Yeah.

[A]

And you hired him?

[B]

I hired him.

[A]

Do you regret it?

[B]

Yeah, in hindsight now, it was a mistake, but whatever. But yeah, he was like, mark, call me. Or you know, and I did. And that's when I, when He told me about it. I thought he was asking me as opposed to telling me. He's like, no, it's done. I'm like, what the. And that was it. Do you.

[A]

When you own a team, do you feel like there's like an extra kind of layer of responsibility? Because you have a responsibility kind of to a community. Right.

[B]

For sure. Like, I would say it all the time. I didn't own the team. I just responsible for the Bills and the fans on the team.

[A]

Yeah. And, like, to some extent, like, I mean, it's not your fault if something goes wrong. There's like a mean God forbid, but there's like a domestic violence. If somebody goes right. Like, then a guy from the Eagle, like an Eagles fan, will get to eat a piece of poo poo, right? Yeah. You know.

[B]

You know, you got to set your sights high.

[A]

The community kind of depends on it.

[B]

No, I mean, look, when you're winning, when you're going on a champ, like the Eagles or whatever, you're going on a championship run, and they love. The whole city's on fire.

[A]

Yeah. And it's their favorite food.

[B]

A poop hoagie.

[A]

So what. Why did you decide to sell? I mean, like, it had to. You had 20 years. You had, like.

[B]

Yeah, 23 years.

[A]

23. You love that shit. You were loving it more than any other owner.

[B]

Yeah. But it got to the point where

[A]

your kids had to have been, like, so much fun.

[B]

They were. They were having fun, but I was, you know, I don't want it to be a situation where they felt forced to follow my footsteps, steps, you know, because I've seen other teams where the son takes over, you know, and kind of like it's just the expectation.

[A]

Oh, your son is a problem.

[B]

No, my son is cool as hell. He loves basketball.

[A]

He would fuck up the team.

[B]

No, he wouldn't up the team.

[A]

You're saying your son is worse than Nico Harrison?

[B]

No, my son would run circles around Nico Harrison. My son knows his right football even more than basketball. But, you know, it was just to the point where it just wasn't as much fun anymore, you know, And I. I wanted to do this healthcare thing, and that was starting to take off, and I don't want my kids to feel the pressure to follow my footsteps. And it was just like, it was a constant battle. And, you know, inside the NBA, it was all about valuations. Like when I first got started with David Stern, and then even when Adam took over, it was all about fans and making the league better and improving the Experience and the global profile team.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And all that stuff, too. They were smart. They were smarter than I was in that stuff. But then all of a sudden, you know, teams changed hands and all the meetings were about, you know, valuations and not about improving the teams or improving the game itself. And I was just like, okay, I don't need this anymore.

[A]

In, like. Do you feel like you sold at the top?

[B]

No.

[A]

Was it.

[B]

No, no, no. I left money on the table.

[A]

Yeah, because you're. It didn't feel like a Mark Cuban deal. Right.

[B]

Because I.

[A]

The Bucks got, like, a similar valuation right after you sold. Right.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

And it's like.

[B]

That's different markets.

[A]

It's a smaller market.

[B]

Yeah, for sure. No, I left money on the table. You know, financially, it was not a good move for me, or I made mistakes, and I did it that way because I expected that I would continue to run the team.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Because. Yeah, and that's just not what happened.

[A]

And what was your title after that? Basketball operations.

[B]

No, I was going to be in charge of basketball operations, but the. The league had these stipulations, and we couldn't get it into the contract. And I trusted the guy, and the guy didn't live up to what he shook hands on.

[A]

Did he force you out or the league forced you out of.

[B]

Basically, Nico forced me out because he

[A]

got the guy you hired.

[B]

The guy I hired? Got the new guy. Yeah. Right. Jesus Christ. Got the new guy to basically trust him and ignore me.

[A]

Do you think Nico Harrison's done better with his role overseeing Trump's trade policy?

[B]

You know, I noticed the similarities. Yeah. Yeah. I think he. I think he has.

[A]

Is the tariff thing a Nico joint?

[B]

You know what? I think you're right, because, you know, tie it back.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Nobody really gets this, but you were the first. Right. Tennis shoes manufactured overseas.

[A]

I call them basketball shoes.

[B]

Basketball shoes? Yeah, basketball shoes. Sneakers manufactured overseas. Right, right. Tariffs. Because Nike manufactures everything overseas. Right. And it's not just shoes, of course.

[A]

Yeah. You know.

[B]

Right. And so.

[A]

Yeah, of course, there's a speculation that. That Miriam Adelson wants to move the team to Tel Aviv. What do you think? What do you make of that?

[B]

I don't. I don't.

[A]

You don't think that.

[B]

No.

[A]

Yeah. Did it change your whole perspective on the whole. What. What's going on over there thing at the train?

[B]

Like Miriam? Yeah, Miriam's cool. She. You know, we made an agreement not to talk politics.

[A]

Right. You and Miriam. Yeah. Yeah. Here is a question, though. There is a speculation about the what, what's happening in Austin? Lobbying in Austin for the gaming. It's a red state. It's the single biggest donor to the Republican Party. The Adelsons. Like, why have they been unsuccessful in Austin? I don't understand.

[B]

I mean, it doesn't make sense to Texas. Politics is a different beast.

[A]

Well, they don't go to work. They go to work like two months a year, right?

[B]

Yeah, every two years. Every two years. Two years ago. And so, yeah, it's just a different beast. And there's, you know, the people in charge have got to be able to bring the bill and all this stuff. I'm not into the Texas politics.

[A]

Trump was literally like, Miriam gives so much money. Like, she wanted to go on heights. I gave her the Golan Heights and she got the Golan Heights, but she couldn't get a casino in Dallas, you

[B]

know, I mean, that shows you who has the power.

[A]

Greg Abbott. Oh, no, but she does. No, it doesn't.

[B]

It's a. Like I said, even more power than the President.

[A]

Do you think that there's like, like, why. What happened? Like, why was Luka offered one team? Like, do you think, like, do the people of Dallas or do you as a former owner feel satisfied in an explanation? Like, do you feel like.

[B]

No, no one was satisfied with the explanation.

[A]

Why one team? I'm a Laker fan too, so you don't even have to actually find. Is fine. Israel wanted us. No, but what?

[B]

Like, it made no sense to anybody.

[A]

It made no sense, right?

[B]

It was like, if you're going to trade them, okay, you can make an argument you're going to trade them, but at least get as much as Desmond Bain. I'm not here.

[A]

Who is it?

[B]

Miriam. Miriam, yeah. Bathroom repair guys.

[A]

There, you see? There's like literally a toilet.

[B]

I saw. Yeah.

[A]

So embarrassing.

[B]

I saw someone had used it. That was the embarrassing part. Am I wrong? Right? There was in there. Wait, let's go back to this, right?

[A]

Does it feel.

[B]

Wait, let's go back to right. I'm rich, I'm Jewish. Nobody ever fucking invites me to that shit.

[A]

Right? Yeah, The Trilateral Commission.

[B]

I. I didn't get an email.

[A]

Did you feel like a loser? A little bit. Like not finding your name more?

[B]

No. Jeff. No, that shit. No, but I'm just talking about the Trilateral Commission, right?

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

Come on.

[A]

The protocols, the elders.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like the real shit.

[A]

Did you at least get an invite to one of the sterling freak offs? No, but what was it like seeing that guy, The Board of Governors.

[B]

It Was different. And it wasn't the board of governors. He would have gatherings like when they had the All Star Game there. Whatever. Oh, my God.

[A]

It was.

[B]

It was kind of weird. Yeah.

[A]

I had Blake on the show, and it was. I was like, he would, like, he would bring in, like, other, like, gargoyles to be like, these are the tremendous bodies of the beautiful boys on the team. Blake said he was in a towel, and Sterling took his hand. He goes, my best player. Hip, hip, hooray.

[B]

And he lifted his hand up. It doesn't surprise me.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. Did you. You didn't go do anything like that? You just.

[B]

The locker room.

[A]

You didn't say, this is. This is Heshi Teshewitz.

[B]

Heshi was a legend, though. Heshi did. You knew it was Heshi because he never wore it.

[A]

Look at DeAndre Jordan. Yeah. What was that guy like? Tell me a little bit.

[B]

Dj.

[A]

No, no, no, no, no.

[B]

Donald Sterling DS he was different.

[A]

He looked like, like Smeagol a little bit, though.

[B]

He was prototypical, that's for sure.

[A]

Like, what did he say to, like, V. His girlfriend?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't want to see you with black guys.

[B]

It was. It was sad.

[A]

He was a racist. Yeah.

[B]

I mean, and literally, like, I, He, I. I went to one thing, I think that the NBA put on that he hosted because it was always really uncomfortable.

[A]

White party.

[B]

It was a white party. Yeah. Yeah. But it was NBA hosted. I think it was All Star Game or something. Something. And it was always uncomfortable. And he reminded me of my old Jewish grandfather. Yeah.

[A]

Cupid with an I. Yeah.

[B]

It was just like, he was. My grandfather was a little bit racist, and he just reminded me of that.

[A]

Yeah, but that's what a grandfather is, honestly. Yeah. Fair play. Did you have a relationship with Jerry when you were in Dallas?

[B]

Jerry Jones?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. I get along great with Jerry.

[A]

Yeah. I have a question. Like, did it, like, you're the owner of the team. Did it feel like, you know that clip? Do you see the clip of Jerry talking about, like, he's like, five. He's like five foot nine, four, four, 40, 280 pounds, eight and a half inches hard. About one of his players.

[B]

I missed that. I missed that one.

[A]

There's a lot of measuring in sports,

[B]

and you're the one bringing it up

[A]

every single time, Peterson. I mean, just guys, bodies. It's a little bit. Do you have to hire maybe. Maybe a black guy to do the measuring? You don't want to be measuring as a white guy. That's the owner.

[B]

Do you Need a job.

[A]

The owner of my team. I'm not saying the penises. I'm just saying like how high they can jump. And you just a little bit. You don't want to do the measuring.

[B]

You go back to it a lot.

[A]

Not the penis. Dude. You got a nasty mind, dude. I had, you know, I had Kevin on the, the show.

[B]

Which Kevin?

[A]

You're Kevin o'. Leary.

[B]

Oh, Kevin. Kevin o'.

[A]

Leary. You know, Shark Tank's real to him.

[B]

His what?

[A]

I think Shark Tank is real for him. I mean, he's like. And I can't stand when Barbara and Laurie tell me. I was like, I like when you yell at kids. And he's like. And Barbara and I can see their idea. It stinks. Like, I can smell it from over here. And Barbara and Lori are telling these little four year olds, oh, the great idea.

[B]

That's Kevin. Like it's, That's Kevin.

[A]

I'm like, it's real.

[B]

It's not just tv. No, it's real for sure.

[A]

He. You left the show?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You miss it?

[B]

I missed the people. It was fun.

[A]

He cried when you left. I saw.

[B]

He did.

[A]

You guys did a cheers.

[B]

We did the cheer. Yes. Thanks for watching Tender. It was tender. It was a good moment. I mean all the Sharks got on great. And the crew and everybody, you know, and we had our eater too. And so we all celebrated them and. Who?

[A]

Barbara?

[B]

No, not Barbara. Sorry, staff.

[A]

Yeah, Barbara's.

[B]

Barbara's a beast.

[A]

Barbara's a beast.

[B]

Oh my God. Like the outtakes in Shark Tank would be like the number one rated show because half the time if there's a good looking guy comes in to pitch, here's Barbara. As they're walking up.

[A]

I feel like Barbara. I feel like Barbara can just dates like Brazilian 22 year olds.

[B]

Both of them? Yeah, I mean like not just one.

[A]

Or you too?

[B]

No, no, no, not just one. Like Barbara wants them all. Like, she's like, I'm at that point in my life where just bring it hard, baby. Oh, Barbara's a freak.

[A]

Barbara a freak.

[B]

I love her to do it.

[A]

I do it. We were talking about this yesterday.

[B]

We were talking about this yesterday, boys. Of course, Barbara. You know what? When she.

[A]

How did we get this? Cuz we were like going to ask about it. We're like, oh, Barbara seen.

[B]

You know what happened to her birthday party, right? No, where she, she had a birthday party. We're like, where's Barbara? Where's Barbara? And everybody's like, special surprise. She was stooping. No worse. No worse.

[A]

Than shipping. I think stupping is nice, but in

[B]

a party with 100 people, but there's a casket.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

And literally we all walk up and they say, last rice. And then Barbara gets out of the casket and the party starts.

[A]

Is she wearing like a. Like a. Like a sexy outfit or something? Or like a bikini? Like a jumping out of a cake?

[B]

No, no, no.

[A]

Just regular. We love Barbara.

[B]

I love Barbara to death. She's the best.

[A]

Tell me, how did Damon go from a common street hustler to a fashion entrepreneur? I'm sorry. I've watched so much of that show because, like, I do stand up on the road, and when you're in a

[B]

hotel, it's just on CNBC all day.

[A]

Shark tank for like 9 hours. Go to the comedy club. Go back, see Kevin, yell at a child. I want to talk to you about your. Your pharmaceutical drugs. Yeah, yeah. One thing that I don't. Listen, I'm not a fucking. I know nothing about business. Right. I literally. I'm a psychopath. Whatever this is. I don't know. Like, this is my business, and it's a good business. Your mom is happy and the business is good.

[B]

The business is good.

[A]

Okay, but is it true that Trump has his own Trump dream drugs company, Trump rx? Did he. And he copied.

[B]

Yeah, but his not good. His does not measure up.

[A]

What is your just.

[B]

So My company's called costplusdrugs.com.

[A]

okay.

[B]

And what it is, it's very transparent pharmacy. So when you go to costplusdrugs.com, you can put in the name. And unlike anywhere else, we'll show you our cost. You just mark it up 15%, $5 for shipping, and you save a lot of money.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Right. And so we've saved millions of people a shit ton of money, and they thought it was a good idea, so they copied us. But we still work with them because I don't care. As long as people get cheap meds, I'm happy. Yeah.

[A]

And so then Trump. Now there's Trump drugs or whatever.

[B]

Just Trump rx.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. You were kind of positioning yourself as kind of the anti Trump billionaire for a second.

[B]

Yeah. That's just, you know, he is who he is now.

[A]

You're best friends with him. You made a deal.

[B]

I haven't talked to him.

[A]

You went to the island, you made a deal. He said that they're 500% cheaper.

[B]

A thousand.

[A]

But how's that. What does that mean?

[B]

It means they're cheaper than.

[A]

So you get like a drug is nine. Nine dollars you get. Well, sorry, if a drug is $100, then you get $900 back. Back.

[B]

That's what makes Trump our exact. That's why all his crypto deals.

[A]

That's the art of the deal.

[B]

The art of the deal, right. You make all the money on crypto and then you give it back when

[A]

you sell people drugs from the Qatar or something. It's so white trash. These. Cutter. Cut. Cutter. The president shouldn't be making money off of being the president. Right. Isn't that. Isn't there a rule somewhere?

[B]

As long as the big guy gets 10%, right. I mean, it's just crazy. You know, they would with Biden, who maybe did, maybe didn't, and then make all this money from crypto and everything else.

[A]

Yeah. Would you see yourself getting involved in politics? No, no, no.

[B]

I don't have the temperament for.

[A]

You don't have the temperament? Yeah. Yeah. What if Kevin was running and you're

[B]

like, Kevin did run in Canada.

[A]

In Canada.

[B]

Yeah, he did run in Canada and

[A]

he ran on the. On the child's.

[B]

They ran him out the door.

[A]

Hate party. I want to just like, real quick, like, I know we have like five minutes, but, like, I want to get to like, the. This year in the NBA, there have been two major kind of stories break. There's been the Balmer story, the. The gambling story. Yeah, I think gambling does kind of like, naturally, it was something that Stern was kind of keeping away from the league, I guess. First question is, like, does a David Stern, NBA, do these scandals break like they have in a. In a Stern administration?

[B]

Yeah. Things changes around you, no matter who you are, really.

[A]

So.

[B]

Yeah, I don't think he could have stopped it. And I love David to death, you know.

[A]

Yeah. You had a long standing rivalry with the refs. Right. And, like, it is understood that, like, when Donaghy. Donaghy was going to turn state's witness and then go back in, and then it was leaked to the post that Donaghy was working, was with the mafia, and then it kind of prohibited him from wearing a wire, you know, with the rest of the reps. Like, can you tell us like a little bit about, like, you know, Stern kind of. It seems like nipped that in the bud before.

[B]

Yeah, he did, right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I mean,

[A]

knew where the bodies were buried.

[B]

Oh, for sure.

[A]

And Adam Silver is more like a company man.

[B]

No, no, they're both the same. They're both very, very smart.

[A]

They're both murderers.

[B]

Nah, they're both. But, you know, they make more the More the league thrives, the more they get paid. But I think both of them, David and Adam, really, truly want to see the NBA succeed. And as much as they try to protect it, it's just you're dealing with 20, you know, 450, 485, you know, 20, 18 to 25 or 18 to 40 year olds. Right. You just get that many guys together, things are going to fuck up somewhere.

[A]

Are the refs, like just. Is it bullshit?

[B]

I think the refs try their hardest. I never had a problem with the refs, per se.

[A]

Who's the biggest dickhead? Who's your worst?

[B]

The dickheads are the ones that, man. That are the management of.

[A]

What about Scott?

[B]

Scott Foster? Yeah, I got along with Scott Foster, right. I would give him shit, you know, and he would yell at me back or whatever, but I never really had problems.

[A]

Paul, right?

[B]

Yeah, he definitely hates. He's got a lot of guys. Yeah, right. But the problem was always the people who managed him. They were the idiots. They had no clue what they were doing. They still don't know what they're doing.

[A]

So, like, I watched your podcast with Pablo. I guess we'll close on this because we have two minutes now.

[B]

We can go a little bit later. Amazing.

[A]

He's having the best time ever. It was plausible that it's like Steve Ballmer is successful and he. As he is, it's kind of stupid to write a check for 10 bucks to a company and then they write a check for 10 bucks to Kawhi Leonard. Right? Like, like drug dealers are better at like much better kind of washing money than. But like there is an aspect of it is like if it walks like a duck and it talks like a duck or whatever the.

[B]

Yeah, but if you know the NBA. See, that's what I would tell Pablo.

[A]

Right?

[B]

If you've been through all the shit and how it works.

[A]

Taylor, of course, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

With Joe Smith.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But it's just. It didn't make any sense to me, that's all. And I've been in situations where I've invested in companies that turned out to be scams and I didn't know it, so I got that part, you know, And I've been in situations where I

[A]

read somewhere you lost $590 million on Shark Tank. Is that true? No, that's what I've read. The Wall Street Journal, yo.

[B]

Beatbox Beverages, though, just my Shark Tank company. Bought a third of it for a million dollars. Just sold to Budweiser for 600 motherfucking million dollars.

[A]

Let's give it up for that Beatbox beverages.

[B]

Beatbox guys are good.

[A]

Sounds like a thing that an adult drinks, not a child after a long day at school. Wait, can I ask you about. So let's go back to the Balmer thing. I guess the league had to wait for All Star to investigate it, right?

[B]

No, I'm sure they're investigating it now. And it says something that it wasn't obvious because they haven't done anything yet. And even with Pablo, when he came out with new stuff, right? I mean, even he'll tell you there were no smoking guns. It was just, you know, you could. Like you said, if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck.

[A]

He never did one endorsement anything.

[B]

But they tried to use him for that stuff. Right? But on the flip side, they never paid out the full contract that they promised him.

[A]

Yeah, but like, he got paid like, the next highest endorsement was like $25.

[B]

He's Kawhi Leonard.

[A]

Yeah, he's the least charismatic NBA superstar.

[B]

No, he's so understated. I think he's hysterical.

[A]

Have you seen that clip of him talking about spongebob?

[B]

No, I have not.

[A]

Oh, my God, you got to see this, dude. Who's your biggest miss? Like, who. Who did you miss on? Like, what players you wish you got?

[B]

Oh, there's so many of them. Like, Tyrese Maxey was a big mix miss for us recently, you know, Greek freak was probably the biggest Stravos. Yeah.

[A]

You know. Wow.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. This is funny. Dude, you got to see this splashbox starting because he just wild. He gonna get it. Get it started for us. Scooby Doo. Second, I need him to figure out what's going on.

[B]

This guy's got entertainment chops. I don't care what anybody says. When he retires, he's the next train.

[A]

Peter Griffin.

[B]

When he retires, he's the next Blake Griffin.

[A]

No, I mean, we know. And is the pretty cool. He's gonna win at an Academy Award.

[B]

Ant was talking so much to me. I love Ant.

[A]

Do you see? He was talking to Obama.

[B]

Yeah, I know, which is great for you.

[A]

The president, he's like, I would kill

[B]

you one on one.

[A]

I would snatch your soul.

[B]

That's what he said. Yeah.

[A]

Was there ever a call for an investigation after the Luca trade? Like, did anyone.

[B]

I don't know, because I was. I was out of it. You weren't the governor by then.

[A]

Yeah, Very convenient.

[B]

Very convenient.

[A]

Convenient, Very convenient. Do you miss it? You want?

[B]

Yeah, sometimes I do. When? When we do Stupid.

[A]

Like tea back from Israel, dude.

[B]

They're like, yeah. I mean, I miss it because I think the fans have gotten let down, and I think because that I kind of let him down. So that's. That's what bothers me most.

[A]

I mean, like, I was a little suspicious when they got A.D. i love A.D. but Chris Middleton, finally they've made it right. They got someone better.

[B]

You know what? Sometimes you got to go full circle.

[A]

Jesus Christ, man.

[B]

I love Chris, too.

[A]

That was 23 years of your work.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then sometimes it's time to move on, and then someone just it up it up immediately.

[B]

But, you know, it was. As much as I loved it and as much as I still love the Mavs. Always be a Mavs fan. Sometimes there's bigger things to do.

[A]

So you don't care about the Mavis maps?

[B]

No, I love the maps.

[A]

You just like the big ladies. That's it.

[B]

Big ladies.

[A]

What is. Okay, I'm gonna ask you about a quiz on what. What these companies do. What's Clima Klima?

[B]

Oh, that was an old crypto thing.

[A]

Yeah. What do they do?

[B]

They do. They do the same thing as aspiration does. Yeah, they do carbon credits.

[A]

For real?

[B]

They're doing do carbon credits.

[A]

What is Yendo?

[B]

Yendo lets you borrow money against a car. Against a car. So, like, if you have no credit and you've got, like, $2,000 in equity and a beater that you've had, and you need $500 to pay the rent, we'll loan you. They'll loan you the money on it

[A]

on your payday, perhaps, maybe. What's Moolah?

[B]

Moolah Kicks. So that's women's basketball sneakers. They're badass basketball sneakers. Yeah. Moolah Kicks dot com. Check them out. Moolah Kicks for girls basketball.

[A]

What's Foam party hats?

[B]

Oh, they just got sold. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Do you ever forget that you have an investment in something?

[B]

Oh, yeah. Because I. If you go to Mark Cuban dot com, I list them all, and so I'm like, is this one of my companies? I sent an email today to somebody like, is this one of ours? Are we still in this thing? So, like, there's some, like. What was that one company? Yeah.

[A]

One of your companies is a swimming pool in. In a truck?

[B]

No, that guy. I did it because he was in the Air Force flying jets. And so I thought it was a fun idea. And I like the idea of being in a truck. Right. Drinking a couple beers in my swimming pool in my truck bed but that company kind of got put on hold and we're looking at having one of the guys who worked for us, his brother, take it over.

[A]

There is like a souring attitude nationally. Like, it was always kind of like a. Like a, like a lefty commie thing to be like the corporations. But like, I think post Covid, like now people on the right are like the corporations, right?

[B]

Everybody fucked the corporate.

[A]

There's a souring attitude today nationally. And you think like, does is that felt amongst, you know, people that are in the business world? Like, is that like.

[B]

Yeah, if you're smart.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Right. Because you, you're starting, starting to see people rebel against the disparity in wealth, the wealth gap. Right. And if people are. The worst thing possible for business is when people are rioting or civil disobedience, whatever it may be, to keep people from going into your store or doing business with you. People pay attention. Now, they didn't necessarily pay attention before, but if you don't show some compassion as a capitalist, it's going to backfire on you.

[A]

You don't have enough money to buy crap that you don't need also. That's probably bad.

[B]

No, I mean, you gotta pay the bills. The.

[A]

Which. How big are these foam party hats?

[B]

They're really fucking big, right?

[A]

Barbara wearing one in the casket.

[B]

Yes. Yes. It wouldn't fit. No, they were like literally these big foam hats that were pretty funny.

[A]

If I ever get to a place like in life where I need to get a group together to maybe buy like a, like third division, like soccer team in England. Sam, we may as well ask the dream and then do that thing that like Van Wilder did.

[B]

Yeah. Wrex him like. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Would you like.

[B]

Yeah, I talked to you about it for sure. Yeah. I mean, actually, it wouldn't be a bad idea if you went over there, right?

[A]

No, no, I have to be here at my Jewish long form. Oh, that YouTube styles. No, I'm gonna go over there. I'm gonna be in the owner's box. I'm gonna be taking shots with the, with the guys in the video village that eat like the disgusting food I'm having.

[B]

I get offered teams like that all the time. You can do it just like, how

[A]

much was one of those teams?

[B]

I mean, a couple million dollars on the lower levels. And then you work your way.

[A]

It was nothing to us.

[B]

Nothing. A rounding error.

[A]

Just let me just load me, please.

[B]

Get on your knees.

[A]

You're not Kevin. Dude,

[B]

that was a blast. Thank you. That was so much fun.

[A]

Sam.