B (2:26)

Just a little context here. We are both here at Content Squares CX Circle in New York. You just wrapped up your session here about cross device journeys and just about that. I don't know anyone, myself included, who doesn't bounce from channel to channel or device to device, so this is a complicated challenge for brands. What are some of the lessons that you've learned in your experience through analytics that help you create more seamless journeys for your audiences?

C (2:57)

I think when you think about Snapfish and Shutterfly, we sell digital photo products, so probably mobile app is as important or more important to our business than maybe any other, because the source of photos is now all phones. So we look at this a lot. I think some of the things that surprised us early on was just how often people move back and forth. There's a lot, especially if you're building one of our complex products like a book or a calendar. You know, you don't necessarily upload all your photos or you think of something, oh, well, I should have that photo from, you know, last year. So you're hopping back and forth a lot. And I think we've spent a lot of effort examining that and trying to align the mobile app experience with the site experience more so that as users move back and forth, they're not. They're not confused. We found people getting stuck where the experience was different. So I think we've really done a good job of aligning those experiences better. And we've done that based on analytics data.

B (4:01)

Yeah, yeah. And so, yeah, to that point, I mean, to get that understanding, you're obviously looking at reporting and things, but the things that. What drives those reports is data, of course. So, you know, how do you look at, you know, what type of data is important to your role and, you know, how do you make it actionable?

C (4:21)

Yeah, that's a great question. Actionable is. I mean, we generate so much data, we have so many users, particularly on Shutterfly. When I first moved to Shutterfly from Snapfish, I was just astonished at the volume of data that we get. So I think, you know, really, we care a lot about key touch points during the funnel, of course. So starting a project, people often spend many, many hours building a project, particularly a photo book. I just built one myself, and I probably put 30 hours into that photo book. It was a bunch of vacation photos. And you get really deeply into this and spend a lot of time there. So we look at how users behave across sessions in addition to across device. Because I'm relatively old, so I can't build a book on a phone. It's too small. So I'll get my photos there and then I'll hop over to the computer as quickly as I can. But really, the key sort of KPIs for us are those touch points like we want. Project Start is probably Our most critical metric that we watch to watch users start building products. And then depending on the product, you know, there's more complex steps further along in the funnel. But that project start, like getting someone to start a project is really key for us.

B (5:37)

Yeah, yeah, well, yeah. And then I would imagine, you know, 30 hours, you know, even 10, 20, like that's a, that's an investment of, of time. And, and so to be able to track that along along the way, you know, that requires understanding, you know, what, what are the blockers, right, because you want that, you want them to get past, I don't know what the threshold is, but you know, you want them to get past that threshold so that they are willing to, you know, invest that, that time and effort and make something great that's memorable, all of that. Like how do you look at getting kind of over the first hurdle?

C (6:12)

So I think the difference for us, especially because we have products that people can spend so much time working on, is that the data model itself is user based rather than event based. So prior to we actually started as Heap customers Snapfish, coincidentally we were in the same block in downtown San Francisco. So I could walk out the front door, Snapfish, walk around the corner and go to the Heap office and, and spent a lot of time there. But that was really the factor that pushed us into using this particular tool set is because it allowed us to track easily across device types, which is what I just finished talking about, but also across sessions.

A (6:54)

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B (7:46)

So you mentioned Shutterfly has a mobile app. And mobile apps can certainly be tricky to develop and manage. How is customer mobile engagement different than say the dot com?

C (8:01)

Yeah, I think customers are doing different activities generally on the mobile app. Much more about like selecting photos and uploading those photos. And we see a lot of people ordering really simple products like prints in particular from the. Just direct from the app. You don't need to leave the app for prints or like a single surface product, like a coffee mug or an ornament or a mouse pad, something like that. So I think we do, except for probably our youngest users who are intrepid enough to build an entire project, even a complex one, on the app or even on M web on a phone. I think that most of the activity we see on the apps tends to be the simpler, quicker products to build that. And of course photo management, photo management is really almost all takes place or photo selection really. Management people will often manage their photos in their library on the, on the PC. But finding the photos and uploading them originally is like exclusively on the apps now.

B (9:04)

Yeah, yeah. So Dave Anderson from Content Square mentioned today, you know, AI is, you know, it's, it's a means to an end and that end is, is a great experience. You could, you know, you could probably say the same for the data collection and all that. It's like it. If it doesn't create a great customer experience at the end, you're really just collect. You're storing a bunch of stuff in a bunch of places. Right. So what questions do you ask yourself about the customer journey that kind of keeps you centered on cx?

C (9:37)

You know, as I said before, we generate just a ton of data. And when I moved from Snapfish or when Snapfish and Shutterfly merged, I got a glimpse into Shutterfly and one of the first questions I asked myself is, you know, why are they so much bigger and well known than we are? And the answers, of course, were marketing. We have just unbelievable marketing organization, but also data analysis. Like, we have a team of data scientists. We didn't have one of those at Snapfish.

A (10:05)

Right.

C (10:06)

And so I think all of the data that we generate has to be used usefully. And I see a ton of potential for AI helping us do that. I really enjoyed the morning session where they showed us all the new AI features. I'm super excited. In fact, I have people texting me from the office, like, when can we start using it? I'm like, hold on, the session is not. The day is half over, so we'll get there. So I think there's a lot of excitement around that. We also are just beginning to use the new Connect product to dump the data out into databricks and put it into our own data science models. And so I think there's just a ton of potential and it's moving so fast, it's really hard to keep up. But I like that Content Square is focusing on giving us stuff we can Use right now. I've always been a crawl, walk, run guy, and I think AI is moving so fast, you almost feel like you have to just skip the crawl phase and start walking and maybe running to keep up. Totally. But I'm super excited about the direction it's moving. And particularly for Shutterfly, I mean, we have a lot of data. There's a lot of data in our user photos, for example. There's a lot. So I think the potential for us is really, really massive.

B (11:24)

Yeah. Yeah. Is there anything on your mind in particular as far as, like, you know, what's. Future. Future thoughts on using AI or things like that?

C (11:36)

Yeah, I mean, I mentioned I just built a photo book. I would love to have an AI help me build a photo book. It's really time consuming. We have a service called Make My Book where we have designers put your book together. And actually I've used that a couple times as a starting point, but then, you know, inevitably it's just sort of a, you know, they put them in order by date or time taken. It's never as smart as I want it to be when I, when I get my, my product back. So I think AI can really enhance that. It's. I think it'll be a lot smarter about blending images of, you know, a particular event or like. Like I. I built a photo book of my son's wedding and, and it was hard to even get the. Even though the, like, the photos have time and date stamp. Like, some of the pictures were still out of order. Like, hey, I could have fixed that for me, I think really easily could have grouped together all the photos of the bridesmaids super easily and then the groomsmen super easily. So I think AI just has a huge potential to make the experience much easier. And instead of spending 20, 30 hours on my photo book, I can do it in five or six and still have a product that's just as good.

B (12:48)

Yeah, yeah. Love it. Well, Chip, thanks so much for joining today. One last question I like to ask all my guests here. What do you do to stay agile in your role and how do you find a way to do it consistently?

C (13:00)

Yeah, it's funny because I'm a relatively old guy, so I started software development back when actually I ran my own company years ago and we released our first product on floppy disks. So I think I have a huge appreciation for how agile the Internet is to begin with. In some ways, mobile apps are a step back from that because you have to do releases sort of like old school, like publishing the CD rom submit them to the app store and all that. The mobile release process is really clunky compared to the Internet. I think the the Internet just by its very nature allows you to be much faster and much more agile so you can try things you may be test stuff, you know, you try some ideas are bad so try it. Fail fast iterate. I think it's just it's a very agile world now and I really really appreciate that because I started in such a cumbersome sort of slow waterfall y process.

B (13:51)

Yeah, love it. Well again I'd like to thank Chip Lewis, Director of Web analytics at Shutterfly, for joining the show. You can learn more about Chip, Shutterfly and Content Square by following the links.

A (14:01)

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