From Ai4: Big Spaceship's CEO Taryn Crouthers on prioritizing human judgment while moving fast

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Agile Brand with Greg Kihlström® — “From Ai4: Big Spaceship's CEO Taryn Crouthers on Prioritizing Human Judgment while Moving Fast”
Guest: Taryn Crouthers, CEO, Big Spaceship
Host: Greg Kihlström
Date: August 10, 2026
Location: Recorded live at AI4 2026, Las Vegas

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Episode Overview

This episode spotlights the evolving relationship between AI efficiency and human judgment within creative agencies. Greg Kihlström welcomes Taryn Crouthers, the new CEO of Big Spaceship, for a candid discussion on navigating rapid technological change, specifically how agencies can embrace AI to enhance — but not replace — the creative process. Taryn shares her philosophy on fostering adaptability, ensuring brand safety, and developing AI-enabled workflows that future-proof both teams and client deliverables.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Taryn’s Background and the Agency Perspective

• Taryn reflects on her nonlinear career, from TV and entertainment to social publishing and now agency leadership (03:39).
• Her family’s experience during the transition from film to digital photography shaped her openness to technological change:

  “I saw an entire industry really change overnight and how you could take a new tool and do infinitely better or more interesting creative work. … Huge parallel to what’s happening now in creative agency world.” — Taryn, (04:00-04:40)

Change Management & AI Mandates

• Agencies experience similar disruption and transformation as their enterprise clients.
• Importance of coaching teams, especially younger talent, to embrace AI tools for long-term career success (05:15).
• When faced with a top-down AI mandate, Taryn advises digging into intent:

  “Is it to make better creative? Is it to make something cheaper?... And depending on that response... how you recommend and implement that is infinitely different.” — Taryn, (06:39-07:30)

Moving Beyond Efficiency: AI as a Creative Amplifier

• The first wave of AI adoption focused on efficiency. Conversation is now shifting toward AI as a vehicle for better, more innovative work (08:33).
• AI’s impact is “compounding,” affecting not just one layer but every workflow within the agency and their clients (08:50).
• Example: Using AI for lifelike storyboarding accelerates client buy-in and raises the quality of creative testing (09:37):

  “With Generative, you can storyboard, but in such a lifelike way ... the quality of creative testing is so much stronger.” — Taryn, (09:54)

AI in the Creative & Production Process

• Augmentation, not just automation: AI eliminates time barriers, freeing creative teams to add value in new ways (11:22).
• AI enables teams to test riskier ideas quickly, preventing expensive missteps in production (12:02).
• AI’s role extends through post-production:

  “We ended up filming and then removing the water after [it rained]… you could change the sky… you could change the lighting and augment it all with generative imagery in a way that never would have... been very, very cost prohibitive before.” — Taryn, (13:25-14:00)

Measurement, Accountability, and Brand Safety

• Ownership and accountability in AI workflows: Big Spaceship uses closed systems to protect IP and makes explicit what is human-generated vs. AI-augmented (16:10).

  “As an agency, you’re responsible for the input and the output... we are confident that… the ideas… are ideas from our creative team.” — Taryn, (16:10)

• Every agency-client relationship starts with explicit AI addendums to ensure transparency and comfort with AI tools (17:42).

Team Impact & Operations

• Measuring AI’s impact goes beyond typical KPIs:
  • Internal: Tracking how AI frees team members from low-value “tasks that suck,” using time-tracking and tools like Claude for workflow optimization (18:37).
  • External: Agencies are shifting from time-and-materials billing to deliverables-based, recognizing the value of human expertise behind the prompts (20:42):

    “30 seconds because I prompted, but 30 years because of all of the nuance that I learned… to be a good prompt writer.” — Taryn, (20:42)

• Infinite revisions enabled by AI can introduce workflow challenges; both agencies and clients must adapt and set new boundaries (21:56).

Personalization and the Future of Creative Work

• AI enables personalization at scale, creating assets that are more relevant and engaging (23:12).
• The industry is moving into “stage two” of AI adoption, now emphasizing quality and customization over novelty or just speed (22:40).

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Notable Quotes

• On Navigating Rapid AI Change:

  “This is the worst it’s going to be. … The tools are better, the tech is better… we’re going to figure it out from there.” — Taryn, (07:55)

• On Human Judgment vs. Automation:

  “Real agility here isn’t being quick with the latest tools, it’s moving fast without losing the through line that makes a brand recognizable.” — Greg, (00:48)

• On AI and Expertise:

  “30 seconds and 30 years.” — Taryn, (20:42)
  (On how long it took to make a creative asset: “30 seconds to prompt, 30 years of experience.”)

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Memorable Moments

• Host and guest bond over shared backgrounds in photography, connecting past technology shifts with today’s challenges (05:00-05:07).
• Taryn’s practical example of saving a rainy outdoor shoot in post-production with generative AI illustrates the profound shift in creative operations (13:25).
• Insight into evolving agency-client contracts and the realignment of value (17:42, 20:42).

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:48: Podcast theme introduction — drawing the line between AI and human creative work
• 02:32: Taryn Crouthers introduced; background and career narrative
• 05:44: The importance of embracing (and coaching) through change — lessons from the film-to-digital transition
• 06:39: How to respond to an “AI mandate”: Always clarify intent
• 09:37: Practical examples: AI in storyboarding, creative testing, and research
• 13:25: AI in post-production — saving outdoor shoots, limitless asset versioning
• 16:10: Safeguarding ownership and accountability in AI-generated work
• 18:37: Internal measurement: optimizing team energy and time with AI
• 20:42: Shifting valuation models for creative agencies ("30 seconds and 30 years")
• 22:40: The new normal: infinite changes vs. more valuable creative output
• 23:12: Personalization at scale; looking ahead to the next phase of AI + creativity
• 24:14: Taryn’s personal agility practices and daily habits for innovation

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Concluding Thoughts

Taryn Crouthers advocates a balanced, intentional approach to AI in creative agency work: probe for intent, protect human insight, and continuously adapt. Agencies should recalibrate for a future where AI amplifies what is most valuable, but only when human judgment draws the boundaries and leverages the tools toward meaningful, differentiated outcomes.

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For More:
Learn about Taryn Crouthers and Big Spaceship in the show notes. For strategy consulting and speaking, visit Greg Kihlström’s website.

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Transcript

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Welcome to season eight of the Agile Brand Podcast. This season we're going all in on Expert Mode, MarTech, AI and Customer Experience, talking with the people and platforms behind the brands you know and love. Again, I'm your host Greg Kilstrom and I help Fortune 1000 companies make sense of martech, AI and marketing ops. Hit subscribe or follow to make sure you always get the latest episodes and leave us a rating so others can find us as well. And make sure you check out our sponsor TechSystems, an industry leader in full stack technology services, talent services and real world adoption. For more information go to techsystems.com now let's dive in.

[Greg Hillstrom]

Tommy, discuss this topic. I'd like to welcome Taran Crothers, CEO at BigSpace. Taran, welcome to the show.

[Taran Crothers]

Thank you so much for having me Excited to Be here.

[Greg Hillstrom]

Yeah, Looking forward to this. Before we dive in though, why don't you give a little background on yourself and your role at Big Spaceship?

[Taran Crothers]

Yeah, absolutely. So I am CEO of Big Spaceship. I've been in the chair for about nine months now, so pretty new. But I have been a fan for the agency, of the agency for, gosh, as long as truly my entire career. The agency has been around for about 25 years, so they've just always done incredible work and innovation. So excited to now be leading the very talented team.

[Greg Hillstrom]

Yeah, yeah, I know. I've. I've been following Vic Spaceship for quite a while as well as we were

[Taran Crothers]

talking about an epic resume, so.

[Greg Hillstrom]

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And so, you know, we're going to talk a lot about AI being used in the enterprise, you know, some of your clients and things like that. But I also want to talk, you know, you're. You're relatively new to the role, nine months in as CEO. Just as enterprises are going through a lot of AI transformation, agencies are also.

[Taran Crothers]

Is there change happening right now?

[Greg Hillstrom]

Right, right, I know, yeah. You know, what drew you to Big Spaceship and kind of the agency world here?

[Taran Crothers]

Yeah, yeah. I've always been a builder at heart. Like, that's just for me, kind of what gets me up every day and gets me up in the morning. I have a little bit of a nonlinear career. So I started at 15 or so years in TV and entertainment and I helped build a social publisher. And then now I'm leading a creative agency. And so for most, I would think they would be like, well, what is the through line there? But I think for me it's been helping companies navigate change through those times. And it really all, not to get too personal, but it all kind of stems back to my parents. So they originally had, back in the day for their career, they had a photography studio and it was when film was switching to digital. And so I saw firsthand, my dad helped develop some of the first digital cameras and my mom was a digital illustrator. And I saw an entire industry really change overnight and how you could take a new tool and do infinitely better or more interesting creative work. And so obviously there's a huge parallel to what's happening now in creative agency world. And so that was one of the reasons why I was so excited about the role. And then you layer on top of that Big Spaceship and you know, we've been doing digital innovation since the very beginning. Right. Like the first flash websites and those sorts of things. So now to have the privilege of leading a team through this next phase of change to me was an opportunity I really couldn't miss.

[Greg Hillstrom]

Yeah, well, we'll have to talk later because I was actually a photography major. Oh, you were in the dark room, like right at that.

[Taran Crothers]

Dark room.

[Greg Hillstrom]

Yeah, right at that. Like, kind of changed. Well, like digital cameras became a thing as I was graduating today myself a little bit.

[Taran Crothers]

No, Yeah, I grew up with all of that and I think there was an entire generation of photographers who either stayed really true to kind of the craft and then others that accepted this new technology. And, you know, sadly, there was a pretty large divide between who was able to move on and have long standing careers. And so I'm just super passionate personally now, especially around agencies of helping kind of coach teams and certainly younger teams around the importance of learning these tools to be able to have a long standing career.

[Greg Hillstrom]

Yeah, yeah, it's a, it's a, it's a big change. Much, much like that. And so I want to start by talking a little bit about, you know, as we've heard Today already at AI4, we're here all the time. There's this mandate from many, whether it's boards, execs, to do AI, you know, so hopefully it's articulated a little better in most cases. In some cases, I swear it's not, but that is what it is. But, you know, let's talk a little bit about, you know, how do you balance that mandate that comes from the top or wherever to do something with AI to be more efficient, in many cases with protecting the brand, because at the end of the day, you know, that that's a valuable thing that I think often gets overlooked in some of these efficiency conversations.

[Taran Crothers]

Yeah. Whenever I think about AI and adding AI into anything, whether it's the creative process or the process process of how we make stuff, I always work with the team and with our partners and clients to figure out what is the intent behind the reason that we're using AI in the first place. Right. I think it's any good strategist or problem solver, you're trying to understand why we're doing it before we come up with a solution. And I think AI is no different. So if you're talking to a partner and they want to say they want to implement AI, the question back is to what end? Right. Is it to make better creative? Is it to make something cheaper? Is it to reduce production costs? Is it to reduce staffing costs? Is it to do some, some customization that you couldn't do before using this technology? And depending on that response of course, the outcome of how you recommend and implement that is infinitely different. So I think it's asking that kind of next layer of questions. I like to think last year, certainly 2024, and I think most of 2025, AI and innovation was really focused on efficiency, like, how do we do this faster, how do we do it cheaper? And now the conversations we're having, the partners is how do we use it, but to do things better. And so that, I think, has been a really positive and fun shift. I also think anytime you're managing through change, when things are changing as fast as they are currently in the industry right now, I like to think this is the worst it's going to be. And I talk to the team, right. It's like figuring out how to navigate through what was left even just a month or two ago. The tools are better, the tech is better, the generative AI is better, you know, and, and this is the worst it's going to be. We're going to figure it out from there. So I, I don't know what that says about me, but for me it is, it is. Call me, I think, because, you know, it's just going to, going to get better from here.

[Greg Hillstrom]

Yeah, I know what you mean. I mean, I go back to the early days of the Internet and everything, social media, anything. It was always like, why can't it just do that next thing? I think I, I agree. I think we're, we're there, we're just. Yeah, we'll, we'll be able to see over the hill in a, in a year or two, probably.

[Taran Crothers]

I think that the difference is it's compounding. Right. Because think of actually certainly the Internet or social media, those are massive changes that impacted how we go to market and business. But with AI, it's a layer deeper in everything that we're doing, not only for us as an agency, but for all of the brands and partners that we're working with and the workflows. So it impacts so much that it's just change on top of change, which I think is obviously scary for some people.

[Greg Hillstrom]

Yeah, yeah. So to talk about going beyond efficiency and to do some of the new things and maybe more fun things even. Yeah, yeah. Can you talk a little bit about, you know, how do you use AI in the creative process? Maybe you know, even to visualize creative ideas, things like that.

[Taran Crothers]

Yeah. So there are, I mean, there are literally hundreds of ways that we're using AI. I'll pick out a few. Some that are maybe more traditional and then others that are nuanced. So one storyboarding, which sounds really simple, Right. But anytime we're going to do a larger production, we would traditionally storyboard it. That entire process, you would have a storyboarding artist, and it would take quite a bit of time and back and forth. And at the end of the day, certainly for CMOs, who then have to take those storyboards up to their board to get, you know, projects approved, it's. It's kind of hard sometimes to visualize what that looks like. And now with Generative, you can storyboard, but in such a lifelike way that I think it really helps to determine is this an investment that I want to make for creative testing? Same thing where beforehand you were asking audiences to take a leap of faith in creative testing, now they can see something that looks pretty darn close to what it ultimately will look like. And so I think the quality of the creative testing is so much stronger because you're able to use Generative on the insights side of things. You know, our STRAT teams are able to comb through and analyze so much more data and find more human truth, have access to, you know, better data than they were before because a lot of these tools. So I think we're getting to more interesting and differentiated territories faster creatively than we were. So those are just a. A few. But there's a.

[Greg Hillstrom]

There's a lot there that's augmentation. Not. I mean, it. It is efficient because to get a realistic sketch of a storyboard, you know, 30 storyboards would take a very long time for a human to do. So in a sense, it's efficiency, but it's also just. It's getting better results more quickly. Right.

[Taran Crothers]

So, yeah, absolutely. And. And it allows us, I think, to get to places that we wouldn't have historically because you had time constraints. Right. So if you don't have the creative team who's spending the time doing the storyboarding, well, then they can think of, how can I make this output better? How can I do extras that I normally wouldn't have been able to accommodate in the scope? How am I connecting dots differently? So that's really my kind of mandate to the team is not necessarily how do we spend less time, but how do we spend our time in ways that are more impactful to the end result, to the audience, to our clients

[Greg Hillstrom]

and the output, and even get to things that seemed like a good idea in your head, but when you see it in reality, it's, you know, we're not. We're not perfect. Right.

[Taran Crothers]

So there are Lots of ideas that I feel like are left on the cutting room floor that maybe wouldn't have been before because you visualize it and you realize, oh, that actually it's okay, that didn't work. And it's such a better, cheaper way to really look at an opportunity and make a decision.

[Greg Hillstrom]

Well, it's more factor for any client, I would imagine. Like after you invest so much in an idea, I mean, you can back out of it, but that's a very expensive investment that you're backing out of. And you know, it's happened before, I'm sure, but yeah, this gets you to, okay, we actually know what it's like or what it's going to be like now let's take that last leap. Right.

[Taran Crothers]

And that's just up to the production process. Right. So everything we've been talking about now is part of creative development and pre testing. But then I look at all of the opportunities where we're using AI in production, post production, editing, asset versioning, and that's also where, where you used to have to have a finite number of assets that came out of a production. Now it's almost limitless. We're really thinking in creative models and campaign models as opposed to in number of assets. And it's, it's definitely a different way of approaching campaign work, but it's been really, really interesting to see. I'll give you one example with a partner. We were on set doing a pretty complicated shoot outdoors and it rained, which is typical because it happened. And so normally in the old world, you would have to postpone the shoot, have an extra day, significant costs, production costs and standing up, you know, extra team fee, all of the things. So we ended up filming and then removing the water after, which is wild to think about right now. But you could, you could change the sky, you could change the fact that the pool didn't have droplets in the water, you could change the lighting and augment it all with generative imagery in a way that never would have. It would have been very, very cost prohibitive before.

[Greg Hillstrom]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, maybe a still in Photoshop or something, but not that.

[Taran Crothers]

Yeah, but not. Yeah. When you're obviously, when you're talking about video as opposed to still, it's exponentially more complicated.

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[Greg Hillstrom]

Want to talk a little bit about measurement as well and so, and accountability. So you know, once a piece of work has been shaped by both humans and AI, kind of what we were talking about here, accountability, you know, can, can sometimes blur, you know, in, in the, in your work with clients. How do you decide, you know, is it, is this our idea? Is this AI, you know, where, where does the ownership kind of come into that?

[Taran Crothers]

Yeah, so we're always very, very careful with where number one, we're ideating the information we put into a system, making sure that it's a closed system and then from a generative standpoint as well, only using tools for our partners, where it's not learning off of other models. Right. And so ultimately as an agency, you're responsible for the input and the output and you know, I'm damnification because of that. So it's something that we take incredibly seriously for partners. And as a result, you know, we are confident that number one, the ideas that we're inputting are ideas from our creative team. The research, the thinking, of course, all of that could be supplemented with, you know, AI tools. But the actual writing and the output is from our creative team and then the same from a generation standpoint as well. Right. So whatever those prompts are, we have pretty complicated systems now that are tracking all of the prompts, making sure that we own those and again that it's in this kind of offline, closed loop system.

[Greg Hillstrom]

Yeah. And I think that's an area where things have come a long way in a couple years. I know at the very beginning, you know, ChatGPT just comes out and stuff like that. There's so much talk about IP and all that. I mean, it's not to your point. It's not that it's not a concern and that agencies and brands shouldn't be paying attention to it, but it seems like there's a lot more protections in place and a lot more platforms that are kind of managing that part of it. Right.

[Taran Crothers]

Yeah. And look, I think every agency has a different approach for us. Specifically, we write AI addendums with our partners to make sure that before we go into a partnership, we're all on the same page, where the comfort levels are, where we can push, where we can. And I highly recommend that every agency and client relationships starts there talking about where their comfort is, what they're interested in, what tools they can use. We have everything documented and that way at, at the end of the day, everyone is really clear with what we can and can't use to get the best output.

[Greg Hillstrom]

Yeah, yeah. Does it change anything as far as are there obviously a marketing campaign is going to get measured on marketing results, you know, at the end of the day, What. Whatever those KPIs are. But are there other measurements as far as maybe even going back to the efficiency, like, you know, how else are you measuring how AI is positively impacting the work?

[Taran Crothers]

Yeah. So from an internal standpoint, I think about quality of our team's time. Right. And so we have. It's a moniker that I say to the team all the time. But how do we identify the tasks that suck, the things that don't give them energy, that don't make them want to show up every day? And how do we automate those with tools and systems so they can spend the time on things that are going to ultimately fill their bucket, do better work, improve, you know, their resume, their skillset, teach them new tools, all of those things. So there are ways that where you know, as an agency we do time tracking, so it's very easy for me to pull reports and see what percentage of time in different roles and disciplines people are spending on these different things. That information is incredibly valuable. And what used to take an entire department of people to sift through that and make recommendations, now we can use tools like Claude to help us look at those reports and make assessments on. There could be opportunities in this type of a workflow versus that. And so that has been, it's been an internally a really Interesting and helpful turning tool that I think someone a few years ago wouldn't necessarily have access to without investing a lot. And now that the tool has democratized, if you're open to it, there's so much data and so much rewarding and insights that you can get from it. So I'd say that's one on the internal side. Measurement. Yeah. And it's not just providing tools to the team because there are so many tools, but making sure that there are training programs, how they can be using them, and ultimately, you know, enriching their skills. So that's one side, then on the other side on the, on the client partnership side, which I think is equally as important. I think there is a lot of conversation right now around payment model for agency services. Right. It always historically was time and materials based. Well, now what is the value of your time? Right. And there's this amazing quote that I learned a few months ago and now have been saying to everyone or someone asked a creative director, how long did it take you to make that? And they said, well, 30 seconds and 30 years.

[Greg Hillstrom]

Yeah, right.

[Taran Crothers]

Yeah, 30 seconds because I prompted, but 30 years because of all of the nuance that I learned about photography and, you know, everything else that went into being able to be a good prompt writer. And so I think that is really where the challenges for agencies, brands, procurement teams to navigate. How are we valuing the legacy of the kind of human capital that's inputting into those prompts? So I'm seeing now a lot more scopes that are negotiated with a combination of upside or deliverables based instead of only time and materials based. So I think it will be always is the work effective? That's baseline. Right. Of course the work has to be effective, but also how are we, you know, doing more, better work in different ways?

[Greg Hillstrom]

Yeah, I mean, I would imagine the tokenomics conversation also comes up as well, you know.

[Taran Crothers]

Absolutely.

[Greg Hillstrom]

Because, you know, I, I see enough of these agency conversations where, to your point, you know, yes, it takes less time to create a specific deliverable. But infrastructure and all of you know, not to mention again, the token thing. Yeah, token costs will go down, but there's still.

[Taran Crothers]

Yeah. You know what's interesting? So it does potentially take less time depending on the workflow. However, because you can now make infinite changes, I'm finding that things are not necessarily moving faster because partners have the ability to tweak an outfit or a visual to remove rain. So the limit to what you could change in post production previously was pretty finite. Now there's an unlimited amount of changes that you can make. And each one of those changes impacts the entire workflow and it's kind of cyclical and you have to start over again. So it really, it has become, I think, a really great learning both on both sides, client side as well as agency side, on how to navigate through this new normal.

[Greg Hillstrom]

Well, and I think maybe that means, I feel like we're turning the. We're maybe at stage two of this whole evolution. You know, stage one was, wow, I can do things much quicker and is it better? You know, it's written by AI so it sounds weird or whatever. You know, we have to take time to like edit and make it, whatever. Now we're to your point, making it, making better stuff. Right. And yes, part of it is accelerated, but overall it's better sometimes. Maybe there's more variation and stuff too,

[Taran Crothers]

but personalization at scale.

[Greg Hillstrom]

Yeah, yeah.

[Taran Crothers]

You know, assets that can speak to you, that can be customized. Yeah, I think there's a lot there. That's exciting.

[Greg Hillstrom]

Yeah, love it. Well, Taran, thanks so much for joining. Got two last questions for you before we wrap up here. First, you know, we're here at AI4. What's been a highlight so far?

[Taran Crothers]

Well, first of all, the scale of what is happening here. This is my first AI4, so I didn't expect how massive it was and how many different topics I would learn from all of the different sessions that I've gone to. I've taken so much away from it and even I was just walking around some of the booths and seeing everything. So it's been really fun, I think, just to see the breadth of how the technology is changing every facet of our industry. So that's just exciting that quite often we're in the day to day and it's. It's nice to pick your head up and, and see all that's going on. So that's been, that's been really fun.

[Greg Hillstrom]

Y. Love it. And last question for you. What do you do to stay agile in your role and how do you find a way to do it consistently?

[Taran Crothers]

Staying agile? I'm an entrepreneur at heart, so to me, testing and learning in small wins or small losses, by the way, that's, that's kind of my love language. I think you get to a such a better place by doing that. And the blocking time, it's such a simple hack, but I have an hour block every day where I try to try, I try to use that time specifically to do something new, whether it's try a new tool think about a different process, build an agent, whatever it is. So for me, that's a hack. I'm not always. I don't always follow my rule, but for the most part I really try to dedicate that time.

[Greg Hillstrom]

Love it. Well, again, I'd like to thank Taran Crothers, CEO at Bix Spaceship for joining the show. You can learn more about Taran and binkspaceship by following the links in the show notes and thanks again to AI4 for a great show this year and giving us space to record.

[Greg Kilstrom]

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