Why Graphic Design Job Listings Still Get Filled and What Designers Get Wrong

Summary

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The Angry Designer Podcast

Episode: Why Graphic Design Job Listings Still Get Filled and What Designers Get Wrong

Date: March 24, 2026

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Main Theme

This episode cuts through the noise around the infamous “Frankenstein” graphic design job listings—those overwhelming, catch-all postings that seem to ask for five different roles rolled into one. Massimo (A) and Sean (B) dive into why companies keep creating these impossible job ads, why they get filled anyway, and what designers often get wrong about them. They reveal not only the roots of these listings but also how designers can read between the lines to spot genuine opportunities, rather than dismissing every overloaded posting at face value.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Reality of "Frankenstein" Job Postings

• Frustration with Overloaded Listings:
  Most designers have encountered absurdly long job descriptions demanding expertise in branding, web, motion video, social media, coding, photography, and more—all in one entry-level role.
  • “Every designer has seen these, these Frankenstein job descriptions are asking for, like, five different careers stuffed into one title...” (A, 00:18)
• Ridiculous Examples from the Wild:
  The hosts read and roast real postings, such as one requiring AutoCAD, 3D rendering, shipping, marketing, “proficient with typing,” and answering phones—all for $15/hr and not remote (04:03).

2. Why Companies Write These Listings

Massimo presents three main reasons:

1. Lack of Understanding of Design Roles
   • Many companies (especially outside the design/tech scene) don’t know the difference between graphic design, UX, branding, etc., so they pile it all into a “design” role.
   • “The problem is...design is almost like a catch all for anything visual. So they just lump all these things together...” (A, 09:10)
2. HR Frankensteining Listings
   • HR staff, lacking subject expertise, copy-paste from other job ads, building an unrealistic laundry list of requirements.
   • “They're treating it like it's a buffet plate. No fairness, right? So I want some of this and I want some of this...” (A, 10:11)
3. Trying to Get More Work for Less
   • Some companies deliberately want a full department’s workload for a single salary—sometimes out of ignorance, sometimes out of stinginess or desperation.
   • “Companies want an entire staff, right? With one salary...” (A, 10:30)

3. How the Industry Has Changed

• Explosion of Specializations:
  In the past, only “graphic designers” and “web designers” existed; now, roles like UX, UI, brand strategist, and more are each their own specialization—a change not all employers have kept up with.
  • “It used to be just...that was the role. Then things got crazy. The world went crazy. Digital. And now all of a sudden, it's like all these individual silos, you know, specialized out of graphic design.” (A, 12:11)
• Disconnect Between Job Listings and Actual Roles:
  The laundry list in many ads might represent only a handful of actual expected tasks, with the rest being fluff or misunderstood requirements.

4. Designers’ Missed Opportunities & Mindset Shifts

• Why Do These Listings Still Get Filled?
  Despite being ridiculous, someone always applies—and often, the real job isn’t as overwhelming as the posting suggests.
  • “Somebody is getting that job. And then for all they know, that job isn't what, that whole mile long list? It might only be three or four things on that list.” (A, 15:12)
• Value of Applying Anyway:
  Even “bad” jobs can become valuable learning experiences, offering diverse practice and exposure—often leading to future opportunities and skill-building.
  • “That job...was a great learning experience for me. Like, I literally did a ton of things and I learned how to do this stuff, and it wasn't a lot of money, and it kind of prepared me for later on in life.” (B, 16:42)

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Memorable Quotes & Notable Moments

• AutoCAD-Data-Entry Hybrid for $15/hr:
  “AutoCAD graphic design, shipping data entering, and marketing...and you know how much this was asking? 15 an hour.” (B, 04:12, 05:03)
• On ‘Ninja Rockstar Wizard’ Job Titles:
  “They just weren't able to decide if they wanted a rock star, a ninja or a wizard. So they combined them all together into one role...” (A, 05:37)
• On Ignoring Wish Lists:
  “Ignore the wish list. No, seriously, ignore it because...they list 20 things. But the reality is they're only really caring about three or four of those things.” (A, 17:52)
• Big Takeaway:
  “The biggest mistake designers make is they're rejecting themselves before a company even does.” (A, 24:12)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Timestamp | Topic | |-----------|-------------------------------------------------------------| | 00:00-01:50 | Introduction: What’s wrong with design job listings | | 04:03–06:18 | Read-aloud/roasts of real “Frankenstein” postings | | 08:30–10:31 | Three main reasons behind bad job descriptions | | 12:08–13:36 | History: How roles/specializations have splintered | | 14:01–17:03 | Candidate experience: Burnout and missed opportunities | | 17:38–24:12 | Massimo’s “Four Rules” for reading design job ads |

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Massimo’s Four Rules for Assessing Job Listings

1. Ignore the Full Wish List
   • Only a few of the listed skills really matter; the rest are “buffet plate” add-ons.
2. Look for the Real Job
   • Decode the listing: is it really a social media job with some design, or a design job with some video, etc.?
3. Watch for Red Flags
   • Toxic pay vs. responsibility ratios, “junior” jobs wanting “Pixar” skills, and an overall lack of respect for the design process.
4. Apply Anyway (If You’re Interested)
   • Practice interviewing, learn to ask the right questions, build confidence. You don’t have to take the job if it isn’t right, but don’t self-eliminate.

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Takeaways for Designers

• Don’t Let Overloaded Postings Scare You:
  Much of the job description is HR noise—spot what’s real and what’s wishful thinking.
• Even Messy Jobs Can Be Stepping Stones:
  Early roles that seem beneath you or chaotic can teach valuable, broad skills for your future path.
• Red Flags DO Matter:
  If the job ad signals a devaluing of design or abusive expectations, tread cautiously.
• Don’t Self-Reject:
  Apply first, decide later. The biggest mistake is talking yourself out of opportunities the company might actually want you for.
• Essential Quote:
  “Designers shouldn’t turn their nose up or designers shouldn’t not apply to these positions. The biggest mistake designers make is they're rejecting themselves before a company even does.” (A, 24:12)

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Tone & Style

Candid, humorous, no-nonsense, occasionally profane, and always practical—true to the podcast’s branding of “cutting through the industry bull.” The hosts share real-life anecdotes, poke fun at the worst listings, and insist on honest talk about the messy side of creative careers.

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For Listeners in a Hurry

• Don’t be intimidated by endless laundry-list job ads—decipher what’s really needed.
• Apply for jobs even if you’re not a “unicorn”; the actual role may be more manageable, and interviews are learning experiences.
• Watch for true red flags (unfair pay, disrespect for design), but don’t let perfectionism or cynicism rule your job hunt.
• Remember: Not every chaotic job is a scam—some are the launchpad you need.

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Transcript

[A]

Do you ever read one of those graphic design job postings and feel like you just walked into the wrong career? Graphic designer, needed, Must know branding, UX motion video, social media, web design, marketing. Oh, and HTML and CSS are nice to haves too. And you're staring at this thing thinking, how the hell is one person supposed to do all that? Every designer has seen these, these Frankenstein job descriptions are asking for, like, five different careers stuffed into one title, and yet somehow they're making talented designers feel like they're the ones that are falling short. In this episode of The Angry Designer PodC powered by Wix Studio, we're diving into the rise of the unicorn design job posting and why companies keep asking for a full creative department in one person. But here's the twist. Buried inside of some of these ridiculous job postings are actually some diamonds in the rough. And if you don't know how to spot them, you might just be walking right past an opportunity that everybody else missed. Let's go. So here's the situation.

[B]

Mm.

[A]

Okay. Recently, Yeah. I have been in, you know, kind of investigating on, you know, bringing on a new member of staff. Okay. Right. So, you know, I, I, I do what any good HR person does and I, I go, you know, onto places like LinkedIn and, and I go onto Indeed and Monster and. Right. And I start being like, okay, well, what are these people? What are other people looking for a similar role? What do their job lists look like? Oh, and descriptions have gone insane. What's the matter with people? Like, seriously, Like, I don't know, dude, I was reading this and, and then you made a comment and I'm like, something that we need to talk about.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Because again, obviously, you know, it's, it's natural. I'm going to go, I'm going to see who the competition is. Right. If we're hiring for the same position. Yeah. I don't think I have to worry about it because a lot of this shit that I'm reading is like a mile long.

[B]

Dude, this is great because you're on the other side of the table, which is kind of nice. So. And I know you wouldn't do anything asinine like some of this stuff that we.

[A]

Well, no, no, no, absolutely. It's like, you know, and the thing is, a lot of designers talk about these, these insane job postings, and so I dug into it and I think this is actually a lot of things to cover here, both good and bad. Okay. Because I do want to. Also coming from, you know, the employer standpoint. Right. Because it's just great.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

It's not all negative per se, but. But man, some of the crazy. Like who even knew that people still are asking for Quark Express out there? What? What graphic organization still has Quark files that they're asking people for? Wow.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

It's just a giant list.

[B]

That's a real specific person that you're

[A]

looking for there somebody with Quark. Right. And of course everybody apparently needs to effects. Everybody.

[B]

Oh yeah. You got to have videos of course

[A]

of some sort or another.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But you know, sometimes they ask for after effects, but nothing else final cut or premiere or anything like that.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You know, and then they always throw in HTML and CSS because.

[B]

Right. It's a trap.

[A]

Apparently. Apparently. This is what design.

[B]

That's so funny. Yeah, of course.

[A]

And then photography, they always try to throw in there.

[B]

You got to have some photography.

[A]

I write because this way it kind of gets a whole full round clusterfuck of.

[B]

Of.

[A]

Of experience that we're looking for for this job role. Right. And I love it because sometimes they were like, this is a junior position. Oh, what they expect all Adobe Suites. Okay. Photography, you know, junior position, minimum five years experience.

[B]

Yeah, all five years. Five years. That's what a junior is.

[A]

It's kind of nuts. So yeah. You know, you, you have a doozy there that.

[B]

I've got a big one. Would you please.

[A]

This, this one is. And this was up for design position.

[B]

Yeah, this was a design. I think it's a design position. I have no idea. Okay, I'm going to, I'm going to read this. It's a place. Should I tell? Should I?

[A]

No.

[B]

Okay. I'm not going to say. I'm just going to read the headline. This is what would draw designers in for sure. AutoCAD graphic design, shipping data entering and marketing. The full job description here is AutoCAD 3D rendering, marketing, shipping, bookkeep inside sales Graphic design data entering and this is not a goddamn remote position. You must come in, come in to do all this stuff. Email customers, answer the phone, quoting job items, purchase orders, follow up website updates, shipping, graphic Design, social media, 3D rendering, mailing, sample packages, organize proficient with typing and computer skills. Communicate and work as a team player.

[A]

What kind of job is this?

[B]

And you know how much this was asking? 15 an hour.

[A]

Wow. A whole 15.

[B]

Not only are you doing the auto. AutoCAD stuff, but you're answering phones as well.

[A]

Of course, of course. Because it goes, you know, not to mention the bookkeeping after.

[B]

And the bookkeeping after hours Was that during. During that?

[A]

Well, obviously it's after hours, Sean, because

[B]

you're not going to fit anything, any of this stuff into one day.

[A]

I found one when I milk.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And the title was Graphic Design Ninja Rockstar Wizard.

[B]

Oh, shit.

[A]

I think what happened?

[B]

I must meet this person.

[A]

They just weren't able to decide if they wanted a rock star, a ninja or a wizard. So they combined them all together into one role. Right. And of course, the responsibilities were design all print and digital assets.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Shoot and edit product photos. Oh. Manage TikTok and Instagram Daily content. Okay. Produced, write blog posts, newsletter, run AB tests, bio, build landing pages, maintain the company website and occasionally jump in on sales calls.

[B]

I love that.

[A]

Why that one? Anyway, must design, code, strategy and own the brand with minimal direction. And then this is the best part. Ready?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Ability to not be precious about your work required. Who puts that in a job? Wow.

[B]

Which means somebody's gonna shit all over everything you do.

[A]

Dude, it is insane. The stuff that I was reading. Right? And again you start digging into Reddit and this. Everybody is seeing the same stuff, right? And now a word from our sponsor. Designers. Let's be honest, Web design should be a graphic designer's job. It's bold, it's creative, it's experimental, and at its core, it is design. Layout just brought to life on the. But somewhere along the way, graphic designers lost it. Developers took over, tools got complicated, and creativity took a backseat to code. Thing is, clients still expect us to bring their brand to life everywhere. And if we're not offering web design today, you're leaving money and potential opportunities on the table. That's where WIX Studio comes in. It's the web page platform built for designers with a drag and drop interface that feels like a designer's tool. Plus no code, animations and AI powered tools. You can create fully custom websites that match your vision. Every pixel, every layout, every detail. So whether it's a simple branded brochure site or an online portfolio, or even a full blown e commerce experience, Wix Studio makes it all possible for graphic designers with tools that think like a designer, not like a developer. The web doesn't need more templates. It needs you and your creativity unleashed. And Wick Studio is going to give you that opportunity. So stop giving your creativity away and take back the web for designers. Visit wixstudio.com and design the web the way it was meant to be. Going through this process from the business, I have a couple theories why I think, you know, some of these have gone a little Crazy, right? And there's like, you know, I think there's three problems here. Okay. And, and you know, why these things get made. You know, problem number one, in all fairness, companies don't understand design roles. I think.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And you know, depending on what the company is really, you know, they start departing from like, you know, what, what their knowledge is. Startups, you know, something young in the tech field, okay. They have an idea, they get, they get it, okay. They understand, you know, maybe what UX and UX is, you know, how that's tied to graphic design. But you get like a thermal foil company, you know, in, in the middle of, but nowhere looking for somebody, they, they might think it's just somebody to go in and, and I don't know, create proposals and create templates and put together PowerPoint. So you know, they don't. The problem is in situations with companies like this is design is almost like a catch all for anything visual. Okay.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So they just lump all these things together that they think represent design to what they know design is being. Right. But the thing is they genuinely don't know the difference between, you know, ux, graphic design, branding, you know, even web design. They just kind of lump it all under. So I think that's problem number one. Why we see this a lot.

[B]

That makes sense that a little bit, right?

[A]

So, so it might not be so ill intentioned. Okay. Number two, okay, HR is a disaster often. And what they're doing is very similar to the shit that I did, right. They go online, they start looking for other positions similar to this, right? And they start frankensteining different design rules or descriptions.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And they're frank because they read it from one ad. They're like, oh, that sounds good. They grab, I want that. Then they go to another ad and

[B]

they're like, oh, oh, that's good too.

[A]

We need that too. That sounds great. And they start, you know, like combining all these ads into just this mess of, of a description. It's a catch all.

[B]

It really is, right?

[A]

And so like, you know, they're treating it like it's a buffet plate. No fairness, right? So I want some of this and I want some of this, right? So I think, you know, that's, I think that is another problem. And then problem number three, unfortunately this is when companies want an entire staff, right? With one salary.

[B]

With one salary.

[A]

And this one's kind of shady. So like I said the first two maybe not so intentional, right? Maybe purely because of ignorance. But this one I think is, you know, I think this happens A lot. And this is kind of the shitty side.

[B]

I've had experience with the third. Yes, exactly. When I was a marketing coordinator at a company, I did everything. Everything as should a marketing marketing coordinator. Times were tough. It was after. It was 2009, after everything went to. After that. The economy, the housing bubble, crisis, whatever. But anyway, I went in for my. My two year. Or it was a yearly, you know, like a check in a review. Yeah, a review. And I was saying I was doing all this stuff and it was just like. Like knowing full well I wanted to get the. Out of there. I was like, just give me a title of graphic designer. That's all I want.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And they would. They were like, well, we can't really give you the graphic designer title. And the reason was, when I found this out later was because it requires a salary bump.

[A]

No.

[B]

Yes. So I was doing all this stuff, like photography.

[A]

Doing it.

[B]

Anyway, I was printing. I was printing brochures. Like, I was literally putting them together for trade shows.

[A]

Just they didn't want to pay, but

[B]

they just didn't want to pay me.

[A]

I think that there's even a bigger problem here that we're just not even mentioning. Okay. And I think a lot of people don't, you know, they're blaming everybody now. But if you go back 15 years ago, okay, there was two kinds of designers. There was a graphic designer.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And there's a web designer. Yeah. That's it. It was easy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Graphic designers did ux.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

They did ui. You know, they would do wireframes. They would do print and digital and this. That's what graphic designers did.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And web designers did anything online. They would do the css, the code, they would manage the website often. Right. Fortunately, they were also often part of the IT department. But that's a whole other story. Altog. So, you know, it used to be just. That was the role. Yeah. Then things got crazy. The world went crazy. Digital. And now all of a sudden, it's like all these individual silos, you know, specialized out of graphic design. Right. Because now you got ux ui.

[B]

That's a whole thing. Yeah.

[A]

It doesn't mean the graphic designers can't do that. God knows we do that here internally. Okay. God knows we've had graphic designers leave to specialize in freaking ux. Then you got, you know, all of a sudden print people just to do this brand str. Strategists. So much has stemmed out of that graphic designer role. Okay, we understand. Okay. We've lived it. We've seen this change. But the world doesn't understand, in all fairness, again, they. It's not their fault that design became so complex, you know, in all fairness. And then you throw in social media in there and then brand systems and. And presentations and this and that. It's just like, where do graphic designers stop? From a company perspective.

[B]

Right, right.

[A]

And the bigger the company oftentimes, the harder it is to understand.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Big time. You know, I think for a lot of these places, regardless what the reasons, whether it's the industry pacing or whatever, I can see how it can be frustrating.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

No doubt. For everybody else who's looking at these jobs, because, I mean, people are like, you know, well, they're out of work, maybe they're looking to change and they see this list of, like, expectations, you know, you can't.

[B]

Frightening.

[A]

You can't tell me. Yeah. That. That doesn't play out with burnout or anything.

[B]

Big time. Yeah. And I remember seeing job postings and stuff like that that had a million things, and I had a lot of that stuff because of the fucking marketing coordinator position. So I would go and I would. I would interview for these things. Yep, I've done that. Yes. I can do this. Yeah, I have done this. And then still never fucking hear back from them.

[A]

Oh, no way.

[B]

Right, Exactly.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

There's a lot. I think it kind of frightens them. Frightens them because they're like, oh, my God, this guy had it all. That means he's gonna come for a lot of money, so let's not hire him.

[A]

Can you imagine what that would be like? Because it's just like, I checked all those boxes. What else do they want? At the very least, though, you know, you were not just sitting there mocking these things. Right. I mean, no looking at it. I mean, it must be frustrating. And it is kind of fun to read Reddit. Tear the shit apart.

[B]

It is, yes.

[A]

But the thing is, you know, a lot of times people aren't even applying for this. They're mocking these ads they're posting, they're bitching about them. Right. And again, just like you said, you know, the lists are giant, but then the list seem to keep changing.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And then all of a sudden, it's like, you know, they don't even bother applying for. Yeah, but somebody does.

[B]

Somebody does.

[A]

And here's the thing. So if that person, then somebody, whether it's somebody without experience, you know, or somebody who has. No, regardless, their, Their. Their pool is getting smaller and smaller and smaller.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So then they're going to have to Pick from their smaller, smaller pool. Okay. Somebody is getting that job. And then for all they know, that job isn't what, that whole mile long list? It might only be three or four things on that list.

[B]

This is probably the case. Right?

[A]

Yeah, right, exactly. And, and you know, for those people, they're the ones who are getting the job. They're the ones who are getting the experience in the job.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You know, and they're not. They didn't check all the initial boxes and maybe as the position grows, they end up up doing some more photography. They end up kind of, you know, it grows. Maybe they hire underneath them. But the thing is, somebody still applied for that job.

[B]

This is true.

[A]

Somebody got that job. And I think this is what designers often forget.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Okay. That is just like, just because the, the job asks for 20 different things and it sounds unrealistic and it is completely unrealistic because most of the time people can't do that. We could do most of those things.

[B]

That's true.

[A]

You know, mind you, I'm not looking for a 15 an hour job to do 50 things. But the reality, I mean, some of these jobs are actually paying better than that. Sure they are. I'm sure they are.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But again, somebody's getting those jobs, somebody's applying, they're getting those jobs, and then all of a sudden they're growing those jobs, they're getting the experience, they're getting paid, and then they're moving on.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I think the problem here is that how many people are turning their nose up or away from those jobs?

[B]

And that's exactly it. You know, the funny thing is, is like that job that I just, that I explained or talked about was a good, great learning experience for me. Like, I literally did a ton of things and I learned how to do this stuff, and it wasn't a lot of money, and it kind of prepared me for later on in life. You know what I mean?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So if I never, you know, if I never applied for it, I wouldn't

[A]

even have even got that.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

So I think that's the thing. I don't think designers should actually turn their nose away.

[B]

I don't think so.

[A]

Especially if you're looking for a job or you're looking for a change.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Some of these could be a good challenge. Some of them are definitely going to be holes. There's no question. Right. It's our job to figure that out. But instead of turning them around, you just, you're just reading them completely wrong. Okay. In all fairness. Right. And so, you know, I think you know how designers should read these things. Okay, I got like four rules here.

[B]

Oh, good.

[A]

That I think, because again, coming from my side, I'm seeing where these jobs are coming, how they're getting made. They're not always ill intentioned. Sometimes they are, but not always. Okay, so you know, four rules.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Very simple.

[B]

Good.

[A]

Rule number one.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Okay. Ignore the wish list. No, seriously, ignore it because, okay, they list 20 things. Okay. But the reality is they're only really caring about three or four of those things. Okay. That wish list is a buffet. They keep adding that on top.

[B]

But nice to haves. Yep.

[A]

But it doesn't necessarily mean that that's what they need to accomplish the job. Right. And again, if that pool gets smaller and smaller and smaller.

[B]

Right, right.

[A]

They're going to start looking for people in the main parts that they need and then maybe they'll turn the cheek or whatever on some of the other parts.

[B]

Right, right.

[A]

So everything else is just a bonus that you have on that. Okay. So, you know, number one, you have to believe that that's, that's not legitimately what they're looking for. Good.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Rule number two. Okay. Look for the real job inside that whole job description. Okay. And again, because people don't often realize that, you know, they put a list, okay. Of what it is that they're looking for, but you need to kind of almost figure out what it is that they're actually. The title is. Right. Is it a social media person that they need?

[B]

Right, right.

[A]

And they want somebody to own that position. And in social media, as far as they know, it's somebody who knows how to do graphic design, somebody who knows how to, you know, do video, knows how to actually post stuff. Right. But they list them all separately.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You take that list and you put it out, it looks huge, it looks scary and daunting. But, you know, ultimately, you know, we know how to do these with just, you know, hack hacker tools online, everywhere. Exact. You can easily step into this type of job. Okay. If you're not scared of that giant list. Yes. So I think half the time you just got to look past that list and see what the job actually is that they're looking for. Okay.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That'll tell you what they need. And then you can decide if this. Then just like you do, you can go in, inform, educate, ask a little bit more about the job.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But you know, the reality is there's something deeper there that they need. They don't just need somebody to do all these Separate, individual, unrelated, unconnected tasks.

[B]

Absolutely, yes.

[A]

You know, and you know, and I hate to say this, but I could go pretty much to the back here, you know, in the bullpen. And I bet you almost every one of our designers could do after effects, could do layout, design, understands print if they had to, could take some simple pictures, clip them if they needed to. You know, and it's not saying that that's the expectations and the pressure, but if the environment was a cool pace and you got to touch all those things, yes, it would make for a pretty fun environment. Every day would be different. I. I used to love that early days.

[B]

I did too, at my marketing coordinator coordinator position. Yeah. My boss is like, we need to get into photography. We need to start taking pictures of this stuff. I'm like, okay, cool. So, right, go out, buy a camera and then start. And this is the days before the Internet was the Internet. So it was kind of like, okay, I'm just learning how to take a picture. Does that look good? No, let's change the f stops and all. This kind of business. Business, you know, it's just like experimenting and, and learning how to do this kind of stuff was awesome. It was a great experience.

[A]

I think so. And from my experiences doing this.

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Yeah.

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You know, the reason why I wanted a full service agency is because I wanted to do that. So many different parts business.

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Right. And there's so many parts of this business.

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Exactly. Yeah. Apparently so. Right. Hey, but it's not to say that we don't do 3D renders here in Blender. Okay. We do.

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We.

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Absolutely.

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Totally.

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Totally random. Yeah. It's just, it's. Sometimes it's better than actually doing a photo shoot.

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Yes. Yes.

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Okay. Rule number three. Absolutely. Watch for red flags.

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Oh, there you go. Yes.

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100%.

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Yes.

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I'm not saying that they're all great because they're not.

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Yes.

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Okay. There's a good chance, you know, posting a mess, you know, can tell you a lot about the company, right? How they value designers, maybe how they value design in general. If it's. If it's a sweatshop, if it's just, you know, knights and Wiegands. But I mean, that goes without saying for any job job. Okay. Agencies are like this. Sometimes you can get toxic environments even in the most perfect looking, you know, tech startup company.

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Yep.

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Okay. So these red flags apply everywhere. Okay. Making sure that the salaries match, the responsibilities. Okay. Understand what, you know, the expectations are. You know, make sure that they're not saying it's a junior role, but they expect freaking Pixar, you know, elegance, quality. Right. Like, seriously. Right. Sometimes the job post is ignorant. Okay? Like I said. And maybe they don't know and it's just a checklist, but sometimes, you know, the place itself doesn't give a shit for the design, you know, design in general. So, you know, watch those red flags.

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Yes. Big time.

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And rule number four, you know, and I shouldn't have to say this, but apply anyway.

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Yes.

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If you're looking for.

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Right.

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You don't have to take it.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Give you the job.

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Yeah.

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And you want to talk to them and you actually get the offer. You don't have to say yes. Yes.

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Okay.

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But so many advantages here. You know, you get better at interviews, you get better at sussing out, you know, what it is that they're looking for. Okay. You get more confidence. Imagine the confidence that you'd have turning down a job. Yeah. Okay. Being like, no, you know what?

[B]

This sounds right for me.

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It's not right. It's a scam. It's a sham. I don't want this. Right.

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You're absolutely right. You go in and I say this to my wife when she's out looking for jobs. I'm like, this. You know, this is going to be just a practice experience. Experience for you. That's. And that's fine. If that's what it is. You get to go out and talk to another designer.

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Yeah. Yes.

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This is. This is how it is, or what it is a company is looking for. You know, a lot of times I would do that just to, you know, just to kind of sharpen the blade a little bit.

[A]

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. I get that. I totally get that. You know, it's. Again, you know, this is not necessarily a real, you know, job that they have fleshed out sometimes.

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It's just.

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It could just be a wish list. And when you see those lists, like we read, it is just a wish.

[B]

That is totally a wish list. There's no way. Anybody. I don't.

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So if you have the right environment to do this under.

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Yeah.

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I mean, like, it could be a gold mine, I guess. You know what I'm saying is that I think, you know, instead of designers. Fun to rip these apart. Fun to laugh at them. Absolutely. Okay. But designers shouldn't turn their nose up or designers shouldn't not apply to these positions.

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Okay.

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Because I think the biggest mistake designers make. Okay. Is they're rejecting themselves before a company even does. Wow. Okay. Well, guys, I hope you like this. Don't forget to check out our our Instagram and leave comments on YouTube and, and hit us up and, and say hi and leave us notes and do

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all the great thing because the newsletter.

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And the newsletter. And don't forget to sign up for anger management for designers. The newsletter, it's in the social post and website, all that other fun stuff.

[B]

Sweet. Yes.

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All right, everybody.

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Nice.

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My name is Massimo.

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My name is Sean.

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Stay creative and stay angry. It.