What if burnout isn’t something you fix with better habits, but something built into the way we work? In this episode, I’m bringing back one of my favorite conversations because it gets at something I think we still don’t talk about enough. I talk with Rita McGrath, Poornima Luthra & Andrew Barnes about what actually makes work feel sustainable and human, why getting people back into the office doesn’t fix anything, how lack of control and fairness quietly drive stress, and why so many well-intentioned solutions miss the mark. Get ready to rethink burnout and see what actually needs to change at work.

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In this Episode, You Will Learn

00:00 What’s the problem with scaling workplaces and losing humanity?

04:45 Ways to build a stronger team connection.

07:15 What actually defines a “good job”?

09:15 Why perks don’t fix mental health at work.

13:00 What the 4-day workweek reveals about productivity.

17:45 Why time matters more than money for employees

22:30 How bias and inequity increase stress at work.

25:15 Why inclusion improves mental health and performance.

32:00 How better listening improves team culture.

37:30 How leaders can reduce uncertainty for their teams.

42:30 Why inclusive cultures create more resilient organizations.

44:15 Leadership habits that improve team wellbeing.

48:03 The leadership shift that changes how work feels.

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