Stacey Abrams is probably best-known as a politician and political organizer; she the first Black woman in U.S. history to become the gubernatorial nominee of a major political party. Abrams has launched multiple nonprofit organizations and for-profit companies, with a longstanding focus on voter registration and voters’ rights.

What you might not know is that Abrams has published 17 books in the last 25 years, including thrillers, romance novels, children’s books, memoir, and more. She started writing novels while in law school, and her new book is the thriller “Coded Justice,” which is about a topic on everyone’s minds these days: AI.

Abrams was interviewed by the host of OPB’s Think Out Loud, Dave Miller, at the book festival. They discuss her early choice to use a pen name (Selena Montgomery) and the importance of community and having a team. Their warm, wide-ranging conversation reveals Abrams’s deep curiosity and immense intellect. One thing that really struck me is when Abrams talks about the relationship between her author life and her political life; she says, “Good policy is storytelling.”

Stacey Abrams is a New York Times bestselling author, entrepreneur, and political leader. She served as Minority Leader in the Georgia House of Representatives, and she was the first black woman to become gubernatorial nominee for a major party in United States history. Abrams has launched multiple nonprofit organizations devoted to democracy protection, voting rights, and effective public policy. She has also cofounded successful companies, including a financial services firm, an energy and infrastructure consulting firm, and the media company, Sage Works Productions, Inc. Abrams’s latest novel is titled Coded Justice.

Dave Miller is the host of Oregon Public Broadcasting’s daily talk show, “Think Out Loud.” Before coming to OPB, Dave was the senior producer of “Open Source,” a nationally syndicated radio show based at the NPR affiliate station WGBH in Boston. He began his radio career as a documentary producer at Sound Portraits Productions and StoryCorps. From 2008 to 2011, he worked as the online host of the show. His stories have aired on NPR’s “All Things Considered,” “Morning Edition” and “Weekend Edition Saturday.” Dave graduated from Harvard University with a degree in English.