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Most Americans fear that AI is about to cause widespread job losses, so Matt Yglesias and Jerusalem Demsas brought in their first-ever guest, Timothy B. Lee of the Understanding AI newsletter, to break it all down. Matt thinks a white-collar wipeout is coming. Jerusalem and Tim think we've got enough time to adapt.

Plus, a peer review on a new paper about the effects of mixed-use zoning.

(00:00) Our first guest: Tim Lee on AI and jobs
(02:27) Matt's case for the white-collar wipeout
(05:43) Jobs are bundles of tasks
(08:26) The O-ring theory: why one human still matters
(18:02) Tim's answer: it's all about timescales
(21:27) Chess, Starbucks, and the human preference problem
(24:28) The protectionism scramble: gas pumps and self-driving trucks
(30:47) The "canaries in the coal mine" study on young workers
(38:45) Channeling 2015 Matt: just run a hotter economy
(49:30) Peer review: What's actually wrong with zoning?

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