Giannis Traded to the Heat EMERGENCY POD

Summary

The Athletic NBA Daily – "Giannis Traded to the Heat EMERGENCY POD" (June 23, 2026)

Main Theme & Purpose

This emergency episode of The Athletic NBA Daily reacts in real-time to the blockbuster trade sending Giannis Antetokounmpo to the Miami Heat. Hosts Dave DuFour, Zena Keita, Andrew Schlecht, and Ben (with sporadic mentions of other beat writers) break down the deal’s mechanics, evaluate immediate winners and losers, debate how this shakes up the Eastern Conference, and speculate on what comes next in NBA team-building and trades.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Full Trade Details & Initial Reactions

[02:39]

• The Trade:
  • Miami receives: Giannis Antetokounmpo, Bobby Portis
  • Milwaukee receives: Tyler Herro, Khalil Ware, Jaime Jaquez Jr., Kasparas Jakucionis, 3 First Round Picks (incl. #13 this year), pick swap, second-rounder.
• Dave DuFour: “Our long national nightmare is over.”
• General Reaction: The panel agrees that Miami gave up a lot, but debate quickly erupts over whether it was too much or too little.

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2. Was It a ‘Heist’ or Overpayment for the Heat?

[05:48]

• Ben: “I think this is a heist from the Miami Heat. A highway robbery.”
  • Points out the Heat were unlikely to re-sign Herro; the picks & prospects aren’t slam-dunks.
  • “They just got a player who...finished top five in MVP voting every single season from 2019 to 2025.”
• Andrew Schlecht: “Is any of those guys starters? The number 13 overall pick might be good, but you know who’s a good player? Giannis Antetokounmpo.”
• Zena Keita: Pushes back, raising concern about Miami’s depth post-trade and whether they’re truly title contenders:
  • “If you get a piece like Giannis, do you just want to compete? No, you want to win the whole thing. And so I’m curious as to who is going to be around Giannis that’s going to make him win the whole thing.” [08:22]

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3. The New Heat Roster: Can They Compete for a Title?

[04:57-11:13]

• Remaining Core: Bam Adebayo, Norman Powell, Andrew Wiggins, Davion Mitchell, Chicago imports, other role players (e.g., Jovic, Fontechio).
• Andrew: “I think the Heat are going to have enough to be super competitive...as long as Giannis stays healthy.”
• Concerns:
  • Dave DuFour: “How are they going to build a team [around the cap]?”
  • “Who’s dribbling, who’s shooting. These are two very important things in the NBA.”
  • “You can’t have two non-shooters in the playoffs.”
• On-ball creation and shooting depth are identified as crucial holes.

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4. Evaluating the Bucks’ Haul

[08:09]

• Assets received: “It’s probably those three first round picks, maybe even this year’s number 13.”
• General Consensus: The Bucks didn’t get a blue-chip centerpiece; the package is about future flexibility, not winning now.
• Debate: The panel questions the wisdom of a “tank” approach, especially as Milwaukee doesn’t control all key future picks.

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5. Eastern Conference Landscape & Title Windows

[12:01, 15:09, 16:20]

• Ben: “This is a 4, 5, maybe 3 seed in the Eastern Conference...It’s a better starting point than where the Miami Heat were yesterday.”
• Andrew: “Miami is giving themselves a puncher’s chance here with what they’ve got—and also got a guy who’s theoretically a top five player. Right?”
• Caveats: Uncertainty about Giannis’ health/aging; Miami lacking depth; East could be chaotic and open—not unlike recent Knicks and Pacers runs to the Finals.

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6. Front Office Approaches & Alternate Scenarios

• Dave DuFour: Raises whether trading for Kawhi Leonard or Jaylen Brown would’ve made more sense for Miami, given the cost.
• Ben: Compares Heat and Celtics as suitors; Celtics’ reported offer was Jaylen Brown and two first-round picks.
• Speculation: Jalen Brown trade rumors now at full boil after inclusion in reported Bucks trade talks.

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7. How Long is Giannis’ Window?

[28:49]

• Ben: “How much do you believe in the next X amount of years for Giannis...?”
• Dave DuFour: “Two years? Is that all you’re giving Giannis?”
• Concern: History of injuries, lack of a late-career “jumper” like Dirk, huge looming extension, unclear how he’ll age given playstyle.

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8. Other Major Moves: Brooklyn, Chicago, Minnesota

[30:28-34:57]

• Julius Randle to the Nets, Nick Claxton to the Bulls, IO Dosunmu re-signed by Minnesota (“Huge for them”).
• Analysis: Wolves now lean harder on young wings, may lack playmaking/depth; could be pivoting direction in a loaded West.

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9. Lingering Questions & Draft Implications

[45:23]

• Bucks’ immediate future depends on drafting at #10, #13:
  • “If they whiff on either one of these picks...you’re in for purgatory for a long time in my opinion.” – Andrew Schlecht [45:45]
• Heat must get creative in free agency & on the margins to contend.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Ben [05:48]: “I think this is a heist from the Miami Heat. A highway robbery.”
• Dave DuFour [10:50]: “Who’s dribbling, who’s shooting. These are two very important things in the NBA.”
• Andrew Schlecht [17:25]: “This may end up crashing and burning in Miami and not working. That is a sincere possibility.”
• Zena Keita [08:48]: “If you get a piece like Giannis, do you just want to compete? No, you want to win the whole thing.”
• Ben [41:01]: “That’s why I’m saying it’s a big bet on Giannis...If you do, you like this trade for Miami. If you don’t, you don’t.”
• Zena Keita [41:25]: “We don’t know how this puts Giannis or the Miami Heat in a position to win a title, which is why you believe you would make a trade like this.”
• Dave DuFour [43:28]: “I think it’s a bad trade for Milwaukee. And to me, it’s kind of a meh trade for the Heat, which I understand sounds crazy because it’s Giannis.”

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Key Timestamps

• 02:39 – Full details of the Giannis-Heat-Bucks trade breakdown
• 05:48 – “Heist or overpay?”: Miami’s win and Milwaukee’s loss
• 08:48 – Zena’s title-or-bust perspective for Miami
• 10:50 – Concerns about Miami’s ball-handling & shooting
• 16:20 – “Puncher’s chance”: Are Heat contenders?
• 28:49 – Giannis’ health and how long his window really is
• 30:28 – Other league trades: Randle, Claxton, IO Dosunmu
• 41:01 – Trade as a referendum on Giannis’ future value
• 45:23 – Bucks’ draft outlook: “Have to nail these picks”

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Overall Takeaways

• Miami Heat: Get a megastar and stay relevant but are not instantly favorites; now under pressure to creatively plug many depth and shooting gaps with a hard-capped, top-heavy roster.
• Milwaukee Bucks: Accept a modest return, bet everything on rebuilding via the draft, and walk away from over a half-decade of contention.
• Giannis: Changes conferences, inherits a team with a strong culture but major roster questions, big health/contract concerns.
• NBA Landscape: The Eastern Conference remains wide open, with several teams hoping to punch up amid chaos. Looming: more trades (notably for Jalen Brown), pivotal free agency, and a critical draft night for retooling franchises.

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Tone and Highlights

• The discussion was spirited, blending analytical breakdowns, open skepticism, and jokes about NBA soap-opera drama.
• Multiple hosts shifted positions throughout, openly acknowledging the complexity and nuance of reacting to such a seismic deal in real-time.

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Bottom Line:
The Heat got the best player, but questions abound about whether they’ve vaulted into the true contender tier or bet the farm for a slightly better outlook. For Milwaukee, it’s a necessary but uninspiring reset. The hosts agree the move shakes up both the league and the offseason, teeing up an eventful draft and high-stakes summer.

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[Dave Dufour]

Hello and welcome to a special emergency. Giannis just got traded edition of the NBA Daily. I'm Dave Dufour here with Zena Keda Esperahenny, Andrew Schlect I'm a little too tall for this border. On this, on this stool I've got. I'm gonna slouch a little bit. So I'm on the screen.

[Andrew Schlect]

Not afraid.

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[Andrew Schlect]

Not a phrase you get to say a lot.

[Dave Dufour]

Dave that's right. That's right. At five, nine, not often. All right, the trade guys. Here we go. Finally, Giannis has been traded. Our long national nightmare is over. The Milwaukee Bucks are sending Giannis and Bobby Portis to the Miami Heat for Tyler Herro, Khalil ware, Jaime Hakiz Jr, Kasparas Yakosonas. Three first round picks, including this year's number 13 pick, a pick swap, and a second rounder. That feels like a lot. That's a.

[Ben]

That feels like a lot of stuff from the Miami Heat. By the way, just. Just a quick joke. I will say Eric name. Rest now, brother. You're good.

[Dave Dufour]

You're one over. The watch is over legitimately. Since I got to this company seven years ago, Eric Naim and I have been podcasting about Giannis potentially being traded. It honestly doesn't feel fair that he's not here with me right now. And I mean fair in the work department. Like, you know, I know he's sitting there writing somewhere, but this has been a long time coming. This trade in particular feels like it's been a long time coming. My initial reaction is that it's a lot and I'm. It's because I'm looking at what the Miami Heat gave up and I'm trying to figure out with the limited cap space that they've got, because remember, now they're hard capped because of this, this trade.

[Zena Keda]

Yep.

[Dave Dufour]

How are they going to build a team?

[Andrew Schlect]

I think they have a team.

[Ben]

I think they have a team as well. Andrew. I agree.

[Andrew Schlect]

I don't. I don't think. I mean, yes, it feels like they gave up a lot of depth here.

[Zena Keda]

Here.

[Andrew Schlect]

When you have Giannis and Bam Adebayo, those are two of the best players in the Eastern Conference. You and I would. I will say they have other guys that maybe people aren't remembering. Norman Powell is still on this team. Norman Powell, if he's your third best player in the Eastern Conference, you're not in a horrific spot. You're really not. I think that the Heat are going to have enough to be super competitive as long. And really the biggest caveat is can they stay healthy? Can Giannis stay healthy? And maybe Giannis will be healthy now that he's in a winning situation. Maybe that, that south beach sun will just automatically just heal his body.

[Dave Dufour]

And what's the smoothie situation like down there?

[Andrew Schlect]

Oh, so many smoothies down there. It's going to be delicious. I honestly think that the Heat are okay. I think that, yes, they gave up a lot of depth, but like, still have Davion Mitchell. I think Pele Larson's a really good player. I think somebody Pantechchio is like a guy that if he's your ninth guy, that's not the worst thing in the world. Jovic, I like there's still guys on this roster left. They did give up a lot, but, like keeping Bam. I mean, Andrew Wiggins is on this team. They have guys. They're going to have like enough guys to compete. I mean, we look at even some of the guys that played in the finals for the Knicks. I don't think that if we sat here last summer that like, some of the guys that played in the finals for the Knicks would be like, oh, those are definitely finals players. I think the Heat have some guys here.

[Ben]

I think this is a heist from the Miami Heat. A highway robbery.

[Andrew Schlect]

Let's go, let's go.

[Dave Dufour]

You guys are crazy.

[Ben]

Tyler hero is an expiring contract that they probably.

[Zena Keda]

It's a heist for the Miami Heat.

[Dave Dufour]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schlect]

To get Yanis.

[Dave Dufour]

Yeah. You know, we're on the same page.

[Zena Keda]

Yeah. No, I'm not with you.

[Dave Dufour]

Okay, so.

[Ben]

So let me lock in with my brother Andrew select over here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is an absolute robbery. And I'm not one to cape for the Miami Heat, but I think they just got a player who from 2019 to 2025 finished top five in MVP voting every single season. He's averaged 30, 10 and 5 whenever he's been healthy. Now, I know, look, injury concerns, etc. That is totally fair, but they were not going to resign Tyler Herron, so that was a guy that they had to trade. Khalil Ware, Hame Hawkez, Yakos. Very intriguing prospects. No one that makes you want to jump over the table and say, I am taking this deal.

[Andrew Schlect]

Yeah. Any of those guys starters?

[Ben]

Maybe. The. The number 13 overall pick might be a good player. You know who is a good player? Giannis Antonokounmpo.

[Andrew Schlect]

Bobby Portis, too.

[Dave Dufour]

Who's in the deal?

[Andrew Schlect]

Bobby Portis is in the deal, too. We didn't mention Portis. Who complained?

[Ben]

Yeah, exactly. And get Bobby Portis. And honestly, like the whole picks conversation, they gave up two unprotected picks in 2031 and 2033 along with a pick swap. The Miami Heat don't tank.

[Dave Dufour]

I also think pick value is out the window at this point because of the lottery reform. I don't know what they mean, but

[Andrew Schlect]

then it will be. By then this. This current lottery reform will be dead. We just don't know.

[Ben]

It might Be something else. And, and by the way, I'm not even saying I'm that high on the Miami Heat as they are currently constructed, but from a pure trade perspective, getting

[Dave Dufour]

Giannis, they got the highest value piece

[Andrew Schlect]

and it's not anywhere close.

[Dave Dufour]

Right.

[Andrew Schlect]

There's. I mean, what is the best thing that the Bucks got? I mean, like, we're talking about trading one of. I mean, we're talking about trading their best franchise player ever.

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[Andrew Schlect]

What's the best thing they got in the trade?

[Dave Dufour]

It's probably those three first round picks, maybe even this year's number 13, the

[Andrew Schlect]

13th pick is the best thing you got for Giannis.

[Dave Dufour]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schlect]

Give me a break. Heist.

[Zena Keda]

Okay.

[Andrew Schlect]

Heist.

[Zena Keda]

This is my question, though. This is my question. I just want to say. I just want to say this. Okay. I heard you, Andrew, say they're going to be competitive.

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Yeah.

[Zena Keda]

They're going to compete. You know who competed? The Houston Rockets.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Zena Keda]

And they competed for several years and they have not gotten past where they should be when they have the likes of a Kevin Durant.

[Ben]

Listen, James Harden tried.

[Zena Keda]

Hold on, hold on now, hold on.

[Andrew Schlect]

Sometimes he tried.

[Zena Keda]

We want to. If you get a piece like Giannis, do you just want to compete? No, you want to win the whole thing. And so I'm curious as to who is going to be around Giannis that's going to make him win the whole thing. And here's the thing. I agree with you. I think those starters, solid. Andrew Wiggins, a champion. Norman Powell, absolute born shooter, like, score for them that they absolutely can count on. Bim out of bio. We saw the 83 points. Like, we know that this team has players in their core, but we also know that without depth. Without depth, you're not going to go too much further. And I'm just wondering, Giannis wants to go win, not compete. Like, so what I'm curious about this roster now.

[Andrew Schlect]

I don't know what situation he could go to. I mean, I guess you could talk about the Celtics, but we just actually saw the Celtics flame out.

[Dave Dufour]

Sure.

[Andrew Schlect]

Like pretty quick with the current roster they have. So, like you, you could make the argument. And I just think that some of our brains are kind of mixed up with the way we think about the Celtics team. That Celtics team is not the Celtics team from two years ago.

[Dave Dufour]

Right.

[Andrew Schlect]

Three years ago. It's not that team. They're much, much different. They would have to change a lot in order to get Giannis and be like the top of the East. I don't think that you can acquire Giannis at this point, with the amount of money that he makes and really the amount of draft capital and everything you have to give up and be like the best team in the NBA or even the best team in the East. I don't think it's possible. I don't think there was a team that had the capability of doing those two things. I just know this Miami Heat team is much better run than the Bucks and they're going to be much better than the Milwaukee Bucks. And like, we're going to see a. Like, I'm. I was just a little bit tired of watching the Bucs. They were just very stale. They weren't enjoyable. I think tuning into the Heat's going to be fun. I think it's just like, adds another like, fun element to the NBA.

[Dave Dufour]

Who's dribbling, who's shooting. These are two very important things in the NBA. Guys. Yeah, this is a problem. How are Bam and Giannis going to play at the same time when you need them to? I think it's an issue. You can't have. You can't have two non shooters in the playoffs.

[Zena Keda]

They do have Norman. Like.

[Dave Dufour]

Yeah, Norman was one guy. I will, I will. My point is they can get a sham it. They can get a shooter somewhere, right? Let's just. We'll say that.

[Ben]

Sure.

[Andrew Schlect]

Who's the ball?

[Dave Dufour]

I mean, is there a jaw trade coming or something?

[Ben]

I think, I think, I think Davion Mitchell is actually a pretty good ball handler for them. Will handle the ball and Bobby.

[Dave Dufour]

Davion Mitchell at the floor.

[Ben]

NBA champion Bobby Portis can spread the floor for them. They still have Simone Fontechio who can shoot a shot. They still have Nikola Jovic who can create for them. There's like, it's like eight or nine players deep.

[Andrew Schlect]

David so skeptical. By the way, Dave is ready to

[Ben]

accept is going to be a championship team.

[Dave Dufour]

Hey, you know what? Shout out. Can they get Isaiah Joe? Let's get him in. He played in the Finals, guys. Maybe they could get Isaiah Joe.

[Ben]

Look, I'll.

[Dave Dufour]

He will be in that rotation.

[Ben]

I do not think that this is a championship team. I don't think, honestly it would have been. Boston would have been a different story. This is a, a 4, 5, maybe 3 seed in the Eastern Conference. But it, it's a better starting point than where the Miami Heat were yesterday. Like, they got to build around like what, what. What were the main complaints we had about the Miami Heat two months ago was that they were directionless, that. That there was no way to know what the ceiling or point of this entire group is. The point is now there, it's Giannis.

[Dave Dufour]

Yeah.

[Ben]

He's the guy that they're building around.

[Dave Dufour]

And so I'll say this to your point that. That they gave up nothing. I actually, I tend to agree. Like, this is not like some massive haul that Milwaukee got that's going to jump start a reboot at all. Yeah, but I'm just not. I. I just am not. I don't think that Giannis in Miami really moves the needle all that much because they're so far, in the grand scheme of things, contenders.

[Andrew Schlect]

If we're talking about. If the only Go. Anybody is winning the NBA championship, if that is the only goal, then, like, then this doesn't move the.

[Dave Dufour]

You don't make a trade like this. I mean, isn't the whole. Pat Riley drops the rings on the table.

[Ben]

I will also say that they are much closer to trying and winning a championship with Giannis and T on the roster than without Tiana. Sent.

[Zena Keda]

Of course, I. We're talking about it from the perspective of the Miami Heat, which obviously they're happy. They have a cornerstone player in their franchise. Great, awesome. They haven't had one for a while. But from the perspective. I'm also thinking of the perspective of Giannis. He's. You're. You're talking about a leadership team that's better than the Bucks in the Heat. Okay. Well, we also saw how Jimmy Butler was handled in the main Heat. So that happens when players are happy. Right. Leadership feels better when players are good. They feel like they're winning. They feel like the right pieces are being put around them. Giannis is going to start asking questions like, all right, cool, I'm here now. What we doing? What's going on? And the question is going to be, what is that second unit? Like the second, third, whatever unit. And we just talked about injuries, especially. But this, these. That's where I'm like, even if the wnba, I mean, wnba, y' all can see I was watching games right before this, even before the NBA's championship is on anyone's mind, it's just going to be about getting to that place. Why would you trade for. For Yanis if that isn't your immediate goal?

[Ben]

It absolutely is their immediate goal. It 100% is. And I just think that they are closer to that point than they were beforehand. And I agree. They don't have much to work with anymore. They traded their 20, 31, 32, 33 picks. They traded their 13th pick this year. I get it. They also traded basically all of their prospects, but I still think there are ways for them to get this team to be better. Yeah. Also, they will be a top five defense next season if Giannis is healthy. Top three, maybe with Davion Mitchell and Giannis.

[Dave Dufour]

And that's a strong. They're going to need it, too, because they're going to be scoring in the 90s.

[Zena Keda]

Well, and to be fair, Houston, to

[Andrew Schlect]

be fair, like, no one was sitting here this time last year saying, oh, man, the New York Knicks are in just such pole position to win the NBA title. No one thought that they were. Even as recently as they made a conference finals, as recently as April, though. I don't know that anyone was like, what? Look out for the New York Knicks, baby. They're going to win the NBA championship. We also have to know that, like, this is the Eastern Conference and that the Eastern Conference can unfold in some wacky ways. And as it has. I mean, you guys were on the Pacers, but still, the Pacers were like a dark horse to win the east at the beginning of the playoffs. The Knicks were thought to be a team that was, like, so flawed that they could not do it. They're like, they. They were not a team that could get there. They did it and they won the whole thing. I. I just think that, like, Miami is giving themselves a puncher's chance here with what they've got, and also got

[Dave Dufour]

a guy who's theoretically a top five player. Right? Like, when he's healthy.

[Andrew Schlect]

When he's healthy, he definitely is. Yes.

[Dave Dufour]

Yeah. It's the other stuff that I worry about, like, is this just Milwaukee 2.0? I mean, yeah, Bam is a better player than. Than maybe anybody. I mean, I guess we could say Damian Lillard was better than BAM when he got there. They got a better coach. Right? Spolstra is a much better coach.

[Ben]

Definitely better coach.

[Dave Dufour]

Anybody that Giannis has played with, I'm sure that played a part in why he's there.

[Andrew Schlect]

You remember, he.

[Dave Dufour]

He loved Missoula. The fact that the, The Celtics kind of have this. This organizational, you know, belief system that it felt like the Bucks didn't have. He's. He's got that in Miami, so he's got the culture thing there. It's. It's the pieces. Can they get the bodies?

[Andrew Schlect]

I mean, like, I'm.

[Dave Dufour]

Landry Shambit maybe is in play for them, you know, because they could use the shooting, but I, I just don't think those guys grow on trees. And I worry about where the offense comes from. And then there's the health stuff because, like, let's face it, he hasn't finished the season in a while. Yep.

[Andrew Schlect]

Yeah. And, and I, I, I think those are all very valid. This, this may end up crashing and burning in Miami and like, not working. That is a sincere possibility. But I would also say, like, how else are you giving yourself a puncher's chance to win the east with Khalil Ware and Tyler Hero and picks like there's nothing else out there.

[Dave Dufour]

Well, we'd be hammering the Heat if they didn't make this trade. Right. Like that. I mean, we were all, you know, for Boston to come in, swoop, steal, steal this deal out from underneath the Miami Heat and then we say, oh, wow, the Heat once again can't do anything. So yeah, you know, there, there is that aspect too. I just don't, I did. It didn't really make much sense to me. I actually for the Heat, I thought maybe kicking the tires on Kawhi Leonard made more sense because it just feels like you wouldn't have had to give up as much. You add Kawhi to kind of what you already have rather than tearing it all apart. Not that they had a lot of. Let's. Again, to be fair, this is a play in team. But you add Kawhi to this team because you would be adding, I think maybe it's a better squad. Now, I don't know how realistic that is and you know, certainly let's don't know if the Clippers are going to wind up doing that. But I just. The Giannis fit is, is kind of strange.

[Ben]

Let's, let's try and compare this to what has reportedly been the offer from the Boston Celtics, which is Jaylen Brown and two first round picks. That comparison. Yeah, I mean, look, I think both,

[Dave Dufour]

I think it's not about the deals though. It's not about the deals.

[Ben]

It's about what it is though.

[Dave Dufour]

It's about. But it's about the directions of the franchise. Yeah. And I think what we saw wasn't a team choosing, oh, this deal. We like this deal so much better than we liked getting Jalen Brown. I think it was saying we're just ready to reboot rather than trying to do something around Jalen Brown. That, that's what I think. I don't think it was the quality of the deal. Like, I would love to make the joke that Hugo Gonzalez stopped the Giannis to the, to Boston deal. Right. Like that they wouldn't include him.

[Ben]

Well, look, I wouldn't Say, for a team like the Bucks that doesn't own their future first round picks, Portland owns them. I think it's a little bit weird that they're going towards the tanking department and like trying to be a team that's not going to be in the race. What is the. Like they're just saying we are going to lose our picks to the Portland Trailblazers. Is that the sunk cost of this whole thing or were they thinking that this group can be a little bit more competitive or they could squeeze more assets out of this group? I don't know. I just. That's the way I would try and debate these two offers between Boston and Miami. Because the best player in any of these packages clearly Jaylen Brown. Right? Which I think. I think what happens to him moving forward is a question now for Boston. Given the trade rumors, it feels like he might be next, but it just.

[Dave Dufour]

Oh, he's got to be.

[Ben]

Yeah, it feels like it.

[Dave Dufour]

I'm assuming he's on a 24 hour Twitch stream right now just hoping to get traded live. You know, I'm looking at this hall, okay, the hall for Milwaukee. I'm just going to call it the Hall. It's not like great stuff, but it

[Ben]

should be called the heist for Miami.

[Dave Dufour]

Hey, with Taylor Jenkins, is there not a chance this is just a play in team? Like let's say they keep the guys. Is it not a chance that they just have a play in team? Gary Harris opted in. He'll be back.

[Andrew Schlect]

Gary Harris opted in. He'll be back. Are you trying to talk me into it or out of it with that sentence, Dave?

[Dave Dufour]

They still got Kyle Kuzma. They still got Miles Turner.

[Ben]

The Wizards just max. They.

[Dave Dufour]

They're delivering four play spots.

[Andrew Schlect]

I. I don't know, like whether or not they make the play. And it, like, it.

[Dave Dufour]

It makes me question NBA players. Right?

[Andrew Schlect]

They.

[Zena Keda]

They do, but there's. There's 30 teams and yeah, quite a few that don't make the play in. They have NBA players get that much easier.

[Ben]

No, I think.

[Dave Dufour]

No, it's better.

[Andrew Schlect]

It's better just because the Bucks were not going anywhere last year.

[Zena Keda]

Sure.

[Dave Dufour]

Yeah.

[Zena Keda]

Okay. Okay. But now you've kind of. Okay, yeah, that's true. I was gonna say you've nullified two teams now for a little bit, dude.

[Ben]

I mean, this is gonna be a pretty busy summer for Miami now because they have to resign Norm Powell, they have to resign Fontechio if they want to, and they have to go out and try to get these guys on the Margins to, to fill out their roster and fill out their rotation. Like, I, I do think between getting Bobby Portis and keeping Nicola Jovic, they have like a solid seven man rotation. But you guys saw how important depth was and depth has been over these playoffs.

[Zena Keda]

You need like 10 ball handling and. Ball handling.

[Ben]

Absolutely. Yeah. Which I think they have by the way. Again, I'm gonna say Davion Mitchell and Giannis can, can handle the ball for this. Bucks for this.

[Dave Dufour]

Yeah, I, I think that they're a little short. I, and I would add Norm Power there. I think he can do a little bit. You know, we'll see. I, I think this is, this could be a test of Eric Spoelstra.

[Zena Keda]

Yeah.

[Dave Dufour]

You know what, what sort of creativity is he gonna show on the offensive end? I mean, he hasn't really coached a great offense in a while and offense is so much about talent. But I, I think that as you said, this could be a top three defense. I think it should be. It probably needs to be.

[Ben]

Yeah, there has to be.

[Dave Dufour]

Yeah, right. But if it's not a top 10 offense, would that even matter come playoff time? You know, and again, I understand, Andrew, you said not every team is going to win a title every year, but you don't trade for Giannis if it's not about trying to get a ring.

[Andrew Schlect]

Who could have done that though, would be my question.

[Ben]

But, but like, this is the thing, they weren't close to winning.

[Dave Dufour]

Agreed, agreed. So, but it's all. But this move is about winning a title. Right. So when I'm thinking about it, I have to think ahead to the playoffs. And if your offense is going to struggle, it's going to be. You're going to have a hard time. So I'm curious. They've got an interesting day tomorrow, I think.

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[Dave Dufour]

Like, you know, like what, what, what deals can they hop in on?

[Ben]

Yeah, yeah, that's true.

[Zena Keda]

I like this suggestion. Mark 12:30. What about Russell Westbrook? Think about how crazy the basketball would be.

[Dave Dufour]

That would be crazy, as in

[Zena Keda]

the ATOs would be silly.

[Dave Dufour]

Okay, let's, let's just get the opposite of shooting. That's. That's shooting in the foot.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Zena Keda]

At least you have a ball handler.

[Andrew Schlect]

Yeah, kind of.

[Dave Dufour]

Yeah. I don't think that's gonna happen. My, my guess is there's not going to be another strong personality in the locker room.

[Zena Keda]

Yeah, no, that makes sense. This is mellowed out for what it's worth.

[Ben]

But alas, it comes down to, Honestly, this entire conversation comes down to how much you believe in the next X amount of years for Giannis and Senokounmpo. Yeah, like, how two years is that?

[Dave Dufour]

Two years?

[Ben]

Is that all you're giving Giannis?

[Dave Dufour]

I mean, listen, man, he, he keeps getting these old guy injuries, right. He had the calf stuff, the back stuff. Yeah, sure. It. I'm, I'd be nervous about beyond two years from now.

[Ben]

I, I agree that he doesn't have that.

[Dave Dufour]

It's not like he's dirt.

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[Dave Dufour]

He's not Dirk. Right. He doesn't have the jumper to fall back on.

[Ben]

He is, he has, he has leaned into the mid range shot more and more every single year, which I think is a testament to, like, he's not trying to get hurt as much as he wants to, but he still keeps getting hurt. I think that's the valid conversation to have here is like, how much you believe in Giannis moving forward. What is Giannis for the next five years? They're gonna have to sign a contract extension with him. It's gonna be a super duper, duper max.

[Andrew Schlect]

Like.

[Dave Dufour]

Yep.

[Andrew Schlect]

It's gonna be so much.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schlect]

He's gonna be making like 80 dear fox. He's gonna be making dear and Fox Money's Week.

[Zena Keda]

Wow. Wow.

[Dave Dufour]

I mean it's, it. There's a real, I mean, to me there's a real worry there about how he ages.

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[Dave Dufour]

I mean this is years, a couple years from now. Right. Like, but the short term stuff is. I'm really curious to see how they build a team around him. Maybe guys what might take a discount. I mean, it's not like a great free agent class, but maybe there's some guys that would come in short term. It just doesn't seem like they're established, you know, at all. Yanis just getting there. This is not like it's year three or whatever and Giannis is like shown that they, they kind of got a winning thing happening. I, I think discounts are going to be hard to come by and I don't know, like not having your draft pick this year is gonna, I think it's gonna hurt you. So players, right?

[Ben]

Apparently, according to Chris Haynes, Giannis also confirmed that he would sign a long term extension with the Minnesota Timber, but the trade did not go down. And I, maybe this is a way to talk about the other that happened like 20 minutes beforehand, which is Julius Randall going to the Brooklyn Nets, Nick Clackson to the Chicago Bulls, and then

[Dave Dufour]

also the 28th pick. Minnesota sending their, their 28th pick to Brooklyn for the 33rd pick. So like in the second round.

[Ben]

So basically a salary dump of Julius

[Dave Dufour]

and they immediately signed iodesunmu to a five year, $112 million extension, which that's pretty good actually for to keep IO Dasuno, especially after what we saw to him in the playoffs. But the salary dump of, of Randall is kind of wild. It's s. You know, when, when we talked about it in our group chat, you kind of said, oh, is this like something step back season?

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Dave Dufour]

For the, for the Wolves. I don't know. What do you guys think?

[Ben]

I mean, according to John Krasinski, our guy from the Athletic, Nas Reed is going to be starting at power forward moving forward. It's a big investment in Jada McDaniels. You know, obviously they have IO dsumu. That's kind of their starting five. And in terms of rotation players go like, who else do they have? Because now they don't have Dante DiVincenzo, they don't have Randall anymore.

[Dave Dufour]

Sure, Mike Conley will come back for next to nothing.

[Ben]

Maybe. But they do have access to the mle. I know you brought up Mamu. I feel like he's Going to be sought out by 75 teams.

[Dave Dufour]

But although I don't know if you can go with, because he might be a little bit too much like Nas Reed. So if you want to throw a curveball off the bench, he might not be the right guy.

[Andrew Schlect]

Yeah.

[Dave Dufour]

But he could play a little five, you know, at least offensive five, I think. I think Berenger should be ready to play quite a bit this season.

[Ben]

Zacharsky.

[Dave Dufour]

Yeah.

[Ben]

Is he ready? I don't know.

[Dave Dufour]

I think maybe we'll see Terrence Shannon Jr. Before the second round of the playoffs.

[Zena Keda]

Terence Shannon Jr. As we should. As we.

[Dave Dufour]

Right. Like, he needs a shot. They have. I don't know. This is very much just reshuffling their. Their deck chairs a little bit. Like, they cleaned up their books and then being able to keep IO is massive for them. Huge. They've. They've lacked guard depth. They are going to lack guard depth next season. And I. I think that you can't lose that guy essentially, that you already have in house.

[Andrew Schlect]

Yeah.

[Dave Dufour]

But the mid level will be. That'll be the. The key to their seasons, like, who they sign with, their mid level, which kind of already tells you where they're at.

[Andrew Schlect]

Yeah.

[Ben]

Yeah, it feels.

[Andrew Schlect]

Yeah, it's. It's tricky because Randall was, like, easily their second best player last year and had a really nice season. Like, Randall was good for them and was really. He's their best facilitator. So, like, I wonder, like, where. Where does that get distributed? I know, like, Ant needs to be a little bit better, but, like. And maybe IO can do a little bit of that, but that's not really what he does. So, like, how does, like, all the passing work for Minnesota, I think is, like, a really big question that I have.

[Zena Keda]

I'm also asking the defensive question because Julius Randall also handled some tough defensive assignments, whether it was a big guy or, you know, just in general a big score. So, yeah, he kind of took a little bit of defensive attention off of, you know, what aunt need to do out there, too.

[Andrew Schlect]

Yeah, it's true.

[Zena Keda]

It's.

[Andrew Schlect]

It's tricky.

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[Andrew Schlect]

They've, you know, since they had Cat and then they traded Cat, like, they. I. I feel like they've kind of fumbled some of these moves since then, and it's not their fault that DiVincenzo got hurt, but that just is, like, that just kind of sucks for them. And then, like, Nikhil. If they would have just signed Nikhil to that, to the deal they had, then they could probably still have Nikhil. And IO because they botched the, the Dillingham pick and then they ended up turning Dillingham into him, which is like a nice recovery. But like, since then you've kind of bled talent out. And like, if you're in, if you're in the Western Conference, you cannot afford to bleed talent out when you have the spurs and the Thunder who are going to be better next year. Like both of those teams are going to come back and be better next year. And so if you're the Wolves, who. I think it's a, it's a fine pivot, but they are not a better basketball team next year.

[Dave Dufour]

No, definitely not. Definitely not. I mean, they, they lost depth and they already weren't deep. They're, they're playmaking. You know, this is the big thing we, we talked about with, with Miami right now. Who's gonna dribble? Well, Julius Randle did a lot of that.

[Andrew Schlect]

A lot.

[Dave Dufour]

You know, a lot of their elbow stuff ran off him. But yeah, probably too much. And, and you know, if you, if you go to the Athletic, you read John Krasinski, he talks about Jade McDaniels. You know, basically this is the team saying that he's got to be the second guy. Is he ready for that kind of workload? You know, I don't know. They won't have, they won't have DiVincenzo for a lot of the year, you know, so they're, they're not going to have depth.

[Andrew Schlect]

Yeah.

[Zena Keda]

After we saw Jada McDaniels run in the playoffs and him just the confidence that he was playing, I think it is important that a lot of these moves are essentially signaling to you. You are now the number two or you are now the someone that, you know, we're putting this pressure on to step up to the plate. And I think someone like Jada McDaniels, who again I would say the two best two way player on this team next to Ann Edwards. Right. There's no one else. Like just his ability to take on hard assignments as well as be able to get to his spot in ways that we hadn't seen until really this year. I think he's absolutely ready for it.

[Dave Dufour]

Yeah, I mean, we're gonna find out.

[Andrew Schlect]

He, he, he will have to be able to because he, he has tended to kind of fade in and out. Like he has like weeks where he's on and then there's weeks where he's off and like though he's valuable no matter what because defensively he does so much for them. But As a scorer, he's very streaky and like that. It's just a. It's a tough position to put a guy who I. I think is a really good player and is like a really, really good number three. But when like a good number three is forced to be a number two, it's tough. It can be. You can put yourself in a pretty tough situation.

[Dave Dufour]

I also, I'm really hard that he's like their best defender.

[Ben]

Right.

[Andrew Schlect]

And he's taking.

[Dave Dufour]

He's taken the number one guy every single night. We saw this with Steph Castle, I think in the playoffs where he was. They were so depending on him on the offensive end. Right. His defense never wavered, but his offense was. Was pretty bad. Sorry.

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[Dave Dufour]

I didn't mean to step on you there.

[Ben]

No, you're good. You're good. I was just gonna say I'm kind of curious where this leaves Rudy Gobert. Because if they're doing a retool and there's already been reports that they were looking at like, Derek White for Rudy Gobert, a swap of some sorts, I'm kind of curious what happens there, because if are doing the whole, like, let's get younger.

[Dave Dufour]

Yeah.

[Ben]

Let's shift in a different direction, then. Then maybe Rudy is also a part of that equation. But I. I don't know.

[Dave Dufour]

There's a chance. I mean, that's a top five defense by himself, especially in the East. Like, what if Charlotte got in on Rudy Gobert? I would love it so much.

[Ben]

That'd be awesome.

[Dave Dufour]

Set that. Set that floor super high for the defense. But let's not forget, like, we may be in for some chaos in the next 24 hours because I think Boston is gonna have to trade Jalen Brown. He, you know, I mean, he's essentially turned himself into a twitch streamer and is just a stream of consciousness. And they just have come out publicly and said he was included. I mean, it's in a sham's tweet.

[Andrew Schlect]

Yeah.

[Dave Dufour]

That. That Jalen Brown was offered. Right. And I mean, this is. This is not just run of the mill trade rumor stuff.

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[Ben]

Well, you guys. You guys saw his thing where he's like, you guys.

[Dave Dufour]

Monster now you're turning me into a monster. Yeah.

[Zena Keda]

2.0.

[Dave Dufour]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schlect]

I love the NBA, guys. I love the NBA. This is so opera stuff all summer long. Come on.

[Dave Dufour]

We got the Houston Rockets coming out and saying everyone's on the table except for Amen. There's a lot. There's a lot that could happen here.

[Ben]

Can we.

[Dave Dufour]

Can we just all agree, by the way, real quick.

[Ben]

Got better when they got Giannis.

[Zena Keda]

Sure.

[Dave Dufour]

Of course they did. They got the best.

[Ben]

I feel like losing my mind here.

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[Dave Dufour]

What seed?

[Zena Keda]

No, we're not saying they didn't get better.

[Dave Dufour]

Hold on.

[Zena Keda]

I'm just saying that doesn't make sense.

[Dave Dufour]

Yes, they were the 10 seed this year. They will be better than the 10 seed next season. Book it. That's a stone cold lock for you guys. Wow. They will not be the 10 seed. They will be at least the 9th seed.

[Andrew Schlect]

After getting such a hater, I did not expect to see to, to have Dave.

[Dave Dufour]

Somebody had to do it here, guys.

[Andrew Schlect]

I did not think there would be this much hater aid coming from.

[Dave Dufour]

Yeah, somebody had to do it. I, I just say, I don't know, I mean, I think if I was the Miami Heat, I would have maybe called up the Celtics about Jaylen Brown.

[Andrew Schlect]

Yeah, but if you're the Celtics, you're a smart organization and you don't take that trade package.

[Dave Dufour]

Yes, exactly.

[Andrew Schlect]

Okay. I mean, there's no other star in the league that you could, that you could trade.

[Zena Keda]

Exactly.

[Andrew Schlect]

There's no other star that you could take that trade package and trade and get a actual like superstar for that trade package. There's not another one. There's not one.

[Ben]

No way. No way could you get.

[Dave Dufour]

No, I mean, I mean, technically.

[Ben]

Well, actually, you know what went for Anthony Davis and Max Christie, that's fine.

[Dave Dufour]

But Anthony Davis is a Hall of Famer and still like theoretically in his prime, so. Sure, it's a little different.

[Andrew Schlect]

Yeah.

[Dave Dufour]

Oh, you mean, yeah, Anthony Davis.

[Ben]

I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dave Dufour]

Tyler hero.

[Ben]

Either way, like, you're not getting, I don't know, you're not getting Nicola Jokic for what you just got. You know, I just.

[Dave Dufour]

Yeah, you're definitely not. Yeah, I mean, listen, Giannis is legitimate. I mean, he's a two time mvp. He's the champ. It feels like a crazy trade. But also, I just, I don't know, I mean, Minnesota not being willing to, to tear things like completely to shreds to do it. Does that say more about Giannis or does it say more about Minnesota?

[Ben]

That's why I'm saying it's a big bet on Giannis. It has to be a big bet on Giannis. Do you believe in Giannis Antonokounmpo? Ask yourself, do you believe in Giannis Antonokounmpo? If you do, you like this trade for the Miami Heat? If you don't, you don't.

[Zena Keda]

Here's the thing, I think multiple things, I think multiple things can be true at once. One, that package was probably not worthy of someone like Giannis. Probably needed a little bit more for us to feel like, okay, they really exchanged and got got out good, especially when it comes to those first round picks.

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[Zena Keda]

That's true. Number two, it also can be true that we don't know how this puts Giannis or the Miami Heat in a position to win a title, which is why you believe you would make a trade like this. I think that is a fair question to ask, especially when it comes to the depth of the Miami Heat. And we can also say, you know, number three, that yes, when we wake up, up in the morning, the Miami Heat will have inched closer. And I don't, I don't think they're going to be 10 to 9 closer. No, I'm saying I'm, I'm using the word. Okay.

[Andrew Schlect]

Yard.

[Zena Keda]

They will have, they will have gotten closer to that conversation. But will they have, will they have made a move in which you're like, oh, yeah, they're winning that, this, they're going to be competitive, they're going to win a title, etc. No. So I think all things, all three things can be true at once. Dave can, he's, he's, he's pointed on a little thick.

[Dave Dufour]

I'm leaning into this a little bit,

[Zena Keda]

but I think all three things could happen where we're asking these questions for the Heat, we're asking these questions for, you know, the, the depth of this team and we're asking these questions for the future of the Miami Heat. I think the Bucks, they're good. They're just fine. I, I what?

[Ben]

You had me until the last.

[Dave Dufour]

Bucks are doing nothing. Yeah, the Bucks are still doing nothing. The Bucks have been doing.

[Zena Keda]

Do not mistake me. I am not saying they're good as in, like, they're going to be great next year. They're going to, they have moved closer to anything. They have absolutely, I think, moved backwards but or stayed stagnant. I'm saying they're fine mine and that they're not, they're not asking these questions because as you said, s they got away with or no, excuse me, you're

[Ben]

saying I'm the opposite. I go there. I, I have more.

[Zena Keda]

Well, never mind. Anyways, the point is, I'm not saying, I'm just saying the Bucks are not, they're, they're moving on, they're moving forward, they're done with the saga and that's all they care About.

[Dave Dufour]

I think it's a bad trade for Milwaukee. And to me, it's kind of a meh trade for the Heat, which I understand sounds crazy because it's Giannis, but it's only because of the team that they've got. Right. Like, they gave up half a basketball team. Yeah. Jaime Hawkez with Giannis would have been good. Tyler Hero would have been good. You get what I mean?

[Andrew Schlect]

You gave away half a play in Team Dave.

[Dave Dufour]

The trade itself is fine for Miami. I feel not great about the Miami Heat.

[Ben]

I think. I think that is entirely fair take to have about how good the Miami Heat would be next season, given to your point, Xena, the aspirations to win a championship, since I was much more

[Dave Dufour]

excited about the Celtics possibilities.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Dave Dufour]

With Jonas. Right. And it's because they're. They're just. They're closer.

[Ben]

Did I message this to you guys? I said, I like. I like Giannis for Boston, but I like Miami for Giannis. Like, Giannis is probably going to have a better time in Miami. The guy. Not just. Not just south, but like. But like being the guy in Miami next to Bam. And like, all of the usage is going towards him. Whereas for Boston, you're probably on a better team with higher championship aspirations, with a more legit chance to win a title, but maybe not like the perfect situation for Giannis as a player individually. So I don't know. I just.

[Dave Dufour]

He was going to be. He was going to be second behind Tatum, right?

[Andrew Schlect]

Yeah.

[Ben]

Yep.

[Dave Dufour]

And not necessarily rightfully, if we're thinking just in the player hierarchy. Right. But in that organization, it's different. It's kind of like going. And, I mean, it's not quite Steph Curry, but it's not. Not Steph Curry.

[Andrew Schlect]

Yeah.

[Dave Dufour]

You want to be the guy. You can't go play with Tatum.

[Andrew Schlect]

I will say.

[Dave Dufour]

I mean, Jalen Brown. Right. Like, this is why he wants out.

[Andrew Schlect]

I will say this tomorrow.

[Zena Keda]

I literally was like, kombucha girl. I was like, wait. Oh, okay. Yep. Not okay. Gotcha.

[Andrew Schlect]

I. I will say this tomorrow is outrageously important for the. For the Bucks.

[Ben]

Yes.

[Andrew Schlect]

Like, they have to nail these draft picks tomorrow. Like, they. They better have, like, a really good plan on who they're taking at 10 and 13 because.

[Ben]

Or they move up.

[Andrew Schlect]

Yeah. They could. They could package those and move up, but you. You have to nail this.

[Dave Dufour]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schlect]

Like, if they. If they whiff on either one of these picks or if they trade up and whiff on that player, you're in for purgatory for a long time in My opinion and I don't, I don't like the start of this rebuild at all. I think they're a little expensive. They have a lot of players on their roster. Like maybe they can flip some of these guys because they, they really need to, like they need to be able to trade some of these players but I don't know how much you can actually get for them. They need to start that process, but they really need to nail these picks.

[Dave Dufour]

Yeah, if, if Turner, if Miles Turner felt like he had, you know, if it was like two years ago, Miles Turner, I'd feel pretty good about them being able to get something for him. I don't, I don't know what they'll probably trade. Maybe something hero I guess would would have some teams that be interested. I mean hell maybe like San Antonio would even be interested in Miles Turner. I mean they could definitely use a guy like, like that. It's, it's more like with their draft picks they have 10 and 13. You, maybe you're not getting like a no brainer guy. But wasn't Giannis 13? Like maybe, you know, maybe you luck into one of these.

[Ben]

So they traded Giannis for Giannis is what you're saying. Stage before says.

[Dave Dufour]

I mean, you know what I mean? Like maybe you luck into. Yeah to one of these guys but I don't think you're going to be able to move up far enough for it to make a difference. I think I'd rather take 10 and 13 and have two bites at the apple then package them to get 800%.

[Ben]

Just, just to, just to clarify here in terms of the Bucks future pick situation, New Orleans holds pick swap for next season and it could go to Atlanta. If it's in one way or another, it's either New Orleans or Atlanta next season for the Bucks. They don't own their pick so they can't be too terrible. And then in 2028 it's also a pick swap and that goes to the Portland trailblazers and in 2030 it is a pick swap and that goes to the Portland Trailblazers.

[Andrew Schlect]

So I'm telling you they have to nail these traffics tomorrow. Yes, they have to. They need to get a like star level player which I think is possible at one of these picks. I think that this draft, draft is good enough, especially in this range. I think this range is a, is a really good, is a good range to find somebody but it's also like the boomer bust range and so like

[Dave Dufour]

oh hey this is a great time to mention if you're going to be watching the draft. You should come to this YouTube page and watch the draft with S and friends.

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[Ben]

That's right. Should be a lot of fun.

[Andrew Schlect]

Zach Harper will be joining us in Chicago. C.J. moore, who is the, the best college basketball writer in the country, is going to be joining us as well. Who's going to be breaking down, like, who these guys are, even, like, personally who they are. He knows a lot of these guys and knows a lot of their families, which I think is, like, super important when you're talking about, like, bringing a guy into your organization. So he's going to give insight there. I'll be running around screaming when the Thunder take their pick. So you can tune in for that. It should be, it should be a really fun, A really fun stream. So be sure we actually have it up already. So you can hit the bell if you want to get a notification when we go live. Would love that. So be sure that you, right now, if you're, one, if you're on the stream right now, hit the like button. And then two, make sure that you are ready for the stream tomorrow night. Because I think this is good. This could be like, one of the more like, fun, chaotic drafts. And by the way, we won't be following the, the, the tv. We'll be following the reporting. And so we'll be talking as the reports come out about that. So if you don't want to watch the, the draft itself and you want to, you may, maybe you want to see what the guys are wearing, but if you want to, like, hear analysis on each pick as they come out, tune into our draft stream.

[Dave Dufour]

Yeah, you know, I'll be watching. I'll be listening to you guys, but I'll be watching to make sure I see what everybody's wearing.

[Andrew Schlect]

Yes, yes. You know what? That's what I would.

[Dave Dufour]

It is fun. It is. Honestly, it is fun.

[Zena Keda]

It's stories that are starting to be woven into.

[Dave Dufour]

It's more fun to see the outfits 10 years later. Right. Like, yeah, I, I watching them live. I'm always lost. The only one that I got in real time was Bobo with the ridiculous spider.

[Andrew Schlect]

Yeah.

[Dave Dufour]

Suit. You guys remember this? I understood exactly what he was doing there, there. Otherwise, I'm just often like, wow, that's, that's so many layers.

[Zena Keda]

For what it's worth. For what it's worth, I do believe, especially as someone that has, you know, watches women's basketball and men's basketball and these, the draft is the moment that most of the world and the really the country gets to know these men, get to know their stories beyond just basketball. This is the, this is like the first time that they're kind of like letting their guards down because at this point point they're pretty much chosen. They're not gonna hopefully mess up anything at the interview. They've been evaluated. So I like watching the draft from that perspective. Get to learn a lot more of the stories and everything.

[Andrew Schlect]

Yeah.

[Zena Keda]

Wait. Oh, okay.

[Dave Dufour]

This YouTube comment here that I'm gonna read feels like a perfect way to end the stream. Thank you guys for hanging out with us on YouTube. Thanks for listening to the pod all season long. This has been a lot of Fun. From Rap Stallion 6615 on YouTube. The Wolves turn Cat into the number 33 pick in this year's draft.

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[Dave Dufour]

NBA champion Carl Anthony Towns. Shout out to him.

[Andrew Schlect]

Shout out to cab.

[Dave Dufour]

There you go. All right, guys, make sure you watch us on the live stream tomorrow. It's going to be a great time as and the guys are going to have a ton of fun, I'm sure. For Andrew Select Esperahenny and Zena Keda, I'm Dave Dufour and this is Ben the NBA Daily. Thanks for waking up with us.

[Andrew Schlect]

Shout out to the Bulls for getting Nick Claxton. That's cool, too.

[Dave Dufour]

That's a good pickup.

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