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Dave Defour
Good morning and welcome to the NBA Daily presented by Amazon prime for February 12, 2026. I'm Dave Defour here with Zena Keda. Coming up, Kawhi Leonard himself. A fourth quarter. We're going to hit that. Then James Edwards is here to talk about the Knicks big win and what they need to do coming out of the All Star break. Good morning everybody. What's up? Xena and crazy Monday night. At one point, Xena, I could not.
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Zena Keda
Keep up with the amount of games.
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Dave Defour
13 games on it once. Yeah, man. My brain is kind of fried.
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Zena Keda
How about you?
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Dave Defour
Yeah, well.
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Zena Keda
And you're watching a little bit so.
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Dave Defour
I don't know how you're keeping up. Unrivaled. We got 13 games on Monday night. They they were doing their one on one tournament. How was that?
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Zena Keda
It was good. It's been fun watching it so far. Last night was the first night of the one on one tournament and I like the fact that they've already split up the bigs and the smalls. We don't have to see the inter positional B matches until later on but keep watching. It doesn't end until this weekend so lots of fun competitions so far.
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Dave Defour
Yeah. And. And check out no offseason, one of Zena's other jobs around here. All right. Hey, speaking of things to check out, Clippers and Rockets played a back to back in Houston. Okay. So it's a little bit rare. And we hit the Rocket side of this yesterday with, with Kelly Eco. Well, the clippers mounted a 15 point comeback in game two of the back to back to win the game. And before we say anything, I know I've been hard on the Rockets, hard to beat a team two nights in a row. And the Clippers aren't that bad. You know, they're only two games under.500 right now and I know that they traded away two of their best players and it makes no sense because Kawhi Leonard is no doubt like a top 10 player this year. And we saw it last night, Xena, he put up 19 points in the fourth quarter, hit the game winning pull up in the lane and won with two seconds left. And, and he was guarding Durant down the stretch when especially when he started to heat up, he slid over. Listen, this the, the game is a little bit of a throwaway I think from a result standpoint. You know, like I can't. There's no big takeaway when you have to play second night of a back to back against a team you played yesterday. But Kawhi stands out to me.
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Zena Keda
Yeah, Kawhi stands out to you. His build stands out to you. His capacity for continuing to play the way that he has been playing for years now still stands out to you. I mean the game winning shot, he had teammates open, there was a crowd around him and he just spun away, faded away from the crowd. Hits the game winner in a mid range so very Kawhi like for him to be able to take that down. But I just love this about Kawhi, for what we have said about him his entire career of making sure he's capable of staying on the floor, that he's healthy. Right. He's played in 40 games this season. He scored 20 or more points and 37 of them. Okay. This is a guy that is steady and consistent when he is healthy. And as much as we want to say like why would you trade away James Harden when this guy's playing this well? Why would you trade away Evita Zubac when he's playing this well? I'm going to just tell you right now, Benedict Matheran looked really good alongside Kawhi Leonard last night and so did the rest of the supporting cast. But I don't want to say that things are over for the Clippers just because they've lost two of their big three. It, it won't be the same dominant Clippers but they like they have a dominant, they have, excuse me, they have a balanced attack right now and I actually really like the pickups that they've had to add to their cast, particularly Mather and off the bench.
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Dave Defour
Okay, so Brook Lopez slides into the starting lineup and you know I, I totally understand there is a drop off there but Brook Lopez has been playing better basketball here lately. They've got I guess a conglomeration of guys who can score a little bit. Now you mentioned Matheran goes to the free throw line 10 times. Okay. The thing that's really helping them is that they're going to play a lot of teams that aren't really trying to win. And so this is still probably a play in team but they're not as scary as they were when they had James Harden and Ait Zuba. So it is just different. And especially look Kawhi just, he looks so good. It was another fourth quarter that was tough for the Rockets. That's another thing. I'll say they only scored 19 points in, in the fourth. You know some of the same problems that we've been hitting on. I, I just don't know what they do outside of sign a point guard who, who can help them out.
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Zena Keda
And that's the problem is that we've seen this consistently happen with the, with Houston where they have lulls and even coach Eme Udoka talked about this post game is that if they don't have the lulls in the middle of the game that they had that allowed the Clippers to come back because let's remind ourselves that the clippers were down 15 at one point in this game and it was not only the offensive lulz. The Clippers packed the paint, they blitzed the pick and rolls which the Houston Rocks have seen all season. So they should be right pretty skilled and adept at being able to pass out of it to be able to not to see that third defender on the backside rotate over and know not to pass directly into that it, you know contributed to their 20 plus turnovers. This is why they're in the bottom 10 third of the league in terms of turnovers. But they've seen this all season long and they still struggle to score when teams pack the paint. And so this is something that the Houston Rockets have to pay attention to. You do give them credit for, you know, getting back into the mix of things. Alpern Changun is probably going to want that. That free throw back for sure.
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Dave Defour
Gonna want that one back.
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Zena Keda
But overall, this is a good win by the Clippers. It felt playoff like for them.
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Dave Defour
Yeah. And Kawhi was awesome, which is fun. Okay. The Bucks beat the Magic. I repeat, the Bucks beat the Magic in Orlando. Xena, they beat him. 116, 108. No Giannis, of course, for the Bucks. And the Magic are finally healthy. This is not supposed to happen, Xena. The Magic is supposed to be better than this. And frankly, I got one question to ask after watching this game. How come the Orlando Magic didn't sign Cam Thomas? Was this a Cam Thomas revenge game? Like, did he maybe meet with the Magic? And he was like, oh, these guys don't want me 34 points off the bench. 12:20. Doc Rivers is ecstatic right now.
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Zena Keda
Right, right, right. Listen, I'll tell you right now, there's a lot of teams that could be asking themselves that question. When I saw Cam Thomas was available. Say what you want. There, of course, has been a little bit questionable news about what kind of teammate Cam Thomas is or what kind of, you know, culture that Cam Thomas provides, being that he is a walking bucket himself, not necessarily a floor setter for everyone else around him to eat. But that's okay. He can get you buckets. And how many teams in the league right now need a certified bucket? And the Bucks were absolutely one of them. I think Orlando probably was one of those teams that said, hey, if we get healthy, we're good. We got a ton of buckets, we got a ton of height and buckets. And Cam Thomas provides only one of those things. And so I get why Orlando may not have said we need him, but, man, did it look like they needed him against the Bucks. And I just. I love this for. For Cam Thomas first games, you know, with the Bucks, he was still getting his. His. I don't know, maybe his snow gear on. Like, I don't know what's going on in Milwaukee, but he was just getting accustomed to that, the Bucks in general. And then his welcome party off the bench, being able to just tear up whatever Orlando wanted to do defensively, that, to me, was actually more the concern. The fact that the Orlando Magic defense was supposed to be prized is not. Was not capable of containing him.
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Dave Defour
You gave up 1:16 to a Bucs team that doesn't really have a notable player that creates shots or that scares you. And I think that's a real problem for Orlando or this has not been A good year for them. Obviously, the health stuff has been an issue, but the results have been poor even when they've been healthy. So hopefully they figure things out. Otherwise, I mean, like, you're a play in team and likely out in the first round.
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Dave Defour
We've been talking a lot about tanking because to repeat, a third of the league is actively trying to lose. So we're going to check in on this. We had some Tank teams playing each other last night. Xena, the Pacers and the Nets. Okay? The Pacers to this point have. They've essentially been making lemonade out of lemons. Okay? You come into the year, you lose Miles Turner coming out of the finals, I mean, that hurts you. And obviously the Tyrese Halliburton injury, he's out for the season. Okay. They happen to also have some. Some bad injury luck to start the year. You lean in. Okay. The game against the Nets last night was the first night I can think of off the top of my head where the Pacers, they pulled everyone. That was it.
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Zena Keda
They.
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Dave Defour
No, Sekam, Zubot, not going to play for a while, if at all, this season. The ethical tank is over for the Pacers. And yet they were playing the Brooklyn Nets and someone, because of the rules of the NBA, had to win the game. Zena. So the Pacers win.
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Zena Keda
They're.
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Dave Defour
They're now tied with the Nets in the win column. They have a two loss lead in the loss column. They have more losses than the Nets.
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Zena Keda
So listen, if there's anyone you're more impressed with with the Tank, it's actually Brooklyn. Because if you look at who was in that starting lineup, these are draft picks. These are guys they've traded for. These are guys that are, you know, know, legitimate, like names in comparison to a lot of more G league guys that are coming up into spaces and with the Indiana Pacers. So shout out to the Indiana Pacers. Guys proving themselves, being able to get the win, not necessarily what you want. They pulled it out.
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Dave Defour
Nobody wants to win. Speaking of the Utah Jazz, they played the Kings, who just. They weren't tanking, they're just bad. And it was a blowout. Not in the way you might think. The Utah Jazz win 121 to 93. They built a lead so big at halftime. Jaren Jackson and Lowry Market. I feel like there's gonna. There's a conspiracy working here. They are gonna try to build leads that they can't possibly tank out of. And it helps that they're playing the Kings, who lost their 14th straight again. Kings just bad Kangs.
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Zena Keda
This Kangs is Kangs in right now. But it's true. We have seen this consistently. Jaren Jackson Jr, Larry Markkanen and Yusuf Nurkic not playing more than 27 minutes a night. Typically around that 25 minute mark and down. Thing is you cannot help all stars be all Stars. You know, like they can't help be but have the 20 point games that they're having in the small amount of times that have they're out on the floor. I feel like this. There could be a conspiracy. I mean Will Hardy, look around.
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Dave Defour
Will Hardy's still coaching hard too. This is the other thing. And he was coaching hard. I mean in the fourth quarter of a blowout that his team was winning, he was coaching hard. There is a lot of stuff happening. And I do think that not playing your best players in a fourth quarter that's close and not calling a timeout, you do mess with the integrity of the sport. Yeah, I do think that that's an issue. But this Jazz team, what I'm trying to focus on is the positive. They are going to be real fun next season and they may have a high draft pick to add to this. So if we're looking at the silver lining. Everybody, look. I keep getting ganged up on by Andrew and S. I'm glad. I think Xena's on my side. But I kept keep getting ganged up on about the tanking. I understand. It's a smart strategy. It's just lame.
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Zena Keda
I don't. I agree. I'm with you.
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Zena Keda
Dave, we're on. The funny thing is we keep having this conversation again.
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Dave Defour
I know.
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Zena Keda
And we're on the same page. But. Yeah, I guess we need us and Andrew to explain this to us because I agree with you. It doesn't. It's too obvious. It's too blatant that you're not.
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Dave Defour
If you're not trying to win.
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Zena Keda
Yeah.
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Dave Defour
Is it sports? All right, for more on that question. Actually we're not going to hit it. We got James Edwards after the break, guys. We're going to talk Knicks and what they need coming out of the break.
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Dave Defour
The Knicks bounced back on the second night of a back to back after a bad loss that might have broken their back. Xena, but instead busted the 76ers Open, won by 49 points. Our guy James Edwards was there. Now he's, he's in the parking lot. He's about to commute home. James. Heck of a game. That's the how you respond to, to a loss to a team as bad as the Pacers this season. And man, Jose Alvarado looks like a huge pickup for the Knicks.
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James Edwards
That was one. First off, good to see you guys. Secondly, good to see you. That was maybe the most sexually innuendo filled intro of all time.
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Dave Defour
I don't know about that.
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James Edwards
Break your back.
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Dave Defour
Yes, this is a children.
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James Edwards
Oh, I'm sor. We could cut that.
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Zena Keda
So good.
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James Edwards
So good. Yeah, no, it, I mean, Jose, listen, I, I wrote today. He played all the hits plus some B sides he came in. Got steals, got deflections, brought energy, hit eight threes, tied his career high. The Knicks would have won comfortably without his 26 points. They came to handle business and that's kind of the, the give and take with this Knicks team this year. They, they look great at times, they look very bad at times. They have the highest of highs, the lowest of lows. And like you said, they, they lost to the Pacers last night, come back and smash Philly a few weeks ago they lost to Dallas at home, got the, got the brakes beat off them, and then turned around and beat the Brooklyn nets by 54 or something like that. So this Knicks team, as I've written like, they have the, they have the pieces to be an NBA title contender. They just have to find consistency and no team's going to be perfect. You're not going to win every single game. But the levels in which that their play dips is concerning at times and they need to spend the second half of the season not seesawing as much and finding a little bit more balanced ground to walk on.
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Zena Keda
That was going to be my question to you, James, is, you know, looking into the second half of the year, what should the Knicks look to or focus on? You think about the fact that going into this year they went on that two of nine skid and now they've won 10 of their last 12. They're starting to put some things together. Of course, we've saw. We saw Jose Alvarado last night pick up the slack after Jalen Brunson drops 40 in a loss against the Pacers. He didn't have to do so much with Jose Alvarado being able to come off the bench. If you're looking for consistency, what do you need to look to in within your offense, your defense, your roster? What's the key to the consistency for the Knicks?
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James Edwards
For me, it's all defensive. I don't really worry about this team offensively. They're going to live and die by the three point shot more than they did in previous years. That's fine. A lot of teams do that. I still worry about Karl Anthony Towns is shooting going forward. He has to find that we have enough games now where it's worth wondering and worrying about. But they are a good offensive team. They have enough guys that can make shots. Defensively, is it. They're never going to be a great defensive team, but they have the tools to be good and we just don't see it enough. And when we do see it, it's like, holy crap. Like this team really can get to that level defensively and if they're able to score, they're a really tough team to beat. But being able to be physical at the point of attack, being able to not be a step slow in rotations, those are the things we need to see a bit more consistently. Yeah, we did see it a lot during the eight game winning streak, but we also didn't see it when they won two, two and 11 games. Right. Like, yeah, then we didn't see it last night in Indiana. We saw it tonight against Philly. Like they just need to find a little bit more balance there on the defensive end. I think Mitchell Robinson being able to play way more minutes will be helpful for this group. He's just been very good and he's just such an impactful player. They don't have OG yet. Who knows when he'll be back. He has a toe avulsion which I've been told if you've lost your toenail or it's very painful. Yeah, I've been fortunate in my, in my playing days to never have done that. So that sounds terrible, but. So we don't know when he's coming back. But they still have the pieces to be okay defensively as we saw tonight. Yes, Philly's different when Embiid's not playing and they also didn't have Grimes but the Knicks handled business, and they have a level of intensity that they can get to defensively that they need to show more.
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Dave Defour
I'm glad you brought up Mitchell Robinson, and He only played 15 minutes last night. All right, how do they get his minute load up? Because that's. That's really the. The trick when OG comes back and when you've got Mitchell Robinson out there, you have two guys that can help make up for some of the mistakes at the point of attack and. And obviously the. The rim protection and rebound, rebounding that they both bring. So how do they get his minutes? You know, he needs to play like 25 minutes for him, and it seems like he can just never get there.
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James Edwards
So they have actually, in the month of January, if you go and look, I think he played six or seven games at 24 minutes or more, which was like double what he had done from the start of the season to December. So they have been able to kind of ramp that up a little bit more. I think the game against Philly, that's more. So that was just such a butt whooping that they might not have needed him as much, but he's still not able to play on back to backs. You don't have to worry about back to backs in the playoffs, but they have ramped up his minutes a bit more here. I know we're in February now, but January is really when it started. Just being able to insulate Jalen with four good defenders is going to be huge for this team. And the more Mitch can play, the more minutes he can go, the longer stretches he has, that's good for everybody. So I'm very curious to see if they can continue to kind of build on that again. They've shown flashes. They just need to do it again. You're not going to win every game, but there's a level of consistency that they're just not showing that they need to show.
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Zena Keda
This is also their last matchup against Philly, and, you know, you see teams starting to close out these series against teams, you know, Any lessons learned from this matchup against the 76ers over the course of the year?
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James Edwards
Yeah, I think there's a few, if I'm not mistaken. I think they. I don't know if they split or. New York won two.
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Zena Keda
Yeah, they actually split.
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James Edwards
They did split. So the first two, Philly one, New York really struggled with their. Their ball handling. Tyrese Max, and that's going to be with Paul George, too. That's going to be something. If both these teams are healthy in the playoffs that the Knicks are going to have to again, goes back to defense, be able to be disciplined. And they are a team that can struggle when teams have multiple ball handlers. The Knicks do have that or the Sixers do have that. But I have learned in just watching this team that again, there is a level that they can get to. Defensively they were very. Maxi was good, but they took away everybody else and they were able to really stymie them. So if they can do that consistently, I think think it bodes well for a lot of the teams they face. But yeah, going against teams that have that level of ball handling has been a struggle for them at times. But they again, they've dug down deep before.
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Dave Defour
James. All right, before we let you get out of here, it's All Star weekend coming up. Anything you're looking forward to? I feel like it's been a lot of negativity, including for me about just like the weirdness of the format. Nobody's doing a dunk contest. Give me one good thing that you're looking forward to about the weekend.
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James Edwards
I kind of got like a wrestling slash, like Royal Rumble pop. Like I got excited when I saw Dame was doing the three point contest.
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Dave Defour
Yes.
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James Edwards
Like, I'm really like looking forward to that. As a basketball fan, I love watching Dame. It makes sense that he's able to do this. It's stationary shooting. It's been. It's been a bit since his injury, but it's just good to see Dame. Like, Dame is one of the good dudes in the NBA. He's one of the fun guys to watch. I don't know. It's hard. He's one of those guys that you just kind of root for. Like, he plays the right way. He's fun. He. His relationship with Portland is very cool. So it's just good to see Dame. I'm excited to see Dame. And shout out to. Let's. I need my guy, Jace Richardson. Shout out to Michigan State. You see the hat? I need him to. I need him to do what his daddy did in all those dunk contests years ago and bring it home for the fourth guy.
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Zena Keda
Dave.
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Dave Defour
We were trying to figure out Jace Richardson. We couldn't remember on.
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James Edwards
On the shoot around this like a disrespect.
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Dave Defour
Well, it's not really. It's not really that. It's more just more marketing, respectfully, who I hope does well. I'm assuming we're gonna see Jason Richardson do something out there. So always that's the funnest part about the All Star Game. And this is why the Damian Lillard thing is cool is because it is when everybody comes back. So I don't know. I I there's been a lot of hand wringing about an injured guy being in it. But I'm with you James. I think it's awesome. I I think James is awesome. Guys. Go and read them over at the Athletic James Edwards thank you so much. Thanks to Xena Keda. I'm Dave Deforder, this is Ben the NBA Daily. Thanks for hanging out with us.
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