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Dave Dufour
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Zena Keda
Morning Dave.
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Dave Dufour
Another show. We had a couple good games last night, but unfortunately got a little bit of news and update on Kyrie Irving. He's going to miss the rest of the season and likely a large portion of next year. Got a torn acl. You know, he injured the leg on Monday night going up for a layup. You know, just something that again, he's probably done 10 million times in his life. Freak occur current. So yeah, Zena, he's going to be out for the year. The Mavs just completely snake bitten.
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Zena Keda
The list of everything that's happened to the Dallas Mavericks, particularly since Luka Doncic was traded, is surreal. Like it really feels as if the plague has descended upon them and this is just another notch in that, but it's probably the biggest one when you think about Kyrie Irving in the story of what this was supposed to be. Of course Luke is at the center, but Kyrie was that next big chapter. And then you add in Klay Thompson and now all that's left is Klay. And there's something eerie about that when you think about what Klay Thompson went through towards the end of his time with the warriors. With His ACL tear and him being sidelined for a year. And now you've got Kyrie Irving also not being able to carry the torch on after Luca in Dallas. But it's heartbreaking overall for the story of the Dallas Mavericks. But I think, if anything, heartbreaking for Kyrie, watching him take those last two free throws, thanking God. And I believe he's. He's going through Ramadan right now as well, so he might also be fasting as. I mean, there was something spiritual in that moment, as from him thanking God in the most vulnerable period of. Of his, you know, injury. It was just surreal.
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Dave Dufour
Yeah.
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Zena Keda
I just hope he gets better soon.
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Dave Dufour
Yeah. The Mavericks, like, I really thought, you know, the Luca trade didn't end their season. It just, I think, stunted their future. Kyrie's injury, that. That's a wrap, not a wrap. LeBron James, his career just. I. I think it has no end in sight.
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Zena Keda
Yeah.
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Dave Dufour
He was named Western Conference Player of the Month yesterday, and he also, in the game and the win against the Pelicans, became the first NBA player to score 50,000 points combined regular season and postseason. I mean, that's. That's a number that's likely never going to be touched again. Just when you consider the longevity of his career, 22 years, he also poured in, so he. I guess he has now because he had 34 points in the game, eight rebounds, six assists, so, you know, he's already on the way to 51,000.
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Zena Keda
Zena, that's actually. It's stupid. It's just like. It's ridiculous. And I'm happy you mentioned longevity, because Yovon Buha also wrote about this accomplishment, and he mentioned the longevity, but the word that he used, that's really real and I think underscored here is availability.
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Dave Dufour
Yeah.
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Zena Keda
We do not talk enough about how much LeBron James has made himself available to even score those points out on the court over the course of his career. And also being able to see his career now potentially at the twilight, him still playing in his prime, not only from a physical factor. Right. We see him playing with the same vigor, the same just ferociousness on the court that he had when he was in his prime, we're also seeing this elevated level of cerebral play and tactical play and methodical play. And so combining the two of them at the age of 40, hitting 50,000 points, and it's still going like we are still seeing these Herculean efforts night in, night out from LeBron, it's. We're so lucky to be able to watch something like this.
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Dave Dufour
Yeah. So in February, he averaged 29 points a game, shot 55% from the field, 44% from three, ten and a half rebounds, seven assists a steal. He had two 40 point games, which is now the most for any player over the age of 40, because Michael Jordan only did it once and The Lakers were 9 and 2. And so a lot of this was also before Luca even got there. By the way, Luca had 30 and 15 in the game last night for, you know, casual. Since we're talking about the game. Yeah. But, you know, LeBron's legitimately made a strong case for all NBA, in my.
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Zena Keda
Absolutely.
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Dave Dufour
In my opinion, all NBA first team. Not just all NBA. I think all NBA first team. And, you know, they're the two seed. They. They keep winning. I think he's going to be on the MVP ballot for a lot of people, and rightfully so. I mean, he, you know, he has kept this above water when Anthony Davis was hurt, obviously, this whole transition moving over to the Luka Doncic era, this has just been a masterclass of a season. And he's 40 and it's a masterclass.
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Zena Keda
In leadership, too, being able to adjust through those periods. And particularly this new addition of Luka Doncic. You could have said that it wouldn't have worked, especially the way he was rolling in February. And now to see the both of them, you know, coexisting beautifully, it's. It's unfair for the league.
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Dave Dufour
It's fun, though. I mean, the Lakers, all of a sudden, they became. And not that they weren't even good, but now they're so compelling.
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Zena Keda
That's what I'm. Exactly.
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Dave Dufour
Yeah, but they're so compelling. They're so fun to watch. I mean, Luca blocks a three pointer, gets the. Gets his own, Gets the own rebound, falling out of bounds, bounces off the guy's head, and then points the other direction. And the crowd is going wild. And you can just see like LeBron is loving this too. It's awesome. Lakers games are just an extravaganza. Again, it's. The Lakers are back. Yeah, the Lakers are back. Speaking of back, I gotta. I gotta admit something to you guys. Sometimes we have to change the show up based on, you know, what happens. We thought our game of the night was going to be Warriors, Knicks. You know, it's this new warriors team is their first real test against a real good team. And then Carl Anthony Towns is out. Okay, well, you know what? The Knicks are still really good. Okay, well, the warriors won that game. They're 9 and 1 with Jimmy Butler, but way less compelling than what became our game of the night. Phoenix Suns. Yeah, they were absolutely pathetic. To quote Stan Van Gundy. Their defense was pathetic to start this game. They were down. It was 18 at the halftime. They. They were down as much as 23. And they came back Xena, because they're not as pathetic as we thought. They showed a lot of grit. 119, 117. They picked up the win. And I. I think we're going to start in the oddest place we could possibly start. Because when you've got. Look, remember they started the year. This is the second. Or excuse me, this is the. Yes, the second biggest payroll in sports. Right. It was $409 million to start the year. So who do you think the hero of this game is? Of course a two way player.
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Zena Keda
Exactly. You would think people pushing up that payroll.
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Dave Dufour
Yeah. You know what's nice, man? Look, when you're a two way player, it's March. You're not on the opposing team. Scouting report. Colin Gillespie came in, scored 10 points in the fourth. You know, help. Help build that comeback. But, but Zena, look, they've got an opportunity. They are three games back in the Mavericks. The Maverick season looks like it's done. They have to play better than they played in the first half of this game. But I think the signs of life that we saw in the second half, it's worth being a little bit optimistic about that. That's a positive.
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Zena Keda
Absolutely. But we, I think we all know that Phoenix has the material, Phoenix has the tools and the components. It's about being able to execute and being able to put it all together. Right. I mean, everyone saw that first half. If you looked at social media during the midst of that game, everyone was ripping on Phoenix. And also everyone was dissecting Phoenix. Looking at every little interaction on the court, on the bench, figuring out like, this team is done, there's no chemistry, they're not playing hard, they're not competitive, etc. Everyone saw it. It was as if they went in the locker room in the, in the second half, maybe in the third quarter, someone passed out phones. It was like, you see what they're saying about you. You see what they're saying? They're saying that you're not competitive, that you don't want to win a championship. This is what they're saying. And then they specifically said, and Colin, they don't think you're worth the 409 million that's been on this roster. Like, let's, let's Figure it out. And they came out like re. Energized. It was actually really encouraging and inspiring. But it still leaves the question of what is the culture of Phoenix? What do they stand under? Because it was funny when Stan Van Gundy said that this team is pathetic. The very next line was due to a turnover by the play by play announcer. That said, he said, and that's Clippers basketball. It made me immediately go, what's Phoenix basketball?
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Dave Dufour
That's a great question, Xena. Well, you know, I don't want to be the guy who goes to the leadership thing because we've already done that this year with Kevin Durant. I mean, we did a whole podcast about it because other people talked about the leadership. It's not a leadership issue. It is an identity issue, though.
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Zena Keda
And that's what I'm thinking. That's what I'm thinking. What do they look like?
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Dave Dufour
This is look, you know, they fire their coach, you know, and they bring, they, they fire Frank Vogel, they bring in Mike Budenhoser, and I'm not sure what they really expected him to be able to do. Like it was. There's a roster construction issue, of course, like Yusuf Nurkic didn't work out for them.
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Zena Keda
Right.
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Dave Dufour
Bradley Beal hasn't been, you know, that addition hasn't worked out for them as. But just the lack of like just compete, just not working hard defensively has been odd. Like who is, who is their leader on the court? I think KD does lead this team and he leads them by example. But like they're, they need someone. And not to say every team needs a Draymond Green or a Dylan Brooks, but don't they need a guy like with a little bit of edge or something?
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Zena Keda
If anything, what they need is a brand to fall back on so that regardless of if they had a guy, if that guy's not playing well, if that guy get gets ejected, if that guy is just not available for that night, they still can fall back on whatever that brand is. So for example, the Clippers can fall back on their defense, right? They can fall back on their ability to get in passing lanes and things of that sort, deflections, etc. You can go around the association and say, if, even if your stars aren't playing, this is what you can expect out of this team. And I think that right now, if Kevin Durant's not playing well, or if Devin Booker is not playing well, or if Bradley Beal's not playing well, I don't know what it is that Phoenix falls back on that, you know, what's.
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Dave Dufour
Missing, their identity is they're the team that, that doesn't play that hard and sometimes gets blown out a little bit and then they will just flip the switch and hit 10 straight shots. Right? They can hit 10 jump shots in a row.
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Zena Keda
They can score.
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Dave Dufour
That's their calling card. But that's the thing that, that we held them up to a hot. Like we basically said, this team when it gets to the playoffs is going to be tough to beat because Booker and Beal and obviously Kevin Durant, they can all hit the mid range, they can all hit the three, they can all get to the basket and. But they don't have the pieces around them to even get you there. So man, that's a great point, Cena. I love that a team with no identity, but they got a big win. And by the way, look, crazier things that have, have happened than a team that has guys like Kevin Durant and Devin Booker making a playoff run out of the play in like we've seen teams make it from the play into the finals. What if they did it be a great story anyway. Yeah, guys, stick around. After the break, I sat down with Christian Clark and we just, I don't know, we were sad with the news of Kyrie Irving's ACL tear. We had to bring Christian Clark back out to commiserate. Christian, the snake bitten season just won't stop for the Mavericks. Obviously we, we all saw, you know, Kyrie going up for a layup, hyper extended the knee and you know, then he goes and shoots the free throws. It was extremely emotional. I'm sure, you know, it was for you there watching it. What's the immediate fallout around the team with Kyrie's injury and I guess like, you know, when's he going to have surgery?
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Christian Clark
Yeah, I was sitting super close to the court when it happened. I mean it was very emotional. He had to be. He immediately knew something is wrong. He immediately signaled, you know, hey, I need medical attention. It looked like his teammates were going to help him into the tunnel. They kind of wheeled back around, he made those two free throws and then he left the court. You know, they called it a knee sprain and you could tell right away it's like it's probably something worse than a knee sprain. Medical imaging confirmed torn acl. I think the outlook for this team is, you know, when they, when they made the Luka Doncic for Anthony Davis trade, Nico Harrison went on the record and says, look, we've got a three to four year window. I don't care about 10 years from now, but we've got three to four years here to contend. And Kyrie Irving's left knee injury not only erases one of those years, it likely erases two of those years from that contention window. You know, this is something that's likely going to impact him into next season. If we're talking about a 9 to 12 month recovery timeline.
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Dave Dufour
Yeah, and that's just to get back on the court. You know, we know from experience with these guys, it usually is an 18 month process for a guy to be back to his normal self. And, and you're talking about Kyrie Irving, who by that point is going to be like 35 years old coming back from an ACL. So, you know, in my opinion, when they made this trade, it was a two year window. And I think actually that two year window kind of just went out the window. How do they pivot, I guess this season? You know, I mean, they, they still are the 10 seed in the West. They're fighting, I'm assuming, to stay in the play in. We're waiting on an update from all of the injured centers that they've got. So, I mean, what is the immediate future for, for the Dallas Mavericks?
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Christian Clark
There's not a good pivot move forward. I mean, it's, it's just go with what you got and try to get the 10 seed. I mean, they got a three and a half game lead over the Suns. I mean, it's, it's a pretty big lead of 20 games to play, but I mean, I could definitely see them getting passed at this point. There's, there's just not really any hope for them in the postseason. I mean, you know, I think one of the, the obvious effects of the Luka Doncic trade was this puts an enormous creation load on Kyrie Irving, who's going to turn 33 years old later this month. You know, I think it's just a lot of responsibility on the court, but I think the other factor was it's a lot of wear and tear in his body too. I mean, you know, he's averaging 39 minutes per game in his 10 games before he got hurt. I mean, that's just a huge workload on a guy who's, I mean, obviously a brilliant basketball player, but has not been the most durable guy in his career. He's not the biggest guy either. I mean, yeah, Luka was just a tank. Luka was a workhorse. I mean, you could just give him the ball so many possessions and count on him for 70 games every year. And it's like, he's going to be good just because he was so big. I mean, he's built like an SEC tight end. Like, Kyrie is not built like that. You know, he's. He's just not been as durable in his career. And, I mean, this was beyond unfortunate.
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Dave Dufour
Yeah, I mean, look, and it's a freak play, right? Like, Kyrie Irving has. Has shot, I don't know, millions of layups and just things happen. What's the latest on Anthony Davis? I mean, he's still out with that adductor issue. I mean, is he. Is he doing three on three or is he doing any basketball stuff? I know that they're going to update us on Thursday, so.
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Christian Clark
Yeah, I asked Jason Kidd, you know, the Mavericks first practice after the All Star break. Hey, what's going on with ad? Have you guys ruled out surgery? His answer at the time was, no, we have not rolled out surgery. He said, we're going to give you guys an update on March 6th. So that means on Thursday, we should have an update on Anthony Davis. Daniel Gafford, Derek Lively. Anthony Davis was with the team on their most recent road trip, doing the lightest of shooting possible. And I'm saying he wasn't even leaving his feet on. He was shooting jumpers. I mean, to me, he did not look like a guy who was especially close to being back. And I do think it's fair to wonder, does Kyrie's injury impact, you know, AD and if he tries to make a return this year? Because at this point, it's like, for what you're gonna try to make, you're gonna try to rush back. For what?
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Dave Dufour
Yeah, I mean, and also, I mean, if there's. If they can fall into the lottery, they still have their pick, right? I mean, and this is a team that's drafted well. I mean, Derek Lively obviously was a. A later pick. I. I don't think that that's outside the realm of possibility. How would the fans, you know, who've had already, I mean, so many things dumped on him between the Luca, you know, rug pull and now an 80s injury and now Kyrie's injury and the rise in the season ticket prices, how would they handle just tanking the rest of the season?
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Christian Clark
I think they would probably understand it. I mean, it's like, what. What more can you do? I mean, we were. We were redlining Kyrie, and he tore his acl. I mean, if that's not assigned to just kind of punt, I don't know what is. I mean, it's kind of amazing. I mean, all of this has unfolded in about 10 weeks. On Dec. 23, the Mavericks beat the Trail Boys at home. Kyrie and Luca both played in that game. They were 19 and 10. They had a number four offense in the number 11 defense. You know, kind of a profile of they might not have been the favorites to come out of the West. Like that's probably OKC all year long, but like they had a profile of this can be a contending team. Two days later on Christmas, Luka left cap strain. And then they kind of kicks all this off. You know, the trade is early February and then this Kyrie thing and it's like it's a scenario where in a matter of 10 weeks, it's like you had a great short term outlook and a great long term outlook and now you have neither of those things.
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Dave Dufour
Yeah, look, this team went to the finals last year. I think that they had a great shot to make the finals again. And this now obviously we're on a whole different trajectory. So what do they do this summer? You know, they're going to be looking at a season without Kyrie Irving next year ad potentially maybe having surgery, but you assume he'd be healthy to start next season. They got Daniel Gafford, they've got Derek Lively. It feels like maybe one of those guys is going to have to be included in a, in a trade if this team wants to be competitive next season.
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Christian Clark
It's going to be really interesting to see. I mean, Kyrie Irving has a player option for I think about $46 million. You know, what kind of deal is he going to sign? Is he, will he align himself contractually with Anthony Davis, who's got two more years after this plus a player option? Will he just take the most money possible and go for five years? I mean, we just take the player option. I genuinely don't know at this point.
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Dave Dufour
Do you think they would offer him a five year deal with the ACL at his age? I mean, if they were hesitant with Kyra, with Luca, Right. And they're saying, you know, all of the stuff that we've heard, right, all of the spin coming out of, of Dallas, we didn't think his long term outlook was great. We didn't believe in his health. We didn't believe he was going to take his fitness seriously. And now you've got Anthony Davis, who is 31 years old and obviously injury prone and you're going to have 33 going into 34 year old Kyrie Irving coming off an ACL, that just doesn't seem like a great investment. I mean, if, if they're actually telling the truth that they didn't feel like they could pay Luka Doncic, seems like that same thing would pop up for Kyrie now.
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Christian Clark
And look, that's what people were saying, like minutes after they made the trade. It's like, you know, you guys, you guys don't want to invest in this guy. And I think, you know, the Athletic has reported they had concerns about Lucas availability long term. It's like, yeah, but we're building this around two guys with, with worse injury histories than Luca. You know, Luca, he's in there 65 plus games every single year. I mean, until this year, he'd never missed a double digit amount of games consecutively. I mean, it just didn't make sense in the time. And now it feels like they are almost going to be forced in the situation where it's like, I think, I think they have to pay Kyrie because it's like, I mean, what else do you have in terms of ball handling? I mean, without Luka, it's like it's Spencer Dinwiddie. I mean, it's Jaden Hardy.
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Dave Dufour
Yeah.
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Christian Clark
Like, Najee Marshall got a start at point guard. You know, at one point, like, there's just not like the, the creation that you would want. Maybe that's something they can address with the trade this summer, but I mean, it feels like they got to do something to just add more on ball creation to this roster in time for next year.
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Dave Dufour
Well, let's talk about, in my opinion, the hall of Famer in the room, Kevin Durant. I mean, we heard right after the deadline that they would love to get him there. Him and Kyrie would like to play together again. He checks some of those boxes. I, I personally think it's a weird fit if you don't have Kyrie. But is there a possibility that, that this drives Dallas to, to push harder to get KD this summer? Yeah.
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Christian Clark
From everything I've heard that, you know, Dallas has kind of downplayed this, this KD idea, but I, I totally get, you know, why people see it. I mean, team Nike. First of all, it was also kind of interesting that, you know, right after they made the Luca trade, Kyrie talked about, hey, back in 2018, me, Kevin Durant and Anthony Davis talked about playing together in Boston. He said, we wanted to be teammates in 2018. That was something that the Kyrie brought up on his own. You know, in the days right after the trade, which I thought was kind of interesting, you know, I guess KD helps you win, creator score, but you know, having to hollow out your depth to get there. You know, like the, the Mavericks medium sized salary pieces are Daniel Gafford, Klay Thompson, P.J. washington. Does that make you better? If you are like getting rid of these good players in these medium sized deals and bringing in kd?
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Dave Dufour
Yeah. Clay is the guy that, that a lot of people point to as, you know, that big contract that they would be able to move. But I mean, you gotta be. You gotta find a team that's once Klay Thompson at that money. And where does Klay Thompson fit? I mean, I don't know, maybe they can send him to the Lakers for next to nothing.
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Christian Clark
That was one team he was looking at. You know, I wonder, I wonder if you gave Klay Thompson. True, sir. What he's thinking about these, these past 10 weeks.
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Dave Dufour
I mean, imagine, right?
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Christian Clark
Yeah, yeah. I mean, I'm sure he was thinking, hey, I'm gonna spend my, my mid to late 30s getting these sweet feeds from Luca Doncic. Like, this is a great basketball situation. I mean, it's like, whoops, you know, you played with him, now he's watching.
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Dave Dufour
Don't connect to it. It. Austin. Luca's out there. Austin Reeves looks like Jerry West. It's. It's insane. The Luca bump for the Lakers has just been. It's got to be infuriating for you to watch Christian.
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Christian Clark
I, Yeah, I mean, I got to cover Luca for five, six games. And I thought I was signing up for this for, for the long haul. I mean, look, it. It's sickening to me to see Luca Donjich in purple and gold. It's like, how did the Lakers, you know, end up with this? And, and we just think about the sequence of events that led to this happening. It's like, okay, the Mavericks really wanted Anthony Davis. Well, why was Anthony Davis as a Laker? Because LeBron James was a Laker. Why was LeBron James a Laker? Just because he wanted to spend the final chapter of his career in Los Angeles. I mean, all this, A lot of this happened. I mean, Mavericks never had to make this trade, and I don't think they should have. But a lot of this happened because LeBron James just decided, I just want to spend the last chapter of my career in Los Angeles.
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Dave Dufour
The weather's amazing. I don't blame them. Christian Clark, thanks a lot, man. I appreciate you go and read, Christian. For all the fallout for this cursed season for the Mavericks. And of course, as they, you know, start watching the lottery, man, Christian, get get ready for some draft prospect work, buddy. You're gonna have a great time. For Xena Keda for Christian Clark, I'm Dave Dufour and this has been the NBA Daily. Appreciate you guys listening. Thanks for waking up with us.
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Christian Clark
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Dave Dufour
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Christian Clark
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Christian Clark
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Dave Dufour
Hey guys. Welcome to Giggly Squad, a place where we make fun of everything, but most importantly ourselves. I'm Paige desorbo. I'm Hannah Berner. Welcome to the Squad.
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Christian Clark
Giggly Squad started on Summer House when we were giggling during an inappropriate time.
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Dave Dufour
But of course we can't be managed.
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Christian Clark
So we decided to start this podcast.
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Dave Dufour
To continue giggling, we will make fun of pop culture news. We're watching fashion trends pep talks where we give advice, mental health moments and games and guests. Listen to Giggly Squad on Acast or.
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Christian Clark
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Dave Dufour
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Christian Clark
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