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Zena Keda
Hello and welcome to the NBA Daily for June 29th, 2026. I'm Zena Keda, joined by Dave Defore and Esperahini. And we have to talk about the upcoming free agency that's about to happen before July 1st. This could be a very weird one. We're going to break it all down right now. Dave S. It's been a minute. What's up?
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Dave
How's it going?
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Dave S.
Yeah, the off season, we've kind of scattered into the wind, so to speak.
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Zena Keda
Yeah, yeah, very much so. Very much so. I mean, but it's, it's starting to take shape in that free agency is going to open up officially tomorrow and there's already been a two time MVP to, to move. Giannis is now in Miami Heat. Um, we know the Knicks are champs and they're not going to have a lot of movement there, but there's going to be a lot of big, big names still left that need to be signed somewhere. And I kind of want to start our conversation about the off season slash free agency there. Jaylen Brown, been seeing him make headlines in Cannes in France putting on, you know, presentations. All the above folks are wondering, okay, yes, he can put on these presentations, he can go on Twitch, he can do all that. But where is he going to play basketball next year especially?
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Dave S.
It's not going to be Boston.
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Zena Keda
It does.
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Dave S.
It feels like that's done, right? I wonder, I wonder how much the streaming contributed to this.
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Zena Keda
Right.
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Dave S.
Like, I know I've been making the joker well, but it does feel like he's just been very vocal the last few months, right. Since they got eliminated. And I don't know how that's been sitting with the team because it just feels very odd that all of a sudden Jaylen Brown is just, all right, we got to move him. You know, if you're the Boston Celtics, we got to move this guy that carried us all year long, sixth place in the MVP vote. It does feel kind of out of nowhere.
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Zena Keda
Let's Put, let's put that in context. He's coming off the best year of his career. Almost 28 points, 7 rebounds, 5 assists a game, 56 wins for Boston, as you mentioned, sixth place in MVP voting. And Brad Stevens came out and said that he acknowledged the fact that there would be this potential conversation around him being involved in the Giannis trade and that adds to the fuel s. It feels like it adds to the fire of, oh yeah, he's probably not going to be here if they're already having those conversations. So because of this, you know, that rumor mill, the fact that he was even on the chopping block, as you could say for Giannis, does it feel like the Brown Boston marriage, including, you know, Jayson Tatum, has that been broken?
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Dave
Yes, it's over. Yeah, I think it's over. It's also, you know, what stage he's at in his career. Right. This isn't, this isn't when he was getting traded or in trade room rumors for Kevin Durant or Anthony Davis. Like, this is him after a Finals mvp. Him after MVP votes, like Dave said. And, and an all NBA level player. Like, I think he views himself differently and honestly, I don't, I, I don't blame him. You know, I, I think there's ultimately, there's sort of the grass is greener on the other side aspect that players tend to look at, especially star players who have never been given the opportunity to be a number one option on a team. He's probably thinking he could be better than the All NBA 6, an MVP voting type of guy, and I don't blame him for necessarily having that approach. The question is where can he get that game off? Like, where is, where is the place that Jalen Brown thinks is the next spot for him? And I'm, I don't know if he'll have as much control of his destination as some of these other stars do, but I'm pretty curious where he ends up because he could fit in a lot of different places and with.
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Dave S.
The thing is, he needs to go to a place that's ready to compete. Like, this isn't, like, you know, I don't know, let's throw a name out there of a team that's kind of on the way up. Like, he's got to go to like Houston, right? Yeah, I mean, I think Detroit would make sense because he goes there, they're instantly in the Finals conversation. I think Atlanta makes a lot of sense. Right. There's pieces that he can go play with. The, the, the question is, what's the value look like, you know, it feels like we're in a very weird player value environment. I mean, Lamelo goes, well, according to
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Dave
the analytics, he's no better than this.
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Dave S.
This thing is pretty n. You know, was it Bobby Marks that said this? He talked to an analytics guy and that they had him as the seventh best player or something? And if your analytics tell you the model is wrong, Jaylen Brown. Right. Your model is wrong.
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Zena Keda
What did Josh Hart come out and say about analytics? Guys, look up that quote if you want to look into it.
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Dave S.
But.
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Zena Keda
Yes, continue, Dave.
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Dave S.
I mean, listen, your analytics are just straight up wrong if you think Jaylen Brown was the seventh best player on the Celtics last year.
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Dave
Well, Jaylen Brown also was just like, you're. You know, you guys are playing AI hoops if you think I'm the seventh best player.
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Dave S.
I mean, it is fast. Fascinating, though, because I do think that, you know, whatever's happening next season, like, Jalen Brown's gonna have an outsized impact on it depending on the team that he goes to. Again, if he was. Was to go to Houston, he solves so many problems for them. I mean, what if Orlando could get Jalen Brown? He'd be great, you know, right.
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Dave
I.
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Dave S.
There's a lot of spots where he fits and he's such a good player and he plays both ways that he should have tremendous value. I mean, he's in, like, theoretically, he's in his prime, but he also is maybe at the peak of his value as a player. And so if you're Boston and you're saying we need to make a move, this is the summer to do it, because he just came off this great season, like, you might actually get more for him than you would. If it goes another year, let's say I'll.
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Dave
Zena, I know you're itching right now. I just want to give out like four teams. I don't want to get everybody's thoughts for Jalen Brown.
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Dave S.
Let's do it.
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Zena Keda
I just. I personally think it's only itching from the perspective of what you're probably going to mention through listing these teams is. Dave, you said outsize. It's the ask right now for Jalen, right?
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Dave S.
Yeah.
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Zena Keda
Reported four first round draft picks. I mean, it's a lot of money. 183 million over three years for potentially a number two. But s tell us what teams could potentially do this.
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Dave
So I think it has to be a team that believes he can be the number one offensive guy, but has the infrastructure to maybe facilitate some of the areas where he's not good at, so playmaking, honestly, like just a secondary ball handler, someone who can control the pace and tempo of the game, etc. Like, I think that's very important to this. And so the Atlanta Hawks jump out to me immediately because they're a team that doesn't necessarily have that number one scoring option. They leaned on CJ McCollum as their guy. Imagine now Jalen Brown being that guy for them. And they have the defense, they have the versatile utility knife type of gu that can jump in and do all of the ancillary things, and Brown can just be your hired weapon. The other guy. The other team that makes a lot of sense for me is the Portland Trailblazers, because. And this has been reported ad nauseam
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Dave S.
already, they don't want to give anything up, apparently, which is just good luck, which is tough.
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Dave
But. But he makes a lot of sense next to a guy like Denny Abdia. They're also young. They're kind of rising. I think it would make sense for. For him to be sort of that guy to take them to the next level. You guys mentioned the. The Detroit Pistons. I know we're going to talk about Jalen Duran a little bit later.
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Dave S.
Yeah.
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Dave
But a Jalen Dern for Jalen Brown swap would be pretty interesting to me. I think that would be intriguing for
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Zena Keda
both sides, you know, especially with what Boston needs. Yes.
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Dave S.
Right. It's. It's tricky, I think, for Detroit, though, because they just got rid of Isaiah Stewart. Right.
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Dave S.
So losing. Losing Isaiah Stewart, actually moving Isaiah Stewart to create space to get a guy. I think if you now move on from Duran, your big man, I mean, you're. You're going to have Paul Reed, who is probably not a starter, so you're going to have to go out and figure that out. Maybe they wind up with Miles Turner, since it seems like he's available. That's. That's a ton of money, though, for a guy that I don't know. I mean, that's a downgrade from Duran, in my opinion.
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Dave
Sure.
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Dave S.
So it's. That's tricky. And also it's the idea that you're punting on Jalen Duran, who was just all NBA and I know, like, he had this bad playoff run.
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Dave
He's also super young.
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Dave S.
Yeah. So it feels like you're. You're kind of selling short on Jalen Duran. But, you know, the. The reports say that the Pistons are not interesting coming up with the right number for Jalen Duran. And so Jalen Duran might be A guy who goes out and gets a restricted offer. And so if you're Detroit and you're saying we can't match that number or we don't want to match that number, then the Jalen Brown trade makes a lot of sense. I just don't know. It feels like a step back for Detroit from a. From a team building perspective, because now you're going all in. Like, you got to go win.
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Dave
I could. I could sell myself on basically, like, 28 teams. Being interested in Jalen Brown. I just thought of another one that I want to throw out to you guys. Oh, okay.
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Dave S.
Let's go.
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Dave
How about the Denver Nuggets?
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Dave S.
Man, he would be great there.
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Dave
Oh, like, you swap. Maybe you can swap Jamal Murray and Aaron Gordon for Jalen Brown.
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Dave S.
I. I like.
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Zena Keda
Is that a lot, though?
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Dave S.
It is kind of a lot. Guys.
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Dave
Is it a lot?
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Dave S.
Okay. He's very important, but he's also injured. Injury.
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Zena Keda
Yeah, right.
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Dave S.
Yeah, a lot of injury issues. Same with Jamal Murray, especially late in. In the season. Jamal Murray might be one of. I mean, last year, coming into the season, we were saying the Jamal Murray contract might be one of the worst in basketball. And I think that with the playoffs run that he had, a lot of people probably feel like that contract's not great.
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Dave
Yeah.
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Dave S.
So I don't know that. That Denver has enough to get Jalen Brown.
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Dave
Sure, sure. That makes sense, too.
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Dave S.
That's like. Yeah, but I like the fit there.
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Dave
So, like, him and Jokic is. Is perfect, right?
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Dave S.
Absolutely. And the problems that Denver runs into, I don't think Jalen Brown has those issues. Right. Like Jaylen. You never have to worry about Jalen Brown not delivering or at least, you know, not. Not taking shots, not being healthy. Right, right, exactly. I think he fits there tremendously. I love the. The idea of him playing off of Jokic. Yeah. Who else? Come on. That's a good one. Denver's a good one.
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Dave
There's. There's. So you could convince yourself of so many teams with Jalen Brown. I guess that's why there's. There's this arms race that's going to happen because, like, will. Will anybody meet Boston's demands?
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Zena Keda
You know, that's what it comes down to. With pretty much all of these available headline players, it's. Does your offer sheet match? Does you know, whether it's picks, whether it's money, is it going to be worth it? The Jamal Murray hurts my heart, though. The loyalty that Denver should be showing is just. Where. Where's that? Okay, let's talk about Another player a little bit older, but also someone that is absolutely still performing at his age, and that's Kawhi Leonard. He's got one year left at $50 million with the Clippers, but it feels like with all of this drama starting since before last season.
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Dave
Planting trees, baby.
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Zena Keda
Planting trees. Right. It feels like the Kawhi Leonard story with the Clippers needs to end.
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Dave S.
Will we ever get any sort of resolution on this? We might retire by the time this season might be.
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Zena Keda
The resolution is just removing during the
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Dave S.
final organization during the finals. I heard that we were going to find out the results of this investigation before the draft. That's what I was told. And now we're pushing free agency. What is this thing? You know? What, going to be a summer league?
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Dave
No, the. The question he's. He leaves in summer league very poetically, like he did in 2019.
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Dave S.
Like he signed.
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Dave
I. What if this is part of the punishment? What if the arbitrators have said, hey, man, like, the best way to do this is for him to be off of this team? You know, I don't know.
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Dave S.
Let's get into the. The Clippers have a natural pivot here, right? Like, they just got Keaton Wagler. Right. Like they get the. The number. Yeah, right. They've got Garland. They. They've probably gonna bring back Matheran. Right. They've got all these young guys, and so it is a natural pivot point. You mentioned Kawhi is an expiring contract, but I do think that whoever he winds up with, he's going to want an extension.
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Zena Keda
Right. But he's also limiting. He's limiting and dictating where he's extending with. Right. Like he's. He's put Toronto on that short list. So s. I'm looking at you to see what that would look like. But also he's saying that he's not going to extend if he gets traded to a team like Detroit, for example. So it's interesting, as much as it feels like the Clippers should be the one being able to pivot and make that decision, Kawhi is still absolutely steering the wheel on this whole thing. So let's think about this. S. A Kawhi Leonard Scotty Barnes reunion in Toronto. Scotty Barnes, a little bit older, proven that he is absolutely an A type player. Is this something that we're. We're thinking about? Is this something we're romanticizing, Thinking in theory, like, what could that actually look like?
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Dave S.
I'm very curious here.
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Dave
The only person remaining in the Raptors actually there's two people remaining in the Raptors organization from their 2019 championship. It's Bobby Webster, the guy who traded for Kawhi Leonard.
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Dave S.
Yeah.
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Dave
And Alex McKechnie, the guy who made the trainer, who made Kawhi Leonard survive that season. And so it's basically like the two main guys who were dealing with Kawhi for all of that year was also
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Dave S.
Jacob Portal, who was traded for Kawhi.
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Dave
Yeah, he was traded for Kawhi. That's true. He could be traded for Kawhi again, which would be funny. I think this is all leverage. I'm going to be honest with you. I think this, whether especially him stating that he wants to go either back to San Antonio or Toronto and sign a contract extension, I think this is all a play for the Clippers to eventually pay up. And so what does that look like from the Clippers perspective? Are they willing to invest in a guy who obviously is coming off of a great year but is looking for max money, maybe in the 3 year to 4 year range? Does that make sense for them? And then for Toronto and San Antonio, how much are you willing to pay in order to take this swing? And do you believe in the infrastructure, everything that you have afterwards in order to win a championship? Personally, I think Kawhi makes a lot of sense for San Antonio if they just like Keldon Johnson and pick and you're like in the door. But that's not what the Clippers are going to do for Kawhi Leonard. Right.
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Dave S.
I don't know though.
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Dave
You.
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Dave S.
I don't think, I don't think the spurs are going to give up Carter Bryant. Right. Like, I think that they see him as a part of their core going forward. Kawhi could slide into that four spot and play, you know, marvelously. It's an upgrade from champagne. If Kawhi is there.
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Dave
Yeah.
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Dave S.
I think he makes so much sense for San Antonio. But honestly, a lot of the Jalen Brown teams could be Kawhi teams.
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Dave
I agree.
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Zena Keda
Well, that's because they all can both play four.
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Dave S.
Right.
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Zena Keda
That's huge. Right.
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Dave S.
And. And they can handle. And they can score. They can create shots on their own. I think Kawhi in Denver is fascinating.
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Dave
Yeah.
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Dave S.
Yeah, fascinating.
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Dave
Well, this is the thing.
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Zena Keda
Anytime we keep putting teams on people in Denver, but Denver needs to do something.
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Dave
Right.
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Dave S.
I don't know if you guys seen Skinny Jokic. Yeah. Okay.
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Dave
Yeah.
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Dave S.
His off season. Oh, I'll say.
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Zena Keda
Okay.
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Dave S.
Yeah, he looks a little skinny again. He's looking like he's been in the in the gym.
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Zena Keda
Okay.
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Dave
I mean, last time he was motivated, you know, sure.
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Dave S.
Maybe something. Last time he looked like this was when they won a title.
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Zena Keda
I'm not giving up on this idea. I think, you know, Scotty Barnes missed that gap by two years. To be able to play with Kawhi, I feel like this is like big brother coming in. Like, I remember what you did. You're the goal. We can come together, do something together.
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Dave
Very poetic. Look, I will say I. I think from the Raptors perspective, it all depends on cost. Like, if they could just swap Brandon Ingram for Kawhi Leonard, they are a much better basketball team the next day. But that's just it. Just it. I don't know how much more they'd be willing to add to the. To the trade, you know?
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Zena Keda
Are we all on the same page, though? Even though this is still like a win now, Kawhi, I think, you know, he absolutely is a plug and play. This is more. So Kawhi is adding to a situation as opposed to becoming the one a guy, Right? Yeah. Okay.
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Dave S.
Stage of his career. You know, he's turning with 35 today. Sure.
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Dave
Happy birthday.
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Dave S.
So his age, 35 season, he's an expiring deal. We know. Like, his health history is, I would say, checkered at best. And what is that going to look like even this year?
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Dave
I mean, he just had, you don't
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Dave S.
know, like his healthiest season in forever.
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Zena Keda
And he was a 1A guy in clip the Clippers though.
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Dave S.
Right. And this would be the time again, similar to Jaylen Brown, this is the peak of his value in recent years and especially on an expiring deal. I mean, if you're Detroit and you're. And Kawhi is saying, saying, I won't sign an extension, well, then he got cheaper. And so if you go and get him, like, you're not going to give up as much if he's not going to.
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Dave
By the way, that is exactly what happened when the Raptors traded him in 2019. You know, they were like, oh, he's not going to sign an extension, but we'll trade him and we'll give it a shot. And that's it. Resulted in a championship.
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Zena Keda
So, yeah, let's take a break real quick. We're going to go back to some other headliners around the association that are also unrestricted or restricted free agents.
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Zena Keda
All right, y'. All, the main name that we did not mention just before, you know, we talked about Kawhi, we talked about Jalen, we got to talk about LeBron, obviously. Unrestricted free agent, 41 years old. The Lakers hold his Bird rights so they can pay him up to $58 million. Insane. And if he leaves, there's certain teams that could potentially, you know, deal with the mid level exception, you know, give him a little retirement opportunity somewhere else.
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Dave S.
Feels like signing train. Feels like signing trade time.
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Zena Keda
Right.
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Dave S.
Like, he's gonna need to make more than mid level. I mean, he's still legitimately still an all NBA level player at his age. It's not 80 games though, right. Like, it's, you probably are gonna be lucky to get 60 and have him ready for the playoffs. Yep, yep. So that's, I think, has to, has to come into play. Right. Like I will say, overspend on LeBron.
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Dave
I, I, I think there's three teams that he would go to outside of the Lakers, and it's only three teams.
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Dave S.
And Miami, Cleveland, and. What's the third? Golden State.
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Zena Keda
I was gonna say Golden State. The Warriors.
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Dave S.
Yeah, absolutely.
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Dave
It feels real enough to have to mention it. Absolutely.
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Dave S.
Golden State feels like leverage position to me. I understand. There's a lot of ways in which it checks the box. Right. It's a short flight from la. It's very close. It's still California, right?
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Zena Keda
Yeah. Nothing to do with that.
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Dave S.
Napa, right down the road. All right, I, I get it. The entire, you know, the idea of LeBron. I think LeBron respects Steph Curry quite a bit. I think that he would probably enjoy playing with them, but it's, it doesn't, I don't know, there's something about it that just doesn't feel like an actual fit from a personality and just player perspective. Like, how does LeBron actually fit with what they're doing? They're already so old. They're already so old. They already have a bunch of guys who are going to be lucky to play 60 games. Can you add another guy? I mean, Al Horford's coming back. Can you have.
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Dave
I think it would be great to have like a retirement team in the NBA. Like, that'd be cool.
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Zena Keda
I, I'm still not over the fact that every time you put these old guys together, whether it's at the Olympics, whether it's at All Star Games, they find a way to win.
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Dave
Yeah.
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Zena Keda
Now, you're absolutely right, though, Dave. The aspect of getting through an entire NBA season to get to the point where we could have the convers about winning. Yes. That is the focal point when it comes to the Golden State retirement team. Like, it's, it's a factor of just health over the course of the year. But you think about the fact that, you know, all you have to do is position yourself well enough to get either to a good play in position or number eight. I don't know if it's in the West. It's really hard, but. I don't know.
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Dave S.
It's hard.
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Dave
It's hard.
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Zena Keda
I don't know if it's out of, of concept for a team that has Jimmy butler, Stephen Curry, LeBron James, you know, if they bring back, I mean, Al Horford is obviously back, but you know, and potentially Draymond Green. It's like these guys are experts. They figure things out. They can absolutely strategize their way to enough wins to get to a playoffs. I don't think.
- [27:15]
Dave
Do you guys think Miami makes sense?
- [27:17]
Dave S.
Guys, I. Miami makes more sense than Golden State to me because they could actually really use LeBron. I think his creation obviously just makes a lot of sense.
- [27:27]
Dave
Yeah.
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Dave S.
And they have, they're going to have a good defense with, with, with Giannis and bam. Their offense is going to struggle. And I think LeBron, that's a good fit there. I think Cleveland also makes a lot of sense, like we talked about that in the playoffs, that the, like, the Cavs could have used LeBron, but again, there's only one basketball there. We don't know what's going to happen with James Harden. I think Donovan Mitchell, you know, is going to have a lot to say in whatever happens. But the Golden State thing just, to me is just. I don't even, like, I can't even start that conversation with, with myself. Right. It just, the fit is so weird. I, I think a team like, like a wild card team for LeBron to me would be like Detroit. No, but if he were to go there. But you see the fit, right? Like, sure, he could be another. Right. I think the basketball fit is there. It's the, it's the other stuff with LeBron that you always have to take into account and that's. I mean, personally, I think he's going to wind up in Cleveland if he leaves la. I just think it makes so much sense.
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Dave
I think of all the options, the Los Angeles Lakers makes the most sense. Like just re signing with them and hopefully on a, like, on something that's flexible enough for them to go out and build the rest of the roster. I know, I know it's, it's kind of unfair to be like, hey, LeBron James, you have to Take a pay cut. But at the same time, they do have to build out the roster. They have to get a starting center. They have to find a way to add more pieces to this group and around Luka Doncic. And I think there is a level of acceptance from LeBron, especially last year, you heard some of the quotes where it's like, this is Luca's team, you know.
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Zena Keda
Yeah.
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Dave S.
Well, they're built. They're built to get playoffs. Right.
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Zena Keda
Like, that's OKC series.
- [29:08]
Dave S.
Right. LeBron could play 40 games for the Lakers because they have so much creation.
- [29:12]
Dave
Absolutely.
- [29:12]
Dave S.
With Luca and with Austin Reeves. And I do think that. I mean, yeah, if he stays in la, that is for sure the best spot for him. Absolutely. Now, can they get a big. That's their thing. Like, will they have the money if they bring back LeBron, they're bringing back Austin Reeves at a huge number. Will they be able to go out and. I mean, can they make a trade and get Walker Kessler? I don't know. I don't know if they have the assets to do it. And I do think bringing LeBron back probably hurts you when it comes to. To finding a. You need a big man who can. Right?
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Dave
Because, like.
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Zena Keda
Go ahead.
- [29:49]
Dave
I was going to say, you know, the names that keep flying around for the Lakers are like Mitchell Robinson, you know, and Mitchell Robinson, he.
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Zena Keda
I don't.
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Dave
I don't think he can be a starting big 82 games anymore. You know, it's just. It's hard to find at a good price point for them if they want to resign LeBron. If you don't, then you have the capability of like trading for someone that has a bigger salary slot. Whether it will be a Miles Turner, I don't know. There's just. There's options there. If they do have that extra space versus if they don't and they decide to sign LeBron.
- [30:20]
Dave S.
Yeah.
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Zena Keda
I know we haven't mentioned Denver just yet, because we keep mentioning Denver, but there are rumors that the Los Angeles Lakers would be interested in trading for Cam Johnson.
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Dave S.
I mean, Cam.
- [30:34]
Zena Keda
Thoughts on that?
- [30:35]
Dave S.
Well, Cam Johnson is. Was such a perfect fit, we thought, for Denver, and it's the same reason that he would be a great fit there. On paper. It's. But he has to play better than he played for Denver last year. Right. They just laugh for sure. Right. And they need someone to hit the ground running, especially with Luca and Austin Reeves. I think they had such a disappointing end of their season with those guys being hurt. They've got to come out. Whoever they have has to be able to go day one. They need to bank wins early, in my opinion. Like, they need to just get out to a hot start because, you know, at some point, Luca's gonna miss some time. And if you bring LeBron back, you know he's not going to be available every single night.
- [31:15]
Dave
Yeah.
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Dave S.
And whoever they go out and get, I think Cam Johnson's ready to play. It's just. What's it going to look like if he looks like he did come playoff time? Because I thought he was much better for Denver at the. The back half of the year than the first half. Like we talked about. I think it. It makes a lot of sense, but their. Their number one priority has to be big man. Yep.
- [31:33]
Dave
Absolutely.
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Zena Keda
Okay, let's shift off of LeBron and talk a little bit about some starters that could go some other places. Tobias Harris comes to mind. We keep talking about Detroit picking someone up, but Tobias Harris, unrestricted free agent, gives you that shooting, gives you that bet presence. Detroit could bring him back, but I think that he could be a really valuable four big, some something somewhere else. Probably not your main big, but someone that can help you go small. Someone that can help you on the defensive end, you know, on the wings. Like, what are we thinking about Tobias Harris?
- [32:07]
Dave S.
How do you guys. How do you guys feel about Tobias Harris in San Antonio?
- [32:12]
Dave
That's the one.
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Zena Keda
I mean, I feel like that's the one that we're all thinking about. When we think about that four spot, upgrading the Julian Shampeni role and then also upgrading the veteran aspect as well, I mean, that's huge for what San Antonio needs as well.
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Dave
I would also just throw out Charlotte as a Tobias Harris destination. They're also one of those teams that's trying to fill in the four spot. Don't know what they end up doing with Miles Bridges, but just like another shooter creator, veteran as well.
- [32:40]
Dave S.
I think it's tricky there with Nas Reed because Nas is going to be there starting four, it seems like. I do think Tobias and Nas can play together. I don't think you can start them.
- [32:50]
Dave
Yeah, that's fair. Yeah, that's fair. What kind of role he has. Yeah, that's for sure.
- [32:54]
Zena Keda
There's some other fours out there. Draymond Green has a player option, and, you know, he's probably definitely going to be back, I would imagine.
- [33:04]
Dave S.
And then he needs to be married to Steph. Curry's hip. Right. Like, just wherever Steph is, that's who you need. Like if Steph. If Charlotte traded for Steph, they should get Draymond in the deal.
- [33:14]
Zena Keda
No, I think with Draymond, it would be. I mean, I don't know if he'll do this, but it would be interesting for him to opt out of that player option, go to a lower number
- [33:23]
Dave S.
to help more years.
- [33:24]
Zena Keda
The war. Right. Get more years. And also help the warriors get someone.
- [33:27]
Dave
Some flexibility.
- [33:28]
Zena Keda
Absolutely. Yeah. Get some flexibility, actually help them get to a position where they could take advantage of those theft years that are remaining.
- [33:35]
Dave S.
But it's interesting, though, because I think this past season was the closest that the warriors have gotten to trading Draymond.
- [33:41]
Zena Keda
Ever. Yes.
- [33:42]
Dave S.
And so, I mean, what's his value even, like, if they were to explore, hey, what can we get for Draymond?
- [33:49]
Dave
I don't think. No, I don't think it would be a lot, to be honest with you. I don't think it would be a lot.
- [33:54]
Zena Keda
And that's. That's one of the benefits of staying with your team for so long is that you have that loyalty built in where you don't have those conversations.
- [34:00]
Dave S.
Right.
- [34:01]
Zena Keda
But it's also a detriment to you in that it's hard to be able to know what the market would pay for you because you don't know what you would fit, like, alongside other slots or other players.
- [34:11]
Dave
He would work well in Charlotte, too, actually, now that I'm thinking about it, he kind of would be a fun
- [34:16]
Dave S.
four or five when they want to quiet.
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Zena Keda
You just lose Lamello. You need someone else to come in, have a little personality. I see that. I can see it. Okay, let's keep it going. Tar Eason, restricted free agent for the Rockets. Norman Powell. We think Norman Powell's gonna stay with the Heat.
- [34:34]
Dave S.
Doesn't feel like it. I don't think he wants to take a pay cut, and I can't blame him.
- [34:38]
Dave
He just was an all star.
- [34:39]
Dave S.
He's 33 years old. This is maybe his last chance at a big contract. I just don't see why he would give Miami a discount.
- [34:48]
Dave
I would like. I would like for him to either go to Detroit, which I think makes a lot of sense, or if Denver can somehow find a way to create some space.
- [34:57]
Dave S.
I. I keep going back Denver and
- [34:59]
Dave
Detroit, but it's just fix Denver, you know, go and fix the.
- [35:03]
Zena Keda
We're cheating a little bit. We're talking about. The teams are right on the cusp. It makes sense that we're looking at who needs an immediate score, who needs someone that can come in, and that's his role. But what about. I Mean, we haven't given enough love to Cleveland. Right. Like we talked about LeBron in Cleveland, but they need to fix something.
- [35:20]
Dave S.
Well, I think that they've just got so many. They've got a lot of decisions to make. Number one, like, what's the James Harden contract going to look like? You don't trade for James Harden.
- [35:30]
Zena Keda
Yes.
- [35:30]
Dave S.
In an expiring contract year without a wink, wink deal where you're going to resign.
- [35:35]
Dave
100% resigning.
- [35:36]
Dave S.
He's going to stay. What does that mean for Donovan Mitchell going forward? I mean, I expect him to take. Take the, the big money contract he's got coming. What are they going to do about Evan Mobley and Jared Allen that that pairing is not working come playoff time? And, you know, there's the Lakers, you know, reporting came out that the Lakers would be interested in a LeBron for Jared Allen trade. Of course they would because Jared Allen's very good.
- [36:00]
Zena Keda
Very good.
- [36:00]
Dave S.
But I think if you're Cleveland and you're thinking about moving on from Jared Allen, you might be able to do better actually than, than getting LeBron for a season or two.
- [36:08]
Dave
I will say LeBron, Mobley, Harden, Mitchell Strus. That's not a bad. That's pretty good.
- [36:16]
Dave S.
Do you feel like Evan Mobley can be your. Like, can he be a starting center for 82 games or, you know, let's say 70 games that he'll play and then come playoff time, is he, Is he good enough?
- [36:28]
Zena Keda
If you ask Jalen Duran, he would say yes. I mean, the playoffs said something.
- [36:34]
Dave
You're not wrong. You're not wrong.
- [36:36]
Zena Keda
Wrong.
- [36:37]
Dave
But they would need, they would need a backup 5. Like a legit backup 5, too, if they were.
- [36:42]
Dave S.
Yeah. Right now that's the place where Mitchell Robinson could make some sense. Although he's going to be expensive for a backup. Yeah. Yeah.
- [36:49]
Zena Keda
Okay, let's. I mean, are you guys done with the James Harden conversation? He's going to try and be.
- [36:54]
Dave
Yeah, he's 100%.
- [36:57]
Dave S.
Any scenario where he doesn't.
- [36:59]
Zena Keda
Yeah. Okay. Let's keep it moving to rotational pieces. I think these were, you know, those are some of the starters. But. But yeah, let's go, Mamu.
- [37:07]
Dave
Sandra, I think you could convince yourself all 30 teams want mama.
- [37:12]
Dave S.
He makes a lot of sense. And. But he's. The issue is the money that he's gonna command. Right.
- [37:19]
Dave
Toronto does want him.
- [37:20]
Dave S.
Yeah.
- [37:21]
Dave
But it's just at a certain price. Right. So he's, he's probably. Again, this is another guy who's like, this will be the biggest payday of his career up until this point. And so he has to make the most of his, you know, his summer. I feel like he'll go somewhere that is willing to offer him that full MLE. $15 million. Who has access to that? It'll probably be a team that's like, you know, maybe a Brooklyn, maybe. Maybe a Washington.
- [37:46]
Dave S.
Minnesota. Can they.
- [37:48]
Dave
Minnesota would be Minnesota.
- [37:50]
Dave S.
Great fit.
- [37:51]
Dave
He would be a. A Nasri.
- [37:57]
Dave S.
He's not the shooter that Nas is, but he can attack a closeout. He can put it on the floor. He's really good in transition. And I think that when you look at what they're doing with Lamelo and IO like if they had a four run and with Gobert and. And theoretically Baron J, who is going to be playing this season, you have big men that he can play next to because of his ability to space the floor. And so the defensive limitations aren't as great. And so I think Mamu is. It's a perfect fit for him in Minnesota. That's where I'm rooting for him to go.
- [38:32]
Dave
I think Minnesota has a lot of stuff he'll play.
- [38:34]
Zena Keda
For what it's worth, Sandro was a better shooter than Nas Reed was this season. So I'm like, I'm thinking this is actually absolutely a good fit.
- [38:44]
Dave S.
It's a good fit.
- [38:46]
Dave
I'll also. Sorry, I was just going to say I think the other team I would bring up is Detroit. I know again, we're kind of bouncing around the same teams.
- [38:54]
Dave S.
Well, they never need it.
- [38:56]
Zena Keda
Yeah.
- [38:56]
Dave
Like another again can probably work in that Tobias Harris role for them as a 4 stretch 5 type option or a stretch 5 or stretch forward type option. He is not the isolation or post score that mo that Tobias Harris is. But again, he adds a different wrinkle. Playing fast, playing with speed. Detroit is always at its best when it's playing fast too. I think he would make sense for them. Yeah.
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Zena Keda
Okay. I'm going to shift it to some guard situation. Lou Dort, an okc, feels like he's
- [39:26]
Dave S.
not going to be an OKC anymore. They've started to unload guys. Yeah, their. Their salary situation is tenuous.
- [39:33]
Zena Keda
Yep.
- [39:34]
Dave S.
And they've already started to unload guys. They're cut their tax bill by quite a bit. Moving Isaiah Joe and Aaron Wiggins.
- [39:41]
Dave
Yep.
- [39:42]
Dave S.
I, I don't, I don't know where Lou fits and outside of okc because, I mean, this guy was kind of
- [39:49]
Zena Keda
like a Draymond Green situation a little bit.
- [39:51]
Dave S.
He was starting in games that he had no business starting in yeah, and I just. I don't think that that happens on pretty much any other team.
- [40:01]
Dave
It's also a little Marcus Smarty, like when Marcus Smart got traded from the Celtics, and you're like, man, he. He. He kind of is the Celtics. And Lou Dort in a lot of ways outside of SGA is like, he is the Thunder. I. I think there's a small chance he stays. I think there's a chance that, like. Like, he's too important to their locker room and the vibes and, you know, Shay loves the dude.
- [40:25]
Dave S.
Yeah.
- [40:25]
Dave
That, like, they will find a way to keep him. And I know they just re signed Isaiah Hartenstein, which kind of signals what they're doing, but I just. I don't know. I struggle to see them moving on from a very, very big cultural fit, but who knows?
- [40:42]
Dave S.
I mean, who knows? Is it possible for him, for his money to work, given where they're sitting as far as their tax.
- [40:50]
Dave
They'd have to make trades. They would have to, like, obviously, like the Thomas Sorbers and Nikola Topiches.
- [40:55]
Dave S.
I think Topic is a guy who. Who likely gets moved. It's just, you know, at this point, with. Between the injuries and just there's no opportunity for him. Right. Like, he's. He's not really going to get minutes. I think that he's a guy who will move, but I don't see how they keep Dort. I just. I don't see it.
- [41:11]
Dave
The team I would throw out for Dort, honestly, very similar to when Dylan Brooks left Memphis. It's like, what team you kind of take to that next level Defensively, it's like the Lakers kind of make sense. I would say maybe the Hornets make sense as a. As a team that needs like a wing defender, grind it out type of guy. Yeah, like that.
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Zena Keda
Do we imagine that Lou Dort's going to automatically be moved or signed to a team that's a contender? Like, does he have to be at a contention type of team? Could it be a Milwaukee? Could it be a, you know, a team that just maybe got some pieces, but they're not necessarily Milwaukee, So Milwaukee
- [41:51]
Dave S.
is interesting because I. I really haven't figured out if they're pivoting or not.
- [41:55]
Zena Keda
Right. You know, like, we don't know the pieces they have. Yeah.
- [41:58]
Dave S.
Right. So the. The Giannis trade may have more layers to it. Right. Like, Detroit may get in and wind up with Tyler Hero. Right. They created space by moving Isaiah Stewart. Not sure what's happening with Jalen Durant. So for right now, I think Milwaukee is a little bit of a wild card. If they were to keep, keep. If they're keeping Tyler Hero and they're going to just say, hey, we're going to just be this maybe play in team, which is kind of what they've got built. Lou Dort would make some sense for them. Right. Like, I mean, yeah, for, for some of the same reasons that you mentioned, like the Lakers. Right. Like, here's a guy who can come in, he can help with the culture, he can help with the defense. I mean, he, he would make more sense in a place like that than he does, in my opinion, in, in okc.
- [42:41]
Zena Keda
All right, let's talk bigs. Walker Kessler, Nehemiah's Kada Neomaisk has a team option.
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Dave S.
Yeah.
- [42:52]
Zena Keda
Okay.
- [42:52]
Dave S.
Yeah, that's just paperwork. They haven't filed yet.
- [42:54]
Zena Keda
There you go. Do we think Atlanta's keep a Jonathan Kaminga?
- [42:59]
Dave S.
Oh, wow. I would guess so. I don't think you, you know, I think what he showed, especially in the playoffs, like, I thought he looked really good in those games against the Knicks. It was interesting to watch him go from Golden State. I mean, and Xena. Like you've watched this guy up close his entire career.
- [43:16]
Zena Keda
Absolutely.
- [43:17]
Dave S.
He looked totally different in Atlanta than he did in Golden State. And I think if you're Atlanta, that peak that you got at him when he was not really even fully healthy, Right. He was still dealing with the knee issue. I think that was enough of a peak for me to say, hey, I, I think this guy has some talent and he could work with what we do. You know, his ability to play the four. He's a really good rebounder. I again, getting out in transition. I mean, you see him coming off like if, if they make a deal, let's say they go get Jalen Brown. I mean, you could see Kaminga being a huge part of their bench, like a scorer off the bench with CJ McCollum. So yeah, I think, I think they'll keep him.
- [43:52]
Zena Keda
I wonder if they. Again, everyone's worried about the cap, right? If they decline him and try to re sign him. Yeah, I feel like that could be an option for him. But let's get back. Walker Kessler absolutely does not want to be in Utah. Phil, where could he. Is he a Lakers opportunity?
- [44:12]
Dave
So he's a restrictive free agent, which makes this a little bit more difficult for, for them to kind of match. I, I think he ends up staying in Utah because of that fact. But if there was a different destination, I think the Lakers make sense. I think The Pistons, if they end up moving on from Jalen Duran, makes sense. I think the Raptors make sense. I think the Celtics make sense. Big man.
- [44:33]
Dave S.
Yeah, yeah, right. Like you could have him. I mean, with, with, with lottery reform and the fact that teams are going to have to at least pretend to compete, one of the quickest ways that you can make a contender, or not even a contender, but a competitive team is to have a high quality big period. It sets the floor of your defense so much higher. And you know, with some of the moves they made getting Julius Randle, we already know what it looks like if you pair him with a, with a high level defensive big man.
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Dave
33 wins right there, baby.
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Dave S.
Well, that's right. And, and I mean, that keeps you out of that releg, which is what everyone is basically going to be playing to avoid.
- [45:08]
Dave
You know what's fun? And this is a wrinkle. Interestingly enough, the Brooklyn Nets do not own their pick next year. So they want to be in the. Yeah, they need to be in the resolution zone.
- [45:20]
Dave S.
I don't know, man. I feel like there's going to be some kind of punitive stuff that happens as we lose Xena. There. There's something punitive that's going to happen to these teams that, that, that have given up their picks.
- [45:33]
Dave
Yeah, yeah. And then something I will say also, like from, from the Walker Kessler front, if he does end up going somewhere, it will have to be via sign and trade. And so what would the Jazz want from whatever team, it's the Lakers, maybe it's Rui Hachimura. If it's, you know, the, the Nets, it might be another.
- [45:52]
Dave S.
Has the money, though, so Brooklyn has
- [45:54]
Dave
the money, would be able to pay for it.
- [45:55]
Dave S.
And there's a point in which, you know, you wonder, well, like, is Utah definitely going to match anything he gets offered and, you know, feels that way, though. It does. I mean, he is a lynchpin to what they're trying to build. Yeah, I think, like, the fact that they get to play so big is
- [46:12]
Dave
because of Walker Kessler.
- [46:13]
Dave S.
Partly because of him. Right. And, but this is where Brooklyn, I think, is a wild card because they've got the money. So the, the restricted free agent guys, they can, they can just say, hey, look, we'll take a, we'll take a swing at, at Walker Kessler, we'll take a swing at Jalen Duran. And if nothing else, they're weaponizing their cap space to force other teams into signing these, these bigger deals. I don't, I don't know if it makes any sense for Brooklyn to get him, because what are they trying to do? Yeah. But, yeah, I think Walker Kessler is going to be a fascinating situation.
- [46:45]
Dave
The only, the only. The only two teams that have cap space that can sign him outright and force Utah to match is Brooklyn, and it's Chicago and it might be the Lakers if they don't sign LeBron James, but that's a different caveat. So, yeah, I don't know. I don't know where they go from here.
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Zena Keda
I'm going to do some rapid fires to close this out. Okay. These are some restrictive free agents, some unrestricted free agents. So it's going to be. We know that there's going to be a little bit more conflict when it comes to the restricted. But number one.
- [47:14]
Dave S.
Yeah.
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Zena Keda
Peyton Watson, restrict your free agents for the Nuggets.
- [47:18]
Dave S.
They got to keep them. They cannot replace them. And I think, yeah, a guy to watch Christian Brown, who's going to take the salary dump, which is a funny thing to say about a guy who is definitely a good starter in the NBA. So who's going to take the Christian Brown contract? That could also be Detroit.
- [47:35]
Dave
Okay, I feel like that'd be interesting.
- [47:37]
Zena Keda
I was just telling Dave before the podcast, I'm finally understanding the poison pill offer sheet. Basically, someone offering a offer sheet that you do not want to pick up. That makes it incredibly tough. I feel like Peyton Watson was. Will absolutely be a result of that with Denver. Just 3 million under the second apron. Okay, let's keep it going. Quentin Grimes, restricted free agents for the 76ers.
- [47:58]
Dave
He's gone. There's no way that they're keeping him, especially with how stacked their front court is. I bet he wants to go somewhere else again. I feel like another team that. It makes sense for Detroit, you know, another shooter. Miami would be interesting because they need shooting.
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Zena Keda
And maybe Norman walks or goes. Yeah, I'll.
- [48:14]
Dave
I'll take the swing. I'll take the. The mid level or like a small. You know, he's probably not a mid level player, like half of the mid level to go out.
- [48:23]
Dave S.
He'll be in that 8 to 10 million dollar range. Yeah.
- [48:25]
Dave
Yeah, that would be interesting for. For Miami to go and get him.
- [48:28]
Dave S.
Yeah, that's the kind of player that they need. Right. Like, they need a bunch of those guys like Gary Trent opted out.
- [48:33]
Dave
He's going to.
- [48:34]
Dave S.
He's gonna go to Miami. Right.
- [48:35]
Dave
Guarantee, you know, he just.
- [48:37]
Dave S.
Yeah. So, I mean, yeah, all the shooters, like guards, we're basically Back to like 2012.
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Dave
Yeah. Go get Miami.
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Kyle Corver. What are you doing right now? What's he doing?
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Zena Keda
Just sit in the corner and put some shots up. Okay. John Collins, unrestricted for.
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Dave
I would love him for San Antonio. I don't know how you guys feel.
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Dave S.
Philadelphia. I think the Sixers make a lot of sense. Right. He can play four next to Embiid. He can play the five.
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Zena Keda
But we like the way that Dominic Barlow was playing towards the end of the year.
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Dave
Yeah.
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Also could be a really good.
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Dave S.
The importance of size, though.
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Yeah.
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I think John Collins makes so much sense for. For teams that have a big man that's not going to play 60 games because he's. He's healthy, he's going to play most nights and he's big.
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Dave
I'll just say San Antonio makes a lot of sense for him, too, for all of the same reasons that you just mentioned.
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Zena Keda
Yeah. And Anthony Simons, unrestricted free agent.
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Dave
Miami.
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Dave S.
Miami. Yeah.
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Dave
Yeah.
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Just put the ball in his hands, put all of this and just let him go. Yeah.
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Dave
Anybody who has a negative defensive rating and also can shoot, just throw them on the Miami. That's exactly what it will be.
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Zena Keda
Oh, my gosh. All right, so we're keeping our eye out on Detroit, Denver and Miami. It seems in the midst of this free agency, which will begin officially 6pm Eastern June 30, so very exciting to see where these players end up, what these offer sheets are looking like, these matches, et cetera. It's going to be a very weird off season. It's going to be the last version of this off season that we're going to see. Because next year, with the way that people actually do not want to be relegation, people are going to want to be contenders. People are going to want to go to teams that are contenders. It's going to be a little bit of a sunset on this version of a free agency, so we appreciate you all listening. Dave S. Way to break it down for us. For Dave Deport and Esperahini, I'm Zena Keda thanking you all for listening to NBA Daily. Thanks for waking up with us. Enjoy your day.
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