The Athletic NBA Daily – "NBA Trade Season Begins"
Date: December 15, 2025
Hosts: Dave DeFore, Sam Amick
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Overview
This episode of The Athletic NBA Daily kicks off the much-anticipated NBA trade season. Host Dave DeFore welcomes The Athletic’s national insider Sam Amick to "empty the notebook" and discuss the state of the league, potential trade market moves, how the Oklahoma City Thunder’s dominance is shaping team strategy, and the latest rumors around stars like Giannis Antetokounmpo, Anthony Davis, and others. The conversation provides deep, up-to-the-minute insights into team maneuvering and league dynamics as the trade window opens.
Key Discussion Points and Insights
1. The NBA at the Quarter Mark — The Thunder's Upcoming Dynasty
Timestamps: 03:40–06:44
- Main theme: The Oklahoma City Thunder’s rise stands as the season’s biggest talking point.
- Thunder’s Dominance:
- Sam Amick: “You talk about jumping out, OKC, jumping out the way that they have. You knew they were going to be, you know, the title front runners again...But to see what they've done without Jalen Williams...to be on pace to break the Warriors’ regular season record for wins. It's just remarkable stuff.” [04:40]
- Dynasty in the Making: The Thunder look poised to create a “chilling effect” in the NBA—some teams may reassess whether it's worth major moves if OKC appears unbeatable for years to come.
- Financial Arsenal: OKC’s unmatched stockpile of draft picks is “the real weapon they've got to extend this dynasty.” [06:04]
- League-wide Impact: Teams may become more conservative in trade talks and timelines, opting to wait out OKC’s dominance, a scenario likened to the Warriors’ KD era.
2. Rethinking Strategies in the Face of Thunder Dominance
Timestamps: 06:44–10:39
- Competitive Balance: Unlike the cap spike that enabled Golden State to add Kevin Durant ("unfair competitive balance"), OKC’s position is self-made: “This is just incredible management by Sam Presti and his front office staff..." [06:44]
- Team Examples:
- The Kings: Debating moving core players or keeping assets for when the competitive landscape is more favorable. Reluctance to attach picks to contracts like Zach LaVine’s.
- The Rockets: Actively challenging the Thunder in the same way they once tried to outmaneuver the Warriors.
- The Spurs: Noted for having the young talent to, in theory, challenge OKC.
3. The Los Angeles Clippers – “A Disaster”
Timestamps: 10:39–14:26
- Disarray in L.A.: Once hopeful after last season’s playoff run, the Clippers have unraveled.
- Leadership Void: Amick highlights ongoing struggles with leadership: “You got a guy in Kawhi who is...not the end of the world. But you put him next to James Harden...has never been known as a...‘leading the troops’ type of guy. The thing that strikes me about the Clippers and confuses me is just how they just stubbornly stick to their plan no matter the results.” [11:49]
- Front Office Moves: Extension rumors for the front office are “bad optics,” especially as the league investigates salary cap circumvention.
- All-Star Game Complication: The investigation conveniently reporting after the All-Star Game hosted at their arena.
4. Trade Rumors & Market Dynamics – “Emptying the Notebook”
Timestamps: 19:39–34:10
a. Jonathan Kuminga Market
- Kuminga’s Trade Value: Initially looked promising for the Warriors, but recent struggles lower his value. Kings remain interested, but structure is tricky and “the Warriors have lost a bit of leverage.” [19:52]
b. Giannis Antetokounmpo Sweepstakes
- Giannis’ Next Destination:
- Rumor of Giannis wanting Chicago: “Apparently Giannis is interested in going to the Chicago Bulls, but the Bulls are not interested. I mean, is that…Come on, that can't be real.” [21:55]
- Amick: “I think...the shift should be towards New York. That remains the focus.” [22:34]
- New York Knicks: Interest matched only by whether team thinks it needs to change course. NY's recent winning complicates sense of urgency.
- Atlanta Hawks: “If you're Atlanta, it makes so much sense. Giannis puts you in the title picture.” [24:36] But Giannis has significant power in dictating where he’d go.
- Other Teams: Thunder and Spurs have the assets but are unlikely to pursue; Warriors show no concrete interest.
c. Anthony Davis Trade Speculation
- AD’s Situation: “He’s only 32 years old, but with the health history and ... inconsistency ... there’s still question marks.” [28:58]
- Mavs (“not comfortable committing to anything”) and teams like Raptors, Hawks, Bulls are monitoring but reluctant.
d. Other Notable Names & Scenarios
- Klay Thompson: "Not as much of a game changing player at this point...would love to be in a more competitive situation." [28:58]
- Ja Morant: Grizzlies aim to work through issues, not move him, but “concern around the league for just what comes with Ja.”
- LaMelo Ball and Trey Young: Both in “buckets” of young stars with swirling rumors and some displeasure with current teams.
- Minnesota Timberwolves: “Tim Conley...is on the short list of most aggressive executives...I'd be surprised if Tim stood pat at the deadline. One name I’ve heard with Minnesota a bit is Kobe White.” [31:56]
5. Contenders Poised for a Move?
Timestamps: 31:43–33:44
- Minnesota’s Dilemma: Need for a point guard noted; "scared money doesn’t make any." Unafraid teams viewed as most likely to try closing the gap with OKC by making bold moves.
- Playoff Potential: Ant Edwards could yet emerge as the league’s next superstar, but “the winning is not there,” making a move more likely.
- Call for Action: DeFore hopes teams remain aggressive despite Thunder’s dominance, “I hope nobody’s scared because I’d like to see some competitive basketball.” [33:21]
Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments
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On OKC’s dominance:
“Is this a dynasty in the making? ... That is the type of thing, you know, the last time we lived through that was with the Warriors ... if you are quietly giving up hope that you can actually catch the Thunder, does that change the timeline of your strategy?”
— Sam Amick, 04:40 -
On competitive balance:
“This is just incredible management by Sam Presti … they are really the only team in the NBA that again, through their own merit, has a cheat code in relation to this current salary cap situation...”
— Sam Amick, 06:44 -
On the Clippers:
“It is a disaster. Basketball wise. ... The thing that strikes me about the Clippers and confuses me is just how they just stubbornly stick to their plan no matter the results.”
— Sam Amick, 11:49 -
On Giannis rumors:
“I think that with Giannis, the shift should be towards New York. That remains the focus.”
— Sam Amick, 22:34 -
On contenders making moves:
“I know Oklahoma City is scary to everyone, but I do think, like, scared money doesn’t make any. And I think that a team like Minnesota that has all these pieces, ... you could see a world where in a playoff series, they could win.”
— Dave DeFore, 33:21
Important Segment Timestamps
- Thunder’s league impact/dynasty talk – 04:40–07:59
- Clippers' chaotic situation – 10:39–14:26
- Trade rumor roundtable begins – 19:39
- Giannis and the Knicks/Hawks – 21:55–26:47
- AD/Klay/Ja/LaMelo market talk – 28:36–31:23
- Minnesota’s aggression & trade need – 31:43–33:44
Tone and Style
The conversation is dynamic, insider-driven, and occasionally irreverent—trademark elements of The Athletic NBA Daily. Sam Amick is candid and context-rich; Dave DeFore keeps the conversation sharp and on track, encouraging honest speculation and league gossip. Listeners are treated to the kind of nuanced, reporter-smart analysis that sets this podcast apart.
For Listeners New to the Episode
This episode is your go-to primer for the 2025 NBA trade season: How one team’s rise is warping everyone’s plans, who the big names to watch are, and which rumors are real or merely noise. If you’re interested in the chess game behind the scenes—and want to know where your team stands—this recap covers all you need to know before the league starts to move.