Nuggets Fake Trades: Morning Shoot Around

Summary

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Episode Information:

• Title: Nuggets Fake Trades: Morning Shoot Around
• Release Date: May 21, 2025
• Hosts: Andrew Schlecht and Host (unnamed)

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Introduction

In this episode of The Athletic NBA Daily, hosts Andrew Schlecht and his co-host delve deep into the speculative world of NBA trades, focusing primarily on the Denver Nuggets' potential offseason moves. The conversation navigates through various hypothetical trade scenarios, assessing the feasibility and impact of these moves on both the Nuggets and the involved teams.

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Nuggets Trade Speculations

The primary focus revolves around the Denver Nuggets' possible decision to trade Michael Porter Jr. (MPJ), an asset that has generated significant trade buzz. The hosts explore the complexities of trading a player with MPJ's unique skill set and contract details.

Andrew Schlecht initiates the discussion by reflecting on past Nuggets decisions:

"[03:23] "They just knew going in that they're going to make some changes. There were going to be some wholesale changes of this team.""

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Potential Trade Partners

a. Brooklyn Nets

The Brooklyn Nets emerge as the first potential trade partner due to their available salary cap space and need for rotation players.

Host:

"[06:15] "Let's just start with the easy team, the Brooklyn Nets. Can we start with Brooklyn, the easy team?""

Andrew Schlecht:

"[06:21] "They have money there. They were like, all right, cool. We can take on. They have $60 million in cap space.""

However, the trade becomes complicated when considering the inclusion of additional assets like first-round picks:

"[07:09] "Andrew Schlecht: ... Is that too good for the Nuggets?""

The hosts debate the practicality of such a trade, ultimately finding it challenging to balance the salaries and needs:

"[07:58] "This still fails.""

b. Chicago Bulls

The Chicago Bulls are considered for their interest in MPJ and the potential to integrate him into their roster alongside other players.

Host:

"[09:10] "Well, I wonder about Chicago.""

Andrew Schlecht:

"[09:13] "They were interested, right? They were somewhat.""

The conversation touches on matching MPJ's contract and finding suitable players to include:

"[09:17] "Yeah. And they have... I mean, listen there, there's some guys on this roster.""

c. Miami Heat

Miami is identified as a team needing shooting prowess, making them a viable candidate for acquiring MPJ.

Host:

"[16:37] "Miami is another weird team.""

Andrew Schlecht:

"[17:01] "Yeah. Yeah.""

The hosts suggest possible trade packages involving players like Duncan Robinson and Kyle Anderson:

"[17:12] "Yeah.""

They weigh the benefits of adding shooting depth against the defensive needs:

"[18:36] "Miami, you know, you could do Wiggins and Kyle Anderson.""

d. Boston Celtics

The Boston Celtics are discussed as potential trade partners, primarily due to their interest in defensive assets like Drew Holiday.

Host:

"[19:57] "I think there's... I think there's options.""

Andrew Schlecht:

"[21:05] "And probably. That's probably like, the... The Celtics will be able to get a lot more for Drew Holiday.""

The hosts propose a hypothetical trade involving multiple players and picks:

"[35:06] "Go to the Dallas Mavericks.""

Host:

"[36:35] "This gets you close enough. It's failed, but it gets you close enough.""

e. Detroit Pistons

Detroit Pistons are briefly mentioned in the context of extending contracts for players like Jaden Ivy.

Host:

"[22:40] "I mean, does Tobias Harris and Simone Feftechio interest you?""

Andrew Schlecht:

"[23:11] "Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Tobias Harris. Sure.""

f. Washington Wizards

The Washington Wizards are identified as another potential trade partner, especially for acquiring skilled shooters like Marcus Smart and Chris Middleton.

Host:

"[26:22] "When has it ever worked?""

Andrew Schlecht:

"[26:25] "Yeah. I mean, it won't get out of town with that.""

g. Golden State Warriors

The Warriors come into play as a possible destination for Drew Holiday, aligning with their team needs and culture.

Andrew Schlecht:

"[47:22] "Go to the Golden State Warriors.""

Host:

"[48:25] "This is disgusting. This is... This is a travesty.""

Andrew Schlecht:

"[48:48] "Yeah.""

h. Atlanta Hawks

While not deeply explored, Atlanta is alluded to in trade discussions focusing on team needs and player fit.

i. Phoenix Suns

The Phoenix Suns are mentioned in the context of salary cap issues and potential player trades, particularly regarding Kevin.

Host:

"[51:06] "I have the Phoenix now.""

Andrew Schlecht:

"[51:12] "Oh, God.""

j. Memphis Grizzlies

The Memphis Grizzlies are discussed concerning the potential trade of Ja Morant for Jalen Brown, though both players' contracts pose challenges.

Andrew Schlecht:

"[40:41] "Yes, yes, yes. That's a trade.""

Host:

"[43:51] "You're the smartest basketball and out there.""

Andrew Schlecht:

"[44:00] "I wouldn't do it.""

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Internal Development of the Nuggets

Beyond trades, the hosts touch upon the importance of internal player development for the Nuggets. Emphasis is placed on nurturing young talent like Jaron Holmes and Peyton Watson to bolster the team's depth.

Host:

"[34:04] "If I was doing a Nuggets podcast, my... The Summer would be the Summer of Internal Development.""

Andrew Schlecht:

"[34:21] "Yeah.""

Other Teams' Trade Scenarios

The conversation branches into speculative trades involving other teams, highlighting the interconnected nature of NBA trades and the ripple effects that one trade can have across the league.

Host:

"[33:57] "We could do a lot of options. Right? That's.""

Andrew Schlecht:

"[38:19] "And like, would you do this if it was. If Boston came back and said, we don't want any of these players.""

Notable Quotes

• Andrew Schlecht on Internal Changes:

  "[03:23] "They just knew going in that they're going to make some changes. There were going to be some wholesale changes of this team.""

• Host on Brooklyn Nets:

  "[06:15] "Let's just start with the easy team, the Brooklyn Nets.""

• Andrew Schlecht on Trade Complexities:

  "[07:09] "Is that too good for the Nuggets?""

• Host on Phoenix Suns' Dilemma:

  "[51:22] "If you're looking for a way to just clear a bunch of salary, like..."_"

• Andrew Schlecht on Grizzlies and Morant:

  "[44:16] "I'm sorry. I didn't mean to invoke that.""

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Conclusion

As the episode wraps up, the hosts reflect on the upcoming trade season's intensity, anticipating a flurry of moves as teams strive to optimize their rosters. They emphasize the dynamic and sometimes unpredictable nature of NBA trades, underscoring the importance of strategic decision-making for long-term success.

Host:

"[52:54] "And it's going to be a very active summer.""

Andrew Schlecht:

"[53:08] "Please leave us a comment either on this YouTube page or you can comment on Spotify.""

The episode concludes with a light-hearted nod to future discussions, promising more in-depth analysis as the offseason progresses.

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Key Takeaways:

• The Denver Nuggets are contemplating significant roster changes, with Michael Porter Jr. as a central piece.
• Potential trade partners include the Brooklyn Nets, Chicago Bulls, Miami Heat, Boston Celtics, and others, each with unique fit and salary considerations.
• Internal player development remains crucial for the Nuggets' future success.
• The offseason is expected to be highly active, with numerous trade possibilities shaping the NBA landscape.

Notable Quotes:

• Andrew Schlecht:

  "[03:23] "They just knew going in that they're going to make some changes.""

• Host:

  "[06:15] "Let's just start with the easy team, the Brooklyn Nets.""

• Andrew Schlecht:

  "[07:09] "Is that too good for the Nuggets?""

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For more insights and detailed analysis, listen to the full episode of The Athletic NBA Daily on your preferred podcast platform.

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[Host]

Welcome to the morning Shoot around here on the Athletic NBA Daily. I'm your host Andrew Schlecht with me early this morning.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Gone.

[Host]

I feel like I'm still at the Thunder arena right now. What's going on? It's my kids last day of school and so I'm you know.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Oh nice.

[Host]

Cool. At the arena late last night but up early this morning to see them off to their last day of school. Ready for some summertime.

[Andrew Schlecht]

God, I used to love the last day of school.

[Host]

Oh that's great.

[Andrew Schlecht]

It's the best feeling. You don't do anything. They're not going to do anything in their classes. They're going to just go have either a pizza party or something along the lines of that. I don't know if they still do that but maybe a pizza party, watch a show or something. I don't know.

[Host]

Half day?

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yep, half day.

[Host]

There's not a lot going on. There's nothing going on.

[Andrew Schlecht]

So beautiful. Love it Amazing.

[Host]

There's going to be a lot going on with the Denver Nuggets, though, this off season.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yes. Yes, there will be.

[Host]

You would think.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yep. I. I'm very interested to see what happens with this team because I remember when. When they fired Mike Malone, there was conversation. Or Michael Malone. I apologize, Michael. Sorry. I know you like. I know. I know you like Michael. When they fired Michael Malone, there was conversation of, oh, well, we wanted to get ahead of firing him because we didn't want a deep playoff run to cloud our judgment of this team.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schlecht]

They just knew going in that they're going to make some changes. There were going to be some wholesale changes of this team. What exactly happens? I guess that's what we're here to talk about.

[Host]

Yeah. It is difficult to specifically make Michael Porter Jr. Trades, which I think is like, where everybody starts.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah. You have to. Yeah.

[Host]

With this team.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah.

[Host]

And I don't know if specific teams come to mind for you, because I think if you're Denver, what you want back is probably two rotation players.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah. Or three, if you can get them.

[Host]

If you can get. I mean, heck, four. Why stop there?

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah. You know, I was. I was talking to Dave about this before we recorded on Monday about my quarter Junior and I kind of likened it to the Rudy Gay trade for the Raptors. So if you. If we go all the way back to 2012.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schlecht]

So 13 years ago, the Raptors traded Rudy Gay. At that time, they had Rudy Gay, Kyle Lowry, and DeMar DeRozan. And they traded Rudy Gay because it just wasn't working. It. Those three had no idea how to play with each other. It was like, this doesn't make a lot of sense. Let's trade Rudy Gay. So they traded Rudy Gay, and it was a weird package. We're really weird package from the Sacramento Kings. It was grievous. Vasquez, Patrick Patterson, and Chuck Hayes.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schlecht]

And like, okay, all right. Sure. But those guys became, like, the bedrock. They were massive for that, like, first couple of years of them becoming a playoff team, they have to. They have to pull off something like this, like, three guys where you're like, really like those three guys. But those three guys turn out to be something. That's exactly what Denver needs to do.

[Host]

Wow. Yeah. I kind of forget that, like, any time that any team traded Rudy Gay, they just got better.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Memphis.

[Host]

Yeah. When Memphis traded him. Yeah. Oh, this is way better.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Host]

Okay. So any. Any teams come to mind that you think would. I mean, here's the deal. If mbj is healthy. He's a 6 foot 10, lights out shooter.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Absolutely. Yeah.

[Host]

Which is something that teams want. His money doesn't go for that long. He's only got two years left.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yep. Yep.

[Host]

So this isn't like some crazy long deal for a player that just can't play at all. He's got to deal with the injury over the summer. But I. I don't know. I think that there's. There's got to be some options out there. Is there a team specifically that comes to mind for you?

[Andrew Schlecht]

Let's just start with the easy team, the Brooklyn Nets. Can we. Can we start with Brooklyn, the easy team?

[Host]

The team we've, like, continually said doesn't have enough players. Okay. I am so, so interested now because.

[Andrew Schlecht]

They have money there. They were. They'd be like, all right, cool. We can take on. They have $60 million in cap space.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schlecht]

You can entice them to take on Michael Porter Jr's contract.

[Host]

Okay.

[Andrew Schlecht]

So mpj.

[Host]

All right.

[Andrew Schlecht]

And can't. You know what? Let me pull up my trade machine. Let me, Let me. Let me whip it up. Let me whip it open here. Okay. All right. On my docket, I have Michael Porter Jr. Going the other way. Makes $38 million next year. Okay. On the other side, do you think they could get Cam Johnson or is that just like. Are we not.

[Host]

I mean, what. In what world would any team make that deal? No, you can't do that. That's cheap. Like, that is cheap.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Fine. What if. What if we include the 2031 first that the Nuggets have? Does that change things?

[Host]

We're trading Porter Jr. And a first already.

[Andrew Schlecht]

I know. It's tough. It's tough out here. It's hard.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah. I'm looking at this roster and I'm not. I'm not really sure what is out there. Do you.

[Host]

Does the problem is, It's. It's. You're trading like for like. And if you're Brooklyn, I guess getting the first helps. Okay. If they're getting the first and they're just basically swapping like for, like, here, I guess we can go with that.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Okay.

[Host]

One thing with Cam is such a great culture fit. And not to say like, there's anything wrong with mpj, you know, culturally, but I don't know that he provides the same kind of leadership.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Sure. Yeah. That's probably true. I. I think that's the trade. Like, that is. That's the most you can do. I. I don't know if there's anybody else on the Nets roster. That even makes sense. You get Cam Johnson, your Jalen Wilson guy. Sure. Yeah. Maybe Maxwell Lewis. I don't know.

[Host]

Maybe.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah. Keon Johnson. I do like Keon Johnson, but do. Do.

[Host]

The Keon is not going to play in the playoffs. Don't do that.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Whitehead. You know, Long Island Nets, you know, plays. Well, I don't know.

[Host]

When you said, honestly when you said this is, you know, the, the easy team, I was like, I was confused a little bit.

[Andrew Schlecht]

I changed my mind. I didn't realize how barren the roster was. I thought we could maybe get like another rotation player out of there, but it's only. It's only Cam Johnson. Do you have a, A MPJ team?

[Host]

Well, I wonder about Chicago.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Sure. They were interested, right? They were somewhat. Yeah.

[Host]

Yes. And they have. They. I mean, listen there, there's some guys on this roster.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah.

[Host]

You don't quite know what to do with. You've gotta like, you've got to basically match the 38.3 million, which is going to be the, the hardest thing. But like if you could get. And I know this is. There's nothing, there's nothing that's going to be like so exciting here, but if you could get like a Kevin Herder and a, and a Patrick Williams, you.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Know, can I, can I barter for Lonzo Ball? Can we get Lonzo Ball in there?

[Host]

I mean, Lonzo with Jokic would rock.

[Andrew Schlecht]

It would rock.

[Host]

As long as he's healthy.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah, for sure.

[Host]

Is the statement of his career.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah.

[Host]

You know, I mean, that would be amazing. I mean, I don't, I don't know.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Okay, how about this?

[Host]

They need a backup center really bad. So like you could do Zach Collins and it like they have. I think they have multiple ways of acquiring him.

[Andrew Schlecht]

I will say there are a lot of grievous. Vasquez is on this team. You know, there's a lot of Chuck Hayes and Patrick Patterson's on this book.

[Host]

This is a. Yes. Even one of the guys name is Patrick. Okay.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Host]

There's not a lot of Patricks in the NBA. But we, we have the chance to recreate the two Pat trade with Bulls where it's like Patrick Williams, Zach Collins and. And so. Right.

[Andrew Schlecht]

I forgot Patrick Patterson, Thunder legend. Right. Yes.

[Host]

Yeah. Yeah. He. We were warned by a lot of Raptors fans that, that I know he's not as good as the percentages.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Look at the bench minutes. I know. Yeah.

[Host]

You know, we did. You know what we did? We ignored that. We said not for us. You know what? He was definitely you guys were right. All of you.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah, all of you were right. Usually that's. That's how it works.

[Host]

Did not work out for two.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Good guy, though. I really like him. Big, big movie fan. He's a big movie guy. Loves movies.

[Host]

Big movie guy. Yes, he. Yeah, he would. He had like a movie club or something.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yes, he did.

[Host]

He would invite, like, you know, whatever fans, like, come watch movies with them.

[Andrew Schlecht]

It's like, ah, yeah. That was very cool. Shout out to Patrick Patterson. Okay. Can I. Can I suggest another idea since we're in. In the realm of, like, hey, we're willing to include this Nuggets pick. Okay.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schlecht]

The Bulls cannot extend Kobe White this summer. And by cannot, I mean Kobe White will literally not accept the contract extension because it's 140 of what he's making right now, which is not a lot of money. And so he's gonna next summer be a max player or something along the Mac. Probably not a max. Max might be a little bit too much, but more than $20 million, right? Yeah, he's probably make. I don't know. I'm just thinking of, like, guards in that realm. He's probably making like a manual quickly money. Like, he's probably looking at IQ or maybe what Josh Giddy gets this summer and he's like, I would like that. That's. That's sort of what I. Where I'm at. So what if they do Michael Porter Jr. Attach the pick, give me Kobe White, give me one of the other guys. Maybe if you said Zach Collins or something and call it a day.

[Host]

I mean, that.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Is that too good for the Nuggets?

[Host]

Probably like that. But that's very interesting, I think, like, if you can get a backup center and a guard and if you could somehow get another forward somehow like that. That is interesting. The only problem is, like, what do you do with the starting lineup if you're the Nuggets?

[Andrew Schlecht]

Oh, man, they would. Their defense would be Swiss cheese.

[Host]

Yeah. The. The. The thing that's underrated about MPJ is he's 610. He's huge.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Big dude. Yeah.

[Host]

And having him and Aaron Gordon as your forwards is a luxury.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah.

[Host]

Because they are so big.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Because the dynamic of this team is going to change. Is it? Christian Brown's going to get his extension this summer, right?

[Host]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Jamal Murray is going to be too hard to trade.

[Host]

Yes.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Right. I mean, unless you have suggestions. Then there's Aaron Gordon and there's Jokic. Outside of that, like, I think everybody else is either on the table or you're hoping can get better.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah, yeah.

[Host]

Any other teams you as potential.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah. Patterson throw on Toronto Raptors. I have, I have, I have a team here. Yeah. I'm kind of. I'm interested to hear your thoughts. Okay. Because they, they had, they had beat around the bush of, of potentially trading RJ Barrett in that Ingram trade.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schlecht]

And the Ingram Scotty RJ kind of front court slash wing is kind of a weird fit. Right. As you've, as you've illustrated before very delicately. So, so what about something centered around. And Ochai Obaji by the way, is a player that the, the Raptors either have to pay this summer or next summer or they will have to trade. Yeah. And so how about R.J. bear, Ochai Baji, Michael for Michael Porter Jr. And, and I would like a pick in this situation here because you're taking on money, but I don't know. How do you feel?

[Host]

Yeah, I mean that is interesting because you. Those are two playable guys. Abaji would be like their seventh best player on this roster.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah. Little Bruce Brownie in terms of what he can do. Yeah.

[Host]

Yeah. I think that that is pretty interesting. I don't love the fit of RJ Barrett though.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah. The three point shooting, man. Oh my God. On the Nuggets especially too. Yeah.

[Host]

That's the, that is also the problem is if you remove MPJ and you don't replace him with shooting, then like who shoots on this team outside of Jamal?

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah, I know Jokic is the only other guy that shoots on this team. And Joshua Carroll asked like that's rough for Toronto. Why would they do that? I honestly, I think the reason they would do that is for a pick of some sorts or if they really like Michael Porter Jr. Like they, they obviously need shooting on that team. The Raptors are also a one of those teams. I mean, if you look at the regular season stats, the Nuggets and Raptors are basically attached at the hip in terms of three point frequency.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Neither team really takes a lot of threes. Michael Porter Jr. Will help in that regard for the Raptors and he's just a little bit better of a fit next to Scotty and Bi. But yeah, I don't know, it's. It's not something I think the Raptors would do, but just as just a thought experiment era, I mean, I think.

[Host]

It would help the Raptors in that they would get a legit three point shooter on their roster.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Totally. Yeah. Yeah.

[Host]

You know, and a guy who you can like take away these skills that are all the same, you know.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Host]

Which is something that they'll have to address at some point for sure.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yep, yep, yep. I agree.

[Host]

Miami is another weird team.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Sure. Let's do it. Why not? Yeah.

[Host]

I don't know if you could get like a Duncan Robinson and a Kyle Anderson and there you go. Maybe one other guy.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah.

[Host]

I don't know. They would trade Haywood Highsmith, but they need. They need shooting at the forward pretty, pretty badly, like, to play next to Bam or to wear somebody like that. I think that he is an interesting one.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah.

[Host]

For Miami. And then I feel like they have a bunch of these, like, mid tier, you know, guys that are making 20 million, 10 million.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah.

[Host]

I just think that you could get a couple guys back and that can shoot it a little bit. You can really shoot it. And he can even put it on the deck a little bit, too. I just think there might be something there.

[Andrew Schlecht]

I like this because, I mean. Okay, well, from the Nuggets perspective, even if you're like, okay, you know, Duncan Robinson, Kyle Anderson is not like the craziest package. They're expiring contracts, you know, so it really allows you to get under that apron or, you know, or try to get under the first apron, but that allows you to do that, you know, alleviates some pressure off of you because of Aaron Gordon's contract. So. I don't hate it. I don't hate it. But I would, you know, if I'm Denver, I'm like, how can we do a Wiggins for Michael Porter jr. Swap, you know, is that possible? Because it's not like their money is too off, you know. Two years, 28 million. Two years, 38 million. Let's figure something out here.

[Host]

Miami, you know, you could do Wiggins and Kyle Anderson.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah.

[Host]

I think that gets you close enough. Anderson is. Is a. I mean, he. He's. He's just a good player that you can just plug in in different spots.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah.

[Host]

I also don't love him with the Nuggets because he's not a shooter either.

[Andrew Schlecht]

No, he's not. No.

[Host]

But at least he's a guy that can. That can play, and then if you're Miami, you know, works out great. If not, I don't know, like, he's. He's just another shooter that you can put out there. I think that there's something interesting there with just getting multiple pieces back.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Host]

But it's going to be like one of these, like, mediocre east teams or the problem is, like, what can I.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Suggest the non mediocre east team or a team that at least this year wasn't.

[Host]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Boston Celtics.

[Host]

Okay.

[Andrew Schlecht]

They're. They're looking to trade and get money off the books. Right. Drew Holiday makes a lot of money.

[Host]

Yes.

[Andrew Schlecht]

For longer than Michael Porter Jr. Does. He's obviously a more valuable player also. So you would have to probably attach a pick in this situation. Likely attach a pick. I would do that. And I would try my darndest to also nab Kristaps Porzingis and take a swing at him. And again, I don't know how the Nuggets will be able to conjure up the assets to do this, but the Celtics are clearly taking a gap year here. Thoughts? Opinion?

[Host]

Forced to. Force to. I.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yes. Forced to.

[Host]

I mean, I don't know how you get 63 million, so let's do just for holiday.

[Andrew Schlecht]

There you go. 38, 34, or 32. Yeah, yeah.

[Host]

The problem, like, you have to match close to MPJ's contract because of the apron.

[Andrew Schlecht]

I don't think they can. Right. They can't. It's like, they can't. I don't think they can aggregate salaries. The Celtics, at least this is where.

[Host]

The, like, the apron stuff is. Gets really.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah. They can't aggregate. This won't work. Okay, never mind. Never mind.

[Host]

It has to be like. Like for, like.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah. Damn.

[Host]

Yeah. It's tricky. Failed. Failure.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Failure of a thing. And probably. That's probably like, the. The Celtics will be able to get a lot more for Drew Holiday, I'll tell you that. I think that's also a team I kind of want to talk about once we get to it. But. Yeah.

[Host]

Yeah, it's interesting because I think. And a lot of these. I think if you're the Celtics, you're rooting for OKC to win the title because, like, these pesky guards, like, okay, if they win at all, and they are defending guys like Randall and Jokic and players like that with guards. Yeah, it's a copycat league. Everybody's gonna be like, well, how do we get our own Alex Caruso? How do we get a guy that can do all of that for us? Drew Holidays is one of the few players that we know can do it. He's proven he's a little bit older, but he's proven that he can be that kind of guy for you. And so I think if you're the Celtics, you're like, please, okc, win this thing. Because if you do, then it'll be very easy to trade you Holiday in my Opinion.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah. Yeah, I agree. I agree. I honestly, like, I think there would be a lot of teams interested in Drew. That's just, like, the nature of the type of player he is.

[Host]

You know, it'll be easier to trade him than Michael Porter Jr. Right now. Yes.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

[Host]

There's not anything with Detroit, is there?

[Andrew Schlecht]

Do you. Yeah, I guess. Maybe.

[Host]

I mean. I mean, does Tobias Harris and Simone Fontechio interest you?

[Andrew Schlecht]

If you're Denver, maybe. Yeah. You get off money. You get off one year of money. The issue here becomes. It's like the Pistons will eventually. I believe they have to do it this summer. I. I can't remember, but they have to extend Jaden Ivy, and eventually they'll have to extend Sar Thompson. And so, you know, this is the whole thing where teams start to get expensive and all that.

[Host]

Jaden's in. It is a restricted, you know, free agency candidate, though.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, that probably is. Yeah.

[Host]

If you're Detroit, you're like, hey, listen, you didn't play.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah, go get that money.

[Host]

And we're not sure you're a starter, so we're gonna pay you good bench player money.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah.

[Host]

Go to his agent and say that. He's gonna say rfa. Just three letters. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's. He's a. It's a weird one. I would be a little terrified. That extension. Because he was a high lottery pick and he's had some.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yep.

[Host]

You know, high scoring averages. I don't know.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah. But do they believe? Believe. That's a good question. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I guess so. Tobias Harris. Sure. No, I'm not in love with this, but I guess it could work. Yeah.

[Host]

You're a Fontechio guy.

[Andrew Schlecht]

I was. I was when he got traded to Detroit last year, you know, but from Utah. I was like, yeah, you know what? Maybe he could be a rotation guy. He has not been that, though. No.

[Host]

No. That kind of scares me that he is just another one of these guys that's just gonna sit on the bench and just not play at all for Denver.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah.

[Host]

They've done a really good job of acquiring those kind of guys.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah.

[Host]

Over the past year or so.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah. Dario Sariches and.

[Host]

Yeah. Dario, they just refused to even look at him, you know?

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Didn't play him and Zeke just did not play at all.

[Host]

No. Yeah. That Zeke contract, it's not. It's not like it's so big, but it's like, man, he's got three more years.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah. Hopefully Daron Holmes is something hopefully something.

[Host]

That you just kind of kept hearing is like, there is one more rotation player.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah.

[Host]

On the bench. He should be ready for the beginning of next season. You think? I saw him. I saw him warming up, you know, and. And doing all sorts of.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah.

[Host]

Exercises before the games, so.

[Andrew Schlecht]

No, he'll be ready. He'll probably play in the summer league. I'd imagine. It was a. It was during the summer league that that happened. Right. It was a year.

[Host]

I'm. If I'm him, I'm like, thanks. No, thanks.

[Andrew Schlecht]

No, thank you.

[Host]

I'm playing there again. Heck, no.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah. Fair. That's fair.

[Host]

Or you got to face your fears. What are you. Are you a face your fears guy or are you.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah, yeah, I'm definitely like, all right, let's get this over with. I got to do it here. Yeah.

[Host]

Okay. Yeah, I'm typically the same way where I tore my acl. It's like, all right, let's get back in the building.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Oh, really? Yeah.

[Host]

Back to the scene of the crime.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Wow.

[Host]

Yeah. Was it.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Was it weird the first time?

[Host]

Nope.

[Andrew Schlecht]

No.

[Host]

Nope.

[Andrew Schlecht]

See, you faced your fear.

[Host]

It's my fear. You got to do it, too. Jaron Holmes, we believe in you.

[Andrew Schlecht]

We believe in you, Duran.

[Host]

Is there anything with. With maybe some of these guys? And. And before. Before you give me the. Oh, God.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Okay, listen, I like the Wizards. You know, I'm on record here. I like those.

[Host]

The Wizards are a team that can. This is one where it's like, hey, the Wizards, we're not necessarily in The Michael Porter Jr. You know, business here, but we're definitely in the. Give us your first round pick.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah.

[Host]

You know, business here and I. They have Marcus Smart and Chris Middleton, right?

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah.

[Host]

That they're going to trade.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah, for sure.

[Host]

Yeah, that's going to happen. And so I wonder if you could get those guys. And if you're. If you are. I don't know if you can get both of them because it's. I mean, it's 55 million. It's a lot of money. But I just think they're. They are renting their cap space out for. At this point, and so can they rent this cap space? And like, MPJ is not just a guy. Like, he can play. Like, he's going to play. He's going to play at a pretty high level, but I think he's a. He's. He's a guy that. I think that can help this team. I could play him next to Alex Saar offensively, I think, you know, that could help him Good shooter.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah.

[Host]

So I wonder about getting one, at least one of Chris Middleton or Marcus Smart, you know, over there. And then they've got other guys. Like Rashawn Holmes is probably better than any backup center they have.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah.

[Host]

You know, he's a little Chuck Hazy.

[Andrew Schlecht]

You know, he is definitely Chuck Hazy.

[Host]

He's like in the Chuck Hayes realm. Not. Not that they're similar players, but that they are, you know, of the same caliber.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Host]

I just think there's. There's going to. Something is going to happen with these guys. I do not think that Marcus Smart and Chris Middleton are going to be wearing Wizards jerseys for a long time.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Oh, man. I would if I was Denver. I would like to take a chance on Chris Middleton.

[Host]

Okay.

[Andrew Schlecht]

At this point, what do you have to lose? You know, Good shot creator can create his own shot when he's healthy, can be a decent defender.

[Host]

So you take a risk on Sadiq Bay.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Maybe.

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[Andrew Schlecht]

That's your deal. Or I would. I would like Rashawn Homes over Sadiq Bay. Can we do that? Or is that too much? Is that.

[Host]

Yeah, he makes too much. You'd have to. Gonna interest you in a Zeke Naji.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Oh, I'm definitely getting that pick then. I'm definitely getting that 2031.

[Host]

Yeah, that still fails.

[Andrew Schlecht]

That still fails.

[Host]

But it's. I mean, it's something like this.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Host]

Where you get a couple players back.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Andrew, can I interest you in Jordan Pool if you're a Denver?

[Host]

Oh, man. I. I mean, to. To like, take the rest minutes.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah, take the rust minutes. Be coming off the bench, be your guy. I mean, $31 million a year to come off the bench or something. But, you know, at least you got a score. You got a guy basically like absorbs those. Strother Westbrook.

[Host]

Yeah, it's a hard sell for me because if a guy's making 31 million and he can't be a part of my closing five, sure. That's not a great feeling.

[Andrew Schlecht]

I would do it just to see Nicola Jokic's reactions to some of the things Jordan Pool does. I would love that. I think Pool has also had a really good season. He was good in Washington last year. Here. I just say it would be. It would be fun to see that. That would be awesome.

[Host]

Yeah. If. If you love just tortured looks on people's faces, then it would be fun. Yeah. Yeah. There's just no way. There's no way. Right.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah. Or you do. Or like the. You know, actually, I think I'm starting to think there is a version of this that works like you do like Marcus Smart and Ran Holmes, and that will get you to Michael Porter Jr. Money. And now you're doing smart, homes. You get a. You get a backup point guard, Marcus.

[Host]

Smart, another one of these guys that I was talking about that can defend bigger players and.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah.

[Host]

You know. Yeah. That.

[Andrew Schlecht]

You got to take Zeke out of it. Oh, maybe not. Oh, yeah. Okay. All right.

[Host]

Yeah. That's interesting.

[Andrew Schlecht]

And they're expiring contracts, so you don't have to be committed to keeping or taking these guys on long term.

[Host]

Yeah. It just makes you small.

[Andrew Schlecht]

It does. Does make you small. Yeah. But you get a backup 5. You get a guy who probably could. You know, we just talked about. You need your quesos, and you need your Alex Carusos.

[Host]

He's one of those guys for sure.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Smart, has some of that, you know, he definitely does.

[Host]

But if he doesn't stay healthy like he did in Memphis, like, this is.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Risky, then this is terrible.

[Host]

That's part. And that's part of why they were able to get Middleton, too, was because of his health. So. Yeah, I. I don't know. Okay, we can move on from MPJ. We've talked 29, 59 seconds, but we.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Could do a lot of options. Right? That's.

[Host]

I think there's. I think there's options. Are there options that Nuggets fans are excited about?

[Andrew Schlecht]

No, no, no. I don't think there's anything right now, within the last 30 minutes that we've talked about that was interesting.

[Host]

If I was doing a Nuggets podcast, my. The. The title of the summer would be the Summer of Internal Development.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Host]

And it's like, Ron Holmes. Hey, Peyton Watson.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yep.

[Host]

Get him in the film room. Let's really figure out who he is. Julian Strother. He showed some flashes there.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah.

[Host]

The end of the. The Thunder series. We need that guy.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Jalen Pickett. You know Jalen Pickett.

[Host]

Can you not be terrified when we get to the playoffs?

[Andrew Schlecht]

Backup point guard. Yeah.

[Host]

Tyson, you're six eight. You're old for a rookie. What can you do for us? You know, what can we do here?

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah, I agree.

[Host]

Okay. You want to. You want to shift gears to the Celtics?

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah. Yeah, let's shift gears to the Celtics. I have. I have a really spicy trade idea I'm ready to throw at you.

[Host]

Okay. I'm. I'm excited.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Go to the Dallas Mavericks.

[Host]

Oh. Oh, yeah. Gonna happen here. Okay.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Send Drew Holiday to the Dallas Mavericks.

[Host]

Okay.

[Andrew Schlecht]

They need a point guard. Kyrie's out. Drew will be that guy for them for a little bit.

[Host]

Wow.

[Andrew Schlecht]

And wait. What is it? $32.4 million. Okay. Daniel Gafford, P.J. washington. And you can maybe add another guy in there if you want to, but there you go. Yeah. If you want. I don't know.

[Host]

Wow. Okay.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah, sure. Dwight.

[Host]

Who else? Hardy party.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah, sure. Yeah, sure. Why not?

[Host]

Okay.

[Andrew Schlecht]

There you go.

[Host]

This gets you close enough. It's failed, but it gets you close enough.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah. Thoughts, feelings, Concerns?

[Host]

I mean, this is helpful because you get these expiring contracts back.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yep.

[Host]

The Mavs, if they Had Drew Holiday like this would. This would be a very good defensive team.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Oh, yeah.

[Host]

This is a. When. When you. Well, Cooper Flag will eventually be on this trade machine, too.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yep.

[Host]

And when you have Anthony Davis, Drew Holiday, Cooper Flag, Derek Lively, Naji Marshall, I mean, that's a serious team.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah.

[Host]

Even without Kyrie. Like, that team makes the playoffs, I think.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Oh, yeah.

[Host]

If they stay healthy. And then when you get Kyrie back, you can just slide Drew over. Like, that's a serious team. That is interesting.

[Andrew Schlecht]

And then from the Celtic side, like, you get two guys who are probably going to fit into what you need.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schlecht]

P.J. washington, really good three. And D wing, you know, can knock down his shots, can defend at a high level. Gafford is a big. And who knows what happens with Porzingis next season. You need another big. And both of these guys, you can say, all right, we'll give you the year. See what you guys can do. And if we like you, we'll extend you, you know.

[Host]

Yeah. That is really, really interesting.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Make it happen, Nico. Also, I think. I think if you swap out Jaden Hardy with, like, Omax, I guess, or something, it'll.

[Host]

Yeah. I mean, if I'm. If I'm them, I would even. I'd be willing to. Yeah, I know. Max. To do this. You know why? You know why? Because defense wins championships. Okay. And, like, you can have.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Kyrie and Drew could play together, you know, once.

[Host]

Once they could play together. Drew could play with anybody.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah.

[Host]

There's not one player in the NBA Drew Holiday can't play with.

[Andrew Schlecht]

I agree. Yeah. He's awesome.

[Host]

I. I hate you because I don't want the Mavericks to be good. Okay.

[Andrew Schlecht]

I know, I know. This is why I brought it up. This was the first suggestion that I thought of that I was like, how could I ruin Andrews Wednesday morning?

[Host]

That's the best trade of the day.

[Andrew Schlecht]

There we go.

[Host]

And, like, would you.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Would you do this if it was. If. If Boston came back and said, we don't want any of these players. We want Derek Lively.

[Host]

No. Heck, no.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Okay. All right. Okay. Just temperature check. Just one.

[Host]

Yeah. Derek Lively is really good. Yeah, he's really, really good. I've never talked about. I would try Anthony Davis. I wouldn't do. I wouldn't do this timeline. Like.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah, I know, I know.

[Host]

Get me out of this two timeline thing. It's fast.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Start over. Yeah.

[Host]

When has it ever worked?

[Andrew Schlecht]

Well, would you. I mean, we. It would be silly to entertain the Anthony Davis to Boston trade, but you could do it. You could Pull it off.

[Host]

I mean. Yeah, you could. I. The problem is, though, when you're doing the two timeline, you want to trade Anthony Davis for younger players.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

[Host]

You know, you don't want. Drew Holiday is not.

[Andrew Schlecht]

No.

[Host]

Part of that timeline. But this is. This is definitely the most interesting trade of the day, and they. They could make it happen because they're going to need to do something with pj, I think, because you're going to want to allow Cooper Flag to spread his wings and play as many minutes as possible. And what is. He's a four.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yep. And Gafford wants starter money. That was a report that came out. Right. So.

[Host]

Well, good luck.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Good luck. Go get that in Boston. Yeah.

[Host]

Not gonna happen in Boston, but go get it. Free agency. Not going to happen. There's. It's going to be a rude awakening for a lot of players over the next.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah.

[Host]

Few years because of the way that the CBA is set up. It's going to squeeze players like Daniel Gafford totally. You know, it's going to be really challenging for those guys to get the kind of money that they want. Okay, I like that, and I'm mad about it. Who else could use a Drew Holiday, do we think? I mean, that's.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Every team could use a Drew Holiday as wildly as that.

[Host]

Yeah. No question that most teams could, could, and should trade for Drew. What about another team, the Grizzlies, that need. They need to shake up. Yes.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Host]

Is there anything there? Is there enough expiring money? Not really.

[Andrew Schlecht]

No. Not really. Yeah. Sorry, I. I can't. I. I've seen this trade around on social media, and I can't take credit for it, but Jason Timf suggested a John Morant for Jalen Brown trade.

[Host]

Whoa.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah. That's a big one. That's. That's. Let's shake things up big time.

[Host]

Like, John doesn't make enough.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Right.

[Host]

So you might add arc back or contra or something. So they can't be aggregated. That's the problem.

[Andrew Schlecht]

No. So. So Boston can't aggregate, but Memphis can. It's the. Yeah. Yeah.

[Host]

Okay.

[Andrew Schlecht]

So this would work technically, I think. Yeah.

[Host]

Huh. What do you think about that?

[Andrew Schlecht]

I mean, it's interesting. It definitely is. Like, if Jayla. If. If the Celtics want to really change up what they're doing, they're like, we want to change what we want to do, and we want to get another guy in here in. John Morant who can get to the basket, can generate tons of paint touches. We know he has a checkered injury, history gets hurt, etc.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schlecht]

But we're doing this gap year thing and we believe jaw can be really good in Boston. I don't know. I don't think that, I don't think they'll sell themselves on that. I don't think jaw is a, is a guy the Celtics would be interested in. But just an interesting thought. I think this is more interesting for Memphis where you're like Jalen Brown with these three, two, three guys. Not bad, actually. Cool.

[Host]

Jalen's good. Part of the problem there too is like, I don't know. Jalen's 28.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah.

[Host]

And I don't know. I don't know. I don't know that, like, does this make you a better team? For sure.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Host]

Because. And you did a great job of this highlighting that, you know, there's four guards left of the final four right now in the playoffs.

[Andrew Schlecht]

There is. Yeah.

[Host]

And you need a dominant guard in the NBA today. You just do. And if you take a. John Morant is. When he is 100% and he's locked in, he is one of those kind of guys.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah.

[Host]

And so are you willing to punt on one of those guys for a forward who's really good but not like a top level superstar forward? You know, he's been a great number two to Jason Tatum.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah. Who makes more money for longer, by the way. That's the other part of this is like.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Making a lot of money moving forward.

[Host]

It. Yes, it is. That is another issue that you run into. Yeah. I don't know. Are you, are you ready to punt on John Morant if you're the Grizzlies?

[Andrew Schlecht]

I, I, it's tough.

[Host]

Let's say if the Grizzlies called you and like. Yes. We've been listening all year to the NBA daily. Just listen, man. We, we trust your opinion.

[Andrew Schlecht]

We want to thank you. Yes.

[Host]

You're the, the smartest basketball and out there. And we need to know, should we trade John Morant today?

[Andrew Schlecht]

I wouldn't do it. Yeah.

[Host]

You wouldn't.

[Andrew Schlecht]

I wouldn't do it. I'd be too gun shy to trade John Moran. I would rather, I would, I would tell them to try to find a way to try trade Jaren Jackson Jr. And get like a month.

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[Andrew Schlecht]

Of stuff. Yeah.

[Host]

Really?

[Andrew Schlecht]

Because I, I think like, Jaren is a really, really good player. Was the best player for the Grizzlies this year. Want to highlight that Jared was the best player.

[Host]

That's, that's what you say right before you provide an insult so go ahead.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah, yeah. But at the same time, like, you're absolutely gonna have to pay this guy and he's absolutely gonna get a super duper. Actually, I don't know if he's super duper Max eligible, but he's gonna be a max eligible and like. Yeah, that's a lot of money. I think some teams would be willing to pay that money. Like if you're, I don't know, a team that's desperate for a center. I'm thinking of like the Lakers or whatever. I don't know. But yeah.

[Host]

Oh, don't, don't you dick.

[Andrew Schlecht]

I'm sorry. I didn't mean to invoke that.

[Host]

Kidding me. Possible.

[Andrew Schlecht]

No, we don't need to get into Grizzlies, Lakers even.

[Host]

Possible. I would be so mad if that happened. Hold on.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Oh my God.

[Host]

That right.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah. Rui Hachimora, Austin Reeves. No, no, no.

[Host]

It won't get out of town with that.

[Andrew Schlecht]

It won't work. It won't work. You can't do it.

[Host]

God, that would be so bad.

[Andrew Schlecht]

But I would, I would hold on to John Moran. I think, I think the Grizzlies in general, they need to just add depth that they rely on. They were missing Brandon Clark in the playoffs. They couldn't trust Zach Edie for a lot of a big portion of, of the season. Yeah. They lost Jalen Wells. They just need other rotation players next to their group that, yeah, fine tune that group.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Okay. I, I, there's, We could do Drew Holiday ideas for a really long time. Do you feel like they, the Celtics, in their forward thinking ways would ever trade Derrick White or do you see Derrick White as like he is locked in? This is our guy. Him, Jalen Tatum. That's what we're building with after Tatum comes back.

[Host]

I mean, you look at the money that he's owed. He's. His extension kicks in next season.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah. And he's 30 right now.

[Host]

20. 28 million. 30 million and 26. 32 and 27 and a player option for 34.8. He's 30 years old. He is, you know, underrated still probably in the basketball community. He's 16, 4 and 4. Great defender.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah.

[Host]

The best guard, shop blocker in the NBA. I wouldn't trade him. I think you get a boatload for him.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah, I agree.

[Host]

I think he's another guy that you could trade to any team. Yeah, I, I would not trade Derek White. I mean, he's four years younger than, than Drew. I think you should trade one of them.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah. I agree.

[Host]

Both.

[Andrew Schlecht]

I have another Drew Holiday idea.

[Host]

Let's do it.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Go to the Golden State Warriors.

[Host]

Okay.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Drew is a California guy.

[Host]

Yeah, he is.

[Andrew Schlecht]

And I think the warriors. Obviously, Drew has played Team USA Basketball. Pretty sure.

[Host]

Yes, yes, yes, he has.

[Andrew Schlecht]

You know, seems like a Steve Kerr guy, I think fits what they. What they like to do. Moses Moody, Buddy Healed, Trace Jackson Davis, and GI Santos. And the reason I know those names is because I've already looked this trade up. Yeah. G. Santos. Yeah, there we go. And obviously, picks would have to be included in this. That there's no question about. But there's. There's your trade.

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[Andrew Schlecht]

And so the Celtics can take some risks, right? They're, like, cool. Buddy healed can shoot.

[Host]

We.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Like, that can be a guy for us next year. Moses Moody, we think he's not being used properly in. In Golden State. Maybe we can change that. Trace, Jackson Davis big that we can take a swing on again. A young guy. They're getting some young pieces here, right?

[Host]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schlecht]

I mean, and picks. I have to include that. There will be picks involved in this trade, but.

[Host]

This is disgusting. This is. This is a travesty.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Oh, my God. Yeah. So. No, this is not.

[Host]

Yeah. I mean, if you just wanted to get off of Drew Holiday's money, this is a way to do it. Break it into smaller pieces.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yes, exactly. Yeah. You hate this. You're like, this is gross.

[Host]

Yeah, this is so gross. You get. You have the Moses Moody extension. That doesn't look so good because he. I mean, by the end of that series, like, they just needed guys that could play and could not play.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah.

[Host]

You know, Buddy's. He's a. He's a fun shooter, but, like.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah.

[Host]

Really? Is he. Is he playing for Boston? Like, I don't know. I don't know. This would also make me mad, though. Like, the warriors don't need Drew Holiday. Come on, get out of here with that. That makes that team really good.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah.

[Host]

Yeah, you're right, because I can tell you you can go find your next Moses Moody. Trace Jackson Davis pretty easily in the draft.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah.

[Host]

Not that hard. You can. I mean, guys want to go play for the Warriors. Like, you can go find those guys off the scrap heap. Give me a break.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah.

[Host]

Oh, well, that really unsettled my stomach. Okay, let's see. Yeah. I mean, they're. They're a team that. That needs something else, too.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah, for sure.

[Host]

Okay. Anything else. I'm. Have to. I might even have to go after that. I mean, that was. That was tough.

[Andrew Schlecht]

That hurt your stomach Yeah, I don't know. I, like, I. I can again, I can see a lot of teams being willing to trade for Drew Holiday. Yeah. And I also think he's the guy that will end up being traded. I. I think Kristoff's Porzingis on an expiring deal. That's also interesting. You know, makes $30 million. Obviously was limited because of, you know, some kind of illness that he was dealing with. That's interesting. I don't know what team is out there that's like, we want to trade for Christoph Sporting Us. Maybe that's a Nuggets destination. Maybe they're like Jokic and Persingus. Kind of makes sense.

[Host]

Yeah. Man, I wish they could aggregate salary, either one of these teams.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah.

[Host]

I have the Phoenix now.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Oh, God.

[Host]

If you're looking for a way to just clear a bunch of salary, like.

[Andrew Schlecht]

See, this makes me sick. This is just.

[Host]

Kevin is one of those guys, you know, that you can clear salary real fast. You know, he makes 54 million next year. So I don't. I mean, I don't think there's a match here because I don't think you're just, like, swapping Jalen Brown for him.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah, yeah.

[Host]

Like, the only way. God Sons are in some trouble.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah, well, that's. That's like a whole. We could do another 45 minutes on what the Suns are gonna do.

[Host]

Yeah. That's brutal.

[Andrew Schlecht]

They're gonna trade him to Houston, right?

[Host]

Or.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Well, actually, we can't say that for sure because now Giannis is looming.

[Host]

Yeah. Also, if you're Houston, you got to feel pretty good about your team, too.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah, sure. Absolutely. The Warriors. Yeah.

[Host]

I think you trade for Giannis. I don't think I trade for Kevin.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah, I agree.

[Host]

36. He's 36 years old. He's got one year left.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Screwed.

[Host]

They're so screwed. They are so screwed.

[Andrew Schlecht]

They are so screwed. I. I can't even think of it. Like, I. I don't know what they would even do. I. I have no idea.

[Host]

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know how they get out of this mess. But, yeah, you know, I. I will say, on the teams that I think would want to swap places with them, though, it's.

[Andrew Schlecht]

It's sort of interesting to start talking about these conversations about, like, what Phoenix will do, what Denver will do, what Boston will do, what Dallas might do, Golden State, Obviously, a lot of these teams have to make trades, you know.

[Host]

And it's gonna be a very active summer.

[Andrew Schlecht]

It feels like a very active summer already. It feels like we're gearing up for a lot of stuff to happen.

[Host]

Yeah, I think we'll have a lot of emergency podcasts to do this summer which will be very exciting.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Yeah.

[Host]

Please leave us a comment either on this YouTube page or you can comment on Spotify. You can still comment on the athletic app. I know that there's people that have not been super happy with things that have happened on the athletic app lately and I sincerely apologize for any inconveniences that it's caused. But I will say that we I've really enjoyed doing these podcasts on Wednesdays, doing the live stream. So if you're not, if you're listening on the podcast catcher of your choice, you can also watch us live on YouTube. We went a little bit earlier this morning. We typically do, but we'd love to have you join us. Join us live and let us know in the comments on Spotify or even leave us a five star review at Apple Podcasts. You can if you're enjoying these long form shows. We'd really appreciate that. Hope you guys enjoy the rest of your Wednesday. And we're going to talk. Got the conference finals.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Oh yeah.

[Host]

Hugging along.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Oh yeah.

[Host]

We thought we'd bring you something a little bit different today because there's so many podcasts talking about the conference finals. We're just here talking trades.

[Andrew Schlecht]

Talking trades. There's going to be a lot of trade talk this summer. Man, we're going to do this so often because of what's, what's about.

[Host]

I love it. I love team building so much.

[Andrew Schlecht]

So same.

[Host]

Yeah, we'll talk a lot of team building on these Wednesdays. So if you enjoy that, join us Wednesdays on YouTube and we will talk to you guys again tomorrow morning.

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