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Andrew
Welcome to the Saturday Slammin Jam here on the athletic NBA Daily. With me, as always, is my good friend Alex Spears. And on today's show we're talking to Yossi Gosselin of the 3rd Apron podcast and substack about the CBA and common questions that NBA fans may have about the business side of the NBA. Yossi, thanks for joining us.
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Yosi Gosselin
Thanks for having me on. Excited to be on.
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Andrew
So how different will the cap space landscape look next summer compared to this summer? And like what teams do you think are best positioned to have meaningful cap space? Just because I think some people thought this summer would be a little more interesting and it kind of dried up pretty fast.
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Yosi Gosselin
Yeah, I would say the story is that a lot of reporters, they sell the upcoming off season as going to be the biggest ever. And I think in some ways it, they, it actually meets those expectations. This one, not so much depending on your mileage on the Desmond Bain trade, which happened pretty early, Kevin Durant trade, I mean those were the big ones. Yeah, I would say that as far as next year it'll be both a little better the environment, but probably more of the same. And what I mean by that is I think it was, I remember like a year ago around this time it was pretty known that the off season we just had was only going to have one cap space team, the Nets, and then maybe a couple other teams like the Pistons or Grizzlies. But that didn't really, that wasn't used in the traditional sense. The and then the Bucks just came in out of nowhere to sign Miles Turner. The only free agency move, using cap space to sign a player from a different team. So next year right now there's going to be more cap space teams. As of now that could change as we get closer to the off season, maybe the trade deadline. They got teams like the Lakers, the Clippers, the Nets again, Utah, Washington and Chicago. Even though they just extended Josh Giddey, they also will have still have a lot of cap base next summer. So right now there seems like there'll be more spending power. But maybe half those teams are like the the Nets, Wizards, Jazz. They're probably not going to use cap space to go after free agents. And so on one hand there's more money to spend and like Lakers, Clippers, Bulls are all trying to get better. But then you've got the same thing going on each year. Ever since COVID that players are now trending more towards signing extensions. Ever since the 2023 CBA increased how much players can get in extensions, that has only kept players trending towards extensions. So right now if you look at the most best available players, you'll see some nice names. A lot of them have already come off the board. Like you know, Mikhail Bridges, extension extended, several Thunder players extended. So more players will probably extend. Which means like the don't it's pot. It's possible. The two top free agents available next summer are Austin Reeves and Kobe White. And that's mainly because their extension maximums are so low that it doesn't really make sense for them to extend. So there will be a little more spending power which should be good for the middle class of players. For players that aren't necessarily like starters but they're looking to get like mid level type money, the salary cap's going to go up at least 7% as of now. That's a projection. So that's a pretty healthy rise. So there should be more money. There should be a good amount of money to spend for those middle class of players. But without the, without any like true all star players becoming available. Very possible that team that some of a lot of these teams that are trying to be competitive, that are project that cap space might end up just using up their flexibility earlier, maybe around the trade deadline.
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Co-host/Interviewer
So I want to ask you about the Celtics because they've been very aggressive this summer shedding salary and everyone gets it. You know, Jason Tatum hurt his Achilles. So it seems like it's going to be a gap year. But how easy is it going to be for them to rebuild this roster next summer when Jason Tatum is coming back? Like are they going to what's going to be available to them with their current roster set up?
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Yosi Gosselin
So I've written about the, about the Celtics. I wouldn't call it a rebuild. This like little retool they're doing. It shouldn't last too long, maybe no more than two years where they've got two things they're trying to navigate. One is the salary cap aspects, the aprons, attacks which they're currently. That's the priority right now. They traded Jrue Holiday for Anthony Simon's expiring contract. They traded Christoph's Porzingis for less fewer and fewer salaries. And they are out of the second apron which means that they won't have to deal with their 2020, 2033 pick being frozen. And you're, you're eliminating the possibility of the pick that already is frozen for maybe dropping to the end of the first round. But they are about like 12 million above the tax I think. So they are like they went from being like 40 something million above the tax to like 12 million. Like they're on the cusp of being able to get under the tax and I expect they will. They're not going to be a contender this year. They're not going to win the championship and it's possible they're even a lottery team depending how things go. And I think no matter what, they just want to duck the tax not only this year, but potentially next year. And the reason for that is because this is something that with okc, you know, you'll probably be familiar with. The Celtics are now repeat taxpayers. They were taxpayers three consecutive seasons, so they hit that criteria of being taxpayers in three of the previous four seasons. They would pay higher rates if they finish above the luxury tax. So I suspect that they're going to get under the tax this year and the next. So then you're no longer under the tax for those three or four years and that actually sets them up to be standard taxpayers for three straight seasons. So like that this would be like the rest of their decade. Duck the tax, 26, duck attacks 27 and then 28, 29, 30. Reload your team, go for it, spend as much as you can with and it's the, the penalties will be pretty reasonable as to what they can do to make the team better. They've got, I feel like next year will be somewhat of a tight window for them to do that where they've got this big trade exception they got from trading Chris Tops for Zingus. They could potentially use it to bring in somebody within that amount, like 22 million. Maybe you bring in a new starter there. Obviously where they fall in the draft will be could be consequential. Maybe they could find a cornerstone if they're a lottery team this year. But also I think probably trade and maybe trading for cost effective players on rookie contracts that they see could be a cornerstone for their next great Celtics team. They basically have all their first round picks going forward, except for one in 2029. And then, you know, they can't trade their 2032 right now. So they could make some stuff happen that way. But the goal would be if, okay, you, if you want to use that trade exception, you want to make some trades that are still going to want to get below the tax next year. So I think it's going to be somewhat of a slow process. I think it'll take probably two years before they finally get those extra pieces, get the depth necessary to put the Celtics back into contender status. But to go along with that, that getting out of the repeater tax so they have more, more of a willingness to spend once a team is fully for.
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Co-host/Interviewer
Right.
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Andrew
Yeah, yeah. They have a, they have a long way to go. Like who, like who would you even say is their best big man right now?
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Yosi Gosselin
It's got to be Kada, right?
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Co-host/Interviewer
Boucher?
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Yosi Gosselin
Isn't he crushing it in the Euro?
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Andrew
He is. Any, any Garza heads out there. I mean, like, I don't know. I mean, they have a long way to go. You know, once, once they get everybody back, I'll be very interested because this team is, this is clearly not the roster they want. But like you said, you have to be really strategic with this new CBA and how you function and it. And it makes a lot of sense for them. I like how you laid that out. One more interesting detail of the second apron is the idea of a team's first round pick being frozen and being moved to the end of the first round. How soon are we from seeing a team's like picks being moved to the end of the first round and frozen like that?
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Yosi Gosselin
I think that we are a little bit far from it. I would be surprised if there's any team anytime soon. The only team who's really at risk right now is Cleveland. If they stay over the second apron for three years in a row. They're about to enter the first year over the second apron and I suspect they'll only stay over the second apron for two years. Then Donovan Mitchell will have his player option. Maybe he'll opt out. You know, we'll see what happens there. He'll be in his 10th year. Maybe they want to, maybe they, they don't want to bring him back. So if he's gonna demand a max contract and they'll just try to get below the second stable of the second apron with the guys they've got, I would guess that the best chance of seeing that happen is with the Thunder. This is something that you and I Andrew have talked about where they're going to enter the second apron potentially next season. 26, 27 maybe they could find a way to delay it by an additional year. So either way, if they're going to remain elite contenders, they're consistently going to the finals, Western Conference finals. They get another ring then there's probably going to be more justification to keep spending stay above the second apron. And that fro that that dropped first round pick might not really hurt the Thunder all that much since they have such a huge surplus of picks. Yeah, they don't have any extra picks in the early 2000s but they, they still, they still have this surplus of picks. They're gonna get more picks somehow they'll figure it out. So I would, it would probably be them as long as they remain contenders.
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Co-host/Interviewer
What about the Knicks because they added another big contract this summer with the Mikhail Bridges deal. So now they've got four guys that they're paying big money to. What is their cap future look like as it relates to the second apron?
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Yosi Gosselin
So they're, they're below the second apron this year. So they still haven't entered it. So they'll probably enter it next year provided they keep all their guys, the top five guys. Then Bridges extension kicks in. Maybe though there could be a way that they're able to not stay over it for too long because when they got Towns I kind of, I projected they'd have like a four year window with the first two years really being the window like the best chance. And this upcoming season is going to be their best chance with all the injuries going on the east where these players are right now, their age are like, like, you know, they're, they're deceptively not young. I believe Bridges and Brunson are Both just turned 29. I know one of them at least turned 29. So this is really the time to win it now. But if they, you know things, if they can justify it, maybe they'll stay over the second apron more than two years. I would guess they try to keep it at two years of this four year window but we'll see. It'll be kind of, it'll be a stretch but by the end of this, by the end of Towns's contract he's got a player option. Maybe he'd be willing to do some type of Rudy Gobert extension where he takes a, a pay cut for long for more years. I. There's stuff they could do and then that could, but then that could help. That would probably mostly to subsidize paying McBride so then I think they'd still be over the second apron. So I would guess that by the time like you know, three years from now if it's time for them to decide if they want to stay over the second apron for a third year in a row, I would think they choose not to. I think there's a good chance that the some of their core guys will be out of their primes and just knowing the nature of the league they'll probably even have moved some of their top five guys by then. So Nick's I would say less likely than Thunder.
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Andrew
You were right about them turning 29. They are a day apart. The oh okay that's really 30th and 31st of August it's Mikhail's one day older than than Jalen Brunson. Jalen Brunson has the same birthday as Alex and his friend the L man. So shout out to the lman and Jalen Brunson on their birthdays. Okay let's talk about the Lakers. They are clearly going to plan for the future. They've stated that the goal of building a championship team around Luca. What does their cap future look like and how soon can we be talking about who the second star is going to be in this post LeBron era.
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Yosi Gosselin
So they have what it might be like a two year maybe even three year window to capitalize on this flexibility and like they can have 50 million cap space 2026 if they can't sign someone they could probably still find a way to get like 5060 million in cap space 2027 when Jokic and Giannis have their player options that seems to be the one of them seems to be the rumored desire target dream target so and obviously both those both years would mean like if they use their cap space they don't it doesn't factor in LeBron he'll either have left or resigned for much less. So I would say though we can definitely look at it over the next two years. They'll try to get something done. I they're the Lakers. If Giannis and or Jokic are interested in in playing with Luke in LA it'll happen. It would just be like and and though and the teams of those players wouldn't just let them leave in free agency they'd probably figure out some type of deal that to get it and that which means those that those players will switch teams earlier I wouldn't anticipate any of that happening but like those specific players but either way I I would I would suspect that how whoever the Lakers cash in their flexibility on, it'll probably be through a trade. Maybe they get a player who is going to be an upcoming free agent and eventually would want and makes clear they'd like to sign there. So I think the big question is if they can't, you know, they can, they can wait and take the risk waiting out on potentially Giannis or Jokic if either of those guys ever want to come or maybe some opportunities come along over the way where okay, maybe this guy, he's an all star. He's not like an all NBA guy. You know, is it worth cashing in our chips now on this, on this player who's like a sure thing, who, who wants to be here, we can get him now I guess the question who that is, we'll, we'll find out as the season develops. So I would. And just knowing the Lakers of it all, I would guess they get somebody within now through next season's trade deadline, the 2027 trade deadline. I, I would guess they use up their flexibility, trade their extra, whatever picks they have to get something done. In this 18 month or so timeline I just laid out, how big of.
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Co-host/Interviewer
An obstacle is a future Austin Reeves contract to this cap space plan? Like can they sign him to a reasonable deal and still have space? Or if they did sign him, does it become like a trade only scenario for them to get us a star?
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Yosi Gosselin
So as far as this off season, they could use about 50 million in cap space and then resign him, going to whatever they want to give him because he's got that low cap hold. If they resign him and they didn't make their big move, let's say they give him something that's like, you know, on the higher end, 35 million a year, I don't think he gets that high, but let's just say that he ends up getting something that high. They could still get to the max contract necessary for a Giannis or Yoko. Just by offloading Jared. Yeah, just by offloading like Jared Vanderbilt. Because that they just have like no, they have no long term money on their books. It's just Luca and then everybody else like Aiden Smart, they'll have expired. And then just like the rookie, the guys who recently are on rookie deals like Connect Bronnie, the Arrow, like that's kind of it. That's all the money they really have. And then whatever they give Reeves.
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Andrew
Wow.
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Yosi Gosselin
Yeah. No, well, it's very possible get you.
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Andrew
Get your imaginations rolling Lakers fans, because anything is possible, which is what we learned this Season, which is just.
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Yosi Gosselin
And I detailed this on third Apron as well on the sub stack. Please subscribe everyone. You can check it out there. I really got into nitty gritty with my projections, man.
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Co-host/Interviewer
Okay, so on a podcast earlier this summer, CJ McCollum, he talked about how teams shouldn't be punished for drafting. Well, suggesting that teams should be able to keep all the players they draft through some new CBA provision that doesn't exist yet. Have you heard or do you have any, like, favorite solutions for a future CBA that could address something like this? I mean, obviously we're Thunder fans, so we're thinking about this a lot, but there's a lot of solution, like the Houston Rockets or the Orlando Magic or Detroit Pistons. Like, there's a lot of teams in this recent like, tank rebuild that have a lot of young players on their team that are about to come up for big contracts.
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Yosi Gosselin
I, I absolutely agree that there should be some type of solution because everything that the NBA has done in the past decade plus is to try to disincentivize players like LeBron from joining the Heat, Durant joining the Warriors. I really wanted to prevent stars from switching teams. And I think for the most part the league and players are in like an acceptable place where that is as far as player movement, especially since we now rarely see players outright leave their teams. It's usually done through a trade. So at least a team gets somebody back. As I went to, so I went to summer league this year. I was at a sports business classroom and just not only there, but just in summer league in general. I think this was the first time I really started to hear people try to brainstorm solutions to, to this because I think there's definitely a real like a great like cloud of agreement that, yeah, something should be modified to help because now the rules are punishing teams for drafting too well. So what can a solution be?
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Yosi Gosselin
The one I feel like, and this is, you know, how it actually would play out in practice. It still needs some, a lot of more thought, a lot of work. But I think the one that kind of might make the most sense is some type of credit system, something where you can designate players that you drafted. And I know some international leagues do something where the player doesn't count against the cap, slash, tax, whatever it is, maybe you can do it where, okay, maybe only counts as this percentage of your cap. That's one way. And I feel like that might end up if I have to predict. I think that might be the most sensible way. Just about how do you make that in practice? A good friend of mine proposed, well, why not just eliminate. How about 30 max for everybody? I think that's kind of a different discussion about well, maybe should we modify the max contract system? But that might end up kind of factoring into this. I, but either way, I do think there is. They're starting to be some at least like yeah, brainstorming of something should be done. Something should be done to modify the system a little bit. We can't punish teams for, for doing such a great job. Like this is exactly what the NBA wanted. They wanted teams like the Thunder to focus on the draft and, and they, they absolutely crushed it better than any other. Like, it's hard to, it's really hard to compare like better cases and what the Thunder had done in the past five years. Oh, now, but now you know what we. It's going to be, it's going to cost like $500 billion, $500 million a year eventually to keep this team together. Yeah, something should, eventually, something should be modified about this.
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Andrew
Yeah. And like you mentioned the Rockets, like if Reed shepherd pops this year, like that's like another situation like down the road for them. Like they aren't going to be able to keep everybody. That's just going to be the nature of this. The Bucks, Sons and Grizzlies all use the stretch provision this summer, totaling 223 million in salaries that were waived and stretched. Which is just crazy because I read this between 2013 and 2024 the total was 320 million. So we're only like 100 million off from, you know what like this 11 year run was in one summer which is just seems wild. Is this something that we're going to see more of or is this like a very specific summer with these wave and stretch provisions?
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Yosi Gosselin
I think that these, these max stretches, that's what I'm calling them because yeah, they're literally for the Suns. And who's the other team? The Bucks. They literally use the stretch provision to the max extent that they could within the salary cap rules. I think that's mostly a result of just decisions that they made in the past. You know, trading for Lillard. I don't think anyone really predicted it. Things to go as poorly as it did. And then for this entry to happen, I think that's mostly like the Blazers mistake for giving him an extension with three years on his contract. Giving him a two year extension, a max extension with that much time remaining. Because that you gotta like, I feel like you got to get closer to the end of the extension because now Lillard's gonna end up not playing a single game under that two year extension. Now the Suns did something similar with Devin Booker. Not saying that's gonna happen, the same thing, but trading for Bradley Beal, that was again, that's the mistake that they're paying for now, taking in that contract. Again, the Wizards made the mistake giving him that contract, but now the Suns are paying for it. So the question is, are there any teams on the horizon that have made a bunch of really bad mistakes bringing in a bad contract, signing a bad contract? The only team that really comes to mind are the Sixers. They, last year they went on a spending spree. They gave Joel Embiid a three year max extension that's going to kick in next year. They're gonna, they gave Paul George's max contract. And we don't, we're not even certain how those guys are gonna look this year. I would guess there's a greater than 50 chance that over the next two years one of those guys ends up getting stretched and it could end up being a max stretch sort of situation with, with the Sixers. And then this kind of goes back to what I was saying in their last previous discussion about why not do Mac 30 Max for everybody? Because I think we're starting to see 35 max kind of, it kind of feels understood that unless you are a top five player, like one of the perennial first team all NBA guys, in my opinion, I don't, I don't feel any other type of player is really worth that amount. That 35 max. And with Beal, with Lillard, that's, that's what, that's what's, that's what those teams got burned on those contracts not working out and eating and now they got to eat it up. They got to pay these guys not to play for them.
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Co-host/Interviewer
Okay, Yossi, this is a new segment called Yossi Explains it All. Basically I was, I was on Wikipedia last night trying to come up with cap questions and you know, we probably have some listeners who maybe are like vaguely familiar with the cap. They hear some of these terms. I thought it'd be nice just to go through of them, have you explain them. So for instance, could you explain the over 38 rule and how that affects a potential Rockets extension with Kevin Durant?
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Yosi Gosselin
So I'll try to explain this one as simply as possible because this one's actually pretty, the actual full extent of this rule is pretty complicated. Even I don't truly understand it because like Kevin Durant, basically the over 38 rule, it doesn't prohibit a guy like him, who's 37, 38, from signing an extension, more than a three year extension that takes him beyond his 838 season. That's what the rule basically does. So which includes the current year. So he can only really add two years. The rule doesn't really prohibit him from only adding two years, but it does something where, okay, let's say you want to give him like four more years, then the money is actually kind of like spread out even more in the future. It's really wacky. And, and it's called deferred money. And teams don't want to deal with that. Like, okay, you want to give this guy more than an extension, a bigger extension? Well, the money's gonna extend into even years beyond that. So that's why you never see any extension for those older players beyond the, the limitations. So it's just like a mechanism that disincentivizes older players like Kevin Durant from being on a contract that's greater than three years. That's basically the gist of it.
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Co-host/Interviewer
That's almost sound. I was just shout out to Brett Coleman. He's a NFL YouTube guy, but he made a really long video about the NFL cap and how deferred payments are like the big way that teams get around. Like, it's why the Eagles have just like stacked the roster. And we don't talk about that a lot. And I never made that connection until you just said the deferred money thing with the over 38 roll. But that is kind of what it is. You're just like deferring money, stretching out as long as possible so you can get these older guys in. Okay, thank you. Thank you, Yossi.
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Yosi Gosselin
Yeah, I, I, that's. If the NBA ever delves into that, starts adding the deferred money, I'm just, my brain's gonna explode. I'll figure it out. But like, yeah.
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Andrew
Could you explain what it means for a team when one of their restricted free agents like Cam Thomas or potentially Jonathan Kaminga picks up the qualifying offer? Can they still be traded that season when they enter unrestricted free agency? Does their original team have any leg up on other teams in terms of what they can offer?
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Yosi Gosselin
So the first part, once you pick up your qualifying offer, you know that amount, it's a set amount based on the rookie scale. So Cam Thomas picked it up. He now has veto rights for, in a trade for, for the whole year. The main reasons, because since it's A one year deal. Whenever a player with Bird rights sign, it's a one year deal, they get veto rights. Because the NBA doesn't want teams signing players to big one year deals just for the purpose of trading them. So if Cam Thomas were to get traded, his new, he would lose his Bird rights, He would have non Bird rights and he, which would limit how much his new team could resign him to. I don't think that's like as bigger an issue for him than it would be for Kaminga and the warriors. Because Jonathan Kaminga's got this 8 million dollar qualifying offer and he reportedly has like a 2 year, 45 million dollar deal on the table, but it requires him to give up his veto rights in a trade. And for him that's pretty, he would want to keep them. They're pretty valuable because no matter what, if he gets traded, yeah, he loses his Bird rights. But if he takes that deal and he's making like $21 million, that's like high enough where the non Bird rights can get his next contract. That's something, you know, roughly that in that range, like the contract's already high enough. So losing the Bird rights isn't an issue. I guess the big question is like, is Kaminga really gonna give up that much guaranteed money to accept this qualifying offer? The history of players accepting their qualifying offers and like the type of money they get after, they're like rarely, it's rarely a case where they get, they get that money back. And it would be really bad for the warriors because with the Nets it's like Cam Thomas, he doesn't have that much trade value. Like there's no, there wasn't much interest in him around the league. If he were to walk next summer as an unrestricted free agent, I don't think that would really bother them, especially since they have a lot of new pieces in the backcourt to work on. With the warriors it's pretty obvious that everything they're doing with Kaminga situation is, has the intent of they want to bring him back so they could trade him later. Because I think the optics of their draft of the past five years, selecting James Wiseman and then getting nothing for him, I don't think they want to repeat that with Kaminga. They want to get a little something for him.
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Andrew
So.
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Yosi Gosselin
And he's aware that that's what the intent of this whole situation is. So if he accepts his qualifying offer, that would destroy the warriors chance of getting something good, something for him. I would nuke his trade value. He keeps his Veto rights. And the an interested team's not going to give up that much for him because well guess what? That new team won't be able to pay him market value. Yeah.
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Andrew
So.
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Yosi Gosselin
And then what was, sorry, what was the second part of your question?
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Co-host/Interviewer
Oh, just when they get to unrestricted, does like would the warriors have a leg up on anyone?
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Yosi Gosselin
Yes. Yeah, those. So if, if Kaminga picks it up, he, he and he finishes the year with the warriors, he would keep his Bird rights. So then there's still kind of a small chance of the worst getting, being able to get something for him through sign and trade and then he can still get paid. Whether he resigns with the warriors or gets signed and traded, the Bird rights would still be there. So that's the other big question. If he like if he's gonna pick up his player option, is he really prepared to like spend it in the entire another year with the warriors potentially buried behind the starters? You know, is that a risk worth taking ahead of unrestricted free agency? Okay, maybe there's some more cap space teams. Maybe we'll get some clarity on the Kawaii situation and the Clippers will need a wing. Yeah, it's a lot of risk I think for the Kaminga to take that qualifying offer. In my opinion. Even if he like he'd really want to hurt the warriors more than he values his like immediate financial situation for him to take it.
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Co-host/Interviewer
Okay, next one. Could you explain the second round pick exception rule that was introduced in the new CBA and how that has changed the second round of the draft?
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Yosi Gosselin
So the second round pick exception, just a normal like signing exception, just like the mid level just applies to second round picks if you, if it basically adds a rookie scale to second round picks where if you can sign up to a three year deal at a certain set amount or a four year deal at a also pretty similar set amount and they, they would have team options at the end. This rule was mainly added as a safeguard against some teams making some pretty questionable decisions with the way they were signing their draft picks. Because back before this rule if you, if a team wanted to sign a player, a second round pick to a multi year deal, so a deal above two years you had to use either cap space if you had it or a mid or a portion of your mid level exception. So teams couldn't really ever use the full mid level exception if they had some like a high second round pick that they wanted to give a multi long, multi year deal to. A big example of this would be the Lakers when they, they didn't give, they, they, they would use, they would use their entire mid level exception on veterans. They would give Austin Reeves a tier deal. He made it to restricted free agency early and there was question that they're gonna have. They might lose them because another team might overpay him on this, this, what do they call it, the, the some toxic type contract. I forgot what it's called.
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Co-host/Interviewer
Poison pill.
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Yosi Gosselin
I think poison pill replies is something else. But the Gilbert Arenas one. Oh the good Arenas provision where like there's like a spike in the third or fourth year that end up happening actually worked out well for the Lakers and they got him because he's on a nice contract right now. So and, and there's other, other instances where a team only had a player on a two year deal and that may have backfired on them. So that's mostly a safeguard where okay, now you can just give your second round pick a three or four year deal easily. You don't have to worry about them, you know, over having to pay them earlier. You can keep them on a third year at that minimum amount. As far as how it's affected the second round, I'm not sure if it really has. Maybe it has a little bit because a lot of selections, a lot of the second round pick selections, a lot of them are kind of like handshake agreements. Like okay, we'll take you here if you're willing to take this type of contract. But I think mostly two ways have influenced those type of decisions. Maybe for the later ends but where, okay, we'll take you 50th, but you got to take a two way. So maybe, maybe you know, still early in this new cba, maybe that has influence where certain players might go at the top of the second round. Like I know what's Rasheer Fleming Usually the top of the second round you get above the rookie minimum. The Hornets gave Calbrenner and CEON James above the minimum. They were able to do that. But then Rasheer Fleming was a 31st pick. Suns gave him the rookie minimum which is a little, which is unusual for the 31st pick. So maybe there was some type of agreement. Hey, like if you, he really wanted to be with the Suns and the sun's like okay, but you got to take this minimum amount. So maybe, maybe that had to do with it. I guess we'll find out over time.
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Andrew
I need to know your thoughts on this. Everybody's talking about it. Pablo Torre put out a podcast about everything that's going on with The Clippers and quiet if you want to hear more about it. We released an episode on Thursday afternoon as Dave Defore and Pablo and Part one and then with Sam Amic and Dave in Part two. But let's say that what I think is probably going to happen now is like they're going to be found guilty of something very bad. And, and let's say that they get hammered similar to what the Wolves were back in the days of Joe Smith in the early 2000s. What explain like what that would do to the Clippers moving forward and like how like how bad this is for them as a franchise.
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Yosi Gosselin
I had a Sam Quinn on, on my podcast on Tuesday. We got into like the actual hypotheticals, like what if stuff happened first. We're pretty much convinced that unless there is that quote unquote smoking gun that this is going to drag into the season, in which case whatever potential penalties happen probably won't be until next year.
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Andrew
Yeah, I think that's right. I think that even, even if you think that the smoking gun was released Thursday morning, it probably will drag on for a lengthy amount of time, I would guess.
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Yosi Gosselin
Yeah. So then the other thing is how what you know, what would a likely hammer look like? And the biggest thing you're hurting the Clippers with is by eliminating some first round picks. And we saw with the Joe Smith situation, he lost. The Wolves lost five first round picks and but they ended up restoring two of them. Me and Sam had a really interesting debate about which situations worse and he, he came to the conclusion that the Joe Smith circumvention was worse because the Wolves got a player they otherwise probably wouldn't have gotten. Whereas the Clippers they still could have signed quite they signed them to the max. They had the cap space to legally do it. I said I agree but also felt like the actual circumvention that the Clippers did was worse even if its impact the result wasn't as bad as what the Wolves and Joe Smith did. So that's another thing you kind of have to weigh. But I would guess that all things considered they probably the league probably holds both kind of equal. So in which case you're probably the Hammer is probably a maximum of three first round picks. I kind of feel like if even if there is a smoking gun that it's gonna be like maybe at most a first round pick. It just feels like, I don't know like from Silvers or Marks, it feels like he doesn't, he really just does not want to punish the Clippers. But what Would that Hammer be? Well, the Clippers have, you know, if it's three first round picks, it'd probably just be the soonest ones. That's what the NBA did with the Wolves back then. They have their 20s. Their soonest ones they have are 27, 29, 31. So if it is three first round picks, those are probably it. If the Clippers can't trade them so they could trade their 31. So you know, if they were able to trade that one, then okay, it'll be the next leader one. I'm sure. If you know, if you're the Thunder, you might be feeling a little better about that extra pick you still have by the Clippers this year. I think the Sixers must be feeling pretty good about the having a clippers pick in 2028. The one interesting thing that Sam brought up though is like well they owe swaps in 27 and 29 I believe both to the Sixers maybe or. No, no, the 27 I think to the Thunder still.
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Andrew
Yeah, 27s to OKC. Yeah.
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Yosi Gosselin
How would there's if, if the NBA were to get rid of those, eliminate those picks from the Clippers, then those picks have protections on them like the, for the swap to convey. There's like very light minimal protections. Maybe the Thunder and, and the Sixers might have some protests about how that is because if you're taking away those picks, maybe you kind of now you're putting the Clippers in position. Maybe they, they could. I don't think they'd be like a, a top five worst team in the league fall within the protected range. But there's kind of like a conflict of interest now with the teams that already have those outgoing swaps. So I don't know how that would be addressed. Like I'm just sure that like if those picks get taken away, the Thunder and Sixers might just want to have a word with the league about how that might affect them. Just make sure that they could at least get that swap. Make sure they're not doing anything that puts the Clippers in a position where they make sure they keep the pick or something. I don't know. It's just something the we've never. I don't think the Wolves had any outgoing pick swaps back then, so it's just an interesting wrinkle to this.
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Co-host/Interviewer
Okay, last question for Yosi explains it all. Could you explain how the rules around reaching the salary for changed in the most recent CBA?
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Yosi Gosselin
So yeah, another I guess it's last part of OKC hour where there was the salary forward, it's 90% of the cap teams are obligated to reach that amount. In the previous cba, all that would happen if you didn't reach the amount by the end of the season is that money. The owner doesn't get the pocketed. It gets redistributed back to your, your, their players on the, on the. Who played on the team that year then and the in 2021. I believe the Thunder did it 2022, the spurs did. Or maybe I'm mixing the years around but those two teams, they, they just like, oh, you know what? We, we carried over this cap space and seer we couldn't do anything with it. We're happy to just, you know, pay our, give it back to our players. And I'm sure a lot of agents were not happy about that. That that's like money that didn't go to other players. And the players pushed for a rule, you know, more rules to prevent teams from rolling over so much money into the season. So what did they do? They implemented two things. One, you, you, you're going to want to get to the floor at the start of the season. They made it where you cannot really at all be under the floor during the season, which, so you got to get. So whatever the differences between the, the cap and the floor, that 10%, that's all you can roll over into the season. If you fail to get to the floor for whatever reason, you then lose out on whatever that amount is. So like let's say you're like 5% under the floor. Well, you're gonna automatically get bumped up to that. The floor in terms of cap space. So you don't get extra cap space. But then also you lose out on the luxury tax distribution. All that money that the taxpayers spend, you don't get a piece of that free money. I might be missing out on another penalty, but those are the main ones and those alone have stopped teams from staying below the salary floor. Right now the nets are below it. They'll get to it. They'll probably roll over that. It'll be like 15 million in caps basically carry into the season. They'll probably do another salary dump or two to get to the floor.
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Andrew
All right, we're going to take a quick break. We'll come back, we'll do some trivia.
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Andrew
Yes.
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Yosi Gosselin
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Yosi Gosselin
See capital1.com for details.
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Andrew
And we're back after that quick break. Now it's time for some ter, like, terrifying, like, CBA trivia that I am not ready for whatsoever.
- [52:24]
Co-host/Interviewer
Yeah, we're getting deep in the cba. This week on Andrew Versus the Beat, our weekly tribute show where Andrew goes head to head against the NBA beat writer, or in this case, Yosi Golin. You can find him at the third apron. Hey, great name, Yosi, because I was googling it is the first thing that shows up. That term is not used anywhere else, which is really great.
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Yosi Gosselin
Yeah, we'll see if we get a third apron. And then NBA.
- [52:47]
Co-host/Interviewer
Like that would screw.
- [52:48]
Yosi Gosselin
Ask me. Ask me actually to change it.
- [52:52]
Co-host/Interviewer
So how this works, I've come up with eight questions that are about the salary cap in some way. Some are easy, some are hard. So you're gonna give me a number between 1 and 8. It will correspond to a question. If you get it right, you'll get at least two points. If you get it wrong, Andrew, have a chance to steal for one. And we'll go back and forth until all the questions have been asked and answered. So, Yosi, what number would you like to start with?
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Yosi Gosselin
Wait, what are we picking between.
- [53:17]
Co-host/Interviewer
Sorry, one through eight.
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Yosi Gosselin
Let's do eight.
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Co-host/Interviewer
Question number eight. Rank these players by how many games they played after signing a contract during the cap Spike summer of 2016. So I'm going to name four players who received a contract in the summer of 2016, and you're going to rank them from most games played to fewest games played. Okay. Those players are Lual Dang, Alan Crab, Jan Mahiny, and Hassan Whiteside. Once again, that is Lu Al Deng, Allan Crab, Jan Mihin, and Hassan Whiteside.
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Andrew
Wow.
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Yosi Gosselin
So who's going first? Does it matter?
- [54:05]
Co-host/Interviewer
So you're just going to give me your ranking, and I won't tell you which if each individual one is correct, I'll just tell you if all four were correct.
- [54:13]
Yosi Gosselin
Okay. Def. I'm. I believe Hassan Whiteside is number one, Alan Crab's number two, and then it's about danger Mahin me for three or four. I feel like I know those guys, like basically only lasted a year after signing their respective contracts. I'm gonna say three Mahin me four Dank.
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Co-host/Interviewer
Yosi, you nailed it. That is correct. Oh. Freaked out my dog. I was. He was. She's so excited about your answer. Great. I just realized that I lost my pen. I lost my pen. Andrew.
- [54:52]
Andrew
Oh, no.
- [54:53]
Co-host/Interviewer
I found it.
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Yosi Gosselin
I didn't mean to bring so much excitement. I'm sorry, guys.
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Co-host/Interviewer
That was very impressive. Yeah. So actually you doubted Jan Mahimi. He did play 180 games post contract shout out. Luol Dang only played 79 after he signed that 4 year deal. All right, Andrew, board is yours.
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Andrew
Oh, wow. Number one.
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Co-host/Interviewer
Question number one. Which player received the largest contract by total value during the cap Spike Summer of 2016? We obviously, we remember all the fun contracts.
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Andrew
I know. I feel like this is a player that stayed with their team that summer. But I'm trying to remember who that was. Gosh, who would that have been?
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Co-host/Interviewer
Are you thinking John Lure?
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Andrew
I'm thinking of the tackle box. John Lure. That's the one I'm thinking of. Golly. This is not, this is not even.
- [56:10]
Yosi Gosselin
A guy who I will say. I'll give you.
- [56:13]
Andrew
He knows. Oh my God. No, don't.
- [56:16]
Co-host/Interviewer
Why would you give a hit?
- [56:17]
Andrew
Absolutely.
- [56:18]
Yosi Gosselin
I feel like giving him hints. I, I, if I, if it is the player I believe it is. I, I believe it is related to a John Lure team.
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Co-host/Interviewer
Oh, Andrew, you have to get it now.
- [56:32]
Andrew
Oh my gosh.
- [56:34]
Co-host/Interviewer
If you don't get it now, I'm giving you negative points. You're gonna get negative two.
- [56:41]
Andrew
Oh, no. I'm gonna get negative two. Make it negative two ghost points because I just don't know that I know this. I like. That was not the name that I was thinking of whenever you said that I was not thinking of that wow of that player.
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Co-host/Interviewer
I sent that hint to Yossi. I just came to my brain and then we made a connection and we're giving it. We're giving you the points. Basically.
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Andrew
We're giving me the points and you're refusing to take. It's not Amari Stoudemire. That's the only name I could think of. But that's wrong. Gosh.
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Co-host/Interviewer
Are you giving up Andrew?
- [57:16]
Andrew
Yeah. Yeah.
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Co-host/Interviewer
Okay, Yosi, who was it?
- [57:20]
Yosi Gosselin
I believe it was Mike Conley.
- [57:22]
Co-host/Interviewer
It was Mike Conley. 5 years, 153 million teammate of John Lure. All right, Yossi, you're up three zip even with the hint. That's really flexing Andrew when he gives you the hint. He still gets the point.
- [57:42]
Andrew
He's technically up five.
- [57:45]
Co-host/Interviewer
Oh yeah, I forgot I was giving you negative points. Okay, Yossi, board is yours.
- [57:50]
Andrew
Oh, I'm so mad.
- [57:52]
Yosi Gosselin
Oh, okay, let's go 2.
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Co-host/Interviewer
2. My favorite question. In 2011, the spurs signed Matt Bonner to a contract with a unique clause. Bonner would get an extra $100,000 if his field goal percentage, free throw percentage and three point percentage added up to at least this number that. Now for this question, you get to choose who answers first. So you can make Andrew answer first and then you go higher or lower. Or you can answer first and then Andrew would go higher or lower. So you just have to give me what that total percentage was that was in his clause.
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Yosi Gosselin
Total percentage of. Of what exactly again?
- [58:29]
Co-host/Interviewer
Field goal percentage, free throw percentage, three point percentage. Added those up.
- [58:35]
Yosi Gosselin
That's a weird criteria.
- [58:38]
Co-host/Interviewer
Yes, it is.
- [58:40]
Yosi Gosselin
Laughs I'm gonna guess 50, 40, 90. What does that add up to?
- [58:48]
Co-host/Interviewer
54. That's 180.
- [58:49]
Andrew
180.
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Yosi Gosselin
Okay. Yeah, I'll just say 180.
- [58:53]
Co-host/Interviewer
Okay, so Yossi says 180. Andrew, would you like to go higher or lower?
- [58:58]
Andrew
Cop Matt Bonner, he could shoot the rock. I know that. I'll say higher.
- [59:06]
Co-host/Interviewer
It was 169%, which means the OC gets both points.
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Andrew
It's a very nice provision there.
- [59:17]
Co-host/Interviewer
He didn't get it. He, he. It was 157 at the end of the season, so unfortunately he did not get it.
- [59:23]
Andrew
Wow.
- [59:23]
Co-host/Interviewer
And Andrew, you are down 5 to 0. Technically 5. Negative 2.
- [59:29]
Andrew
Technically 7. Nothing 3.
- [59:33]
Co-host/Interviewer
When Luke Ridnauer signed a contract with Seattle in 2006, there was a clause that paid him an extra 1.5 million if he won. What award? Now I'm going to name four NBA awards. You can tell me which one he was going to get an extra 1.5 million if you want it. MVP, Defensive Player of the Year, Most Improved Player, Sixth man of the Year.
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Andrew
Wow. What year was that?
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Co-host/Interviewer
That was 2006. All he had to do was win one of those awards and he would get an extra 1.5 million. Which award was it?
- [60:14]
Andrew
MIP. Did you say MIP? Is that a part of your list?
- [60:17]
Co-host/Interviewer
I did say mip, Andrew, and that's wrong. Yosi, you have a chance to steal.
- [60:23]
Yosi Gosselin
I'm going to just guess the most wild one because I know like Tyler Hero has no Jordan Poole has incentives for winning like mvp, Defensive Player of the Year. I'm going to guess defensive player of.
- [60:37]
Co-host/Interviewer
The year, it was defensive player of the year, Luke Ridnauer. Oh, no, Andrew, you've never been beaten where the guest got every single point possible. But we are currently on track for that.
- [60:53]
Andrew
This is exciting.
- [60:54]
Co-host/Interviewer
Very exciting. Okay, Yossi, board is yours.
- [60:58]
Yosi Gosselin
7.
- [60:59]
Co-host/Interviewer
Question number 7. After the 2011 lockout, who was the first player waived using the new amnesty clause?
- [61:13]
Yosi Gosselin
Well, that might be tricky because, like, oh, man, I know there's like a lot of people saying, oh, this guy's gonna get amnesty. This guy's gonna get an amnesty. I guess maybe some got reported earlier but happened later. So that's going to be tricky. I know. I want to say it was either Gilbert Arenas, Chauncey Billups, or I think I, I, those are the. I remember those two were like talked about pretty early. I'll, I'll just say Gilbert Arenas, Yossi.
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Co-host/Interviewer
You are still pitching a perfect game. What is correct?
- [61:59]
Yosi Gosselin
Eight.
- [61:59]
Co-host/Interviewer
No, zero.
- [62:03]
Yosi Gosselin
Wow.
- [62:05]
Andrew
Technically 10. Four, please.
- [62:08]
Co-host/Interviewer
Question number four. Now, Andrew, I have, I have amazing news for you. This question has four possible points.
- [62:16]
Andrew
Okay.
- [62:16]
Co-host/Interviewer
So you could make a dent.
- [62:19]
Andrew
All right.
- [62:19]
Co-host/Interviewer
You could get to half.
- [62:21]
Andrew
I gotta get my head back in the game. Okay. All right, let's go.
- [62:23]
Co-host/Interviewer
Here we go. Since the 84, 85 season, off to a bad start.
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Andrew
Okay, go ahead.
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Co-host/Interviewer
Only four players have been the highest paid player five different times in their career. How many can you name? So these are players that since that time, at least five different seasons, they were the highest paid player in the league. And there's four of them.
- [62:47]
Andrew
Michael Jordan.
- [62:48]
Co-host/Interviewer
No, sorry. Andrew. Andrew, you got to go look at his basketball reference page. It's fascinating.
- [62:56]
Andrew
Is it?
- [62:56]
Co-host/Interviewer
He made over 30 million in two seasons. Every other season he didn't make more than 5 million.
- [63:03]
Andrew
Wow. Well, all right.
- [63:07]
Co-host/Interviewer
I understand why you guessed it and that's why I asked the question. Okay, Yossi, you have any guesses?
- [63:13]
Yosi Gosselin
I could probably guess a few. No way. I'll get this. I want to say one is Steph Curry.
- [63:17]
Co-host/Interviewer
Steph Curry is correct for one.
- [63:22]
Yosi Gosselin
I want to say another is Kevin Garnett.
- [63:28]
Co-host/Interviewer
Kevin Garnett is correct.
- [63:30]
Yosi Gosselin
Yeah, because I know he got like obscene amounts of money early on.
- [63:34]
Andrew
Guy. This is like, okay, this is a great advertisement for the Third Apron podcast because this dude just knows going, I.
- [63:45]
Yosi Gosselin
Don'T think I'll get these last two. Because before who's like be. Before Curry got paid what he's making, I don't even remember who was the highest paid player then. Okay, Was Kobe one?
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Co-host/Interviewer
Kobe was one. Can you get the fourth and final name. I'm already counting it as a perfect game because you got the two normal points, but you could get four. All four points.
- [64:22]
Yosi Gosselin
I want to say Shaq, but, like, I think he kind of conflicted with those Garnett years. I'll just say Shaq.
- [64:33]
Co-host/Interviewer
All right, that. That's the only one you missed. Got to go back to the 80s. It was Patrick Ewing. Patrick.
- [64:38]
Yosi Gosselin
I would never have guessed that.
- [64:40]
Co-host/Interviewer
Okay, two questions left. Yosi, you have a commanding 11 to 0 lead. You can have question 5 or question 6.
- [64:49]
Andrew
Technically 13.
- [64:50]
Yosi Gosselin
5.
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Co-host/Interviewer
Okay, for this question, we are going to name the 10 franchises that have paid the most in luxury tax since the 2012 season. So how this works, Yossi will give me name, then Andrew will give me name, will go back and forth until one of you stumbles. Okay, so, Yosi, 10.
- [65:10]
Yosi Gosselin
10 teams, the highest since 2012.
- [65:13]
Co-host/Interviewer
Yes. In luxury tax payments.
- [65:15]
Yosi Gosselin
All right.
- [65:20]
Andrew
Warriors.
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Yosi Gosselin
Oh, you. Okay. He won first.
- [65:23]
Co-host/Interviewer
Well, I guess we're starting with Andrew. Warriors is correct.
- [65:28]
Yosi Gosselin
Clippers.
- [65:28]
Andrew
Yes.
- [65:29]
Co-host/Interviewer
Clippers. Number two, Andrew.
- [65:38]
Andrew
Since 2012. I really don't. I really don't want to mess this up.
- [65:44]
Co-host/Interviewer
You're very confident with Warriors. You answered turn.
- [65:50]
Andrew
It felt really good. Phoenix.
- [65:53]
Co-host/Interviewer
The Phoenix Suns. They were fifth on the list. Back to Yossi.
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Yosi Gosselin
Brooklyn.
- [65:59]
Co-host/Interviewer
Brooklyn. Number three on the list.
- [66:01]
Andrew
Wow.
- [66:02]
Co-host/Interviewer
Andrew.
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Andrew
Okay, I think the Thunder on this list. The Thunder.
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Co-host/Interviewer
Andrew, Number nine on the list. The Thunder. Shout out to mellow.
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Andrew
Shout out to mellow.
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Co-host/Interviewer
Back to Yosa.
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Yosi Gosselin
Bucks.
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Andrew
Stay mellow.
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Co-host/Interviewer
What'd you say?
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Yosi Gosselin
Milwaukee.
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Co-host/Interviewer
Milwaukee Bucks. Yes. They are number six on the list. Back to Andrew.
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Andrew
Okay, it's 2012.
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Yosi Gosselin
The.
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Andrew
Do we. Do we say Clippers already? Did we say that? Yeah. Okay, great. That's good. That's. I. I just was checking to make sure you were counting Philly.
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Co-host/Interviewer
Andrew. That is incorrect.
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Yosi Gosselin
Wow. I was about to say them.
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Co-host/Interviewer
Really? What other names.
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Yosi Gosselin
Sorry?
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Co-host/Interviewer
What other names were. Were you thinking about?
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Yosi Gosselin
I. You. I was between them and Boston. Next.
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Co-host/Interviewer
Yeah, Boston's on the list. They are seven. The number 14.
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Andrew
Okay.
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Co-host/Interviewer
Los Angeles Lakers. Of course.
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Andrew
Lakers. Okay.
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Co-host/Interviewer
The Cavs come in at number eight.
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Yosi Gosselin
Oh, that's right.
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Co-host/Interviewer
And the number ten team. Minnesota Timberwolves.
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Andrew
Oh, interesting.
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Co-host/Interviewer
So Yossi did get the points. Andrew, here's the good news. You get dibs on the final question. Andrew.
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Yosi Gosselin
Yippee.
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Co-host/Interviewer
The Oklahoma City Thunder. Oh, this is a good start for you. Won the championship. Oh, congrats, Andrew. This season, while not paying the luxury tax. Since the luxury tax was implemented in the 0304 season, there have been five other champions to win without going into the tax. Name two of them.
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Andrew
Now.
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Co-host/Interviewer
You have to give me their championship year as well. Otherwise.
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Andrew
Okay.
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Co-host/Interviewer
Here we go. Can we get a point? Here we go.
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Andrew
Look at Yossi. He's, like, counting. He's counting the ones that he knows this is. So since 03.
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Co-host/Interviewer
Yeah. 03.04 season.
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Andrew
So I have to name the year that a team did it.
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Co-host/Interviewer
Yeah, yeah, of course.
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Andrew
Oh, gosh.
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Yosi Gosselin
Al.
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Andrew
San Antonio. What is the. In got 14, folks.
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Co-host/Interviewer
He prevented the shutout. He's on the board. Andrew got a point.
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Andrew
All right.
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Co-host/Interviewer
Can you get a second point, Andrew?
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Andrew
Can I get a second point to.
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Co-host/Interviewer
Cut the lead to nine?
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Andrew
Okay. Gosh. Oh, three. So there's just not that even that many teams.
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Co-host/Interviewer
Yeah. And the fact that there's already six, including the Thunder.
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Andrew
Yeah, that's a lot. It's a lot more than I would have thought. Did the Raptors pay it in 19?
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Co-host/Interviewer
They did, Andrew. I'm sorry about that, but you did get a point, Yossi.
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Yosi Gosselin
I know. Lakers in 2020.
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Co-host/Interviewer
Yeah, Lakers in 2020. The bubble Lakers.
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Yosi Gosselin
Yeah, because that was like, they had cap space. So it's like, hard to have cap space and go to the tax. And then, I believe warriors in 15 and 17.
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Co-host/Interviewer
So warriors in 15. Yes. And then warriors in 18.
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Andrew
Oh, really?
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Co-host/Interviewer
Which, honestly, looking at that doesn't seem right. How is that possible?
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Yosi Gosselin
Might be 17, but it's all right.
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Co-host/Interviewer
And then the other one. Yeah, you still got the points. The other one was the 06 heat. Oh, six. So final score. I'm gonna put this one up on the screen. 14 to 1. Yoshi, you may have just set the slam and jam. Andrew versus the beat record for most.
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Andrew
It's been a long time since I've been stomped like that. You know, it's good. It's a good humbling moment and a great. Again, a great advertisement to go. Check out the Third Apron podcast. It's a great. It's a great resource if you think about, like, CBA stuff. You're like, I. I don't quite know this. It's a great podcast and it's a great substack as a resource to NBA fans that just want to know more. And so I. I really enjoy listening to the podcast and it. It's. It's very accessible, so please go check that out. Anything else that you'd like to promote before we get out of here?
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Yosi Gosselin
Yosi, thanks for the shout out, Andrew. Yeah. Third April newsletter on substack. More like deeper salary cap analysis there. You can follow me on Twitter and blue sky on my name. See all my salary cap information on cap sheets dot com. I believe that's everything.
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Andrew
Wonderful. Thank you Yosi and thank you guys for listening. We are continuing our season preview pods. We're actually going to drop those down to just one team per episode. We're going to go five days a week really until the season starts. So look forward to to all of those. We're gonna get a beat writer for every single team to come on to discuss the team that they cover. We'll have continued coverage of this Clipper saga via podcast. So if you want more of that, that's coming at you next week as well. I'm trying to think of anything else. If you if you're not listening to Pablo Tory finds out, which I'm sure that most of you are, you should go listen to it. It's a great podcast. It's now a part of the Athletic Podcast Network. And then be sure, as I mentioned earlier, to go listen to the podcast with Dave and Pablo and Amic on his reporting as well. So please go do that. Hope you guys have a great weekend and we'll talk to you guys again in two weeks.
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