B (1:41)

I'm. Fucking heart rate. Well, it's. I've never seen, like, magic or, you know, a Mentalist up close. So it's like.

D (1:51)

Yeah.

B (1:52)

I don't know what to expect.

D (1:53)

Dude, your brain is about to hurt tonight. Your brain will hurt.

C (1:56)

And you also do a lot of things that I've seen online that I'm like, that's amazing. But I can't believe it until it happens to me.

D (2:04)

Yeah, that's what everybody says. I Like the comments. I like the comments who think they've Jedi mind tricked me where they go, it won't work if you don't try it on me. I'm like, dude, you're one of like a million. Like, I can't try it on every single person in the comments.

C (2:15)

Yeah, yeah.

D (2:15)

One dude's like, what's my pin? I'm like, 69. 69.

B (2:17)

He's like, oh, crap.

D (2:19)

And I'm like, how did you know that? I'm like, I looked at your photos, you pervert. Like, that was not even mentalism. That was just me knowing you based on what you've chosen to share with the world.

C (2:28)

You famously guessed Joe Rogan's pin code on his show.

D (2:31)

I know.

C (2:31)

And he looked, like, not pissed off. Yeah, he like, mad about that afterwards.

D (2:36)

You know, it's a three hour podcast and that's like, coming in real hot because I do that about 15 minutes in. So then you're like, oh, God, we're going to have to still be in the room for another two hours and 45 minutes. I mean, I can talk aliens for a while, but. Oh, shit. Yeah, I think we broke through it at a certain point, but I think he was weirded out because the best part is that you don't realize it, but in the moment, I'm like, oh, this didn't go so well. But it went so well because him getting mad is so real. People being blown away, you expect to be blown away, but when someone's pissed, you're like, there's no way that Rogan, hear me out. Was in on it. Because, like, what? I don't have enough money. I don't have 200 mil Spotify money to be like, joe, just play along here, bro. Second, he had no idea it was coming. It's not like if you set something up with him and said, joe, you know, think of your ping. There's no. There's no setup, dude. I came in the room and I thought we'd kind of shoot the breeze. Little Joe came in, like, yoked, dude. I'm like, I feel like I'm nothing. He's just. He's got muscles on. Muscles.

B (3:31)

Yeah.

D (3:31)

And he's like, let's go in and do the pot. I'm like, oh, nice to meet you. And we just went right, like, shake

B (3:35)

your hand and crush it.

D (3:36)

Pretty much crushed it.

B (3:37)

Yeah, I see. I tend to be more of. I don't know if skeptic is the right word, but, like, how many a

D (3:44)

skeptic in the world because here's the thing. Bullshit.

B (3:45)

Here's the thing. It's either I'm an idiot.

D (3:49)

Yep. Well, okay.

B (3:53)

All right. We got to the bottom of that. Moving on. Either I'm an idiot or you're legitimately magic. And I can't fucking accept either of those answers.

D (4:01)

I'm an alien. And we're finally disclosing that they are real.

B (4:04)

No, that's a good point.

D (4:06)

Wouldn't that be a great setup?

B (4:07)

That would.

D (4:08)

If I was an alien and they just brought me in and they said, you know what? Let's get this guy to pretend to be a mentalist, dude. Before we officially disclose, first of all, begonia. Yeah. Oh, begonia was crazy.

B (4:18)

Good movie, man.

D (4:21)

Spoiler alert. When did you see it?

B (4:22)

I didn't see it until it happened because it was acted perfectly.

D (4:27)

Crazy. I watched on a plane. I kept looking at the person next to me. You watch this?

B (4:30)

Do you ever like just like bump into someone on the plane and you're just like. Like, they come to take the order and be like, they want ginger ale.

D (4:36)

Pretty much. I did that with my wife on our first date and she was obviously not my wife at the time. And she was not having it. She did not like anything about it. And I did a trick. This is my. This is my.

C (4:45)

You're doing mentalism on a first date?

D (4:47)

Yeah, dude, come on. You gotta come in hot. Why do you think I learned it?

B (4:51)

Yeah, that's a good point.

D (4:53)

13 year old loser. I'm like, girls don't like me. What will they like? They like magic. I did a trick. This is my go to at a bar. Cause mentalism is hard when it's loud because you actually have to watch people and you're learning a lot of reactions and there's a lot that's involved with interaction. So if it's like loud, club and dark, it's very hard to see people. But. But I had a trick where you have your straw and your drink, if it's a mixed drink, which is more common than a beer for girls. And I would look at the straw and I go, watch this. And I would just go like this. And it would spin around the glass and they're like, they're not sure they saw it. And then I would spin it the other way and then I snap and it shoots out of the glass. So that usually was the. Was the. Oh, like the 2019. Who are you? Exactly?

C (5:29)

Yeah, dude, I can marry you if you did that to me.

B (5:32)

What the fuck?

D (5:33)

I don't know if I. Joe Just got moist.

B (5:34)

For the record, I don't know if I'd marry you or just, like, fucking run out because you.

C (5:39)

Terrified.

D (5:39)

She was somewhere in the middle, but she's like, can you please get me another straw? And I'm like, dude, what's going on right now? She's immune to my powers. Be honest.

B (5:45)

How many times did it not work before it worked?

D (5:47)

That trick is more of a magic trick. So that trick works all the time. That's more like in the realm of magic. But the guessing stuff and more of the stuff that I do now. The mentalism is. A lot of. It doesn't work as well at the beginning or it's like, really? It's like.

C (6:00)

Can you describe the difference between magic and mentalism?

D (6:03)

Mentalism is a form of magic, but it's almost as if magic evolved to a point where you no longer need props. So, you know, like, again, this is. I'm not trying to rag on anyone, but some comedians will use props, which is still funny as hell. Like, carrot tops show incredible. But as you get, like, a purity where you can show up with nothing, you show up with nothing. And you could do a show MSG for 25,000 people, there's comedians who just show up. You guys crushed it. I don't know if you had props. Did you have props?

B (6:30)

Maybe you tell us.

D (6:34)

So I feel like that's the most pure form of entertainment because you are the show. It's you, it's your ip, it's your thoughts, it's your. The way you conduct yourself, being funny. So magic. You go see Copperfield, he's got, like, trailers of stuff, right? He's got boxes, and you saw a woman in half, and this elephant disappears. So mentalism is a form of magic where it seems like you're reading someone's mind or influencing their thoughts. And when you do that, the method, how I'm doing it, you kind of start to see the two combined. When you see a magic trick, you don't really know how I'm doing it. Do you see what I'm saying? You don't know how the card trick worked. You just know that somehow you pulled out the four aces after I shuffled. But if I just tell you, think of a card. Well, how could you know the card? Because I don't have cards. Like, here's a great example, Joe. Let's mess with this. How many contacts do you think you have in your phone? Hundreds or thousands?

C (7:22)

Hundreds.

D (7:22)

Okay. I thought you were more popular, but that's totally fine.

B (7:26)

Someone else gets roasted for 1000.

D (7:29)

So. So grab your phone out.

B (7:32)

Oh, fuck. See, now here we go. This is where I'm gonna get freaked out. And forgive me if I curse it.

D (7:37)

Please, please. There's no possible way, right? I've never. I've not. I've never touched your phone, seen your phone. There's no way I can know who's in your phone. Are we in, like, just. They have to understand. I swear I walked in here.

C (7:47)

I swear on whatever anyone wants me to swear on.

D (7:50)

So right now, scroll around. Scroll around. And this is spontaneous. Are you on context? I don't even know what you're doing. Yeah, okay, so I like to say, imagine that we took a post it note off. It's a visual. And that on the post it note is written a name. Now, it's not really written. We're pretending. And I hand it to you, and you look down and you can see a name on this post. It. You go, okay, and you search. You seek this one person. Now scroll through, and this is somebody utterly random and go ahead and find me the person who. I just handed you an invisible post it note with their name on it. Can you go ahead and find that person?

B (8:25)

Yo, I'm fucking petrified.

C (8:26)

I. I'm sorry. I. Okay.

D (8:28)

The longer it takes, the better. Well, basement yards paying you by the hour.

B (8:32)

Right? Okay.

C (8:33)

Okay, I have it.

D (8:34)

I have it. There. This is absolutely a random choice. Is that correct? There is actually no post it note. There is nothing written. We're kind of making this up.

B (8:40)

Yeah.

D (8:41)

I think it's a guy. Is it a guy? Yeah. If it was a woman, she would have been. There's always more of an excitement in the eyes, a twinkle. If he had picked a girl. All right, again, the way you scrolled seemed like it was a conscious decision. And even though you will claim to your dying day that you picked this at random, I think. Is there a reason? Is it listed as a first and last name or is it different?

C (9:06)

It's a first and last name.

D (9:07)

Think of this guy's first name. Put your phone face down. I'm not near you. There's no mirrors. There's nothing I could see. Count how many letters in your own head. Not out loud. How many letters are in this person's first name? Count it in your head.

C (9:20)

Okay.

D (9:21)

Okay. See, the eyes are the window to the soul.

C (9:24)

My heart is pounding.

B (9:26)

He's got good eyes.

D (9:27)

He does have good eyes. He's got nice eyes. Yes. And so when people count an even number of letters, it's different than odd. Just think of it like drumming. There's a beat. Four letters. The guy's name is four letters long, isn't it?

C (9:38)

I'm literally gonna end this now, right?

D (9:40)

It's four letters. Yeah.

B (9:41)

Yo, yo.

C (9:42)

Now I can't feel my feet.

B (9:45)

If you.

D (9:46)

Yo.

C (9:47)

Okay.

D (9:47)

Four letter names, one of the hardest. There are more four letter names do chatgpt than almost anything. Four letter names are. Five letter names are slightly harder, but four and five letters, the hardest by far.

C (9:58)

Okay.

D (9:58)

Because if you did, like, nine letters, not that many. It's like Alexander, look at me. Think of any one of the four letters right now. Just any one of those four letters. See it in your mind and imagine it gets, like, bright, like a neon sign. It just starts glowing. Can you see that letter? See it in the word? Your eyes went to the last letter. I saw. You jumped to the end. You debated, but I don't think you did it. You're not thinking of the last letter, are you?

C (10:20)

No.

D (10:20)

Because you went to it and you were like, mm. And then you went back. D. Are you thinking of a D?

C (10:27)

Yeah.

D (10:27)

You are, right?

B (10:28)

Yeah.

D (10:29)

All right, close your eyes. Close your eyes.

B (10:31)

Yo, I have to get up and leave. I'm telling you right now. I'm not making this.

D (10:35)

I thought it was Dave. I thought it was Dave. The dude's name is Dave, but you call him Dave. Cause you guys are kind of bored. Keep your eyes closed. Cover your eyes with both hands. People always say to me, frank, shaky, they say that I write stuff after. Like, that's the consensus of how I cheated.

B (10:48)

Yeah.

D (10:48)

Are your eyes closed, Joe?

C (10:49)

Yeah.

D (10:50)

So everyone can see this. This is written before he said a word. He can't see it. You guys all saw that, right? Open your eyes. Swear to God, bro. I don't know you. You don't know me. You could have literally looked at any name in your phone right now. You could have. Anybody. What's this guy's first name?

C (11:05)

I don't want to say.

D (11:06)

You don't have to. I could turn around, but they're not gonna believe me. Tell me, what is it? What's the first name?

C (11:11)

Adam. Adam.

B (11:14)

I swear on my fucking.

D (11:16)

I swear on everything that I have

C (11:17)

in my whole life. Yo, shut the fuck up, yo.

B (11:22)

Oh, thank you. Cool. Fuck you.

D (11:25)

Dude, I. Yo.

C (11:26)

Oh, my God.

B (11:27)

Dude, do we. How the fuck.

C (11:32)

Yo, I swear to God. I know people who are watching this are gonna think I'm full, bro.

D (11:36)

I would.

C (11:36)

I. I'm not this good of an actor, yo.

B (11:38)

I'm not Kidding. I'm gonna.

D (11:39)

How many Adams do you know? How many Adams do you know?

B (11:41)

Two. Two.

D (11:42)

Okay, okay, hold on. How many? How many? Wait. How many Adams? Don't say. How many Adams do you know that he knows right now? Because you two are boys.

B (11:49)

Do you think you know one? I only know one.

D (11:51)

I bet it's the same one that he knows. I bet it's the one you know better. Think of. Think of his last name.

C (11:56)

There's no way. There's no way.

B (11:59)

All right.

D (12:00)

Joe just says, voice shook like he's about to cry. Does anyone hear it?

C (12:03)

It's not.

B (12:03)

It's not the one that I would know. I don't think so.

D (12:07)

Look this way at me. Think of the last name.

C (12:09)

Yeah.

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C (12:44)

Oh, man. It has. Yeah.

D (12:46)

So imagine that in front of you are tiles.

C (12:49)

Yeah.

D (12:49)

And you know, the tiles have points where, like, if you got a Z, that's 10 points. That's a good. That's a good letter. So see this dude's name as Scrabble tiles in front of you?

C (12:57)

Okay.

D (12:58)

All right. I don't know what the scores are of all the letters, but I want you to reach down, count how many letters are in his last name in your head. Just count your head, please.

C (13:05)

Take longer.

D (13:07)

See, people could fake it. They'll go, oh, but I can see in their mind, it's like. It's like I can see the off switch. You counted, but it was longer than. Than Adam, but not much longer. Five letters. Is it five letters? Yeah. Yeah. All right.

C (13:22)

Yo, I can't. This is really happening to me right now.

D (13:27)

Pick up one of the Scrabble tiles of his name, but try and do one that's more worth more points. Like, I don't know a letter that feels good. Like, look at the letters. Look at all five.

B (13:35)

Can I Google what the points are?

D (13:36)

No, dude, just guess. I don't care at all. Pick One up.

C (13:39)

Pick one up.

D (13:39)

Pick a letter up, Throw it to me. I just caught it. I looked at it. All straight lines. One line, one line. K. Is it a K?

B (13:48)

Yo, seriously, I'm not fucking around. What the fuck is happening?

C (13:51)

Yo,

B (13:55)

Adam.

D (13:55)

Wait, is it Kilch? Am I saying the right? Adam Kilch?

B (14:00)

I barely know this guy's last name. I don't know who that is. Who is this? Yo, what the fuck is going on, bro? Yo, I'm gonna throw up. Yo.

C (14:11)

Yo, I'll be honest with you. I was so nervous coming into this.

B (14:15)

Oh, God, I'm gonna throw up. I don't know what's going on, man.

C (14:19)

Yo, I, I, I. Yo, there's something

B (14:23)

in my throat too. Is that a thing? Yeah. Yes.

D (14:28)

I'm not even fucking around reading EMT right now for Antonio and Frank. Greg is over there throwing holy water at me. He's suddenly very religious.

C (14:35)

I, I honestly was so nervous when we were like, dude, starting to do it because I'm like, he's gonna get, he might get this.

D (14:41)

Because I'm like, this is such a random person.

B (14:43)

Yo, you

C (14:48)

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B (17:01)

What's the. What's the most, like, aggressive response someone has given to like, something like this? Like, has anyone been like, yo, I'm going to beat the fucking brakes off. Really?

D (17:08)

Yeah. Yeah. So I used to work. I used to work at restaurants back in the day.

B (17:13)

I knew, you want the chicken? You want the shrimp? No.

D (17:17)

I was doing magic tricks. This is my come up. When I was 13 years old, I started doing magic kind of card tricks and what have you, coin tricks, stuff like that. And then I was 14, my hustle, because I. My parents were. They broke up, they got divorced and I couldn't. I need to buy more magic tricks. And, you know, there's like magic shows. Yeah. Former.

B (17:33)

Former kid too, baby. Former former forward. We got. We get. We're all divorced over here.

D (17:37)

Yeah. Everybody. There's a. There's a hole in my heart I'm trying to fill with something. So I was doing magic tricks and my mom was like, these tricks are expensive. Magic tricks are like 50 bucks. I don't have that kind of money. And so I had to start working. And so she's like, do kids, birthday parties. I'm like, well, I don't, you know, how am I gonna get these gigs? You know, there's no. I don't have a website. This is. I'm older than you guys. And so I went walked down half a mile to this local Italian restaurant by me, sweet talked my way into getting a gig where I was working three hours once a week. And I would hand out business cards. And so at these places what I would do is just, I would start to do these. What was the question you asked me? Cause I lost my training.

B (18:14)

Has anyone had like an aggressive response?

D (18:16)

So when I started doing that, I advanced and in my 20s I kept doing this, these restaurants. And at one I used to work at some that were mafia owned that were known in New York City. So I grew up in Michigan, but this was in New York. And they would have these parties where these dudes would come out of jail after being in for like 20, 30 years. And I had one dude who came out, he's like, I would do a trick where I turn $1 bills into hundreds and he wanted to take the hundred dollars at the end. And I was like, no dude, it's just a magic trick. And so right then when he was about to take them, I snapped and they turned back to ones. And he was about to beat me up. He's like, where'd the hundreds go? And he's like, those were my hundreds. I'm like, no, they were ones, dude. He's like, no, they turned to hundreds, they became mine. Then I'm like, no, they're ones. And he took them on my hands and he's like, they're ones. And he wanted to like pat me down. I'm like, you aren't gonna find them. And so I had to like, I had to find a very good way to sweet talking to oh, you know, let me show how I do it. And then I turned one into 20 and I was like, 20 bucks I'll give this guy just not to get beat up.

B (19:05)

Yeah, I cuz I, I'm not kidding. Like my, my first reaction is just be like what the fuck? Because it is so beyond my level of comprehension, which might not be that high, but like that is. I can't even focus right now. I'm not even kidding. I almost threw up.

C (19:21)

I can't focus right now.

D (19:22)

I really would like you to throw up at the next trick. That would be very strong.

B (19:27)

Yo, I'm not kidding. Why is your reaction.

D (19:29)

We need that in the thumbnail.

B (19:31)

I'm not.

D (19:32)

Can I have me going like this and Frank throwing up. That would be amazing.

B (19:36)

Does this now I'm gonna ask. Maybe this is like too inside baseball of me to ask, but, like, does this help? Because I'm a big comic fan and

D (19:44)

like, me doing this.

B (19:45)

Yeah. So, like. So like, when I see. When I see, like, profess.

D (19:49)

So I don't go like this.

B (19:50)

I'm like, some shit's about to go down. So, like, if you walk into a room and you just go, I'm clutching people's like, get down.

D (19:55)

You don't see it. It's a. Oh, it's a button. Yeah, it's Kegels.

C (19:59)

He's got a trick like that too. We've all seen it.

B (20:03)

No, stop that. All of you.

D (20:05)

Whoa.

C (20:05)

I haven't seen it.

D (20:06)

I have a funny story like that. So I had a. I snore a lot and I can't breathe out of one side of my nose. Little tmi. But I had a septoplasty. Do you know when they, like, try to open up, if you have a deviated septum? So this is. Dude, this is a throwback. This is like 16, 17 years ago they did that. And you're supposed to not be walking around a bunch because your nose starts. It's gonna reopen and bleed. They have like, sutured. And I had a gig. I had a gig like two days after this happened. And I was like, I can't turn down the money. I'm too greedy. So I'm like, fuck it, I'm gonna go do this gig. Even though you're not supposed to bed rest. So I go do this gig. And I used to do. I used to do a ton of bar and bat mitzvahs. Just a ton back in the day. And I would do a trick where I would bend a spoon. I can still do it. It's great. But I would take. It's one of my kids favorites. I look at a spoon and it just starts to bend. Like Magneto style.

C (20:48)

Hell, yeah.

D (20:48)

And so I'm at this bar mitzvah and I'm making this spoon bed. And this is two days after. And I'm doing this and I'm looking at it, and all of a sudden I have cotton shoved in my nose because of I'm supposed to. And all of a sudden I'm focusing so hard that blood comes down both of my nostrils. And you hear three kids scream. I bet you that is a core memory for these children.

B (21:08)

Yeah, 100%.

D (21:09)

So right now, when you said this, they're getting like a traumatic PTSD remembering of the magician at their bar mitzvah who was focused so hard that blood started shooting out of his nose while the. You know, if somebody sees this, can they please write to me? DM me? If you were one of those kids

C (21:22)

at that party, it's like some Stranger Things dude.

D (21:24)

He was on, like, 36th. I swear to God, it was so funny. And they screamed and I was like, oh, no, I'm bleeding sick.

B (21:31)

You should just play into it.

D (21:32)

Like, I should have fake blood coming out. I know, is what I'm hearing.

B (21:35)

I think, like, if you could. If. If whatever's going to help elevate it. Not that it needs any elevation, because. A cape. A cape? Yeah.

E (21:41)

Where?

B (21:42)

I mean, the cape, the hat, you might as well.

D (21:44)

I mean, what's old that feels a bit Dracula style?

B (21:47)

No. What's wrong with that?

D (21:49)

I don't know, like, whip the cape around or like a dude.

B (21:52)

If I had your powers, I would be.

D (21:55)

So what would you do, Frank? I want to know what you would do.

B (21:58)

I would be such a little about it. Yeah, I would, like, I'd have a cape and I'd fucking like, was that cool? You know, and just like, throw it. And guessing people's shit like, that is so unbelievable.

D (22:11)

I want to give you my powers. Like, like, like Spider man, where you get the bite and then a week later you become a mentalist. Just to watch you. Just to watch you use your powers. It would be bad. You should make a video of just Frank Alvarez, AKA the Mentalist, and just go around Brooklyn trying to read people's minds.

B (22:29)

Yeah, I don't know if that would be. I don't think I'd be very good at that because.

D (22:33)

Just try.

B (22:34)

I'm. I. I'm freaked out at you doing it. If I figure out I have this skill, I will believe that I'm a form of God. Yeah, he will. It will immediately go to my head.

D (22:42)

Yeah.

B (22:43)

And I will. I will freak out and then I'll throw up. He'll use his powers for villainy.

D (22:47)

Probably. I use my powers for good. You would just be rampant theft.

B (22:51)

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

D (22:52)

I had a show on NBC. Like, what was this, like eight years ago now? A little throwback. And one of the bits we did, it was in January. So fricking cold. Everybody shout out to. It's called Oz Knows. So that's how you know my name, because it rhymes. And you're like, it looks like Osnose, but it's Osnose. So it came out on NBC. Pilot didn't get picked up. I don't know how it didn't get picked up.

B (23:09)

Fuck you, NBC. Seriously.

D (23:10)

But we won an Emmy. I have an Emmy award because of that. So it came out and what we did, we sat next to a chase on Christopher street in like seventh. I don't know if you know that corner, the Village cigars corner. And I would wait for people to come up and we wouldn't even sign releases first so they would know what was going on. And I would say to them, excuse me, we're shooting a thing for a news channel about CyberSecurity. In your ATM pin code, have you ever shared your ATM pin code? This is outside at an ATM that people are coming up to. It's outside, they're kind of freezing and they're like, no. I'm like, does your husband know? Your spouse, your boyfriend, girlfriend? They're like, nobody knows. I go, it's very important. You don't do easy numbers. I go, swipe your card. Look at me. And I did their code for them, dude, just the clips, the reactions were so some people didn't understand what just happened. They were just very confused. Like, wait, how did you. You know what? And then other people looked at me and just, just like, just walked away. One dude got scared and screamed and like left and then wouldn't sign a release, but then did. Twenty minutes later he came back. He's. Are you the devil, dude? It was so awesome. Watch that special. But it was so funny.

C (24:07)

If. Are you Frank?

D (24:09)

Just so we understand the takeaway, Frank would have done that and then stolen all the money.

B (24:13)

Well, I mean, 16 year old Frank, a thousand percent current Frank. I have more of a conscience.

D (24:18)

You got that YouTube money, baby. Is it.

C (24:22)

Is it like, are people just more predictable than we think we are?

D (24:28)

People are more predictable. People are also able to be like, I'm able to influence your behavior so that certain people, they'll get to a moment and you know what will happen is they say I changed my mind at the last second. How could, like I even changed my mind. I go, I knew you changed your mind. I got you to change your mind based on the speed at which I was talking and when I slowed down and when I did certain things and when I see how. When I look there, all of you both look there. That's called misdirection. When I just grabbed my water, both of your eyes re. Watch it in slow motion. Looked over here. It was subtle.

B (24:58)

I'm looking at you now. I'm not looking at the water. I'm gonna gouge my eyes out.

D (25:02)

It's subtle. But a magician learns early on that the hand is not quicker than the eye. You think it is, but it's not. Nobody's hands are quicker than your eye. But what happens is, if I can make you look away at the moment I do the secret move, you don't see it. Yeah, right. When an elephant is made to disappear, the elephant didn't really disappear. Spoiler alert. There's no real Santa Claus.

C (25:23)

I'm sorry.

D (25:24)

But what happens is they're making you look at the wrong place at the right time. That's what we do. So I'm doing that, but less with your eyes and more with your brain. So I know the way people think. I've been studying it for 30 years.

B (25:37)

I was going to say, have you taken like advanced psychological, like psychology classes or sociology classes or things like that to understand the human?

D (25:45)

Yes, but they're mentalism classes. So there are mentalism core concepts. Because psychology doesn't really help me. Psychology helps me with group dynamics where people in a group act very differently than when they're alone. There's certain tricks that I do that you'd be like, oh man, could you do that anytime? No, I couldn't do it if we were alone. And you're like, what?

C (26:00)

Why?

D (26:00)

And I go, because you wouldn't behave the same way. You don't realize it, but you will acquiesce to a group in a different way. You will feel peer pressure. You can get people to hurry their decisions. They will feel pressure from people around you. Like the people that are hardest.

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D (27:13)

Me to do this on are people that are very drunk sometimes people that I know sounds really strange, but on the autistic spectrum or that very levels of like Asperger's. Because they don't have social norms. So their behavior and their reactions are different. They're out of sync. It's kind of like during COVID I would do tricks on zoom. And when we have zoom, that's out of alignment. If you're on a riverside, like one of those interviews on a riverside. Do you know what I'm talking about? It's like zoom, but it's a slow zoom that captures it. I don't. Greg knows it, the producer, but it's like if you're doing. I don't know how to explain it, but it's like. It's a zoom interview, but it's not zoom real time because there's a little lag. It's almost impossible for me to do my job because I'm watching you. It's like playing a video game with lag.

B (27:54)

Got it.

D (27:54)

You're gonna suck. I just got headshot. And while I didn't see it. So it's the exact same thing. If you're out of focus or out of order, I can't respond. Cause I'm responding milliseconds. I'm watching you every split second to deduce what you're doing or what you're gonna do. And if I'm out of sync by a second, it just. It tanks. I've messed up on those before.

C (28:13)

Like doing that 24 7.

D (28:15)

No.

C (28:15)

So it's something you could turn on and off fully.

D (28:18)

You have to turn it on. Okay.

B (28:19)

You ever meet another mentalist and like, kind of have to battle?

D (28:21)

So I was just like two stray

B (28:23)

cats at the end of the alleyway. And then they're just like, would you

D (28:28)

know, like you saw each other? You just sit at a table and either of us talk and occasionally laugh and occasionally make eye expressions the same. I just look at you and I just laugh and then they look at me. You get to serious again. You're like, good one. Like what you didn't say.

B (28:39)

I guess that's kind of a Good question, though. Would this be something that you could, like, tag team if there was another mentalist that you felt comfortable working with? Could you guys do like gigs and stuff together or.

D (28:49)

There's a couple that have done it. There's a few people, like Penn and Teller famously do it, but it's not really a mentalist one. But there's, there's, there's, there's called Codex. There's couple acts. There's one called Mind to Mind, little shout out for them. They do it amazing. Where it's a guy and a girl actually happen to be married, but you could be in a different room and she could be blindfolded and anything you hold her, look at, he says, what am I holding right now? She's like a driver's license. What's the number? She's like, 8, 5, 7. How are you doing this? So it's an act where one person can send and transmit thoughts to the other. I have the opposite. Literally, I can't send my wife anything. She's like, I don't know what you're thinking any of the time. She's like, you don't know what I'm thinking? And I'm mad at you right now because if you're this good of a mentalist, why the hell didn't you take out the trash?

B (29:29)

My brothers are twins. And I, I, I know the journal. Yeah, Fraternal twins. And this might be because I'm not very, you know, like woo woo or spiritual or anything, but, like, I, I do believe that there is some form of, like, twin telepathy.

D (29:43)

Because I think that's true.

B (29:44)

They, I'm not kidding. There was a story when we were younger where one of my brothers, like, in the middle of the night, had to go to the hospital and the other one, like, didn't know what was going on. Like, there was no way that they could have known. My parents saw the story and the one that was home was just inconsolable for no reason. Didn't know the other one was like, just. And then as soon as they walked back in the door, they were completely okay.

D (30:05)

Right.

B (30:06)

And like, that's where I believe, like, twin telepathy might be a real thing. But it still freaks me out.

D (30:12)

I, So I can tell you it's a weird story. So I had a twin who was, who died at birth. So it was like a stillborn.

C (30:18)

Sorry to hear that.

D (30:19)

Thank you. I didn't know him, but my mom, I appreciate my mom can only have twins. Some strange condition.

C (30:24)

I don't know how that.

D (30:25)

Like, I'm not a medical person, but that's supposedly it. Fraternal twins. So I have twin sisters, but nobody told me that I was a twin until I was 12 years old. She never told me. It's, like, kind of a big detail to leave out. Oh, you had a twin. So I always talked about, like, imaginary friend having a twin, and it was to the point of creepiness. Where could I have somehow gleaned this from a hearing story? But I never knew. It was never told to me because they didn't really know how to address it, and they thought it was, like, too traumatic. And so I'd always talk about, I have a twin. I have a twin. Like, I would tell people this, but no one was told that I had a twin. And so when she told me, it, like, all made sense. It was like a puzzle piece that just suddenly clicked. And so I can't explain that the way you talk about twin telepathy. But, like, have you absorbed his mental powers? I don't know.

B (31:06)

I was. I was a former twin. So you and I are pretty much two in the same.

D (31:10)

Yeah.

C (31:10)

Yeah.

B (31:11)

So, like, yeah, I was. There's not much of a difference between us outside of just some.

D (31:15)

How are you a former twin?

B (31:18)

The twin was gone at birth. No, it was. It was pre. Like, it was, like, in utero.

D (31:23)

In utero. So mine was like. Until a week before. The ultrasound was still. It might have been medical malpractice, but we were, like, in the womb until it was a very shocking death at, like, they didn't expect. It was yours earlier, but. So it was like, two. I even had a new name, which. My name means brave and strong in Hebrew because I was the one that survived. My dad was like, it's a battle of the wheels. I'm like, that's a creepy way to say it, but you took them out. And so my name was changed to Brave and Strong because I survived when the other one didn't.

C (31:50)

Got it.

D (31:51)

Yeah.

C (31:51)

Wow.

D (31:51)

I don't know the details.

B (31:52)

Didn't know we were going down this rabbit hole.

D (31:54)

No. Got real somber. Adam Kilch just came in. He's like, how do you know me, bro? Bro.

C (32:00)

I am honest. I'm not over that.

B (32:02)

I don't know if I want.

D (32:02)

You know, speaking of childhood. Childhood. When can you pinpoint if I sent you a time machine back? Do you remember meeting Joe for the first time?

B (32:10)

I can pinpoint it to, like, a week.

D (32:12)

So you kind of know a lot when you got. Good Lord.

C (32:15)

Yeah.

B (32:15)

Yeah.

D (32:16)

Yeah, Adorable Joe's like, I barely remember you.

B (32:17)

Yeah, you see? You see? You see? You see? Do you see?

D (32:21)

Honestly, how do you deal? Wait, so. So if you could go back in time. You ready? Now, when I say to somebody, pick a name that's left brain. It's like mathematical. Seeing letters, seeing numbers is left brain. I'm going to make you do this right brain. Close your eyes and you're going to go right brain. Here's what I mean by that. You're not going to see letters or numbers. I want you to start to see a face of someone where you go back in time to childhood. That if I said guess right now, Joe, I'm giving you three guesses to guess a kid from back in the day that Frank is thinking of. Boom. Number one, got it wrong. Number two, got it wrong. Number three. You don't even know how many guesses it would take. But he would never guess this kid within his first three guesses, maybe even more. Can you at this very moment, try to picture this kid's face? Can you see them in your mind?

C (33:09)

Yeah.

D (33:10)

Question for you. Do you know what they look like? Open your eyes. Do you know what they look like now? Have you hung out recently?

B (33:14)

No.

D (33:14)

So you don't even know how they look like now? You're kind of just going back to the memory bank.

B (33:17)

I mean, I have a rough idea.

D (33:19)

It's like you're seeing whatever eight year old kid with a beard like you. Okay? Now just. He's gotten facial hair. All right. Is there any way. Because I like the haters. The haters always say, he did research before he got here. He must have been googling them. Is there any way that I could have researched this in advance and found out who you would have thought of? Real time, spontaneous.

B (33:43)

I can't imagine there is a way you could.

D (33:45)

But even if we looked up everybody, how could we know who this would be? Because you didn't know who you were gonna pick before I got here.

B (33:49)

Correct. I have no clue how you.

D (33:52)

It's not like a researchable thing because you can't research where your mind spontaneously goes.

B (33:56)

Yeah, and I famously have a pretty crazy mind.

D (33:59)

Crazy mind, right? I mean, famous episode was talking about drinking pee like nobody's coming out. Riz. Gods. All right, here's what I want you to do. I want you right now to think of this kid's first name.

C (34:13)

Okay?

D (34:14)

Now you before counted the letters and you see, I narrowed it down because it's how many? Four letters. Then I got the name. Think of this kid's first name.

B (34:22)

Yeah.

D (34:23)

Think of his last name.

B (34:24)

Okay.

D (34:25)

Most people, if I ask which one is more interesting, they'll go last name. Because it's just normal. I think you think the first name is more interesting. Am I right or not? Really. You tell me which one's more interesting.

B (34:38)

Interesting in what regard?

D (34:39)

You decide you're in the eye of the beholder. Which one's more interesting?

B (34:42)

I would say last name.

D (34:43)

Last name's more interesting. All right. Now, I wonder how common the first name is. Think of the first name quick. The same way he did it. Pick a letter in the name.

C (34:52)

Okay.

D (34:53)

Think of the first letter. Okay. Change. Don't do the first letter.

B (34:55)

Do a different letter of the name.

D (34:58)

Yeah. First name. Stay with it.

B (34:59)

Okay.

D (34:59)

Got one.

B (35:00)

Yeah.

D (35:01)

Change your mind again. Different letter in the first name. Change it one more time.

C (35:06)

Okay.

D (35:07)

He's having trouble. See that? He started. I want. I wanted to see. I wanted to see Joe because you're

B (35:12)

fucking firing off at me, Frank.

D (35:14)

Not know what to do. So, like, again, if the name was really long, you'd be like, all right, I got this. He started struggling. The name Right again is another short name. I'm trying to feel it out, suss it out. It feels like it's five or six letters. I'm trying to feel this out. Five or six letters.

B (35:27)

Okay?

D (35:30)

He walks through that door right now, you look him in the eyes, you go, dude, where have you been? Come here. Shake my hand, okay? And right at that moment, you look at Shane. Is it Shane Gorman? Shane Gorman, isn't it?

B (35:51)

Yo, I'm not fucking. Yo, get the fuck out of here, dude. Dude, what the mother fuck is going on in here? Frank? Yo, I, I. Yo,

D (36:12)

I was thinking of him.

B (36:14)

I was thinking of him. Yo, shut the fuck up, dude, fuck you. How the fuck. Yo, how did, like. Yo, how. When was the last time we saw Shane? I fucking know.

D (36:30)

Legitimately, like, probably second grade. Just spit all over your face.

B (36:34)

Yo, I don't know. You gotta move over. You're not centered. You guys. You guys flew off camera. I don't care. Move over this way towards me.

C (36:44)

Yo, that's.

D (36:44)

You know when something pops in your head. You ever wake up from a dream and you wake up from a dream and you go, dude. And you forget it in, like, a minute. But right at that moment, you have a dream and the dream is so weird, and you're like, why did I have this dream? I gotta tell somebody about this dream right now. Do you ever have that moment you're like, this is the craziest dream ever had. I want you to imagine right now. You ready? I'm just like, throw something out, crazy that you have. You see Shane Gorman. Now that he's in your head, you might have a dream.

B (37:07)

How the fuck did you do that?

D (37:09)

Imagine you have a dream, okay? And Shane Gorman, you see this kid out of nowhere. You haven't seen him since second grade, okay? And in this dream, I don't know what's going on, but something crazy. You know how you have crazy ideas for episodes? In this dream, you have the craziest idea for an episode. One that's juggling around the back of your head. And you go. You wake up and you say to Joe, you go, joe, I had this dream. Remember we saw that Mentalist? I saw. I had this dream because I thought of Shane Gorman in this dream. We were. And it's nothing weird, but like something that's an episode.

B (37:38)

Please, please, please, please, please.

D (37:39)

Close your eyes. Imagine this is something that doesn't really exist, that's just in your brain. Close your eyes. Close your eyes, Joe. You look. You look. Come over. Can you see this? Don't see. I don't know about this. This is crazy. And you go. This would make for a great episode. Open your eyes. Spontaneous off the cuff, pops. You go. I didn't even know I would think about this. It would make an insane episode. What happened in that dream? What were you doing? Say it.

B (38:10)

We were, like, hanging out in a bath.

D (38:12)

What was it? Just. What's in the bath?

B (38:14)

Like, clay or mud or something like that. What? Yo, get the fuck out of here. Yo. Get the fuck out of here. Yo. Yo.

C (38:20)

No, no, no, no, no.

B (38:22)

Call the fucking voice. Like. I'm not. Yo, I'm fucking serious. I'm serious. Yo.

C (38:29)

I'm literally. I can't. I. I'm. I. Yeah, I'm not.

B (38:32)

I'm not having fun.

C (38:33)

Timeout.

B (38:35)

What the fuck is that? That's the idea you came up with? I was doing a podcast. I don't know. I'm just trying to think of, like, something out there that'd be crazy. And if we were in just, like, mud baths, not together. You have your bath.

C (38:46)

Okay.

B (38:46)

We have our bath.

D (38:47)

It's a little weird, but yeah.

C (38:48)

Yo, how the fuck.

D (38:51)

I bet you're going to get a DM from Shane Gorman being like, bro, I'll do a mud bath with you now.

B (38:56)

I. I don't even.

C (38:57)

I don't.

B (38:58)

Haven't even seen a picture of him in 20. I can't tell you. Like, there is. I don't. I don't. There's literally no explanation for that.

C (39:07)

There's no explanation. That's absurd.

B (39:10)

Because even if you have like. Even if you have these like, tells

C (39:14)

or whatever, you're given first and last name.

B (39:18)

How the fuck. Yo, I don't know how you did that. I shook your hand and I didn't feel anything.

D (39:24)

That's when I stole your soul.

B (39:26)

Oh, my God.

D (39:28)

Dude, give it.

B (39:29)

What the fuck?

C (39:31)

I. I'm astounded. Wait, you were thinking Shane Gorman too?

B (39:35)

Yeah.

C (39:36)

Why?

B (39:37)

I don't know now. I don't know, bro. I'm not in control anymore. I don't know, bro. This is insane. All right. I was like.

D (39:45)

Cuz you're like, think of someone or whatever.

B (39:47)

And I was just trying to think

C (39:48)

of an example, like, playing along in my head.

B (39:50)

And you know what? And you know what's weird? I met him the same time that I met him that I met you. Because remember how he started off with like a. You guys met. Can you pinpoint it down to. Yeah. And it was within the parameters of when we met.

C (40:06)

There's layers to this one. There's layers.

B (40:08)

You're just being quiet over there, dudes.

D (40:10)

I'm letting you unpack all this.

B (40:12)

What the f. Like, the idea that like.

C (40:15)

Like the way that I can kind of like make sense of this is like a sick amount of research. And then, you know, obviously the tells with the whatever. But that name, I don't even. I don't even know if I could find him.

B (40:30)

Like, I don't know if.

C (40:30)

I don't have him on Instagram.

B (40:32)

I don't either. I haven't. I haven't seen or spoken to about anything with this kid in.

C (40:37)

This is like.

B (40:38)

There's.

C (40:38)

There's no explanation. There's no explanation.

D (40:40)

But how would we know that you would have thought of him? And then the craziest thing is you said, I'm gonna pick somebody. He'll never guess either, and then jumped in both your heads at the same time. That's.

B (40:48)

Yeah, it doesn't. I don't. I don't literally, I don't like.

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B (43:52)

Did you bring holy water or something? Because the devil's in the room.

D (43:55)

I'm literally.

C (43:56)

I'm thinking about peeing in my jeans.

B (43:58)

If you piss your pants, I'll do it with you in solidarity.

D (44:01)

Stand up when you do it.

C (44:02)

I don't know if that would solve anything, but I am.

D (44:05)

I mean, dude, where do we go from here?

B (44:09)

Great question. Where do we go? I am. I am at both. I am scared and impressed and a little like, I want to beat you up.

C (44:20)

Can you.

D (44:21)

I can outrun you is the issue.

C (44:23)

First of all, you look like a runner.

B (44:24)

Yeah, you look like you're.

C (44:25)

I saw that you do marathons and ultras and you did bad water, right?

D (44:28)

Any bad water. Do you know what that is?

C (44:29)

I do know bad water.

D (44:30)

It's hot.

B (44:31)

What's bad water?

D (44:32)

Bad water is a great segue here from Shane Gorman, but did you guys pee your pants? I was waiting for that.

B (44:38)

There's gonna be bad water in my jeans in a little bit, I'll tell you that.

D (44:45)

That was solid. Bring that in. Bring that in. No, no, no, no.

B (44:47)

I don't know what you're gonna take next. I don't know what you're gonna take next.

D (44:49)

As soon as our knuckles touch, I get the rest of the info. So bad water, you went 135 miles. So it's kind of a little. What the. Yeah, it's like five marathons in a row. More than that. In the hottest place in the world, which is Death Valley in the middle of the summer. So when I started the race, it was 124 degrees. So when you think of Phoenix or Vegas, and you're, like, melting. That's 110. That's cold compared to this. And then you're running on a road so that the heat they take, the. You know the gun that, like, measures how your temperature. They do. You can melt like, you can melt rubber on your shoes. If you hold them against the road, the black asphalt gets over 200 degrees. You can cook an egg on the. On the hood of your car. It Will cook. So you're supposed to run on the white lines to not melt your shoes and you run 135 miles.

B (45:38)

So. So I mean you do stuff like that, you keep yourself in good physical shape? I assume. So like does that help?

D (45:45)

I think it helps mentally if you're

B (45:47)

like not feeling well. You got a cold or something, Is that going to like hurt what you do?

D (45:52)

You mean for performing? Yeah, I don't think so. I'm pretty. This immune system is strong. I have five children. The disease is just.

B (46:00)

Five kids. Holy dude.

C (46:03)

135. How long did it take you to do that?

D (46:06)

28 hours non stop. I slept for about 10 minutes.

C (46:10)

Why even

B (46:13)

just say non stop? How do you even do that?

D (46:16)

So how old are you both?

C (46:18)

34.

B (46:19)

34.

D (46:19)

Yeah. I knew that. So this might be beyond your time. This is your just like five years for it. But old school nes, Nintendo, you.

B (46:26)

Oh, I got one in my house.

D (46:27)

Old school Nintendo. The cartridge not working. So you got to take out. You have to blow it and put it back in. Yeah. Do you know that move?

B (46:34)

Yeah, of course.

D (46:34)

So I liken it to that with my brain. So I I at night and my friends will make fun of me and call me like a big pussy because I get very loopy at night if I don't sleep versus I have friends in ultras who can go like two days without sleeping. Not necessarily healthy, but they don't. I just become a total bitch at like 3 or 4am I. Oh I'm so tired. Like dude, just keep running. So I have to. If I sleep for even five minutes, it's the Nintendo. Put it back in. My brain resets. Yeah, yeah, it does this weird reset where I get up and I feel better. And then if you ever, which I doubt you'll do, but if you ever sleep for a day, a night and then into the next day, the next day your circadian rhythm kicks in and the next morning you kind of feel better even though you haven't really done anything. And then the next morning I feel much better to run. Continue running.

B (47:16)

That's insane. When did you do that?

D (47:18)

I did that race a long time ago. Pre kids, you gotta fact check this. I think 2010 or 11, but I try to do at least 100 miler a year but my career has been super busy lately. So it's like Pepsi Prebiotic Cola in original and cherry vanilla that Pepsi taste you love with no artificial sweeteners and 3 grams of prebiotic fiber. Pepsi Prebiotic Cola. Unbelievably Pepsi. I always do a marathon or a few marathons every year.

B (47:46)

I'm surrounded by runners. All I'm surrounded by is runners.

C (47:49)

First of all, I ran seven miles yesterday.

D (47:51)

That's pretty awesome. This is great. Yeah,

B (47:54)

135 is cool.

C (47:55)

You ever do it in the desert

B (47:57)

with melting shoes in Death Valley? You're like, as. You're like, coming up behind someone, like, you're going to pass them. You're just like, oh. Your high school boyfriend says, pretty much like, what the fuck, dude?

D (48:07)

Four years ago, I ran around Central park more times in a day than anyone ever had. I broke the record. I did 116 miles around Central park to raise money for children.

B (48:16)

Yeah, you know. You know that you're to the park.

C (48:17)

You're running from something.

D (48:18)

I am.

C (48:19)

Oh, deep, deep, deep, deeply.

D (48:21)

So I did that. It made the front cover of the New York Times. I have this thing framed. It's pretty awesome. And the takeaway here is when they were writing that story, shout out to my buddy Adam Skolnick, who wrote the article.

B (48:31)

Another Adam?

D (48:31)

No shit.

B (48:32)

He's in the room.

D (48:33)

He called me at mile 84. Okay, so mile 84, I've been running for. I'll fact check it, like, 12 or 13 hours. And he calls me while I'm on FaceTime with him. There's about 10 people behind me. I guess the name of his first crush while running at 13 hours in 84 miles. And he's freaking out. He's like, how did you know her name, dude? I'm like, put that in the article. He's like, I'm scared of you right now. He's like, how are you doing this? While running, I figured out the name of his first crush. His wife was in the background. She's like, who the hell's Katya? You know?

B (49:01)

It's like,

C (49:03)

what was the inspiration behind doing the Loop?

D (49:05)

So that's. I'll keep a long story short, but I was gonna run this race in North Carolina, and I'd been training, and I was all fit. And then, dude, this billionaire calls me, who's a client of mine, and he goes, he called me two weeks before this. I'm supposed to run this race. My two of my buddies are coming from Chicago to cheer me on, and I signed up and everything. And he goes, yo, I want to hire you for a gig that night. I'm like, can't. You know, my manager's like, can't. He's. He's booked. He's doing a race. He's like, how much can I have to pay him? And we're like, no, no, he's not. He's not going. Hung up the phone. This dude did not like the word no. Calls back with a new offer. Calls back. At this point, it became a power struggle.

B (49:40)

Hell, yeah.

D (49:41)

Of just. I don't like hearing no. So then I tell my manager, tell him this amount. And she's like, that's obscene. You know, you're gonna ruin the relationship. I'm like, but I want to go run the race. My buddies are coming. It's all planned. And so she ends up charging half of that amount, which is still was the biggest payday I'd ever gotten to date for going in an Uber for 10 minutes. And right within 30 seconds of her texting him the number, he said, yes. I'm like, damn it. So it's like the worst feeling to be annoyed, but also the best payday. You're like, at the same time, you don't have to struggle with that. So a couple days later, buddy of mine who actually lives in Williamsburg, Brooklyn, said, tom Knight goes, you know what, man? You're so fit, why don't you run around Central park and try to break the record? I know that was a thing. So I looked it up, and a guy named Robbie Ballinger, good friend of mine, now had the record of running the most loops on. This is like, a thing. People do this to see how many loops you can do while Central park is open from 5am to 1am and then they close the park, cops kick you out. Anyways, I decided to do this. I decided I'm gonna do this for charity, for Save the Children. I put up a thing. I've never hit people up for money before. Money piles in, man. We raised over $116,000, which is amazing.

B (50:44)

Didn't you also run 116 miles?

D (50:46)

I knew that would happen.

C (50:47)

Yeah.

D (50:48)

So that worked out. I broke the record, and I put this all came together where I said, I'm so fit. So I did this a week later. It was exactly four years ago, and I need new challenge, man. That same year, I ran from Montauk to Manhattan, and I broke the record of crossing Long island by foot on the hottest day of the summer. August 4th, I believe it was the single hottest day of the summer. 1010 WINS interviewed me, and they're like, dude, you know it's gonna be like, 98 degrees, literally the hottest day of summer. They go, are you gonna quit? I'm like, quit? I'm like, that makes it so Much better. Like something's wrong with you. Yeah, yeah,

B (51:21)

I agree with 1010.

D (51:22)

But now anytime my kids are complaining if we drive from like Montauk back home, they're like, dude, this ting song. I'm like, you know the half of it, bro. When I was a kid, I ran. Yeah, you're like the worst with that.

C (51:30)

Probably like back in the day I used to walk two miles uphill.

B (51:33)

You're like, I ran 136. You said you started doing this around like 13.

D (51:39)

13 is when I started.

B (51:40)

So were you just like cheating on tests?

D (51:43)

I can neither confirm nor deny these allegations. Frank Alvarez.

B (51:48)

I'll tell you, 13 year old Frankie, my powers were cheating on every test that I have. I'm every single one.

D (51:53)

You, like, look down at this question abcd. And then you look at the teacher and you say, oh, could you just look at these tests for me and look at me. B.

B (52:01)

Got it, got it, got it. I came up with B in my head. What? I said B when he was abcd.

C (52:07)

All right, well this is, this is. I'm just like astounded.

B (52:11)

Honestly, I am.

C (52:12)

Do you run every day?

D (52:14)

I don't run every day. There's people who have streaks and they do that. I have too much. There's the, the between career, remaining married while traveling and not, you know, juggling five kids. And it's very. And I have two kids that are still in diapers even though my two year old is being potty trained right now. So we have like a, just a staring match of me staring at her being like, please crap on the rug. No, we have, we have an 11 month old and a 2 year old.

B (52:38)

Oh wow.

D (52:39)

There's just a lot of kids. So the short answer is once the kids are sleeping, I can get back into a rhythm of like running in the mornings. And when I travel, shockingly, I run way more because I'm gone when I'm home. It's hard to sneak it in. Like this morning, I got back yesterday at 1am I was in Austin, Texas for a gig, another podcast. And then I got back at 1am I was like debating can I wake up at 5:30? But it just didn't happen to go run. So I feel, I feel like a loser this morning. Joe, thanks for bringing that.

B (53:05)

You wake up at 5:30 to run. I woke up at 5:30 to play MLB the Show. There's a clear. There's only so much similarity, so many similarities.

D (53:16)

We're pretty much the same person. Yeah, but how many miles will you do? Like on any given day, I would love Mike. My, like my comfort run is like going around 20 miles. Like that's mode I enjoy the most. I like to run minimum 10 miles or I don't feel like I really did anything. But that's, Everybody's different. Their bodies are different. Like that's.

B (53:32)

Do you consider yourself like a very disciplined person and does that have to

D (53:35)

do anything with your so rabidly adhd? But the running takes my mind and it slows it down. And right now because I have so much media, I'm in a. When is this coming out? Do we know?

B (53:49)

You tell us. You tell us.

D (53:51)

So depending on when it comes out. April 25th, I'm hosting the White House Correspondents Dinner.

B (53:54)

Congratulations.

D (53:55)

Thank you. And so President Trump is coming for the first time ever while in office. He's never done it while president and so it's, it's, it's gonna be hopefully a big thing.

B (54:04)

He's gonna lose his mind with you.

D (54:06)

Yeah. I hope he throws up like were about to.

B (54:08)

This is gross.

D (54:10)

What was I going to say? I need time to come up with stuff. Like our finale. The thing I'm going to do for you at the end, I came up with last night on the plane from Austin at 11:30pm where it just, the puzzle pieces came together. You watch the movie Usual Suspects.

B (54:25)

Great movie classic.

D (54:26)

You know when he like drops the glass and it says Kobayashi and like the whole thing. Kaiser so. And Kevin Spacey, just like, he stops the limp. Sorry for everyone who hasn't seen the movie. Just ruined everything. And he just. You realize in your mind, blow. That's what I like. I like those moments where your mind is blown. You're freaked out. Oh my God. But then at the end there's this shock ending that you can't believe. That is, that's like my chef's kiss when it comes to mentalism.

C (54:49)

I can't do.

B (54:50)

Has anyone ever like offered you money to, to like you to tell them

D (54:54)

how you do it? Many people. Like the FBI.

B (54:58)

Oh yeah, you can, you could be a great like with the CIA or something like that.

D (55:02)

I can't really say whether the CIA has reached out. I'm not going to say publicly. But FBI, law enforcement, many, many lawyers. Do you think you could actually like,

C (55:09)

you would be an asset there.

D (55:11)

So, okay, so I, I, it's very important because I, what I do, it's very important. Ethics. So like right off the jump, and I usually say this, I'm not supernatural. I don't pretend to have psychic Abilities. And the key ways to know that is that what I'm doing is learnable, repeatable, and it's based in science, which means there's a method I could explain. Now, it's important to understand why I'm saying that. Learnable means I could teach you to do mentalism. There are books or videos. Most psychics cannot teach you how to be a psychic. There isn't a workshop that's like, okay, now you can talk to your dead grandma. It's not repeatable. Right now talk to my grandma. I want to ask these three questions. Give me these three answers. Very rarely can any psychic do that for you effectively. And then lastly, what's the science? I don't know the science behind being a psychic. Am I telling you that psychics don't exist? No, I'm being agnostic because I think I'd be like, a bit of an arrogant prick if I said no psychics exist. Because a lot of people have experiences that I can't explain. But when I've been around most psychics that I've seen, witnessed it myself, I can explain how they're doing it for the most part. Like, I can see the tricks that they're doing that overlap my tricks. Now, there might be psychics that when you tell me they do it and they do it and they're doing a real thing, and I don't know how, but I can recreate many of what psychics do with what I do. Does that make sense? Yeah. So that's a long answer to give you, like a disclaimer and asterisk of these are not superpowers as much as Frank wishes they were. Sorry, why can't they be? So could I help you? If you're an FBI agent, profile people, I think that I could help you with certain things that aren't what you think. They wouldn't be micro expressions. They're not body language reads. Because I'm doing my thing in a very specific situation built on entertainment, not built on giving away somebody who committed a crime that might kill you later. Different environments, but the same tactics that I use of building rapport, building trust, incremental changing, then moving you back, watching benchmarks. So the way people behave, if you observe them over and over and over, that's why, like interrogations, you do them over and over and you wear people down. You can start to see patterns of what works and when they're telling you the truth or lying. The same thing applies in what I do in a certain way, but not for nefarious purposes. Does that make sense? So could I come in and help the FBI in a certain way? I believe that maybe I could. But the percentage isn't what you think. You'd be like, oh, man, you're gonna solve crimes. I'm gonna give you 90% advantage. I might give you single digit percentages because I'm bringing it from a different lens of how mentalists work, which again, is done for entertainment. I am not claiming to be the world's best body language reader. And a lot of what I'm doing is deception. But a lot of what hostage negotiators do is also built on deception. Of course we're get you a jet. Of course we're gonna get you this. You want pizzas, we're send them in. You're lying in a certain way to get people to believe you, establish trust and then con them. I'm an honest con man, right? Like when I guess Shane Gorman. I'm not stealing money out of your bank account while I'm doing it. I'm just giving you a fun moment.

B (57:58)

I can't fucking believe that.

D (57:59)

Has you throwing up and Joe peeing his pants. Lightly.

B (58:02)

Honest con man. Honest con. What about. I guess you. Could you kind of answer that question? I was gonna say, like, I think famously, there's a story of a guy that like forgot his bitcoin password and it's like, been trying to.

D (58:16)

I can only do that if he knows it.

B (58:18)

Gotcha. Yeah, that was. You answered that.

D (58:20)

No way that I could get it if you don't know it, because that wouldn't be the skill that I have.

C (58:24)

But you legitimately, if you ask someone to think of something, you can like, read it.

D (58:31)

Typically, yes. Like within parameters. But it's not like anything. But I like to lean into what people like. Where are we at, Trey? Are we entering finale territory?

B (58:42)

Yeah, I'd be down for, I don't know, rattle off a few more questions.

D (58:45)

Let Frank.

B (58:46)

No, this is. This is really interesting because.

D (58:48)

And then like, I'll hit you with my best shot, dude.

B (58:51)

Just don't. I have a full transparency.

C (58:53)

Okay.

B (58:54)

What's.

D (58:54)

Antonio.

B (58:55)

What was it? Love that. What was the, like, weirdest thing someone attributed your power to?

D (59:00)

So I. I like to do things what really Shout out to Greg, by the way, who has a book over here. Gonna pick that one up. But I have a book. I'm not trying to hawk it, but the reason I'm telling you this is because the book tells you a lot of the core skills that I use. Because if you're watching this, you're entertained, I hope. But the reason I wrote a book had nothing to do with teaching you how to be a mentalist. There's books on that. There's videos. That's not like, that's a 0.0001% of the population. There are certain skills that I have that even if I quit being a mentalist tomorrow, I could use in any career that I. That I have. Because there's certain overlapping skills of, like, how do you win people over? How do you become memorable? Right. How do you have superhuman confidence, walk into a room, perform in front of 13,000 people at MSG? Right. You 20 years ago would have probably crapped your pants. Frank still occasionally craps his pants. You know, sharding is totally within the realm.

B (59:52)

Why am I sharding?

D (59:53)

He's right.

B (59:54)

Has to be. He doesn't know. I don't chart.

C (59:55)

He's right.

B (59:56)

You're wrong on that.

D (59:58)

I can detect deception from a mile away. That was a hard sneeze earlier. Wet sneeze. So when you ask me and you say that question of, like, say it again, what do they attribute the skills to? Yeah, so I. The skill is the same of guessing a number, a name, but I repackage it in a certain way. So here's what I'll do. I will do something memorable that the other person will always talk about. Talking about your childhood best friend is way better than if I told you, pick a card, and I guess ace of diamonds. It's just not the same level of emotional connection. I will meet people, and if they're pregnant, like a woman's pregnant, I'll be like, do you know the name you're gonna name your child? She's like, oh. And I will guess the name before they even do, and they'll literally keep it and put it in a scrapbook. And I've met people who, 10 years later, like, this is Dylan. You guessed his name. And I'm like, I know that. And I look at him like, dylan, you were almost about to be Trevor. And she's like, how did you know that was the other name? Right? And she's like. And the husband's like, dude, get away. He's like, stay away from my wife and my kid. And so those types of things, they're attributing a power to something that's different than what I'm actually doing. Also, never underestimate the power of a guess, which is you miss every shot you don't take. So I've done certain Things that I can't explain. I don't know how they worked. I don't believe I'm psychic. I don't believe supernatural. I don't think it's twin telepathy. But I've iterated so much and I've done stuff that sometimes I get a feeling and I trust my instincts. Do you play ping pong ever? No. So the reason I mentioned ping pong is when you're in a good rally, you're not even thinking, you're just acting. You're just like, dude, how do I even make that shot? If I may try to make that shot again 100 times. Wouldn't make it, but right there in the moment, I just made it. So there's that weird thing where you get in this flow state where I can sometimes nail things that I can't explain to you later. I don't know how.

C (61:42)

How confident are you going into like, like this, this last trick that we're going to do, how confident are you that you're gonna get it right?

D (61:49)

I'm not 100%. There's too many moving pieces right now. Everything I've done so far is like, I can juggle three balls that. Not an innuendo. Like just, I can juggle three and I can juggle four. That's like the amount of clown tricks I can do for my kids. I've tried learning to juggle five, but it's like really tough and I miss. Or closing your eyes and juggling three. Right now I'm going into territory of closing my eyes and juggling three. Because you're going to see there's all. Watch this. I like scenarios. Scenarios are interesting because that's where your mind starts to go. Now you guys are both into sports, right? How did I know that he's wearing a Jets hat. He's like, how did you know that? So when I walked in here, how much time we have? We had like two minutes. When I walked in, you were all freaking out. You're like, did you give him the door code? I didn't give him door. We were legitimate and we talked about while we were getting mic'd up. I want them to know the precursor. Cause people go earlier like, oh, is this set up? There's no setup. I got here right before. But you mentioned that you had thrown a pitch at the Padres game, right? We were talking about you should throw a pitch. We talked about it a little bit. We talked about how bad my pitching skills might be. I want you to imagine because the conversation always goes when you watch sports, tv, espn, they always talk about who are the greats. Who are the greats of sports. All different sports, dead or alive. And you start comparing, you start doing the. In my day, would this person. How would they size up? So here's what I want to try. I want you to imagine, okay, that you're going to go first, and I'm going down the gamut of sports. Football, basketball, baseball, hockey, soccer, like all different sports. Boxing, like. I'm watching your eyes, trying to react. But one of the greats walks through this door. You see this person walk up right in front of you. I'm giving you a marker, and I want you to hold it under the table so there's no way I can see. And write down his name. It's a guy, right? It's a guy. Write down his name, but don't. Don't let Joe see it. Okay, I'm turn. I'm going to cover my eyes, but I want you to write down who you went with that you physically saw going through. Whoa. I'm going to close my eyes right down under the table. First and last name Joe. Make sure there's no way I could see this. You can't see it either, can you, Joe?

C (63:54)

No. I don't know.

D (63:55)

Okay. And as soon as you're done, keep it in your lap, or better yet, put it against your chest, but. So there's no way I could see it or put it in your lap, just so we know you can't change your mind.

B (64:04)

Okay, I'm good.

D (64:05)

And swear to God above that this was an absolutely random choice that you made. I did not tell you who to pick. Right. We had all those sports, but you could have chosen from any of them, dead or alive. Hold on now, Joe. Joe, at this moment, I pose the same question to you. But you don't decide who walks in this room until I snap my fingers. You don't decide until that moment. Deal?

C (64:26)

Okay.

D (64:26)

Okay. You do not know who it's going to be, do you?

C (64:29)

No.

D (64:30)

Okay, watch, watch. It's only when I snap my fingers right now, you look through, and right there. Snap. That's when you make the decision. You see this guy right there and you go, oh, my God. Now, in your mind, look at this person, look at me. Okay? All right. Think of his first name, think of his last name. Now, he now knows how I do the stuff with the names, how long the names are. So he kind of has a. Oh, look how he's getting tense. He's like, oh, God, what Do I do. Don't.

B (64:57)

Do.

D (64:57)

He doesn't know what to do. Joe's just mad. He's like, I don't know what to do with my hands. All right, think of the first name. That felt short and quick. That felt. Felt like one syllable. Jump to the last name. Two syllables. I said dead or alive. Dead or alive. Dead or alive. Mm. Think of the last name. Just the last name. Think of the first letter, last name.

C (65:23)

He's not breathing.

D (65:25)

Go to the second letter, the last name. Okay, last reaction. When you say a vowel, I want you to understand this. The vowels, there's five of them. A, E, I, O, U. When you say a vowel, you have to open your mouth phonetically. Somebody who reads lips, you know, they watch. You have to open your mouth. Watch. A, E, I, O, U. You can't try to say an E without opening your mouth. You can't do it. You were trying not to. The last name, the second letter. Because I was watching you. It's not a vowel, is it? It's not correct. Because I was watching. Trying to keep your mouth closed. And when I said greats, you know what you went with? You went, greatest goat. Are you thinking of Tom Brady walking in this room?

C (66:06)

I fucking hate this. Be for real. Be for real.

D (66:08)

Are you thinking of Tom Brady? For real, for real. And you ready? I said dead or alive, and I know. Tell me, just so I know, what is your favorite sport to watch?

C (66:15)

Football. It's.

D (66:16)

Football is your favorite sport, but the power of suggestion. Why did I mention you throwing the ball at the Padres? Why'd I do that? Was that for fun? Nothing's for fun, Frank, because I planted a thought in your head when you were debating. When I said, dead or alive, you didn't decide right. When you said, and I snapped. You saw Tom Brady, but moments before that, you were about to go with somebody else. Dead. Baseball. Lou Gehrig was the other person you were about to say, am I right? Am I right? That was the other one. Your head.

C (66:41)

Yeah.

D (66:42)

What the fuck is happening?

B (66:46)

Yeah. How the fuck is that?

C (66:48)

No, I'm not.

D (66:48)

And then right over here. Right over here. You know, I think. I think. I think I feel Frank wanted to stump me. Frank. Even though he said I picked it at random. There's no way. I think you want to stump me. So I don't think you did football because I said jets, even though it's. It's random. You. You're not doing football. And then you looked at this man, and I'm not saying it's a weird way. But you found him. Handsome, good looking guy. Exactly. Exactly. There's nothing wrong with that. And you looked at him and in your head, you know how if I picture Tiger Woods, I'd wear him? I always picture him wearing a hat. You don't see Tiger without a hat. You saw this guy with a headband. Rafael Nadal. Turn it around. Is that what you wrote down? Is it Raphael Nadal.

B (67:30)

Raphael Nadal. Yo, get the out of here, dude.

D (67:38)

Joe, Joe, let me ask you a weird question. Can I ask you a weird question? Do you know Rafael Nadal's birthday? Do you know it?

B (67:45)

No.

D (67:46)

That'd be super weird if you did. Am I. Are we in agreement? You could have picked it. Grab your phone.

B (67:49)

This continues.

C (67:52)

I feel like crying for some reason. I don't know. Like, I'm.

B (67:54)

Like, I'm gonna throw up.

C (67:55)

This is like.

D (67:56)

Google it.

B (67:57)

Google it.

D (67:57)

I'm just so curious. What is Raphael's birthday? Rafael Nadal's birthday? You could siri it. Whatever you want. I'm not gonna guess it. I could have googled that. Grabbing the marker, please. The marker, please. What's his birthday?

B (68:14)

Yo, get the fuck. Do you want me to tell you or you want me to just know it?

D (68:17)

No, no. Tell us what month and day.

B (68:19)

Month is June. Day is three.

D (68:21)

Does that have some bearing to you?

B (68:23)

Not that I know.

D (68:24)

Okay.

B (68:24)

Okay.

D (68:25)

So. June 3rd. You're a football fan.

C (68:28)

Fuck, I'm involved. Yeah.

D (68:29)

What's. Let's piece this together. 6, 3. June 3rd. Do you agree with that number? 6, 3. First person you picked, Tom Brady. What's his jersey number?

C (68:37)

12.

D (68:38)

12. That's right. TV 12. Lou Gehrig. What's his jersey number?

B (68:43)

4.

D (68:44)

Is it 4?

B (68:44)

I believe it was 4.

D (68:45)

Do you want to fact check or is it.

B (68:47)

I'll fact check it, but I'm 90% sure.

D (68:48)

Famous Yankees player, first baseman.

C (68:50)

I can't think of anything.

D (68:51)

I'm pretty sure. Because the two biggies we got, right? We got Mickey Mantle. Seven.

B (68:55)

Yes.

D (68:55)

Garrett's 4:12. Four, six, three. Does that mean something to you?

C (69:01)

The fuck is that?

D (69:02)

Does that mean something to you, Joe? No, no. Rafael Nadal. I said birthday. His birthday is June 3rd. That is his favorite day of the year, I assume, Right? But birth date, you only have one. Birth date is the month, day and year that you're born. Right? See what I'm saying, Joe? 12,000, 463. Gentlemen, take a listen here. Birth date is the day you're born. What was the date? 12,000, 463 days ago. It was Tuesday, February 25th, 1992.

B (69:44)

That's my birthday and the day. Yo, I'm gonna have a heart attack.

C (69:50)

How can that possibly be?

B (69:52)

Wait a minute. God, I'm gonna throw up. Call an ambulance. 9, 1 1. Yo. Yo.

D (70:09)

Also, I'm old.

B (70:10)

12,000 days. Fuck.

C (70:14)

I don't even have a word to say.

B (70:16)

Yo. I'm not kidding,

C (70:19)

yo. That's insane. That's insane.

B (70:21)

I'm glad I wasn't on the receiving end of that, cuz I would have fucking. If I were you, I would go home and pray. I don't even. I don't know what I believe in, but pray to something.

C (70:32)

I. What can you say? What can you say after that?

D (70:35)

Wait, wait, wait, wait.

B (70:37)

This was my birthday.

C (70:38)

Fucking.

B (70:39)

And there's no. I don't know, man. Congratulations. You have done something that no one has probably ever been able to do. We are absolutely speechless and dumbfounded. You found. Well, you found our dumb.

C (70:56)

Yo, I am. I don't really know how that's possible.

D (71:03)

There's even more bad water in Joe's pants right now.

C (71:05)

Oh, my God. You have no idea. It's in my socks right now.

B (71:09)

So just. Just to make sure that everyone that is watching understands there is no conceivable way. There's no possible that he could have guessed my person at random. His people at random. And then making it do that is

D (71:28)

like.

C (71:28)

I'm like, okay, like I'm. I'm thinking of Tom Brady. That's not that crazy. That's not a crazy thing.

D (71:36)

Whatever.

C (71:36)

I get Tom Brady. I'm like, cool. Finale.

B (71:40)

I don't know about that. I like Shane Gorman more than you. I thought of Raphael Nadal.

C (71:46)

Raphael Nadal's crazy. I'm gonna.

B (71:51)

Congratulations.

D (71:52)

Thanks, boys.

B (71:52)

That was unbelievable. I don't know. I. I'm. I want it, man. I. I can't. What do I say? Nothing.

C (72:03)

There is nothing to say.

D (72:04)

They're befuddled. These guys talk for a living. And they are done.

C (72:06)

I got nothing, man. I got really. I got nothing. That's. That's incredible.

B (72:10)

I want to throw. What is with. I don't know.

C (72:12)

That's a weird reaction.

B (72:13)

I don't know. Why has anyone ever thrown up because of something like this?

D (72:17)

Dave? A lot of people have cried. Yeah, definitely. Some people have lightly peed their pants.

B (72:21)

Right?

D (72:21)

Some people definitely strangle me. I don't know about the throwing up, but maybe that would be great to get on camera.

C (72:29)

That is shocking, dude.

B (72:31)

I famously have only thrown up twice in the last 20 years.

D (72:35)

Wait, you can throw out of your mouth and nose or just your mouth?

B (72:39)

It hasn't happened enough to be able to make.

C (72:41)

Oh, yeah, You've thrown, like, twice.

D (72:43)

Yeah, that's it.

B (72:44)

I mean, not my entire life, but in the last 20 years, twice.

D (72:46)

You never threw up from drinking too much?

B (72:48)

One time. Wow. One time.

D (72:50)

Did you ever throw up from drinking?

C (72:51)

Come on now, dude.

D (72:52)

Yeah, yeah. It's called my whole 20s.

B (72:56)

Yeah. I can't think. We gotta get.

D (72:58)

I've just thrown up from running a bunch of times, too.

B (73:00)

That I bet. Did he throw up when you were

D (73:01)

in fucking me and Greece? Throwing up for nine hours straight. That went viral. And then my friend making fun of me the whole time. It is quite funny.

C (73:07)

You throw up for nine hours.

D (73:08)

I don't know. Something messed up my stomach. I couldn't keep any food down. And then we just kept running and throwing up.

C (73:13)

Oh, you were running while this is.

D (73:14)

Oh, yeah. Running 153 miles.

B (73:17)

Okay.

C (73:18)

What's your resting heart rate?

D (73:19)

It's about 42. That's good.

C (73:23)

42.

B (73:23)

Are you alive?

D (73:24)

Yeah.

B (73:25)

What the fuck is that? That's mine when I'm asleep. Probably 42.

C (73:29)

What are you pacing at these days? What are you pacing at?

D (73:32)

Running?

C (73:33)

Yeah.

D (73:33)

I don't know. Not that fast. Like, it varies. I run like 7:38 30s.

C (73:38)

Okay. I mean, that is fast, but it's.

D (73:41)

Yeah.

C (73:41)

I don't know if you're gonna be like, oh, 4:30. Fuck you.

D (73:44)

I just pace Kenya. That's pretty much it.

C (73:46)

I mean, that's a pretty good pace.

B (73:47)

At what accuracy? I'm not putting you on the spot here, but what accuracy would you say that you can guess if someone's thinking of a number between 1 and 10?

D (73:54)

Pretty high.

B (73:55)

Really?

D (73:55)

Yeah. I mean, that's a cool truth. We're not gonna put you right now.

B (73:59)

We're not gonna put you on the spot. Yeah, he did this. Guess a number between 1 and 10. Yeah.

D (74:04)

I don't honestly start Michelin Chef to make Chef Boyardee.

B (74:09)

Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. With the. You must be absolutely awful to play rock, paper, scissors with.

D (74:16)

Pretty bad.

B (74:16)

What am I going to throw out right now?

D (74:18)

Rock.

B (74:22)

Yo, you wanted three shots.

C (74:24)

Do people, when they, like, recognize you on the street, they're like, yes, my pink.

D (74:27)

So shockingly, no. People are pretty cool about it. It's very funny. I had one guy who we were on. We were at jfk. This guy's going to hear this shout out, and it was like. So we literally were going on escalators opposite directions of each other.

C (74:41)

Yeah.

D (74:41)

Do you understand? So we're moving apart and I'm texting because I'm trying to get. I'm not even texting. I'm trying to get like an Uber because I just got from a flight and he goes, yo. And I'm like. And I don't even. Does he say my name right? Goes, yo, yo. And I'm like, yeah. And I turn all the way up. What's my pin code? I go, what? He goes, knew you couldn't get it.

B (74:57)

Loser. Fraud.

D (75:01)

He gave exactly three seconds. What's my pin code? I'm like, I don't know that he's talking to me. Do you understand this? And then I go, no. He goes, knew you were a loser.

B (75:10)

I'm not kidding.

D (75:11)

So hard. I such. Whoever you are, that was a great hackle, dude.

B (75:15)

Last night I texted.

D (75:16)

That's the only time it's ever happened.

B (75:17)

Last night I texted them like. I kind of am like, want to change my pin code coming into this.

D (75:23)

Can I plug something?

B (75:24)

Absolutely.

D (75:24)

All right, everybody, you can see me in action. May 2nd. I'm at the Wynn in Las Vegas. Tickets are up for sale right now. Go to my Instagram, go to my social media at Oz the Mentalist. Z the Mentalist. If you are east coast based basement yard, baby. The Borgata in Atlantic City, June 5th. So come see me at the Borgata. June 5th. May 2nd, the win.

C (75:44)

Amazing, dude. Thank you so much for coming on. This has been amazing.

B (75:47)

I am not.

D (75:48)

One more plug if you can. July New York City. I'm shooting my Netflix special here. Local hometown, baby. So everybody come. We're shooting a Netflix special. Going to be two shows back to back. Come get tickets for that show. It's gonna be incredible. Not only are you gonna be in it, but you might be on Netflix for everyone to see worldwide.

B (76:06)

I'm coming. Congratulations.

D (76:08)

You guys come. Shane Gorman comes. Adam Kilch. Come, everybody.

B (76:11)

I am so you said it to

C (76:13)

this kind of stuff.

B (76:14)

I'm gonna make the special. I don't know, man. I'm. I'm a little.

C (76:18)

This is amazing.

B (76:18)

This is unbelievable. Truly, like, thank you. Thank you so much for coming.

C (76:24)

What a crazy thing, dude. Thank you so much for being on.

B (76:27)

Go follow them.

C (76:28)

Oz the Mentalist on Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, everything.

D (76:33)

Oz the Mentalist. I'm already in your feed. You've seen me with sports teams.

C (76:37)

Yeah.

D (76:37)

Now top of the pyramid right here. Frank and Joe are thoroughly freaked out. Yeah, dude.

C (76:42)

Crazy.

D (76:42)

But yeah.

C (76:43)

Thank you so much. Thanks for watching. We'll see you guys next time.

B (76:46)

Bye.