Full Show PT 1: Monday, April 13 [Vault]

Summary

The Bert Show – Full Show PT 1: Monday, April 13 [Vault]

Date: April 13, 2026
Podcast: The Bert Show
Hosts & Cast: Bert, Kristin, Abby, Cassie, Tommy & the Bert Show Cast

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into real-world relationship dilemmas and modern privacy threats, blending the Bert Show’s signature banter, audience engagement, and candid takes on topics that make listeners laugh, think, and sometimes cringe. Key discussions span controversial debates on cheating and relationship equality, voyeuristic neighborhood mysteries, surprising age differences in dating, and shocking stories about cellphone surveillance. As always, the cast remains relatable, entertaining, and unafraid to tackle sticky social dynamics.

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Main Discussion Segments

1. Cheating and Relationship Stereotypes

(Starts ~01:41)

Theme

• Bert addresses an article sent by several male listeners about the societal double standards regarding infidelity and emotional abuse in marriages.

Key Points

• CNN article “Is Cheating Ever Deserved?” is discussed, especially its comparison between Jon and Kate Gosselin.
• Examination of gender stereotypes:
  • Women’s infidelity often excused with “I was pushed to it.”
  • Men rarely receive such sympathy; often seen as “dogs” or cheaters by nature.
• Debate on whether emotional abuse (e.g., public emasculation) can “deserve” a cheating response.

Memorable Quotes & Moments

• Bert (03:05): “A man under an enormous amount of pressure is regularly and publicly emasculated and treated like dirt by his wife and seemingly seeks solace with another woman. Is it possible, maybe, just maybe, that the woman deserves to be cheated on?”
• Caller 1 (05:21): “From the beginning of the [Jon & Kate] show, she is not a popular character. So she has been called out by fans … for the way she treated him.”
• Bert (06:16): “If we’re gonna point fingers at men behaving badly, we have to take a look at the woman’s behavior that may provoke it. Most issues... are rarely ever black and white.”
• Caller 5 (Alicia) (07:27): “I'm totally against cheating. I definitely don't think it's more right for a woman than it is for a man.”
• Caller 6 (Rodney) (08:40): “If you cheat and then you get caught, it just… solidifies all the things that they said were wrong about you in the beginning. So I think if you take the high road and you point out their faults and then you leave them… I think it hurts more than if you cheat and then leave under those circumstances.”

Timestamps

• 01:41: Bert introduces the topic and stereotypes.
• 03:05–06:16: Examination of relationship double standards and media treatment.
• 07:21–09:19: Callers weigh in with their experiences and perspectives.

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2. Neighborhood Curiosity – “Curious Case of the Visiting Man”

(Starts ~14:28)

Theme

• Listener Aaron shares her obsessive curiosity about a neighbor who receives regular, mysterious visits from a well-dressed man in a Lexus SUV.

Key Points

• Aaron, a stay-at-home mom, chronicles the appearance of the visitor — even tracking visits on her calendar.
• Group speculates about the man’s identity and purpose while poking fun at Aaron’s nosiness.
• Theories range from “an affair” to "family member," "realtor," or "therapist."

Memorable Quotes & Moments

• Aaron (15:41): “I have kids... but I have time to keep [a calendar].”
• Caller 1 (20:06): “How many calendars do you have? Do you have different ink? Red for her affair and blue for the neighbor next door?”
• Bert (18:55): “Oh my God, wait a second. On your calendar, you know when this dude is coming over.”
• Caller 5 (20:06): “Six.” (in response to “How many do you have?” about calendars)
• Caller 2 (22:28): (Jokingly) “She comes, she puts camouflage on and covers herself in deer urine ... crawls into the door…”
• Caller 4 (22:31): “He could be a realtor if they’re getting ready to put their house on the market.”
• Caller 5 (24:57): “So we’ll work on it for the next 24 hours, and let’s check back with you tomorrow, and we’ll see if we have some answers for you.”

Timestamps

• 14:28: Segment introduction; Bert and cast reminisce about similar stories.
• 15:38–24:57: Aaron tells her story; speculation and comedic banter ensue.

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3. Dating and Surprising Age Gaps

(Starts ~28:21)

Theme

• Listeners and hosts swap stories about dating and discovering substantial age differences — often in unexpected or awkward ways.

Key Points

• Age discrepancies that seem small at first but are revealed later; sometimes actively hidden by one party.
• Discussion about gender double standards (“cougar” stigma vs. older men dating younger women).
• Some stories end in short-term flings, others in marriage.

Memorable Quotes & Moments

• Bert (28:33): “She thought he was like 25…and he turned out to be 21 years old...there really is a big maturity difference.”
• Caller 4 (29:53): “I’m the cougar amongst our friends because I’m in a totally different decade than him now.”
• Bert (31:11): “19 is dangerously close to 18. 18 is really close to 16…So you dated an embryo.” (Teasing a caller)
• Caller 6 (34:18): “My fiancée is about 18 years...I’m 26 and she’s 44…at first it was a problem...but if you love somebody, who cares about age, looks or whatever.”

Timestamps

• 28:21: Introduction to age-gap dating stories.
• 29:04–35:26: Listeners call in with their anecdotes, from seven to eighteen-year age differences.

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4. Modern Privacy Threats: Cell Phone Hacking

(Starts ~36:09)

Theme

• Shocking possibilities of cell phone surveillance — listening in, turning on microphones/cameras, and location tracking — are explored with real news stories as examples.

Key Points

• IT expert reveals how easily Bluetooth devices can be hacked for surveillance, even when off.
• Detailed recount of the Kuykendall family’s stalking ordeal: stalkers took over cell phone functions, phone calls, texts, even recorded and played back the family’s conversations.
• Report demonstrates how cell phone spy technology can let someone snoop on a target’s entire life.
• Audience (and hosts) react with horror and disbelief at the privacy invasion.

Memorable Quotes & Moments

• IT Guy (36:58): “If I had access to...your phone for one minute, we can enable the phone to transmit anything you’re saying…Even if the phone is turned off.”
• Reporter (39:00): “The Kuykendalls were featured on NBC’s Today show after anonymous stalkers literally took control of the family cell phone and began following their every move.”
• Reporter (41:27): “Even if her cell phone is just sitting on a table or attached to her purse, I can activate the speaker on that phone and secretly listen in.”
• Bert, astounded (43:22): “Take out the battery? You got to be that paranoid about it?”

Timestamps

• 36:09: IT guy call-in about hacking Bluetooth and cell phones.
• 38:26: Audio clip of real-world cell phone stalking investigation.
• 41:24–43:44: Hosts’ reaction, advice, and more horror stories.

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Notable Quotes (with Timestamps)

• Bert (03:05): “Is it possible…that the woman deserves to be cheated on?”
• Caller 5 (07:27): “I definitely don’t think it’s more right for a woman than it is for a man.”
• Caller 6 (Rodney) (08:40): “If you cheat and get caught, it just…solidifies all the things they said were wrong about you in the beginning.”
• Aaron (15:41): “I guess I’m bored…I keep track on my calendar…when this dude is coming over.”
• Caller 2 (22:28): (Jokingly) “She puts camouflage on and covers herself in deer urine…”
• Caller 6 (34:18): “My fiancée is about 18 years…difference. I’m 26 and she’s 44…if you love somebody...who cares about age, looks or whatever.”
• IT Guy (36:58): “We can enable the phone to transmit anything you’re saying, whether the phone is turned on and talking or just sitting on the desk...”
• Reporter (41:27): “Even if her cell phone is just sitting on a table … I can activate the speaker on that phone and secretly listen in.”

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Episode Flow and Tone

As always, the Bert Show’s style is fast-paced and freewheeling, blending personal anecdotes with pop culture and news while staying authentic and humorous. They candidly tackle taboo or sensitive subjects—cheating, nosy neighbors, age-gap dating, and digital-era privacy nightmares—keeping the atmosphere engaging with banter, listener calls, and playful ribbing.

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Summary Table of Key Segments

| Segment | Timestamps | Main Participants | Key Takeaways | |----------------------------------|--------------|---------------------------------------|-----------------------------------------------| | Cheating & Relationship Roles | 01:41–13:03 | Bert, Callers | How double standards shape perceptions | | Neighborhood Mystery | 14:28–25:12 | Bert, Cast, Aaron (caller) | Speculation and humor about nosy neighbors | | Age Discrepancies in Dating | 28:21–36:09 | Bert, Cast, Multiple listeners | Stories about age gaps, lessons, surprises | | Cell Phone Surveillance Fears | 36:09–43:44 | Bert, Cast, IT expert, Reporter | Modern tech makes privacy fragile |

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For Further Listening

• The episode ends with a chilling reminder of 21st-century privacy risks and hints at follow-ups for the “mystery neighbor” saga.
• For more on the evolving listener dilemma or answers to Aaron’s suspicions, check the following day’s show.

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This episode is a mix of social debate, relatable drama, and a reality check on technological vulnerabilities—all with The Bert Show’s trademark wit and openness.

Transcript

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[Host (Burt)]

The Burt Show I have been sent too many emails from guys that listen to the Burt Show. About this article that was written on CNN a couple of weeks ago that I actually started reading it and saying, okay, let's see if there's a decent debate here. And after I read it for the third time, I thought maybe there might be here. And again, this was only sent by guys and I got it like five different times. And I think the premise of it is this isn't the stereotype that if a woman cheats on her man, then she justifies it by saying that, well, I've put up with his crap for so long.

[Caller/Commentator 1]

She's pushed to that point.

[Host (Burt)]

I've been pushed and pushed and pushed and rather than leave completely, I was forced into the arms of another man. Whereas when you're looking at dudes and infidelity, it's like, oh, you Know, dudes are. Dudes are dogs.

[Caller/Commentator 1]

Well, it's a game playing thing for them. It's like just stacking the deck, you know, like the guys are just seeing

[Caller/Commentator 2]

what they can do.

[Caller/Commentator 1]

Yeah.

[Host (Burt)]

Would you say that's accurate?

[Caller/Commentator 3]

Yeah, I think so.

[Host (Burt)]

So CNN did an article a couple of weeks ago called is Cheating Ever Deserved? But this one looks at dudes that cheat because their wives have just been pushing them and pushing them and pushing them. And it's centered around John and Kate plus eight. Does it make sense to y'?

[Caller/Commentator 3]

All? Now I see where they're coming from.

[Host (Burt)]

All right, let me read some of this to you. A man under an enormous amount of pressure is regularly and publicly emasculated and treated like dirt by his wife and seemingly seeks solace with another woman. Is it possible maybe, just maybe, that the woman deserves to be cheated on? And then it goes on. Let me get the phone number out to you. 404,741-Q100. A woman named Susanna Breslin wrote a piece called Bad Wives and it really does fit the Jon Gosling and Kate situation like to a T. Anyone who has spent any time watching their show knows its subplot is their marriage. And the majority of that relationship seems to consist of Kate treating her husband like something that got stuck on the bottom of her shoe, the property of which she cannot quite identify, eliciting a non stop look of thinly veiled disgust and disappointment. In fact, it's hard to think of moments in which the housewife is not humiliating, degrading and emasculating her husband, on camera, no less. In one episode, she actually chastised him for breathing too loudly. Did you see that one?

[Caller/Commentator 2]

Yes, it was a highlight that they did.

[Caller/Commentator 3]

Wow.

[Caller/Commentator 2]

Like right after the marriage was ended. Of all of her finest moments, either in the house or sitting on that little love seat thing where they do their interview and she got mad at him because he exhaled loudly.

[Caller/Commentator 4]

Wow.

[Host (Burt)]

There she is in the supermarket ripping him a new one for being a lousy spouse. There she is at the pumpkin patch shouting at him for being a substandard father. There she is telling him to stop mumbling like a fool. There she is explaining to the camera that she doesn't want any, that she doesn't care what anyone else thinks. The CNN article continues and it says, gee, where was all the outrage when that was going on? Isn't that kind of behavior as damaging to a marriage as cheating? If people vow when they marry to stay faithful, to respect one another, shouldn't the Vows be of equal importance, why isn't Kate's face on the COVID of tabloids for breaking her vows?

[Caller/Commentator 1]

Well, I disagree that she was not getting called out for that. It's just now that, you know, we've talked about this, their ratings have gone up, like doubled since this whole, you know, affair has, you know, been publicized. But when this, from this beginning of the show, I mean, there she is not a popular character. So she has been called out by fans who've been watching the show for a long time for the way that she treated him.

[Host (Burt)]

So I think the dudes that have been emailing me are saying, where's the equality in this whole thing? That if our women are pushing us and pushing us and pushing us and we cheat, how come we can't use that as the excuse when women have been using it for years?

[Caller/Commentator 3]

Yeah, I think. I mean, it's an interesting take on it, especially that last part you read about the vows. I think it's really an interesting take on it because they would be as equally as important. I mean, if they're all in the same list, you know, like, you know, and her demasculating him in public and,

[Caller/Commentator 1]

you know, sort of ridiculing him, says

[Host (Burt)]

the larger issue is one of them. The larger issue is one of equality. If we're going to point fingers at men behaving badly, we have to take a look at the woman's behavior that may provoke it. Most issues, especially those within a relationship, are rarely ever black and white with a clear cut victim and oppressor. People cheat for a variety of reasons, very few of which are strictly because they're horrible human beings.

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[Caller/Commentator 1]

I mean, guys are not like that. Cheating is just so complicated, though. I mean, the thought I keep thinking about is all this debate wouldn't happen if, you know, people had the ability to get out of the relationship first. But I mean, it is. I mean, yeah, you need to treat each other well whether you're a man or a woman. So, I mean, I get where guys are like, wait a second now we. Because there are men up there who cheat for, you know, seemingly superficial reasons, but for sport. Yeah. And I think that has been the reputation now. But, yeah, there are good guys out there. They're like, wait a second, we're not doing that. It was done to us or we were pushed or whatever. So I see where they want equal sign.

[Host (Burt)]

Hey, Alicia.

[Caller/Neighbor]

Hi.

[Caller/Alicia]

How are y'?

[Reporter/News Anchor]

All?

[Caller/Commentator 4]

Good.

[Host (Burt)]

Good morning. How are you?

[Caller/Alicia]

Good, thanks pretty much. I'm totally against cheating. I always have been. My Whole life. I definitely don't think it's more right for a woman than it is for a man. I do think that he had a right to divorce her because how she treated him. She treated him like crap, pretty much. I watched her episodes, you know, every week, so. But I don't think that any excuse makes cheating understandable.

[Host (Burt)]

Alicia, if you had a friend in your circle, right, and every day she was complaining to you about how much of an SOB her husband was, right. He is spending too much money. He's controlling, he doesn't trust her. She has an allowance. He's constantly belittling her. This is going on for years and years and years. But she stays in the relationship. But then she ends up either falling in love or just having an affair with another dude. At some point, do you say to her, well, I certainly understand how that happened.

[Caller/Alicia]

Yeah, I'm not gonna lie. Like, I understand where they're coming from, but I. My advice to that person would be you should have got out because by cheating, that now makes you just as bad as the other person.

[Host (Burt)]

Okay, cool. Thank you.

[Caller/Alicia]

You're welcome.

[Host (Burt)]

Rodney, you're on Q100. Hi.

[Caller/Commentator 4]

Hey. How you guys doing?

[Host (Burt)]

Okay.

[Caller/Commentator 4]

Hey. I gotta tell you, this comment runs deep. You have to go into the women's psyche just a little. I think that men. Paula was right. The men would have to take the high road and not cheat and get out of the relationship. Because if you cheat and then you get caught, it just, in their minds, it solidifies all the things that they said were wrong about you in the beginning. So I think if you take the high road and you point out their faults and then you leave them, because women do not like rejection, you leave them. I think it hurts more than if you cheat and then leave under those circumstances.

[Host (Burt)]

Thank you, Rodney.

[Caller/Commentator 4]

Thanks.

[Host (Burt)]

Good morning, Q100.

[Caller/Alicia]

Good morning.

[Host (Burt)]

Hello.

[Caller/Alicia]

I'd like to make a comment. I've listened and I've read the tabloids. Everyone is giving her a rough time. But did you ever consider there's nine kids in that house? Not only her, eight. But the husband also act like he's a child. He doesn't stand up for himself. It's like he's making her make all the decisions, which isn't right. Regardless if he cheated or not, that's his choice. But it has. It's a two way street on it

[Caller/Commentator 3]

also, like, maybe she wouldn't have to be so mean and critical of him if he actually stepped up and did something around there.

[Caller/Alicia]

I mean, exactly. He wouldn't participate in A holiday. She makes a big deal of this. Dude, you've been living with this woman for 10 years. You didn't know that already? And then all of a sudden would have been solidified on tv. Everybody's jumping on his bandwagon. And I just don't think that's right because she has more pressure than he does. So those kids don't always be with her.

[Caller/Commentator 3]

To play devil's advocate on that. And not that I disagree with you, but didn't she know that about him before they had children? Didn't she know he was going to be like a non participant, you know, a non participating, like, you know, like person slacker.

[Caller/Alicia]

And you know, the main thing with me, every woman said, well, maybe I can change that person. You can never change a man if he's like that from the get go. He's going to always be like that. That's like with auntie. She's been married for 20 years. In the last two years, he has cheated multiple times, gave her four different diseases at one time. She still didn't leave him. And it's like, woman, I want to smack you because you're stronger than that.

[Caller/Commentator 3]

That's a, that's a lot at one time.

[Caller/Alicia]

Wow. So I, I agree. Sometimes you just gotta cheat, cheat and walk away. Or if you're gonna cheat, don't cheat with a stupid woman. Get somebody that's gonna keep it on the down low and the woman never has to find out.

[Caller/Commentator 2]

It's harder than anyone finds out.

[Caller/Commentator 1]

We're having cheating advice right now.

[Host (Burt)]

No. So you really are saying that sometimes cheating is justified?

[Caller/Alicia]

Yes, it is. But only if you smart. Because if you're not smart and you trying to hurt the other person, then you gonna throw it up in their face in the first place.

[Caller/Commentator 2]

So you think cheating is justified? Just not in John and Kate's case.

[Caller/Alicia]

She just need to walk away with the kids and just throw her hands up and like move on. There's somebody out there that's gonna want her regardless of how many kids she has.

[Host (Burt)]

Look, if we had a friend in the same situation whose husband brought home four different diseases and she ended up screwing around on him, obviously with somebody that didn't know the disease that she had, you probably would all say, well,

[Caller/Neighbor]

I just, I know, I would always

[Caller/Commentator 1]

say, I would always say you were stupid for staying. Yeah, leave them. You're stupid for staying.

[Host (Burt)]

Yeah, I've got a one disease minimum maximum. I should say, you give it to me one time, that's it. I'm not going to give you three other shots at it.

[Caller/Commentator 1]

It's over.

[Caller/Commentator 2]

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[Host (Burt)]

All right, I'm just curious. Works like this. It can be an office. It could be something happening at the qt. You see, it could be some buddy standing on a bus corner every single morning that you're just curious about. In fact, we sort of did this with you years ago.

[Caller/Commentator 3]

Oh yeah, that's right. There was a woman I used to see at the Martyr stop every day on my way to work and I had sort of just always looked for her every day and it was like I almost felt like I should Wave because we were on the same schedule and I saw her every day and I was just curious about what her life was. But I did kind of sort of make up her story in the back of my head. And then we, we did. We stopped and we talked to her one day and found out she was a cook at a restaurant, did the breakfast shift and found out a lot about her life. It was pretty cool.

[Host (Burt)]

It's a great example because it's really none of your business.

[Caller/Commentator 3]

No, it doesn't. I mean, yeah, she didn't have to tell me what her life was like. She just happened to be on the same schedule as me.

[Host (Burt)]

But you were just curious. So we actually, you know, we went and we talked to the woman and we got her whole real life story. So if you're curious about something, email us about it. We'll get back in touch with you and we'll try to get some answers for you.

[Caller/Commentator 2]

Yeah, we've got no shame.

[Host (Burt)]

None.

[Caller/Commentator 3]

Yeah, we'll be nosy.

[Host (Burt)]

This is happening in Aaron's neighborhood. Hey, Erin, you're on the voice disguiser.

[Caller/Neighbor]

Hi, guys.

[Host (Burt)]

How are you today?

[Caller/Neighbor]

Good, thanks.

[Host (Burt)]

What's going on?

[Caller/Neighbor]

Well, I guess mine's kind of similar to the chef at the bus stop, but I guess I'm a little more. It's a little more juicy maybe, I don't know. And I'm kind of nosy.

[Host (Burt)]

So I think what we're going to find out in most of these cases is the story in your head is way more dramatic than what's happening in real life, Right?

[Caller/Commentator 3]

Definitely.

[Caller/Neighbor]

Maybe this one's kind of interesting though. Okay, well, my neighbor, well, I live in a community and there are a lot of stay at home moms like me. And there's one particular house and she receives this visitor like two or three times a week and it's always at the exact same same time. And it's not her husband.

[Weight Watchers Representative]

So it's another male.

[Caller/Neighbor]

Correct.

[Caller/Commentator 1]

Okay.

[Caller/Neighbor]

It's the same time, like car pulls in 12:30, leaves at like 1:30 or something. Or like 120, actually, I timed it

[Caller/Alicia]

actually a couple times.

[Host (Burt)]

Oh my God. You're one of these neighbors. All right, so once again, it's, it's what days that this is happening and

[Caller/Neighbor]

what times it happens about, I think about two or three times a week at exactly the same time, like 12:30, car pulls in, guy with a business suit gets out, goes into the house and leaves like, you know, give or take a few minutes around 1:20. And I'm just like, who is this Guy like, is she having an affair? And it's weird because it's like, I don't know. It's like, sometimes I swear he's there when she's not there because I've seen her, like, taking your twins for a walk. And then he'll come when she's gone. Huh.

[Host (Burt)]

And has a key to the house or does he just sit out in his car?

[Caller/Neighbor]

No, like, goes in when she's gone.

[Caller/Commentator 1]

He has access to the house.

[Caller/Commentator 2]

So regardless of whether or not she's there, he. He pulls up, goes in the house for an hour, and then leaves.

[Caller/Neighbor]

And this is like, sometimes, like I said, sometimes she's gone. Right.

[Caller/Alicia]

Weird.

[Reporter/News Anchor]

It is weird.

[Caller/Neighbor]

And then I've also seen her get in the car and leave, and he still comes. It's just like. It's weird. Like, something.

[Caller/Commentator 2]

So it.

[Caller/Neighbor]

I'm wondering if he has, like, his own set of keys or something.

[Caller/Commentator 2]

But if it's. If it's an affair, why is he there when she's not?

[Host (Burt)]

Unless she doesn't know that he's there,

[Caller/Commentator 1]

or he's just coming to eat lunch there every day. You know what I mean?

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[Caller/Commentator 2]

She makes a really good grilled cheese.

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Or, like, comes for that hour so she can get errands done and stuff.

[Host (Burt)]

Done in a suit.

[Caller/Alicia]

Well, maybe he's professional.

[Caller/Neighbor]

Like, I start. This is, like, a big thing for me because I guess I'm bored.

[Host (Burt)]

You're nosy.

[Reporter/News Anchor]

You're bored.

[Host (Burt)]

Sure you are.

[Caller/Commentator 2]

You get it.

[Caller/Neighbor]

But I keep track of my calendar and.

[Caller/Commentator 1]

Oh, my God.

[Host (Burt)]

Wait a second. On your calendar, you know, when this dude is coming over.

[Caller/Neighbor]

I am so pathetic.

[Host (Burt)]

And then what do you. Do? You, like, just, like, peer through the window until he gets there?

[Caller/Commentator 2]

Do you mean.

[Host (Burt)]

Yeah, and then it's like clockwork. When he shows up, you feel like, some, like, a sense of excitement. He's here.

[Caller/Alicia]

It is.

[Caller/Neighbor]

I kind of like, you know. You know like what you said about, like, you kind of waited for to see the woman at the bus stop, the chef? Yeah, it's the same thing. It's like, if my guy doesn't show

[Caller/Alicia]

up, I'm like, oh, my God, Are

[Caller/Neighbor]

they in a fight?

[Caller/Commentator 1]

Oh, my God.

[Caller/Alicia]

Wow.

[Caller/Commentator 2]

So is it. Do you. When you say. When you say you keep track of it on your calendar, like, do you know, like, you say he comes two or three times a week? Does it. Is it like every other day, like clockwork? Or do you mean that when you see him, then you make A notation on your calendar as. So you can look back in time and go, oh, yeah, look at that. Oh, he came four times that week.

[Caller/Commentator 3]

The patterns of behavior.

[Caller/Neighbor]

Yeah, when I see him, I put it in, and there's no real, like, rhyme or reason to his visits.

[Caller/Commentator 2]

So you're documenting his visits.

[Caller/Commentator 1]

How many neighbors are you like, I wonder? How many calendars do you have? Do you have different ink? You know, red for her and her affair, and then blue for the neighbor next door.

[Caller/Commentator 2]

I think it's great.

[Weight Watchers Representative]

Wait, how many do you have?

[Caller/Neighbor]

Six.

[Host (Burt)]

Oh, come on.

[Caller/Commentator 1]

Are you serious?

[Caller/Commentator 3]

Okay, so you're obviously pretty well off and live in a very wealthy neighborhood. I mean, if you're home all day with nothing to do, I'm assuming, you know, you're not really 9 to 5 in it, right?

[Caller/Neighbor]

I'm not 9 to 5 in it, but I have kids. It's a big job.

[Caller/Commentator 1]

Of course.

[Caller/Commentator 3]

No, of course. But I'm just saying, like, you guys, I mean, if you got enough time to keep your calendar, like, you're in a very wealthy neighborhood. So I ask that because I'm thinking this could be somebody that is employed by the family. If it's somebody that has their own key.

[Host (Burt)]

I mean, there's a lot. Well, I guess there's a lot of

[Caller/Commentator 3]

people that could be in and out of a house that ends up being a huge house. Right.

[Caller/Commentator 2]

Then let's make a list of the occupations of the people who would come to your house two to three times a week, not on any set schedule, wearing a suit. What type of car is it?

[Caller/Neighbor]

Black Lexus.

[Caller/Commentator 2]

It's like an SUV in a black Lexus. Suv, wearing a business suit, comes to the house. Two or three.

[Caller/Commentator 3]

Trainer.

[Caller/Commentator 2]

A trainer in his suit.

[Caller/Commentator 1]

The only innocent thing I can think of is a relative coming for lunch.

[Host (Burt)]

That's what Alicia thinks here also. Hey, Alicia. Good morning. You're part of the Burt show.

[Caller/Alicia]

Hey, that's what I was thinking.

[Caller/Neighbor]

I was thinking maybe it was her

[Caller/Commentator 4]

brother or something coming over every couple

[Host (Burt)]

of days at the same.

[Caller/Commentator 1]

Because if he has the key when she's not there and still comes in over every day. Yeah, I mean, if it's innocent. You know, the only. The only logical thing I can think about, there's a.

[Caller/Commentator 2]

No, no place that her husband doesn't go near and this guy does, and so that's what she signed up for.

[Host (Burt)]

Are you the only neighbor in the neighborhood that knows about this, or do you gossip with the other women also? And you all are curious.

[Caller/Neighbor]

There's one other woman that I've told this to. So she kind of knows my little obsession.

[Tech Expert/Caller]

Yeah.

[Caller/Commentator 2]

How many houses away from your house is this, approximately? Like, if you had to employ. If you had to employ, like, binoculars or the zoom on a camera or anything.

[Caller/Neighbor]

There's, like, within my range. There are three that I can see. This is kind of like.

[Caller/Commentator 1]

It's like the third one away within my range. You watch all three.

[Host (Burt)]

I know. It's like she's deer hunting, right?

[Caller/Commentator 2]

Yeah, she covers them. She puts camouflage on and covers herself in deer urine and crawls into the door.

[Host (Burt)]

Hey, good morning, Amy. You're on the Burke show. Hi.

[Caller/Alicia]

He could be a realtor. If they're getting ready to put their house on the market, maybe. I don't know how long he's been coming, but for, like, a couple months before they get ready to put their house on the market, he could be coming by to see what improvements they've made and give recommendations of more stuff that needs to be done. Especially if they have kids. They probably have a lot of stuff.

[Caller/Commentator 2]

He's giving recommendations Where? The pink thing.

[Caller/Commentator 3]

Oh,

[Tech Expert/Caller]

that's inn.

[Caller/Neighbor]

She could be innocent.

[Host (Burt)]

Yeah.

[Caller/Commentator 2]

Let's try it in the pool.

[Host (Burt)]

Hey, Katie, Good morning. You're on Q100.

[Caller/Alicia]

I was wondering if it could possibly be some kind of therapist for the kids, like maybe a speech therapist or something like that.

[Host (Burt)]

Yeah, that's probably a big piece of the puzzle here, Aaron. Are the kids at the house when this guy comes over, or is she

[Caller/Neighbor]

there alone because she has taken them out and he comes.

[Caller/Commentator 2]

Maybe it's a speech therapist for the spirits that live in the home. So even when she and the kids are gone, he's teaching because, you know, we've heard the ghost hunters and you can't really understand the spirits.

[Host (Burt)]

So let me get this straight. So there are some days that he comes over to the house and the kids are not there. And there are other days where she takes the kids out of the house and he still comes into the house?

[Caller/Neighbor]

Yes.

[Caller/Commentator 2]

You just seen her. You just asked the question. Same question twice.

[Host (Burt)]

No, there are some days that, like, she's there, but the kids are at school or whatever. And there are other days where she'll physically take the kids and be gone with them.

[Caller/Commentator 2]

Right. And there's some days that the kids are there. Right.

[Caller/Neighbor]

I'm. Yeah, I'm pretty sure she's not certain. Okay, I'm not sure. I mean, I. What I've said. What I'm saying is I have seen her taking the twins, like, for a walk, and Then he comes. So nobody's there.

[Host (Burt)]

Okay, here's Katie. She wants to be on the Voice disguiser also. Hey, Katie.

[Caller/Neighbor]

Hey. She has to live in my neighborhood. And my neighbor, her brother, comes over periodically for lunch and stuff like that. She has to. There's no other place that could have as much nosy neighbors as my neighborhood.

[Host (Burt)]

Oh, yes, there are. I guarantee there are. It could be a brother. Okay, so here's what we'll have to do today is we'll get as much information as we can from you. And look, if she is having an affair, she's certainly not gonna tell us. So I'm not exactly sure how we can really get to the bottom of it, you know, but if it is

[Caller/Commentator 3]

her brother or it is somebody that works for the family or, you know, I mean, she would tell us that, and then we've got your answer.

[Host (Burt)]

Maybe so. Maybe so. So we'll work on it for the next 24 hours, and let's check back with you tomorrow, and we'll see if we have some answers for you. All right, Aaron?

[Caller/Neighbor]

Okay, thanks.

[Host (Burt)]

Okay, Bye. Bye. There's always one neighbor in there marking her calendar.

[Caller/Commentator 3]

Several.

[Caller/Commentator 4]

I get it.

[Caller/Commentator 2]

I totally get it.

[Caller/Commentator 3]

She's also the one reporting you to the homeowners association for having purple violets. Pink ones.

[Caller/Commentator 2]

I don't think so.

[Host (Burt)]

She's marking her calendar. Like, I could see you making a mental note and being curious about somebody that shows up to the neighborhood every day, but taking out your calendar and marking it down on the days the dude shows up? It's a little weird. I get it.

[Caller/Commentator 2]

Cause here's my thinking. This. She's got. She obviously has kids, right? Maybe it's nap time right after lunch, right? She said 12:30, right? Kids eat lunch, lie down for their nap, and she's sitting in the kitchen or whatever room that looks into this driveway. It would drive me nuts. Drive me crazy knowing that. And I would. I would start going, all right, let me see if I can start putting some patterns together. I might even write down the call color of its suit. The bird show.

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[Host (Burt)]

Today was your last day. Would you continue to lie about your age in order to hook up with Wendy? And I think the answer is probably yes to that. So Wendy goes out on this day. She's really looking forward to hanging out with this dude. She thought he was like 25.

[Caller/Alicia]

Yeah.

[Weight Watchers Representative]

And he turned out to be 21

[Host (Burt)]

years old, which is really not that big a deal. But there really is like a big maturity difference, I think, between like 21 and 25.

[Caller/Commentator 1]

Well, he's in college in a fraternity, and that's what he was really into.

[Caller/Alicia]

Right.

[Weight Watchers Representative]

And there's a big difference between guys and girls of that age too, anyways, so. And he's younger too, so it takes guys a lot more time to mature.

[Host (Burt)]

So we're asking you guys, what is the largest age discrepancy that you were surprised by when you were dating? And we're going to work our way up here. Good morning, don, you're on Q100.

[Caller/Alicia]

Good morning. How are you?

[Host (Burt)]

Good. How are you?

[Caller/Neighbor]

I'm good.

[Caller/Alicia]

Love you guys.

[Host (Burt)]

Thank you.

[Caller/Alicia]

When I met my now my husband, I assumed he was older. He never really, you know, lied to me about it. I just assumed he was older. When we started dating, he was still living with his mom. So I was like, oh my God, you know, someone's living with his mom because I have a daughter. So it was a huge. It was a huge awkward thing for me. I mean, when he was born, I was wearing Madonna beads, singing like a virgin, and he was just being born, brought into the world. I mean, it's really, really awkward. And I don't know. I can see Wendy's point. She wants someone, you know, that's stable, but 25 is.

[Host (Burt)]

Did I miss this? What was the age discrepancy? How many years?

[Caller/Alicia]

Oh, I'm the cougar amongst our friends because I'm in a totally different decade than him now.

[Caller/Commentator 2]

How old did he.

[Caller/Alicia]

Seven years younger than me.

[Host (Burt)]

Seven. Okay, okay. You thought he was how old?

[Caller/Alicia]

I thought he was in his 30s.

[Caller/Commentator 2]

And he turned out to be how old?

[Caller/Alicia]

And he turned out to be 25. I was like, oh, my God.

[Host (Burt)]

I think that's. That's on the wind side right there.

[Reporter/News Anchor]

Yeah, that's on the wind side.

[Host (Burt)]

Good morning, Q100. Hey, Steve.

[Caller/Commentator 4]

Hey. Yeah, actually, the discrepancy here is nine years.

[Host (Burt)]

Okay, nine years. Which way?

[Caller/Commentator 3]

Yeah. She told you she was how old at first?

[Caller/Commentator 4]

Well, she didn't say. I honestly assumed that she was a little bit older. Then it came out probably third date.

[Caller/Commentator 2]

So how old did you think she was?

[Caller/Commentator 4]

24, 25.

[Caller/Commentator 2]

How old was she?

[Caller/Commentator 4]

19.

[Weight Loss Advertiser]

So she was way younger.

[Caller/Commentator 2]

Hey, just for the future, when you're doing Math, that's only five.

[Caller/Commentator 4]

Yeah, right. Well, I'm 29, so he's saying your

[Host (Burt)]

age difference is nine years, but still, that is it. That's a big one right there. Especially when you go down. 19 is dangerously close to 18. 18 is really close to 16, which is dangerous to 14, and that's like almost not even being born yet. So you dated an embryo. Yeah.

[Caller/Commentator 2]

Not to mention a fellow. Not to mention a felony.

[Host (Burt)]

Good morning, Danielle. You're on Q100.

[Caller/Commentator 4]

Hey, guys. I was down in Montgomery, Alabama, doing an internship my senior year of college and met a bartender down there, thought she was around my age. We hit it off, went on a couple dates, ended up hooking up, and found out later. We just kind of started the issue of the age. Never really brought it up. Found out later she was 32 years old and I was 22.

[Host (Burt)]

Okay, at that age, that's hitting the lottery there. At that age. Now, were you excited about that, too?

[Caller/Commentator 4]

Yeah, I was actually kind of. Like, I told my buddies about it. They're like, I can't believe that.

[Host (Burt)]

But that's awesome.

[Caller/Commentator 4]

I mean, she was cool. And, you know, I've always been told that I'm. I look a lot older than I. Than my age. I'm 25 right now, and people think I'm in my 30s.

[Host (Burt)]

So be totally honest with us, because I think the. The stereotype or the fantasy is this. If you're 22 years old and you end up with a much more experienced woman that she teaches you things in that, whatever, six months or that year that you're with her that you can carry on into other relationships. Have you, have you found that to be true?

[Caller/Commentator 4]

Not really.

[Host (Burt)]

Okay. Because I was trying to live out a fantasy week.

[Caller/Commentator 4]

It was a pretty short lived thing that when she found out that I was 22, I got dropped like a bad habit.

[Caller/Commentator 3]

I just wonder like. Yeah. Where the conversation goes. Like once she finds out you're 22, she's like, oh, So I don't know.

[Caller/Commentator 2]

I would just say so how does it feel to be drinking legally for a year?

[Caller/Commentator 3]

Yeah. I just think your interests are so different and your level of life experience is so different.

[Host (Burt)]

What do you talk about at that point? I think it probably changes instantly. It's like, okay, this isn't going to be long term, but maybe tonight we can get through this.

[Caller/Commentator 3]

Yeah.

[Host (Burt)]

And I was like, we go.

[Caller/Commentator 3]

It'd be a great story to tell.

[Reporter/News Anchor]

Yeah.

[Caller/Commentator 2]

Here's how you get through it. Round of shots from long term goals

[Host (Burt)]

to short term goals.

[Caller/Commentator 1]

Perhaps immediately living in the moment instead of thinking about a plan.

[Caller/Commentator 3]

Yeah. A friend of mine did that for one summer. She was like, that was like her mission. She was like maybe 25 at the time, 26, something like that. She was like, I'm gonna have a youngin summer fling. And she full on met this 21 year old. They were together for two months over the summer. And that was it. That was enough. Thank you very much.

[Host (Burt)]

Bye. Bye. And she was happy with the way it all ended.

[Caller/Commentator 3]

Totally happy with it.

[Caller/Neighbor]

Loved it.

[Caller/Commentator 3]

Thought it was so much fun. But it was definitely from the beginning going to be short term.

[Host (Burt)]

You explained it like it's a cat with catnip. She's just batting them around whenever she wanted. She's having a good time. She's sniffing from time to time.

[Caller/Commentator 3]

Oh, he'll get over it. He was 21.

[Host (Burt)]

Yeah. Hey, Paul, good morning. You're on Q100.

[Caller/Commentator 4]

Hey, good morning, guys.

[Caller/Commentator 1]

Good morning.

[Caller/Commentator 4]

My fiance is about 18 years. There's an 18 years difference. I'm 26 and 20. She's 44. I think I did the math right. Help me out. But that's right at the same rate. You know, at first, when we first met, you know, I seen her at a club and you know, doubt that she was at least 30. And she thought that I was. Well, she thought I was in my 30s.

[Caller/Commentator 2]

And so you guys both worked it in opposite directions.

[Caller/Commentator 4]

Yes.

[Caller/Commentator 1]

So is it.

[Caller/Commentator 4]

Oh, sorry, Go ahead now. Go ahead.

[Caller/Commentator 1]

No, I was just Gonna ask if it. If it's short term, is it not creepy? Because, I mean, just, again, to stay consistent, we always get criticized for, you know, how are we celebrating the big age difference if it's short term?

[Caller/Commentator 4]

Yeah. Well, the thing is, is, you know, with the age difference, you know, me personally, girls my age, they just seem, you know, immature. I don't know, maybe it's because I'm a little bit more mature for my age. Might be, you know, that's why I always dated older women. But, you know, on her end, she's like, age is just a number. Because at first it was a problem, you know, she was like, whoa, I've got a son that's a few years younger than you. But, you know, if you love somebody and, you know, who cares about age, looks, or whatever?

[Caller/Commentator 3]

And y' all are getting married?

[Caller/Commentator 4]

Yes. We haven't set an exact date, but, you know, it's in the future.

[Host (Burt)]

Congratulations. Awesome. Thank you for coming.

[Caller/Commentator 2]

Bye.

[Host (Burt)]

Bye.

[Caller/Commentator 4]

Take care.

[Host (Burt)]

I'll take one more on this.

[Caller/Commentator 3]

He did not sound 26.

[Weight Watchers Representative]

No, he did. Not at all.

[Host (Burt)]

Good morning, Jenny, you're on Q100. Hi.

[Caller/Neighbor]

Hi.

[Host (Burt)]

Hey.

[Caller/Alicia]

Okay, so I was 21, just turned 21, and started dating this guy who told me he was 25, and it turned out he was 36 years old.

[Weight Watchers Representative]

And you're 36.

[Host (Burt)]

That's large right there. So how long did it last after that?

[Caller/Alicia]

Not very long, especially when the other women came into the picture and all that other fun stuff. But, yeah, 36 years old.

[Caller/Neighbor]

My parents.

[Caller/Alicia]

I thought my dad was going to kill him. He lied to everybody.

[Host (Burt)]

Yeah.

[Caller/Neighbor]

Yeah.

[Caller/Alicia]

Not fun.

[Host (Burt)]

Was he. Was he a married guy?

[Caller/Alicia]

Yes, he was a married guy.

[Host (Burt)]

Okay, that is fun. Thank you.

[Caller/Alicia]

Thank you.

[Host (Burt)]

I think what we learned in the beginning there is most assume the age, and then you find out later that it's not. You better know immediately.

[Caller/Commentator 2]

The Birch Show.

[Host (Burt)]

So yesterday we got into this conversation with a virtual listener, Nikki, who was sort of being stalked on the Internet a little bit, and she decided to do something about it. And she found a friend or a friend of a friend that really knows his way around the Internet and around computers really well. Ended up jacking with this guy big time. We started talking about all the details that you can do to track people on the Internet and track their homes and find out information. When we got this call from an IT dude.

[Tech Expert/Caller]

How many of you have Bluetooth device phones or just Bluetooth device periods? If I had access to either the email account or just got your attention on that phone for One minute. We can enable the phone to transmit anything you're saying, whether the phone is turned on and talking or just sitting on the desk can hear everything that you're saying. We can track your GPS location. We can actually make it, make calls for us and use your phone bills to pay for really anything that we want.

[Host (Burt)]

Okay, now that's. He's saying we can do any of that to any of you guys. There's this TV segment will basically outline that all of this was happening to one person. One person. I mean, they were turning the phone on and off, listening to conversations, completely jacking with one family. And it's stuff. Jeff is more Internet savvy and computer savvy than I am, so he's not as shocked by this stuff as I am. I. I couldn't believe it listening to this yesterday.

[Caller/Commentator 2]

Well, is this the story where they say that even when they take the battery out or shut it off or something, the dude would turn it back on?

[Host (Burt)]

I think this is the same one. Yeah.

[Caller/Commentator 2]

That's the stuff that freaks me out because I get it. Like, you know, Bluetooth, if you have it, if you're connected anyway somehow. And when your computer is connected to the Internet, you just have to resign yourself to the fact that someone somewhere can get into that and look at it. But if. If your computer or phone, in this case or anything is off. Like the girl yesterday, she told us that the hacker guy that she recruited to help with her Internet stalker was able to turn on dude's webcam, take a picture of him, and take a picture. Whoa.

[Caller/Commentator 1]

That's so creepy.

[Host (Burt)]

How about this? Some of the audio in this, at least listening on my computer yesterday was a little bit muffled and tough to hear, but hopefully we've worked it out. This will freak you out.

[Reporter/News Anchor]

After four months of harassing phone calls, Heather and Courtney Kuykendall were afraid to answer their cell phones. The graphic violent threats came at all hours, forcing the family to change their cell phone numbers. But even that didn't work.

[Caller/Alicia]

They said they were going, you know, to rape her.

[Reporter/News Anchor]

The Kuykendalls were featured on NBC's Today show after anonymous stalkers literally took control of the family cell phone and began following their every move.

[Caller/Alicia]

Text, a landline message. We are going to start coming every night. You just might not know when we're looking at you. They're listening to us and recording us. We know that because they will record us and play it back as a voicemail.

[Reporter/News Anchor]

So how is this possible? Just take a look at the Internet that's where you'll find the latest buy technology for cell phones. Marketers claim you can tap into someone's calls, read their text messages, and track their movements anywhere, anytime. They say you can catch a cheating spouse, protect your children, and hear what your boss is saying about you. And they'll never know because it's supposed to be completely invisible with absolutely no trace.

[Caller/Commentator 4]

This stuff's pretty creepy.

[Reporter/News Anchor]

Yeah, Exactly. Exactly. Rick Mislen is a former military intelligence officer who now runs the cyber forensics lab at Purdue University. He's examined thousands of cell phones and says spy software can now make even the most high tech phone vulnerable. I think a lot of people think their cell phone calls are very secure. Our privacy isn't always what we think it is. And you don't have to take his word for it. Just ask Cindy Abair. Cindy is a private producer at Channel 13, and with her permission, I've installed spy software onto her cell phone.

[Caller/Alicia]

Hi, it's me. What are you doing?

[Reporter/News Anchor]

While Cindy's at home making phone calls to her family.

[Caller/Alicia]

Have you guys thought anymore about coming through here to Indianapolis, to Florida? Yeah. It'll be a long time.

[Reporter/News Anchor]

I'm outside on my cell phone listening to the whole conversation.

[Caller/Alicia]

Whenever you make a photo, we'll be here.

[Reporter/News Anchor]

And there's more every time Cindy makes or receives a call.

[Caller/Neighbor]

Eyewitness News.

[Caller/Alicia]

This is Cindy.

[Reporter/News Anchor]

My cell phone lets me know it's a text message telling me she's on the phone so I can call in and listen on my computer. I also get a copy of her text messages. I can see the phone numbers of all her incoming and outgoing calls. And no matter where Cindy is with her cell phone, I get constant satellite updates on her location. I can literally track Cindy anywhere she goes. And I'm just getting started. Take a look at this.

[Caller/Alicia]

Especially if she's already, you know, thin and little.

[Reporter/News Anchor]

Cindy doesn't even have to be using her cell phone for me to hear what she's doing. Even if her cell phone is just sitting on a table or attached to her purse, I can activate the speaker on that phone and secretly listen in.

[Caller/Alicia]

So what are the rules for listening in?

[Reporter/News Anchor]

That means while Cindy is meeting with our station attorney up on the 36th floor of that downtown building.

[Caller/Alicia]

And does their intent matter?

[Reporter/News Anchor]

I can hear their conversation even though I'm four miles away.

[Host (Burt)]

What?

[Caller/Alicia]

What?

[Reporter/News Anchor]

I'm eavesdropping on them from the city's north side. And I can hear every word.

[Caller/Commentator 4]

As long as you can do all those kind of things, you can use

[Reporter/News Anchor]

that as Evidence doing this without someone's permission is illegal, but it's still happening. The technology is there. It's been there for a long time. It's accessible. It's done all the time. Tim Wilcox is a private investigator in Indianapolis. He says people really are using cell phone spy programs. And every day he gets letters and emails from those needing help. There's only two people. One wants to bug somebody, and the other has been bugged and is worried about how it's being done and how to find out and how to stop it. The harassment did stop for the Kuykendalls, but only after they brought in police and the FBI. While authorities never figured out who hijacked the family cell phones, security experts say the case serves as a powerful lesson for the rest of us. Your privacy isn't your privacy. It is exposed. It is exploited. So how can you protect yourself? Well, for starters, don't just leave your cell phone lying around where anyone can get to it. Install a password on here to prevent others from accessing your phone. And when you're not using it, go ahead and turn it off and actually take out the battery.

[Host (Burt)]

Take out the battery. You got to be that paranoid about

[Caller/Commentator 2]

it, but you think about it, you can't.

[Caller/Alicia]

Wow.

[Caller/Commentator 2]

Now, think about some stuff from this. This news story. Like, take out the battery. How do you charge your phone? You gotta leave the battery in there, right?

[Tech Expert/Caller]

Right.

[Caller/Commentator 2]

Where does everybody keep their phone at night?

[Caller/Commentator 3]

On their nightstand.

[Caller/Commentator 2]

Boom. So if somebody could call up and listen to everything going on in your bedroom. Hello.

[Host (Burt)]

Oh, boy. Good morning. Squeaky, squeaky, squeaky, squeaky. As I said, this is not nearly as freaky to Jeff because he's pretty computer savvy, but I heard this yesterday. Couldn't believe it.

[Caller/Neighbor]

Shocking.

[Host (Burt)]

Yeah, the bird show.