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Burt
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Jeff
All right, so let's try to define here, Jeff, what the social bomber is. The Social bomber is a person that when you're out or what have you and you're amongst your group and you're having a great time, you're getting your buzzed on, you're in the middle of conversation. This is a person that enters the group and instantly is the buzz kill, starts to dominate the conversation and makes it so difficult for everybody around you that. That the fun's over at that point.
Burt
I can think of the perfect example, because this is a bomb. It's like the equivalent of throwing a giant bucket of fire on a bucket of water on a little fire, because it immediately and instantly smothers the whole thing and back. What was it like six or seven months ago when they opened that W in midtown? And that one's Whiskey park right up on top. They had the grand opening party for Whiskey park. And that dude Gerber, Randy Gerber was on our show that morning.
Melissa
Yeah, he's really, really not attractive.
Sean
Right.
Melissa
Really, really glad that he.
Jeff
You're being sarcastic.
Melissa
Totally sarcastic. All the women on Thursday night were, like, swooning. Sorry.
Burt
Well, he was so. He was so not attractive that Jessica wanted to meet him at Whiskey Park. And because I was able to, you know, brown nose a little bit when he was here that morning, I saw him walking through the bar and I go, hey, Randy, thanks for coming on the radio this morning, blah, blah, blah. And I introduce him to Jessica, and they actually have a little bit of a connection and are talking, I think, about Arizona. And out of nowhere comes this social bomber, who is a well known social bomber in our circle. And he pops right up and it's the three of us talking about Tucson, Arizona. And all of a sudden, boom, hey, great place you got here. And he, because, I mean, he's in the nightclub business, right? So he, he has social bomber sense. Randy does.
Melissa
Yes.
Burt
So Randy goes, yep, I gotta go. And that was the end of it.
Jeff
It's a little bit like Keanu Reeves in the Matrix, just kind of like Ben, you know, like the guys that know how to get, get around it, can get around it, but the rest of us are stuck there in the wake.
Burt
It took one second, boom, fire, everything out, gone.
Jeff
It generally happens to somebody. Yes, it generally is somebody that's from outside of your group. And you're having either a one on one or your group is just hanging out and you're all vibing off of each other and then some outside person comes in and starts to dominate the conversation. And then when they're done, they continue to hang out.
Burt
And it's not, it's not a complete outsider, it's a fringer.
Melissa
A fringer. But the social bomber also doesn't have the skills to hang around the conversation long enough to listen to maybe what's going on and then maybe start participating slowly. They just come in and, and usually completely change the subject.
Jeff
Totally. Totally. And they can't get in in a sly way. Right. They come in.
Melissa
I can't just ease.
Jeff
It's like throwing a big boulder in the water. It's just, it's done.
Melissa
Yeah.
Burt
Then there's, then there's the me, me, me variety, which is like you're sitting there and you're talking about how like maybe you're having a conversation with somebody out, maybe you got some plane troubles down to, to Florida and you had to connect to two flights and everything, blah, blah. And everybody's like, oh man, that sucks. We should get there in time. How was the convention? I got connected wrong once. I had to go to Charlotte, I was going to Chicago and they connected me through Charlotte. They're yelling, why isn't anyone paying attention to me? Yeah.
Jeff
And the problem is, if you're the social bomber, you don't know you are. And as Jeff said before, even though we're describing you right now, you still probably have zero idea that you're that person. Hey, Sean, good Morning. You're on Q100.
Sean
Hey, how's it going, Bert?
Jeff
Okay, how are you?
Sean
I'm doing all right. Yeah. I can honestly say my wife is a Social bomber. I mean, no matter whether I'm talking to the kids, we're at her parties with her co workers, I can get along with anybody, talk to anybody, get a conversation going with them. And I mean, she comes right in and kills it. I'll start telling a story and she'll say, no, you didn't. No, you didn't. This is what happens. I'm thinking, okay, I had a whole complete conversation going on here, and now she's trying to call me out on everything I'm saying. So finally I just have to walk away from the whole situation.
Jeff
You're a little bit nervous when you go out with your wife in public, aren't you? Like when you're hanging out with her.
Burt
Yeah.
Sean
It's almost to the point where when she says she has a social event for her job, kind of thinking, okay, I'll just kind of mingle with the people that she's not talking to. And hopefully she won't come over there and interrupt the conversation.
Melissa
Oh, that's sad. You need to help train her on not being a social bomber.
Jeff
You have to somehow, someway educate her. And I don't even know how to do it, man, because the first thing you have to say is, I have to let you know something.
Wendy
Can you tell a social bomber that they are the social bomber, or do you just gotta let it go?
Sean
You gotta let it go because they wouldn't know. I've been with her for 19 years, and believe me, I've gotten to the point where as soon as she starts getting into the conversation, I just get quiet or I just walk away. It's with the kids. It's got so bad. It's with the kids. And one story I was telling the kids About M&Ms, they melt in your mouth, not in your hands. And we were making up a theme song for my daughter's class, and she comes right in and says, oh, that's not true. I've had M&Ms. Melt in my hands and everything else before. I said any piece of chocolate would melt in your hand if you hold it long enough. It's just their catchphrase. And she started arguing back and forth how easy it is and everything else. My daughter got all upset and cried about it.
Jeff
You. You can feel the energy in the conversation or the room just deflate.
Melissa
They suck it right.
Jeff
Suck it right out.
Burt
You know what maybe we should do? Because a social bomber would never recognize themselves as a social bomber. Like, here are some symptoms of the bomb. Like if you have called. If I call Jen, Wendy, and Burt, all separately, to find out what's going on tonight. Cause Friday night we're all going. I know. Everybody goes out. They all like to go out. There's something going on. And Jen pulls the. I'm not really sure. And Wendy's like, I don't think I'm going out. And Burt doesn't answer his phone. But then I walk into Dantana's or whatever, and the three of you are there together. That is a sign that I might be the social bomber.
Wendy
Or if the group's having a conversation and it's immediately silent, you are the social bomber. As soon as everyone flees. If everyone flees.
Jeff
Now, I'm gonna put Doug on the voice disguiser here. And then we have a virtual listener that doesn't wanna be on the voice disguiser that claims she knows she's a social bomber.
Burt
Maybe we can.
Jeff
Hey, Doug, go ahead. You're on the voice disguiser.
Whitney
You gotta put me on the Voice of Caster. Because I'm a. I'm an educator. And we all listen to the bird show in the break room and everything. So I don't want anybody knowing but one of the teachers there. Oh, my God. We just cannot have a conversation with her. If we're in the. In the lounge, we're talking about something that's very personal. Like, the two people are connecting. And she comes in. If I have to hear another story about her day, her kids again, the same stories that we've already heard and we don't want to hear them again. She just kills everything in every conversation. It's so bad that when the kids are having fun in her class, and I've been in there, they're having fun. She comes over and they're, like, instantly don't want to talk anymore. The kids don't even want to have a conversation with her anymore.
Jeff
The problem here also is that once you're an established social bomber, I don't think your status can ever change.
Melissa
It's difficult.
Whitney
So she's, like, had a lot of practice at it, too.
Melissa
And it's like, yeah, because you spot her from a mile away. You're like, oh, no. Yeah, she's on her way. And they never bomb the conversation. Whatever good conversation is going on is about to end.
Jeff
They generally don't ever pick up on it, that nobody wants to talk to them because they've just established this. That's it. Socially, it's over. When you come into the circle, it's all done.
Sean
That's it.
Melissa
Dead sad.
Jeff
Martha says she knows She's a social bomber.
Burt
Oh, no. Really?
Jeff
Hey, Martha.
Martha
Hi. How are you guys doing?
Jeff
It's about to get sad, isn't it?
Martha
Well, yeah, I think it's kind of bad at times.
Burt
Is it something that you know, you do, like when you're drinking or something or how do you know?
Martha
Well, the reason I know is just because you know. Well, like you guys said, you're having a conversation and then you're the, oh, this happened to me. Well, I always do the it's me or something like that.
Melissa
So you can't help but share your own story.
Martha
Yeah, like I always have to include myself in it and it just gets all quiet.
Jeff
Oh, sweetie.
Melissa
So if you know that, why don't you maybe change that and just listen to what other people are talking about and participate maybe more slowly or it doesn't have to be about you.
Martha
It's kind of hard because I'm like the spoiled little girl and I was like such a daddy girl that all the attention. I have my other two brothers, but it's always been about me. So I've tried to just like stay quiet and not say anything, but I just can't help it.
Jeff
It's almost as awkward if you have somebody that comes in to the conversation and doesn't say anything. That's as awkward as being the social bummer. I'd rather you try to say something than just stalky on the periphery person.
Melissa
Well, there's nerves staying there.
Burt
It's better to be a social bomber than a lurker.
Martha
Yeah.
Jeff
I don't even know how to correct it except to say, like Jen said, you know, take the word me and I out of your vocabulary and then talk about what everybody else in the circle is talking about. Because generally, like Jen said, the social bomber instantly turns the corner and there's no relatable story. It's just completely separate.
Melissa
It's like me, me, me, me, me. You become the one upper. And I think a good thing for social conversations that might help you, Martha, is ask questions, you know what I'm saying? Because then you're interested in what the person is saying who's talking. So ask them further questions about what they're talking about and then that helps you get into the conversation without seeming like a totally self centered social.
Burt
Maybe you should take Martha out with your friends this weekend.
Melissa
I think she can practice on her own.
Jeff
This is an assignment. This could be your own private homework assignment. All right, thank you.
Martha
All right, thank you, guys.
Burt
Here's another way to tell that you're the social bomber. If you come around the corner, right? Even at a party you were invited to, like they had to invite you because it's, you know, it's your mom's birthday and you come around the corner and the group of people breaks up
Jeff
like a football team coming out of her.
Burt
Moving to the line. Yeah. Like then you know, you're the social bomber.
Jeff
Or just really quickly here.
Sean
Yeah.
Jill
My son hangs with my mom and
Martha
he's becoming a social bomber really fast. It happened at Christmas and unfortunately he wanted to put 2 cents into everything and everyone wants to walk off and he's only 13.
Jeff
There's still time. There's still time for you to train him not to be the social bomber.
Martha
I'm trying, but he likes hanging with my mother. And she's the worst social bomber ever.
Jeff
You have to cut her off immediately.
Melissa
Everything.
Jeff
Cut her off immediately. And don't ever allow her around your children ever again. You have to burn the village. In a case like this.
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Burt
We have to get Whitney on with the voice disguiser.
Melissa
That's not her real name.
Burt
No, it's not her real name. She's using a pretend name and she's on the voice disguiser because she's in kind of a tough position with her boyfriend of four years.
Jen
Okay.
Burt
Hey, Whitney.
Martha
Hey,
Sean
how are y'?
Martha
All?
Burt
Good. How are you? I'm okay, I'm going to read your email. Then we will discuss because Jen and Melissa and Wendy haven't heard this yet, but I'll paraphrase part of it and then all the important stuff. I'll read your words exactly. But you've been in a committed relationship for four years. Yes, I have and have done some snooping. Now let's start there. You snooped because you were suspicious or.
Jill
I've never really snooped before. He's had a lying problem in the past and I thought we had got through that. And he's just been really moody lately for no reason. I mean, you know, mood swings all the time. He's always mad at me and I was just wondering what was going on.
Burt
So she found online, and this is where I'll start reading verbatim, an online profile describing, quote, what he likes and wants in a woman. He is listed on there that he is single and up for anything. The website his profile is on is a meet for sex website. It even has live webcams where members can chat together. From what I saw, he has not met anyone. But the profile is very recent and the thought of him making one makes me sick to my stomach. He says he is looking for a fun girl, but absolutely nothing serious. He is looking for one on one dating, swingers and flings.
Melissa
So he's not only operating this, he's also trying to find somebody on this.
Jill
Right, right.
Melissa
He's doing both. Okay. So I thought if he's just operating it.
Burt
Oh no, this is him.
Melissa
He's participating, he's putting it out there.
Burt
And then your email ends with, we've been talking about marriage lightly and finding this profile makes me think twice about whether I should get out or stay.
Jen
Well, yeah, yeah. I don't make you think about it. I mean, it'd make me sick too. And I mean he's. I don't know. Have you.
Wendy
I would just try to catch him in it.
Jill
I mean, I haven't confronted him yet about it at all. I just, I don't even know what to say. I'm just so shocked and disgusted and
Melissa
quick question for you. Why wouldn't you leave?
Burt
Yeah, well, I mean, yeah, you're right.
Jill
I mean I've only told two of my friends about this, my closest friends that I've known for years and both of them think that this is just ridiculous and that even, you know, even if he wasn't intending a meeting by the fact that he would go into this much detail that, you know, he's not trustworthy.
Jen
Obviously, I mean, I. I think when you care about somebody, then you try to give as much of the benefit of the doubt. But, I mean, just listen what you said. Even if he wasn't intending to meet anybody, if I went to the trouble to set all this up and to set up this account and everything, and webcams and then I. In webcams and online chats, and I had thought about it prior to doing it, then I'm intending to do something with it. Like, I'm. You know, if I'm bored, I can find something else to do.
Jill
We. I mean, we get into issues over my face, you know, and I'm thinking on there, I have. I'm in a relationship. I tell about him. There's pictures on there about. With us, you know, and, you know, to find out he made this, I'm just.
Wendy
Well, of course he's gonna get mad. I mean, he's guilty.
Jill
Yeah, the.
Jen
Let me just follow up. So, on MySpace, does he have a MySpace page? You said this is not.
Jill
He doesn't have a Facebook or my.
Melissa
Okay, okay.
Jen
All right.
Burt
So when you. When was it that you found this?
Jill
I found this on the 22nd.
Burt
So it's like a week and a half ago. Yeah, two weeks ago.
Jill
I'm at a loss. Like, you know, and the thing is, he's, you know, his mood, things have gotten even worse since then. And I even printed out a copy of it that way, you know, because I know when I confront him, he's gonna lie.
Wendy
I wouldn't even. You know what? I wouldn't even confront him. I'd set up my own webcam, create my own profile, and just go on there and be like, hey, we like
Burt
that Pina Colada song thing.
Jen
So for a week and a half, you have been his girlfriend and have just been. Stayed in the relationship. How?
Kevin
How?
Jill
I don't know. I have. I mean, the only contact I've really had with him is this past weekend. You know, I mean, I go to school full time and I just, you know, tell him I'm busy and he goes to school. So, I mean, I'll talk to him on the phone, but other than this weekend, I really haven't hung out with him.
Melissa
So you're in love with this guy, right?
Jill
I am. And.
Melissa
And so finding all of this makes you realize you don't know who he is.
Jill
Yeah, it's just. I can't believe that he would do this. I just. I mean, it's just so gross to me. I mean, that.
Jen
I mean, I. I tend to be a woman with a temper. And I'm shocked at how I don't hear a tinge of anger in your voice.
Jill
Like, I'm angry, but I've had a week to, you know, think about it. And, I mean, when I first found out, I was shaking. I just wanted to call him because, I mean, I'm usually really upfront about things, like I'm the one to confront you if I find something out.
Jen
So a week and a half of absorbing this anxiety and stress and. Yeah, I'm just confused by your reaction.
Burt
Like, why?
Jen
Because I don't really think that you're gonna do anything. You're not gonna leave or do anything, or you're still gonna get married to him. And then you're gonna ask yourself later why, I wonder why he's continued to cheat on me.
Jill
Yeah, you're right. I mean, that's what. One of my best friends, he's like, you know, you're. You know, you're stupid if you. You don't. Don't say anything. You know, I mean, she's the one that told me, you know, to wait it out, though. And, you know, then, you know, let them know.
Wendy
Wait for what?
Burt
Yeah, but what are you waiting for?
Jill
I don't know. You're right. What am I waiting to talk to you guys? Actually, I wanted to, you know, I didn't really have anyone to, you know.
Burt
Well, you know what?
Jill
My girl.
Burt
Okay, so here. Here's what we'll do. We'll be fair that we've got phones here, obviously, so 404741, Q100. We will take calls from anyone who thinks that she should give him another chance.
Jen
Okay?
Burt
So we'll see. If you're looking for opinions, we're just get the only calls that we're going to take after we talk to Jack. The only calls that we're going to take are going to be from people who think you should stay in the relationship. And I have a feeling you'll be off the phone in three minutes with no calls.
Jill
Okay.
Burt
Why, when you first found that, did you just notice turn off the computer and walk out of the house?
Jill
I was actually at my house. We don't live together. And I was on my computer when I found it. And it was really late at night. We had just gotten a big blowout argument. You know, and earlier that day, he was on his laptop, and he got really, you know, squeamish when I came around him. And I was just like, you know, that's really odd. So, you know, I found it on his email, actually.
Jen
Do you mind me? Have we asked how old you are?
Jill
I'm 19.
Melissa
Okay.
Jen
I think that explains a lot. That explains a lot. And I'm not saying that in an insulting way, because I think that. I think that you are. I think you are putting this energy and you want this to work, and you're trying to do your part to make sure it works and forgive and everything. And I just think that. I'll just say it. I don't think you're experienced enough to know that you're wasting your effort on this guy.
Jill
Yeah. And that's what I was telling my friend. I was like, you know, I feel like if I had a few serious relationships under my belt before this happened, I would, you know, my reaction would be different. Mm.
Jen
I think you find it would be,
Burt
we're not getting in there.
Jill
Want to be stuck in, you know, stuck in this and this be how it's gonna be, you know? Because, I mean, I'm. I'm so sweet, you know? And I'm just disgusted at this, and I think.
Wendy
Then get out.
Burt
Hey, trust me. Hey, Carla.
Martha
Yes, what's up? What's up? Tell her I said, kick him to the curb.
Melissa
You can tell her. She's on with you.
Jen
Yeah, she's listening.
Sean
Listen.
Martha
I mean, a spade is a spade is a spade. Okay, okay.
Burt
But what if he could change? Don't you think he could change?
Martha
Carla, he can change. A leopard don't change his box, and not overnight.
Jen
Who's your friend?
Martha
So you just need to just.
Sean
Just.
Martha
Just try. Just go ahead. I know you're in love, and. Yeah, sometimes love. Sometimes you have to learn hard lessons, even in love. So if you could just, you know, you don't need them. You don't need them because you're too good for them.
Jill
Okay.
Melissa
Hey, I want to hear your friend.
Burt
Hey, Carla, can we talk to your friend?
Jen
Yeah. Oh, did you leave?
Burt
Hey, Carla, I'm still here.
Kevin
Yeah.
Burt
Can we talk to your friend?
Martha
Talk to my friend. Oh, that's. Oh, this is my husband here.
Melissa
Oh, yeah.
Jen
Let's talk to your husband.
Martha
There you go. All right.
Sean
What's up, Berkshire?
Jen
Hey, so why so funny?
Sean
Hey, I'm married to this woman. I love y'.
Jill
All.
Sean
That's why I laugh myself silly.
Jen
Do you agree with. Do you agree with her advice?
Sean
Yep. Yeah, whatever she says.
Whitney
Yes, ma'.
Martha
Am.
Sean
Hey, I'm taking her out for her birthday. Whatever she says goes. I know. I know better. I love y'. All. Listen to you every morning.
Jen
Thank you.
Melissa
Sir.
Burt
Awesome.
Melissa
Hey, thank you.
Burt
What's your name?
Sean
It's Darren. That's what I was. I was laughing so hard. She said. She said, call him. I said, hold on, I'm gonna call him. While she had on the phone, I just almost crashed the pull over.
Melissa
That's all right.
Burt
Thank you guys for calling.
Sean
Thank you. Y' all made my day.
Jen
Happy birthday. Sweet.
Burt
Hey, Whitney. We're not finding anyone.
Jill
Okay?
Jen
Yeah, I. Yeah, I think.
Jill
I didn't think you would. This is. It's ridiculous and I am mad. I may not sound mad, but you're.
Melissa
I mean, let me just tell you, you're so young. You don't have to sign up for anything that's going to last forever.
Jen
I mean, don't marry this guy.
Melissa
Yeah. Just. I mean, value who you are more than putting up with this.
Jen
Don't marry him.
Wendy
But until she figures that out for herself, she's gonna stay with him.
Burt
Good luck.
Jill
Thank you.
Burt
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Emily's gonna Join us in just a couple minutes. She'll be on the Voice Disguiser. She was originally on with us about a week and a half ago talking about her desire to join the military.
Emily
I've always wanted to go into the military, never did. And I've always regretted it. And somehow or another that was thrown up that, hey, maybe I should consider that we could move. We'd have a place to live, I could get training, I could get a job.
Melissa
What was your husband's reaction when you guys started talking about it?
Emily
Well, initially, I think he thought I was joking. And I brought it up again and said, you know, hey, this is something that I'd really like your input on because I don't think I'm completely crazy. And, you know, we did have another discussion about it and we're both kind of in agreement that we would like to know more about it and that it's not that bad of an idea.
Burt
So that was about a week and a half ago. And Emily, if I'm not mistaken, Emily actually had an appointment with a recruiter that got canceled, Right, Emily?
Emily
Yeah, that's correct. We did have an appointment and he canceled on us.
Burt
So that's not stressful at all. It's not like you're making a big life decision that you really want to. So have you met with him since?
Emily
We did. We actually made another appointment and we went to meet with him last week.
Melissa
Okay.
Emily
And it went very well. Me and my husband both went with him. We brought our list of questions. We had as many questions as we could think of, covering everything from A to Z. And basically, you know, I was kind of worried that we might be rushed in and out or that we might not have time to get all our questions asked or whatever. And we were the only people there. We had, I think we spent two and a half hours with him asking everything possible. And me and my husband both left feeling like he was being as honest as possible. I don't want to say 100% honest, but we both felt that he was being very honest with us about how things work and the possibility of this happening or the pros and cons of it. We were both very pleased with the answers we got. Basically, the next step that you go from talking with the recruiter is you make the decision, if you are still interested after you get your questions answered, and then you decide to go to something called mep, which is your. I forget exactly what it stands for, but it's in Atlanta and you do. It's a two day thing. You do your physical one day and then you do your ASVAB test. And your physical results and your ASVAB test score results let you determine what kind of job you will be going into training for.
Wendy
And what branch is this? What branch is this, by the way?
Jeff
Air Force.
Melissa
Okay.
Burt
And when you're in, are you still. When you take this test, have you committed to the military at this point?
Emily
No. And that's what we like so much about it is, like I said, the ASVAB and physical determines what kind of job you can get. And basically you get to pick five or six jobs out of a particular area that they give you. And you pick. You pick five or six jobs, you may get one of those, you may get none of those, just depending on the availability and what they need right now in the Air Force, we should take that test. Up until that point, you haven't signed anything. And about two weeks later, the recruiter will actually call you and say, okay, all the jobs have been assigned. This is the one that you've ended up with. And at that point is when you either make the commitment or you don't.
Burt
So you don't. So you know what job you're going to get and do you know where it is at that time?
Emily
Well, you know where the training is going to be, and I don't think you know exactly where that's going to be. I think you find that out a month into your technical school because you're. As soon as you leave the basic training, which is eight weeks, then you go straight to your technical school to train for four to six months for your selected job. And I think you find out your first month where you'll be moving.
Melissa
And what did they say about family time? Because that was sort of your original concern. Was my concern your husband and your
Emily
child for the basic training, which is eight weeks, you pretty much don't have any contact with them except an occasional phone call. It's pretty much limited as to who you can talk to, what you can do after that. Like I said, you have your technical school. Well, I did find out that if your school is longer than five months, your family can actually move with you to wherever the technical school is. There's bases in Texas, there's bases in California and Mississippi. But your family can move with you. So I'm hoping that if that were to happen, I would look up and get something, that the training would be a little longer than five months so they could come with me. If not, then I would be looking at going to school for you know, four months or whatever. And being away from them now during that period, they could travel to see me, I could travel to see them. It's just going to be a little more complicated.
Wendy
But you would already be committed before finding that out?
Emily
Yes, yes. I think when, when they tell you your job, they will know how long of a. How long you have to go to school for. And that's one of the things that you find out before you make the commitment. So if they say, hey, this is your job, however, you're going to be in school for only four, four and a half months, your family can't come with you, then I have to decide if that's not worth it to me or say it's a really, really good job, then I have to decide if four and a half months. If we could work around that. But, yeah, that's something that we'll know before we make the decision to sign on the dotted line.
Jen
Right. Well, so like we said before, like, you know, the military is number one, and everybody has to adapt to the military once you commit to it. And so, you know, and as I mentioned before, I don't want to be hypocritical, so if you were a man doing this, I mean, the family has to sacrifice and move wherever you are and support you. Is your family willing to sacrifice and support you in this? Because, I mean, that's a long time. The eight weeks of basic training with no contact. Because they're training you, basically. That's what they're doing, is getting you in shape for what they need you to do physically and mentally. Right. And then the. In the technical school, like you said, after that. So that's a. We're talking almost, you know, over half a year for this to be committed up front, let alone once you, you know, that's before you even get the job.
Burt
Hey, Kevin. Hey, Kevin. Hello. Hello. He's in.
Sean
Hey.
Kevin
Yeah.
Sean
Hey.
Burt
How are you, Kevin?
Daniel
Fine.
Sean
How are you?
Daniel
Good.
Burt
You're on with Emily.
Kevin
Hey, Emily, how are you?
Sean
Hey. I just wanted to add a comment
Kevin
to the whole process. Once you take that test and they do your physical, that's when the recruiter's with you. And as soon as you get those assignments, that's when the recruiters do their high pressure. Selling their job is to get you in the service, and all they do is try to give you an assignment that fits you, basically. But that's when the high pressure really kicks in. They want you to sign. They need you to sign to get their quota. And they also give you, your assignment, where different places you can go, and you don't really know where. Where you're going to go until after you're finished with your training.
Burt
So they'll pull something like, this job is available in beautiful Miami, Florida, in luxurious Honolulu, Hawaii, and also Bismarck, North Dakota. But you can end up in Miami or Hawaii or North Dakota or 80 Oklahoma.
Kevin
They give you, like, three or four places where you could end up. One of them could be overseas. One of them could be California. One of them could be Texas. But then again, these aren't. These aren't the greatest places on the planet you want to be. I mean, you go to Fort Riley, Kansas, for a year and a half for training, and by the time you leave Kansas, you're ready to get out of there, and wherever they send you, you're ready to go.
Burt
That's a good trick, actually.
Jen
Make you so miserable in a small town that you're. You're willing to go wherever they take you.
Burt
Hey, Daniel. How are you? Good, good. You got some advice for Emily?
Martha
Yeah.
Daniel
I joined the military in 2002, and when I went in there, I pretty much told my recruiter what I wanted, where I wanted, and what I wanted to do. For example, I wanted to be a military police officer. I wanted Fort Bragg, North Carolina. I want an airborne school and a signing bonus. I took my test, qualified for everything, got the met, sat down, talked to the other recruiter, because there's two recruiters involved, and he said, well, I can get you everything you want, but this and this and this. I said, well, I'm not joining. Well, I sat there probably about six hours that day, and eventually they're going to get you what you want. So don't let them say you don't qualify for something, because I guarantee you, if you tell them you're not going to join 100% of the time, they're going to get you what you want to make you happy.
Melissa
Provided you do have negotiating power.
Daniel
Yes, you do. You have 100% negotiating power because you're not in the military until you raise your right hand and you say that oath. And don't do that until you 100% sure you know what you want to do.
Jen
Good advice.
Burt
Good advice for you, Emily?
Emily
Yeah. Well, one of the main things I was concerned with was the job category. I would love to have something in the medical field, because that's where I've done my studies. I have some, you know, some background in that. And he pretty much told me that everybody wants to do medical. So my Chance of landing a medical job was pretty much. So maybe I could use that advice that the last caller was saying on, you know, when I do get there, just pretty much demanding that I get placed in a medical job. I do have enough college credits to where I don't have to start at the bottom level. I can start a few levels up on the ranking and the pay grade, which I thought was pretty cool. But that was really the only issue we had was that because of the field I wanted to go into that everybody wanted to do it, and I pretty much was going to get something really basic. And I don't want to be stuck doing that for four years. You know, I don't want to be a, I don't know, a janitor or sit at a desk all day long
Melissa
and, oh, well, how is your husband feeling?
Emily
I think he's pretty much the same position I am. I don't really think he grasped how much of a change it's going to be. I mean, it's, I think from his standpoint, it's like it's all good. You know, I'm gonna be making tons of money, we're gonna get to move. He's not gonna have the pressure of, you know, wondering if I'm gonna be able to find a job or not. I just don't think he fully understands what it's gonna involve. And I keep trying to tell him, like, you know, I'm gonna be gone for that whole time. You're not going to have anyone to, you know, watch our child. You're not going to get a break. It's going to be pretty much you the whole time.
Jill
And, you know, I said it's just
Emily
going to be a lot different. So I'm trying to make sure he grasps that and he's 100% okay with that.
Jen
Oh, yeah, you better. You better. Before you raise your right hand, well,
Burt
keep Tracy posting as to all the, you know, steps and the progress that you're making and we will follow up with you very soon. Thank you so much for sharing your story with us. And we also will want to talk to your husband at some point too and have your husband be on and be a part of that. The Bird Show.
Alex Kanchowitz
Hi, this is Alex Canceroitz. I'm the host of Big Technology Podcast, a longtime reporter and an on air contributor to cnbc. And if you're like me, you're trying to figure out how artificial artificial intelligence is changing the business world and our lives. So each week on Big Technology, I bring on key actors from companies building AI tech and outsiders trying to influence it, asking where this is all going. They come from places like Nvidia, Microsoft, Amazon, and plenty more. So if you want to be smart with your wallet, your career choices, in meetings with your colleagues and at dinner parties, listen to Big Technology Podcast wherever you get your podcasts.
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Hi, this is Alex Kanchowitz. I'm the host of Big Technology Podcast, a longtime reporter and an on air contributor to cnbc. And if you're like me, you're trying to figure out how artificial intelligence is changing the business world and our lives. So each week on Big Technology, I bring on key actors from companies building AI tech and outsiders trying to influence it, asking where this is all going. They come from places like Nvidia, Microsoft, Amazon, and plenty more. So if you want to be smart with your wallet, your career choices, in meetings with your colleagues and at dinner parties, listen to Big Technology Podcast wherever you get your podcasts.
Burt
So Wendy brought up something in our meeting the other day. She got some advice. I don't know if you said if it was good or bad, but she got some advice, which is cool, but she got it completely anonymously.
Wendy
Very anonymously. I was just browsing through my MySpace over the weekend and I pull up this email. Usually I don't even open emails with people who don't have pictures on their MySpace or I usually just click on the profile to see what this, like, the people are all about. Well, this one had no photo, no info, no friends, no nothing. There is nothing about this person. It's completely anonymous. And lately I've been just kind of like down now about myself and about life and I don't have a boyfriend. I've been single for the longest period I've ever been single for. So just been down about life. And I opened this email and it really like hit home and like struck a nerve and it's something I needed to read and it's really good advice. You want me to read the email?
American Giant Advertiser
Yeah.
Burt
Can you?
Wendy
Yeah, I can read it, have it up.
Burt
And I think the most, to me, the most fascinating part about this is this. It came completely anonymously.
Melissa
Yeah.
Burt
And we're gonna. I'm assuming that after you read it, the is the assumption you made. This person knew you more than just being a radio personality. Like.
Wendy
Yeah, well, it even Says in the email that they don't know who I am.
Burt
Oh, okay. Go ahead.
Wendy
It's. It's really strangely bizarre.
Melissa
God is on my face.
Wendy
Yeah, that's what I thought as soon as I read it. I was, I like I had to take a moment and just step back from the computer and was like wow. Like I don't know where this came from or anything but this is what the email says.
Burt
Jesus is super poking.
Wendy
It says I don't know who you are, what your story is or how you got to wherever you are in your life right now. I don't know anything about you, but I do know that I hope you have a wonderful life and that it is filled with happiness and joy. I hope that you find someone if you have not already that is like minded, someone that you can fall for and that will take care of you and give you all the things that you need. I will probably never meet you or talk to you, but I want you to know that there is someone out there that cares about you and your well being as a fellow person and that sincerely hopes that your road of life is smooth and straight. I hope that you can take this message to heart and see that it was written with sincerity and unconditional love. I hope you live life and live it abundantly.
Melissa
Oh and wow.
Wendy
There's no name.
Burt
That's pretty deep for being.
Wendy
Yeah, there's no name, no nothing. No more info about who I am. And I responded, I was like thank you whoever you are. And I was like, like I even asked him like do, do I know you? And the only. I only got one like response back and this is what it said. Don't thank me. God told me to write it to you. I don't know why, just listen. I don't know. I just know this message is for you. Take care.
Jeff
Wow.
Melissa
And there's still never identified themselves.
Wendy
There's no still to this day, no picture, no info. Like the age says like a hundred. So I mean on the profile so it's completely anonymous and out of the woodwork. But I just stepped back from this email and I was like nothing could have, like no one could have said these words to me unless I just read them on the screen. And I was like it's something I really needed to hear and just brightened up my day. And I'm like made you feel better? Yeah, it made me feel better about like where I am in life and like I just need to take a step back and things day.
Melissa
Yeah. So it's like you almost don't want to find out who sent it. Yeah, yeah. It's almost better.
Jill
Yeah.
Melissa
That remaining anonymous.
Burt
You know, the way that, like I
Jen
say, it's a serendipity, too.
Burt
Well, it seriously would lose its magic if you found out where it came from, because then you would start analyzing what the motivation was, why they did it, and what, you know, what their intentions were. But, I mean, that. That's pretty. I mean, heavy. God just told me to write it. Dan. Do you guys think that that was somebody who knew her and who's made the decision, knows that it's more special if they're completely anonymous?
Jen
I almost don't want to analyze it. You know, I almost want to just
Melissa
keep it, because it could have been. I mean, it was, you know, simple enough that it could have been sent to several people. You know what I mean? It could have been someone that was sending it and, you know, feeling like reaching out to a lot of different friends on their MySpace or something. But it's strange that it's anonymous and it wasn't someone that had a picture.
Wendy
Yeah, no picture or anything like that. I'm showing Melissa the page, like, very
Jen
plain, like, almost nothing.
Wendy
No friends, no comments.
Jen
When you first. First sign up, it's the blank page. No background, no nothing. Just everything blank.
Burt
Just Tom.
Jen
Yeah, exactly.
Burt
Here's my thing, and I've thought about doing this, and people are analyzing it now, trying to decipher it. Hey, Heidi.
Jill
Hi.
Burt
What's up?
Martha
I think from the words that were used in some of the phraseology, that it was written by a woman. Like, I hope you fall for. I don't think that's an expression that a man would use. And I don't know if that makes a difference to you, Wendy, but it just seems like something that a sensitive woman wrote.
Wendy
Okay, Well, I mean, I'm looking at the profile again, and it has, like, the one thing it has on it is the zodiac sign. So I don't know if I'm going to analyze this profile even more because it's just a strange email. It says Capricorn, and Capricorn's in the middle of, like, December and January.
Burt
Right.
Wendy
And, like, Christmas is in between there. So, I mean, just falls on, like, God's day on Christmas. That's actually the generic. If you don't put your birth date on there.
Jen
It's just she was trying to make it all special and like, oh, my God, it really could be from God. And then you. Whatever. Wah, wah, wah.
Burt
I think, you see, I have considered before where there are people who have adjustments that I think they need in their life, but it would be inappropriate for me to share them with them. I think I have before thought about possibly creating an email account and sending them a totally anonymous email, but the fear of ever being found out has prevented me from doing that.
Melissa
Like someone that would, like, your boss or something, or someone like maybe somebody
Burt
that I work with, Maybe somebody that I know. Yeah, it's actually been mainly. It's mainly been professional advice. The couple of times I've thought of doing it where I'm like, God, you know what? I think this person's really hindering themselves professionally because of these behaviors. And it would be totally, mm, helpful if I just let them know that they could do this. But then my fear is that they would get all analytical.
Jen
Right.
Burt
And try to enter and translate it or be able to decipher it and lead it back to me, figure out
Melissa
who registered for the account or whatever.
Jen
Now though, if anybody, you know, gets random business advice, they know it's you. That's true.
Melissa
So what do you want to tell us, Jeff?
Jen
Come on. Yeah, what is it you want to say?
Wendy
I don't think I've ever been doing anything wrong.
Burt
I honestly don't think it's ever been anyone in this room, I don't think. And I haven't thought about it and doing it in like a couple years, But I just remember I was obsessed with it for a while, and, you know, my fear is that it would backfire, but I was obsessed with just sending people advice and go, you know what? This is what you do, and this is how you behave. And I think things would go differently if you behaved this way.
Melissa
And if I had gotten any sort of anonymous advice like that that was real SM specific, you know, it's someone around you that knows you or is watching you. Yeah, watching you or working with you. So my obsession wouldn't be within the advice. It would be with finding out who sent it.
Burt
Right.
Melissa
You know what I mean? So you might almost miss the message.
Wendy
And the thing about this, this particular email, when I go out and when I'm hanging out with my friends, I mean, I'm having a good time. It's when I get home where I'm just like. I kind of think about things and I stress out. So that's why this email, really, nobody would have really know unless I knew you, like my best friend. But my best friend would tell me advice, not send me an anonymous email about it. You know what I mean? Just bizarre.
Burt
Hey, Bonita, welcome to the show. Hey, how are you?
Martha
I'm good. I just want to, I just want to comment. I just want y' all know, God
Jill
does work in mysterious ways.
Martha
And maybe, maybe everybody shouldn't be analyzing it. Just let her enjoy it and take
Jill
it for what it's worth.
Martha
And Melissa said God's on my stage.
Jill
Well, God is everywhere.
Jen
I want on Facebook too.
Martha
Yeah, but just, Just enjoy it.
Wendy
Yeah, yeah, I'm, I, I mean, I'm curious on who wrote it, but yeah, I'm just gonna let it go at this point.
Jill
So.
Jen
No, I think it's really cool. Yeah.
Burt
Hey, Tiffany, welcome to the show. Don't talk about that.
Martha
Good morning. The last caller kind of took the words out of my mouth. Don't overanalyze it.
Emily
Just enjoy.
Martha
Because you take the power away from it. Just take it. As you know, some people just love doing random acting.
Jen
That's true.
Martha
And so the last caller just kind of stole that for me. But I just love calling the show.
Burt
Thank you.
Martha
So my 17 year old could freak out that I'm on the radio. Enjoy it, enjoy it, enjoy it.
Burt
See, my, my thought would be this. Even if it came to, like, millions of people, like it was some, you know, generic spam type message that a ton of other people got, like, there is a reason you're one of those people and there's a reason that that message got to you. So what if it was sent to a million people, but it was only meant to help three and you're one of those three. You know what I mean? Right?
Melissa
Like, so true.
Burt
Take it, take it. For what it's worth. So getting deep in the secret, using the secret.
Jen
Or we have to say birds, you know, on vacation. So we have to at least use the word destiny. It was destiny that you got that email MySpace message.
Burt
Unless that encourages you to go out this weekend, meet a boy, start a relationship with him and it doesn't work out well at all, then that message. Message is immediately going to become fake.
Wendy
It does say live life.
Burt
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Date: March 19, 2026
Cast: Bert, Kristin, Abby, Cassie, Tommy, Wendy, Jen, Melissa, Jeff, and callers
This episode dives into the quirks and challenges of social interactions, listener dilemmas, and moments of unexpected kindness. The two main themes are:
Through listener calls and the cast’s authentic banter, The Bert Show serves up both laughs and life advice.
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Should you analyze or just accept such a message at face value?
The crew muses on the magic of anonymous kindness, whether it’s fate, serendipity, or an impersonal chain message that landed at just the right time.
[47:28] Burt: “Even if it came to like, millions of people… there is a reason you’re one of those people and there’s a reason that that message got to you.”
The Bert Show blends real talk, comedy, and community—leaving listeners laughing, reflecting, and maybe even moved by a message when they need it most.