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Bert (Host)
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Jen
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Not So Psycho Sue
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Bert (Host)
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Melissa
Sorry, dude.
Bert (Host)
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I've heard it before, but I was looking through the commercial log. I'm like, what the world? I thought it was something that I was supposed to plug in there. I was like, where did that come come from?
Bert (Host)
That's actually a real commercial. Yeah, it really is. It was done by a couple of guys in South Carolina, like a Year ago.
Jeff
Right.
Melissa
Has it been. Is. I want to say maybe a little longer than that, because haven't they done one since then?
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Not So Psycho Sue
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Bert (Host)
because it went viral, it got so many hits that they just decided to run it.
Katie
Yeah, I heard it before as a joke, but, you know, I have to manage the commercials, make sure that
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Bert (Host)
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Commercial Voice
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Bert (Host)
Good morning, Burt show listener. Patrick, how are you today, ma'?
Katie
Am? I'm good. How are y' all doing?
Bert (Host)
Doing well. Let's go around the room. Wendy, how are you doing?
Not So Psycho Sue
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That's a pretty picture. What is the pollen count today supposed
Not So Psycho Sue
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Not So Psycho Sue
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Bert (Host)
Jen, how are you?
Jen
Good. Really good, Jeff?
Bert (Host)
I'm doing fine. That's a longer answer than you wanted, but what's up?
Katie
Hey, y' all having too much fun? I was just curious of how Gina's doing on her not smoking and the name of her hypnotist that she went to.
Bert (Host)
Well, we may want to do those in reverse order.
Jen
No, no, no. I'm doing well. I can't say that I have been flawless or perfect, but I went and saw a hypnotist named Shawn Wheeler. Hypno. His. His Twitter name is IPNowHeel. And then what is his. It's PureHypnosis.com is his website. And it definitely kick started the process for me. Like, made it more about a life decision and all that kind of stuff, and kind of took it outside of the everyday addiction that you feel. But have I been perfect and flawless? Absolutely not. I fell off on vacation, had a few on vacation, but didn't smoke for A long time when I came back and then one, two, I think like two different nights when I have been out having lots of drinks with friends, I have slipped up. But I haven't been smoking in my everyday life like since. So I have had some slip ups. But I've been able to for the most part that 99% of my life is completely smoke free.
Bert (Host)
So you don't consider yourself a non smoker anymore?
Jeff
A smoker either?
Katie
Yes, I quit three and a half years ago, but I have a friend
Commercial Voice
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Katie
He's using the. And every time he takes it off, he says he needs a cigarette.
Jen
Yeah, it's about his mindset too. And that patch keeps you addicted to the nicotine, you know, so you still, you still will need it if you continue with the patch for a long period of time. I think it's a great way to get you out of the habit part. And I think any way to help you stop is a great way. Whatever it is that you need to use it, whether it's those prescription medications that a lot of people have had success on that a lot of people read that book, the Easy Way to Quit Smoking. I can't remember the name of the author, but it's been around since the 70s or 80s. Tons of people have had success on that. The gums, the patch, whatever it is that takes you to do it, you just gotta do it. To me also, if you, I mean this sounds awful to say, but if you hear stories of or see pictures of people who have emphysema from a lifetime of smoking, like that will change your mind. It will completely change your mind to me. And so yeah, no, I have not been perfect and I think it may be something that I struggle with for a lot of my life, but as far as now, I would consider myself a non smoker. Even though I've slipped up, is that okay to do?
Katie
I smoked for about 25 years and then I put it down and just walked away from them. But that was easy for me. I understand. Not everybody can do that. She says, I was just, you know, I'm trying to help my friend quit smoking. He needs to.
Jeff
So how long does she have to go not smoking at all before she's a non smoker?
Bert (Host)
Jeff was asking under our breath. Jen said that she considers herself a non smoker now. And this is a pretty hot button with me right now because I see my wife's going through the same. Well, she's. My wife has decided not to become a non smoker. Right now she stopped and then started and stopped and then started and now she's just, she's smoking quite a bit now. And Jen's smoking only when you go out?
Jen
No, it's been a couple of slip ups. Like every time I go out I don't smoke. But it's definitely been here and there.
Bert (Host)
Yeah, I'd consider you a non smoker
Jen
at that point then, but it's not every time. Like every time I have a drink or whatever, but I have definitely screwed up.
Melissa
Well, I commend your focus through whatever he was doing while he called us. I don't know if the loud call or is it just me.
Bert (Host)
It sounded like he was on a cash register.
Melissa
Yeah, I don't know what the hell he was moving the pallets that he was knocking against the phone. But anyway, I commend your.
Jeff
I mean I know you're a non smoker but do you have a cigarette now? Because I could really use one.
Jen
No, I don't, I don't. That's the good news. Like I don't have any, I don't have lighters, I don't have matches, I don't have any of that kind of stuff and been one of those annoying people that bum one.
Jeff
Give me one of your airline bottles of liquor then.
Bert (Host)
Yes, Stacey. And I, I'm not, I still don't know how to handle this with my wife. I really don't. I just know that she's smoking and she has been smoking and she's not ready to quit. But it hits me on so many different levels, so many different levels that I just don't know where to start with her. Like, I know she's not ready to quit smoking and I don't want to be a nag and stay on it. But also, I mean I'm in this relationship also and I love my wife and I like my wife to be around for a really long time for my kids. That's the deep part of it. The superficial part is I, I don't like kissing a smoker. I don't like when my wife walks by that I can smell cigarette smoke on her. I hate when my wife walks in the house and I want to put a kiss on her that as I'm approaching I can smell cigarettes. It really, really affects me. I don't want to be a pushy dude, but we're all in this together, you know.
Jen
That was a huge reason behind me stopping smoking too because my boyfriend does not smoke and I don't want to smell like it. Around him tastes like it. Like. Like I felt gross being around him as a non smoker. I just didn't want. I just didn't want it around him at all. So when we first started dating or whatever, I mean, I would go, you know, like long date days and not smoking. Like in the back of my mind being like, hey, when are we going crazy? When I have one? You know? And then I thought, that's stupid. Like, I'm really enjoying myself here. Like, I don't want to wish I was somewhere else because I really want to be right here, you know? And I think that, you know, when you're smoking, I think the hardest. The hardest part about it is you're always. A lot of brain space is taken up by wishing you were somewhere else smoking. Because you can't smoke inside. You can't smoke in a lot of, like, parking decks anymore. You can't smoke, you know, I mean, you're like banned to the dumpster area of most buildings. If you're gonna smoke. You can't smoke in restaurants or bars except for the vortex and you. But you know what I'm saying? Like, you know, you have to sort of really have a lot of your time of your day thought about, do I have enough in my. For me, it was, do I have enough left in the pack to make it through the day? You know, can I go out tonight or do I need to stop at the gas station? Get them. Do I have a lighter in my purse? Where is the lighter in my purse? You know, where are the matches? Are they out yet? You know, you know, oh, I should go talk to my friend so and so down the hall. Cause they smoke and I should go have a lunch break with them. Like, there's so many different thoughts throughout your whole day consumed with it that when that's gone, it's really frees you up. Like, it really frees up your body.
Jeff
You're really doing a good self or something that Stacy can't do.
Bert (Host)
Well, I know she can.
Not So Psycho Sue
She can.
Jen
When I first met Stacy, she didn't smoke, right.
Bert (Host)
Yeah. And now for years. And I also. There's. There's a part of me also that sort of feels like she was. There was. There were stages. There was non smoking, then it became just smoking while she was drinking. Then it became regular smoking. Then it became. Then she was smoking, but she was never smoking in front of me. And now she's smoking in front of me, which pisses me off.
Melissa
When did that start?
Bert (Host)
A couple of weeks ago. She invited me out on the patio. They had some people over the house, and there she was, just lighting up. Like, has totally forgotten how much it bugs me. And then it happened the other day also, and I hate everything about it. Everything about it. Hey, Blythe. Good morning. You're on Q100.
Caller 1
Hey, good morning, Burt Show.
Bert (Host)
Good morning.
Caller 1
I was just gonna say my mother is hauling around oxygen from, you know, a lifetime of smoking, and she's miserable to be around.
Bert (Host)
Yeah, my dad has emphysema so bad now he can't. He can't walk 100ft without hitting some oxygen.
Caller 1
That's how my mom is. Except she has it 24 7.
Bert (Host)
Well, I see. My thing with that is that our parents didn't know any better. They were ignorant. Like, they didn't know how bad cigarette smoking was, so they were going for it. Now they have to. Obviously, they got the repercussions. Personally, I know this sounds harsh. Harsh language right here. I think if you're smoking now, you're just stupid. I mean, you know, a death sentence
Caller 1
is the stupidest thing anyone can do.
Bert (Host)
It is a death sentence. And, you know, and gosh, this sounds so hard. The words are coming out of my mouth. But I'm getting passionate about it now. It's not fair. I mean, you're killing yourself in front of your kids. If you have kids and you're smoking, you're doing a tremendous disservice for everybody in your family.
Caller 1
Amen.
Melissa
You know, I think that for a lot of people. For a lot of people. And I don't know if it's human nature or whatever it is, but this whole. In the future, 20 years from now, you know, like, when you're thinking. When you're warning people about the end of their life and how the end of their life is coming, and this is with food and with cigarettes and with drinking and with everything, I think it's hard for people to think, oh, I know I should be the perfect weight, and I know I should be exercising, and I know I should, but it's so hard to do it. And I think it's the same mentality with smoking. But I do know that smoking will kill you. And the other ones might kill you. You know, it might kill you to have that candy bar. It might kill you to have that drink. It will kill you to have that cigarette.
Jen
I heard a couple of friends the other day who saw, like, a very pregnant girl go outside and smoke a cigarette.
Jeff
Oh, no. I used to work with a girl who would drink and smoke at, like, I Mean big, big belly. Pregnant. I don't know if she's seven. When, when does the belly. You know how the belly gets.
Melissa
Don't look at me.
Jen
I don't know where you can tell where.
Melissa
It's like a pooch.
Not So Psycho Sue
She started like three months, six months.
Jeff
Not a. Like the bell.
Commercial Voice
Huge.
Jeff
That's like what, six, seven and a half, eight months? Something like that.
Bert (Host)
Well, you remember that virtual listener we had on years ago that was smoking while she was pregnant. And she said, you know, my parents smoked when they were pregnant with me. I'm fine. My grandparents smoked. And she said, go ahead, go online and find real concrete research that shows something happens to your infant when you smoke during pregnancy. And we had a couple of people researching it and the evidence wasn't so black and white.
Jeff
I know. Unfortunately, the thought is why would you
Jen
do anything that could put.
Jeff
If the chance is 1/10 of 1%, why. Why would you do it? You know, it's only nine months.
Bert (Host)
I understand it's hard to do, but
Jen
it's hard to quit. It really is.
Not So Psycho Sue
I know.
Melissa
Yeah. It just. But yeah, I mean, I, I'm a former smoker. I mean, I was stupid too. I. It's just. But it's, you know, it'll kill you. It will kill you. It will kill you.
Jen
It will.
Melissa
And from the. From now to.
Jeff
You're so negative.
Melissa
Yeah, I know.
Bert (Host)
God, Melissa, I can't be more positive about people killing.
Melissa
God, Melissa, why do you have to be so opinionated all the time? Your opinions, blah, blah, blah. But it's just.
Not So Psycho Sue
It will.
Melissa
I mean, there's a reason why the doctors ask you if you're a smoker, because you will. Even, even now with me, with Jen, you know, people who had smoked when we're 80, you know, God willing, will live to be 80. It'll still be part of our record and the doctor's concern for us.
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it's the vert show.
Bert (Host)
So today is is tax day. And I know, man, people hate this day. Giving your hard earned money away. You hate it, right? You circled it on your calendar for months and months and months. I was talking to some friends over the weekend about it, you know, and you know, it's pretty much the typical stories that we're probably going to go through right here. You know, I'm working so hard, you know, I look at the statistics and I mean I'm giving all of my money to the government up until like March 15th. You know, I think statistics show that and I have a different take on it and I know I'm gonna sound a little Hannity esque here.
Not So Psycho Sue
Okay.
Bert (Host)
I actually, I don't mind paying taxes. I really don't mind paying taxes. And here's my thinking on the whole thing.
Melissa
That's not very Hannity, I was gonna say. That's not, that's not a Republican theory.
Bert (Host)
Is Hannity like not. Well, hear me out first and then I think you'll hear themes of Hannity Here.
Melissa
Okay.
Bert (Host)
Um, I've done a certain. I've done a good amount of traveling, so I've seen some. Most of the parts of the world, right? Or at least some parts of the world. And obviously living here, I can make some pretty good comparisons. And whenever I get home, I really do realize that this country runs in such a different place than other countries. The organization of the United States, the government stability of the US Just the way I really do believe in my heart and of hearts, we are lucky to be living in this country, man. There is no better country in the world. And I really do believe that. And I kind of feel like whenever you want something top shelf, you gotta pay for that. You want a Ketel Wand, the best vodka, you are gonna pay extra for that. If you want Gucci, you want Prada, if you want the best products, you're gonna pay a little extra, more money for that. And I really do, in my heart of hearts. And this is where I feel like the whole Hannity thing coming in, I feel like this is what we pay for in this country. We have so many freedoms here that they don't have in the rest of the world that if you just watch the news from time to time and you see how some women are treated in the rest of the world, you see how kids are treated in the rest of the world. You know, we were talking about kids slavery and stuff like that. This country's the best, man. This is it right here. So when tax season rolls around, I don't get bothered by it. Now I also will say to argue the other side, I'm not exactly sure how much I'm paying. Cause Stacey does all of that. I know what percentile I'm in, but I've never written the check. And maybe if I did, I would feel differently. But I feel like if you want something top shelf, you gotta pay for it. And on tax day for me, I'm cool with it.
Jen
Isn't most of the political debate the divide on what taxes are spent on, I think, and how much we're taxed and how we're taxed and that sort of thing. So kinda, I think there's like kinda two different.
Melissa
Well, but I mean, there's, you know, I mean, this is getting politics, but just briefly, like Bush had done some tax breaks for corporations and for rich people. That's about to expire. So I do believe that, yeah, the biggest debate is actually the money we spend on what it's spent on. But I do think, where does that money go?
Jen
Does it Go to military? Does it go to education? Does it go to healthcare? Does it go to, you know that. That's a lot of the political debate, but how much were taxed is also
Commercial Voice
part of it, right?
Melissa
Yeah, but when you brought Hannity, the only reason I brought the Republican thing up is because, I mean, Republicans fought for some tax breaks. So I don't know if the Republicans are all about paying taxes, but, I mean, I have no problem paying taxes either because I feel like it's the rent in the country. Like, I'm paying my rent. You know, I live in the country. I'm paying my rent. I live in my home. I have to pay a payment for that. So, you know, I just. And I agree with you. I think I. There's nowhere else I'd rather be. I have no problem paying taxes. And I'm happy to because, you know, the thing is, I have the baby syndrome. I have the little sister syndrome to where anything I do that's an adult makes me feel like I feel excited about it because as a kid, you're. I'm serious. As the baby, you're made to feel like. Like you're the baby. So there's a part of me that still, even, you know, even at 40, I'm like, you know what? I'm paying taxes.
Bert (Host)
That's cool.
Commercial Voice
Cool.
Bert (Host)
Bring on the census, too. That'll really make my day.
Melissa
But the only thing that bothered me, you know, I was more passionate about it earlier this week, and I've kind of watered it down because I don't have anything in front of me. But basically, the one thing, though, that does irritate me about tax season is the fact that Katie and I can't get married. And that would allow us a tax break. One of the, you know, we don't file our taxes together. And it just a case in which she and a friend of her, hers, you know, Katie ended up owing and her friend ended up getting a refund simply because her friend was married. You know, and it's just that was
Jen
the only difference in what they.
Melissa
Only difference in what they were filing. And so it just was, you know, it kind of brought it home where she. She came home. It's like, you know what, it just. Just irritates me that we live the same life and do the same things. And at the end of the day, but on.
Jen
On the box, she has to check
Melissa
single and I have to. And she has to write the check.
Bert (Host)
Do you have any kind of anger that you're in a country that doesn't provide you the same freedoms. Yeah. And you have to write a check for that.
Melissa
Absolutely. Well, I mean, again, I'm happy to pay my taxes, but one of the things that frustrates me when you talk about spending is, okay, you want my money for the military, you want me to help provide for the military, but you won't let me serve in the military. You know, there are little things that at the back of my mind, just irritated the hell out of me, you know, like, if you want me to be completely fully honest and excited about my taxes, then give me the same, you know, pay me back. Give me the same products that everybody else in this room is provided. You know, you don't charge me less taxes for your taxes, but in business, that would be bad business, you know?
Bert (Host)
You have any problem stroking that check every year?
Jen
No, I don't, because I tend to agree with you. I think that we're provided with so much more security in our country than anywhere else. And I haven't done quite as much travel as you, but been to a couple different third world countries and have lots of friends who travel the world. And I've told you all about my friend who's in Kenya right now, and she and her cousin don't go out after dark because there's so many carjackings there. And Jeff and I were talking about it yesterday. A lot of times people tell you when you travel to Africa have cash on you because if they try to carjack you, you can pay them not to carjack you. Look, take my money and don't carjack me.
Commercial Voice
Which is true.
Jeff
Which is bad economics, because the car could definitely go for more than 100 bucks.
Jen
It's less bother. So they'll go, oh, okay. And guess what? We don't have to worry about that. You know, our safety and security is a huge part of what allows us to live the freedom and live the lives that we do. So if tax is what takes care of that, then I'm fine with it.
Bert (Host)
Here is Whitney. Good morning. You're on Q100.
Caller 1
Good morning, Y'.
Katie
All.
Caller 1
Yeah, I just want to say I'm so glad you guys are brushing this topic this morning because it's been very frustrating for me, too, because I agree with you guys and Bert. The same thing happens to me every time I say that. People look at me like I'm the craziest person on earth. But it's true. If we don't put our money in, we're not going to get anything out. So it's really frustrating when you hear people complaining, I don't want to pay my taxes. I don't want to pay my taxes. And then turn around in the same sentence and say, but I want education to get better and I want to keep our roads nice. And, you know, they want all these infrastructure things to be put into place, but they don't want to pay for that. And that's not how it works. If you want it to get fixed, it's got to come from somewhere. And unfortunately or fortunately, in my opinion, that's from our pockets. We're all a part of this country, and we need to do our part
Melissa
to help out and then furthering that. That's why I get frustrated. People say, I don't. I'm not going to vote, you know, because you can't complain because the legislatures are the ones, they're the ones that spend the money. So if you're mad about, you know,
Jen
everything, where it's getting, where it's been
Melissa
getting spent, but then you didn't go out and vote, then you just, I, to me, can't complain.
Bert (Host)
Hey, Becky, good morning. You're on The Birch Show. Q100. Talking taxes.
Caller 1
Absolutely. I, I don't necessarily. I agree with you guys to a certain degree. I necessarily don't have a problem paying taxes. My concern comes from people who do not pay their taxes, who don't file, and also illegal immigrants who don't file, who obviously do not pay taxes because there's no, there's no possibility of them being able to because they're paid cash money. They're, you know, living the low. You know, basically being paid under the table and hiding out and not paying taxes, which if everybody paid taxes, the government would have much more money than, you know, the United States. I feel like that would be so much safer. We would have more things and everything would be so much better.
Bert (Host)
We're going to try to talk to some of these people later on that are refusing to pay taxes and have refused to pay taxes for years because there is a certain amount of people in this country that try to get by as long as they can. I just don't agree with what's going on. I don't agree with what Barack Obama's doing. I am just not paying taxes this year.
Jen
What was that celebrity we won't put
Bert (Host)
you on the Voice,
Jeff
Wesley Snipes.
Jen
Oh, I was trying to. I was trying to remember which celebrity it was, but, yeah, he didn't pay for years.
Jeff
Are they gonna call us from prison?
Bert (Host)
It sounds like Pamela Anderson has decided not to pay. Also, they'll give it.
Melissa
Eventually, you're gonna have to pay.
Bert (Host)
She met you now they're gonna get you later.
Jeff
Just been trying to distract Larry King from her nipple covers that he was asking about.
Bert (Host)
Here is Holly. Go ahead. You're on Q100.
Caller 1
Hi. Nice to be on the show.
Bert (Host)
Thanks for calling.
Caller 1
One of the things I want, there was a statement that you pay more taxes when you file single as opposed to filing as a married couple. And I've run the numbers both ways. I've run the numbers where my husband and I pay together and as single because I have turbotax and I can do it online and I mean, I can run the numbers on my computer. And what I found was that we pay $10,000 more in taxes because we're married.
Bert (Host)
So you're gonna. Are you gonna divorce him?
Caller 1
We do have that discussion, and it's a humorous discussion.
Bert (Host)
You gotta let him go, man. He's costing you $10,000. I don't know that he's worth it.
Melissa
That's not a good investment.
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You know what I could get for $10,000?
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Why were your friends mad at you? Just quickly.
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I think it was more like the whole. The tone in the room was like, man, taxes. I'm paying for this and I'm paying for that. And I'm like, why are you bitching about it, dude?
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Look where.
Bert (Host)
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Melissa
Really?
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Yeah. People who don't pay their taxes. And I'm not going to turn in my senses and I'm not going to do that. Damn it, get on my nerves.
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And don't tell me you're leaving the country unless you're really leaving the country. You can only make that threat so many times.
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Bert (Host)
Okay, Psycho sue, let's take a big breath. Collective breath here. Not so Psycho sue is in studio this morning and thanks for coming in because I know at first you didn't want to come in today. Yeah, it's been a crappy 24 hours for you.
Not So Psycho Sue
It's been a crappy two. Yeah. Three days.
Bert (Host)
Three days since Fiji got back from the honeymoon destination. Has it been crappy?
Not So Psycho Sue
Yeah.
Bert (Host)
All right, Jen, I'm putting this in your hands.
Jeff
Okay,
Bert (Host)
I just started listening or I've been. Or I've been listening every other day and I'm not exactly sure who. Not so Psycho sue and tool in Fiji is. So who are these people?
Jen
Okay, well, as succinctly as possible and realize I'm leaving out a lot of details. Sue called us up when we did. Are you stepping into Psycho this weekend? And she called and said, I've got a plan. I am going to a wedding and I'm going to tell the bride that the groom has been messing around with me the entire time. He's been playing both of us.
Bert (Host)
And she was gonna go after the wedding, after it was all done.
Jen
She was gonna go on Saturday. Right. Uh, she heard from a groomsman and decided Friday would be a better plan because then she wouldn't be taking out her anger on the bride. She'd be taking it out on the groom, and the bride would have a choice. So, sure enough, she meets with the. The bride and the bride's family, and the wedding doesn't happen because everything's is exposed. The groom is exposed for two timing, both of them, telling them both different things, telling both families different. So he has been busted. So the wedding gets canceled.
Bert (Host)
And again, there was a family intervention there. Just to add here, there was a family intervention where everybody's in the same house together.
Jen
His mom, his grandma, bride's mom, and sister and family. And sue was there as well. So the bride and sue hug each other. They actually become friends. And so the bride takes off on her honeymoon and goes to Fiji without ever getting married. So weddings canceled and off. Bride goes to Fiji. And then we start to hear from the groom that the groom is coming back to sue saying, I really want to be with you now. And then at the same time, he's contacting the bride and Fiji, sending her faxes, like, let's all go to counseling. Let's work it out together. Um, then he starts pulling some really psycho stuff on sue, like going to her house and taking back her dog that he had gotten for her over a year ago, doing all kinds of things to try to get attention. And then sue came in studio with us and said, basically, it's all said and done. She had gotten the dog back, but basically that he was a tool and she wasn't going to see him anymore, and neither was the bride.
Bert (Host)
That's a lot to take in right there. One really key piece that I think we need to start to establish here is that through all this dysfunction, not so psycho sue and Fiji has really started to, like, form this bond together, because Tool's been playing them both. So, I mean, she writes. And I'm gonna read some of these. That you guys have started to become close.
Not So Psycho Sue
Yeah.
Melissa
Or so you thought.
Jeff
Yeah, Whatever she wrote. Yeah.
Bert (Host)
I mean, I saw the tweets between the two of you guys while she was in Fiji and stuff like that. And you guys have sort of like. She even said that she's got a new friend out of this whole whole thing. So up until this point, you got a new Friendship starting to form. Both women realize what's going on, and none of them want anything to do with Tool.
Melissa
And as we.
Bert (Host)
The last time we had not so psycho sued. That's where we left it all off.
Melissa
And then last we talked on the show, we were like, okay, we'll feed when she gets back into town. She's coming in studio, and we're gonna talk to her in studio too, and everything's gonna be fine. Happy ending.
Jen
There you go.
Bert (Host)
Okay. And I think that's a really key point here too, that Fiji wanted to come on and talk about this guy also. And I want to read some tweets from her that she sent me from Fiji.
Melissa
Okay.
Bert (Host)
This is the first one I got from her because I don't know who she is. And then she sends me her first tweet introducing herself to me. I'm the bride for the Psycho situation. Sue told me, you want us to come on? And I'm going to Fiji for my honeymoon, but I'm willing to come on when I get back. Okay. Another tweet from her. We listened to Sue's update, and I'm drinking one for the Burt show. Thanks for making her do this. And I can't wait to talk another tweet from her. If I send you an email with the facts that he sent me at the hotel in Fiji, would you want to read it on air? I want everyone to know what an expletive with an A and a hole he truly is.
Jeff
What can you give me? What expletive?
Jen
What was that exactly?
Bert (Host)
And Sue, I'm still trying not to reveal everybody's name. And sue does not deserve her dog being taken away from her. She's the best owner, and I know that because Tool has said it so many times. And she's honestly the sweetest girl ever and does not deserve any of this. These are all her words.
Not So Psycho Sue
Mm.
Bert (Host)
This is. This is. This is gonna get crazy in a couple minutes. Cause these are all her words. I feel like it's my fault. Sorry. I'm a few drinks in and I heard everything online, and I feel so bad that she lost her puppy. Then I sent her a tweet, I think saying, hey, go ahead and send that fax to Tracy and me, and, yeah, sure, I'll read it. Then she sends one back, saying, I sent it to Tracy just now along with a little thing about the whole situation. I hope you can read it for me and we can talk more Monday or Tuesday. So she was ready to come in studio as soon as she got Back. She was eager, says, I sent it to both of you guys and he is truly unreal. You have no idea, exclamation point. Then we exchange a couple more tweets and she says, but everything happens for a reason. And I gained a new girlfriend out of it, as weird as it sounds. So now we're establishing that this bond and these two girls are starting to get along with each other. Okay.
Jen
Kind of the happy ending part, because then the groom gets what he deserves, the women know what's going on, move on.
Bert (Host)
So at one point she tweets also that people are making her so mad she is telling the truth too much to be a lie. I swear on my family, she says, okay, so those are the pertinent tweets
Melissa
that the whole situation was truthful.
Bert (Host)
Yeah. Because, I mean, it is a little unbelievable. Like, if sue didn't show up in studio with us a couple of days ago and wasn't here today, based on everything I saw yesterday, I would have said the whole thing was made up because it's becoming so unbelievable and it's getting so mean that I like the girl. The movie. Mean Girls to me is simply a movie. People don't treat each other.
Jen
Why, why, why, why, why? Tell me. Like, I know it's like the movie, but why?
Jeff
Okay, put a sock in your narrative there.
Bert (Host)
We got a lot of ground to cover. This is gonna take us a while. I'm gonna warn you right now, Jen
Jeff
was about to call you an expletive with an A.
Bert (Host)
Alright, so everything between the two you guys up until this point is fine. So at what point does she. Is it when she's in Fiji that she starts to feel a little bit differently about your relationship with her?
Not So Psycho Sue
I don't know.
Bert (Host)
You don't know?
Not So Psycho Sue
She doesn't talk to me at all.
Bert (Host)
Okay.
Jen
Since she's been back.
Not So Psycho Sue
We talked when she got back. And then we found out that he slept with my best friend and my bake in my sorority. And I think she told you about that. And then the day after.
Jen
Not the girl that came in with you the other day? No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Melissa
I wasn't about to say.
Bert (Host)
But he targets somebody in her circle and he sleeps with her. Right. And in a girl's world, in a woman's world, that's an important person in your life.
Melissa
And recently.
Not So Psycho Sue
And the worst part is, she's married and she just had a kid. Yeah, she had a kid.
Bert (Host)
Okay, so he sleeps with her. Right.
Jeff
When did this happen?
Not So Psycho Sue
Over the week. He sent an email to you guys. I heard it on the air where he said he hooked up with someone, and then he told me that it was my best friend.
Bert (Host)
Remember, his email to us said, hey, tell both those psycho girls that I've moved on, and I found something better. In fact, I found something better on Friday night. Well, that Friday night was her big from her sorority.
Jen
Now, why do we believe him?
Not So Psycho Sue
She admitted it to me.
Commercial Voice
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Not So Psycho Sue
Yeah.
Melissa
Wow.
Not So Psycho Sue
Okay.
Katie
Wow.
Bert (Host)
All right. So then I get this email from Tool which sparks everything that happens yesterday, and the email reads like this. It says, bert show. Fiji asked me to email you guys because last night we went to dinner and talked things out and are going to therapy to work through our issues. What the. She understands that I have made mistakes and that I am dating other people right now because she decided to call off the wedding.
Jen
It's her fault.
Bert (Host)
But we do want to be married and have a life together. Fiji and I love each other, and we always have. Relationships I have had with other people have been big mistakes. We both know we are meant to be with each other, and we are getting married in the fall. The fact that I was dating someone else for two dates is not Atlanta's business. And Fiji regrets telling everyone that. I'm sorry to ruin your perfect storyline, but what we have is real and not some made for radio drama. Okay, so that one comes in, and I don't believe this dude at all, because all we know from everybody is how much of a manipulator he is.
Not So Psycho Sue
Right?
Bert (Host)
So I tweet Fiji and I say, look, I just got this email. Are you guys back together? And her first tweet back to me is there is more to it. We're going to counseling, and I feel bad for turning my back on sue, but I have to follow my heart.
Jen
Oh, geez.
Bert (Host)
Okay, that's where the first of 15 tweets come in. And they're gonna get progressively uglier and uglier and uglier throughout the day.
Jen
So he has somehow convinced her that it was only a mistake what he did. He's sorry for his mistake, and she needs to forgive him and them get back together. So he's manipulated the bride back into
Bert (Host)
a relationship somehow, some way, either as soon as she got back from Fiji or he was calling her. He turned her around. Do you know when it happened?
Not So Psycho Sue
No, I didn't even know they were going out to eat or anything.
Bert (Host)
So now they're back together, and they're strong, and they're a couple. Okay. Hey, T.C.
Katie
how's it going, okay, man, you know what? All I can say is if Fiji is going to go back with the toolbox, God bless her and her simple soul, you know, after all of this and she goes back to hell, you know, what can you say? You just throw your hands up, turn and walk away, right?
Melissa
Yeah, I'm gonna wait till Katie and I saw all these tweets last night. So when we get through it all. Katie and I had a big discussion about it.
Jeff
We and we the important stuff in
Melissa
our lives and we have a where it's fine. It's gonna. It's end up going to be because
Bert (Host)
of the karma train which we'll get into all of these tweets here that happened yesterday because it went from okay, I'm getting back with tool to really being mean to not so psycho Sue. I mean really mean stuff. I'm so bummed that this girl is really what she's turned out to be. Okay, so I'll read the tweets for you guys and you won't believe it, man. This girl that was begging to be on the radio, that was so happy that she had the wedding broken up, that she wasn't gonna be married to this guy. The girl that found a brand new friend totally turns her back on. Sue here. Totally.
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birdshow all right, so we continue with the not so Psycho Su Fiji Tool storyline. And if you haven't been listening for the last 15 minutes, that that's just. That's just too damn bad. We can't recap the whole thing. But as we sit right now, Fiji and Tool are back together again. And sue has been feeling that Fiji in a couple of seconds here, I'm gonna prove to you, is just turning her back on sue now. Also, when did you find out that the two of them were getting back together with each other?
Not So Psycho Sue
Five minutes before Tracy called me to tell me that he had emailed you guys.
Bert (Host)
And who told you that they were getting back together?
Not So Psycho Sue
The same groomsmen who convinced me to go to the rehearsal.
Bert (Host)
So is this Groomsman and Tool? Are they still friends or no? Yeah, I wouldn't think. All right, before I get to the tweets, here are some people calling up that are rallying around you. Good morning, Q100.
Caller 1
Hey, I just wanted to tell sue to keep her head up and don't let that jerk control her and what he says shouldn't matter to her. And there's somebody out there that will love her for who she is and take her.
Jen
Absolutely.
Bert (Host)
Thanks for calling. Here's Tiffany. Good Morning. You're on Q100.
Caller 1
Hey, good morning. Love you guys.
Jeff
Thank you.
Caller 1
I wanted to call to tell not so Psycho Sue. Don't feel defeated. The whole purpose of the plan has already been accomplished. You never was going into the plan to gain a friend, so I think that was just an added bonus. But the fact that Fiji was on this emotional high after she found out all the news, it kind of made like the. This pretend bond between you guys. She was never your friend. So now that she's vulnerable and she realizes she's not as strong as you, she's, you know, of course, falling back into the typical, you know, she's going back with tools. So don't feel defeated about it. I think they belong together. And she'll find out later on that she made the biggest mistake of her life.
Melissa
Yeah, well, I mean, what Katie and I. Katie and I feel like you've served your purpose, because the thing is that we're not. Nobody's commented on the fact of the intervention. If you do something stupid in your relationship and if you are the stupid person in your relationship and you do it privately and it's just between you and the person you're dating, then that's one thing. But the whole family now knows. The whole family was involved. And the fact that she is going back to him and they plan on getting married, guess whose support they don't have? They don't have the family support. I mean, according to the intervention that you were telling us about. So Katie and I are like, they deserve each other and it's going to be fine. And they're going to create their own misery because sister and mom and grandma, dad and dad, they're not in on this. You know, like, they're not into this. And so she's going back even after all that, then, then she's. She's digging her own grave.
Bert (Host)
Did the former groom give you any kind of insight? Like, if the family is supporting this, like they're cool with it or not?
Not So Psycho Sue
Like, I haven't talked to the groom. Her family's not supportive of it at all.
Melissa
So that's that. Yeah. So then that she's gonna have a hard time and she's gonna be miserable. Yeah, perfect. Let her be.
Bert (Host)
All right, so let's go through some of these, these tweets from yesterday. Okay. Because now Fiji is going to start showing her character. Because up until this point, I mean, we got a bond forming between sue and Fiji. And up until this point, Fiji sees this tool for really what he is, and she's ready to come on the radio and she's ready to go off on the dude also. Alright, so after I get that email from Tool saying that they're back together, I didn't believe it. I'm like, no way, dude, you're tool. And I've seen the way manipulating everybody. So I'm gonna go right to Fiji. So my tweet to her says, just got an Email from Tool saying you guys are back together. Counseling can't be true, right? And that she writes back, there is more to it. We are going to counseling. And I feel bad for turning my back on sue, but I have to follow my heart. She also, in another tweet, says, they had their chance and I'm glad she pointed things out to me and I will always be grateful for that. But I love him.
Jen
Oh, geez.
Bert (Host)
Even though he has a lot to change and he knows that.
Melissa
Even though he has a lot to
Jeff
change and he knows that the visual of Jen hobby right now. Cause she's. I don't know, what is that?
Jen
She's got my entertainment weekend.
Jeff
She's got some tabloid that's like filled with celebrity pictures and she's listening to you while flipping through it. And she goes, oh, geez. She gets to the page like the old woman at the, you know, at
Jen
the, at the nail salon.
Jeff
Yeah, at the nail salon. Who's just waiting for her nails to dry. Oh, come on, Come on. Gossiping.
Bert (Host)
Alright, so those are three tweets that sort of ran onto each other. So I write back because I'm still not believing what I'm reading here, right? So I tweet back, so you guys are back together. And she writes, we are not back together. We are going to counseling and taking steps towards solving our issues.
Jen
And the issue is that you're with an idiot.
Melissa
They're solving those, Jen. Well, it sounds like they. I don't know, sounds like they both are.
Bert (Host)
So at this point I'm. I'm sort of retweeting what she's writing also. And there's like this soap opera going online right now on Twitter, on, you know, on my account. And people are starting to question the whole thing. And frankly, I'm starting to question it also. It just seems too unbelievable, right? So I write, you're making this up, right? She writes back, why would I make this up? This is not our problem. That someone else brought a whole city into our relationship. Leave us alone. She writes. So I respond back, I guess you don't remember emailing us, sending us a copy of his fax and telling me, you want to come in studio? She writes, I made a huge mistake when I did that, but I'm not the crazy one who came to you in the first place.
Melissa
Oh, calling crazy again.
Bert (Host)
Okay, so I responded back in capital letters. Now sue is crazy again. She says she is crazy because she got the whole city in on it. It should have just been between the three of us. And I wrote back last week. You were thanking her, right? And she writes back, and I'm still thanking her because she helped us see what our issues are.
Melissa
Oh, Lord.
Katie
Come on.
Melissa
She got manipulated.
Jen
Crazy. I wonder if she's hearing this back, realizing how stupid she sounds.
Melissa
Of course not. She's probably. Yeah, no.
Not So Psycho Sue
Okay.
Jeff
No.
Bert (Host)
Why don't you let her talk for herself? She writes she wanted to go on your show. Why don't you just call her her real name? And I wrote, same reason I haven't said your name. Protection. She tweets. And for everyone saying I have self esteem issues. And I'm jealous I did not gain 20 pounds since the breakup. Pathetic. So did you put some weight on after the. After the breakup?
Not So Psycho Sue
Yeah.
Bert (Host)
So that's what she's referring to.
Jen
That's just rude. Just rude.
Bert (Host)
And at some point, you know, we were tweeting back and forth with each other, and I just said, you know, I'm done.
Melissa
And that's rude. You can tell when a woman who is so into a guy is all she's doing is regurgitating something that he's told her, you know, because that sounds like something Tool said and that she's just. She's just, you know, repeating it.
Caller 1
She.
Jen
Well, as soon as somebody feels attacked, they're gonna lash out with like, whatever stupid thing they possibly can. So that's like. Yeah. She's like, I'm just gonna be mean. Cause you're attacking me.
Bert (Host)
Hey, Nicole, good morning. You're on Q100.
Caller 1
Good morning, bird show.
Jeff
Hello.
Katie
I've been listening to this since last week.
Not So Psycho Sue
Mm.
Caller 1
And I thought my own personal life had a lot of drama, but I don't feel as bad now. But seriously, so you're gonna look back at this about 15 years from now and just laugh?
Melissa
Yes, absolutely.
Caller 1
Girl, she's got her own issues. And this guy, he does too. So just let them just have their
Katie
issues together and just move on. It's just not worth it.
Bert (Host)
Now, let me read you just. The email that I got, might have been sent last night, might have been sent this morning, says, I really believe all of you need to grow up.
Katie
Really?
Melissa
Isn't that what Tool told us? Yeah.
Bert (Host)
Again, mimicking, I do not care what was sent to you guys. We're going to start with a clean plate and move forward. Sue knew what she was doing when she showed up at my rehearsal dinner, and that was to ruin my day and make the day about her. She most likely wants Tool back and will do anything to get attention from him. I'M not jealous of her at all. I just feel bad because she gained so much weight since Thanksgiving. What a little ass.
Melissa
Who's pathetic? Fiji?
Bert (Host)
Let me read the whole sentence here. Cause she's just. This is where I almost started to believe again that this is fake because I didn't think people were this mean. Like, this just happens in movies and stuff. I just feel bad because she gained so much weight since Thanksgiving. She will be huge by the next one.
Jeff
Oh, my God.
Katie
Oh, my God.
Bert (Host)
What the hell?
Jeff
That is an awesome line out of a John Hughes film.
Bert (Host)
That's just so mean, man.
Melissa
You're sitting right here, Jeff.
Katie
Well,
Bert (Host)
please leave us alone and let us be happy. After dinner last night, I finally saw what was going on. You guys are awful people to let someone ruin our relationship.
Melissa
They deserve each other. They deserve each other. My feeling is, you know what, Sue? Don't feel bad about this at all. They deserve each other because here, Fiji had the opportunity to leave. She had the opportunity for everybody in her life to show her what is going on and who she is about to marry. She had the choice. There was the fork in the road. Either you leave or you stay. And she's chosen to stay. So let her stay. Let them be together. Let them be miserable together. Let her. Because the thing is that Fiji doesn't understand is that when he cheats on her and when he, you know, he's going out behind her back and doing stuff behind her back and calling her fat and calling her these things, and then she has nobody to complain to.
Commercial Announcer
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Melissa
Because everybody in her life is gonna be like, don't wanna hear it. You had your shot. So she's on her own. Let her be on her own. They deserve each other. I'm fine with that.
Bert (Host)
Do any of those words make sense to you or are you just too hurt right now to even relate?
Not So Psycho Sue
It makes. Been hearing it for the last day from all my friends and my family.
Bert (Host)
You got a good support system around you.
Not So Psycho Sue
Can I do.
Jen
Can I get away from all of this? Like, how connected are you to these people? Can you completely cut them out of your life?
Jeff
Yeah, or start drinking.
Not So Psycho Sue
They don't really say. I mean, she's saying stuff to you guys. The people who have been attacking me the most. Are the listeners attacking you? Yeah, I got the listeners. A lot of people added me on Facebook, I guess. Cause you could find me through her Twitter.
Bert (Host)
Okay.
Not So Psycho Sue
And somehow a bunch of people added me. And I got a phone call and Tracy had called me right after the phone call. And I just Broke down because they were calling me a psycho and saying I needed to get an Academy Award for my performance and all that. And then a lot of my friends went on your fan page, I guess, were defending me.
Bert (Host)
Yeah. And I started to defend you yesterday also. I'm like, let me be clear here. Sue's done nothing wrong.
Not So Psycho Sue
Yeah. And then on some. Some people on Twitter, you know, have been saying it's not true and stuff, and they don't know that it's me. They don't know who I am yet. But I think she's adding people on her Twitter now, accepting people, so you can figure it out through the conversations. So people have started adding me, too.
Bert (Host)
Yeah. And I understand what your listeners were. I understand this part that people are like, this is. This can't be true. I don't understand how people have been attacking you.
Not So Psycho Sue
Yeah.
Bert (Host)
I'm sorry for that.
Not So Psycho Sue
Oh, it's fine.
Melissa
Well, yeah, I don't know.
Jen
It's not like you going to the wedding. You didn't say anything that wasn't true. You just told her, here's the situation. Here's the information I have. Here's what he's been doing with both of us. You didn't say, don't get married. She's the one who decided not to have the wedding.
Melissa
And what adds legitimacy again is her family being on your. Her sister waiting on you and telling you, come in and let's talk about this. Because obviously Fiji's family is against it. So, I mean, yeah, fine, let him be. And this is like Antichrist drama, dating Antichrist. When we talk about that, this is what we're talking about. And so this is your dating Antichrist. At least you've gotten through it. And now you can move on to nice guys, because they are out there. Despite what the media shows, there are nice guys out there.
Bert (Host)
So very psycho. Fiji hits it, slaps us with one more insult this morning.
Katie
Right?
Melissa
Yeah, she tweeted this morning. Oh, no.
Jen
A lot of my co workers are Burt show listeners.
Melissa
The head of my grade called me in to talk about it.
Not So Psycho Sue
Thanks so much.
Melissa
Psycho B. Oh, no. Just.
Not So Psycho Sue
Yeah.
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Wow.
Melissa
Really bad.
Bert (Host)
Sorry, Mean girl.
Jen
Really bad.
Melissa
But now we know what she does for a living.
Bert (Host)
Hey, Brittany. Good Morning. You're on Q100.
Caller 1
Yeah. Can I have the voice disguiser?
Bert (Host)
Oh, disguiser, Please. There you go.
Katie
Thank you. I wanted to tell CG to run for her life. Like, I don't know, is she listening this morning? But she needs to run and to sue. Just leave it be. Like, I was with a guy that manipulated me. And if his ex girlfriend would have told me not to get with him, that he is crazy, I would have totally done the same thing. And, you know, I was getting all the hate mail when I stayed with him after something way worse than just cheating. And I stayed with him almost two years after that. And that was the biggest mistake of my life. So I just wanted to tell you, sue, that. But don't worry about it. And, yeah, it hurts, but you're gonna get over it. And a better man will come into your life.
Bert (Host)
You believe that, right?
Not So Psycho Sue
Yeah.
Bert (Host)
Yeah, for sure.
Not So Psycho Sue
Hopefully.
Bert (Host)
You should be thanking your lucky stars that you're not in a relationship with this guy. And it didn't progress to a point of, like, you marrying him.
Jen
Yeah.
Melissa
And it's over, you know, so you can move on cleanly. Your conscience can be clean.
Caller 1
Just.
Melissa
Yeah, go, you know.
Not So Psycho Sue
Yeah.
Bert (Host)
And you're brave to come in this morning, so thanks for doing that, too, and giving us a closure on that.
Melissa
Yeah.
Jen
Thank you.
Bert (Host)
And I am absolutely sure she's gonna take more shots at you today. So just be prepared for it. It's not over for her yet. Cause now all of her friends are gonna tell her what they heard today on the radio. And she's gonna be more angry today. But the truth is, she has to take a look in the mirror today and realize how mean she's been.
Melissa
She won't. I mean, she had her chance to leave. She didn't leave. Let her.
Bert (Host)
And she could have handled, you know what. And she could have handled it with way more grace if she got back and handled it with some kind of grace and some sensitivity on your part. Like, called you up and said, look, I know this is gonna sound awful, but this is what I gotta follow my heart. None of this could have. All of this could have been avoided, but she decided to take the mean girl route on the whole thing.
Not So Psycho Sue
Yeah. I mean, she could have called me. I don't want him back. It wouldn't have been anything like that. But she's. I haven't said anything mean about her, so there's no reason for her to say anything mean about me back today. We just need to not talk anymore.
Bert (Host)
Right? It's over.
Not So Psycho Sue
Yeah. Okay.
Melissa
All right.
Katie
All right.
Jen
Good luck.
Melissa
Good riddance to them
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