Full Show PT 2: Friday, November 7 [Vault]

Summary

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The Bert Show – Full Show PT 2: Friday, November 7 [Vault]

Date: November 7, 2025
Cast: Bert, Kristin, Abby, Cassie, Tommy, and others
[Transcript Timestamps Referenced in Summary Below]

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Episode Overview

This episode of The Bert Show delivers its trademark mix of humor, real-life listener dilemmas, and deeply personal discussion, all with a confident, relatable, and irreverent style. Key themes this morning include dealing with adult grudges and perceived slights, navigating tricky romantic reunions (even if someone’s married!), and the eternal mysteries of dating confidence. The hosts field listener calls, run through awkward real-life encounters, and even test popular dating advice from men’s magazines—providing entertainment and insight for anyone seeking to make sense of adult relationships, both friendly and romantic.

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Segment 1: Should I Challenge My Frenemy to a Fight?

[01:04–14:19]

The Dilemma

Stephen, a 34-year-old man, writes in with an increasingly rare adult problem: the urge to physically fight another grown man due to ongoing social friction. He feels continually embarrassed and poked at by a frenemy in shared social circles and upcoming work situations, culminating in anxiety over an event where he'll need to present an award in the nemesis’s presence.

Stephen:

"I'm a 34-year-old man and there's another adult male I dislike so much. I'm actually thinking about fighting this guy... I really think about clobbering this guy." (02:29)

Details Unpacked

• Backstory: Years of simmering tension. Stephen once broke a table (accidentally), apologized and paid for it, but the other man made a big deal about it and badmouthed him for being “too much of a jerk." Attempts at talking it out failed; Stephen feels perpetually “set up” to be the butt of jokes.
• Event Tonight: Stephen is presenting an award, the guy's rumored to MC. Stephen fears public embarrassment and is so anxious he dry-heaved in the morning.
• Home Life: His wife is gentle, tells him to avoid the event if it’s so stressful, which only makes him feel worse.

  "She tries to talk to me. Honey, it's okay... but then that makes me feel bad, like I'm depriving us of being able to do something fun..." (05:33)

• Fight "Preparation": Stephen admits to hitting the heavy bag in his garage to get ready, jokingly referencing action movies.
• Frequency of Contact: About once a month, but will likely work with him more in the future.

Host Panel: Should Stephen Fight?

• Advice Ranges from Absurd to Sincere:

  • "Just go ahead and beat the hell out of him. Walk in, hit him, say you lost, then go home and make love to your wife." (09:24)
  • "Remember, don't punch your wife and make love to your enemy."
    (Host, 09:52)
  • Take off the necktie before any fight: "They can grab you and pull you in with it!" (11:21)
  • Most believe a fistfight won't happen, but expect a heated confrontation.

• Stephen's Fantasy:

  • Host Jeff encourages him to have a "cheesy Steven Seagal line" ready.
  • Stephen, practicing: "I got your award, punk, and it's me kicking your ass. Then I’m gonna go home and make love to my wife." (14:00–14:14)

Notable Quotes

• "In an average 30-day period, how many times will you see him?"
  "Maybe once, but I'm going to be working with him now..." (06:02)
• "I woke up this morning... I dry heaved because I was so nervous about this tonight." (07:03)

MEMORABLE MOMENT:
Stephen agrees to call back Monday morning with an update, leaving everyone wondering how much drama will really go down.

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Segment 2: Phil’s Vacation in Mexico & “The Gay Georgia G”

[16:12–21:41]

Phil Returns from Vacation

• Phil shares tales from his all-inclusive trip to Barcelo, Maya Beach, south of Cancun. He jokes, "I hate America right now. This is the last place I want to be." (16:23)
• He describes consuming copious pina coladas and rum, “I think I drank my weight in pina coladas and rum all weekend.”
• Bit of comic misunderstanding: the Georgia "G" tattoo on his shoulder led Mexican resort workers to think he was signaling homosexuality (unbeknownst to him, the symbol apparently had that meaning in local culture). Phil retells awkward, funny exchanges, exaggerating:

  "Apparently... when they would go out in public to pronounce their homosexuality, they would paint a G on their shoulder." (19:11)

• The hosts riff: “So you’re a gay soccer player now?” (20:05)

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Segment 3: Bar Experiments – Can You "Pull" a Girl from Her Group?

[20:05–31:44]

Testing “Askmen.com” Pickup Advice

• Phil is given a mission by “men’s magazines”: approach and “pull” a woman away from her group, then get her number, following a rigid set of rules (buy her a drink, avoid the 'mother hen,' act with supreme confidence).
  • "The rule is confidence, confidence, confidence. That is all it takes." (23:36)
• Phil recaps three attempts:
  • First Attempt: Uses a drink but gets, “My girlfriend over there wouldn’t be happy if I gave you my number.” (26:20)
    • Team debates whether this was code for rejection, or a literal same-sex relationship.
  • Second Attempt: Woman says she just got out of a relationship, not looking for anything.
  • Third Attempt: Not drinking, Phil abandons the rules, directly asks for number. She says, “I have a boyfriend,” even when he presses further.

Reflections

• The team concludes the real challenge isn’t the approach, but what happens once you’re alone with her.
• “I got the girl away from her flock…But couldn't get one phone number.” (30:23)
• Kristin: “The conclusion is that girls need to go out in smaller numbers if they want to hook up.” (31:38)

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Segment 4: Drama Replay—“Mia and Ryan: Soulmates or Disaster?”

[33:53–47:36]

The Situation

• Mia’s Call: She’s torn about reuniting with her ex, “Ryan,” who is now married. They were together religiously after college. His work kept sending him out of town, eroding their relationship.
• Mia went on a single date to prove a point; Ryan found out and instantly cut her off, vowing never to speak to her again. That was three years ago.
• Current Development: Ryan (“not his real name”) suddenly calls. He’s married, but says he thinks about Mia every day, and asks to meet during a business trip—insists on breakfast (no alcohol) to “be responsible.” Mia is simultaneously ecstatic and tormented.
  • "Every morning when I wake up, I think about him. When I go to sleep, I dream about him. I have been Googling him, finding out what's going on with his work, kind of keeping tabs on him." (34:53)

Host Discussion & Listener Advice

• The hosts debate whether Mia should go, but all agree she’s already made her mind up.
• Host: "You're not asking us whether or not you should go, because you're going. I can hear it in your voice." (40:32)
• Ethical implications dissected: is it wrong to disrupt a marriage for “closure?”
  Host: "If he made a mistake in getting married because someone else is the love of his life, then he has an obligation to address that issue. However... he did take vows..." (43:38)
• Mia admits to knowing a lot about Ryan’s current life: his wife’s job, address, even checking his MySpace daily.

  Host: "How often do you look at [his MySpace page]?"
  Mia: "Every day." (47:00)

Notable Quotes

• "Would you agree to closure if he says he loves his wife and wants to move on?"
  Mia: "I guess I'll have to... but I just want him to know how much I love him, regardless of what’ll happen." (44:59)
• "I will love him forever. I mean, you know, just because our circumstances have kept us apart..." (45:18)

MEMORABLE MOMENT:
Mia’s depth of attachment is simultaneously romantic and unsettling—her tracking of his online life borders on obsession, adding a dramatic edge.

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Best Quotes & Funniest Exchanges

• "Remember, do not punch your wife and make love to your enemy." (09:52)
• "I got your award, punk, and it's me kicking your ass. Then I'm gonna go home and make love to my wife." (14:00–14:14)
• "Apparently...when they would go out in public to pronounce their homosexuality, they would paint a G on their shoulder." (19:11)
• "So you're a gay soccer player now." (20:05)
• Mia: "I have been Googling him... finding out what's going on... I know pretty much the vicinity, the street, where he lives." (46:38)
• Host: "How often do you look at it [his MySpace page]?"
  Mia: "Every day." (47:02)

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Segment Timestamps at a Glance

| Topic | Start-End (MM:SS) | |---------------------------------------------|-------------------| | Stephen's Fight Dilemma | 01:04–14:19 | | Phil’s Mexico Recap & Georgia G Story | 16:12–21:41 | | Bar “Pickup” Challenge Debrief | 21:41–31:44 | | “Mia & Ryan”—Listener Romance Drama Replay | 33:53–47:36 |

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Overall Tone & Takeaways

The Bert Show is at its best here: blending earnestness, quick wit, and raw vulnerability while riffing on love, rivalry, jealousy, and self-confidence. Whether it’s comedic mock-brawls, on-air therapy for the lovelorn, or skewering men’s magazine wisdom, the hosts keep things lively and authentic.

Listeners walk away with plenty to laugh at—but also provocative questions to mull over about pride, forgiveness, and what we’re really willing to risk for love or dignity.

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Transcript

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[A]

The.

[C]

Birch Show Hey, I don't even know what your name is.

[A]

Steve.

[D]

Yeah, Steve. How you doing?

[C]

Ready to kick some ass, huh?

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Okay, I'm gonna. I am going. Give me a second here because I want to read your email. Tracy forwarded this to me, so hold on a second because I gotta pull.

[A]

It up.

[C]

And when did you send this to her?

[D]

I don't know. I guess maybe three days ago. Two or three days ago.

[C]

So random. But here's the email. My name is Stephen. I don't know if you're the correct person this went to. Tracy, I don't know if you're the correct person to get in touch with, but I have a situation going on in my life that I could use some other perspective on. I'm a 34 year old man and there's another adult male I dislike so much. I'm actually thinking about fighting this guy. I haven't been in a fight in years. Like. Like since I was a kid. Anyway. This guy gets me so angry. We occasionally work together, sort of. We sometimes interact at the same social events and we have a mutual friend or two. Nobody especially close to either of us. But I know we do know some of the same people. Anyway, I really think about clobbering this guy. I think he wants to fight too. I'm curious, do people still arrange fights like back in the school days? There's my cell phone. I'd love to hear what the Bird show says and what the listeners think and then get their advice. So, hell, maybe we'll even get the guy on the air and see why he's a jerk to me all the time. So, Stephen.

[D]

Yes.

[C]

You're 34, dude.

[D]

I would say I am 34. I don't think he would be awake right now.

[E]

What?

[F]

Well, I want to know what. Yeah, what. What things have happened.

[C]

Tell us about your interactions with him.

[F]

Yeah. What things have happened to cause you to decide, you know, what, you know. Backyard, two o' clock this afternoon.

[C]

I'm going to give him a fat lip.

[F]

Yeah.

[D]

Let me. Let me say, first of all, I feel kind of ridiculous that this has even kind of come up.

[C]

Okay.

[D]

Like a couple of years ago, this guy, like I said, we sort of move in the same social circles, and one time we were at the same place and I accidentally broke a table. We're, like, roughhousing, just being guys, being stupid. And he made this really big deal about it. It wasn't his table or anything like that, but I felt bad. I paid for the table and. And then all this stuff came out where he, you know, he thought I was too much of a jerk, and I was really loud, and I was embarrassed. So I guess there's always been sort of bad blood. And we've tried to talk it out more than once, but I can just feel like he just gets me angry. I can't. I can't even describe it. And tonight, actually, I'm supposed to present this award at this event. And I don't want to give away too many details. Basically, I'm supposed to present this award in an event, and I've heard that he's going to be there, and he's just the kind of guy that's going to make me look bad. He's the kind of guy who's going to have some kind of flippant comment to say or embarrass me in public. He's just that kind of guy. He's that guy that jokes around a lot but doesn't know quite when to stop. And for some reason, it really bothers me. No matter what my wife tells me, I just get so mad, and I feel like. I feel like a fool kind of. But part of me just wants to go, you know what? Let's just. Let's just have it out and fight. And I know that sounds really dumb, but I really want to do it. I really feel like I want to do it.

[F]

All right, let me add two questions. One, quickly Is it a black tie event?

[D]

No. I mean, people will be dressed up, but it won't be like tuxedos.

[F]

But it's suits and stuff.

[E]

Yeah. You'll be wearing a suit. Yeah.

[F]

You have a tie on, right?

[D]

Yeah, I'll have a tie on.

[C]

So you have to loosen the tie before you go after.

[G]

No, take it off.

[D]

Someone hold my jacket.

[E]

Take off the tie because they can grab it and pull you in with it.

[C]

Roll up your sleeves.

[E]

Yeah. So here's my question. You think you can take him?

[D]

Okay, this is a little embarrassing, too. In. In Prepper, I have, like, a heavy bag. Like the kind boxers hit in my pain. You have prepared for this just like most people who buy workout equipment. I bought this thing a long time ago. Actually, my wife bought it for me and I've rarely used it lately. I've been using it every day.

[E]

So you are. You're warmed up, you're ready to go. You got your right hook ready?

[G]

All right.

[C]

Now, my son, he's in the meat locker. He's, you know, he's worked out a deal with, you know, whatever the butcher is in town. He's punching the.

[E]

He's running the stairs at the capitol downtown. Right.

[F]

And my second question was, what does your wife say? I want to know about the conversation you've had with your wife about this.

[D]

My wife, she's so nice, and she is so. She's borderline corny. That's how kind of like nice and white bread my wife is. And she can't even. This is so far out of the realm of her world that she thinks. I think she thinks I'm kidding. When I go, I just get so mad. And she tries to talk to me. Honey, it's okay. You know, we don't have to go to this party if you think he's going to be there. But then that makes me feel bad again. Like I'm depriving us of being able to do something fun because of sort of my hangups with this guy or his hang ups.

[C]

In an average 30 day period, how many times will you see him at.

[D]

Any, anywhere, 30 day period? I'll see him at least. Maybe I'll see him once. But I work. I kind of work in real estate, and so it looks like I'm going to be working with a company that he works for. So I'm probably going to see him more, which is kind of how this has all come up. And me presenting the award tonight is part of me sort of getting integrated with this company that he works for now.

[F]

Let me ask you this.

[E]

You're presenting this award. Is there a possibility that he might actually win this award and you will have to hand it off to him?

[D]

No, no, I would have to. I'm part Japanese, so I would have to put a sword in my gut if that was the case. But no, I'm.

[F]

Well, if you're Japanese, I mean, do you really need the punching bag? Because you get some of those, you.

[E]

Know, judo tag, retro thrones on Crouching.

[D]

Tiger, Hidden dragging him a long time ago.

[E]

So it's a little jujitsu action in there.

[A]

Hold on.

[D]

I'm not gonna present it to him, but he might be one of the MCs, which is why I'm so worried he's the kind of guy, like that's gonna say something about me and embarrass me or I just, you know, my stomach. Like, I woke up this morning and this is embarrassing. I dry heaved because I was so nervous about this tonight.

[E]

What I wanna know is, you've obviously played this out in your mind a hundred times. How do you see this playing, playing out tonight? Like, chronological order of what's going to happen when you're going to challenge him to the duel, how it's all going to go down?

[D]

I'm. I'm going to try to give him the benefit. The duel. I'm going to try to give him the benefit of the doubt. I figure I'm just going to kind of let the evening go. If I see him, I'll say, hello, our wives are friends. Which makes it kind of weird too. But I'm just going to say hello. But if he does something, I mean, even if he, if he like says something on the microphone just to embarrass me, I'm gonna confront him. I am, I'm just gonna basically get in his face and say, you know, how do you want to solve this? You can either knock it off, we can sit down and talk, or we can go take care of it outside. I've heard, and again, this is like through friends of friends that he kind of talked bad about me behind my back. And he says, you know, if we did get into some kind of fight, I would probably have friends help me because I would need to help. And all this kind of.

[C]

Oh, no, he doesn't know you have a heavy bag right.

[G]

Now.

[F]

What made you dry heave this morning?

[G]

Exactly.

[D]

Last night I went to sleep and I was just wiped out. I had worked until like 10:30 or 11 at night, but driving home, that's all I could think about was, you know, tomorrow I'm gonna have to be there on stage, and I get nervous in public as it is, and I just know he's gonna embarrass me. And it's just one of those. I can't. Jeff can understand. It's just one of those things where some guys just get to you. They just get to you. And as. Maybe as a guy, I just feel sort of the need to get aggressive. I don't. Like I said, I haven't been in a fight since I was a kid where I probably just pushed the guy and he pushed me back. And we, you know, rolled around in the dirt and cried about it. But I just really feel like I want to hit him or I just want to get it done. I guess I think, like, a fight would somehow settle it, which sounds sort of dumb and juvenile, but I really feel like that might be the only way to sort of.

[C]

Hey, David.

[D]

Yes.

[C]

Hey, go ahead. You're on with.

[D]

Look, do this, man. Just go ahead and beat the hell out of him.

[C]

And then what?

[D]

Just walk. Here's what you do. You walk in, you hit him about three times and say you lost, and then go home and make love to your wife. You get the best sex of your life, baby.

[A]

I'm telling you, walking in, bam, bam, I'm out of here.

[D]

I gotta go make love.

[E]

And it will be the best sex ever.

[D]

Now, me hanging off the ceiling going, that's my man.

[C]

Now, Stephen, just to clarify, because I don't want you to get confused, do not punch your wife and make love to your enemy. Okay? What you want?

[F]

Jeff says sometimes.

[D]

Jeff, I'm writing this down. Can you slow down?

[E]

Make love to the guy. Punch the life. No, wrong again.

[C]

What time is this ceremony taking place this evening?

[D]

It's actually kind of late. I'll probably do my thing. Like 10, 10:30?

[C]

It's fairly late. Okay, well, I think we should go.

[E]

Around the room and make predictions or, like, give him, like, our final little bit of advice, like, fight or don't fight. All around the room before. Before he goes.

[C]

I don't think there's going to be a fight. I don't think.

[F]

Are we saying what we predict is going to happen or what he.

[G]

I think.

[C]

I think the guy says something over the microphone, and I think you confront him and it's a big, heated confrontation, but I don't think there's ever any significant physical contact. But if there comes to be, always go with scissors first.

[G]

What?

[C]

Rock, paper, scissors. Every fight starts not Literal scissors. But stab him in the neck.

[F]

Cut his tie.

[A]

That'll, you know, what you need to.

[C]

Do is put a flower in your lapel that squirts fake ink.

[F]

And the buzzer in the hand.

[G]

When you shake his hand.

[C]

Oh, got you. Whoopee cushion.

[E]

I think that he's just angry enough to. To where if something is said, Steven's going to say, all right, dude, I've had it. Let's step outside.

[C]

When you.

[E]

And everybody's going to file out there and, you know, maybe one, like, high.

[G]

School.

[E]

And there'd be a big crowd, and you're going to, like, throw one punch. But just remember, please take off your necktie first, because that is a good weapon. They grab you by. They pull you in with it. But if he's wearing his, you can do that to him.

[C]

When you're hitting the heavy bag in your garage, do you think of him?

[D]

Yeah, I'm gonna try to sugarcoat it. Yeah.

[C]

Melissa, what's your.

[F]

Have you drawn a face on this bag?

[D]

I haven't drawn his face, but I put an X where his face would be because he's shorter than I am.

[F]

See? Measured it up.

[E]

It's gonna be a brawl. I can feel it.

[F]

Steven, I don't think that something has to happen. Like, I don't. I think you're beyond the point. I think a fight's going to happen. I think you are going to black out, and then when you wake up, everybody's going to be looking at you like, oh, my God. And then the dude's going to be a bloody mess on the floor. And then, yeah, you'll walk out.

[C]

You're going to have a lapse in memory, and you're going to kill him.

[F]

But you'll walk out slow. You'll grab your woman's hand, you'll take her home, and you know you'll make it.

[E]

Throw your coat back over your shoulder, walk out there with a swagger.

[F]

Adrian.

[D]

Yo, Adrian.

[F]

And then the credits will roll, and there'll be a sequel next week.

[A]

I think you show up so mad and so ready to do this. I think he's gonna see how. That you're so angry that you would kick his ass, and he's gonna back himself out of it, and he's gonna talk out of it, and he sounds like he has a big mouth. He's gonna talk his way out of it, and you're gonna end up hugging it out. He's gonna be like, dude, come on, buddy. We're buddy. Let's hug it out. Come on, let's hug it out. And he's gonna see how mad you are.

[E]

He's too mad for that. I think you're too mad for that. And I'm. I'm with Melissa and Jamie. I think you're fighting. I think. I think you're gonna. I think you're gonna throw down somehow, some way. And I don't even know that it'll make it outside because I think at this awards ceremony, you guys are going to have some stuff to drink. The wives are going to be talking. He's going to say some smarmy comment that's going to just irk you and rub you the wrong way. And I think that. I think the shoves and the first punches are going to be thrown right there over the table. I mean, right there, right next to the table. I don't think you make it outside.

[F]

All right, Stephen, Jeff, I want to ask your advice on this because, Steven, since, you know, most of us think you're going to fight, you have to have some cheesy Steven Seagal line when you're done kicking his ass. So, Jeff, what should Steven say once dude's on the ground?

[A]

Oh, here's your award. Me kicking your ass.

[C]

And now I gotta go make love to my wife.

[E]

I like it. I like it. Write that down.

[G]

Are you writing that down?

[D]

I'm writing that down.

[E]

You gotta practice the line now. You gotta practice it on us. Cause you've thought through the rest of this fight. You gotta think through the end of it. With Phil's line.

[G]

Yep.

[C]

Phil, turn up the music. Stephen, let's hear your line.

[D]

I got your award, punk, and it's me kicking your ass.

[E]

Come on, baby.

[C]

Then I'm gonna go home and make.

[A]

Love to my wife.

[F]

There you go, Steven.

[C]

We will talk to you on Monday morning.

[D]

All right, guys, have a great weekend.

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[H]

Phil Serena is back from vacation.

[A]

Hola, mi amigos.

[H]

Como stas?

[A]

No es no bien.

[H]

No bien.

[A]

No bueno.

[H]

We're covering a lot of ground with Phil today on his vacation in Mexico.

[A]

Oh, it's excellent. I hate America right now. This is the last place I want to be.

[H]

Where in Mexico did you go?

[A]

Place called Barcelo, Maya Beach. It was about an hour south of Cancun, about 20 minutes south of a little town called Playa de Carmen. And we did the whole resort package, the whole all inclusive. And if you ever go down to Mexico or, you know, go to the Caribbean, that's the way to go. Just pay one price right there. We got our money's worth. We got our money back in airfare and hotel alone. And then, you know, all inclusive. You get food and drinks involved as well. So, I mean, I think I drank my weight and pina coladas and rum all weekend.

[H]

They were like, we got to get this gringo out of here. We're so going to be out of business next week.

[A]

What does gringo mean?

[H]

Kind of like white dude.

[A]

Oh, is that it?

[H]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay, good. Because a couple people called me gringo because I was like, hey, thank you. You know, I don't know, to hit you or to shake your hand.

[F]

Started chest butting him, like, what are you talking about?

[E]

Huh?

[F]

You want some of this American stuff, huh?

[C]

No.

[A]

Bring it. Do you want to. Can I tell you a quick story now? Sure. Okay. You'll like this So I don't know if y' all have noticed, I'm a big Georgia Bulldogs fan. And I even describe. Describe exactly what that looks like on my shoulder.

[E]

It's the Georgia G, Right?

[A]

And describe there's. It's. It's the black circle G. Yeah. And then all Georgia fan knows. And then there's a red circle that goes around. A little bitty red circle that goes around it. So we get down to Mexico, and it's our first day out in the water or just out in the pool, up playing around. And I'm wearing it. No, I didn't go shirtless. And you're still not going shirtless. I couldn't do it, really, because you know what? I stopped because after I took the pictures, I kind of started drinking again. I haven't been training as hard as I wanted to, and I'm still just not as comfortable as I want to be with my body. But, I mean, I had. I was comfortable enough with myself anyway. I wasn't shirtless, but I had, like. It wasn't, like a redneck, you know, tank top on with pit stains or anything, but it did have. I did have, like, a muscle tee on the whole weekend.

[E]

And I wasn't your k. Fed wife beater.

[A]

No, that one. I've left it here.

[F]

Too many cigarette holes.

[A]

Yeah. And so we get down there, and I had a sleeveless shirt on, and I'm walking around, and I'm noticing the first thing that happens as we're at the pool. You know, a lot of the. The workers. You know, any of these resorts have thousands of employees, and they're all walking up, you know, do you need anything? Do you need a drink? Can I get you anything? Do you need directions around? Welcome. Everyone's being real friendly. However, I also noticed that the only people being overly friendly are the guys. So I'm like, no, I'm fine. There's a group of us. There's like 10 of us there. So we're walking around, and people are asking me, asking me, what can I get you? What can I get you? Hola, amigo. Como tiames. And I'm like, marcos, what the hell's going on? So finally, I asked the girl up at the front desk, and she sees my circle. I had the shirt on. I have a circle G on, but my shoulder. And then she goes, oh. She goes to novio. And I said, no, no novio. No. No novio. What's that?

[H]

Boyfriend?

[A]

That's boyfriend. And so I said, no. Why? Kay. Kay, why? Apparently, in the Latin, Hispanic culture, homosexuality is not taken very well. So when a lot of the Latin and Spanish men, they used to go out, and when they would go out into public to pronounce their homosexuality to other men, they. They would paint on a G on their shoulder.

[G]

No way.

[F]

That is funny.

[A]

So come to find out, a lot of the men down there thought I was gay because I had a G painted on my shoulder.

[F]

So then you put a T shirt on instead of that muscle shirt.

[A]

But come to find. And the truth is, the only reason it's not is cause I have it circled in because there's a red circle going around it. So I had to explain to his.

[C]

No, no.

[D]

Football.

[A]

Football, college and chess.

[F]

Oh, and you go down to Mexico and football means socce.

[A]

Yeah.

[F]

So you're screwed all over the place.

[A]

I'm a gay soccer player now.

[H]

It's good to see that you can hook up with women in our country or south of the border. Also, some things translate to every country. Well, before Phil left for vacation, we sent him out on his latest homework assignment from these men's magazines. Because I read these things and sometimes I'm flipping through the advice, you know, like, they give to other guys, and I'm like, this makes no sense to me. And it would just make more sense if women gave guys advice in these magazines and guys giving advice. Right. And as a guy, like your biggest fear and biggest challenge when you're out at a bar. Because we have been told for the longest time that if there is a bunch of women around and they're out on a girls night out or whatever, that is like, off limits. I mean, you don't have numbers on your side. It is very, very intimidating to try to approach a group of women when you see one of them that you're very attracted to. Well, askmen.com gave a whole bunch of different instructions on how you could do just that. If you're a single guy at a bar and you see four or five different women and there's one in the pack that you were just digging on, they gave like four or five different instructions on exactly what to do in order to separate her from the pack and do it successfully. So I. I mean, I have had roommates that were really, really, really good looking. And it is very, very, very rare that any guy can actually get this done. But when you read askmen.com they make it sound so easy. You just follow these rules, no worries. So we sent Phil out with those rules in hand to see if it would actually work on a Group of women. And it was so long ago that we did this. I don't even remember what the rules were.

[A]

Well, the rules were simply you would see the group of women, you know, for lack of a better term, the herd of women together. The group of women together. And you would not heard.

[H]

Definitely not heard. Definitely not. A herd.

[F]

The herd.

[A]

A flock of women. You'd see the group of women together, and you would focus in. Is it Andy Walker at all?

[H]

This guy is getting sex in Georgia.

[A]

Baby, I like your udders. Oh, come on.

[F]

Or in Latin America, either.

[A]

So. Thank you. So you'd see the group of women together, and you would focus in on one of them. And per the rules from AskMen.com, you would either a buy one a drink. If, like, you know, let's say I focus in on you, Melissa, and I notice you're drinking, you know, a Bud Light, I would buy you a Bud Light, and either I'd send it to you or I'd take it over to you myself. And with that charm, the other group of women as well, you know. Hey, how you doing, everybody having a good time tonight? Well, what's the occasion? Girls night out. Oh, great. And then you would just simply, per askmen.com, ask Melissa. Hey, can I talk to you for a couple seconds? Hey, can I pull you to the side? I'd just love to talk to you for two seconds. And that's basically. That's all the rules. And per the conversation, you just feel it out from there. And your ultimate goal is to get the phone number from the girl.

[H]

It's starting to come back to me now. Wasn't the first rule, like, buy her a drink, let her know that you're the one that bought the drink, but don't approach her immediately. Just let her and her friends kind of like, debate over who you are, what you look like, and then almost like, forget that you're the one that bought her the drink. And then later in the night, you make the approach. I think these are the rules, right? And you're supposed to win over the rest of the women in the group, especially the one woman that's always hardcore about, hey, it's a girls night out.

[A]

Mother hen.

[H]

The mother hen.

[E]

You're supposed to make friends with her.

[H]

That's right. You definitely got to win her over. And then once everybody in the group accepts you, then you kind of break off into, like, a sub conversation with the girl that you were initially attracted to. Before you know it, you have her away from the rest of the pack.

[A]

And this. And I'll tell you this once again, because we've tested these theories before. About the first time we did it was how to pull a woman away from her guy as they're on a date. And it worked. And once again, the one key factor that you have to have in doing any of these stupid men's rules from these men's magazines and websites. Confidence. Confidence. Confidence. That is all it takes. So again, I had the assignment to go out, pull a girl away from her flock, and then get her number, her herd.

[F]

Her herd, her gaggle of girls, and.

[A]

Then get her number by the end of our conversation. And I'll tell you this, I succeeded and I failed miserably at the same time. Okay, here's what happened. So the place I did, I did this combination of a couple of different clubs and bars. I went to the places I did it. This is. I think these are the top three. They didn't have, like, waitress service. So most of the time, I think on these three as well, I had to take the drink over there after making initial eye contact with the girl and with the flock gaggle of women, and take the drink over there and talk to the girls from there and pull the girl away.

[H]

See, now, if you failed, I would say you couldn't follow the askmen.com rules right off the bat. So that's maybe why it didn't work out.

[A]

Well, the only reason that it didn't work out, and you'll hear this, is because with each attempt, while I. I was able to get the girl away from her flock and was able to initiate conversation. Couldn't get one phone number out of it.

[F]

Oh, no.

[A]

So I was able to get the girl away.

[H]

You were halfway home.

[A]

Exactly. So I failed.

[F]

But it was when you were one on one with her.

[A]

One on one. One on one with her.

[H]

That's an entirely different topic.

[A]

For another topic, right?

[E]

That's another askmen.com set of instructions.

[H]

I was doing great until she actually had to have a conversation with me.

[A]

So what you're going to hear is this first. This first group of. This first piece of audio is I saw the group of girls. I noticed she was drinking a drink, and I had a drink in her hand. I actually had to physically buy the drink, Took it over to the girl and. And the. Unfortunately, the audio of me charming the women was very simple. It was very loud at this club. But it's just me saying, hey, how y' all doing? You having a good time? Great. I got you a drink. And this is me taking a step over with the first girl that I met at the club after I handed her, put a drink in her hand. I've kind of been watching you from across the club, you know? Hope you're enjoying your drink, hope you're having a good time. You know, I just want to pull you away. And I just, like, just curious if I can get your phone number. I'd love to take you out sometime. What are the chances that leave tonight with your phone number?

[G]

I'm very flattered, but my girlfriend over there is going to take me home tonight. Wouldn't be very happy if I gave you my phone number.

[A]

What if I talked to her? What if I talked to her and I said, look, I promise you don't have to come home with me. I'm just looking for a phone number.

[H]

I couldn't quite make out what she said. She said, my friend over there is.

[A]

My girlfriend over there would not like it if I left with or if I. My girlfriend would not like it if I left her tonight.

[H]

What does that have to do with giving you the phone number?

[A]

Keep listening. I don't want to take you out tonight. Maybe in the future then.

[G]

She's my girlfriend and she's the one taking care of me tonight. She probably won't like that.

[A]

So it probably is not going to happen. So when you say girlfriend, you mean girlfriend, Right? So I'm probably. Probably shooting in the wrong direction here.

[C]

Right?

[A]

So it's not going to happen.

[H]

So she's claiming that she digs chick.

[A]

She's claiming she was a lesbian.

[H]

Okay, Never had a shot at that. But you also violated the last time we did this, the rule of obtaining a phone number. You didn't. You didn't keep. The education that you got the last time is you don't give them the opportunity.

[A]

You tell them.

[H]

You tell them. You say, give me your phone number so I can put it in my phone. You don't make it an option, like.

[F]

And you know she was lying, right?

[G]

Yeah. Okay, thanks.

[H]

Cause you know that voice.

[A]

No, no, no, no.

[G]

I'm just.

[F]

The way she was doing it, she's.

[H]

Not in my community.

[F]

She was just trying to. She was hesitating, hesitant. What do I say?

[G]

What do I say?

[F]

That girl over there, she's gonna take care of me tonight. Yeah.

[H]

No, not happening.

[A]

So test number one failed miserably. So in my mind, I'm like, okay, she's lesbian. Fine, no big deal. No, no, no. My pride, my. She must be a lesbian. She don't Want none of me.

[H]

She would have seen that G Death tattoo indicating that you were gay. Maybe that. Then she would have dug.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

All right. So once again, I try again. Same situation I managed to get. Now I was just hurting another girl in this one, so managed to. Another drink in my hand. Can I expense all these drinks I bought for these women because I spent.

[H]

Sure, you try that. Chemos is pretty cool about that kind of thing.

[A]

I like that. So once again, I managed to get her away from the. From her. It was just her other girlfriend. She never took the drink, which was my first indication this probably wasn't going to work at all. So here's number two. I was watching you from across the bar. I hope you're enjoying your drinks. I hope you're having a great time tonight, but my place, a little nervous. My question is, I'd love to be able to get your fund.

[G]

I'm just.

[A]

I'm. I'm really trying to.

[G]

I'd love to be able to take.

[A]

You out some time. Maybe dinner or something. What are the chances I can get your number?

[G]

I'm sorry, you can't get my number? Right now I'm just getting out of.

[E]

Relationship, and I'm out with my friends.

[G]

Trying to get fun. I'm not really out for that. Right.

[A]

Well, I mean, if you're looking maybe to, you know, step back into the game or maybe, you know, just. If you want to vent, Timmy, you're more than welcome to.

[G]

No, that's okay.

[A]

Thank you.

[H]

Anyway. So she's just getting out of a relationship.

[A]

Oh, sure she is. She's probably getting out of a relationship with another girl. The way my luck's doing. Strike two. Fail miserably. All right, so now my confidence is starting to lack just a little bit. Final time. This girl wasn't even drinking. I just walked up and pulled her away from her group of friends.

[H]

So you threw all the rules out.

[A]

The window in your life. Now this. I'm on my own personal conquest. Just get a damn number.

[H]

So this is just caveman stuff now.

[A]

This is. Yeah, this is pretty knuckle on the ground. I think you're really trying to. I do. I've been watching you. You know, I'm pulling you away from your girls. Just want to talk to you for two seconds. What are the chances of tonight? I could get your phone number.

[E]

Less than that.

[A]

I have a boyfriend, but he's not here tonight, is he?

[D]

No.

[A]

So what are the chances?

[B]

You know?

[A]

Are y' all serious?

[E]

But his brother's here.

[A]

Okay, that's cool, but, like, you know.

[F]

Yeah.

[E]

I'm getting in trouble just talking to you right now.

[A]

So there's nothing. No, no.

[G]

Okay.

[H]

Ouch. Dude, you make me so uncomfortable.

[A]

Don't worry. I make myself so uncomfortable. So it worked. And I failed at the same time. So it's a confidence. If you can get over there. And again.

[H]

No, no, no, no. I don't. I'm not really hearing the part where it worked.

[A]

I got the girl away from her flock. Well, yeah. You physically pulled her away the third time. I had to. That's the only way I was picking her to talk to me.

[H]

I think the initial mistake you made was you didn't follow the rules to the T where you needed to be at a place where you sent the drink over, and then her and her friends got to debate you from afar. So you never even had a chance.

[A]

Thanks, buddy.

[H]

You never even had a chance, bud.

[E]

I know that has worked for you in the past, though. I remember when you were out with producer Tracy at the place in Atlantic Station. I'm drawing a blank right now.

[A]

Strip beach party. Strip.

[H]

Strip.

[C]

Strip.

[E]

Didn't you do the send the drink thing at Strip?

[A]

No, at Strip, I had a girl send a drink to me.

[E]

Oh, that's what it was.

[A]

Yeah. And she conquered. She was awesome. She won. She did a better job than I did.

[H]

Because she followed the rules.

[A]

Because she followed the rules exactly. It's all about confidence.

[H]

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[E]

So actually the conclusion is that girls need to go out in smaller numbers if they want to hook up.

[H]

Far less intimidating. Far less intimidating.

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[C]

This is something we want to replay that happened on the show yesterday.

[E]

And we'll find out like the follow up on Monday. That's why we got to get everybody caught up right now.

[C]

Yeah, we're going to do a follow up of this on Monday. This is Mia and Ryan and the short version is he's married but wants to take her to breakfast to find out if they are soulmates.

[E]

Here's a little bit longer version is that Mia and this guy she's calling Ryan dated for years and years and years.

[C]

It's all in there.

[E]

And then he was traveling for biz. Oh, okay.

[C]

Were we playing the whole thing?

[G]

The whole thing.

[C]

The whole thing. So this is the tale of Mia and Ryan. And the update comes Monday morning on the Burt show on all the hits. Q100. Hey, Mia.

[G]

Hey, good morning, guys.

[C]

How are you?

[G]

Oh, I am torn. I'm so torn because this is not just some random married guy. This was the love of my life for several years. And it's a very complicated situation. There's a lot of details. But I'd like to give you the story so that you'll know how hard this is for me to deal with.

[C]

Okay. The Floor is yours. Take it away.

[G]

Okay. We'll call him Ryan. That's not his real name either. I just don't want anybody to listen and know us because, you know, I have a lot of friends in the city. But I was with Ryan from the time I was 22 to the time I was about 25. And we were together right out of college. And it was perfect relationship. It was. It was passionate. It was wonderful. We were destined to be together. He felt the same way. Work issues came up. He needed to travel for a few years, but basically he said he was going to start out leaving Atlanta for about eight months to go to Nebraska for a job offer, and then he was going to come back or he was going to go to a major city where I could work because I need to be in a metropolitan kind of area. So his job in Nebraska really lasted only six months. So I was ecstatic thinking he was going to come back right away, you know, because we had agreed to really wait for each other. And we kept in touch all the time. We talked, like every other day, crazy phone bills. But after Nebraska, he ended up in Canada for three months. And I thought, well, I could do Toronto. Okay, I'll do Toronto. But then he goes, no, no, I'm only going to be here for three or five months. Then he was in Miami for a month, and then in Oklahoma for eight months. I mean, it was just. It just kept getting longer and longer and longer and moving around, so I could never really join him. And we stayed in touch, and we're very much in love still. But I got really frustrated because I kind of felt like he wasn't thinking about me as much as he was thinking about his job opportunities. So I did a really stupid thing. I was like, you know what? Fine, I'm gonna go out on a date. I'm gonna show him that I'm not gonna sit around and wait. Never really intending to, you know, be with this other person, just to, you know, get out of the house a little bit, because I was kind of waiting around. And he found out through a friend of ours, because we're all very closely knit from school still, that I had gone out on this date. And I'll never forget it, you know, it was Thursday, January 16, 11:36pm 2003. He called me on the phone. He told me that he found out I had gone out with somebody else and that he never wanted to speak to me again. And, I mean, it was devastating. I, you know, I, you know, didn't know what to do. I felt horrible. I tried to reach out to him, you know, through an email or whatever. We never. We really lost contact. He was truly done with me. So since that time, you know, it's been three years, I've thought about him every morning when I wake up, I think about him. When I go to sleep, I dream about him. I have been Googling him, finding out what's going on with his work, kind of keeping tabs on him. But the really big issue is that I know that he met a girl. This is all through friends because some of my friends keep in touch with him. He met a girl who's a second grade school teacher. They knew each other in dating for like nine and a half months. Then they got engaged very quickly and got married like six months later. So they've been together, you know, less than, you know, 18 months. They live in Washington, D.C. now, which is, you know, a nice city. And I thought, wow, he's married. What am I going to do? Well, I guess it's over. My heart's broken because I really believed we were always going to get back together. But he called me on Sunday out of the blue. He called me and then, yeah, he called me and left a message and said, you know, this is Ryan. I need to. I need to speak with you. Please call me back. So I called him back Monday morning. We had a brief talk, but basically he said to me he was going to be in town this weekend for business and that he's thought about me every day since we broke up and he thinks about me every night and he really needs to see me and speak to me. But then he said, you know, I don't want there to be any alcohol at our meeting because I want us to be responsible. So we're meeting for breakfast on Saturday morning at around 10, and he has a 2 o' clock flight. So I was pushing for maybe a Friday night dinner, but he wants to see me Saturday morning before his flight. So of course I'm ecstatic to see him, but I'm also really freaking out because what does this mean? Does this mean that, you know, he feels unresolved? Does it mean that he's thinking about leaving his wife? I mean, if that's the case, I wish he'd just deal with her first. And then does she know? Does she know he's gonna see me? I'm overwrought with all this emotion and I want to just, you know, throw my arms around and tell him I love him. And I'm torn.

[E]

He didn't give you any indication of what this is about. He just said he wants to see you and kept it short and sweet and.

[G]

Yeah, he said he didn't want to get into it on the phone, but, I mean, the hopeful part of me was when he told me he thinks about me every day, just like I do. That means he must, you know, love me still somewhere. But at the same time, he is married, and he. And he doesn't want it. You know, he doesn't want it to be irresponsible, which means he. Maybe he's afraid something will happen between us because he feels the way he feels. And so I just. You know, I don't want to, you know, marriage, but I don't know what's gonna happen. It's been so long. We might be different people, but we might not be the perfect match, too.

[E]

So, yeah, you're not asking us whether or not you should go, because you're going. I can hear it in your voice. You're totally going to meet him for breakfast. And you're gonna be looking so fine when you do it, too, aren't you?

[G]

Yes. I made our appointment Friday morning.

[E]

I mean, we can help you. We can help you. I mean, we can help you speculate. We can help. You know, we can give you advice on how to handle yourself. But you're. You're not asking us whether you're going or not, because I know no matter what we say, you're going.

[C]

Being devil's advocate. They've been married for less than a year now, right? How long have they been married? Okay, less than a year. What if he got married? And once he got married, he suddenly realizes that Mia is the love for. Of his life? Like, that's what it.

[G]

I'm thinking.

[F]

Yeah, right.

[C]

That's what it took.

[D]

We know.

[F]

You've been dreaming that for three years.

[C]

And isn't it better that he addresses it now with Mia to find out yes or no before ruining his marriage?

[G]

Well, right.

[E]

It's. I mean, just meeting with her for breakfast is potentially going to ruin his marriage. We don't know if he has been upfront with his wife about it. You know, we don't know.

[C]

I mean, well, what's he gonna say to his wife, I'm gonna go have dinner with or breakfast with, who might be like, he can't tell his wife. Like, what if he. What if he gets together with Mia and the chemistry is not there and he's like, oh, I was obviously having newlywed, you know, honeymoon jitters or whatever?

[E]

Yeah, well, I think that he could be personally meeting with Mia to have closure.

[C]

Right?

[E]

He's the one that dated somebody else. He's the one that was heartbroken, you know, I mean, he could. He could be meeting with her to say, leave me alone. I know that you call my friends all the time to find out about what I'm doing. My new wife hates you. I really need you out of my. I mean, he could be doing that. We don't even know what his intention is.

[C]

Hey, Mia.

[G]

Yeah.

[C]

You said part of the thing that he said to you was that she or that he said to you that he is also checked up on you and thinks about you every day. Is that accurate?

[G]

Yes.

[E]

Yes.

[G]

That was the thing that floored me.

[C]

Now, are you sure he said it that way, or did he. Something. Say something like, yeah, I know you moved into a new condo. That would be like, big news amongst.

[A]

A group of friends.

[C]

And you heard. Oh, he Googles me every other.

[G]

No, he told me, you know, he's followed up on me through friends. He knows that I'm doing very well with work and that, you know, that I'm single. He actually mentioned that. He told me he was married, but that he thinks about me. He said, but I can't stop thinking about you. I need. I need to see you. Those were his exact words. But he sounded kind of stressed out and freaked out about it, too. I mean, I wanted to talk right then and there over the phone. I was like, oh, thank. I'm so glad to. You know, I kind of got a little gushy, which I'm going to try to work on. But he. I don't know.

[E]

It's.

[G]

I mean, I haven't seen him in years, but he sounds like the same guy that, you know, I last saw when I was 25, except he's married.

[C]

I am going to be in the minority and say that you should go.

[G]

Thank you. I have to go, right? I mean, I have to go.

[F]

I knew that going, she doesn't care.

[E]

That's the first thing I said, is it doesn't matter what we say. You're going, you're going, you're going.

[C]

And the reason is because it is unethical as it is and as wrong as it is. If he made a mistake in getting married because someone else is the love of his life, then he has an obligation to address that issue. However, he did take vows and he is married. So now that he is in that relationship with. He has that relationship with his wife. As wrong as it is and as sick as it is, it's not right to end the new marriage with his wife or bring this up to her unless he knows for certain.

[F]

Mia, let me ask you a question, since you're going on Saturday, because, like, I agree with Jen that that's not the issue.

[H]

I know.

[C]

I say, I think you should go. And she's like, I know.

[E]

I know it.

[A]

I've been saying that from the start.

[E]

That's why I've already should.

[C]

I've already got my shoes picked out. I got a hair blessed.

[F]

She's already there. She's already at the restaurant. Now, Mia, let me ask a question. So let's say the guy comes to you and he says, she's already at the restaurant. Yeah.

[C]

She's standing at the counter, and Goldberg's going toast it again. And looking at her watch.

[F]

Exactly. Just look at the menu. I'll have another glass of water. If he says, I just wanted to let you know that I am married. I'm gonna stay faithful to my wife. We need to end this, and I do want closure. Are you gonna agree to that?

[G]

I guess I'll have to. I just want him to know how much I, you know, know that I messed up. But I was. You know, I was. I was angry and frustrated, and I just wanted to know how much I love him, regardless of what'll happen. You can't say forever.

[C]

You can't. I don't know if you can say that to us.

[F]

Did you just say you love him forever?

[G]

I will love him forever. I mean, you know, just because our circumstances have. Have kept us apart, even. Even if I be with him, his.

[F]

Marriage is married to another woman. But, you know, that's just a bump in the road.

[G]

But, I mean, I still love him. I mean, I've tried to date other people, and it's. There's just nobody even remotely like him.

[E]

But see, that.

[A]

That.

[F]

I mean, Mia, you haven't tried to date other people. You're going through the motions.

[C]

What's the longest relationship you've had since that January. That cold, dark January day?

[F]

What was the time again on that. What was the date again in the time?

[G]

Thursday, January 16, 11:36pm 20. Right.

[C]

So since that day, how many relationships have you had?

[G]

Probably. I mean, relationships are such a weird term. I've dated guys probably, like, from four to. I think six and a half months was my longest one. But there was no passion there. It was kind of like we were having a good time, you know, hanging out. I mean, I've never been with anybody who was as. You know that connection. You know that connection. I mean, you can go through the motions, but, you know, at the end of the day, you lay down next to somebody whether or not they're your soulmate or not.

[C]

Now, Mia, do you. Because you spent so much time googling him or whatever. I'm just curious. Just answer these questions yes or no.

[G]

Okay.

[C]

Do you know his home address in.

[G]

Washington, D.C. i know pretty much the vicinity. The street?

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Do you know the name of the school his wife is a second grade teacher at?

[G]

Yes. I've even seen her picture.

[A]

Do you.

[C]

Is she prettier than you?

[G]

No.

[C]

Do you know his email address?

[G]

Yes.

[C]

Do you know if he has a MySpace page?

[G]

Yes.

[C]

Do you know what the MySpace page is?

[G]

Yes.

[C]

How often do you look at it?

[G]

Every day, Mia.

[A]

Neat.

[C]

This is gonna be fun. All right, Mia, we're gonna talk back to you again on Monday, okay?

[G]

Thank you so much for your help.

[C]

Hey, how often do you. We didn't help you. We just haunked you Gen copy. Called it 30 seconds. And he hearing your voice.

[E]

How often you're going. Just don't do anything. Don't do anything.

[C]

How often do you call his office when he's not at his desk in order to hear his.

[G]

I haven't done that very much. Maybe once a month.

[C]

All right, we'll talk to you on Monday.

[G]

Thanks, guys.

[C]

Thanks, Mia.

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