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Jeff
We have Carl's at Mike Music because we got to bring Carl in here. And this is. This might be a guy thing, but I read this topic that he has for the show and my heart broke a little bit.
Jen
Your heart broke?
Alex
Yeah.
Carl
That's funny.
Jeff
And I know it's a guy thing.
Jen
I think it's a dad thing.
Jeff
I'm not a dad, though. I mean, it's not.
Jen
He's admitted.
Jeff
So Carl is stepping out of his master control for the phone screening room to come seek counsel from the comfort that is the Burt show.
Carl (Producer)
And it's serious too, y'. All. Serious business. My daughter the other day. No, last weekend.
Jeff
You have three kids.
Carl (Producer)
Have three kids. Have an older daughter who. Who just turned nine. And I have my four year old daughter and then my little dude in the middle. But last weekend I saw my wife in the bathroom with my 9 year old trying on. I don't even know if it was a training bra. I mean, what size do you get at that age?
Jen
Yeah, that's a training bra, baby.
Burt
Girls growing up, what was your first reaction, really?
Carl (Producer)
My first reaction was, why is my wife doing that? She don't really need that. You know, it was like, why is she pushing that on tour? You know I'm right.
Wendy
Like, I think a mama will do that.
Jen
That's when they start. That's when they start sprout.
Wendy
And the daughters ask for that too.
Jen
The daughter's excited.
Jeff
Not Carl's girl. Carl's girl's six years old. Forever.
Carl (Producer)
I know, right? Four year old. And the Thing is, she's like real small and you started seeing a little like the little bumps come up.
Jen
Yeah, little knit bumps.
Carl (Producer)
That right there. Oh my gosh. That right there did it for me.
Jen
And that's why she needs a training bra.
Carl (Producer)
That right there did it for me.
Wendy
What is like, what's the emotion? Can you define it?
Carl (Producer)
It's like, well, I mean, really, my little ba. Really? It's like she's not a baby anymore, of course. And it's like that innocence, you know, like, okay, she's gonna start looking at boys. She's gonna just everything, man. Just everything that comes along with it.
Jeff
It's adulthood. It's like that is an outward.
Jen
It's the on ramp to puberty.
Burt
It's the word puberty.
Wendy
You're like, my little girl's gonna be little forever.
Carl (Producer)
Serious, man.
Jeff
It's like guys don't have it so much. I mean, maybe like shaving, like getting whiskers on their face, you know.
Wendy
But like that comes so much later though.
Jeff
And I think it's. Cause when I read that, Carl, like I.
Carl (Producer)
You felt me?
Jeff
I felt it because I don't even have kids or a daughter or anything.
Jen
You said off air your heart broke.
Jeff
Yes, because next thing you. Cause I know what guys are like.
Carl (Producer)
Yeah. And I could appreciate you, Jeff, by even saying that, man. Just for you to be able. Just to understand where I was coming from. And Jeff said it so randomly. He brought it out the blue. And for him to say that his heart broke, I was like, oh, you feel me, dude, I'm serious. Because when you see the little bumps on everything, the little training bra. Okay, I could still. Cause she had a little Tweety bird training bra back in when she was 4. I let her play with it. Yeah, whatever. But now she needs it. And just to see the little bumps, that's just. I don't. That's hard to swallow.
Jeff
It's traumatic. It's super traumatic for a daddy. We're talking to Carl, who is one of the producers on the show, about his daughter who's getting all grown up,
Wendy
nine year old girl and she's got her first bra.
Carl (Producer)
But you know what though? Really the big thing is that when I saw the bra, the training bra and I saw the little, little girly bumps or whatever. Really? What? Really kind of.
Jeff
I think Fergie calls them lovely lady bumps.
Carl (Producer)
But really the whole thing is. I think it's the. That who knows what day she's going to come on a period. That's real.
Jen
I think that's that's why. That's way down the line.
Burt
No, sometimes it's ten.
Jen
Really?
Wendy
Ten years old grade.
Carl (Producer)
Really?
Jen
Fifth grade.
Burt
You, My sister.
Wendy
Really?
Jen
It's the hormones in the milk.
Wendy
It is. That's what you always hear. Cows.
Jen
Yeah, because it's usually like 11 and 12, right.
Burt
Fifth and sixth grade. That's the age range, though. It's fifth and sixth grade.
Wendy
What grade is your daughter in, Carl?
Carl (Producer)
She's in the fourth. Going to the fifth next year.
Jeff
I know. So growing up and when do boyfriends start calling the house?
Carl (Producer)
Never. I don't ever get through my life.
Wendy
6th and 7th grade. Boys will start calling you.
Carl (Producer)
I don't have to wor. I'm not even worried about that.
Jeff
I just write that down. I just had the vision of, like, some squeaky voice guy, like. And then, you know, Carl opens the door with big. Can I help you? Hello, M. And Carl just giving him like that.
Jen
How young is it?
Jeff
I'm.
Carl (Producer)
Open the door. Like a lion.
Burt
Get out of here.
Carl (Producer)
Like a dog. Just bark him out. Bark him away from.
Wendy
From what we learned earlier this morning, boys will just text and Facebook her. They won't actually ever call and ask her out, or they actually won't ever show her.
Jeff
She got a cell phone yet?
Carl (Producer)
In person, she's starting to ask. And that's the reason why, because I know little stuff starts creeping through the lines. You know, when you get a little cell phone, little text message from little.
Wendy
When are you gonna let her have one snotty nose?
Carl (Producer)
Kids dirty a cell phone. When she starts going out on her own. You know, when I'm not.
Jeff
Safety.
Carl (Producer)
Yeah, for safety reasons. Things like that.
Jeff
Hey, Renee. Welcome to the bird show.
Alex
Hey, guys. Love the show. Hey, Carl. I call Carla quite a lot, but my little girl's eight and a half, and she's pushing it. Mommy, we got to go. Mommy, we got to go. Get me, you know, a grow bra, training bra, whatever they call them. And she's just at the little bump stage, too, but it's adorable. I mean, this is a big thing for her. So excited.
Jen
Yeah, she's excited.
Alex
Go with it.
Jen
Yeah, I remember. I thought, yeah, it was so exciting.
Jeff
It's different, though, for girls and guys, because girls, like mommy is like, the daughter's becoming more like mommy.
Jen
Well, mom understands what she's feeling.
Jeff
And for, I think, guys. Daughters becoming more like mommy. And guys know what they've done to mommy, and they don't want anybody doing that to their daughter.
Carl (Producer)
That's exactly what it is. Because you Know what? Guys start looking, and when they start looking, they started thinking and all that, you know, I don't care how old the little dude.
Jeff
You guys are, so. Women are so lucky. They don't think, like, know what guys think about is not really.
Carl (Producer)
Oh, yeah.
Jen
Well, we're on the Birch show, and that's all the conversation we have all the time. So we're still trying to figure out what guys are thinking, and especially you scared once when.
Jeff
Hey, Rhonda.
Jen
Jeff reveals it.
Jeff
What's going on?
Alex
Yeah, I just want to let the call know. Yes, it does happen at 10 because it happened to me and it happened at church.
Carl (Producer)
Wow.
Carl
Oh, yeah.
Jen
That's a whole other conversation. So you started at 10?
Alex
Yes.
Jen
Really? You poor thing.
Carl (Producer)
Wow.
Alex
And at 10, I was not wearing the training bra. I was wearing a grown woman's bra.
Burt
Same with my sister.
Wendy
Are you serious? I'm serious.
Burt
It's different with different people. I mean, I started in sixth grade. That's like 10, 11 years old.
Carl (Producer)
Can I ask you, how are you big now? Like the early. Does it start? Does it mean how big you'll be or.
Jeff
I cut her off accidentally.
Alex
Yeah.
Jen
I had a friend who start because we felt bad for the girls that started first. And there was a friend of ours. Yeah. Who started a year before everybody else.
Jeff
And apparently we've inadvertently launched into a game of premier period poker because Heather is now joining us.
Jen
Well, I just wanted to tell. I want to finish that thought as telling Carl that usually the size of the breasts indicated at least. And Wendy, tell me if I'm wrong, but the size of the breast indicated how mature she was and she was about to start.
Jeff
Hey, honest Heather. Welcome to the show.
Alex
Hi. How are you guys?
Burt
We're well.
Jeff
We're all good. Carl's a little sweaty.
Alex
Yeah, Carl, I understand. I started my period when I was in the third grade. I was eight years old. What?
Wendy
Eight?
Jen
Oh, my goodness, you're so.
Wendy
Baby.
Alex
Yeah, I've been. I've been bleeding for 20 years.
Jen
Oh, God, guys, I can't handle this conversation. You poor thing.
Burt
That line was hysterical.
Wendy
That's great. Wow.
Jen
I've been bleeding for.
Jeff
Hey, Liz. Welcome to the show. We lose Liz. We lost Liz.
Jen
She's laughing at the last comment.
Wendy
So curious. Carl, as a dad, as your daughter becomes this, you know, from this, your baby, you know, she'll always be your baby, but, like, she, you know, is growing up, how do you plan to sort of stay in touch with her and not just let it be her? She goes to mom now. You know, like, how do you get over your discomfort with the bra thing or, you know, starting the period thing or whatever, and still stay as close with her as you are now when she becomes a little woman?
Carl (Producer)
That's a good. That's a real good question, because I have a hard time trying to. Have a hard time trying to find that balance. But what I've learned is because when she had the little Tweety Bird bra when she was 4, playing with it, I brought it to her attention, and I recognized that she kind of got upset with me, so I recognized that, okay, this is what she wants.
Alex
So.
Carl (Producer)
So I vent to my wife and I leave her alone.
Jen
But I think what Jen is saying, and tell me if I'm interpreting this right, because you are the male influence in her life and what. How her relationship with you will define the men that she dates in her life. So I think that your. No pressure, though, but it's the truth. And I think that your communication with her and continuing to have a close relationship with her is very important. Instead of it being like, I'm too uncomfortable with this, I'm just going to, you know, leave the conversation or never talk about it.
Jeff
Would you guys believe me if I was about to pick up a phone call from a woman who said that her dad taped her boobs down?
Alex
What?
Jen
I'd believe that.
Jeff
Hey, Kim.
Alex
Yeah.
Jeff
How are you?
Alex
I'm good. How are you guys?
Jeff
So what did.
Wendy
What happened?
Jeff
Father Purvis do, right?
Alex
My dad, actually, my dad, he was a cop, and so I know across going through, my dad freaked out when I started getting little lady lumps, and behind my mom's back for, like, two weeks, he would tape my chest down and so that nobody could tell. And then my mom found out, and she had to go get me a training bra. And, yeah, usually if you start developing early, it does determine the size. I'm 24 now and pretty big. I started wearing training bras at, like, 8 and 9 around that time.
Jeff
Carl, I thought we were gonna get help for you, and you're just sweating more.
Carl (Producer)
My baby gonna have a nice rack, huh?
Wendy
Now, don't go all Billy Ray Cyrus on us. What are you, Joe Simpson?
Jeff
I. Becky, can you help Carl?
Alex
Yeah. All I know is that my daughter's in third grade, and I am her teacher's homeroom mom. And she said that two of her girls, two of the little girls have already started.
Jen
At what grade again?
Alex
Third grade.
Wendy
Wow.
Jen
Those poor things. I mean, you can't help it, obviously, but that's tough to be first.
Jeff
Yeah.
Wendy
Or last.
Jen
First or last for a girl is very hard.
Carl (Producer)
Yeah, boys too. And the thing I don't want to sound like as if I'm too crazy over it, but I encourage her to talk to me. Don't get it. I don't want you all to get it wrong, but I encourage her to talk to me. It's just hard when I go into the room by myself and just deal with it.
Burt
Yeah, I'm sure the so cute.
Wendy
You're such a good dad, Carl.
Carl (Producer)
My baby.
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Carl
All right, so we get this email a couple of days ago, and it is from a Birch show listener that is looking for a date to a wedding. But not any date, okay? Because the stakes are high here. Hey, Alex. Good morning. You're on the Burt Show.
Alex
Hi. Good morning. Good morning.
Carl
How are you today?
Alex
I'm all right. How are y'? All?
Carl
Good.
Jeff
Good.
Carl
All right. How can we help you?
Alex
Okay, so it's not a wedding, it's an engagement party. The wedding's next year.
Carl
Okay.
Alex
Okay, so my ex will be there and.
Wendy
I'm sorry, ex boyfriend or ex husband?
Alex
Ex boyfriend.
Jen
Okay.
Alex
My ex boyfriend will be there. We broke up seven months ago, roughly. Bad breakup. Months later, he gets a girlfriend. Still has a girlfriend. So I need a date. He's gonna bring her. I just want to show him that I can do better.
Jeff
Who broke up with who?
Alex
He broke up with me via email.
Carl
Oh, come on, man. This goes along with our conversation last week.
Jeff
Just email you? Ttyl.
Carl
This goes along with our conversation about dudes having a man up, man.
Wendy
He emailed you.
Carl
You can't email or text something like that. You gotta do it the old fashioned way and meet them, you know, him straight in the eye. And you got to do it that way. Sucks.
Wendy
How long were we all together?
Alex
Three and a half years.
Wendy
Oh, that makes it worse.
Carl
Coward. Coward.
Wendy
You got to be glad you're not with that dude.
Alex
I am. I am.
Carl
So really what we need to do is find a guy that is just on first impression, just, I mean, a really good looking dude. So your ex is immediately going, oh, my God. Alex is doing great.
Alex
Right?
Jeff
Do you care if. Do you care if the guy is gay or straight? No, because you could go like, I'm thinking like that Calendar that Richie Arpino does every year.
Burt
Oh, yeah,
Alex
April.
Jeff
Yeah, you can use that thing almost as a catalog. Just go through there, pick out the one you want.
Carl
Here is Kelly with a suggestion. Hey, Kelly. Good morning. You're on the Bert Show.
Alex
Hey, I've got such a great idea. How about Dolvett?
Carl
That might work. All right. My friend Dolvett's a fairly decent looking dude.
Jeff
Do you care if he wears sunglasses all the time? Regardless of the illumination in the sky?
Carl
What exactly are you just looking for?
Alex
Hot.
Carl
Right?
Alex
Right. Yes.
Carl
Is there going to be any interaction between your ex and this guy, or is this. Can. Can this be somebody that looks really hot and just not have to talk at all?
Alex
No, I want him to talk. I want him to not be scared to talk.
Carl
There goes Dolvett.
Jeff
Okay.
Jen
I think he's
Carl
all right. Because that's important. Because, yeah, if. If your ex comes up, you want him to be impressed. Not only is this dude hot, but he's also got something upstairs.
Jen
Right.
Wendy
Well, we have to be able to figure out, like, what's in it for the guy, because to give up a Saturday night and go with a total stranger to the engagement party, like, there's gotta be something in it for him.
Carl
I can tell you one thing, because I had Tracy send a picture of Alex because I knew this is what it was gonna boil down to for guys as well. Can I see a picture of what I gotta hang out with? And Alex spells her name A, L, Y, X. So I knew immediately she was gonna be good looking. And the photo came in today. And what's in it for guys is you're hanging out with a really pretty girl for the whole night. That I can tell you. So she passes that test. What else, though?
Alex
I don't know.
Burt
Where is this engagement party? Like, what are you guys going to be doing?
Alex
It's at a friend's house, so it's going to be, like, low key, kind of casual.
Jen
Do they have to travel far to get there? I mean, like, is it at metro Atlanta or is it outside the perimeter?
Alex
Oh, no, it's, like, around Kennesaw.
Jen
Okay.
Carl
What, like, you know the group that's going to be there better than we do. So give us some idea of, like, topics that might come up. Is this a political group or is this a. More of a pop culture group? What are we looking for?
Alex
No, not political. No, I'm sorry.
Wendy
What's the average age range of the crowd?
Alex
Late 20s.
Wendy
Okay. Kennesaw, late 20s. You'll just be hanging out. What about?
Alex
I mean, having food, drinking.
Carl
Pretty light night, it sounds like.
Wendy
Can you pick up dinner? I'm just trying to think of something else to throw in the pot.
Carl
There's got to be something for the dude. Although I'll tell you what. Really long way.
Jen
Okay.
Carl
What's that?
Jen
Ya.
Jeff
I was gonna say. Well, not if. It's like. If the guy we pick out is a great looking gay dude, then he doesn't care how cute she is.
Wendy
Right?
Jen
And then, I mean, it's an engagement party, so. I mean, hanging out with pot at a boring engagement party. No offense.
Carl
There is Paul. Good morning, Paul. You're on Q100.
Alex
Hey guys, how's it going?
Carl
Good, how are you?
Alex
Hey, you gotta add one more element to this, okay? You gotta have somebody who can act a little bit because they gotta act the part too. They can't just look the part and talk a little bit. They gotta act the part. I'm not saying they got to be like all all over each other, but you know, they. They gotta, you know, kiss once or twice or something. I mean, it's gotta look like. Like they're actually with each other.
Carl
It's gotta be believable to the ax or it's not gonna work.
Wendy
We should ask our friend who does the head. The head lean. Wouldn't it be good?
Burt
Oh, yeah.
Wendy
Okay. Wendy and I have to discuss off the air, but we have a cute friend that we think might work.
Jeff
But what's the head lean thing?
Wendy
It was just something I needed to tell Wendy so she knew who I was talking about.
Jen
Shut up.
Jeff
Sorry, girls, Girl talk.
Carl
Here is Philip. Good morning, Phillip. You're on Q100.
Alex
Hey, good morning.
Carl
Hello, sir. How are you?
Alex
We're doing wonderful. How are y'? All?
Jeff
Okay.
Carl
What's going on?
Alex
Well, first I wanted to find out y'. All. When I cut off the radio, y' all were talking about the age range. What is the age range she's looking for? Anywhere. Late 20s, early 30s will work.
Jeff
Okay.
Alex
I'm 25. Is that too young? No,
Carl
no. At the risk of sounding desperate, no.
Alex
I mean, I don't know if I meet the standards. I mean, if y' all, we could do a quick interview.
Wendy
Aren't you good looking?
Alex
I mean, I think so. I could give y'. All. I don't really have any pictures I could send, but somebody could look me up on Facebook and you could get a little run through.
Burt
Okay.
Carl
What's the celebrity you most look like?
Alex
Somebody.
Jeff
I'm a guy.
Alex
I don't Know how to answer that question? You got me there.
Wendy
How tall are you?
Alex
About 5:10. Yeah, that's key. He needs to be tall.
Wendy
Do you work out?
Jeff
Sorry?
Alex
Do I work out? Yeah. Well, I'm gay, so we're forced to work out.
Jen
You have a higher physical standard, though.
Jeff
You get kicked out of the gay club.
Burt
And if you're a guy, where else
Wendy
are you gonna meet anybody if you don't go to the gym?
Alex
Exact.
Carl
All right, so we have gay. So as a stereotype, I'm gonna say that you're good looking, dude. And you probably know a little bit something about fashion also, obviously.
Alex
Well, they'll take away our car.
Burt
Okay.
Carl
Alex, do you have any problem at all about your date being gay?
Alex
No. I don't know how well I can pull off straight. Well, I used to be engaged, so I think I can pull off the straight card if it was necessary.
Jen
I hear a hesitation because I think she. She may be looking for potential, you know, somebody to go out with again if it works out.
Jeff
Well, I think the bigger question is Philip. Is that his name? Philip, do you have any reservations being a gay man and going to Kennesaw?
Alex
Well, that was an obstacle at first. I think we get to a point,
Carl
Alex, why don't we do this? Why don't I get producer Tracy on the phone with you after the show today? We will post your picture. We will also post exactly the requirements that you're looking for for this weekend. And then we'll also put. If you're interested, call back at 6:45 in the morning. And maybe we'll have a couple of dudes lined up for you tomorrow morning to narrow the search.
Alex
Okay.
Carl
Does that sound okay?
Alex
Yeah, sounds great.
Carl
Is there anything else I'm missing here? I don't feel like I still have a very good snapshot of exactly what you're looking for, though.
Jeff
What's your time frame? Like, how long do you want them to invest in that evening?
Alex
Just as long as the party.
Jeff
Is it like six? Is it a party? Is it a group that starts at 7pm and ends in 2am or is it a group that starts at 8pm and by 10:30 everybody's doing their own thing?
Alex
No, it could. It could go later.
Jeff
Okay.
Carl
Okay.
Jeff
That's important.
Carl
All right, so, Alex, we'll post your picture. I'll have producer Tracy get on the phone with you. Just do a little description of exactly what you're looking for. And we'll have guys call in over the next couple of days. It's not this weekend.
Alex
No, no, no, no.
Carl
All right, so we have some time here.
Alex
Yeah, we have time.
Carl
Okay, Alex.
Alex
All right, great. Thank you.
Carl
Between everybody we know and the virtual community, I think we'll get you all hooked up. Okay.
Alex
All right, great. Thank you.
Carl
All right, thanks. Yeah. This has got to be a special dude because we're really just going for jealousy factor here.
Jen
Yes.
Wendy
And somebody who's going to be, like, affectionate with her, too.
Jeff
The Bird show
Jen
this episode is brought to you by Vinted. Hey, it's Cassie. And this is your heads up that you're probably sitting on a fat stack of cash and you don't even realize it, y'.
Wendy
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Jen
I took a look at my closet the other day, like, truly looked at it, and I realized I probably don't wear half of it. It's just sitting there taking up space and guilt tripping me every time I buy a new piece of clothing, reminding me that, oh, I'm running out of closet space and I have all these beautiful clothes I never, ever wear. And it's become this weird pain point in my life. And then I found Vinted. Vinted is a secondhand app that makes it easy for everyday people like you and me to sell pre loved fashion and earn some extra money. Vinted was the motivation I needed to clean out my closet, and I'm betting it's the same for you. So picture this. You use Vinted now you've got a less cluttered closet, a refreshed wardrobe with new pieces that you don't feel guilty about, and you made money. It's a win, win, win. And the extra nice part is that listing items on Vinted is quick and simple. And once an item sells, Vinted creates the prepaid shipping label for you. So if you're ready to clean out your closet and make some extra money, download the Vinted app for free and start listing. With no seller fees, you keep every dollar you earn. And for a limited time, you can enjoy free shipping in the US On Vinted. Can't wait to see what y' all are selling.
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Wendy
So I have this sort of odd jealous streak that I'm discovering in myself that I didn't realize that I had. And it's because it came up a couple of weeks ago. And I think it's really because my boyfriend and I have been together about maybe six months now and things are going really great. And I have zero reason to be jealous, but I just have this jealous streak. And I think it's because I'm trying to figure out where it comes from. And I think it's because he works with a lot of women and like constantly a lot of women, like always around him all the time. And I think because of that, some of his closest friends are women. And I don't know why, but it's like, it's like stirred up these, like, these emotions of jealousy for me. And I know there's no reason to be jealous, but I guess because most of my best friends are women and I don't have a ton of like best guy friends. I don't know, it's just a difference for me. And I'm like struggling with it because I know there's no reason to be jealous, but I find these pangs of jealousy that I'm like having to squash in myself and just be quiet about.
Carl
I got two things to add here. First of all, the dude that she's going out with is like the most solid guy ever.
Jen
He's perfect.
Carl
But he's also a very good looking dude, so I could certainly understand like. And he works in a field that's dominated by women, so I can understand their height, especially in the beginning of a relationship. Hey, you'd have those Jealous feelings?
Wendy
Yeah. And I think, like, I don't know, when I go and hang out and have like, you know, drinks with a friend or, you know, dinner with a friend or whatever to just like, catch up and he'll do the same thing, but his is with his women friends. And so I don't know why I have. I think it was a couple of weeks ago that it came up because it was like a few different nights in a row that he was like, catching up with this friend or that friend or whatever. And I was like, all right, well, don't be mad about it. You know, just trying to squash those jealousy feelings because I know I have no reason to feel that way. And I've just got to figure out a way to get over that.
Carl
You know, Stacy and I went for probably months not seeing eye to eye on this through Burt's Big Adventure. We have a new webmaster for Burt's Big Adventure. He runs a studio down in St. Augustine. And they were working so much together that they had started to become really good friends, like texting each other all the time, on the phone with each other all the time. And I had a very difficult time with it. It doesn't help that he's really good looking. And we really went at it round and round. And I was really jealous about it. And she asked me, if I had this friend before we got married, would it be cool? And my answer was absolutely, yeah. Secondly, there was some superficial part of it also. It's a good looking dude. If it wasn't a good looking guy, I don't know that I would have been as jealous about it. But I really was pretty jealous about the relationship they were having. And I really felt like that's the beginning step to me of something that could have been much, much worse.
Wendy
Like a slippery slope to something else.
Carl
And I'm still not 100% comfortable with it. I gotta tell you, I was gonna
Wendy
ask how you guys resolved it. You just consistently talk about it.
Carl
Well, they were sort of inviting me into their group and I was resistant to it. And she basically said to me, this guy's not going anywhere. We're just friends. I'm allowed to have guy friends just the same way you're allowed to have girlfriends. Problem is, I've never even had the thought. Excuse me, Never had the thought of starting a friendship with a girl outside of my marriage. I just. I didn't. I thought that was off limits ground for us. Look, Here we are 13 years married and we're still learning, right? What's new real estate. And what's not right, that just in my head was never even an option. We had never talked about it. So she started this relationship with this guy and we had to redefine if that's cool or not. And at the end of the day, they did bring me in and I was more open to it. And actually I really dig this guy a lot. I really dig him. But I would not say that I'm 100%, totally and completely comfortable with that relationship, even today.
Wendy
Because they became friends afterwards. Yeah, because all of Grant's friends are friends that he had long before. I mean, they've been friends a long time. And I know that. That it's. It's non threatening, but I just feel these pangs. It's almost like shoots of like pain, like through your stomach when it hits you. You know what I'm saying? It's like almost like a physical reaction that I have to like, kind of suppress and be like, okay, usually not that way.
Alex
No.
Wendy
It's weird because you've always.
Jen
Because in the time that we've been on the show, I've heard you give advice to other people about that and. But I could see. Because it's new, because I could see where you're getting into that routine, But I think especially with your boyfriend and his friends, I mean, if anything was gonna happen between him and any of these women, it would have already happened.
Wendy
It would have already happened. Exactly. And I would have known about it. So there's. It's. I'm suppressing it and I haven't really. I haven't talked to him about it at all because it's illogical.
Carl
Well, I still think, for me, I still think at the end of the day that it's still ground that I don't want to walk on. I don't want to have relationships with women that are outside of my relationship with Stacey. Either you accept us as a couple or you don't. Which they were trying to do. The problem here is that I wasn't accept. I was resisting it. No, I don't want to be around the guy. I don't trust this relationship. But once I gave into it, turned out to be an awesome guy, spent the night at our house this weekend. Right in his own bed, I think. Do you really remember Saturday night? Anything could happen. I don't know. Hey, Maria. Good morning. You're on the Burt Show. Hi.
Alex
Good morning. I agree with you, Bert. I completely do not believe in opposite sex friendship. Just from my experience and other friends, every Male guy that I thought was just a friend would either end up falling in love or want to take it to the next step or even with my husband, his previous friends, like they either either did something or I just feel like if you don't step that if you don't go ahead and get started on that line, if you just prevent it, it cannot accumulate to anything else. Especially nowadays, most women nor men don't really have that much respect for each other. So it is really difficult to me nowadays. So you just have to have that boundary or that, you know, agreement within each other and just go from there.
Burt
Well, I think you can have a opposite sex relationship and it be a friendship because I had a best guy friend. But I think it's important that he introduce you to all of his girlfriends so that you don't feel insecure, so that you are brought into the group. I think that's a big factor in it.
Carl
I think you're really talking about two different things. You're talking about friendships that were forged before you got into your relationship and friendships that start afterwards.
Wendy
Start afterwards? Yeah. Because it does seem like, like Melissa said, like if anything was going to happen before, it would have happened before anyway and you wouldn't be in the relationship with them because they'd be in the relationship with the friend, you know. But I think, yeah, I think it's like after you're in a relationship, it's either like same sex, new friends or couple friends.
Jen
Right.
Carl
It almost felt to me like he was providing something for he. She was getting something out of that relationship with him that I wasn't providing. Also, like, why do you need to call him on the phone?
Wendy
And that's scary.
Carl
And I didn't like that at all. I still don't like that very much.
Alex
Yeah.
Carl
So I guess what I'm saying as I'm talking, I'm still not very okay with this relationship. I really am not.
Jen
First gonna throw something where we're gonna call Stacy on the phone.
Carl
I thought I was at peace with it, but I, I just now realized I'm not at peace with it. Hey, Tony, good morning. You're on the bird show.
Alex
Hey, good morning, guys.
Burt
What's happening, man?
Alex
And I was just gonna say that, you know, when you other, other girls see this guy with Jim, who's a very attractive woman, you know, they're gonna start awakening themselves to, you know, like, hey, I want this guy now for myself.
Wendy
Oh, you think that, that it'll make it worse?
Alex
It's possible. And men are dogs. We're animals, Yo.
Wendy
I have to say that I think. I think he's an exception. I don't think he's a dog.
Jen
Well, but the thing is, what is the advice, though? You're telling Jen. I mean, I know he's off the phone now, but, like, what are you telling Jen that she's going to tell her boyfriend now? You can't have any female friends.
Wendy
Like, I'm not going to do that. No, but.
Carl
But any. Anybody that he forms a friendship with now should be with the both of you guys. Or he can have those relationships, too.
Wendy
I don't know that I'd be comfortable with a new friendship, especially somebody that he would want to, like. Talked to a lot that wasn't a friend before. But, I mean, he has great friends that I've met that they were friends before. Some of the women are married, you know, all that stuff. That's all good because they were friends for a long time. But I think anybody knew that he was talking to or spending that much time with, I would have a real issue.
Jen
I would, too. And it's a huge red flag to me if there's anybody that wants to just be my friend or just be Katie's friend. You know, if it's a. Well, in my case, it's female friends, and if it's. Especially if it's a lesbian who just wants to be friends with one of us, then that is a huge red flag, right?
Wendy
Yes, totally.
Carl
One more call here. Good morning, Burt Show.
Alex
Hey, guys. I was calling because I wanted to let Jen know that it is virtually impossible for men and women to be friends and maintain that kind of level. Like the other caller said, of respect. I agree with Burt 100%. There is no way. I was married before and my husband, business partner slash friend, totally woman, all that. She was cute, had a nice shape, and it just does not work out. Even with male friends that I have. There will always be an underlying tension, no matter what, but it is virtually impossible. I agree with Jen. You have feelings there. Embrace those feelings. He needs to respect those feelings. And you just let him know, like, you know, is there any way that we can sit down and talk about this? Because the feelings that you have now, you're gonna have a year from now, you're gonna have two years from now, you're gonna have five years from now. So embrace those feelings, honey. They are there for a reason.
Carl
No, I mean, but you can't change the relationship he currently had before he got in it with you.
Wendy
I don't think so. And I'm not. I feel pangs of jealousy, but I don't feel threatened by those at all, you know?
Jen
What about you, Bert?
Wendy
Are you okay with that?
Alex
No, I'm not.
Jen
I don't have a talk about this later.
Carl
I guess I just buried it for a while. Well, I didn't realize that it was not nearly as good of this relationship. If you need a guy friend, I've got a guy in St. Augustine that I will hook you up with this
Burt
week to get out of my house.
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Jeff
guys a funny story about something seen on 75 south recently.
Jen
Okay.
Jeff
Somebody was. A friend of mine was in traffic. Actually, I don't know if it was on. I know they take 75, but it may have been a surface street getting onto it or whatever. And they were stopped at a light and they were, you know, looking around at the cars next to them. And the person in the car to their right was the woman. It's not funny, so I'm not gonna laugh.
Jen
Don't laugh.
Jeff
The woman had made a fist and was punching herself in the head.
Jen
What?
Jeff
Obviously in frustration about something.
Jen
Oh, my gosh.
Wendy
You're kidding.
Burt
Punching herself?
Jeff
Yes.
Jen
Wow.
Jeff
I don't. I mean, I don't. Would you punch yourself hard?
Jen
So instead of punching her car, like if she was having a moment of anger, instead of punching like the dashboard or when she was punching or the
Burt
horn, like, at least honk if you're angry.
Jeff
So she was sitting in the car, punching herself in the head.
Wendy
Wow. What does your friend do at that point? Like double take and then move on?
Jeff
Well, that's what he asked. Like, what. What am I.
Jen
Should I take a video to put on YouTube?
Wendy
Duh.
Jeff
Should I try to help? Like, is that a. Is that 911 worthy or.
Jen
No.
Jeff
What if it's just somebody who's mad because. Crap. It's supposed to be there at 7. At 7:15.
Jen
Yeah. No, that's not. I mean, you just laugh and drive on the.
Jeff
You always get great stories, too, from truck drivers because they're up. Hi.
Carl
Yeah.
Wendy
What they get to see in a car.
Jeff
Yeah. Looking down in a car. Because people.
Jen
That can be dangerous.
Wendy
I don't really want to know.
Jeff
The law starts, I think on July 1st or something that you can't text, you know, message in a car. Excuse me.
Jen
Which is good.
Jeff
But that doesn't people shave in the car. Women paint their fingernails in the car.
Jen
The weirdest thing, I mean, there are times where I get self conscious about like if I do something like putting freshening up makeup or something at a stoplight because I try. I don't, I don't do that when I'm riding. But like, let's say I'm heading to an event in the evening or something that I may reapply makeup at a stoplight. But the weirdest thing I've ever seen is someone who's had the TVs inside their car and there has been porn on in the car.
Carl
Yeah, like.
Wendy
Like the drop down one that people typically allow kids to watch cartoons on.
Jen
Yeah.
Burt
Or the ones in the back of the seats.
Wendy
I've seen that too. I've seen that too.
Jen
Isn't that weird?
Wendy
Yeah, it's disgusting.
Jen
That's nasty.
Wendy
I actually saw somebody one time reading a book.
Jeff
Oh, I've seen that. I saw that on 85 South.
Wendy
Reading a novel. I mean like as they're driving.
Alex
Yes.
Wendy
Like as a big hardback book, like halfway open, leaned up on the steering wheel while they were driving. To me it wasn't on the highway. It was like stop and go traffic. But yeah, reading a novel, which I guess wouldn't be that much different than reading your phone. Phone. But to me it seems different. Like actually turning the pages of a book, having a leisurely drive home.
Jen
That is weird as you're driving because I think everything is acceptable at a stoplight when you're stopped. But when you're on the interstate, I
Jeff
mean, if you have a book in
Jen
your car at a stoplight, if you're reading a paragraph, for some reason I still think that if you're sitting there, but if you're in motion, I'm too
Jeff
add to read while I'm driving.
Wendy
How do you get through like two or three sentences and then go.
Jeff
Unless it's a totally mindless sentences, you know, nothing. Unless it's like a Us Weekly tabloid type thing.
Jen
If it's a magazine, it's different.
Jeff
Yeah, but if I'm reading a book, like what happened? Like I would forget about the paragraph I just read before I got to.
Wendy
Yeah, it doesn't seem like novel reading is really appropriate for me.
Jeff
Before I got to the next red light, didn't somebody see. What are those things that women use on their eyelashes to curl them?
Wendy
Oh, the eyelash curl.
Jen
Yeah, yeah.
Wendy
Going down the highway.
Jen
No, no, no, no, no. That' that's dangerous on so many levels.
Jeff
That wouldn't be an issue at all if you had to brake quickly or
Wendy
somebody rear ended you or distracting. I mean, I can't even get that right. Looking in the mirror at home, sitting at a vanity, not going anywhere. I can't get that thing right.
Jeff
And all you need to do is just get bumped just a little tiny bit.
Jen
Stop, stop.
Burt
Right there's just the same as mascara and eyeliner.
Jen
Stitches in the eyelid.
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Airdate: August 4, 2026
This episode of The Bert Show immerses listeners in relatable moments from family milestones to personal insecurities—with the signature humor, warmth, and authenticity the crew is known for. Notable topics include a father grappling with his daughter’s entry into puberty, a woman seeking a date to make her ex jealous at an engagement party, candid confessions about jealousy in relationships, and stories about bizarre behavior on the road. Lively banter, candid listener calls, and the team’s willingness to get real make the episode equal parts funny and heartfelt.
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This episode demonstrates why The Bert Show remains a go-to for listeners seeking both laughter and the comfort of shared experiences. From the poignant to the ridiculous, the stories and conversations flow candidly, always with an open invitation for the audience to join in.