Full Show PT 3: Friday, June 5 [Vault]

Summary

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The Bert Show – Full Show PT 3: Friday, June 5 [Vault]

Original Air Date: June 5, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode of The Bert Show is quintessential morning radio: lively banter, listener calls, and honest, sometimes hilarious, discussions about modern life. With hosts Bert, Jeff, Jen, Wendy, and Joanna Rodriguez, the episode delivers a mix of humor and relatability, tackling topics from the FarmVille phenomenon and social gaming addictions, to deeper explorations of female insecurities and the perennial "nice guy" debate in dating. Throughout, the cast and callers keep the conversation candid, compelling, and peppered with memorable quotes.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. FarmVille & Social Gaming Addiction

(01:01 – 09:59)

• FarmVille Backlash: The team discusses the Facebook game FarmVille, its addictiveness, and the surprising amount of listener feedback—mostly complaints—about making fun of the game.
  • “I received more complaints in the past hour about making fun of Farmville than I have about you not being part of the show.” — Bert (01:09)
• Personal Anecdotes: Jeff admits he gets inundated with FarmVille invites, which only increases after mentioning he’s not interested.
  • “It’s like I’m a FarmVille virgin and somebody wants to take my virginity.” — Jeff (02:31)
• Extreme Behavior: The show recounts stories of people setting alarms in the middle of the night to tend to virtual crops or animals.
  • “I set an alarm. It is 1:32 right now in the morning on a Saturday…I stay up and play FarmVille. I have to check my farms, I can’t let my stuff wither away.” — FarmVille-addicted listener (03:02)
• Social Media Saturation: Jen mentions having to hide people on Facebook because her feed was overrun by FarmVille updates. The team finds humor in how mundane farming is in real life versus its online popularity.
• Other Addictive Games: Listener Katrina calls in to share her own obsession with games like Cafe World and Sorority Life, admitting the games are so addictive they affect her daily routine.
  • “I literally stay on my computer from sun up to sundown. I mean, I don’t go to bed till after midnight…And as soon as I wake up, I turn on the computer and play again.” — Katrina (07:02)
• Truck Drivers & Social Games: Another caller, William, shares how truck drivers pass time playing FarmVille and similar games during layovers.

2. Female Insecurity & Competitive Friendships

(11:11 – 22:00)

• Joanna’s Honesty: Joanna opens up about feeling intimidated by a friend’s “flawless” fiancé, confessing to superficial insecurity.
  • “She’s funny, she’s sweet, she’s beautiful, she’s everything that I’m not…she hits me in my biggest insecurities.” — Joanna (12:07, 14:19)
• Perceived Competition: The hosts challenge Joanna (and each other) on where this sense of competition comes from, particularly when both women are already in committed relationships.
  • “I don’t understand where the competition factor comes in…Jason loves you, he wants to marry you. His friend is in love with her, she wants to marry Jason’s friend. I don’t understand where the competition comes from.” — Jen (15:13)
• Cycle of Comparison: Joanna admits to putting the other woman on a pedestal, explaining it as a private mental competition—a feeling the hosts discuss as common, yet ultimately toxic.
  • “We’re always trying to knock the celebrity down so that we feel not as inferior to them. And that’s kind of like she to me. I haven’t found anything to knock her down with yet.” — Joanna (20:13)
• Objective Advice: The team encourages Joanna to seek genuine connection and to realize everyone has insecurities, not to “find flaws and expose them on the radio.”
• Male Perspective: Bert lightens the discussion, joking about male friendships not having such undercurrents and appreciating being “a dude.” (21:46)

Memorable Quotes:

• “Why don’t you make her your best friend?” — Bert (13:57)
• “It’s not that I’m competing with her. It’s just that…she hits me in my biggest insecurities.” — Joanna (14:19)
• “There’s room for everybody to be awesome and beautiful and cool and smart and all of the things that you’re intimidated by her about.” — Jen (20:50)

3. Dating & The ‘Too Nice Guy’ Dilemma

(22:35 – 43:43)

• ‘Too Nice’ as a Turnoff: Wendy discusses ending things with a man for being “overly nice” to the point of having no challenge or thrill—a sentiment echoed by other female hosts.
  • “Just overly giving stuff to me that I don’t really deserve.” — Wendy (23:17)
• The Role of Physical Attraction: Bert (and later Jen and Joanna) argue that how “sweet” and “giving” behavior is interpreted depends heavily on initial attraction.
  • “Good ugly guy…Oh my god, he's just so annoying. Good looking guy…Oh my god, I don't want to jinx it, but this guy is so sweet.” — Bert (24:02)
• The Friend Zone & Backbone: The co-hosts discuss the need for a balance between kindness and confidence, drawing a line between ‘truly nice’ (self-respecting, confident) and ‘too nice’ (insecure, eager to please).
  • “You want them to have their own life going on, their own confidence level and that kind of thing. Like, you can smell it a mile away.” — Jen (28:25)
• Listener Experiences: Multiple callers—male and female—chime in. Some defend being genuine and generous, others note that age and life stage affect how “niceness” is perceived.
  • “I think the ones, you’ve been through enough guys that are total jerks and who don’t do anything for you, you think, huh, I wonder if maybe having that guy that did a lot for me really meant something.” — Lauren (30:25)
  • “But when you just put everything out and show all your cards in the beginning, there’s nothing to figure out.” — Wendy (29:58)

Defining the ‘Nice Guy’: Blaine Batchelor’s Article

(34:08 – 39:32)

• Bert and Jeff read off and debate a list from columnist Blaine Batchelor, distinguishing a truly nice guy from a “too nice” guy. Key distinctions:
  • Truly nice: respectful to all, confident, has his own fulfilling life, attracts stable women.
  • Too nice: over-eager, people pleaser, often insecure, tries too hard to win affection through gestures.
  • “The truly nice guy treats everyone—his parents, the waiter, the woman he dates, and most importantly, himself—with respect. He radiates confidence…By contrast, the too nice guy…simply treats everyone all the time to drinks, dinners, you name it, always eager to please, even at the sake of his own needs or bank account.” — Jeff quoting Blaine Batchelor (34:29–35:17)

Gender & Age Factors

• The hosts contemplate if “niceness” is valued more as people mature, and whether being “too nice” is a bigger issue for 20-somethings compared to those in their 30s and beyond.
  • “If you would have met [your husband] when you were 22 years old…?” — Jeff (43:07)
  • “No, we had that talk, too. I dated a guy in my 20s that was a complete jerk. I probably wouldn’t have appreciated my husband as much.” — Lisa, caller (43:11)

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Notable Quotes & Moments with Timestamps

| Timestamp | Speaker & Quote | |-----------|----------------| | 01:09 | Bert: “I received more complaints in the past hour about making fun of Farmville than I have about you not being part of the show.” | | 02:31 | Jeff: “It’s like I’m a FarmVille virgin and somebody wants to take my virginity.” | | 03:02 | FarmVille-Addicted Listener: “I set an alarm. It is 1:32 right now in the morning on a Saturday…I stay up and play FarmVille.” | | 07:02 | Katrina, Caller: “I literally stay on my computer from sun up to sundown. I mean, I don’t go to bed till after midnight…And as soon as I wake up, I turn on the computer and play again.” | | 12:07 | Joanna: “She’s funny, she’s sweet, she’s beautiful, she’s everything that I’m not…” | | 14:19 | Joanna: “It’s not that I’m competing with her. It’s just that…she hits me in my biggest insecurities.” | | 15:13 | Jen: “I don’t understand where the competition factor comes in…Jason loves you, he wants to marry you…what are you competing for?” | | 20:13 | Joanna: “We’re always trying to knock the celebrity down so that we feel not as inferior to them. And…she to me…I haven’t found anything to knock her down with yet.” | | 21:46 | Bert: “So glad I’m a dude. I’m going to hug my testicles later today.” | | 24:02 | Bert: “Good ugly guy...Oh my god, he's just so annoying. Good looking guy...Oh my god, I don't want to jinx it, but this guy is so sweet.” | | 28:25 | Jen: “You want them to have their own life going on, their own confidence level and that kind of thing. Like, you can smell it a mile away.” | | 34:29 | Jeff (reading Blaine Batchelor): “The truly nice guy treats everyone, his parents, the waiter, the woman he dates, and most importantly, himself, with respect. He radiates confidence...By contrast, the too nice guy...simply treats everyone all the time...always eager to please...” | | 43:11 | Lisa, Caller: “No, we had that talk, too. I dated a guy in my 20s that was a complete jerk. I probably wouldn’t have appreciated my husband as much.” |

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Segment Timestamps

• FarmVille & Game Addiction: 01:01 – 09:59
• Female Insecurity & Competition: 11:11 – 22:00
• ‘Too Nice Guy’ Dating Debate: 22:35 – 43:43
• Age & Relationship Preferences: 43:00 – 43:43

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Tone & Style

The episode is authentic, fast-paced, and full of real talk and humor typical of The Bert Show. Banter is playful, sometimes teasing and self-deprecating, but always honest, making even vulnerable admissions engaging.

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Summary Conclusion

This episode encapsulates The Bert Show's signature style—blending the silly and the serious into compelling radio. From dissecting viral gaming fads to exploring genuine emotional insecurities and the complex landscape of modern dating, the cast and their listeners offer insights, laughter, and plenty of moments that hit close to home.

Fans of relatable, comedic, and unfiltered morning radio will find this episode a perfect microcosm of why The Bert Show has such devoted fans.

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Transcript

[Joanna Rodriguez]

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[Caller/Listener]

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[Joanna Rodriguez]

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[Host (Jeff)]

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[Co-host (Bert)]

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[Host (Jeff)]

So, Jeff, you haven't been in here when we've. We've been talking about farmville.

[Co-host (Bert)]

I don't want to be a part of it.

[Caller/Listener]

Why?

[Co-host (Wendy)]

Why not?

[Co-host (Bert)]

Because Bert sent me a text message. When? During my retirement and your sabbatical. Yeah. And. And he said this. We were going back and forth about something pro, most likely related to that. And he goes, well, the. Call me after dinner and stay humble with this. I received more complaints in the past hour about making fun of farmville than I have about you not being part of the show. And I thought that was funny. So I sent a tweet out that I said, just heard from Burt and more people are mad at them making fun of farmville than mad at me losing my edge or something like that. And I seriously had people either tweet back or write me and say, don't even. You know what? I was gonna forgive you cause you weren't there. But don't even hop on the making fun of farmville bandwagon because I checked and you don't even play. So I'm going to send you some roosters and then you'll get started.

[Co-host (Jen)]

I had to hide people on my Facebook page because all I was getting from them all the time was farmville.

[Host (Jeff)]

Correct. Their news feeds. Your news feed is being filled with all farmville updates. Yeah. This has had the exact opposite effect on what I wanted it to. And that was a couple of days ago I was saying I was getting invitation after invitation from people inviting me and us to play on farmville.

[Caller/Listener]

And.

[Host (Jeff)]

And I just straight up wanted to say, I just don't have the time. I don't want to do it. So please stop bugging me about farmville. And since I said that, the requests have more than tripled.

[Co-host (Jen)]

Are you serious?

[Host (Jeff)]

Like, it's a personal challenge. You know, it's like I'm a. I'm a farmville virgin and somebody wants to take my virginity. So it's been one after the other after the other after the other. And somebody pointed me to a couple of different links on YouTube from people that claim that they are addicted to Farmville. We've had some on that say they'll wake up at 1:30 in the morning, Jeff. They're setting their alarm to like 2:15 in the morning.

[Co-host (Bert)]

I've heard about people doing this to feed their animals or whatever so they

[Host (Jeff)]

can like harvest their crops or something

[Co-host (Jen)]

like that, water their plants or something.

[Co-host (Bert)]

So I would just like to say that the game FarmVille on Facebook is the most addicting game I have ever played in my entire life. I am on it hours out of the day. I set an alarm. It is. It is 1:32 right now in the morning on a Saturday, Saturday to Sunday. I am a teenage kid, teenager. I don't want my parents to find out that I'm playing farmville at one in the morning. I stay up and play farmville. I have to check my farms. I can't let my stuff wither away. I just. I sit there for hours harvesting my crops, deleting crops so I can add more. More buildings and decorations and all that crap. And it's a serious problem. I advise you stay away from farmville or you'll get addicted.

[Host (Jeff)]

You know, we were talking earlier this morning about the minutes that you could rack up, like on your deathbed. When you look back on the wasted time that you had in life watching reality TV shows.

[Caller/Listener]

How.

[Host (Jeff)]

How about the Farmville people? There are 80 million of them.

[Co-host (Jen)]

Well, yeah, I mean, I think anything that takes over your life like that and you stop participating in real life because you're participating in a game. Check yourself, because, remember we talked about the World of Warcraft people and all that kind of stuff. It just takes over.

[Host (Jeff)]

There are 80 million people on Farmville.

[Co-host (Bert)]

Is anyone else addicted to Farmville? I just find it so addictive. I have gotten a lot of coins. I mean, I could buy a barn, but I just don't want to because I want to buy the cottage. But I have 60,000. But I have to wait till I get to level 19 and right now I'm at level 13. I am addicted to Farmville. I have this other friend and they've been just a little bit ahead of me and now I'm literally this far behind them. And when I update my Farmville at exactly 2:15 they're not gonna see what hit him.

[Host (Jeff)]

Alright, I could only find one anti farmville video.

[Co-host (Jen)]

Okay.

[Host (Jeff)]

And the dude in the video looks like that 13 year old that you used to go to school with that was way too mature. Like had the full on beard and the zits and all that. But he was only like 13 years old.

[Co-host (Bert)]

Yeah, he's probably shaving. His dad was shaving him every night.

[Host (Jeff)]

Yes.

[Co-host (Bert)]

He couldn't use the razor himself.

[Host (Jeff)]

Like this is Chewbacca right here.

[Co-host (Bert)]

Guess what? My mini feed has been by farmville. That's right. It's been in the and all over the place. Because you know what? I don't really give a about Farm Mill. It's all over. I feel like all of my friends want me to join FarmVille and I'm so sick of it. You don't even know. Okay, first of all, what is so great about breeding like cyberpixel pets and farms? Like what? Farm animals? Whatever the. I don't care. Okay. Gardening is boring in the first place. But the fact of the matter is is that you're taking time out of your daily life to grow cyber plants is even more boring than growing plants themselves. I mean, what the is wrong with you people? I really like what. And I don't even say you people. I think that sounds so uneducated. But I mean like what the. What's so great about farmville? Please farmville, go away. I don't like you. So many people don't like you. Please leave.

[Host (Jeff)]

It really does seem like almost like a Simpsons parody that the whole world is playing a game of farming. When planting stuff is probably the most boring thing you could do in your real life that people are all excited about it online.

[Co-host (Bert)]

It makes.

[Co-host (Jen)]

Do you think real farmers are offended? Probably. Oh, you think it's so easy to harvest crops you just click a couple of buttons?

[Co-host (Bert)]

Oh yeah, you got to get up at 2 in the morning to go to sit at your computer. I have to get up 2 in the morning to go birth a calf.

[Host (Jeff)]

Hey Katrina. Good morning.

[Caller/Listener]

Good morning. Hi Berto. I love you guys.

[Host (Jeff)]

Thank you.

[Caller/Listener]

I just wanted to comment. I don't play farmville but I do play Cafe World and Tiki Farm and Sorority Life. And those games are very addicting. I literally stay on my computer from sun up to sundown. I mean, I don't go to bed till after midnight knowing I have to be up at 7 in the morning. And as soon as I wake up, I turn on the computer and play again. As soon as I get to work, I'm playing. It's really addicting.

[Host (Jeff)]

And what are the two games that you're playing?

[Caller/Listener]

I play Cafe World. Sorority Life. And Tiki Farm is a new game. And it's like farmville, where you have to harvest your crops, but. But it's kind of like a Hawaiian. Like a Hawaiian island, but you have to harvest your crops and the things grow in real time. So you actually have to time when they're like, be ready to, like, the cafe where you have to take food off the stove and harvest your crops and Tiki Farm. So it's really addicting. I could be at the store and I actually will run home to go because I might have to remember that I need to harvest a crop or take food off.

[Co-host (Wendy)]

That's crazy.

[Host (Jeff)]

Yeah. Let's back up for one second and focus on this sorority thing you're talking about. What's that one all about? Sorority world.

[Co-host (Jen)]

What's the sorority lab?

[Caller/Listener]

Sorority life. It's like a collection of, like, people can get on there to kind of chat. And it's mostly about, like, clothing and doing socializing events. They have something like on campus, off campus events, vacation events, and basically you can fight other rival sorority houses. And that's the most addicting part, because when you fight someone, you can take money from them. So. And the most money you can win in a fight is $70,000. And that kind of gives you high when you kind of beat people and take all their money.

[Host (Jeff)]

Definitely the different kind of sorority life than I would have programmed.

[Co-host (Jen)]

You were hoping for small pillow fights. That's funny.

[Host (Jeff)]

William, go ahead. You're on Q100.

[Caller/Listener]

Hey, good morning, y'. All. Love y'. All.

[Host (Jeff)]

Thank you, sir.

[Caller/Listener]

Yeah, what it is, is I used to be a truck driver, and they were. They were play it while they're in their truck. They'll get on the CB saying, y' all are in here. We'll buddy up and play it religiously.

[Co-host (Bert)]

So truck drivers would play Farmville on the road?

[Caller/Listener]

Well, no, what they'll do is they'll get laid over. Like, I was down in Miami, and I got laid over two days because I had a load of cabbage and I was in the truck stop and they were getting on the CB saying, man, this is great. You know, if y' all go to Farmville and do their thing. I was. I got into the Warcraft.

[Co-host (Bert)]

All right, now, William, help me out here. So did you have a real truck with real cabbage in it?

[Caller/Listener]

No, no, I had a. I drove an 18 wheeler. You know what they call a refrigerated trailer that had a load of cabbage. And Kroger was one of the places that I went to. And they, they. When they offload your truck, they literally put it straight into the stores. And I had to wait because there was two trucks in front of me.

[Host (Jeff)]

Okay, gotcha. Okay, so in between lot lizards, you're playing. Those guys are playing.

[Caller/Listener]

Yeah, they. But yeah, they. They literally just stay in those truck stops and play that.

[Host (Jeff)]

Gotcha. Thank you, sir.

[Joanna Rodriguez]

Huh.

[Co-host (Jen)]

Wow.

[Co-host (Wendy)]

I got lost there.

[Co-host (Bert)]

One question too many.

[Host (Jeff)]

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[Joanna Rodriguez]

Hey, everybody.

[Co-host (Jen)]

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[Joanna Rodriguez]

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[Host (Jeff)]

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[Co-host (Jen)]

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[Host (Jeff)]

hey, the bird show. Joanna Rodriguez is back.

[Co-host (Jen)]

Joanna.

[Host (Jeff)]

What's up, Joe? Ro.

[Joanna Rodriguez]

I'm a little hesitant to talk about this because I just don't want people to judge me and think that I'm

[Host (Jeff)]

like, it's too late for that, honey.

[Co-host (Jen)]

You're on the radio. Yeah, it comes with the territory.

[Host (Jeff)]

It's a little bit like being on the reality TV show and saying, I want to try to keep my private life private. Yeah, you're on the radio. People are going to judge you.

[Co-host (Jen)]

People will judge you.

[Host (Jeff)]

They just judged you on you saying that you didn't want to be judged.

[Joanna Rodriguez]

It's over.

[Co-host (Bert)]

It's not so much judging as it is just a critique.

[Joanna Rodriguez]

Okay. It's a nice way to put It. Much better.

[Host (Jeff)]

What did you call it a couple of years ago? We weren't criticizing. We were evaluating. They're just evaluating your material.

[Co-host (Bert)]

Yeah, we're just evaluating your situation. We're not judging it.

[Joanna Rodriguez]

Okay, well, evaluate, if you will, my situation with.

[Co-host (Bert)]

Oh, my God, you're a skank.

[Joanna Rodriguez]

So. Okay. Jason has a really big group of friends.

[Host (Jeff)]

For those of you that don't know, Jason is the not fiance.

[Joanna Rodriguez]

The not fiance.

[Co-host (Jen)]

The boyfriend.

[Joanna Rodriguez]

Exactly. Two years, and he has a really great big group of friends, and he still keeps in touch with them. Well, one friend in particular has a fiance who is just perfect. Perfect in every way, shape and form.

[Host (Jeff)]

You've talked about this girl before.

[Joanna Rodriguez]

Yeah, I have. This is the girl that we wouldn't invite to go rafting because she's too pretty and all my friends would be too intimidated to wear a bathing suit around her.

[Host (Jeff)]

All right, when you say all my friends would be intimidated, were you the one that spearheaded the charge to keep her out of that group?

[Joanna Rodriguez]

I wouldn't say I was at the head of. I wasn't the leader, but I definitely took, you know, took place in that parade.

[Host (Jeff)]

Somebody suggested she. Don't be. She's not invited on that trip. And you just sort of ran with it.

[Joanna Rodriguez]

It was just. If she goes, I'm not going. And so. And, you know, I want my friends to be there. Well, my thing with her.

[Co-host (Jen)]

Is she not a nice person?

[Joanna Rodriguez]

No, that's the thing. Like, she's so sweet. And when I say she's perfect, I'm talking about she's funny, she's sweet, she's beautiful, she's everything that I'm not. I'm not gonna say I'm not a pretty girl, but this girl is, like, supermodel beautiful. She's tall. I'm not tall. She's blonde. I'm not blonde.

[Host (Jeff)]

She's sweet.

[Joanna Rodriguez]

She's sweet. I'm not sweet. She has a great. She has a great career. You know, she. And I'm not saying I don't have a great career, but I'm just getting started in my career. She's in the middle of it and

[Co-host (Bert)]

in crappy industry, but go with it. You're doing fine.

[Joanna Rodriguez]

Yeah, I'm great. So.

[Co-host (Wendy)]

So.

[Joanna Rodriguez]

And, you know, she's engaged. I'm not engaged.

[Co-host (Jen)]

And you know this girl intimidates you.

[Joanna Rodriguez]

Intimidates the crap out of me. And I just don't. I'm just really hesitant. We're going snowboarding with them this weekend. We're staying at her apartment. I'm just really not looking forward to this weekend at all. And I hate saying that because it sounds so superficial and.

[Co-host (Bert)]

Why don't you make her your best friend?

[Caller/Listener]

Huh?

[Co-host (Bert)]

Make her your best friend.

[Joanna Rodriguez]

I don't really want to make her my best friend.

[Host (Jeff)]

Why would Joanna have a best friend that would outshine Joanna? You don't do that.

[Co-host (Bert)]

Why not?

[Host (Jeff)]

Because you just don't.

[Co-host (Bert)]

I do.

[Co-host (Jen)]

I think Joanna feels like she's constantly being compared to her.

[Joanna Rodriguez]

It's not that I'm. I'm comparing myself. I'm comparing myself because.

[Co-host (Jen)]

Do you do that always with other women?

[Joanna Rodriguez]

No, I think with her, I just feel like she hits me in my biggest insecurities. Which is, you know, her overall, her. She's. She hits me.

[Host (Jeff)]

Offend you? Offend me. Because you're you.

[Co-host (Jen)]

Yes.

[Co-host (Wendy)]

Do you know a lot about her? Like personality wise?

[Joanna Rodriguez]

I mean. Yeah, I mean, she's. I know as far as, like, she's a nice person and she's very funny. She cracks me up all the time, which is horrible because I'm the funny one, not her.

[Host (Jeff)]

You know, she's got looks and humor on you.

[Co-host (Bert)]

Yeah.

[Joanna Rodriguez]

And heights. I mean, it's just flawless. I cannot express you how flawless this girl is.

[Co-host (Jen)]

I'm just confused where the competition comes in. Because if for some reason you guys were going on a girls weekend and you guys were going to all go out and try to hook up, like, I might understand being intimidated because all the guys are gonna like her or wanna get her number or whatever it is. But you guys are on a couple's weekend. She's engaged to one of Jason's friends. You're about to be engaged to Jason in the next two years.

[Host (Jeff)]

At least allegedly.

[Co-host (Jen)]

I'm just kidding. In the next couple of months or whatever it's going to be. So we're talking about like two couples that should be on very level playing field, that can form a friendship. And this may be somebody that's in your life for a really long time. If you and Jason get married and he's really close to this guy, like, I don't understand where the competition factor comes in. Because Jason loves you, he wants to marry you. His friend is in love with her, she wants to marry Jason's friend. She's not after your guy. I don't understand where the competition comes from.

[Joanna Rodriguez]

I don't understand either. It's just this weird competition that I have in my head.

[Co-host (Bert)]

I know where it comes from.

[Caller/Listener]

Where?

[Co-host (Bert)]

Let me answer that question. Ask Joanna. Okay, here's the problem. See, you Know what? This girl is perfect. She's so perfect. And I'm Joanna. I'm the star of the show. Everywhere I go, it's me. Like, look at how cute I am. Like, when I have my hair long, people are like, oh, my God, you're so beautiful. When I cut my hair short, people are like, oh, my God, look how good you look with short hair. Look at me. Look at everything about me. God, I am funny. People like me. People are supposed to be intimidated by me. And now I go there, and this girl is getting attention. She's pretty and she's funny. Like, I mean, I hung out with Michelle, and Michelle was really pretty and she was really tall, but she wasn't funny. I mean, I let her think she was. That way she would stay around, but she wasn't. This girl I don't have any control over. She's with a guy who I don't like. I can't kick her out because it's Jason's friend. It's not my friend. I usually kick out people who are better than me.

[Host (Jeff)]

Are you nervous that you're not gonna be the center of attention and she is?

[Joanna Rodriguez]

No, not at all. No. Honestly, that is not my thing.

[Co-host (Bert)]

Oh, my God. Honestly, yes, it is.

[Joanna Rodriguez]

No, I'm just telling you, she hits on in my insecurities, which. She's tall, she's blonde, she has a great career, she's engaged. Like, all the things that are just not.

[Host (Jeff)]

I mean, she's got it all.

[Joanna Rodriguez]

She's got it all.

[Co-host (Wendy)]

She could be looking at you the same way, hitting on your short. You're cute. You've got brown hair, beautiful hair, beautiful eyes, you're naturally pretty. You've got a great relationship.

[Co-host (Bert)]

She got a natural rack, or did she have to buy hers, too?

[Joanna Rodriguez]

She. She purchased hers, too, all right, in

[Co-host (Wendy)]

the same situation as you are, but hers cost more.

[Host (Jeff)]

Hey, Mark. Good Morning. You're on Q100.

[Caller/Listener]

Hey. Hey, guys. I love your show.

[Host (Jeff)]

Thank you.

[Caller/Listener]

It just seems like, you know, you're projecting all of your on this girl. People with straight hair want curly hair. People with curly hair want straight hair. You know, maybe this girl wants to be more like you and you're preventing this friendship, you know, with all of your insecurities.

[Host (Jeff)]

Exactly what Wendy was saying there, except she didn't use the S bomb.

[Co-host (Wendy)]

I try not to curse on the radio.

[Host (Jeff)]

I think it's funny. That dude, he never even realized he cussed on the radio. Just kept going for it.

[Co-host (Wendy)]

But I think if you just got to know her and maybe Started that sort of bond and just get to feel her out. She may have the same type of insecurities, and you might find that out,

[Joanna Rodriguez]

seek out her flaws.

[Co-host (Bert)]

Yeah.

[Co-host (Wendy)]

Okay, well, everybody has their own flaws and their own insecurities. So if you dig deeper and get to know her a little bit better, then maybe you'll figure that out.

[Host (Jeff)]

You need to find her weak point, her flaw.

[Joanna Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Host (Jeff)]

And totally she's.

[Co-host (Wendy)]

Press on it.

[Host (Jeff)]

Right. And work on her.

[Joanna Rodriguez]

Find her flaws and expose them on the radio.

[Co-host (Jen)]

I think you just gotta let it go.

[Co-host (Bert)]

Yes.

[Joanna Rodriguez]

And you know what? It doesn't help that my group of friends feel the same way I do about this girl. And we're constantly like, she's perfect. There's no way you're gonna compete with the perfection that is.

[Co-host (Jen)]

What's a competition? Who are you competing with and why? What for? What are you competing for?

[Joanna Rodriguez]

I don't know.

[Co-host (Jen)]

Being the best in the whole wide world at whatever.

[Co-host (Wendy)]

I don't know.

[Co-host (Bert)]

I am the princess. I am the greatest girl ever to leave the country in Mexico.

[Joanna Rodriguez]

Have you never met. Have you never met another girl that you're just like, wow, that girl just really has everything. She's so perfect. And, like, it's not that I'm competing with her. It's just that.

[Co-host (Jen)]

And I think that that perfection thing is dangerous because she's not perfect. She's a human being, just like you are. And she's probably got all kinds of insecurities and things she's not sure about, just like you are. But you're sort of putting her on this pedestal, and you're sort of creating this mock competition that doesn't exist. Like, there are other women in the world that, like, you can say are amazing and talented and beautiful. That doesn't take away from what you are.

[Host (Jeff)]

Is this something that you had to work on? Because you. You certainly speak freely about it.

[Co-host (Wendy)]

Think everyone.

[Co-host (Jen)]

I mean, I don't think that I've really. I don't think I've had to work on that.

[Co-host (Bert)]

Wendy has.

[Co-host (Wendy)]

Oh.

[Joanna Rodriguez]

I mean, you all.

[Co-host (Wendy)]

I. Well, I can't. I compare myself to other people. And you want to be as good as the next girl. And I go getter and the best of the best. And I can see where Joanna's insecurity plays in. You just want to be as good as the next girl. And if not greater than the next girl.

[Co-host (Jen)]

Any competition, like, inside of a competition, I can get that. Right. Like, if you're both going for the same job.

[Co-host (Wendy)]

Right.

[Co-host (Jen)]

Like, Wendy, you're up for A new job with somebody else. Yes. I get the fierce competition, sizing her up, whatever. Because there's a goal, right? There's something that you're in both in competition for or for a guy or for whatever else. I understand there's inherent competition there, but what Joanna's talking about is just life. Like, who's winning in life? Like. And that doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever.

[Joanna Rodriguez]

But don't you think that's what we do with celebrities, though? We're constantly comparing ourselves to a celebrity, and the difference is, like, we see a beautiful celebrity, and we're like, oh, well, like Megan Fox. We think she's beautiful. We think she's perfect. Oh, but she's got that tattoo on her arm that knocks her down. We're always trying to knock the celebrity down so that we feel not as inferior to them. And that's kind of like she to me. Like, I. I haven't found anything to knock her down with yet.

[Host (Jeff)]

But why do you have to.

[Joanna Rodriguez]

I don't know. I do that with celebrities. I think all females do that.

[Host (Jeff)]

So knocking some. The only way to make you feel better about you, then, is by knocking somebody else down in my own head. Okay.

[Co-host (Jen)]

I guess I think if you can change the way that you think about it and realize there's room for everybody to be awesome and beautiful and cool and smart and all of the things that you're intimidated by her about and that you are those same things. Like, I think you'll feel better than you will if you knock her down.

[Host (Jeff)]

If I hear you clearly, what you're saying is you don't mind that there are other women that are beautiful, have great senses of humor, have a great job. You just don't want them to have a sense of humor that's better than yours, better looking than you, and have a better job than you. You want to be top tier.

[Joanna Rodriguez]

I mean, I guess. I guess that's my personality is that I want to be the best and the. And the best out there. I don't think I'm not pretty. I just think she's prettier. I don't think.

[Co-host (Bert)]

Do you have a picture of her?

[Caller/Listener]

She.

[Joanna Rodriguez]

You can see her on my Facebook.

[Co-host (Bert)]

Okay.

[Host (Jeff)]

I would like to see this. I want to see this flex. Show us the flawless woman.

[Co-host (Jen)]

Yes.

[Host (Jeff)]

Bring me this flawless woman. But I do think that it is. It's really honest that a lot of women compete with other women. They don't even know they're in competition with them.

[Co-host (Bert)]

So glad I'm a dude. I'm going to hug my testicles later today.

[Host (Jeff)]

Save that.

[Co-host (Wendy)]

Save.

[Co-host (Bert)]

I can't even fathom me.

[Host (Jeff)]

If you're not too tired afterwards, you could. You could do that to me too.

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[Co-host (Bert)]

Get it The Bird show so I

[Co-host (Wendy)]

think I sort of stopped talking slash dating this one guy because he was too nice. And like the door's still kind of open that I could go back, but I don't think I want to just because he is overly nice.

[Host (Jeff)]

Like, can we define what overly nice is?

[Co-host (Jen)]

Okay, we can define with examples.

[Co-host (Wendy)]

Too nice would be if I wanted to go somewhere, if I wanted something. He'd be like, let me get that for you or let me do that for you. Just kind of being a pushover sort of. Does that make any sense?

[Host (Jeff)]

Like he would go out of his way. Like go out of his way. Like if you said you need something at Home Depot, he's like, oh, there's a Home Depot right down the street.

[Caller/Listener]

Right.

[Co-host (Wendy)]

My sister was in town, wanted to go to a bathroom basketball game. And I was like, it'd be really fun to take my sister this basketball game. I don't know if I have time. He's like, I'll get tickets for it

[Co-host (Bert)]

and I'll do it. I'll do it.

[Co-host (Wendy)]

And he got tickets for it, which is really sweet and nice, but you didn't have to. I mean, it's just, oh, like just overly giving stuff to me that I, I don't really deserve.

[Co-host (Jen)]

Maybe one of those. Well, you do deserve nice things, but maybe like one of those things is a really nice gesture. But it's when it's like over and over and over and over again, it's overkill.

[Co-host (Wendy)]

And that's what this guy's sort of like. So I kind of had to stop talking to him, texting him, anything.

[Host (Jeff)]

Was he, was he a good looking dude? Were you physically attracted to him?

[Co-host (Jen)]

Yes.

[Co-host (Wendy)]

Yeah. Kind of.

[Host (Jeff)]

Ish.

[Co-host (Bert)]

He wasn't that good looking because I was that good looking then. Oh my God, he's the sweetest guy Ever. My sister wanted to go. Here are the two hours.

[Host (Jeff)]

This is exactly gonna be my point.

[Co-host (Bert)]

Yeah, good. Ugly guy. Oh, my God, he's just so annoying. Yeah, he is. Ugly guy. Oh, my God. My sister wanted to go to a basketball game, so he totally went out and he got her tickets. And I was like, dude, you don't have to spend money on me. Good looking guy. Oh, my God, you guys, I don't want to jinx it, but this guy is so sweet. My sister just casually mentioned she wanted to go to a basketball game and he actually charted a plane.

[Caller/Listener]

He flew us.

[Co-host (Bert)]

The Hawks were actually playing in Boston and so he charted a plane. We flew into Boston, we stated that there's a Four Seasons there. So nice. It's right there in Newbury Street. It's beautiful.

[Co-host (Jen)]

With your example, he would be rich and hot. Right? And nice.

[Host (Jeff)]

No, no, he totally extended himself.

[Co-host (Bert)]

Yeah, he ran. He's got. He used up his debit card and then went to the emergency only visa that mom gave him and maxed it out and. Oh my God, I know he went overboard, but he's just so sweet.

[Host (Jeff)]

So doesn't it boil down to, like, attraction? Like, if you thought the stew was really hot, that could be. That could be interpreted as really a gesture of, I mean, being really sweet and caring and considerate.

[Co-host (Wendy)]

Well, it's. It's nice and caring and I appreciate everything, but I think when you just give something, there's nothing to really work for. Like, you feel like you sort of need to earn something or I don't. I don't know how to put it into work.

[Co-host (Jen)]

Like he didn't have any game.

[Caller/Listener]

Right?

[Host (Jeff)]

Right.

[Co-host (Jen)]

Like there wasn't any sort of a challenge there.

[Co-host (Wendy)]

I could just have it.

[Host (Jeff)]

So dudes are listening and they're hearing mixed messages because you can't. Women constantly say, I'm looking for a guy that doesn't play games. Just be real with. So a guy is real. And now you're saying play games when

[Co-host (Jen)]

it's so over the top, like, that you feel like it could be towards anyone. Like, that you're not necessarily, like, special. Like if they dated anyone at this moment, they would be going, like, overboard because there's this sort of like desperation sense or whatever. So doesn't make it feel like as special because, I don't know, there's just

[Co-host (Wendy)]

like they could do it for any

[Co-host (Jen)]

person that they're dating us about it a little bit. Right.

[Co-host (Wendy)]

And just push over. I want to kind of like earn something and work for something or have something to, like, go after rather than just have it all there in front of.

[Co-host (Jen)]

And you want them to be, like, confident and have their own life going on and not, like, you know, obsessed with your life.

[Host (Jeff)]

Hey, Anthony. Good morning. You're part of the Burt Show.

[Caller/Listener]

Hey, how you doing?

[Host (Jeff)]

Good. How are you?

[Co-host (Bert)]

How you doing?

[Caller/Listener]

All right.

[Co-host (Bert)]

How's the situation?

[Host (Jeff)]

What's up?

[Caller/Listener]

I get that all the time. Too nice about people telling me that I'm too nice.

[Co-host (Jen)]

What kind of things have you done where you feel like you've made the mistakes?

[Caller/Listener]

Oh, I try to cater to the. To everyone just be polite, you know, if they want to do something, I do it. And I get all the women all the time telling me that I need to be less nice.

[Host (Jeff)]

Comes to didn't. Didn't. When we talked about this before, when both y' all were dating nice guys, wasn't the word that you kept coming up. Backbone. Like, if a dude doesn't show a

[Co-host (Wendy)]

backbone, well, you kind of want a man's man. Somebody like you want a guy. You don't want someone just to be like, your girlfriend. Like, you're one of your best friends. It's like when guys want a girl, but you want to go chase after them, and you don't want the one that's available right away. You want the one that's harder to pursue. It's the same as girls. Girls want to do a little bit of the work and a little bit of the challenge, too. We just don't want it right there all the time.

[Host (Jeff)]

So you are saying you are endorsing playing games a little bit at the beginning?

[Co-host (Wendy)]

Yeah, you kind of have to, in order to establish something.

[Co-host (Bert)]

Save that. Seb's gonna come back.

[Host (Jeff)]

Hey, Amy. Good morning. You're on Q100.

[Caller/Listener]

Hey. I completely agree with what she's saying about you don't want guys that will run and do anything in the world for you because it's like they're just trying to buy you.

[Host (Jeff)]

So is there any point at the relationship that you want that, like, let's say you get through the game playing phase, Right? Then all of a sudden, do you want a guy that's gonna, like, be there for you all the time, or should he maintain what he showed you initially?

[Caller/Listener]

Well, I mean, he needs to be there for you, but that doesn't mean every time you say, I want something to go buy it, because then it's kind of like, well, is he just trying to buy me, or is there something there? I mean, if they just want to

[Co-host (Jen)]

set you, I'VE never dated a guy like that. Like the buying thing, like, buys you everything. Like if you mention you want something and then they go buy it for you. I've never experienced.

[Co-host (Wendy)]

Well, that's how this kind of was.

[Co-host (Jen)]

Oh, really?

[Co-host (Wendy)]

Yeah. I'd mention one thing and then it would be there.

[Host (Jeff)]

I think that's a really considerate guy.

[Co-host (Jen)]

It's a two eagerness. That's the right words for it. It's a too eagerness. Like you want somebody to enjoy spending time with you and be thoughtful and nice when you're with them, but not being like too overly eager about it. There's some. Some sort of desperation in that. And you guys would say the same thing about a girl. She was too eager to, you know, to spend time with you or text you back immediately or call you back immediately or like always available, at your beck and call or whatever. It's too eager. You want a girl to be like, yeah, I can't do it right now, but maybe later. Or, you know, you want them to have their own life going on, their own confidence level and that kind of thing. Like, you can smell it a mile away.

[Host (Jeff)]

Have you guys seen the movie all about Steve?

[Co-host (Wendy)]

No.

[Host (Jeff)]

Sandra Bullock and that Brandon Cooper dude that you love so much.

[Co-host (Jen)]

Bradley Cooper.

[Host (Jeff)]

Bradley Cooper, yeah. You should go check that out. That's exactly what this is all about, really. Hey, Nikki, good Morning. You're on Q100.

[Caller/Listener]

Hey, guys. Good morning. I wanted to say, you know, I love Wendy, love Jen, but I think that you guys are way off on this one because this is probably why you're single. Please don't take it the wrong way, but I've had girlfriends that five years later, two years later, they talk about the one guy, you know, he was really sweet to me, but they took it as weakness. And, you know, when you get to an age where you're not in high school, some people just don't want to play games. Some guys are tired of being single. He's like, you know what? I'm going to put it on out there, who I am. And it's either you like it or you don't. I just think sometimes we read more into it. If you're not into the person, then you're going to nitpick at every little thing, particularly him being too nice. Yeah.

[Co-host (Wendy)]

I think in the beginning, though, there is a little bit of game playing with any relationship you get involved in, and that's normal, and that's just how it goes. That's how relationships work, and that's how they start. But when you just put everything out and show all your cards in the beginning, there's nothing to figure out.

[Host (Jeff)]

Hey, Lauren, good Morning. You're on Q100.

[Caller/Listener]

Hi. I just wanted to say that I think that Bert made a very intuitive comment a few minutes ago.

[Host (Jeff)]

Well, that's why you're on the radio.

[Caller/Listener]

Desire a certain thing at a certain time. And I think the ones you've been through enough. Guys that are total jerks and who don't do anything for you. You think, huh? I wonder if maybe having that guy that did a lot for me really meant something.

[Host (Jeff)]

Yeah, I wonder if you work through a whole bunch of these tool dudes. If you look back at the ticket getting guy and you're like, man, that might have been the one that got away.

[Co-host (Wendy)]

I've been through a couple of tools. I would like a nice guy.

[Co-host (Bert)]

She's got a whole toolbox at home.

[Co-host (Jen)]

Nice guys are awesome. Nice guys are great.

[Co-host (Wendy)]

The game, they still have to have a little bit of aggressiveness and a little bit of game playing going on. That's just how life is and that's how, that's what, what people want. Whether you're a guy girl.

[Co-host (Jen)]

Confidence. It's about a confidence level and not being over eagle over eager. If he could balance that out with the thoughtful things, you'd be still into him.

[Co-host (Wendy)]

Absolutely. I agree with that.

[Host (Jeff)]

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[Caller/Listener]

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[Co-host (Bert)]

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[Co-host (Bert)]

Listen, it's the vert show.

[Host (Jeff)]

So when he revealed to us yesterday she was dating this nice guy, she sort of dumped him because he was too nice.

[Co-host (Wendy)]

Yeah. I mean too nice in the way like pushover nice. Like anything I said that, that I wanted, I, I could have. If I said I wanted to go to this game, he would get us tickets just out of random, which is really nice. But sometimes you just don't want to see someone's full deck of cards. You want to kind of have the game and some sort of mystery and something to figure out because I think when you learn too much too fast, there's just Nothing to look forward to.

[Host (Jeff)]

And I think Jeff and I determined yesterday that the too nice guy that Wendy dumped she probably wasn't physically attracted to because the conversation is very different. If he's totally hot and he goes out and he gets you tickets to a game that you. You barely even mention to him, and he's really hot and you're attracted to him, all of a sudden he's this hot, sweet guy. But since you're not physically attracted to him, he's sort of too nice.

[Co-host (Wendy)]

No, he was definitely a cute guy. And we had fun when we went, but I mean, it's just. It was just too much, like too fast, too available. Too available and not anything to look forward to besides the same thing. The same thing, the same thing.

[Co-host (Bert)]

Unless he looked like the situation from Jersey Shore. Then you're like, well, I look forward

[Host (Jeff)]

to his abs right now. Joanna, you're not. Fiance is a really nice guy.

[Joanna Rodriguez]

Jason is a typical, very nice guy. And actually it's funny that you mention that because when we first started dating, we went out with. Well, when I first met him, I was with a good friend of mine, and she happened to mention that her favorite band at the time or her favorite music artist was Feist. And this was when Feist was really big. On our very first date, Jason says that he bought me and my friend and him tickets to go see Feis very first date. Awesome. On our very first date.

[Caller/Listener]

And he.

[Joanna Rodriguez]

Because he heard it in conversation. Well, I couldn't go because I already had plans, but because Jason's a good looking guy, I was like, this guy is so sweet. Now, had he been so so or mediocre, I don't think I would have thought that was as sweet.

[Host (Jeff)]

It's a little creepy then. If you're not as attracted and he's that aggressive about it, then it's a little creepy.

[Co-host (Jen)]

It's all based on words.

[Joanna Rodriguez]

I hate to say that, but I think it's tr.

[Host (Jeff)]

I think it is too, man.

[Co-host (Wendy)]

Everything was great. I went on the first date and it was amazing and over the top, which was awesome. And I had a good time and I gave him another chance and another chance and another chance, and it just became overwhelmingly too much.

[Host (Jeff)]

All right, so let's assume that you're going out with a guy that's a fairly decent guy and you're attracted to him. This is probably for guys more than it is for women here, because here's the definition. Okay. And Blaine Batchelor did a great job on this article. I think this is From a couple of years ago in Sunday paper. And she defines what a truly nice guy is from a guy that's too nice. All right.

[Co-host (Wendy)]

Okay.

[Host (Jeff)]

The truly nice guy treats everyone, his parents, the waiter, the woman he dates, and most importantly, himself, with respect. He radiates confidence. He leads a rich, satisfying life and is eager to share it with his romantic interest. As a result, he attracts similarly stable, confident women and sustains healthy, fulfilling relationships. By contrast, the too nice guy, like the aforementioned, simply treats everyone all the time to drinks, dinners, you name it. Because he's always eager to please. Even at the sake of his own needs or bank account. He oozes insecurity. He might have a life, but more often than not, he needs to get one. As a result, he never attracts stable, confident women for the long term and chalks up his failed relationships to women's skewed mentality.

[Co-host (Wendy)]

Yeah, I could definitely see that. I mean, confidence is a pretty big key when that and I think uber eagerness and too nice of a guy definitely goes hand in hand.

[Host (Jeff)]

So the two nice guys basically saying, this isn't on me. I'm such a nice guy. This is on insecure women because they're not ready for a guy like me. Whereas the truly nice guy is just nice to everybody all the time. And he's not going out of his way. He's not acting. That's what he really is.

[Joanna Rodriguez]

Right? Because he's just truly a nice guy. Mm.

[Host (Jeff)]

Here are some more characteristics of the truly nice guy versus the too nice guy. Truly nice guys don't feel the need to advertise their outstanding character. Two nice guys wear their nice guy title as a badge of martyrdom.

[Co-host (Jen)]

How do they do that? Then I wonder what's an example of

[Host (Jeff)]

wearing it as a badge as martyrdom? So when the woman isn't attracted to them, they wear it like, I'm such a nice guy. That's why women won't date me.

[Co-host (Jen)]

I think you're right.

[Co-host (Bert)]

They all think I'm their brother.

[Host (Jeff)]

Right?

[Co-host (Bert)]

Right.

[Co-host (Jen)]

I'm always in the friend zone.

[Co-host (Bert)]

Yeah.

[Co-host (Jen)]

Yeah.

[Host (Jeff)]

Truly nice guys appreciate the objects of their desire, too. Nice guys worship them.

[Co-host (Jen)]

Oh, yeah, that is a big difference.

[Co-host (Bert)]

Say it again.

[Host (Jeff)]

Truly nice guys appreciate the objects of their desire. And two nice guys worship them too much.

[Co-host (Bert)]

The object of desire being the woman.

[Host (Jeff)]

Right. Truly nice guys never pretend to be someone they're not just for the sake of getting the girl. By contrast, two nice guys, when they're frustrated about their lack of romantic success, threaten to become a bad boy and treat women like rubbish in hopes of changing their fortunes. The first American woman ever actually to use that word,

[Co-host (Bert)]

rubbish.

[Host (Jeff)]

You know what she's trying to say there?

[Co-host (Wendy)]

Yeah, I don't even. But I don't even think like uber nice guys are capable of being anything bad because they just want to please all the time and that's all they do. So I don't know if they're like,

[Host (Jeff)]

you can't even act like it because it's such a foreign concept.

[Co-host (Wendy)]

You can try, but I don't think it truly comes off as a bad boy.

[Co-host (Jen)]

And I think what she's saying there too is two nice guys, maybe it's not being genuine and they want to just flip it, you know, but the real nice guy, it's just a genuine niceness and they, they would never think about flipping it because that's just who they are.

[Host (Jeff)]

And to a point where he won't get walked on. Where the two nice guy gets walked on all the time and then gets frustrated with it. Right. A truly nice guy looks for a woman who will respect him subconsciously or not too nice guy looks for a woman who will control him.

[Co-host (Bert)]

Oh.

[Co-host (Wendy)]

Oh, that's a good one.

[Caller/Listener]

Why is that?

[Co-host (Wendy)]

I could see that because of insecurity maybe and lack of confidence. So a woman can easy like easel more easily control them than they can her.

[Co-host (Jen)]

They're looking for somebody to tell them what to do.

[Joanna Rodriguez]

Right.

[Host (Jeff)]

Truly nice guys never waste their time chasing mindless arm candy catchers. Two nice guys, however, shower them with drinks, dinners and diamonds only to watch these predators slink away to their next two nice guy target when they're restless and ready for another ego stroke or free ride, which is a little bit what you saw with the ticket dude.

[Co-host (Wendy)]

I mean, anything you want. They're easy to please. I mean, that's about it.

[Joanna Rodriguez]

He wants to buy your love on

[Co-host (Bert)]

the wings of love.

[Host (Jeff)]

Truly nice guys are fundamentally happy with themselves. Two nice guys are fundamentally insecure.

[Co-host (Jen)]

I would agree with that because it is, it's a fundamental difference. I mean, I think that if you're too nice, you're insecure and you're overdoing these things to sort of make up for your insecurity. If you're truly nice, then it's just who you are. This is genuinely who you are. And you're gonna be that way to the co worker in the office. You're gonna be that way to, you know, the people that are your next door neighbors and you're going to be that way to the people that you date.

[Joanna Rodriguez]

Right. And that's what she was saying just

[Co-host (Jen)]

to the girls that you date, and then you treat other people differently. Does that make sense?

[Host (Jeff)]

Yeah. And truly nice guys never finish last. Two nice guys who endlessly mope and whine about never getting the girls include the scores of available truly nice ones who are also out there in the dating race always lose.

[Co-host (Jen)]

Come again. One more time.

[Caller/Listener]

Again.

[Host (Jeff)]

Basically saying that the truly nice guy never finished last, and the two nice guys always finish last because they sort

[Co-host (Jen)]

of just trying too hard, taps into that insecurity again.

[Host (Jeff)]

Right.

[Co-host (Jen)]

They think, oh, I'm always in the friend zone. Oh, I never get the girl that I want. Well, guess what? That's what you put out there. That's what you get back. Right.

[Host (Jeff)]

Is this an age thing, too? Like, if you're in your 20s and you're still sort of part of the new dating scene, does this apply more to that scene than it would like if you're in your late 30s? Because at that point, aren't you done playing more games than you would be in your 20s? And you're, like, ready just for a genuine nice guy. I've been screwed around on my whole life. I've dated tools. I got a whole toolbox of tools, like Wendy said yesterday. And now you're just ready for some guy that's authentic and just nice.

[Co-host (Wendy)]

Maybe. I mean, I guess as you get older, you want someone genuine. But I think guys still try hard now to be that way, to be just nice and not overly nice. But. But I don't. I don't know.

[Co-host (Jen)]

I think there is a difference in what you're looking for, depending on your age. Yeah.

[Joanna Rodriguez]

Then also men and women.

[Co-host (Wendy)]

I guess it depends on the person, too.

[Joanna Rodriguez]

I mean, I would like to think that I was. Jason just kind of happened. I wasn't really looking or not looking. And then, I'm not gonna lie, it did take me a little while to, like, at first, I was like, God, he's just so nice. I don't know if I deserve this. You know, he's just so sweet. And then you have to just let yourself, like, let him treat you because you do deserve it. But you need to figure out if this guy is genuinely lies or if he's trying too hard to do that.

[Co-host (Bert)]

Do you think your next boyfriend will. It'll be easier for him to win your love.

[Joanna Rodriguez]

I'm gonna ignore him.

[Host (Jeff)]

Good morning. Q100.

[Caller/Listener]

Good morning.

[Host (Jeff)]

Hi. I'm avoiding trying to pronounce your name.

[Caller/Listener]

Latte.

[Host (Jeff)]

Yes, Latte. How are you?

[Caller/Listener]

I'm Good.

[Host (Jeff)]

What's up?

[Caller/Listener]

Well, I have a comment about the too nice guy versus the truly nice guy. Okay, well, okay. I've had both. Like, I've never been attracted to the bad boys. That's just not my thing. I don't like games. I don't like lying. I can't do that. So. But, like, I'm. I like nice guys, but, like, I had a two nice guy that we were together for, like, two years, broke up. He just don't want to be friends. And he wanted to. He begged me to get back with him up until, like, two months ago, you know, three years later. And he would tell me, oh, I'll change myself for you. I'll do this, I'll do that. You know, I'll buy you this. And matter of fact, like, we lived on different coasts. He lived in Washington state. I live in Atlanta now. He was like, I'll come down to Atlanta and all this. And I was like, I try to explain him. You need someone who's gonna compliment you, not someone who you're gonna completely change for. It was just too much, too available.

[Co-host (Jen)]

Yeah, you're like, have a backbone, dude.

[Co-host (Wendy)]

That's that confidence.

[Co-host (Jen)]

Show a little self respect.

[Host (Jeff)]

Do you guys remember the email that we were. We got months and months and months ago, and it was from a guy that was confused in his marriage because his wife was basically daring him to go out and cheat on her?

[Co-host (Jen)]

Yeah, I do remember.

[Co-host (Bert)]

Kind of. Yeah.

[Host (Jeff)]

And she was basically saying he couldn't do it. She gave him, like, 24 hours. She's like, I dare you. Go out, have an affair. Go, go, go.

[Co-host (Bert)]

He had one weekend to do it.

[Host (Jeff)]

He had one weekend to do it.

[Co-host (Bert)]

Right?

[Host (Jeff)]

And it's the same type situation. I think he's shown no backbone his entire life with her. He's finally like, show me a little something, something. Cheat on me, man. Go and cheat on me.

[Co-host (Wendy)]

Anything.

[Host (Jeff)]

Last call. Hey, Lisa. Good morning. You're on the Burt Show.

[Caller/Listener]

Hey, I think you hit the nail on the head when you were talking about age, because my husband, we started dating, we were like, 30, 31. And he's a truly, truly nice guy. But he even has told me when he was in his 20s, women didn't want to date him for very long because he was too nice. But then once he started hitting, like, 28, 29, he said it totally changed.

[Host (Jeff)]

Let me ask you this. If you would have met him when you were 22 years old.

[Caller/Listener]

No, we had that talk, too. I dated a guy in my 20s that was a complete jerk. I probably wouldn't have appreciated my husband as much. So, yeah, I probably wouldn't have gone out with him.

[Host (Jeff)]

So it's probably.

[Caller/Listener]

I mean, I might have once or twice, but.

[Host (Jeff)]

And then dumped him and you would have lost out on your future husband.

[Caller/Listener]

I know, I know. But when you're 21, 22, you don't really think about that. Well, I still think you just want to go party and have fun and all that.

[Co-host (Wendy)]

And I still think at 24, I do want a truly nice guy. But I don't want somebody I can run all over either. I don't want somebody I can take advantage of. I want someone to stick up for themselves.

[Host (Jeff)]

Dude with some backbone.

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