Full Show PT 3: Monday, March 23 [Vault]

Summary

The Bert Show – Full Show PT 3: Monday, March 23 [Vault]

Date: March 23, 2026
Episode Overview:
This episode of The Bert Show is a lively, candid, and often humorous exploration of real-life relationship dilemmas as experienced by listeners and the show hosts themselves. The cast tackles complicated family drama, friendship betrayals, age-gap romances, and the enduring question of "the one that got away." The tone is authentic, supportive, and occasionally irreverent, as the team offers advice, debate, empathy, and trademark wit throughout the varied calls and stories.

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Main Topics and Segments

1. Family Meddling: A Daughter's Failed Attempt to Reunite Divorced Parents

[00:45 – 13:26]

Background

• Last week, listener Laura revealed her mom’s wild plan to surprise Laura’s dad (divorced 5 years) with a “reunion” dinner, using Laura as the unknowing middleperson.

Key Events

• Execution: Laura follows through with the plan, having dinner with her dad, then abruptly leaving so her mother could swap in as a surprise date.
• Immediate Aftermath: Laura can’t bear to witness the outcome and leaves, ignoring her dad’s call right after.
• Emotional Fallout: Dad is hurt and frustrated, expressing disappointment via voicemail. Mom, meanwhile, is convinced something magical happened.
• Hosts’ Reactions: The cast calls out both the unfairness of putting Laura in this situation and her avoidance in dealing with the consequences.

Notable Quotes

• Host: “The fact that this thing could have been such a train wreck that you couldn't even bear to watch should have been an indication to you that you shouldn't have done it.” – [03:42]
• Co-host: "It's unfair to your dad not to talk to him or explain anything." – [08:12]
• Host: "You gotta call your dad today. I mean, you're late on that now. He reached out to you as soon as he realized what was going on." – [09:23]

Key Point

• Laura is urged to have honest conversations with both parents: apologize to her dad and gently ground her mom's expectations.

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2. Betrayal by a Best Friend: Is It Worse Than a Cheating Ex?

[15:04 – 24:58]

Caller: Jessica

• Jessica discovered her best friend Sarah was secretly texting and meeting up with her ex-boyfriend—the same guy Sarah convinced her to break up with.

Key Discussion

• The “Code”: Is it ever okay for friends to see an ex, especially in secret?
• The Snooping Debate: Is looking at a friend’s unlocked phone as bad as secret friendship with an ex?
• Advice:
  • Some, especially male co-hosts, think the breach is irreparably bad.
  • Others (Erica) counsel a direct conversation but stop short of insisting on ending the friendship.
  • Dramatic suggestion: crash their next coffee shop meetup instead of confessing the snooping.

Memorable Moments

• Host (sarcastically): “It jumped off the counter into your hand and started scrolling by itself. I don't even know how it happens, but it does.” – [16:21]
• Co-host: “You only pick up a phone when you already have an idea that something's not right.” – [18:37]
• Erica: "It's worse to have problems with a best friend than I think it is any guy. You know, it's more hurtful in that way." – [17:44]

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3. Age Gap Relationships: Callers Share Their Stories

[27:06 – 35:42]

Conversation Starter

• Celebrity discussion: Paul Walker (35) engaged to a 19-year-old he'd been dating since she was 16.
• Callers weigh in anonymously with stories of dating across wide age gaps—both as older men and as much younger women.

Highlights

• Caller Johnny: 41, dating a 22-year-old, met her when she was 18; open relationship setup.
  • Host: “What could a 38-year-old possibly have in common with an 18-year-old?” – [28:38]
  • Female Co-host: "I feel it is robbing her of her...true experience as a college student." – [30:31]
• Caller Dwayne: Met wife when he was 18 and she was 14; married at 19 and 15 due to pregnancy, have lasted nine years.
  • Host: “When you're a freshman in college and you're dating a freshman in high school...that looks pretty pathetic.” – [34:19]
• Other callers: Share both positive and failed outcomes (“now I’m dating someone 12 years older than me!”).

Tone

• Nuanced, at times skeptical, but open to hearing real-life outcomes.

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4. "The One That Got Away": Reaching Back for Lost Love

[44:17 – 51:23]

Caller: Michelle

• After a divorce, Michelle finds herself yearning for her high school boyfriend—the one her parents forced her to abandon because he "wasn't good enough."

Key Discussion Points

• Nostalgia vs. Reality: The hosts caution Michelle about romanticizing past relationships that ended when both parties were very young.
  • Host: “The people you were 10 years ago are gonna be so different when we track this guy down.” – [47:17]
  • Erica: “He might not be completely gone...but his life circumstances could be completely different.” – [48:06]
• Resolution: The show’s producer has tracked down the old boyfriend and will attempt a reconnection, using “10 questions” to vet his willingness and current situation first.

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5. Memorable, Lighter Moments & Show Culture

• Discussions throughout are laced with playful banter, role-play, and self-aware humor.
  • On avoiding uncomfortable situations: “I wish we could do that in person where we just turn around and run away.” – [32:21]
  • Hosts joke about “walks of shame,” pillow fights, and gender-differences in handling betrayal.
• Listeners are frequently involved, both as callers and through advice or real stories.

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Notable Segment Timestamps

• [00:45] – Listener’s parental trap drama introduction
• [03:42] – “Should have been an indication” observation about messy plans
• [09:23] – Hosts press Laura to call her dad
• [15:04] – Jessica’s best friend betrayal dilemma begins
• [17:44] – The pain of best friend betrayals
• [21:27] – “Dump this friend” vs “Talk it out”
• [24:01] – “Show up at coffee shop” revenge plan
• [27:06] – Discussion of older men dating much younger women
• [28:38] – “What could a 38-year-old possibly have in common with an 18-year-old?”
• [34:19] – "Freshman in college dating a freshman in high school..." critique
• [44:17] – Michelle’s “one that got away” segment begins

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Tone & Takeaways

• The Bert Show blends seriousness with jokes and relatability.
• They provide tough love: “Stay out of your parents’ love lives,” “Dump the friend,” “Don’t fantasize about the past,” but also listen compassionately.
• Relationship rules ("the code") are debated, not dictated; hosts often bring in personal anecdotes or pop culture.
• Show culture is lively and interactive, jumping quickly between heartfelt and hilarious.

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For First-Time Listeners

If you haven’t caught this episode, expect a vibrant ride through complicated, sometimes awkward real-life relationship scenarios, punctuated with laughter, honesty, and the occasional hard truth. The Bert Show crew excels at being both friendly confidents and no-nonsense straight shooters, always rooting for listeners—no matter how tangled their lives might get.

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Transcript

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[Host (Bird Show)]

Get it? The Bird show previously on the Bird Show.

[Caller - Laura]

My mom and dad, they've been divorced for five years. Suddenly, this year, my mom just has this massive revelation that she, he and my dad belong together. And I don't have any idea how my dad feels about my mom. Romantically. Well, my mom has constructed the theme. She wants me to take him to a really nice restaurant and then say, there's somebody special here that I think would be perfect for you. And then my mom comes out, and then somehow I duck out and I say, well, I have a date. And now she's trying to get me involved, and I. And I feel really guilty like that.

[Host (Bird Show)]

Okay, so that was last week on the show. And going into the weekend, she was ready to execute her plan, even though the entire Birch show community said, don't do it.

[Erica]

Because she said.

[Female Co-host (possibly Jen or Melissa)]

She said it would be fun, that this would be fun. Sounds like fun.

[Erica]

And she was just really hoping that they would get back together or at least start up some sort of conversation. But we kept giving her the advice, like, you can't just step away from the table and shock your dad. You should at least tell him what's coming. Hey, when I get up, guess who's coming in, you know?

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

Or don't leave altogether. At least sit at the bar and keep an eye so if it looks uncomfortable, you can intervene.

[Host (Bird Show)]

She's like, no safety net here.

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

None.

[Host (Bird Show)]

Hey, Lori.

[Caller - Laura]

Hi.

[Caller or Guest (possibly Lori or Kim)]

How are ya?

[Host (Bird Show)]

Good. How are you? And how are your mom today?

[Caller - Laura]

I guess we're fine. I have a little bit. I have a flu, so that's not cool.

[Host (Bird Show)]

The good news is that it'll take four weeks to go away. You got that going for you.

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

It's the gift that keeps on giving.

[Female Co-host (possibly Jen or Melissa)]

Yeah.

[Host (Bird Show)]

So Friday night, the game plan was to go to Dinner with your dad. And then midway through, you were gonna excuse yourself, go to the bathroom, and your mom was gonna surprise your dad and sit down in your seat. That was the game plan? Is that how it was executed?

[Caller - Laura]

That's exactly how we did it. Yeah, we went out. It was really nice. Like, I would have loved to stay there with my dad. You know, we were actually having a really good time. We were laughing a lot and had a drink and didn't order yet. Right before the waiter came over to take our order, I just kind of said, you know, excuse me, gotta go to the bathroom. And then I went there. I saw my mom. You know, we kind of hugged, and then I just walked out the back door where I parked.

[Erica]

You didn't even watch her go sit down or anything, Dude.

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

It's like I could. It's like that Judd Nelson movie, Vice Versa or whatever it is. Mom comes to the table and thinks that you're the daughter, but you've aged

[Host (Bird Show)]

and switched places with her just like that.

[Female Co-host (possibly Jen or Melissa)]

The show would have been complete without a Judd Nelson.

[Host (Bird Show)]

So you take off, you don't watch nothing. You just split?

[Caller - Laura]

Yeah, I had to. I had to just go. And I had plans with some girlfriends, and I just wanted to meet up with them and get it over with.

[Host (Bird Show)]

The fact that this thing could have been such a train wreck that you couldn't even bear to watch should have been an indication to you that you shouldn't have done it.

[Caller - Jessica]

Agreed.

[Host (Bird Show)]

If you can't watch, don't execute. Okay, so you take off?

[Caller - Laura]

Yeah, I mean, I was also just.

[Caller - Kim]

It's.

[Caller - Laura]

It's still emotional. I think that because my parents break up and everything, so I didn't really want to see, you know, what would happen.

[Female Co-host (possibly Jen or Melissa)]

Falling out?

[Host (Bird Show)]

Yeah. Again.

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

So what happened?

[Host (Bird Show)]

So do you go and you immediately go to have drinks with your friends or. Where are you now? In the parking lot or what?

[Caller - Laura]

Yeah, well, I was driving to meet up with some girlfriends, and then I got a phone call from my dad.

[Host (Bird Show)]

How. How many minutes were you in the car when you got that. That call?

[Caller - Laura]

Four. Four to six.

[Host (Bird Show)]

Okay.

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

What'd he say?

[Caller - Laura]

I didn't. I. I didn't pick up. I just, like, let it go to voicemail.

[Host (Bird Show)]

Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. What was your thinking behind not picking it up at all?

[Caller - Laura]

I didn't want to hear it yet. I really. I just figured whatever it was, it couldn't be helped right then. I wasn't gonna go back.

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

You knew it was bad as soon as he called you. Four minutes later you knew it was

[Female Co-host (possibly Jen or Melissa)]

bad and your stomach dropped.

[Host (Bird Show)]

Cause he's like.

[Erica]

So what did his voicemail say?

[Caller - Laura]

Well, I listened to it with my girlfriend. I went over to one of their house and we were all drinking wine and we listened to it on speakerphone. What do you say it was? You know, my dad's pretty stoic, so for him to express any like anger or frustration with me is pretty weird.

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

That's great. What did it say?

[Host (Bird Show)]

Is that exactly what he did though? He expressed anger and disappointment a little bit.

[Caller - Laura]

Yeah, he just said that he, you know, he wished that I would have pulled him and that, you know, if I had plans like that I wouldn't have just snuck it up on him. You know, he felt like it was really unfair to be put in that position.

[Erica]

That wasn't the first time you'd heard that.

[Female Co-host (possibly Jen or Melissa)]

Well, realize that he had to leave the table to go make that phone call or something.

[Host (Bird Show)]

I mean like unless he's doing it right in front of the exact. While I make a phone call.

[Female Co-host (possibly Jen or Melissa)]

Exactly.

[Host (Bird Show)]

Hi baby. I just want to let you know that I'm in a really uncomfortable situation right now. So glad you put me in. In this situation.

[Female Co-host (possibly Jen or Melissa)]

Yeah, exactly. I mean if you're mad enough. But how long did they, did they last? Did they stay at the table all night or did he get up and leave and call you because he left when he saw her.

[Caller - Laura]

Oh no, they had dinner completely. The weird thing is my mom has come home and she doesn't seem to think that anything was bad or weird to. She thinks that it went amazing. Oh, she's like raving about it.

[Host (Bird Show)]

So he did sit there through the entire night and did the polite thing and didn't get up and stuck it out. And she thinks that this thing is rekindled now.

[Caller - Laura]

I don't know how, I don't know how. My mother has not picked up at all.

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

Because he was. Because he was kind of maybe better because she was kind and. Cuz he was kind and polite to her. Like that's why. So she's what you always see what you want to see.

[Host (Bird Show)]

Is she like overly excited? Like a 17 year old girl in love for the first time again?

[Caller - Laura]

Pretty much, yeah. And I don't know if maybe things went better towards the end of the night. Maybe they loosened up. I have no idea because I haven't talked to my dad since then. I just sent him an email and said like I have the flu and I can't talk, I can't talk to him.

[Female Co-host (possibly Jen or Melissa)]

I just, I really, I Still think, like I felt in the very beginning, it's unfair for them to put you in this. Like, you're fine. Father's not putting you in this because you put him in that. But what worries me is that, did you tell your mother that you're not in this anymore? Like, because I think this is so bad for you.

[Caller - Laura]

I mean, I'm already in it though, because I still have to deal with everything that happens.

[Erica]

Well, yeah, because you were an instigator. I mean, it was your mom's idea, but you executed it in that way. And then now, as a follow up, you haven't even called your dad. You sent him an email and said you were sick. Like, you need to at this point, take some responsibility for what happened and be able to clear up that confusion.

[Host (Bird Show)]

You're acting like a little itty bitty, cowardly little girl right now, Jen.

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

Hobby's taking you apart like Lance Armstrong took apart that Irish fella.

[Erica]

I'm just saying, you're so flippant about it now when your mom could get really hurt, or already is, and it's obvious that your dad's really hurt.

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

It's unfair to your dad not to talk to him or explain anything to your dad.

[Host (Bird Show)]

Well, and now Mom's got this false hope also. Oh, my God. The plan has worked to perfection. And Dad's not feeling that at all.

[Female Co-host (possibly Jen or Melissa)]

You know, I'm sure he's feeling a little betrayed, too. Cause I. It's not your fault that you're in the position you're in about being the child of a child of divorced parents. But I do think that this seems like you've taken her side, so to speak, and that you've manipulated him and you tricked him.

[Host (Bird Show)]

Has your dad reached out to your mom again since that night?

[Caller - Laura]

No, I don't think so.

[Host (Bird Show)]

Because if he was excited about it and this plan was working the way that she wanted it to, I'm sure he would have called on Sunday or he'll call sometime today. But since he hasn't yet, I don't think he's feeling the same way your mom is.

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

Without a doubt, he's not.

[Caller - Laura]

Number one.

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

Because he said that.

[Caller - Laura]

Yeah.

[Host (Bird Show)]

Yeah.

[Erica]

I mean, that reaction, phone call, there's not much that turns that completely around. Even if it was a great dinner.

[Female Co-host (possibly Jen or Melissa)]

I mean, I don't know. I know that that is a common wish, I'm sure, amongst a lot of children in this situation, but it's just. It's just not a reality that the parents are going to get back together.

[Host (Bird Show)]

And you got to call your dad.

[Caller - Laura]

Yes.

[Host (Bird Show)]

You got to call him today. I mean, you're late on that now. He reached out to you as soon as he realized what was going on. It goes to voicemail. He doesn't hear anything from you all night. Nothing yesterday. And you're the one that instigated this. You got to stand up and talk to your dad.

[Caller - Laura]

Yeah, you're right.

[Female Co-host (possibly Jen or Melissa)]

And my concern. Yeah. And my concern also, though, is, like, too many times I've seen couples where one moved on and the other one didn't because they held out hope. And I think for your mom, the danger is that she's gonna hold out hope for your dad. He's gonna move on with his life, and she's never gonna move on with her life because she's going to just hang on to that. And I. And I think it. It stunts their life.

[Host (Bird Show)]

Yeah. At one point or another. Now, if your dad is not feeling the same way as your mom, you're gonna have to be the one to tell mom that. I got. You got to slow it down here, Mom. I know you're all excited, but this hasn't worked out the way we thought it was going to. That has to come from you. It's not your dad's responsibility anymore.

[Caller - Laura]

Genuinely seems to think something amazing happened. So I still. You know, my dad could be just, like, mad at me for how things went down or, like, how I handled it, but it doesn't mean that it's an go.

[Host (Bird Show)]

Well, you don't think your mom's judgment is a little bit clouded on what happened in that hour and a half,

[Female Co-host (possibly Jen or Melissa)]

or your judgment's a little clouded?

[Caller - Laura]

Yeah, I'm still just hoping for the

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

best, you know, at this point, it was. Admirable might be the wrong word, but it was. At least there is the best was an option then. But now you've been shown that that's not going to happen. So time to wrap it up.

[Host (Bird Show)]

Hey, Jessica. Go ahead.

[Caller - Jessica]

Hey.

[Caller or Guest (possibly Lori or Kim)]

I'm not sure what your relationship with your dad is currently, but is it any indication that since he didn't call you after all this happened that you could have potentially hurt your relationship with your dad? And not only that, but any potential relationship there could have been with your dad and your mom? I mean, is he just kind of, like, shunning you at this point?

[Caller - Laura]

I don't know. My dad and I. You go a long time sometimes without talking, and then I'll just send, like, little emails like, how are you? Or, you know, it doesn't seem Abnormal,

[Caller - Michelle]

I guess, to me.

[Caller - Jessica]

Mm.

[Host (Bird Show)]

This is really a fantastic. This is a fantastic example of somebody calling us that knew what she was going to do before she called us. And you called us up for advice, and 90% of the people that called up said, don't do it. Don't get involved. Don't get involved, don't get involved. But you knew what you were going to do before you even called us, and this was going to be the result.

[Caller - Michelle]

Mm.

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

But now you've got the. But it's a little surprising that now you have the result, but you're, I guess, ignoring it. Right.

[Erica]

Like, she's just apathetic about it now. And it's like, you can't jump in with two feet and get involved in this situation now that it's gone bad. Be like, oops, wasn't my fault.

[Female Co-host (possibly Jen or Melissa)]

Well, by calling or talking to her father, it confirms that there's not a chance. And in her mind, she wants there to be a chance with her parents. And so that's why she's not calling. She's listening to her mother talk about how wonderful the night was. And she's buying into that. And she doesn't want to call her dad because he's not gonna give her the same response.

[Host (Bird Show)]

Laura, we gotta run, but what's your next move here? You gonna call your dad today? You gonna call your mom here today? What are you gonna do?

[Caller - Laura]

I'm definitely gonna call my dad and talk to him. I'm probably gonna even tell him we need to meet up in person and not talk over the phone. You know, I'm sick, but I'm gonna go out and show him that, you know, I care about how he feels.

[Female Co-host (possibly Jen or Melissa)]

Ask him to dinner until I stay the whole time. I said ask him to dinner and say, but I promise, dad, I'll stay the whole time this time.

[Host (Bird Show)]

This is not a double. If you talk to your dad and he tells you, look, I'm just not feeling the same way as your mom. Now you've got the response of, you've got two things to do now. You got to call mom, and you've got to be the one to tell her. Like, mom, this excitement that you're feeling right now, it has backfired. Let's end it right now. You can't let her live with that another day.

[Female Co-host (possibly Jen or Melissa)]

And divorce parents. Yeah, and divorce divorced parents. Don't get your children involved. Be the adult. Stay the adult. Just because you've become divorced doesn't mean now that your child's your best friend.

[Erica]

All right.

[Host (Bird Show)]

Lori, thanks for the follow up on it.

[Caller - Laura]

You guys.

[Host (Bird Show)]

All right, I'll talk to you later. Bye bye. Get it the Bird Show.

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[Caller - Laura]

Big

[Host (Bird Show)]

Birchill listener hurt by her best friend.

[Erica]

Aww.

[Host (Bird Show)]

Good morning, Catherine. You are on the voice disguiser.

[Caller - Jessica]

Thanks guys.

[Host (Bird Show)]

How are you this morning?

[Caller - Jessica]

I'm okay. I'm in a bit of a weird situation though, and I was looking for some advice.

[Host (Bird Show)]

Barring it on. You came to the right place. You didn't go to your friends, you didn't go to your family, you didn't go to a psychologist. You came to the absolute right place.

[Caller - Jessica]

Oh good. Well, what happened was about just before Christmas, I found out that my boyfriend, well now ex, was cheating on me. And this clearly wasn't a great situation. And my best friend really pushed me to break up with him. And I thought she was right. I shouldn't be with a guy who was cheating on me. So we ended things. And it's been hard, but it's been okay. And it was. It was the right thing to do. You shouldn't be with A guy who's not respecting you, right?

[Host (Bird Show)]

Indeed.

[Caller - Jessica]

But then the other day, Sarah, my best friend, she was over here and she had to go out and run errands, and she accidentally left her cell phone.

[Female Co-host (possibly Jen or Melissa)]

Oh, no.

[Caller - Jessica]

And, you know, I mean, I know that I shouldn't have, but it was just one of those things that you do when someone leaves your cell phone lying around.

[Host (Bird Show)]

It does.

[Caller - Jessica]

You can't help but look at it. Right.

[Host (Bird Show)]

It jumped off the counter into your hand and started scrolling by itself. I don't even know how it happens, but it does.

[Caller or Guest (possibly Lori or Kim)]

Yeah.

[Caller - Jessica]

And she has an iPhone in them. It saves its text messages forever. And I saw that she'd been texting my ex recently.

[Host (Bird Show)]

She's been exiting, but it's not exiting

[Caller - Jessica]

because it's my ex, not hers.

[Caller - Laura]

Right.

[Caller - Jessica]

And they've been talking for like two and a half months, since around the time of our breakup. And it's, you know, it's nothing. It's nothing really bad. It's just. They're just talking. But it's so weird because it was her suggestion that I break up with him. She's the one that really pushed for it and was talking about how. What a bad guy he was. And now suddenly they're all, buddy, buddy.

[Host (Bird Show)]

Yeah, she's an ass. That's not cool.

[Female Co-host (possibly Jen or Melissa)]

Yeah. I'd break up with her.

[Erica]

And she hasn't told you that they're friends?

[Caller - Jessica]

No, she hasn't said a darn thing about it. Seriously.

[Host (Bird Show)]

Now, let's define your relationship with this. This is your best friend. I mean, like, when something goes wrong.

[Caller - Jessica]

We've been friends since college. I mean, she was my. It's. Well, not that far out of college, but she's been. She's been totally my girl. And we had lived together for, like, three years, and we're just super duper close.

[Caller - Kim]

And it's.

[Caller - Jessica]

It's so weird to me that this is happening.

[Female Co-host (possibly Jen or Melissa)]

That's jacked up. Yeah. She betrayed you, for sure.

[Erica]

It's worse to have problems with a best friend than I think it is any guy. You know, it's more hurtful in that way.

[Host (Bird Show)]

These text messages, were they sexual in nature or were they simply platonic?

[Caller - Jessica]

No, they were just, you know, talking about super bowl or talking about, you know, what was on TV or whatever. But, you know. But at the same time, there's also this text about. So we're meeting at the coffee shop on Friday again, right.

[Host (Bird Show)]

And I'm going, oh, no.

[Female Co-host (possibly Jen or Melissa)]

Yeah, yeah. You have every right to be heard.

[Host (Bird Show)]

Sure.

[Caller - Jessica]

But now I'm stuck Because, I mean, you're not supposed to look at people's private things.

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

She left it there, and she didn't put a password on it.

[Female Co-host (possibly Jen or Melissa)]

Yeah, and I think that.

[Host (Bird Show)]

Is that the rule?

[Erica]

Absolutely.

[Host (Bird Show)]

No password equals green light.

[Erica]

Go for it.

[Host (Bird Show)]

I need to go lock my eyes.

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

Because I appreciate my appreciation is too strong. You know what I mean?

[Erica]

That's true.

[Host (Bird Show)]

I would never think about picking up my best friend's phone, though.

[Female Co-host (possibly Jen or Melissa)]

You knew something was going on, though. You only pick up a phone when you already have an idea that something's not right. Right?

[Caller - Jessica]

I don't know. She was weird because she's been a lot busier than usual. She might be dating someone.

[Host (Bird Show)]

Yeah, well, she is.

[Caller - Jessica]

And not wanting to tell me, because sometimes she gets some real losers.

[Host (Bird Show)]

She is now, like, your ex boyfriend.

[Erica]

I'm surprised he didn't talk to her already about it.

[Caller - Laura]

Mm.

[Caller - Jessica]

I mean, I don't want to make things you.

[Erica]

Don't be rude.

[Host (Bird Show)]

It's already weird between y'.

[Caller - Laura]

All.

[Host (Bird Show)]

I mean. What do you mean? You don't want things to be weird between you? She sort of made it that way.

[Caller - Jessica]

Well, yeah, but she doesn't know that I know.

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

So it's not weird.

[Erica]

It's only weird for you.

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

But not weird for her.

[Caller - Jessica]

Well, so now my issue is, like, if I. If I bring it up to her, and I'm like, hey, I looked at your cell phone, which I know I shouldn't have done, but you're doing this, which you know you shouldn't be doing, does that just make us even? Because I feel like what she's doing is a lot worse than me looking at her.

[Host (Bird Show)]

Right. That's really what you're balancing here, is the offense of actually looking through her cell phone. You feel is worse than her having communication with your ex, and I don't agree with that.

[Female Co-host (possibly Jen or Melissa)]

Did you say that they're meeting at the coffee shop this Friday?

[Caller - Jessica]

Yeah.

[Female Co-host (possibly Jen or Melissa)]

And I just show up at the coffee shop? Yeah.

[Host (Bird Show)]

Booyah.

[Female Co-host (possibly Jen or Melissa)]

And that way.

[Caller - Jessica]

Oh, that's a great idea, Burn face.

[Host (Bird Show)]

Hey, Kim. Go ahead. You're part of the bird show on Q.

[Caller - Jessica]

Hey.

[Female Co-host (possibly Jen or Melissa)]

Hi.

[Caller - Jessica]

Hey.

[Caller or Guest (possibly Lori or Kim)]

I think that the best friend left herself on there on purpose.

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

No way.

[Caller or Guest (possibly Lori or Kim)]

Knowing that she was going to go through it. Because I kind of. I was kind of the other girl one time, and I was waiting for my friend to find out before I had to tell her myself.

[Erica]

Really? So what did you do to make her find out on her own?

[Caller or Guest (possibly Lori or Kim)]

A few mutual friends knew, and it finally got back to her, which was kind of what I was waiting on because I didn't want to be the one to tell her.

[Host (Bird Show)]

That's cowardly.

[Caller or Guest (possibly Lori or Kim)]

Yeah, it was. But I think that that's what the friend did. I mean, who leaves her cell phone laying around these days?

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

Anybody like it? Like you walk out of the house and forget it or whatever, but your own house, Right? But I mean, if she's just running to the store or run it taken off and you get all the way home, your thought might be, oh, that's my best friend. Unless she.

[Host (Bird Show)]

I panic more now if I forgot my phone than I would if I forgot my wallet.

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

Was the nightmare that you had the other night how.

[Erica]

Yeah, horrible nightmare.

[Host (Bird Show)]

Better by fairy. Hey, Jennifer, Go ahead. You're on Q100.

[Caller - Jessica]

I just want to know if her

[Caller - Michelle]

best friend happens to have been the

[Caller - Laura]

woman he cheated on with. You know what I mean?

[Host (Bird Show)]

Is that possible?

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

Catherine?

[Caller - Jessica]

I. I really don't think so. No, it's not. I. I know the girl that he said it happened with, or I know her by proxy, but it definitely wasn't there. I know that for sure.

[Host (Bird Show)]

The solution seems pretty obvious to me. I think Erica and I are on the same page here. Hey, Erica.

[Caller or Guest (possibly Lori or Kim)]

Hey. I think she needs to dump this friend. This is ridiculous. This is not acceptable behavior and she needs to get rid of the friend.

[Erica]

I agree.

[Female Co-host (possibly Jen or Melissa)]

But I still think she should show up at the coffee shop to let them know that she knows.

[Host (Bird Show)]

I like that.

[Caller - Jessica]

I like that too.

[Caller or Guest (possibly Lori or Kim)]

I like going in, getting the jab in there. But I think that the friendship is over.

[Erica]

But I don't think there's any sexual relationship going on between the friend and her ex boyfriend. I think they're friends even. Well, and I think that there's.

[Host (Bird Show)]

I don't know if they're meeting like every Friday or whatever at a coffee shop. He might be working.

[Erica]

Sexual relationship. She would have been able to tell from the iPhone conversation.

[Host (Bird Show)]

She may not even know that there's a sexual relationship budding right now. Like, this may be dude's idea. And she's just like, ah, he seems like an idea.

[Female Co-host (possibly Jen or Melissa)]

It still is a betrayal, of course.

[Erica]

I mean, she needs to talk to her about it, but I don't think she needs to ditch her best friend since college forever.

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

I think it's the difference between guys and girls. Like, guys would look at that betrayal, like, dude, you're a punk. Like, no, boom, done, gone. Whereas I think girls like that.

[Erica]

That's why she needs to snip talk about this.

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

Why are you doing it?

[Female Co-host (possibly Jen or Melissa)]

Well, they do.

[Erica]

They need to Talk about it, but I don't think their friendship has to be completely over.

[Host (Bird Show)]

She can't trust us ever again.

[Female Co-host (possibly Jen or Melissa)]

I trust her again.

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

Sure she could, dude. It's different with girls. They're weird. They don't have.

[Caller - Jessica]

You'd be able.

[Host (Bird Show)]

If you were a girl, you'd be able to trust your best friend.

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

If I was a guy, I would always have an issue with it. I think girls can work through it and cry and hug and pillow fight and stuff, but I think guys. I just think it's. I just think it's different with. I wouldn't even struggle with.

[Female Co-host (possibly Jen or Melissa)]

Not all girls would put up with that. I would not put up with that.

[Host (Bird Show)]

Wendy, would you put up with that?

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

Come on, Wendy. Wendy.

[Host (Bird Show)]

Your best friend starts hanging out with your ex.

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

I'd be mad at her about it, though. I wouldn't just sit on it. I mean, I would ask her about it.

[Erica]

I mean, I would ask her about it and. And depending on what she had to say, then make my decision.

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

If there's something more than. Yeah, no, it's done.

[Female Co-host (possibly Jen or Melissa)]

Yeah, I'd be mad because that's disrespectful to not let me know that that's going on. Like. Like Jen said, it's. It's purely innocent. I'm just letting you know. But there's no. There is no good reason for that best friend to be hanging out with the ex that she told her to break up with.

[Host (Bird Show)]

Hey, Lindsay, you're part of the Birch show. Go ahead.

[Caller or Guest (possibly Lori or Kim)]

Same thing happened to me. My best friend was. My. Me and my ex broke up, and she started kind of talking to my ex boyfriend platonically. Nothing was, you know, going on between the two of them. But, you know, it's just a rule.

[Caller - Laura]

It's wrong.

[Caller or Guest (possibly Lori or Kim)]

And, you know, I'm no longer friends with her for, you know, other reasons, but still for that, too, because it's just not right for anyone, any girl. And I think most girls would agree with me, because that's just something you don't do.

[Host (Bird Show)]

I like the theater of you showing up at that coffee shop, shocking them both.

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

That would be fun.

[Female Co-host (possibly Jen or Melissa)]

Instead of going to her and talking about the phone, and then you coming across feeling bad, then you. No, no, just show up at the coffee shop and just be there. You don't have to confront them. Just let them see you walk in and you see them together, and that's enough.

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

You see their reaction. As soon as you walk in the

door, they'll spit up their latte.

[Host (Bird Show)]

You never even have to bring up the phone at that point because you just by coincidence let them wonder you found out. I like it. I like it. Can we talk to you on Monday after you. If you execute that.

[Caller - Jessica]

Yeah, yeah, I think that's the best way to go about it.

[Caller - Kim]

I don't know.

[Caller - Jessica]

I mean, I kind of want to see what their reaction is like. And if it's all guilty and sneaky, then it might have to be the end of Sarah me, which is so weird because we've been friends for so long.

[Host (Bird Show)]

Well, that's an easy way out right there. I mean, if you want to bring it up, then you don't ever have to bring the phone up at all. You just happen to be there while they're sitting at a table together. And there it is. Now it's on the table and you can start talking about it.

[Caller - Jessica]

You're right.

[Caller - Laura]

Thanks, guys.

[Host (Bird Show)]

All right, Katherine, we'll talk to you next week. Okay, Good luck. Bye.

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[Host (Bird Show)]

Before we completely separate ourselves from this here, Paul Walker, the dude from Fast and the Furious. Really good looking blond dude, model, 35 years old, just got engaged to a 19 year old, but they've been dating three years, since she was 16 years old. And then you got that Vito Lasagna guy.

[Erica]

Milo Ventimiglia.

[Host (Bird Show)]

Yeah, that guy.

[Erica]

He's 31. And hidden panettieres, 19, but they just split.

[Host (Bird Show)]

So we were talking to our virtual listeners that were underage and dating older guys and. And now we're gonna go the other way with it. Older guys dating younger women.

[Female Co-host (possibly Jen or Melissa)]

Okay.

[Host (Bird Show)]

That's who Wendy wanted to hear from.

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

I do. I want to get into the mindset of what they're thinking.

[Host (Bird Show)]

He's gonna put himself on the voice disguiser, and his name is Johnny. Hey, Johnny.

[Caller - Johnny]

How you doing?

[Host (Bird Show)]

Good, man. How are you?

[Caller - Johnny]

I'm doing okay.

[Host (Bird Show)]

All right. Is this a current relationship or a past relationship?

[Caller - Johnny]

It is a current relationship.

[Host (Bird Show)]

Current relationship.

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

And you are how old?

[Caller - Johnny]

I am 41 and she is 22.

[Caller - Dwayne]

Okay.

[Host (Bird Show)]

Is this a purely a sexual relationship or is there something deeper going on here?

[Caller - Johnny]

It's something deeper.

[Host (Bird Show)]

Something.

[Caller - Johnny]

At first it was a sexual relationship and it turned into something a little bit more.

[Female Co-host (possibly Jen or Melissa)]

How long have y' all been dating?

[Caller - Johnny]

Three years.

[Female Co-host (possibly Jen or Melissa)]

Three years.

[Erica]

Wait, and why are you on the voice disguiser then?

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

Because when he started, it was a felony.

[Host (Bird Show)]

No, he's 18. She was 18, right?

[Caller - Johnny]

Yeah, she was 18.

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

She's 18 now or she was 18.

[Caller - Johnny]

She was 18.

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

Okay.

[Host (Bird Show)]

And you were 38 at the time.

[Caller - Johnny]

Yeah.

[Host (Bird Show)]

So what could a 38 year old do possibly, possibly have in common with an 18 year old?

[Caller - Johnny]

Well, like I said, it started out as a sexual thing and it turned into something more. After we got to know each other a little bit more, it turned into something a little bit more because she's

[Female Co-host (possibly Jen or Melissa)]

mature for her age.

[Host (Bird Show)]

Yeah.

[Erica]

How did y' all meet?

[Caller - Johnny]

When we met, I actually was actually seeing somebody else. And we met because a friend of mine that she was seeing, we were going to have a little get together.

[Erica]

Friend of mine that she was seeing. So you Knew her old boyfriend.

[Caller - Johnny]

Yeah.

[Host (Bird Show)]

And he was how old?

[Caller - Johnny]

I'm not quite sure how old he was. He was a lot younger than I was.

[Host (Bird Show)]

In his 30s and his late 20s.

[Caller - Johnny]

Teens probably late 20s, early 30s.

[Host (Bird Show)]

All right, so she has this history of dating older guys. I wouldn't even give myself the license. Here's the thing. You and I are roughly the same age. I wouldn't even give myself the license to call an 18 year old. It just seems too. It's too young for me.

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

Well, here, let's role play. The phone rings and then somebody answers.

[Caller - Laura]

Hello?

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

Hi, can I talk to. I don't know, what's an 18 year old's name?

Susie.

Can I talk to Susie, please? Yeah, this is Susie. Mom, hang up. It's for me.

[Host (Bird Show)]

Mom.

[Erica]

That's freaky.

[Host (Bird Show)]

And on a day to day while you guys are in this relationship together, you're not bored out of your mind?

[Caller - Johnny]

No, not at all.

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

What do you guys talk about?

[Caller - Johnny]

Yeah, we talk about everything. She is actually in college right now. This is her last year.

[Caller - Laura]

Oh, God.

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

And you're in like corporate in the corporate world?

[Caller - Johnny]

Well, yeah, pretty much.

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

Oh, I just, I don't.

[Female Co-host (possibly Jen or Melissa)]

I just feel it is robbing her of her. I mean, I. What? She's done it to herself though. But she's robbed herself of any true experience as a college student. Because I think for whatever reason she is in a phase in which she needs to have that mature, quote unquote male figure in her life. But I guarantee that, yeah, she's. She's gonna grow out of this.

[Caller - Johnny]

Well, I don't think so because, I mean, I let her do what she wants to do and she's away. I mean, you know, I do what I want to when I'm here. She does what she wants to when she's there.

[Host (Bird Show)]

All right, so you have an agreement with her that she can date other guys while she's at school and you're allowed to date other women when she's not around?

[Caller - Johnny]

Yeah.

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

Does she know that?

[Caller - Jessica]

Yeah.

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

Are you sure?

Oh crap, I forgot to tell you that.

[Erica]

And you're not the jealous type?

[Caller - Johnny]

No, I'm not.

[Host (Bird Show)]

Are you just her sugar daddy?

[Caller - Johnny]

No, I'm not. Definitely not a sugar daddy.

[Host (Bird Show)]

Okay. All right. You wanted to talk to the older guy dating a younger woman, so there you have it.

[Erica]

I just don't think that.

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

I just don't think she knows that she can see other people. Because I would be naive at. Even at 23 if some older man

[Caller - Johnny]

said matter of fact, I know that she's seeing other people because one time we were on the phone and she got another phone call and she thought she had clicked over, and she didn't. And I just sit there and listen to the conversation.

[Host (Bird Show)]

Oh, no. What were they saying?

[Caller - Johnny]

She was just talking about how she loved and this, that, the other. And. And I finally went and said, and. And you know who you're talking to, and she hung up.

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

Oops.

[Erica]

That's so funny.

[Caller - Laura]

What a great reaction.

[Host (Bird Show)]

I guess she did. All right, Johnny, thanks for calling, man.

[Caller - Johnny]

See?

[Host (Bird Show)]

Oh, what do I do?

[Advertiser Voice]

Hang up.

[Host (Bird Show)]

That is the ultimate panic right there.

[Erica]

Yeah, and I wish flee.

[Host (Bird Show)]

I can't flee fast enough.

[Female Co-host (possibly Jen or Melissa)]

I wish we could do that in person where we just turn around and run away.

[Erica]

Stop screaming.

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

Why don't we try that? Like, why don't next time we're in an uncomfortable situation, we just get up and walk away?

[Host (Bird Show)]

Yeah, we're gonna have Neo in studio here, you know, for his concert. If there. If one of the questions gets uncomfortable, I think we just all get up and we run out.

[Female Co-host (possibly Jen or Melissa)]

Yeah. When is he coming?

[Host (Bird Show)]

I think next week.

[Caller - Jessica]

Oh, super.

[Host (Bird Show)]

Hey, Dwayne. Good morning.

[Caller - Dwayne]

Good morning.

[Host (Bird Show)]

Good morning. You're on the voice disguise. Or do you want to be? Nah, okay.

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

Nah.

[Host (Bird Show)]

You are. You are how old? And you are dating somebody. How old?

[Caller - Dwayne]

Well, currently I'm 27 and my wife is 23.

[Host (Bird Show)]

27. 23.

[Caller - Dwayne]

When we got together, she was 14 and I was 18. Just started college.

[Host (Bird Show)]

14 and 18, that's that sliding scale we're always talking about.

[Erica]

Yeah, there's a little bit of a difference there. But you were still in high school, right?

[Caller - Dwayne]

No, I was just starting college.

[Erica]

Starting college.

[Caller - Dwayne]

We actually met when she was 12 and I was 16.

[Host (Bird Show)]

You guys didn't start hanging out, though, when she was 12 and you were 16?

[Caller - Dwayne]

I was actually dating her sister's best friend.

[Caller - Michelle]

Okay.

[Host (Bird Show)]

Okay.

[Erica]

To me, that still sounds like young love. I mean, that age difference. There's definitely a gap there with the 14 to 18 thing, for sure.

[Caller - Dwayne]

We had to get married when I was 19, she was 15 because she got pregnant, and we've been married for nine years now.

[Erica]

Well, at least you manned up, making it work.

[Caller - Jessica]

Absolutely.

[Host (Bird Show)]

All right, thank you for the call.

[Caller - Laura]

Yeah.

[Female Co-host (possibly Jen or Melissa)]

I'm going to reward him for staying.

[Erica]

Absolutely. I mean, it does start young, but I feel like when you're young like that and it's kind of like that puppy love thing, I don't think there's as much wrong with it. Remember that. What was the case?

[Caller - Laura]

I don't know, man.

[Host (Bird Show)]

When you're if she is 14 and you're out of high school, that's hands off. Yes, that's hands.

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

You don't want it. Like, you don't want to be the guy coming back to junior prom from college.

[Host (Bird Show)]

You're a freshman in college and you're. And you tell your buddies that you're dating a freshman in high school. That looks pretty pathetic.

[Female Co-host (possibly Jen or Melissa)]

Not as pathetic as the 30 and 40 year olds, though.

[Host (Bird Show)]

Hey, Randy, go ahead. You'll be the last call on this. What's happening?

[Caller - Laura]

Not a whole lot.

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

I dated.

[Caller - Dwayne]

I was 27, just. I just spent 10 years in service and got out and was working at a sporting goods shop. Met a little girl that worked at a restaurant next door. We started dating. She was 17, just out of high school.

[Erica]

Yeah, you just called her little girl.

[Host (Bird Show)]

You just referred to her as a little girl.

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

Just so you know. It's kind of gross the way you said that, in case you wonder,

[Caller - Dwayne]

a younger girl. Okay.

[Host (Bird Show)]

Little girl. And you met her, she was 17 years old, you were 27, and you decided to go for it.

[Caller - Dwayne]

Yeah, I mean, we just started out as, you know, just dating and kind of hanging out because like I said, I just gotten out of the service and didn't know a whole lot of people where I was at. And we dated for about two years before we.

[Caller - Laura]

We did get married.

[Caller - Dwayne]

And then it lasted about four more years after that.

[Female Co-host (possibly Jen or Melissa)]

All right, well, you're still married.

[Caller - Dwayne]

No, no.

[Caller - Laura]

Yeah.

[Caller - Dwayne]

Now, the ironic thing is I'm dating one that's 12 years older than me,

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

And she's telling somebody right now, I met me a little boy.

[Host (Bird Show)]

Listen, it's the bird show. This is the vert show.

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

Hey, good morning, Jan. How are you?

[Caller - Jessica]

Good. How are you guys?

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

Good. Can you speak up nice and loud for us? Because we're going to keep you on the voice disguiser.

[Caller - Jessica]

Okay.

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

Did you enjoy Bitterball on Saturday night?

[Caller - Jessica]

Well, yes, there were some good parts and some not so good parts.

[Host (Bird Show)]

Oh, no.

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

Now, the only thing that I know is Jan came on with us on Friday morning, said that her ex was definitely going to Bitterball and that he would be there. And she wanted to get in front of him and have a guy totally be into her and all over her. And I think it was the ladies of the show, Jen and Melissa and Wendy, who said, if you're going to do that, do it right and get like a model. Make sure the dude who is hanging all over you is flawless. So Tracy actually did get a bunch of emails. We even got a call from A modeling agency, if I'm not mistaken, who said that they would be willing to help out. And Tracy did indeed set up a. You had a model on standby? Correct.

[Caller - Jessica]

Tracy hooked me up with this guy that was really. He was.

[Caller - Kim]

He was hot.

[Caller - Jessica]

He's really hot.

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

Okay, so tell us about the night.

[Caller - Jessica]

Well, a girlfriend went with me, you know, just to kind of break the ice. But I talked to the guy that Tracy hooked me up with, right? And he seemed really cool. So we just all decided to, you know, meet up at Bitterball. And he was hot. He looked exactly like how his picture did. So I was totally excited. And so we were just hanging out. Didn't see my ex at all. And this guy did exactly what I wanted. He hung all over me and went way over the top, though I don't even think my ex saw us when

[Caller - Kim]

we were together, you know, when he was hanging all over me, which was pretty much the whole time. And, you know, I had a couple drinks and it stopped being funny, you know, and I just started to get really annoyed by the guy. I never thought I'd get annoyed with a guy that hot ever, but.

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

Really?

[Female Co-host (possibly Jen or Melissa)]

Aw. Now, were you annoyed because you just mentioned that your ex boyfriend did not see you too?

[Caller - Jessica]

Well, yeah.

[Caller - Kim]

I mean, that was, I'm sure, a huge part of it, but, you know, he really was all over me. But my girlfriend, I could tell she was really, really into him, so I was like, hey, do you want to hang out with him? And she was totally all about it.

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

So I left them alone. You just swapped the guy around like a piece of meat. That's all he is to you, huh?

[Erica]

I'm sure he didn't mind, right?

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

I want to know what this guy looks like.

[Erica]

Does your ex boyfriend not see you because he wasn't there or because you guys just didn't bump into each other?

[Caller - Kim]

Well, he was there because we hadn't bumped into each other at that point. But I left them alone. And I was walking around and I ran into him, and he was totally hitting on this girl that was really, really, you know, skanky or whatever. So of course.

[Female Co-host (possibly Jen or Melissa)]

Of course she was.

[Caller - Kim]

No, no, she really, really was. I'm not just being like, you know, the jealous I know.

[Host (Bird Show)]

Okay, gross.

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

So that's the ex girlfriend coming out.

[Erica]

Yeah, we understand it.

[Female Co-host (possibly Jen or Melissa)]

He's hitting on the ugliest girl. Okay.

[Caller - Kim]

So I kind of had to break that up. You know, we started talking.

[Erica]

What'd you do? Did you just walk up and interrupt the conversation?

[Caller - Kim]

Well, I pinched his butt to get

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

his attention while he's talking to the other girl.

[Caller - Kim]

Yeah. And then he turned around and there I was. And I have to admit, I looked really, really good. So I really didn't mind him seeing me. I just wish he'd see me, you know, with that. With the other guy.

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

Right.

[Caller - Kim]

I want to make him jealous.

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

Now, just out of curiosity, when you saw him, why didn't he just run back and get the model dude and be like, all right, I gotta borrow you real quick. I found him. And then go back to where he was?

[Caller - Kim]

That's exactly what my friends asked. I don't know. I don't know. I'd had a couple drinks and, you know, it just felt so comfortable talking to him.

[Female Co-host (possibly Jen or Melissa)]

And so what happened?

[Caller - Kim]

I went home with him.

[Erica]

You guys went back for the double dip.

[Caller - Kim]

Oh, I know. I am so not proud of it.

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

Are you two gonna get back together?

[Female Co-host (possibly Jen or Melissa)]

But you intended to do that, though. You intended to do that this whole time.

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

By the time when you got to the point where you. Like when you saw him and you made the decision to get his attention by pinching his butt, at that point, you pretty much took the keys to his apartment out of his pocket.

[Female Co-host (possibly Jen or Melissa)]

No, she intended to do this when she wanted to set her herself up with somebody hot. So he'd be jealous.

[Caller - Dwayne]

Right.

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

Because then he would fight for her. Is that you're thinking?

[Female Co-host (possibly Jen or Melissa)]

Yeah. Her whole intention was to make him jealous, which, I mean, of course understood. Hello. Everybody would be in that situation. But you wanted. You wanted to be sure and get with him again.

[Caller - Kim]

No, I had no intention with getting back with him at all. In fact, even after the weekend, I'm completely disgusted with the fact that I. That I did do that, you know?

[Female Co-host (possibly Jen or Melissa)]

And how did yesterday end with you guys?

[Caller - Kim]

Oh, we haven't spoken since.

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

Okay, so did you go. Did you go back to his place or he go to yours?

[Caller - Kim]

We went back to his place.

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

And how long after you opened your eyes in the morning did you leave?

[Caller - Kim]

I left immediately.

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

Okay.

[Erica]

Yeah. That's a walk of shame that you don't want to leave. You don't want to linger in that.

[Caller - Kim]

Yeah.

[Caller - Jessica]

Like when you're just out of a

[Caller - Kim]

relationship and you have a couple drinks, you just kind of tend to gravitate towards what's comfortable and what feels right.

[Host (Bird Show)]

Sure.

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

And just so you know, anybody who saw you in the apartment complex parking lot, walk into your car, are waiting for the taxi, carrying your shoes, and wearing clothes that you clearly would be wearing to a bitterball type event, never once thought that you had hooked up.

[Erica]

Yeah. I love seeing those on Saturday and Sunday mornings. Those are really fun. But I will say it reminds me of this ad from one of my gossip magazines or whatever for that movie. He's just not that into you. It says the thing about breakup sex is that you're still broken up.

[Caller - Laura]

Yeah.

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

So is that a good thing or a bad thing?

[Erica]

No, it's just reminding you even when you go back for it, you're still broken up. You know, because I think sometimes women are confused about this.

[Female Co-host (possibly Jen or Melissa)]

Exactly. Now, your friend and the model, how'd that work out?

[Erica]

Oh, yeah.

[Caller - Kim]

Well, actually, he gave her his number and they've been talking, so.

[Female Co-host (possibly Jen or Melissa)]

Oh, awesome.

[Host (Bird Show)]

All right.

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

See, so some good comment came of it.

[Caller - Kim]

I guess I kind of made my own mess, but I really do appreciate you guys going, especially Tracy trying to help me find somebody that wouldn't make him jealous. It just kind of blew up in my face.

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

That's cool. Well done from all the guys out there. We appreciate your liberal form of thinking and it really is nice. So congratulations on hooking up at Bitterball.

At least someone did.

[Erica]

Yeah. Awesome.

[Host (Bird Show)]

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[Host (Bird Show)]

All right, let's get to Michelle here. We got some business to take care of. Hey, Michelle.

[Caller or Guest (possibly Lori or Kim)]

Hi.

[Host (Bird Show)]

How are you?

[Caller - Laura]

I'm okay.

[Caller - Michelle]

How are you?

[Host (Bird Show)]

Okay, so we're talking about a relationship here that started and ended 10 years ago, right? Okay, do tell.

[Caller - Michelle]

Well, I actually got married to somebody that I probably shouldn't have, but I did, and that's why I actually moved to Atlanta from Pennsylvania because of my husband. His job was here, and so we moved five years ago. And actually we are divorced now because he cheated on me. And I guess, you know, you always think about the one that got away. And I had a boyfriend in high school, and he was just the nicest, sweetest guy. But my parents didn't like him, of course, because he had no money and his parents had no money. And, you know, he wasn't. He went to tech school, he didn't go to college after school. And, you know, I think they just thought he wasn't good for me, he wouldn't be good for me. And I just have always thought about him and just wondered, you know, what happened to him and where he is.

[Host (Bird Show)]

Was it a situation in high school where they literally forbade you. For me.

[Female Co-host (possibly Jen or Melissa)]

Yeah.

[Host (Bird Show)]

From seeing him. I mean, you couldn't go out this guy at all?

[Caller - Michelle]

Well, you know, we. We did go out in high school, but as soon as I graduated, they

[Caller - Laura]

pretty much said that's it.

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Do you.

[Female Co-host (possibly Jen or Melissa)]

I mean, is it. I mean, I guess there's always when you don't have closure and, you know, you didn't evolve. Your relationship didn't evolve. It was cut short. Like, I mean. I mean, I hate that you're in a situation that you don't like, but do you really think that this would have been better?

[Caller - Laura]

Absolutely.

[Caller - Michelle]

I mean, I know when you're young, when you're younger, it's very different. The feelings are very intense. But we just got along so well. And, you know, I mean, we were together for about five years in school, but I knew him growing up, but we just had the same interests. He was so funny. He used to make me laugh. And my husband, my ex husband was so not funny. And, you know, that should have been a clue to me because I always say that's really important, but you end up making bad choices. Well.

[Erica]

And you always end up making comparisons and stuff, too.

[Caller - Michelle]

But I've always thought about him and just, he was such a kind, sweet, amazing person. And I was just so in love with him.

[Erica]

So why do you need Our help to find him. Have you been looking?

[Caller - Laura]

I looked a little bit, but, you

[Caller - Michelle]

know, he has a common name. And, you know, I've tried to look him up on Facebook and a bunch of other ways, and I'm just not finding him.

[Erica]

He's like me, one of the last few people on Earth.

[Host (Bird Show)]

That's right. That's the easy way to find him. That's the easy way to find him. It's. He's the only person not on Facebook

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

just going to crowded places and going. If you're not on Facebook, raise your hands. Actually, there will be.

[Host (Bird Show)]

I always get a little bit nervous about these ones that got away that originate in high school, because the feelings at 18 years old and the people that you were 10 years ago are gonna be so different when we track this guy down. He's just gonna be such a different person now 10 years later that that kid may be completely gone.

[Erica]

You know, he might not be completely gone.

[Caller - Laura]

I don't think it's gonna be completely gone.

[Erica]

Yeah, sorry. I don't. I don't think he. I don't think he would be completely and totally different. But, I mean, certainly his life circumstances could be completely different.

[Host (Bird Show)]

I just. I mean, in 10 years, those 10 years time, between 18 and 28, people just change so much. And you're attached to the feelings of a high school romance, which sometimes just don't translate to the adult world.

[Female Co-host (possibly Jen or Melissa)]

Right?

[Caller or Guest (possibly Lori or Kim)]

Yeah.

[Female Co-host (possibly Jen or Melissa)]

And now, of course, I'm bringing up. I'm about to bring up a Disney reference. Has nothing to do with first big Adventure, because fairy tales do come true. But one of the funniest, like comic strips I saw one time was Cinderella After. After the Happily Ever after, you know, the continuation continuing story. And the fact that Prince Charming left his clothes on the. On the floor, and the fact she'd get frustrated by, you know, different things that were going on. And I think that the same with this, you know, you have this happily ever after that you have in your mind because it was cut short. But if you actually lived it out, like, I just. I don't know, I feel like you may be being unfair to your current life by fantasizing so much about your youth that may not be as romantic as you remember it to be.

[Host (Bird Show)]

Well, if that's the case, the beauty about the one that got away is that we'll give you closure on it for sure if it's not going to happen or it'll open a door for you so you can at least move on.

[Female Co-host (possibly Jen or Melissa)]

And I'm happy to have to admit to you I was wrong. If it works out in your favor.

[Caller - Michelle]

You know, I just think it's worth a shot, because up to this point, I've been wondering, what if?

[Caller - Laura]

What if?

[Caller - Michelle]

What if?

[Host (Bird Show)]

Well, here's what I can tell you. I can tell you that producer Tracy's already tracked the guy down, and she's left a message for him, and it's the right guy. So we haven't. She hasn't set him up yet, but it looks pretty good. We'll either be able to get him on with you or with the 10 questions that you provide us, we will ask him those 10, and he never needs to know who it is that's tracking him down.

[Erica]

Do you want him to know it's you tracking him down, or do you want.

[Caller - Michelle]

Why don't. Is it possible to wait and see what his situation is like? And then. Because, I mean, if he's like, oh, I'm happily married to the love of my life with five kids, then, I mean.

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

Well, the way we would do that

[Erica]

is he would need to know you've been looking.

[Male Co-host (possibly Lance or another male panelist)]

That can be part of the 10 questions.

We could have you on. We would ask the 10 questions on whatever Tuesday or Wednesday, whatever day we do it, we ask the 10 questions of him, and then afterwards, we can come back to you and you can say, yep, you know what? And then the next day, maybe we can reunite you on the air or that's the end of it.

[Host (Bird Show)]

Yeah. He never needs to know it's you.

[Caller - Michelle]

Okay.

[Host (Bird Show)]

That is asking the questions. So you would provide us the questions. We'd ask him the questions on the air. You'd be listening in. But he never needs to know it's you.

[Caller - Laura]

Okay.

[Host (Bird Show)]

Okay.

[Caller - Jessica]

Yes.

[Host (Bird Show)]

Well, let's see if we can actually get him on. I mean, it won't happen until next week, but Tracy does have his phone number, and they've exchanged voicemails, and when Tracy latches on, they come on the radio. It's going to happen.

[Erica]

She's like a pit bull. Term latches on. Tracy's in right now, man, everyone's fascinated with her boobs.

[Host (Bird Show)]

So, Michelle, let me put you on hold. I do think that Tracy has all your information already, but we'll see what progresses over the next couple of days, and we'll see if we can get him to. Come on, get some. Some questions from you, shoot them off of him, and we'll see if we can get some of those questions answered for you.

[Caller - Laura]

Great.

[Caller - Michelle]

Thank you.

[Host (Bird Show)]

Okay, hold on one sec. This is the Bird Show.

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