Full Show PT 3: Tuesday, January 13 [Vault]

Summary

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The Bert Show

Full Show PT 3: Tuesday, January 13 [Vault]
Date: January 13, 2026
Host: Pionaire Podcasting
Featured Cast: Bert, Kristin, Abby, Cassie, Tommy & Cast
Noteworthy Guests: Dana, Shakira

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Main Theme & Purpose

This episode of The Bert Show focuses on real-life relationship dramas, listener call-ins, and a celebrity interview. The morning is filled with laughter, candid admissions, advice, and honest conversation, making relatable connections with listeners. Key segments include a follow-up with frequent caller Dana about her unusual romantic journey, a lively and insightful interview with pop sensation Shakira, and an exploration of dating rules and fidelity through open debate and calls.

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Key Segments, Discussions & Insights

1. Dana’s Relationship Update: Crossroads and Curiosity

[01:05 – 15:59]

• Dana’s Story So Far:

  • Dana, 27, gave an update regarding her ongoing relationship with Carl (aka “Matlock”), a 58-year-old man she met through her parents.
  • Recap: Dana’s first date ever was with Carl, which quickly escalated into daily visits, staying overnight frequently, vacationing together (Bahamas, NYC), and receiving a promise ring from him.
  • The show teases her about diving headfirst into a serious relationship with a much older man, while noting her refreshingly candid approach.

• Notable Quotes:

  • “I've only, obviously, that I've ever had? Because I've never had a romantic night before.” — Dana [02:11]
  • “He's actually planning a vacation for us in Atlantis in the Bahamas... He's even given me a promise ring, which is just incredible.” — Dana [02:45]
  • “Yeah, I do [love him]. We hang out every night at his house and it’s getting more serious and more serious.” — Dana [02:43]

• New Twist: Temptation at the Pool:

  • While Carl was gambling in the Bahamas, Dana met a 30-year-old man from Atlanta by the pool, felt a spark, and exchanged contacts with him.
  • Dana confessed to being tempted, never having dated someone her own age, and wondering if she was moving too fast with Carl.
  • She admitted, “I really see you being honest with yourself...the temptation of anybody that comes around, that's your age.” — Host [07:53]

• Panel’s Opinions:

  • The hosts debate whether age difference is the issue or just the inexperience of dating outside a first serious relationship, suggesting Dana should explore options before settling.
  • “I really think you should pay attention to your curiosity of this 30 year old guy.” — Co-host [09:03]

• Caller Support:

  • A caller encourages Dana to go out with the 30-year-old, warning she might regret not exploring when she’s older. Another debate ensues: Is honesty with Carl (the older partner) vital before branching out?
  • “It may not work out. But what if it does?” — Dana [13:20]
  • “If you really are in love with the 58 year old...then you will. But I don't think that you need to do it out of fear.” — Co-host [14:21]

• Dana’s Resolution:

  • Dana, showing maturity, leans toward being honest with Carl and considering a date with the younger man, acknowledging that few people marry their first love.

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2. Spotlight Interview: Shakira on Fame, Music, and Identity

[18:33 – 31:53]

• Shakira’s Take on Global vs. American Fame:

  • The segment opens with the team marveling at Shakira’s international stardom and discussing differences in musical tastes between America and the rest of the world.
  • Shakira expresses gratitude for her American reception and notes changing tides in U.S. audiences being more open to music in Spanish.

• Notable Quotes:

  • “I think things are changing and we're breaking barriers, and this is much more of a global world. We're much closer to each other than what we think...” — Shakira [19:31]
  • “I had to move to the Bahamas... I have the privacy and the space to create and be with myself... that's La Tortura of Shakira, my own torture, really, that invasion.” — Shakira [21:12]

• Fan Interaction & Identity:

  • Listeners call in, some identifying as fellow Colombians, to praise Shakira’s influence as a symbol of hope and resilience for their community.
  • “Seeing you out there making it, it gives a lot of inspiration... I support you 150%. I'm very proud of you.” — Mario, caller [27:28]

• Artistry & Public Perception:

  • Shakira addresses the tendency for new markets to focus on her dance moves or looks before appreciating her deeper artistic side, encouraging fans to listen for the poetic and cultural layers in her music.
  • “Once they establish a relationship with you, they start discovering you more deeply... and that’s what happened.” — Shakira [24:27]

• Language, Culture, & New Projects:

  • She speaks with affection about both her Latin and English-speaking fans, dispelling criticism about releasing English-language music, and stressing her commitment to honoring her Colombian roots.
  • Discusses her creative involvement in music videos and upcoming projects: remix videos, tours, and album releases (“Fijación Oral” and “Oral Fixation Vol. 2”).
  • Fun language barrier moment: “Stick shift— I always say stick is… I never say it the right thing.” —Shakira [28:51]

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3. Dating, Cheating, and Relationship Ethics: Ideal vs. Real

[34:35 – 50:26]

• Nicole/Karen/Aaron Saga Recap:

  • The show revisits a convoluted love triangle. Karen and Nicole discover they’ve both been dating Aaron; Nicole admits she knew about Karen and ultimately “stole” Aaron away.
  • Nicole says: “Once I found out what a crackhead she is...I thought, you know what, let me help.” [36:42]

• Panel and Listener Reactions:

  • The group explores moral lines in relationships: is “cheating” only relevant after marriage or engagement, or does respect/commitment start before?
  • Some listeners argue anything goes before marriage, while others (including the hosts) contend that honesty and respect are essential in any serious relationship.
  • “There is a right way to do things and there is a wrong way to do things. And the way that they handled this was absolutely incorrect.” — Host [37:54]
  • “If you give somebody keys to your place and keys to your car, that's a commitment level enough that you owe that woman respect.” — Co-host [39:35]

• Call-In Discussion: Serial Cheating & Relationship Ethics:

  • A caller, Tara, confesses to serial cheating (“I've cheated on every single one of my boyfriends. I'm 25”), but insists she’ll be faithful once married because “marriage is sacred.” [41:19]
  • Hosts challenge Tara’s belief in a magical behavioral transformation upon marriage, questioning whether character can change without practice or inclination.
  • “I think in your ideal mind, the ideal you is someone that would not cheat... but in your everyday practice, you have turned yourself into someone who doesn't have the character that you think you do.” — Co-host [43:06]
  • A male caller, Andrew, confides he follows a similar outlook—dating multiple people, but claims once he finds “the right one” he’ll commit.

• Honesty in Dating:

  • Discussion centers on the importance of honesty in relationships, not just about exclusivity but in self-awareness and communication.
  • “Why can't you be honest with them? Like, why do you feel the need to lie?” — Co-host [44:54]

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Notable Quotes & Moments with Timestamps

• “I've never had a romantic night before.” — Dana [02:11]
• “I just didn't know...should I go out with this guy just because I never—to get it out of my system that I dated somebody my age?” — Dana [07:39]
• “I think you should go out with him, because I really think that you are moving this thing with Carl way too fast.” — Co-host [09:03]
• “When you are coupled with somebody, you have some kind of scent to you. Mojo, some kind of mojo, some kind of attitude where people are attracted to you. Maybe it's confidence, maybe it's a confidence you've never had before.” — Host [13:41]
• “I really feel much more tranquil, isolated. And I have the privacy and the space to create and be with myself and by myself. Sometimes it's where I can really get introspective.” — Shakira [21:15]
• “It's just the paparazzi, what I find very annoying. You know, that's La Tortura of Shakira, my own torture...” — Shakira [21:15]
• “Once they establish a relationship with you, they start discovering you more deeply.” — Shakira [24:27]
• “There is a right way to do things and there is a wrong way to do things.” — Host [37:54]
• “I think your ideal mind, the ideal you is someone that would not cheat on anybody. ... But in your everyday practice, you have turned yourself into someone who doesn't have the character that you think you do.” — Co-host [43:06]

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Additional Noteworthy Segments

• Shakira’s Humorous Language Barriers:

  • Several laughs over her struggle to pronounce “stick shift,” with the cast joining in [28:51–29:24].

• Listener Call-Ins:

  • Multiple listeners phone in to share perspectives, mirroring broader societal debates on exclusivity, honesty, and morality in relationships.

• Closing Thoughts:

  • The show underscores realness and community, encouraging ongoing, open discussion on difficult topics while maintaining a light and humorous tone.

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Summary Table of Important Timestamps

| Section | Timestamps | Highlights | |-----------------------------------|---------------------|------------------------------------------------| | Dana’s Relationship Update | 01:05 – 15:59 | Age gap romance, temptation by peer, advice | | Shakira Interview | 18:33 – 31:53 | Music, fame, Latino pride, artistry, language | | Dating, Cheating & Relationship | 34:35 – 50:26 | Love triangles, relationship morals, honesty |

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End of Summary

Transcript

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[Host (possibly Burt)]

Hey, the bird show. All right, let's get you all up to speed here, because it's been a while since we talked to Dana. Now, theoretically, we have new people coming into the show all the time that might not have heard what Dana is all about. Theoretically, no.

[Co-host (possibly Jeff)]

On paper, they're leaving.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

Yeah, we got ratings yesterday that said that that theory doesn't hold true for our show.

[Co-host (possibly Melissa)]

Well, they may be new, but they don't stay.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

So for the four of you that have been with us from the start, bear with us while one person is checking us out for the very first time. Ryan. Because here's what's been going on with Dana. This is the whole recap from the last couple of months. Just in, like, two minutes of audio right here. So here's what's been going on with Dana and this old guy that we've kind of nicknamed Matlock. You've got your very first date at 27 years old.

[Dana]

Yes.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

All right, so how does this guy.

[Dana]

I actually met him through my parents.

[Co-host (possibly Melissa)]

I'm curious. How old is this guy?

[Dana]

He's 58.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

He's 58. And this is going to be your first date?

[Dana]

Yes. We went to go have steak at this place called New York prime in Buckhead.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

Oh, he did it up.

[Dana]

He invited me to come over for a couple more drinks. Right. And we just watched TV and stuff, you know, I ended up staying the night. And since I like him and since we had such a great first date and so I'm gonna go out with him again on Wednesday. It was the most romantic night. I've only, obviously, that I've ever Had? Because I've never had a romantic night before.

[Co-host (possibly Melissa)]

So did you stay the night again?

[Dana (continuation or same as F)]

Yes, I did.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

You betcha.

[Co-host (possibly Melissa)]

Right? And you sealed the deal, right?

[Dana (continuation or same as F)]

Yes, I did.

[Co-host (possibly Jeff)]

Hey, Dana. Do you love him?

[Dana (continuation or same as F)]

Yeah, I do.

[Dana]

We hang out every night at his house and it's getting more serious and more serious. And he's actually planning a vacation for us in Atlantis in the Bahamas.

[Co-host (possibly Tracy)]

How's the intimacy department?

[Dana]

It's great. I'm staying. I mean, I'm over at his house every night, so my lease is actually up in June and we've been talking about moving in together. He's even given me a promise ring, which is just incredible.

[Co-host (possibly Tracy)]

What?

[Host (possibly Burt)]

58 year old man giving you a promise ring?

[Dana (continuation or same as F)]

Yes.

[Co-host (possibly Melissa)]

When. When is your vacation with him?

[Dana]

The vacation is over. Memorial Day. Hey, Tracy. I wanted. I know you wanted an update on me before I left for the Bahamas. We left to come down here yesterday. I tried to call you guys, but couldn't get through. Anyhow, we're having a great time, but I won't be able to call you till I get back. He wants this weekend to be just about us, so I agreed not to make any phone calls. Things are still going great though. He's definitely the one. I'll be moving in with him when I return. We also have another vacation planned for July. We're going to New York over the fourth. This was my idea as a thank you for the trip to the Bahamas. I'll talk to you when I get back. We fly home on the 2nd. Dana. P.S. i may have your next contestant for Baby Idol. Wink.

[Co-host (possibly Jeff)]

What?

[Host (possibly Burt)]

Okay, so that's where we were with Dana right now. So the last thing we heard from her was that email correspondence basically saying.

[Co-host (possibly Melissa)]

You know, may have a new entry into Baby Idol.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

Okay, Dana's on hold now. This is the email that I've been getting more of over the last couple of weeks than anything else. What's going on with Dana?

[Caller or Guest]

What's going on with Dana?

[Co-host (possibly Melissa)]

Hi, Dana.

[Dana (continuation or same as F)]

Yes.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

How are you today?

[Dana (continuation or same as F)]

I'm good. How are you?

[Co-host (possibly Tracy)]

Everybody's more interested in you than they are in us.

[Co-host (possibly Melissa)]

Ratings came out yesterday, so the two main. Well, the one main thing is your email. The cryptic message in your email about Baby idol, what did that mean?

[Dana]

Oh, I was just kidding. I was just saying that I know you guys have that contest and hopefully by someday, by this time next year, I might have a baby to be entered in that contest. I didn't mean like right now.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

We thought you were suggesting that you already got pregnant.

[Dana]

No, no, no. No, no, I was just saying that, you know, since we're talking about marriage and all that stuff, that hopefully by this time next year, maybe I'll have a baby, you know, for your show.

[Co-host (possibly Melissa)]

So you're talking about marriage. So when did this come up?

[Dana]

We started talking about it during the trip.

[Co-host (possibly Melissa)]

Okay, tell us about the trip.

[Dana]

The trip was great. It was beautiful there, and he got an amazing room for us. It was amazing. And, you know, the only thing is, though, it's funny, and I guess this is definitely the age difference. He loves to gamble, and I don't. I've never gambled in my life. And he. Blackjack.

[Co-host (possibly Melissa)]

And where'd you go again? I'm sorry.

[Dana]

Bahamas.

[Co-host (possibly Melissa)]

Bahamas.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

Atlantis, right?

[Dana]

Yeah, Atlantis.

[Co-host (possibly Melissa)]

Okay, sorry.

[Dana]

So he's really into basically any kind of gambling, and I don't know anything like that. So I would just kind of hang out by the pool and, you know, catch some son, and he would go off and gamble and stuff.

[Co-host (possibly Melissa)]

So.

[Dana]

But I mean, otherwise it was really, really beautiful. But you know what's funny, though, is that actually one day, whenever he was gambling and stuff, I was hanging out by the pool. And this is just kind of weird because I've heard, you know, a couple of my friends say, like, whenever they start dating somebody, that whenever you're dating somebody, you meet other people, like when you're not looking. You know what I mean? Like, you meet people when you're not looking, but. And I was hanging out by the pool, and I started talking to this guy. And the reason why we started talking is because I heard his accent, you know, And I was like, oh, are you from the South? And he said, yeah, I'm from Atlanta. And I was like, that's where I'm from, too? And so we just started talking. And he's really, really attractive. Like, really cute guy. He's like 30 years old. And so we just started talking about stuff about Atlanta that we loved and what we were doing in the Bahamas, what we liked to do while we were there, and just stuff like that. And so we exchanged phone numbers and emails. But he was really, really cute. And it was just funny. I was like, I can't believe I'm talking to this cute guy. Because if this would have happened, like, seven months ago, I mean, I just felt like this wouldn't have happened seven months ago. But here I dating Carl, and now this cute guy wants to talk to me. It was just really bizarre.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

So was there any part of you at all that was feeling, wow, I really wish I wasn't Kind of tied down right now because I'd like to pursue it with this guy.

[Dana]

Well, you know, I thought I was like, should I. I did kind of feel that way just a little bit.

[Dana (continuation or same as F)]

Because I was like, should I just.

[Dana]

Go out with him? Because I've never gone out with somebody my age, you know. But the thing is, is that, like, I am in love with Carl and we're talking about marriage and things like that, but I just didn't know. You know, the thing with Carl is, like, you know, he did have a problem, you know, staying up past midnight, you know, and I would, you know, I'm the kind of girl that likes to jump in the pool 20 minutes after eating kind of thing. Like, I'm not really. Like, I like to still do things. I'm useful. You know what I mean?

[Co-host (possibly Jeff)]

Does he not swim within a certain time of eating?

[Dana]

Yeah, yeah.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

Gotta wait 30 minutes or you're gonna get cramped up.

[Dana]

Yeah, that's Carl. But he, you know, I was just. I didn't know. I mean, I'm like, in the back of my mind, I'm like, I know we're talking about stuff, but should I go out with this guy just because I never. To get it out of my system that I dated somebody my age, you know?

[Host (possibly Burt)]

All right, well, at least you're being. I really see you being very honest with yourself and sharing a very, you know, kind of secretive part that you're saying, look, I've only dated one guy and he's 58. And now the temptation of anybody that comes around, that's your age. You're starting to think here a little bit that maybe this is a. This is something that I want to pursue.

[Co-host (possibly Tracy)]

Dana, now, is swimming not the only thing where Carl gets cramps? Does he have to stop other activities short?

[Dana (continuation or same as F)]

No, no, he's.

[Dana]

I mean, he's fine. He's fine.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

Remember, she has nothing to compare it to.

[Dana]

Exactly.

[Co-host (possibly Melissa)]

Hey, Dana, now remember when you came to us and you had never dated anybody before, we had mentioned that we wanted to get you on that first date to get over that, you know, anxiety and get you some, you know, confidence. And obviously it worked because you were confident at the pool. You were confident to talk to a 30 year old guy who was attractive. You had, you know, you didn't freak out when he was talking to you. So, I mean, I appreciate, you know, like, what Bert said, your honesty, and I, you know, I think you should go out with him. But I. Because I really think that you are moving this thing with Carl way too Fast. You shouldn't be talking about marriage. How many, how long have y' all been together?

[Dana]

Let's see, I guess the. What was it, the end of March.

[Co-host (possibly Melissa)]

Beginning of April, and here it is, beginning of June. I just think from Carl's perspective, you know, he's lived 58 years. So of course, you know, I'm, I'm not surprised. He may already be thinking about, I guess settling down because he's never been married before. But for you, I just, I really think that you should pay attention to your curiosity of this 30 year old guy.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

I think many people are agreeing with you. Hey, James, you're on all the hits. Q100.

[Caller or Guest]

Dana, Dana, Dana, Dana. Have you talked to this younger man yet? Because I think you should.

[Dana]

Well, he, you know, when we exchanged emails and stuff, he actually emailed me and you know, said that we should go out sometime, you know, hang out and stuff. So he did kind of ask me out.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

In the email, did you tell him that you were seeing a 92 year old guy?

[Dana]

Yeah, I told him I was there with Carl, you know. And you may have.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

You told him the age difference? Cause there's a key here. You told him that the guy was 58.

[Dana]

I just said he was older than me. I didn't get into specifics about him.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

Okay.

[Dana]

I didn't feel like, you know, I just was meeting this guy, so I didn't feel like I needed to be that specific. But I did say he was older.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

Because I'm thinking if this guy's laying out by the pool, chilling out and you tell him that you're dating a 58 year old, he's like, okay, I could pretty much push that guy aside here pretty quick.

[Co-host (possibly Jeff)]

See, I, again we're focusing on the age thing. And I think the fact is here is Dana, who has never had a date in her life and she's dating someone who you know, that she may or may not have, you know, whatever in common with. But now all of a sudden she has an app, she's dating someone in a. I'll say it again. I wouldn't care if this guy, if, if the guy we're calling Matlock or they were not calling Carl was 32. The fact that this is the first guy she dates, falls in love with, she's going to move in with him. I would encourage her to do the same thing she's doing now. Even if he was five years younger than her.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

Like the age is inconsequential to you. Yeah, there's some, I think there's some validity to that. Dana, let me ask you this question. If you went to Matlock and you said, look, I met this guy, you're the first guy ever dated. You're the first guy. How do you feel about me just going out with this younger guy once or twice, what do you think his response would be?

[Dana]

Um.

[Dana (continuation or same as F)]

That'S a good question.

[Dana]

I guess. I don't know. I mean, he. He's such a gentleman. I'm sure that he wouldn't ever hold me back from doing anything. He might, you know, it might hurt his feelings, but I don't. I don't think he would ever want to hold me back from doing anything because he's such a gentleman, you know, and he really does seemed to put me first and want to take care of me. So I would imagine that he, you know, would let me do it.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

Good morning, TC Hey.

[Caller or Guest]

How's it going?

[Host (possibly Burt)]

All right.

[Caller or Guest]

And Bert, you just took the handle that I was going through. I mean, here's. You are. She was saying that she was beginning to realize the differences in their personalities. Her being so young and him being so old. Have to be in the bed and everything. How open would he be to her, experiencing somebody around her age just to go out on a date, just to see what it's like. That's what I was gonna ask her to see what, you know, what his take might be. You know, just don't, you know, just open herself up to that possibility.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

If we were gonna take a consensus in the room, do you think that that would be a good way to go for her to, like, go to the older guy and say, hey, you know what? I've never dated anybody any younger. I'd sure like to see how the other half lives.

[Co-host (possibly Melissa)]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Jeff)]

Walnut. See, I know. No, because I think that the older guy is taking advantage of his experience in the world or is taking advantage of her based on his experience in the world and knows. And I think that would cause significant problems. I don't think you would like that.

[Co-host (possibly Melissa)]

I just think that you have to handle this like any other relationship. If they've talked commitment, then she has to have the conversation with him before she goes out with his 30 year old. You know, if. If in a normal dating situation, when you're casually dating somebody for a few months, you don't have, you know, and you establish that you date other people, then you don't have to check in with that person. But Dana doesn't know that. So she's, you know, gone head first into this. So she has to Talk to him before she goes out with a 30 year old.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

Let me take one more call here and then we'll wrap things up with Dana. But we are certainly going to have to check back in with her next week. Hey, Tara.

[Dana (continuation or same as F)]

I feel that if she doesn't go, she's going to end up regretting it ten years from now.

[Dana]

She's going to think back, hey, what.

[Dana (continuation or same as F)]

If I didn't go out with him? Or what if I did go out with him and it was the one and I'm not dealing with a 70 year old guy now. So I think, I think she just needs to go out.

[Dana]

It may not work out.

[Dana (continuation or same as F)]

But what if it does?

[Co-host (possibly Melissa)]

Well, in my thing, I don't think she should. I, you know, I think that Dana has to get out of the habit of going out thinking that somebody's the one. Like we are trying to train her how to date. You know, that was the whole point of this whole conversation with Dana to begin with. And so my, you know, idea is not for her to go out the 30 year old because he's the one. Go with a 30 year old because he's there.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

Yeah. Let me give you just a little peek into attitude also, Dana. I don't know what it is and I've never seen a study done about it. But for whatever reason, when you are coupled with somebody, you have some kind of scent to you. Mojo, some kind of mojo, some kind of attitude where people are attracted to you. Maybe it's confidence, maybe it's a confidence you've never had before. But if I was gonna predict if you and the older dude broke up and you were out there and you were single again, chances are pretty good things go back to normal, you know.

[Dana]

Yeah.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

I can't explain it. I don't think anybody can.

[Co-host (possibly Melissa)]

No. But he's right.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

But it happens that way.

[Co-host (possibly Melissa)]

Yeah. I just my concern about you and it doesn't matter if he's 58 or 30 like Jeff said. My concern is the fact that you're in this for security and safety. And that's why I think you should go with a 30 year old because you need to date. And if you really are in love with the 58 year old and you really want to spend your life with him, then you will. But I don't think that you need to do it out of fear. You can't.

[Dana]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Melissa)]

So yeah.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

What do you think you're going to do with this whole situation? You think you'll start returning the emails? You think you're going to talk To Matlock.

[Dana]

Well, I mean, I think that makes sense that maybe, you know, just because, you know, this is the first guy that I've fallen in love with. And I know a lot of people don't marry the first person that they date. I know that that is what the usual thing is. But I feel like I kind of do want to, you know, just go out with him just once, just to make sure and just to see. And I really think that Carl, like I said, he's such a gentleman. He's so great to me. And I think that if I'm honest with him, you know, I don't think he'd have a problem with me just making sure. Since we've talked about commitment and, you know, I feel like he would want me to, you know, do whatever I need to do to make sure first.

[Co-host (possibly Melissa)]

Right.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

If you were gonna have that talk with Carl, when do you think that's happening? You think you're gonna wait a while? You think it'll happen sometime soon?

[Dana]

No, I think I'll talk to him soon. I don't, you know, because I don't want to spring it on him later and have this, you know, have him think that I've been, like, holding back on him, you know.

[Co-host (possibly Melissa)]

Very smart idea. Very smart.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

All right, Dana, well, let's check back in with you again next week, okay? Okay.

[Co-host (possibly Melissa)]

All right. Good luck.

[Dana]

Okay, thanks.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

And Dana, let me again, thank you so much for sharing this whole thing with us.

[Dana]

Yeah, yeah. No, thank you.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

All right, Dana. Bye.

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[Dana]

Okay, bye.

[Co-host (possibly Jeff)]

No, thank you.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

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[Host (possibly Burt)]

People love Shakira.

[Co-host (possibly Melissa)]

I just don't. I never can understand why there's such a. A gap between America and the rest of the world when it comes to music.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

Let's ask Shakira that question. Hi, Shakira.

[Dana (continuation or same as F)]

Hello.

[Co-host (possibly Melissa)]

Good morning.

[Dana (continuation or same as F)]

How are you doing, guys?

[Host (possibly Burt)]

How are you?

[Dana (continuation or same as F)]

I love how you say my name. Shakira.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

Shakira.

[Dana (continuation or same as F)]

Do you want to hear how long you sing?

[Host (possibly Burt)]

Do you want to hear how long I can roll an arm?

[Co-host (possibly Tracy)]

No, don't do it.

[Co-host (possibly Melissa)]

Don't do it.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

To her, Shakira sounds very cute.

[Co-host (possibly Tracy)]

Oh, you're cute.

[Co-host (possibly Melissa)]

Now, see, now I'm melting.

[Co-host (possibly Tracy)]

Cute little radio man.

[Co-host (possibly Jeff)]

Yes, I'm doing another cute little English speaking radio station.

[Co-host (possibly Melissa)]

Oh, it's funny when you do your.

[Dana (continuation or same as F)]

It's like Bart Simpson with the Ikea Ramba.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

Hey, Shakira, Melissa asks a really good question here.

[Co-host (possibly Melissa)]

Yeah, I'm just fascinated by the fact that you're not the first artist, but certainly the most recent that, you know, I mean, worldwide you were a phenomenon and then here in America, it's just not quite that level and wide. You think that there is such a difference?

[Dana (continuation or same as F)]

Well, laundry service did so good in America that I never expected such a welcome, you know, and so warm of an embracement of my music. And I feel so thankful, you know, with American fans for having listened to my music in English and in Spanish as well. You know, believe it or not, I think there's every time more and more people who are more open to listen to music in Spanish. Actually, MTV and VH1, for the first time ever, have been rotating this video entirely in Spanish, you know, and even the making of the video was done in Spanish with subtitles in English for MTV America. So I think things are changing and we're breaking barriers, and this is much more of a global world, and we're much closer to each other than what we think, you know, and we're more similar than what we think we are beyond the cultural differences and the language and the frontiers.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

But, Shakira, is there a small part of you that almost enjoys the. I don't want to say lack of attention, because you certainly get a lot of attention in our country. But in other parts of the world, I mean, you are attacked. I mean, the press is all over you. You can't step out of the house. And in our country, it's a little bit different. Is there a part of you that enjoys a little bit more freedom in our country than around the world?

[Dana (continuation or same as F)]

Actually, I had to move to the Bahamas.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

Oh, is that right?

[Dana (continuation or same as F)]

I really feel much more tranquil, isolated. And I have the privacy and the space to create and be with myself and by myself. Sometimes it's where I can really get introspective. And I think every artist needs those sort of spaces, right? Because, for example, there's places like the cities in the US where things are easier for celebrity, you know, like Los Angeles, maybe. But, for example, to walk in Miami, me, it's possible. There's always paparazzi. It's not the people, you know, the people are not the problem. Because I really love having that contact with my fans. I enjoy, you know, I always give autographs. I love, you know, taking pictures of people who ask me to take pictures with them. But it's just the paparazzi, what I find very annoying. You know, that's La Tortura of Shakira. My own torture, really, that invasion. Because, you know, when you're doing an interview with a journalist, that's it. You do your interview, you go home, and that's it. But paparazzi are sometimes hanging from a tree, and you don't even realize they're taking pictures in privacy of your own house. Those are things that are difficult to cope with.

[Co-host (possibly Tracy)]

Shakira, I can't stop hearing about your video in this studio, okay? And Your hip shaking, your belly dancing moves are absolutely amazing. Where in the world did you learn how to do that?

[Caller or Guest]

Thank you.

[Dana (continuation or same as F)]

I don't know. I guess it's a DNA thing, you know, genetics. I've been belly dancing since I was 4 years old. And that probably has to do a lot with the fact that I was born in a town where people, I think, learned how to dance before they even learn how to walk. That's the Caribbean. It's like that people. There's a huge culture around dancing and cult of the body as well.

[Co-host (possibly Tracy)]

So if you ever come to Atlanta, could you give me a lesson?

[Caller or Guest]

Sure.

[Co-host (possibly Tracy)]

Okay. If you're ever here in Atlanta, I want to. Okay. I want a belly dancing moves lesson from Shakira. I think my husband would enjoy that.

[Dana (continuation or same as F)]

Yeah, yeah. Whenever, Whenever, wherever.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

Hey, Shakira, a whole bunch of your fans would like to talk to you. Do you have some time to take some calls?

[Dana (continuation or same as F)]

Of course. Yes, always.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

And Vanessa, good morning. You are on with Shakira.

[Dana]

Hey, good morning. I'm a big fan, Shakira.

[Dana (continuation or same as F)]

I'm a fellow Colombian, and there's a.

[Dana]

Lot of Colombians actually here in Atlanta. I know. I've been following you since Don es San los lasrones. And I've seen as soon as you step out into the American market, they sexualize you and your body, and it's basically focused on how you move. And you obviously add to that. Do you think that takes away from your music? Because I find you a beautiful poet when you sing. So do you think that takes away from kind of the message and what you're trying to portray?

[Dana (continuation or same as F)]

Thank you.

[Dana]

Well.

[Dana (continuation or same as F)]

I feel that I've had a career for 14 years singing in Spanish. And of course, that means that there's a really deep relationship with my Hispanic fans and my music, and there's a deep understanding of what I do because of the time that's involved in this relationship. And it's normal. I find it very normal that when an artist is new to a market like I was a couple of years ago with laundry service, people first focus on the external, on the moves, on the looks, on the music itself. And probably they don't take the time to listen to what you say or the lyrics and stuff. And then little by little, once they establish a relationship with you, they start discovering you more deeply, you know, And I think that's what happened. I'm sure that the people who have laundry service in their houses, they know me. They know me much better than the people who don't, you know, because they have taken the time to listen to the lyrics in my songs and to understand who I really am and where I come from and what my motivations are in life. But that, you know, like, everything that always takes time. Like in relationship, you know, when you're dating somebody, you first, you know, feel attracted to that person, maybe in the physical aspect, and then there's a spiritual connection that comes after Shakira.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

You're talking about that deep relationship with. That you have with your fans in the Latin community. Do you find any in the.

[Dana (continuation or same as F)]

No, but I'm also talking about the deep connection that I feel I have with my also non Hispanic fans around the world and in America that have laundry service, you know, that have the time to really listen to each one of my songs in the album. And, you know, beyond the people who just watch me on TV and see me as a celebrity.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

Right. Has there been any, like, any resentment in the Latino community that you do your songs in English? Would they rather just have you continue to do them in Spanish?

[Dana (continuation or same as F)]

No, I think that they understand that it was really important for me to go down that road and explore new possibilities and open myself to the world. And I feel that they see me also as an ambassador of my culture and my country and my Hispanic. And I take everywhere I go that flag and plant it in each one of the countries I visit. So I feel that they've accompanied me throughout this process in a very beautiful, warm way.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

You know, Mario, you're on all the hits, Q100 and the Burt show talking to Shakira.

[Caller or Guest]

Hey, Mario. My name is Mario. I'm from Colombia as well. No, simplemente. I just wanted to call and tell you that I'm very happy that you are making it. And us as Colombians here. There are a lot of Colombians in the Atlanta metro area. And we are very, very proud of you, because you are definitely a sign of hope, because we all come from a country with a lot of turmoil, a lot of problems, and, you know, seeing you out there making it, it gives a lot of inspiration and inspires me to make it in my own field. And what I want to do. And seeing you out there doing it, it's just really good. And I support you 150%. I'm very proud of you.

[Dana (continuation or same as F)]

Thank you so much. Those are very beautiful words.

[Caller or Guest]

Very, very proud of you. Okay, so keep going, be strong, and hopefully we'll get out of this situation in Colombia and we'll turn heads.

[Dana]

Amen.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

Thanks, Mario.

[Caller or Guest]

All right. Bye. Bye.

[Dana (continuation or same as F)]

Okay, bye.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

Hey, Shakira. Are there words in English that no matter how much you try, you just.

[Dana (continuation or same as F)]

Can'T pronounce in English as much as.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

You practice and practice and practice?

[Dana (continuation or same as F)]

Yeah, there's one. Stiff. What do you call that? I can never remember that. You know when the car is not automatic? The opposite.

[Co-host (possibly Jeff)]

Standard.

[Dana (continuation or same as F)]

Standard. Yeah, but you say stiff.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

Shift.

[Dana (continuation or same as F)]

Thick shift.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

Yes.

[Dana (continuation or same as F)]

Stick shift. I always say stick is. I don't know.

[Dana]

I say.

[Dana (continuation or same as F)]

Never say it the right thing.

[Dana]

Stick.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

Stick, shift.

[Dana (continuation or same as F)]

Whatever.

[Co-host (possibly Melissa)]

Say it again.

[Dana]

Say it again.

[Co-host (possibly Jeff)]

Hey, Bert, other than Shakira, are there words in Spanish you have trouble pronouncing?

[Host (possibly Burt)]

All of them? Yes, Shakira. It's stick shift.

[Dana]

Stick shift.

[Dana (continuation or same as F)]

You got it.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

You got it, you got it.

[Dana (continuation or same as F)]

Yeah, but I'm sure I'll forget it. I'll forget it again.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

Once again, the new album is. And correct me if I'm wrong, here it's Fijacion oral. It's in stores now. And then in November, the album oral fixation comes out.

[Co-host (possibly Melissa)]

Correct.

[Dana (continuation or same as F)]

Volume two.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

Yes, volume two. Got it. Anything else I'm not covering? What other do you have? Movies coming out, more videos? What else is happening in Shakira's world?

[Dana (continuation or same as F)]

I'm sure new videos soon is the remix video to this same song, you know, and that I think will come out this week. This week. And there's more videos coming out soon and a tour next year and an album November. That's all about it.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

Whose concept was it for the video with all the, you know, the oil and all that? Was that your idea or was that somebody else?

[Dana (continuation or same as F)]

Well, it was a collaboration. You know, I get really involved in everything I do. I can't help it. I'm like a guardian dog, always witnessing and really watching the process of everything I do because I feel that's what I have to do somehow take care of every single detail that has to do with my career and the creative aspect of it. So this video, I don't know, the director came up with the script, and then I came up with the idea of slicing the onions and the tomato scene. And I wanted to be dancing on the roof deck. And then this idea of putting the oil rose and the black painting and all of that, which is something that I was looking for. I really wanted to portray this juxtaposition of ideas between the tribal and the urban. You know, I always felt like it was my alter ego. What was? Who was dancing on the roof deck. You know, like the beast inside me.

[Dana]

Or something like that.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

The angry Shakira that's obviously getting a lot of play. Because it seems like whenever I turn MTV on, there it is, you know.

[Dana (continuation or same as F)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

Well, congratulations. And again, we will link up to your website and we'll tell everybody to go out and buy the album. And we certainly hope when you're in Atlanta you can stop on by.

[Dana (continuation or same as F)]

Oh, yeah, I will. Thank you so much, guys.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

Okay, thank you. Bye now.

[Dana (continuation or same as F)]

Talk to you soon.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

Bye bye.

[Dana (continuation or same as F)]

Bye bye.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

The third show.

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[Dana]

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[Host (possibly Burt)]

So yesterday we took some really odd calls late in the show yesterday. Some depressing calls, I think late in the show.

[Co-host (possibly Jeff)]

The last. Last calls that we take.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Jeff)]

Take.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

Take.

[Co-host (possibly Melissa)]

Yeah.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

But, yeah, with Nicole. I mean, over the last couple of days, we've pretty much followed this storyline with Nicole and Karen and Aaron, and. And without getting into the whole thing, the two of them found that they were dating the same guy. Karen was dating him for nine months. Nicole was only dating him for three weeks. And they had this plan to confront him at Piedmont park on Saturday and publicly humiliate the guy and basically say, look, here's. We're both here. We know what's going on. You're a moron. Right? So yesterday, we get a call from Nicole, and she basically says, you know what? I knew that he was going out with Karen. I knew right from the start. You guys, if you've been listening about this time, probably heard the whole thing yesterday. But after we played that call from Nicole, and let me just play 60 seconds of that call just in case you didn't hear it yesterday, because we played it for the late Burt show listeners also. And the response that we got after we played it was really, really bizarre. First, let me play the call for you. This is Nicole yesterday.

[Dana]

I'll be honest with you. You know, when you guys called me, I was surprised to get a call from you guys. I am a fan, but I knew. I knew we were busted. I knew he had a girlfriend that he wanted out of the relationship, and he was going to break it off. And, I mean, I guess this just came to a head before he had a chance. So when I told him, you know, on the way to our date, he, you know, really needed my help, and he's like, I don't want her to be my girlfriend. I never wanted it. I want you. So I said, well, let's make it happen, Nicole.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

All right, so you. When you were on with us on Friday, you were acting. Then you knew that he had a girlfriend, and you knew that he was dating both of you guys.

[Dana]

Yeah, I did.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

Nicole, they've been going out with each other for nine months. You stole this guy out from right underneath.

[Co-host (possibly Melissa)]

You're the mistress.

[Dana]

You know what? I wasn't from the beginning. But once I found out what a, you know, crackhead she is, she's crazy, I thought, you know what? Let me help.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

She's absolutely nuts. Okay, so obviously, Nicole doesn't show up on Saturday. She bails, and she steals this guy, right? So we played that same thing for the late Burt show listeners yesterday in, like, the 9 o' clock hour. And check out some of the calls that we got because we all left the studio yesterday a little bit bummed about it, you know.

[Caller or Guest]

You guys not agree that all stay in love and war? No, I definitely think that. I mean, what happens if Nicole and this guy end up getting married and living together for the rest of their life? Like, then in 20 years, we're not going to look back and think, oh, well, you're still a cheater. Like, yes, I definitely think with the way that they hooked up, he could still cheat on her or whatnot. But you guys are hard on her because she's just out looking for love the same way all of us are.

[Dana (continuation or same as F)]

Can't be a mistress unless you're stealing someone else's husband.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

So you say there really are no. As long as there. That you're not engaged or not married. There are no rules about this. I mean, take what you can.

[Dana (continuation or same as F)]

Absolutely.

[Dana]

What do you think because you've dated for nine months that you're supposed to get married?

[Dana (continuation or same as F)]

That, you know, you can't be interested in anyone else? That doesn't make sense.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

There is a right way to do things and there is a wrong way to do things. And the way that they handled this was absolutely incorrect. You don't agree with that?

[Dana]

It doesn't matter if she came to him and he went to her and he told her.

[Dana (continuation or same as F)]

It doesn't matter if you leave one girlfriend for another.

[Dana]

You're accused of cheating if you're not.

[Dana (continuation or same as F)]

Married, your free game, that's the whole idea.

[Dana]

If they were married, it'd be a whole different ball game.

[Dana (continuation or same as F)]

You're not a mistress if you're not cheating with someone else's husband.

[Caller or Guest]

I gotta give some credit to Eric. He's a little pimp going on. Because if you could have the girls and then actually come out with one of them, just a man. And, you know, I hang out with him because he's just gonna teach men what it's like to be a man. Because that's what's good about it. We could get away with things like that. Now, if the girl did it, she'd be labeled as a slut or whatever. You know, he's just a man, so kudos to him.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

All right, so that was yesterday on the show. And I think we all left here just kind of shaking our heads.

[Commercial Announcer]

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[Co-host (possibly Tracy)]

Yeah, you can't have a mistress unless you're married. What is that?

[Host (possibly Burt)]

So I thought maybe we're Being old fashioned here. I mean, is this how if you're dating now and you're single, you're like, are these the rules of engagement now where you are fair game if you are not married? If you're just dating? Yeah, maybe you guys have made a verbal commitment to each other, but do you look at it if you're dating now like, you know what if they're not married, I can do anything I want. 404-741-1005 to me, this situation with Karen.

[Co-host (possibly Tracy)]

Who had been dating Aaron for nine months. I mean, obviously it was serious enough that he had plenty of stuff at her apartment because he went and cleared it out. And he had keys to her place and a key to her car.

[Co-host (possibly Jeff)]

In her car.

[Co-host (possibly Tracy)]

I mean, we're talking about, like, that's a serious relationship. If you give somebody keys to your place and keys to your car, that's a commitment level enough that you owe that woman respect.

[Co-host (possibly Jeff)]

Well, remember, she's psycho to break up.

[Co-host (possibly Melissa)]

With her first crackhead.

[Co-host (possibly Jeff)]

Yeah, she's psycho. Remember.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

As. By definition, as we heard yesterday, though, doesn't matter. You could be living with each other. That's fine. You could have co lease a car together, whatever. So long as you're not married, co lease a car, then you're fair game.

[Co-host (possibly Melissa)]

You know, the only thing that. The thing that bothered me about that is that naive view of wedding day changes everything that you can be, you know, your character can be compromised, but on your wedding day, all of a sudden you're gonna turn around and you're gonna be faithful and you're gonna be perfect. And I mean, that's just a ridiculous idea.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

So I think there are some times on this show that we talk about ideals, like what's going on ideally, rather than reality. So I guess what I'm asking for is if you're dating now and you're single, is the reality of the situation that, yeah, we look at it like everybody's fair game if you're not married. Hey, Tara.

[Co-host (possibly Melissa)]

Hi.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

Good morning.

[Dana]

Good morning to you guys. I just wanted to say that I do respect the show. I like the show, and I'm very impressed with everything that's being said today. But I wanted to make the point that Melissa and I respect you too. What you said earlier, I don't want to come out and, you know, be rude. What you said earlier, I just don't agree with. I am, I guess, what you would consider, like a serial cheater. I've cheated on every single one of my boyfriends. I'm 25. But the situation with me is. I know, I know when I get married, I'm going to get married. I'm not going to have. I'm not going to have. I don't know what it's called for girls. I'm not going to have a mistress, whatever. I'm not going to. I'm not going to cheat on my husband.

[Co-host (possibly Melissa)]

Why? Okay, let me ask a question though. Why do you know that when your behavior this far you haven't been able to be disciplined enough to stay faithful?

[Dana]

Because I'm not married. That's just it. I know how sacred marriage is to me. I know how devastated I would be if I found out that my husband was cheating on me. Marriage, I know, is totally different than being a single 25 year old in Atlanta these days or anywhere for that matter. And like a lot of the other people I think that might be listening or you know, are saying, if you're, if you're being protected, if you're protected, if you're not, you know, being irresponsible and if you're handling it in a mature manner and you're not just being disgusting about it, you can have fun. You can also date more than one person at the same time. And you don't have to date to just get married.

[Co-host (possibly Tracy)]

Now, you said that you've cheated on everybody you've been with. Do these guys in the relationships with you think that they're the only guy?

[Dana]

Some of them. Most of them do, yes.

[Co-host (possibly Melissa)]

Because you told them.

[Co-host (possibly Tracy)]

Most of them think that we're gonna be exclusive, we are just dating each other and then you go out and screw around on them.

[Dana]

Yes. I admit that is poor. I admit that is wrong.

[Co-host (possibly Tracy)]

Why do you have to have that exact exclusive conversation if you know you're just gonna keep dating other people? Like, why can't you tell them that?

[Dana]

I try to avoid that. And I don't want to put myself in a light like, oh, she's hot stuff. I really don't. But I honestly try to avoid that situation and. Because I really don't want to have to lie. But I know if it were me and if the guy were dating other women, it just happens that way. They just want to be exclusive with me. And I don't mean that to sound like I'm again, hot stuff. I just.

[Dana (continuation or same as F)]

They want to be exclusive.

[Dana]

You think what you want to think.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

If guys want to be exclusive and you don't and you say no, they're not going anywhere. Chances are pretty good they're coming Back anyway.

[Dana]

It sounds like it, doesn't it? I don't know what to say about that. I could try that, I guess.

[Co-host (possibly Melissa)]

Well, I think that it kind of goes back to what we were saying about ideal versus real. Like, I think in your ideal mind, the ideal you is someone that would not cheat on anybody. And the ideal you, all of a sudden you're going to be a different person on your wedding day. But. But in your everyday practice, you have turned yourself into someone who doesn't have the character that you think you do.

[Dana]

Well, no, I think the ideal me is someone who, when I get married, I won't cheat, but I don't see myself right now as the ideal person.

[Co-host (possibly Tracy)]

Well, if you're an attention hound now and you like thrive on getting that attention, that won't. I don't think it's an attention thing.

[Dana]

I disagree. I mean, I don't think it's an attention thing for me. You know, you being beautiful yourself probably could go out and, you know, get that type of attention. It's not you yourself, I don't think. Yeah, I don't know. Am I making that point? Is that totally bad?

[Host (possibly Burt)]

I mean, I think you're saying what you really believe. Just because we don't agree with it doesn't mean it's.

[Co-host (possibly Melissa)]

I'm just concerned for you, thinking that your life is going to be easy and carefree when you get married if you cheat up until that point.

[Dana]

Why would you think that?

[Co-host (possibly Melissa)]

Because I just. Again, I mean, it's just out of concern of that again, that ideal view that all of a sudden one person is going to change everything and it doesn't work that way. You know, you really have to discipline yourself to be a better person before you get to that point.

[Dana]

Take, for example. I'm sorry, I don't mean to cut you off, but take, for example, right now, like I'm. I'm seeing two guys and they don't know each other. And one of them I was actually fairly exclusive with for about five or six months. And then the other one was exclusive, you know, like last year kind of thing together and, you know, that kind of thing. And they don't know about each other, but they know of each other. I mean, does that help at all?

[Co-host (possibly Melissa)]

So they know they're not exclusive?

[Dana]

No, they don't know they're not exclusive.

[Co-host (possibly Jeff)]

They just don't know each other personally.

[Dana]

That's correct.

[Co-host (possibly Tracy)]

Well, you need to ask yourself, why can't you be honest with them? Like, why do you feel the need to lie? To them.

[Dana]

I mean, I felt like I was being fairly close to honest and that they do know of each other.

[Co-host (possibly Tracy)]

They just ask yourself why? Like, why are you doing that? What are the reasons behind you not being able to say, hey, I'm dating two people? I mean, I really like you, but I've got this other person in my life. Are you afraid one of them's gonna leave? Like, are you afraid to be alone? I mean, I'm just wondering, like, you need to ask yourself, just to be fair to yourself, why.

[Co-host (possibly Jeff)]

Yeah, I think the. I think a better question is why not?

[Host (possibly Burt)]

What do you mean, why not?

[Co-host (possibly Tracy)]

Well, it's just selfish and rude and mean to the other person, that's why not.

[Co-host (possibly Melissa)]

They don't. They both think they're exclusive.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

They both? Yeah, they both think they're exclusive.

[Co-host (possibly Jeff)]

No, she said they both know that each other exists.

[Co-host (possibly Tracy)]

No, they don't.

[Dana]

They know each other exist. And then I went out with them. Yeah, you're in the past.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

But they don't.

[Dana]

They don't know of each other right now.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

Yeah, they have no idea.

[Co-host (possibly Jeff)]

Oh, yeah. Dude.

[Dana (continuation or same as F)]

Bitch.

[Co-host (possibly Melissa)]

I just. I mean, seriously, you know, I'm not judging. I'm just saying that I really think you need. I think you need to consider the fact that, like, what Jen's trying to get at is if there's a reason you do this now, the behavior is not going to necessarily be easy to change later on, you know. So I really think that you need to start practicing being someone who is honest with the people you're with, and then that will make you someone better, you know, in your marriage is all I'm saying.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

Are you the exception or are you the rule?

[Dana]

What do you mean?

[Host (possibly Burt)]

Do you find most people that you know that are single and dating right now have the same attitude about it that you do, or do you find that, you know what, if I'm dating somebody, even though we're not married, I'm gonna keep it exclusive?

[Dana]

I think I'll be honest. None of my girlfriends, I have a very, you know, close knit group of, you know, several girlfriends. None of my girlfriends do what I do, but they don't. And they would be honest with me if they thought I was being bad or if I was being wrong. And they would say, you know what, you're just being a.

[Co-host (possibly Melissa)]

You know what Jeff said.

[Dana]

Yeah, but I think that for the most part, no. I mean, it's not a practice per se that everybody's doing, but it's definitely something that people are more accepting of in their mindset. Because if my girlfriend thought I was being horrible, they would tell me, you know, I've done horrible things. They told me you're horrible, and they mean it, you know, and I. And I respect them. Just like I respect, you know, the constructive criticisms say so.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

Oh, good, because you're gonna get some of that.

[Co-host (possibly Jeff)]

Constructive criticism is being polite, by the way.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

Hey, Shelley. Shelley, go ahead. You're on with Tara.

[Dana (continuation or same as F)]

Guess what.

[Dana]

You're horrible. I mean, it's all about what you want back in life. Do you want the same respect that you give out to someone else?

[Dana (continuation or same as F)]

And if that's the way you're gonna.

[Dana]

Treat people, that's what you're gonna get back. I understand where everybody's coming from on that, and I understand that you do think it's horrible. But here's the thing. Yes, there's that big lie. And I can admit that since it's cheating and they don't know about each other in any of the situations I've ever been in, that it's a lie. But I am honest in the relationship for the rest of it. I know that doesn't make up for it. No.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

Are you making a million excuses for yourself?

[Dana]

A lie is a lie.

[Dana (continuation or same as F)]

The whole relationship is a lie.

[Dana]

It's based on a lie.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

Yeah. I don't know how you could say I'm partnering and I'm a great girlfriend in every other way except I'm screwing around on my boyfriends.

[Co-host (possibly Tracy)]

And here's my question further. I know it's kind of personal. Are you sleeping with both of them?

[Dana]

Yes.

[Co-host (possibly Tracy)]

And they don't know that?

[Dana]

No.

[Co-host (possibly Tracy)]

Are you protected with both of them?

[Dana]

Yes.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

And Andrew agrees.

[Co-host (possibly Tracy)]

Every single time.

[Dana]

Every. Every single time.

[Co-host (possibly Melissa)]

Okay, good.

[Dana]

But that is something that was a part of the responsibility thing, I guess I was trying to get at earlier.

[Co-host (possibly Tracy)]

Gotcha.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

Andrew agrees with your theory. Hey, Andrew.

[Caller or Guest]

How you doing?

[Host (possibly Burt)]

What's up, man?

[Caller or Guest]

I mean, I agree with her. I mean, I know. I know one thing. I'm feeling like if she met the right person, then she's not going to cheat and then eventually will get married. But right now, both of them might not be right for her. I mean, because, I mean, I do the same thing. And a lot of times, you know, while I'm dating a girl, you know, and they, you know, I'm not going to tell them, you know, that I'm dating somebody else because then they'll just kind of cut you off right away.

[Co-host (possibly Tracy)]

No, they won't. That's the difference. I think Bert said that about guys, like, for for the girl that worked with you.

[Dana]

For me, They. I don't. And I again, don't mean to come off like I'm hot stuff, but they probably wouldn't. I think he's right.

[Co-host (possibly Tracy)]

Yeah.

[Caller or Guest]

The girls. The girls will cut you off right away. And they don't give you a chance to get to know them.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

No, they won't.

[Dana]

That's the weird part about trying to.

[Caller or Guest]

Get to know people and trying to find out if you want to be with them. And so, you know, you say, you know, okay, I'm just dating you just so you can get to know them. But then if it doesn't work out, then you break up. You know, you know, if, you know, you're not going to be with that person. Because I feel if I deal with that person that I'm going to be with, I'm going to be with them and it's going to be the right person for me and then I'm going to stop doing that kind of stuff.

[Co-host (possibly Tracy)]

I understand why you would think that way, but honestly, I have dated a guy in the past that was dating other women, and I didn't stop dating him because he was dating other people. I wanted to win him over.

[Co-host (possibly Melissa)]

Like, it made me.

[Co-host (possibly Tracy)]

Like it was a challenge. It made me want to date him more.

[Co-host (possibly Jeff)]

So maybe she's onto something. Maybe she. That he should let the other guy know absolutely there's somebody else there and let her. Let them fight it out.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

He's not going anywhere. I'm telling you. I'm telling you.

[Co-host (possibly Tracy)]

Especially if you're hot.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

Yeah. All right, Tara, thanks a lot. Appreciate you calling.

[Co-host (possibly Tracy)]

Thanks for your honesty.

[Co-host (possibly Jeff)]

Get it.

[Host (possibly Burt)]

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[Host (possibly Burt)]

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[Co-host (possibly Tracy)]

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[Host (possibly Burt)]

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[Commercial Announcer]

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[Dana]

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[Co-host (possibly Tracy)]

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[Dana]

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[Commercial Announcer]

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[Co-host (possibly Tracy)]

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[Dana]

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[Host (possibly Burt)]

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