Full Show PT 3: Tuesday, May 5 [Vault]

Summary

The Bert Show – Full Show PT 3: Tuesday, May 5 [Vault]

Date: May 5, 2026
Hosts: Bert, Kristin, Abby, Cassie, Tommy, and the cast

Episode Overview

This lively installment of The Bert Show blends humor, personal moments, and real-life drama into a quintessential morning show experience. The three main segments are:

1. Intern Lauren’s hair extension journey with a professional stylist.
2. A roundtable and listener discussion on Chris Brown’s public apology and domestic violence controversy.
3. A call-in debate about whether it’s ethical (or legal) to fire someone for representing themselves as engaged during a job interview—when they’re actually single.

Throughout, the show’s trademark banter and genuine listener input highlight why this morning team connects so strongly with its audience.

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Segment 1: Intern Lauren Gets Hair Extensions (00:45–06:29)

Key Points and Insights

• Background: Inspired by Chris Rock’s film "Good Hair," Intern Lauren (who describes herself as “a little white girl”) enlists renowned stylist Jason Grigors to give her hair extensions, exploring and appreciating Black women’s hair culture.
• The Process:
  • Lauren shares her honest experiences, describing the application as “very painful…like a little needle just, like, going in my head” (01:36, Lauren).
  • Jason clarifies: “There were little needles very close to her head…none of them actually penetrated her cranium” (01:48, Jason), and explains the tightness primarily comes from hair being pulled and woven.
• Reactions to the Finished Look:
  • Female co-hosts and Lauren remark on how natural and thick it looks—no one can tell they’re extensions unless they knew Lauren before:
    • “Not unless I knew her before…I would not know” (03:01, Jen).
    • “The hair color that was blended in is perfectly matched" (03:05, Wendy).
  • Lauren, on seeing herself: “It just feels like I have some kind of, like, animal in my head… oh my goodness, wow.” (03:55–03:59, Lauren).
• Listener Calls:
  • Sheila warns Lauren is “in for a lot of pain for the next week…at least 10 Advil a day” (04:37–04:48, Sheila).
  • The cast jokes about post-extension discomfort, and Lauren admits, “Well, I guess so” when asked if she’ll debut the look with boys this weekend (05:59, Lauren).
• Stylist Jason’s Comic Relief:
  • “It’s like a NASCAR, man. I’ve got my pit crew…the thing is, I have a mortgage, three car notes, and private school. So, yeah, I need to work” (04:26–04:31, Jason).
• Cultural Reflection:
  • The cast lightly explores the social perceptions of hair and beauty, with Jason noting, “With anything with aesthetics…you don’t want to draw a huge amount of attention to it…you just want people to be like ‘oh, she’s got really nice…’” (03:32–03:46, Jason).

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Segment 2: Chris Brown & Rihanna – Accountability, Apology, and Public Response (08:03–22:21)

Context

The team dissects Chris Brown’s new single “Crawl” and public interview responses following Rihanna’s highly emotional single “Russian Roulette”—released after Brown’s notorious assault on her.

Key Discussion Points

• Timing and Messaging:
  • The Bert Show crew questions the timing of Chris Brown’s release, noting how it overlapped with Rihanna’s music comeback and seemed inauthentic:
    • “It felt like…his release…felt mistimed to us” (08:03, Host Chris).
• Listener and Host Critique:
  • One caller’s visceral reaction: “That song made me want to vomit…he’s manipulating her with his lyrics, and it’s horrible” (09:53–10:10, Caller Sheila and Wendy).
  • The team debates whether Brown’s public apologies feel sincere.
    • “It still doesn’t feel like he’s totally embracing an apology…” (14:47, Host Chris).
    • “If that were me, I would be so embarrassed to go out in public again…my apology to the world would sound a lot different than that” (15:19, Host Chris).
    • “I don’t think he’s really that upset by it” (15:16, Lauren).
• Quotes from Chris Brown’s Interview:
  • “If people feel a certain way, it’s not…I’m not gonna say that they’re wrong...but at the end of the day, it’s not right to judge somebody when people make mistakes… I’ve learned from my mistakes, and I regret every moment” (11:06–12:09, Chris Brown).
  • “At the end of the day, I’m sorry for what I did…only me and Shorty know what went down in the car… I leave it at that” (14:22, Chris Brown).
• Diverse Listener Opinions:
  • Some defend Chris as young and human: “People make mistakes… It’s not fair. Everybody makes mistakes. I did it [abused my husband].” (16:06–16:59, Caller Sheila).
  • Others counter that the brutality demands more serious reflection, and criticize the lack of genuine contrition.
• Debate Over Public Image vs. Accountability:
  • “If he had taken more time off…to analyze himself…he would have sounded more sincere" (20:52, Caller Kimberly).
  • “This is a great time for him to gain public confidence back by being an advocate for women’s violence…he’s not taking the right opportunity” (21:40, Wendy).
  • “You cannot be swayed—if you’re a Chris Brown fan, you can’t be swayed; if you’re not, you can’t be swayed” (21:52, Host Chris).

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Segment 3: Can You Fire a Single Woman for “Faking” an Engagement During a Job Interview? (33:26–46:31)

Scenario and Initial Caller

• Sheila (caller) and her husband own a small business. They hired a new female employee who wore an engagement ring during the interview—but confessed two weeks later she’s not engaged, she only wears it because “studies show engaged or married women are more desirable employees” (34:03–35:10, Sheila).
• Sheila feels uncomfortable—she considers this dishonest and is uneasy about having an “attractive, single woman” around her husband.

Key Discussion Points

• Hosts Push Back:
  • “She wasn’t necessarily lying…people get jewelry from family that only fits on that finger” (35:26, Jen).
  • Sheila clarifies: “She was really honest…but we’re two weeks in…I was like, I don’t feel comfortable with it” (35:37, Sheila).
• Is Wearing a Ring Falsifying, or Just Interview Tactics?
  • “That’s representing yourself falsely… it’s like lying on your resume…makes me very uncomfortable” (35:13, Sheila).
  • “If she had said, ‘I’m engaged’—that would be a blatant lie. But she did not lie to you” (38:00, Wendy).
  • “It says that you want to get that job” (42:35, Lauren).
• Underlying Trust and Insecurity Issues:
  • “I do not feel comfortable with someone who misrepresents themselves in the interview… and I do not feel comfortable with an attractive single woman in the office” (43:20, Sheila).
  • Lauren calls out the insecurity: “What is the nature of your company?…Are you this insecure?” (42:16, Lauren).
• Legality & Discrimination:
  • Jen: “I'm looking up the EEOC right now because I don’t see how marital status is any different than race, gender, sexual preference…It’s illegal” (42:37, Jen).
  • “Marital status is a protected entity as far as also sex, race…You cannot hire and fire somebody based on that. That is just asinine, to be honest” (44:05, Caller Q).
• Analogies Challenge the Logic:
  • “What if she wore a cross around her neck and you were like, ‘she represented as a Christian’? It’s just as ridiculous as this marital status thing” (45:07, Jen).
  • Lauren: “Her filter is her husband…every argument you’re giving is valid, but she’s not listening…because her filter is [the threat to] her husband” (45:51, Lauren).
• Sheila’s Bottom Line:
  • “I absolutely would let her go” (46:29, Sheila).

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Hair Extensions
  • Lauren: “It just feels like I have some kind of, like, animal in my head.” (03:55)
  • Jason (Stylist): “It’s like a NASCAR, man. I’ve got my pit crew.” (04:26)
• On Chris Brown
  • Caller Sheila: “That song made me want to vomit.” (09:53)
  • Host Chris: “It still doesn’t feel like he’s totally embracing an apology.” (14:47)
  • Jen: “I think from a personal standpoint…he needs to get some more help with domestic violence.” (21:59)
• On Singles and the Workplace
  • Sheila: “I do not feel comfortable with someone…who misrepresents themselves…and I do not feel comfortable with an attractive, single woman in the office.” (43:20)
  • Jen: “It’s just as ridiculous as this marital status thing. Exactly the same thing.” (45:29)
  • Caller Q: “Marital status is a protected entity…You cannot hire and fire somebody based on that.” (44:05)

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Other Light Moments

• Baby “Talking” Debate (22:21–32:31):
  • Scott: “She’s already saying mama.”
  • Jen: “Isn’t Dada typically the first?”
  • The team analyzes a recording of a baby allegedly saying “mama,” with lots of playful skepticism, leading to comical tangents about parents’ perceptions and sound recognition.

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:45–06:29: Intern Lauren’s hair extension adventure.
• 08:03–22:21: Chris Brown/Rihanna controversy, public apology debate.
• 22:24–32:31: Lighthearted debate over babies’ first words.
• 33:26–46:31: Caller drama—employee fakes engagement, marital status & workplace ethics debate.

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Summary

The episode highlights the show's realness, humor, and willingness to tackle uncomfortable truths. Whether exploring beauty standards, dissecting celebrity accountability, or debating workplace ethics, The Bert Show invites both laughs and reflection—often at the same time. Audience participation remains central, giving authenticity and balance to heated or funny studio debates.

Transcript

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[Host Chris]

the Birch show so we've got intern Lauren, who a couple of days ago came on with us, and she said that she was watching Chris Rock in an interview with Oprah, talking about his new movie, which is good hair. And Lauren, little white girl, was all envious of black women and their hair. The extensions, the rows, the weaves, the wigs. So she told us about that. So we called up Jason Grigors, who is a stylist that's in the movie. Very well known in the industry. Very well known. And for the last, what, two hours he's been working on Ya, Lauren. Hour and a half or so.

[Jason (Stylist)]

Yeah.

[Lauren (Intern)]

Yeah. I mean, it's been a while.

[Jason (Stylist)]

Funny how time flies.

[Host Chris]

And, you know, when we checked in with her an hour ago, it was painful.

[Lauren (Intern)]

Yeah. So it was very painful. And then towards the end, it was less painful. But as he was putting the hair in, I mean, it felt like there was like a little needle just, like going in my head.

[Host Chris]

Like, Jason, were there little needles going in her head?

[Jason (Stylist)]

There were little needles very close to her head.

[Jen]

Okay.

[Jason (Stylist)]

None of them actually penetrated her cranium.

[Lauren (Intern)]

It felt like it was it the pulling of it.

[Host Chris]

Pulling of your hair? Is that what it was hurting for?

[Lauren (Intern)]

I mean, he was pulling it and then just like, you know, just weaving the hair in, I guess. But it just felt like the little needle was about to go in my head, and I'm just like, oh, be careful.

[Jason (Stylist)]

It was close.

[Lauren (Intern)]

Yeah, it was very, very, very close.

[Host Chris]

So you haven't now. This is not the final product yet, Jason?

[Jason (Stylist)]

Pretty much, yeah. I'm gonna do just a little tweaking of the haircut on the back. But this is pretty much it.

[Wendy]

It looks fantastic.

[Announcer]

I think it looks really good.

[Jen]

I'm so excited. I mean, your hair is so much fuller because Lauren has pretty hair. It' I have a similar kind of hair, like, where it's just. There's Just not a lot of it.

[Lauren (Intern)]

Right.

[Jen]

So the extension's really, like, just. Just make it. You look still, like, full and.

[Lauren (Intern)]

Yeah, I haven't.

[Jen]

Just looks fresh and healthy and.

[Lauren (Intern)]

Yeah, I haven't seen it yet. It just feels like I have some kind of, like, animal in my head. Like, it just feels very odd.

[Host Chris]

She. Now, let me ask you a question, because to a guy's eye, we. If we saw her out, we would have no idea she has extensions in her hair. As women, could you point it out and say those are extensions?

[Wendy]

Not at all.

[Jen]

Not unless I knew her before.

[Host Chris]

Really?

[Caller Sheila]

Yeah.

[Jen]

I would not know because the hair

[Wendy]

color that was blended in is perfectly matched with her original hair color. It's matched perfectly.

[Jen]

And I think because you had so many different colors in your hair and you put in three different kinds of extensions, I think that that's what's cool about it is that it's not as noticeable. Right. And it's kind of curly and wavy right now, too, which I think helps because I've seen girls with long, straight extensions, and to me, you can see that. Jason, do you agree or.

[Jason (Stylist)]

I agree. And, you know, I think with anything with aesthetics, with hair, with anything that you do to enhance what you have, you know, you don't want to draw a huge amount of attention to it. You just want people to be like, oh, she's got really nice discs, or she has really nice dad or somebody has really nice thick.

[Chris Brown (Interviewee)]

Have a mouth.

[Burt]

I like this and that.

[Host Chris]

You want to see it?

[Caller Sheila]

She hasn't even seen it yet. Sure.

[Host Chris]

Check it out.

[Lauren (Intern)]

Oh, wow.

[Caller Sheila]

Yeah.

[Lauren (Intern)]

I mean, coming in here, I had, like, straight hair now just really curly

[Caller Sheila]

and a lot of it.

[Lauren (Intern)]

Oh, my goodness. Wow.

[Host Chris]

Do you like it?

[Lauren (Intern)]

Yeah, no, I like it. It's very. It blended very well, which I was surprised because looking at the bag, I was kind of worried about it, but.

[Burt]

Look like a bag of dead cats.

[Lauren (Intern)]

Yeah, I mean, it really did.

[Announcer]

It almost feels like.

[Jen]

Jason, you worked so fast.

[Announcer]

Yeah, man.

[Jen]

I mean, if somebody typically went in, would it take longer than what you did this morning?

[Jason (Stylist)]

No, I have an assistant. And as long as the clients come on time and I have my assistant, we. We're on it. We're moving.

[Host Chris]

It's like a nascar, man. He's got his pit crew. The thing is, I have a mortgage

[Jason (Stylist)]

three car notice in private school. So, yeah, I need to work.

[Host Chris]

Here's Renee. Good Morning. You're on Q100.

[Caller Sheila]

Good morning, guys. Hi. Just wanted to let Lauren know that she's in for a lot of pain for the next week.

[Burt]

Oh, my God.

[Lauren (Intern)]

That's good to know.

[Burt]

Yeah, it's a fun call.

[Caller Sheila]

She thought it was bad. Now, wait until the pain kicks in from your, like, aching of your head. I would say at least 10 Advil a day.

[Host Chris]

Why would there be pain?

[Announcer]

Why would there be Debbie?

[Host Chris]

Why would there be pain in her

[Jason (Stylist)]

kill Joy off the morning.

[Host Chris]

What's the pain in the head you're talking about?

[Caller Sheila]

Well, I mean, I only got two rows because I have the same issue as Lauren and Jen that my hair is just not thick enough. So I only got two rows before. And ladies, you know what I'm talking about. If you have your hair in a ponytail for, like, a whole day and you take it out and it's just like that release of your head aching, that's how it's going to feel, but, like, constant for, like a week.

[Jen]

Do you get used to it, though?

[Caller Sheila]

Yeah, you do get used to it.

[Burt]

No, it's miserable.

[Caller Sheila]

You start it jam.

[Burt]

Yeah. You actually want to stab yourself in the eyes because that would feel better. Some people lie down on a curb and ask people to kick him in

[Announcer]

the back of the head just to

[Burt]

make it feel better.

[Host Chris]

Like, there are all sorts of people calling up now saying, don't do it. Well, it's a little late for that.

[Announcer]

I'm really excited for that.

[Burt]

They're not.

[Host Chris]

It looks good. It looks really good.

[Wendy]

Fantastic.

[Burt]

So are you gonna go out this weekend and try it out? Like, with boys?

[Wendy]

Yeah.

[Lauren (Intern)]

Well, I guess so.

[Host Chris]

Do you have a boyfriend?

[Lauren (Intern)]

No.

[Host Chris]

Okay.

[Jason (Stylist)]

You will by the time.

[Host Chris]

Hey, Jason, thanks a lot for coming in. Thank you guys for having me.

[Jen]

Yeah, There are movies out now, right?

[Host Chris]

The movie's out now.

[Jason (Stylist)]

The movie hit select cities on the 9th, I think, and it's nationwide on tomorrow.

[Host Chris]

Tomorrow?

[Burt]

Tomorrow. He's the white fella.

[Host Chris]

Yeah. You'll know, Jason.

[Jason (Stylist)]

That's like a thing in there.

[Lauren (Intern)]

And we talk about the Chris Rock movie.

[Host Chris]

Yeah, it's called Good Hair. Y he sticks out for sure in this movie. All right, Jason, Thanks a lot.

[Jason (Stylist)]

Thank you.

[Burt]

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[Host Chris]

The bird show all right, so Chris Brown is back and we've been talking about him for a couple of days. It felt like to us that his release of a song a couple of days ago felt mistimed to us. Or was it a video, some pictures

[Jen]

and stuff yesterday, and then the song was released today. So you know, Rihanna came out with her single and she had a countdown clock on her website. Everybody's very excited. It, it's called Russian Roulette. We played it for you yesterday. It's a really heavy song. Talking about her struggles with the relationship with Chris Brown. I mean, and it's, it's a really painful song. I got chill bumps. Wendy cried over it, whatever. So it was kind of Rihanna's moment and it was also the moment she announced when her album was coming out, which is going to be on November 23rd. So it's a really big deal for her. Well, at this, on the same exact day that she did that Chris Brown put out like still photos from his video shoot, talked about this new song coming out and then has put out this new single called Crawl actually following Rihanna's release. His is out today.

[Host Chris]

So we've been pretty critical about Chris Brown and Jen's gonna play you some clips from an interview he did in New York in a couple of minutes. But here's a sample of the song that came out and I think it was, I think you handled it really well this morning when you read the words to the song.

[Jen]

Yeah, I think you still had the lyrics. You might have thrown them out. But We Bert. We always tease Bert because he doesn't listen to lyrics of songs, and so we made him read them out loud.

[Burt]

Yeah. Google him real quick.

[Jen]

He could understand. It's called Chris Brown Crawl. Yeah. He's got still that restraining order. He's not supposed to talk to her or email her or contact her for five years. Plus that restraining order that keeps him 100 yards away. And if they're at the same entertainment event, it's 10 yards away. So this is really the only way he can get his message to her. But it sounded very different yesterday to me with her message. Right. I mean, it didn't sound like she was on that same page whatsoever of Rihanna's Russian Roulette. We're going to play for you some of this interview that he did Yesterday.

[Host Chris]

Good morning. Q100.

[Caller Sheila]

Yeah, that. Oh, my God, that song made me want to vomit.

[Host Chris]

Which one?

[Caller Sheila]

The Chris Brown.

[Host Chris]

Why?

[Caller Sheila]

Because he's. I hate men that abuse women like that. And then he's gonna crawl back to love.

Yeah, okay.

[Wendy]

He's manipulating her with his lyrics, and it's horrible.

[Host Chris]

I mean, really, the only way he has. The only power he has to communicate with her right now is through song.

[Caller Sheila]

Well, still, it probably makes her want to vomit, too.

[Host Chris]

I'm right there with you.

[Burt]

Hopefully I'm right there.

[Wendy]

I don't think so. I don't know.

[Jen]

I think it would put his claws right back in her.

[Burt]

Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if they kind

[Wendy]

of want to hear, like, when you break up with somebody, or even if it's abusive, if not emotional, physical. I mean, if you're with somebody for so long, those are the words you want to hear. Like, oh, God, he still loves me. Maybe I'll give him one more chance. But total manipulation.

[Host Chris]

So up until this point, all we have seen, really, is a video of Chris Brown speaking in front of the camera saying, I'm sorry. And then we saw him on Larry King, acting a little contrite also, and he went on a radio station, Hot 97 up in New York, I think it was yesterday. And started to speak a little bit more candidly about he and Rihanna and everything.

[Chris Brown (Interviewee)]

Of course, you have your opinions and your thoughts, and that's perfectly fine. So if you feel that way, and if people feel a certain way, it's not a. I'm not gonna say that they're wrong for feeling however they feel because their opinion. But at the end of the day, it's not right to judge somebody. Of course you're gonna have your. Of course you're gonna have your opinions and your thoughts, and that's perfectly fine. So if you feel that way, and if people feel certain ways, I'm not gonna say that they're wrong for feeling however they feel because their opinion. But at the end of the day, it's not right to judge somebody when people make mistakes every. All the time. And I've learned from my mistakes, and I'm learning from them as we go, and I regret every moment of every second of it. So I can't expect people to have me be perfect. Although sometimes as an artist and as entertainers, we are looked at as perfectionists, and especially you.

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You were like, clean cut Wrigley commercial role model for the kids. And then, you know, so that everybody was just, like, in shock.

[Chris Brown (Interviewee)]

Yeah. I mean, and that was one of the most. Most embarrassing things for me, too, is just because of my image and who I was as a young role model to a lot of kids and how people looked up to me, even parents and stuff like that. It was. It was. It was kind of hard for me because I let a lot of people down, and I felt that it was like turning my back on a lot of my fans and turning my back on a lot of people, even the people I love. You know what I'm saying? Like, letting a lot of people down in the midst of everything.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

I mean, do you fully realize the situation people and how bad that people feel about what?

[Chris Brown (Interviewee)]

I totally realize. And I know because, like, me being a kid who grew up with domestic violence and certain things in my household when I was growing up, I mean, that's something that I never want to put anybody through or let anybody have that reminiscent feeling of that's not who I am at all. So I feel like with a lot of stuff having the feelings like a lot of people, I wouldn't say they blew it out of proportion, but people didn't act like we were human. Like. And I'm not saying I'm not justifying the situation by any means, just that a lot of people looked at it like, okay, it was. It was this, it was that. And. And like, they don't have any. That they don't make mistakes.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

The worst part of it was the picture to see her face like that.

[Chris Brown (Interviewee)]

Yeah, definitely.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

You know, it was disturbing. Like, you know, it feels.

[Chris Brown (Interviewee)]

Of course it was. It was. It was.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

So that's what we know of what happened. Is that. Is that the whole story? Is that what happened?

[Chris Brown (Interviewee)]

Like I said, I know. I know y' all seen me on Larry King. And everything with the bow tie and everybody wanted to know, and everybody's still trying to know what it was. And, like, out of respect for. For me, my privacy and, like, her, definitely. I don't. I don't, like, really talk about it, and I don't want to go into it, but I just feel like a lot of. Whether it's with reports or whether it's what media has said and stuff has been, like. I wouldn't say altered, but definitely a lot of extra stuff has been added and falsified into a lot of stuff. But I'm not justifying what went down because I do still realize what you did. Yeah. I still realize it's not okay in any way, shape or form.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

It was said that there was. You had some injuries from the evening, but there was no pictures or anything like that on the Internet. Were you injured in this? In the.

[Chris Brown (Interviewee)]

Honestly, I just would like to get past it. Honestly. Like, it's not even a fact. I think at the end of the day, I'm sorry for what I did. Whatever it is and whatever it is, only me and Shorty know what went down in the car. So I like to leave it between us. So I ain't saying nothing on her behalf or nothing on my behalf. It's just. I leave it at that.

[Burt]

Somebody's gotta keep him away from a microphone.

[Host Chris]

It still doesn't feel like he's totally embracing an apology, you know, like, only she and I know what happened in the car.

[Lauren (Intern)]

People blow it out of proportion. And just the, you know, and just the.

[Jen]

Too many words. Yeah.

[Lauren (Intern)]

I mean, just the whole idea of, you know, that's not who I am. Well, Chris.

[Caller Sheila]

Yeah.

[Lauren (Intern)]

Guess what? It is who you are. It should be like, oh, my God,

that is who I am.

[Burt]

Can't believe this is who I am.

[Lauren (Intern)]

I never wanted to be this guy, and here I am. So I've got, you know, it just. I don't know, it just doesn't seem like he's doing.

[Scott]

He.

[Lauren (Intern)]

I don't know that he's really that upset by it.

[Host Chris]

Yeah. It doesn't feel like a genuine. Like, if that were. If that were me, I would be so embarrassed to go out in the public again and so nervous that that person is inside of me, that I'm capable of doing something like that, that. I think my apology to the world would sound a lot different than that.

[Lauren (Intern)]

Yeah.

[Jen]

You come from a different background, though, and you come from a different family, and you come from a different set of, I don't know, limitations and a Certain set of rules and how you interact with women. And he doesn't come from that same place. Yeah, I don't think that.

[Host Chris]

I don't know. You think we're being too hard on him?

[Jen]

No, I don't think we're being too hard on him at all. No, I think it's horrible. But I think I'm trying to explain why he isn't reacting the way you were saying you would react.

[Host Chris]

Yeah, we do. We come from different backgrounds, different places. Hey, Belinda. Good morning.

[Caller Sheila]

Hey. How y' all doing?

[Host Chris]

Okay. How are you?

[Caller Sheila]

I think y' all have been way too hard on Chris Brown. People make mistakes. I met my husband when I was 15, and he was 16, and I was full rotten, and I used to hit him and abuse him all the time. And my mama saw this, and, I mean, now I'm 32 and he's 33, and I wouldn't dare hit him because I have three sons, and I don't want them to grow up like that. Everybody makes mistakes. Everybody's been too hard on him. Yes, he's young. People make mistakes. People need to just, you know, he apologized for it. He can't live through this his whole life as just that man. Oh, he hit Rihanna. That's not fair. He makes mistakes. Everybody makes mistakes. I did it. I was abusive to my husband. He never hit me, but I hit him.

[Host Chris]

But I think it's the pure brutality of it also.

[Lauren (Intern)]

Did you get a lot of. I mean, but when you. That transition from you abusing your husband to not abusing your husband, did you get a lot of criticism for that?

[Caller Sheila]

I did. My mom told me that, you know, if. If it was the other way around, how would you want me to react with him? You know, that's not right for you to hit him. You need to, you know, know that hitting don't solve anything. And now that you've done that, apologize and go through it with Ben, you know, you would never hit him again and show that you won't do that, and I would never. And like I said, we've been together almost 20 years now.

[Lauren (Intern)]

Right.

Well, I get my point is that I think maybe he needs to go through trial by fire to get to the point where you are, because I'm not convinced that he is someone who wouldn't do that again.

[Host Chris]

Only have a time for, like, two more calls. Good morning, Ellen. You're on Q100.

[Caller Sheila]

Hi, it's Elon. Elon, I'm listening from D.C. so I'm kind of, you know, behind, but I mean, I love you. Got your show. I just moved to D.C. i miss Atlanta a lot. But you guys come down on Chris Brown really hard. And every interview that he's done, and I know it sounds very scripted, very. I don't want to know what happened between him and Rihanna in the car. Personally, I wouldn't want him to come out and say, yeah, this went down, this went down. She hit me first, so I retaliated. I wouldn't want to know that. So for him to say what happened in the car between me and her, that's okay for me because I don't know him personally, and it's just none of my business. I wouldn't want to know because as a fan of Chris Brown, I really wouldn't know. I mean, I'm a fan of both of them. It's just. I wouldn't want to know any of that information. I don't feel like people think that stars are not human, and when they make mistakes, they. They just. You know, they just hold it against them forever. And I don't.

[Burt]

Excuse me. Can you at least acknowledge in the audio clip that we just played and you just heard from that New York City radio station that he was wordy and dancing around the issue?

[Caller Sheila]

I mean, yes, definitely.

[Burt]

Okay.

[Caller Sheila]

So I wouldn't want to know any of that.

[Burt]

Okay. That's great.

[Caller Sheila]

Business. Not mine.

[Burt]

Okay. But that's what I think we all in here brought up. Like, we're. If. I think if you're a Chris Brown fan, you can't stand us when we talk about this. But the fact is, during that interview,

[Jen]

exact opposite, earlier this morning.

[Host Chris]

Yeah. Someone called us and said that Jen and I were being too.

[Jen]

They said there were too much on his side. So even just talking about him is polarizing either way.

[Burt]

Like, my thing is forgive him. I'm not a fan of his. I'm not. Not a fan either. If his song comes on, I listen to it. I do think it's between him and Rihanna, so be it. You know, if he's okay with himself and he moves on, I'm not. I'm not sitting in judgment of him. But I do think that somebody needs to get to him and say, you shouldn't be doing interviews. Because when he does, if he didn't say anything, we wouldn't have spent the past 10 minutes talking about Chris Brown, and his CD would have come out and his song would be on the radio, and that would be that he came out, he was wordy. He didn't sound sincere. He's Dodging around the issue, that gives us something to judge him on.

[Host Chris]

And let me make two points. Um, the first one for me is I don't need to know what happened in the car. That's not my problem with what was said in that radio interview. It's just that he's not fully embracing an apology. And the second thing, I don't care what happened in that car because it doesn't deserve she. No matter what she did, I don't care if she kicked him in the side of the head with a stiletto. Still doesn't matter. She didn't deserve that. So it does. It's inconsequential to me.

[Burt]

That move from Rihanna is actually kind of hot.

[Host Chris]

Kicking the head with a stiletto to the head.

[Burt]

Yes.

[Host Chris]

Hey, Kimberly. Good morning. You're on Q100.

[Caller Sheila]

Hey, guys. How are you?

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

Okay.

[Host Chris]

How are you?

[Caller Sheila]

Hey. Okay, so I feel like I agree with you guys. I don't even think it's the issue of him being a star and not being human. If he had taken more time off before he tried to just jump back into the music thing to, like, analyze himself, I believe that he would have been able to sound more sincere when the time came to apologize. But he's doing this for his career. It's calculated. Everything that he's saying is calculated. He's doing whether he's doing it for his career and for Rihanna. I feel like the timing is all wrong. He should have taken more time off, and that's my whole problem. I agree that we don't need to know what happened in the car, because I feel like the world learns its lesson when the whole issue happened in the first place. The specifics of it are irrelevant. It happened. It shouldn't have happened. The whole thing is wrong. He should take more time off. That's the whole problem with what I have with him.

[Wendy]

And I think this is a great time for him to gain public confidence back by being an advocate for women's violence. I mean, he's been through it. He's seen it. I mean, this is a time for him to shine and gain the public respect again, and he's not taking the right opportunity.

[Host Chris]

It does feel like this is one of those issues that if you're a Chris Brown fan, you can't be swayed. And if you're not a Chris Brown fan, then you can't be swayed.

[Jen]

See, that's the hard part is I am a Chris Brown fan of his music. I was a huge fan of his music, and I still like his songs. But I think from a personal standpoint, I think Wendy's right. I think he needs to get some more help with domestic violence. And I think he needs to, you know, be able to turn this around sincerely. But there is nothing in that interview to me that sounded all that sincere.

[Burt]

The Burch show.

[Chris Brown (Interviewee)]

Hey.

[Host Chris]

The Burt Show. Producer Tracy has produced for us. And when I say us, the world. A golden child.

[Scott]

She is the smartest child ever created.

[Burt]

I really didn't think you'd be one of these people.

[Jen]

Really?

[Scott]

Are you serious?

[Host Chris]

Uh huh. I didn't think it would be to this extent.

[Lauren (Intern)]

Really? Yes, but she's a perfectionist, so everything in her life's gonna be perfect.

[Burt]

I know, but she also has never had a problem acknowledging like, reality shortcomings. Like, or like, you know, like she says, oh, I'm a perfectionist. But she'll admit when she's not organized or whatever. But you would.

[Lauren (Intern)]

This is her child.

[Burt]

This is different.

[Scott]

I have flaws. Ella does not.

[Jen]

Baby has zero. Zero problems.

[Host Chris]

There really is a difference, man. And I gotta put this more on moms than I do dads. It's moms, man, that just raise their children up and just create these scenarios, I don't know, that don't really exist to make them seem like they really are the most special child in the world.

[Scott]

No.

[Jen]

Well, thank goodness for that. The kids grow up on whatever.

[Host Chris]

Whatever.

[Scott]

I think Scott's actually worse than me.

[Jen]

Really?

[Scott]

Because there's things that Ella will do and I don't have the heart to tell him that. It's like a natural reflex. Cause you can hold a newborn baby up and then they'll automatically start making the walking motion. I mean, all babies do it from birth. But Scott is convinced that if she only had a little bit more muscle, she could walk.

[Jen]

That's funny.

[Host Chris]

You're not too far behind, I gotta tell you.

[Jen]

I know.

[Scott]

Well, I mean, she is pretty smart. We already are studying for the sat. I have to say.

[Host Chris]

How do you determine if a 4 month old is smart or not?

[Scott]

Because she's already talking.

[Announcer]

Okay.

[Scott]

And she's only three and a half months. And she's been talking since three months.

[Jen]

Okay. And what, what is like the typical time for kids to start talking?

[Scott]

Well, I hear it's very rare if they start at four months. Now, mind you, she started at three. But most babies will start around six or seven.

[Jen]

She's advanced six or seven months. They'll start saying their first words like doggy, mama, Da, da.

[Scott]

Exactly. And she's already saying mama.

[Jen]

Really?

[Announcer]

Yes.

[Jen]

Now, isn't Dada typically the first thing that they say? Because it's easier for them to pronounce typically.

[Scott]

But my daughter does not take the easy way, okay? She's all.

[Host Chris]

She takes challenges head on.

[Jen]

She's gifted.

[Host Chris]

Head on. That's what gifted children do.

[Scott]

Dada was way too easy for her. She already moved to mama.

[Lauren (Intern)]

Now, are you.

[Host Chris]

She's actually. She's saying padre.

[Jen]

Yeah.

[Lauren (Intern)]

I mean, isn't it almost like baby talk? Like psychics where they give a prediction and you fit in whatever you want it to be? And with babies, they probably say. And then you say, oh, they. She said, mama.

[Burt]

My psychic said one of our houses would burn down, and a hotel I was at in a different city caught on fire three days after I left. And I'm like, there it is, there

[Announcer]

it is, there it is, there it is.

[Scott]

I knew you guys would say that, which is why I videotaped it.

[Host Chris]

Okay, so you have brought in proof.

[Scott]

I have brought in proof that she

[Host Chris]

is speaking already, yes.

[Burt]

Okay, now, how do you guys want to do this? Because I think.

[Jen]

Do you have to see the video?

[Host Chris]

Whatever way humiliates Tracy more is the way I want to go.

[Scott]

Hold on, though. I do want you guys all to promise, though, because you are being. You know, you're a little skeptical of me if you think that she really is saying it. You have to be totally honest. Like, don't just try and make me seem crazy.

[Burt]

Well, here's the deal, Stretch, because Tracy did play this for me last week, you know, back when she was only three months old and talking, and Ella had actually driven here. A stick shift, which is embarrassing because I can't even drive a stick. But Ella drove here to give me my Spanish lesson.

[Host Chris]

She was using the hand signal. She wasn't even using the signal.

[Burt]

Right, right.

[Host Chris]

She knows left and right already.

[Burt]

Right? So. Because she wanted to bring me the first draft of her book that she wrote. So I got to see. I got to hear this. And when you hear it, I think there's potential. But when you see it, you realize it's just a grumpy, hungry kid making noises.

[Jen]

Well, let's not have them preconceived, though.

[Lauren (Intern)]

Just play it.

[Chris Brown (Interviewee)]

Well, that's what I'm saying.

[Burt]

Do you guys want to watch it? Because I have it on my computer.

[Jen]

I want to hear it first.

[Burt]

I'll just play it. Crank this up because it's low.

[Caller Sheila]

Can you say mommy?

[Burt]

Oh, that's not Ella.

[Caller Sheila]

Can you say mommy?

[Host Chris]

It's like the Atlanta Ghost Hunters. You do have a ghost in the house. You know that, right? Did you hear that?

[Burt]

She panicked.

[Host Chris]

Where the hell is the mommy in this whole thing?

[Burt]

Why?

[Scott]

She just said it four times.

[Burt]

That sounded like a mom.

[Lauren (Intern)]

Yeah, it sounds like mom right here.

[Caller Sheila]

Sorry.

[Host Chris]

Somebody's playing and she's playing the harp.

[Jen]

Wow.

[Caller Sheila]

Wow.

[Announcer]

Look at the musician too.

[Burt]

Now somebody's jacking with me.

[Announcer]

She's singing in the key of A.

[Lauren (Intern)]

Her gas is very, very melodic.

[Host Chris]

You are right. She is an angel.

[Burt]

So that was what I heard and thought that perhaps it could be.

[Host Chris]

Let's hear this one more time.

[Burt]

Okay.

[Host Chris]

Pause it right after you hear mommy.

[Burt]

Just raise your hand when you.

[Lauren (Intern)]

I think it's Mommy.

[Burt]

Raise your hand, Tracy, when you want me to pause it.

[Jen]

Okay. Okay.

[Burt]

By the way, it's worth noting when you'll see this on the video. She's riding a unicycle.

[Announcer]

Say mommy.

[Host Chris]

That was it.

[Burt]

Hold on. Let's hear it again.

[Wendy]

Duh.

[Burt]

Here you go.

[Bus Driver]

That was it.

[Scott]

Well, that was the first part you have. She says mama.

[Burt]

Oh, sorry. Stop it. Too soon.

[Lauren (Intern)]

Yes.

[Caller Sheila]

Can you say mommy?

[Host Chris]

Clearly there's an M sound there.

[Scott]

Yes, clearly she is saying mother.

[Bus Driver]

To me.

[Jen]

She just sounds hungry.

[Burt]

Now this is what's gonna ruin it.

[Host Chris]

Mommy in there. No, Mommy in there.

[Announcer]

There's an M sound.

[Wendy]

She's grumbling it.

[Caller Joe]

Okay.

[Burt]

If you. If you do it while watching the video, you can see she's just pissed and she's just sitting there mad.

[Host Chris]

I don't need to see the video to hear that.

[Caller Sheila]

Can you say mommy?

[Scott]

And she may very well be hungry, but doesn't her food come from Mama? That's what I said.

[Wendy]

She's hungry.

[Lauren (Intern)]

But I will say it. She's a little aggressive about it.

[Wendy]

She's getting it out there.

[Lauren (Intern)]

I will say. You know how Jen said earlier that usually Dada is the first one because it's easier to say and she's obviously making M noises. I do think mom is going to be the first word she says.

[Burt]

I didn't notice this, but at this point in the video, Scott actually tries to use his finger to form her mouth into. Look at. Watch. Watch this.

[Announcer]

Are you serious?

[Burt]

Like Mommy? He's like that Terry Fader, America's Got Talent dude with the puppet.

[Scott]

I don't know what you guys are talking about. She's clearly saying that.

[Burt]

There she is.

[Host Chris]

Hey, Kim. Good Morning. You're on Q100.

[Caller Sheila]

Hi.

[Burt]

Hey.

[Caller Sheila]

I was just calling to say at first I was kind of skeptical too, like this is not going to accurate. But once I Heard the. The music video. I have to agree, because my daughter also started by saying mama, and it was when she was fussing, and it was just mama, Mama, and it turned into mama. Yeah, because I didn't say anything to anyone at first because I kind of, you know, it's like, is this really what she's saying? But yeah, I agree that that is what she's saying right there.

[Lauren (Intern)]

Well, I. I mean, is it. Is it not that when she is, you know, getting her milk that she has to pucker and suck? So I would assume the mama, you know, like the mouth motion is, I want food. But eventually it'll be mama.

[Scott]

No, it's mama now.

[Announcer]

Melissa,

[Burt]

do you still have it up, Burt?

[Host Chris]

Hold on one second. Let me take a call. Good morning, Melissa. You're on Q100.

[Caller Sheila]

I have a six month old. She started doing the same thing at three months old. She's still not associating me with. With the word, though. She says mama, and everybody says she says mama, but there's no association with it. That's just the first sound.

[Host Chris]

Stacy used to do the same thing with both Hayden and Hollis. They would just make these gurgling noises, and Stacy would go, did you hear that? He just said California.

[Jen]

What?

[Host Chris]

It was California. Obviously.

[Scott]

I think you're just skeptical. Like, I think it is pretty.

[Burt]

Oh, hold on. Your baby needs you.

[Scott]

She's clearly saying mama.

[Burt]

Hey, Bert, every time we need Tracy, we just play this. I'm actually gonna set that to be my ringtone so that when you call, that's what my phone does.

[Host Chris]

Hey, Val. Good morning.

[Caller Sheila]

Oh, my gosh.

That is the scariest thing ever.

I have my alarm clock sex to Q100, and I have my six month old in the room next to me. Yeah, your music or the sound came on. I did not hear mama. I heard a baby crying. I run to my baby's room, they're crying from the other way.

[Announcer]

Oh, my God.

[Burt]

Oh, my God. Somebody put another baby in my house.

[Host Chris]

You know what will get me every single time, even though I know it is in the movie theater, is that sound of the baby that they play when they're telling you to turn your cell phones off, Silence is golden or whatever. And every time they play the baby, you're like, it gets. It sounds like. It always sounds like it's in the theater.

[Announcer]

You like looking around.

[Host Chris]

Where's that damn thing?

[Burt]

I think that they should ban car honking from radio commercials.

[Host Chris]

I agree.

[Burt]

That gets me every single time. Are sirens.

[Host Chris]

One more time here, Jeff. The bird Show. Hey, the Bird Show. Let's get Shayla on with us.

[Jen]

I'm surprised Wendy knew that song.

[Announcer]

Oh, I love that song.

[Host Chris]

There are some names that you hear

[Lauren (Intern)]

and you just have to sing the song.

[Burt]

Kevin.

[Wendy]

I go to dive bars that's the only reason I know Kevin.

[Lauren (Intern)]

Hey. Hey, Kevin.

[Host Chris]

Hey, Sheila. Good morning. You were on the Voice Disguiser. Hi.

[Caller Sheila]

Hi.

How are you guys doing?

[Host Chris]

Goofy. It's Friday. How are you doing?

[Caller Sheila]

Sounds like you're having fun.

[Host Chris]

Now, I gotta tell you, at first, just at first, listen here, it sounds like you're being pretty insecure. You want to fire a girl because she's single.

[Caller Sheila]

No, no, no, no. It's not quite that simple.

[Jen]

Okay, okay.

[Caller Sheila]

Okay. You know, my husband and I, we have a small business. We have just a few employees. We have three women. We have two married women and one lesbian who work for us.

[Burt]

Tough word to say.

[Caller Sheila]

It's a great group. I specify that just because it's important.

[Lauren (Intern)]

Later on, I'm getting it.

[Caller Sheila]

So we were interviewing for new position, and this woman came in and she was wearing an engagement ring. And we ended up giving her a job. And then she's been, you know, working for us about two weeks. And I noticed that she wasn't wearing the ring anymore. You know, I felt kind of bad, and I wasn't trying to be nosy or anything. That's what I said. I was like, I'm not trying to be nosy, but I noticed you're not wearing your. You're ringing anymore. And I'm sorry. Did something happen? You know, I feel bad and. And she's like, oh, no, I actually was never engaged. She just comes clean. She's like, I was never engaged. I always wear an engagement ring to job interviews because, you know, studies show that, like, engaged women and married women, more desirable employees.

[Host Chris]

So she straight up told you that, huh?

[Caller Sheila]

Yeah. So I'm like, that's representing yourself falsely. I mean, that's just. I know she never said it out loud, but she was lying, you know, and that makes me very uncomfortable.

[Jen]

And she wasn't necessarily lying. I mean, because I have friends who've gotten jewelry from, like, given down from their grandmothers or family jewelry that only fits on that ring. Yeah, that's very true.

[Caller Sheila]

That's true. But she specifically told me that she wore it so she'd be a more desirable employee. Now, it's the one thing if you've got a ring from her grandmother, and that's the only finger it sits on, you know, but she was really honest and she, you know, and I do appreciate that, but we're two weeks in at this point, you know, And. And it just makes me, first of all. So that. That's, like, the main thing. It makes me very uncomfortable that. That she lied. You know, it's like lying on your resume or something, you know, and then it makes me very uncomfortable that she's a single woman. I. We have this nice little balance going on, you know, it's like me and my husband and all these women, you know, and. And I don't feel comfortable with her, with this being mixed into the pot, basically.

[Host Chris]

Is this an agreement that you and your husband have made that you will not have single women in the office?

[Caller Sheila]

No, not at all. And we've never. Honestly, we've never really talked about it. Well, now we're talking about it, of course. You know, because he thinks I'm being insane, basically. He thinks I'm being ridiculous. And he actually. He actually said to me, now, this sounds like something from the Burt show.

[Host Chris]

And he said, great idea. I'll give him a call tomorrow.

[Caller Sheila]

Right? I know. I know. It sounds like something from the Burt show. And I was like, yeah, well, why don't we call them? Because I bet that at least somebody's gonna be on my side on this.

[Jen]

Has your husband given you any reason to doubt him?

[Caller Sheila]

No, no, absolutely not. But why would I put him in that position? Why would I put him in that position? I just don't. I mean, obviously, you know, just because these other women are married doesn't mean that something couldn't happen anyway, you know, But I think it's just a combination of the two things. That she lied during the interview and that, you know, she's an attractive single woman. I just don't. I'm not comfortable with it.

[Host Chris]

Okay.

[Burt]

What kind of employee has she been over the past couple weeks?

[Caller Sheila]

Fine.

[Host Chris]

No problem. Good.

[Burt]

Like, would you consider her not in

[Caller Sheila]

the stratosphere, but perfectly adequate? But I think I have grounds. Because. Because you know, of how she represented herself during the interview. Would you not agree?

[Wendy]

But I don't think she lied to you. Unless she came out and said, hi, I'm married. And that would be a blatant lie. But she did not lie to you.

[Host Chris]

Well, she wore the ring.

[Caller Sheila]

I bet she lied. Basically, she said, I wear an engagement ring.

[Wendy]

Well, she wears it. But that's your assumption.

[Burt]

Yeah, that's.

[Wendy]

Assume. That's.

[Burt]

You know what happens when you assume you end up looking like an idiot.

[Caller Sheila]

No, no, no, no. I know, but she said it. I Mean, she said I wear this so that people will find me more desirable employee. I'm, you know, she basically said, I'm represent myself. I'm representing myself falsely so that I'll get a job.

[Jen]

How attractive is this woman on a scale of one to ten?

[Caller Sheila]

I don't know. Seven?

[Host Chris]

Seven for me.

[Caller Sheila]

Attractive? I am ten. No.

[Host Chris]

Is she hotter than you are?

[Caller Sheila]

No, she's not hotter than I am.

[Host Chris]

Is she younger than you are?

[Caller Sheila]

Yes, she is younger than I am.

[Host Chris]

Sarah, good morning.

[Caller Sheila]

Good morning.

[Host Chris]

Good morning.

[Caller Sheila]

To me, it's a trust issue, too. How is she supposed to expect to trust a woman that lied about being married and then trust her around her husband?

[Jen]

She didn't lie. She just wore a ring.

[Caller Sheila]

Well, she. I mean, she was representing. I mean, what is she. People are going to assume if you have an engagement ring on that you are engaged? And she never denied it. She never denied it.

[Host Chris]

She did lie. I mean, she even told she did.

[Caller Sheila]

So she's supposed to trust this woman around her husband or with a job, period. She lied. And if she's willing to do that,

[Burt]

that's not a lie. That's not a lie. If she had come out and asked you, which I think is illegal, or if you come out and asked her what her relationship status was and she said, I am single, that's a lie. You saw the ring and you assumed that that made her engaged.

[Host Chris]

But she even said afterwards that she purposely put that ring on to get hired as the person that was engaged.

[Jen]

Let me just throw this out there. What if she wore the engagement ring and then had it off two and said, oh, yeah, I'm a lesbian. I wear that because married women are more desirable to hire. And I didn't think that you would like lesbians. Would you consider her a liar and not trustworthy? Then she's just being smart and trying to get the job?

[Burt]

Or what if she said, yes, we broke up?

[Caller Sheila]

What if she said, yes, we broke up?

[Burt]

Then guess what? Then she really is a liar.

[Caller Sheila]

Right. But I wouldn't know that.

[Burt]

Right?

[Host Chris]

Just a confession.

[Wendy]

I'm so confused.

[Host Chris]

The confession that's bothering her.

[Lauren (Intern)]

I'm not comfortable.

[Burt]

You mean her telling the truth?

[Host Chris]

I'm not comfortable after she lied.

[Burt]

She didn't lie.

[Host Chris]

She did.

[Jen]

I agree.

[Host Chris]

Such a fun line.

[Lauren (Intern)]

I mean, she.

[Caller Sheila]

That is a lie. What? You know what? You think it's a gray area because.

[Jen]

Yes.

[Caller Sheila]

Was she engaged?

[Burt]

No.

[Caller Sheila]

No. Did she wear an engagement ring?

[Caller Joe]

Yes.

[Caller Sheila]

Did she say, I wore it purposely to get the job? Yes.

[Lauren (Intern)]

Yes.

[Burt]

Did you ask her why

[Caller Sheila]

did I

ask her if she was engaged during the interview.

[Jen]

Either way, it doesn't even matter. That shouldn't be a reason to hire or not hire somebody.

[Host Chris]

Here is Joe who agrees with Sheila. Good morning, Joe.

[Caller Joe]

Good morning.

[Host Chris]

Hi.

[Caller Joe]

First, don't ask the employee just yet. Don't ask her yet. Check with the Department of Labor. Find out about laws on this. Basically, you've got someone who misrepresent themselves going into an interview situation. And as a business owner, I have to say, well, if they'll misrast, represent themselves to get in what they misrepresent themselves for.

[Host Chris]

So Sheila's security or insecurity is inconsequential to you. The fact that she lied and you define. You're defining this as a lie makes her in. She's not trustworthy.

[Caller Joe]

Correct. But I would definitely check with Department of Labor first to find out, you know, what is is not legal reasons. Make sure that she's not about to get herself into bigger trouble, especially with today's economy, because people are looking for a reason to sue.

[Lauren (Intern)]

Well, especially in today's economy. I got to say that you're naive as a business owner if you think that not everybody is exaggerating on their resume about their jobs. She was trying to do a tactic in order to get hired because she saw that that was more desirable thing. Like, I do think that you're being a little harsh about the. Oh, well, if they're going to lie about that, then they're going to not do a good job. I think that the problem is, is that you are not wanting single women around your husband. And what is the nature of your company? Like, I don't understand why that is such an issue. Like, are you this insecure?

[Caller Sheila]

I'm not going to go be specific about my company because I don't feel comfortable at that.

[Lauren (Intern)]

Well, I agree, but I'm just saying

[Caller Sheila]

that it's mostly about me being insecure with someone around my husband. I would say it's at least 50. 50. I do not feel comfortable with someone who misrepresents to themselves when they were interviewing. Because if you do that, that says something about your character.

[Lauren (Intern)]

It says that you want to get that job.

[Jen]

Yeah, I'm looking up the EEOC right now because I don't see how marital status is any different than race, than gender, than sexual preference. I don't understand why we aren't lumping all those things together in this conversation.

[Host Chris]

Well, you can't really misrepresent yourself as a white person in an interview.

[Jen]

Yeah, but you could misrepresent yourself as a straight person.

[Lauren (Intern)]

Well, the issue, though, is not that. The issue is that she didn't want a single woman around her husband.

[Jen]

But what I'm saying is you can't hire or fire people on those issues based on that. It's illegal.

[Caller Sheila]

Well, I.

[Burt]

Well, is that why you would fire her? Or would you come up with something else, like. Yeah, I mean, she walks in three minutes late today. Will you make that the issue?

[Caller Sheila]

No, of course not. Of course not. I would base it on what I really feel.

[Jen]

Or what about disability? What if she misrepresented herself and came in and walked that day, but most of the time she needs a cane and it's. It's. Or she's. Or she's deteriorated and needs a wheelchair, and then all of a sudden, you and your husband are having to spend a ton of money putting in a ramp. Like, I mean, we're talking about all of these things. Pregnancy, religion.

[Caller Sheila]

Because that's one who. That's the disenfranchised. That's somebody who's had a hard time because of a disability. That's.

[Host Chris]

But what Jen's saying is, in the eyes of the law, it's all on the same even playing field.

[Burt]

Right? And your husband probably wouldn't go after a disabled woman.

[Host Chris]

Hey, Jeff. Good Morning. You're on Q100. Hi.

[Caller Q]

Hey, guys. Great show.

[Host Chris]

Thank you, sir.

[Caller Q]

Hey, this is. This is pretty cut and dry here. And whoever was just read the law had hit a right on the head. Marital status is a protected entity as far as also sex, race, all those. You cannot hire and fire somebody based on that. That is just asinine, to be honest. You know, and speaking, you know, there's a lot of things at work here. And the other thing is, even if she would have come out in the interview and told you, yes, I am married, that. That doesn't matter. Whatever she wrote down on her resume is what matters. Whatever's in writing is what matters. She can say whatever she wants in the interview. That's not legal.

[Host Chris]

Have you heard. Have you heard anything today, Sheila, that makes you think that you're. You're going to sway your decision, that you will keep her in the office?

[Caller Sheila]

Well, I mean, obviously, I don't want to get sued, but, you know, so obviously I will check into that, but other than that, no, I have not heard anything. Because.

[Jen]

Because you don't want to hear anything. Let me give you one other example. What if she wore a cross around her neck and you were like, well, she represented herself as a Christian. But then she started working for us for two weeks and she had, you know.

[Burt]

And she doesn't go to church.

[Jen]

And she doesn't go to church. She's actually Islamic or she's Buddhist or whatever. And I don't want one of those working for us. I mean, we would call you ridiculous.

[Caller Sheila]

That's ridiculous.

[Jen]

Of course it's ridiculous. Just as ridiculous as this marital status thing. Just as ridiculous. Exactly the same thing.

[Host Chris]

Hear what she's saying, though. In the eyes of the law, it all falls under the same category.

[Jen]

So as you're threatened because she's single, somebody else could feel threatened because she was Islamic.

[Lauren (Intern)]

But that's not her. Her filter is her husband. That's the difference. In her mind, every argument you're giving is absolutely valid, but she's not listening to it because her filter is the religion and everything else doesn't apply to my husband. But this single woman does apply to the threat to my husband.

[Host Chris]

Sheila, we gotta run, but I would like to check back with you on Monday to see if you guys fired her or you kept her in the office.

[Caller Sheila]

Okay, that sounds fine with me.

[Host Chris]

If you were. You're leaving right now and you're talking to your husband, would your first. Would your instinct be to let her go or would it be to keep her in the office as of right now, 7:54.

[Lauren (Intern)]

You can be honest.

[Caller Sheila]

Oh, I absolutely. Let her go.

[Host Chris]

Let her go. Okay. The bird show.