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Jeff
Listen, it's the Vert show. Janet Jackson. We love Janet. Love her. Had her on a bunch of times and she's always been great to us. She's actually been really honest in interviews that we've done with her, man. She gives it up. She does. So we had Janet Jackson scheduled to talk to after the show yesterday and we did start to talk to her and. And things get awkward, man, in the middle of this interview because her publicist interrupts right in the middle of the interview when it was really starting to get interesting.
Jen
Did you guys leave that in there?
Jeff
No, we took it out.
Host 2
Oh.
Jeff
We started asking her about. Did the publicist say immediately, like, no personal questions to Janet Jackson?
Friend 1
No, they said no. The specific request was actually, I could read it.
Jen
The specific request, Michael, like not to
Jeff
ask about his death, which we've done already. I mean, we spent 20 minutes talking to Janet Jackson months ago about how she's handling the death of her brother. And she was cool with it and we were cool with it, but why would we ever do it again? We've already been there with her, so it wasn't even going to come up.
Melissa
Stupid radio stations, sure.
Jen
And they want to make sure that everybody's Respectful about that, because. And you can understand that we wouldn't have crossed that line.
Friend 1
The. It just said there's a. One of her publicists sent a long email saying about the song and the movie and all this other stuff. And then it said no questions should be asked in regard to her brother's passing or the Jackson family. Now you'll hear the question that causes the problem in here is a question about her going on tour with her brothers.
Jeff
That's where it all starts, right there,
Melissa
which is her family.
Friend 1
And I think the publicist freaked out because that sounded like a family question. But in the conversations I had with them yesterday, I tried to explain if the rumor was that she was gonna go on tour with Coldplay, and that wasn't confirmed, we would have asked the same question. That wasn't a family question. That wasn't a Michael Jackson question. That wasn't a crazy question.
Melissa
Freaking out, thinking we were gonna lead into something else.
Jen
Maybe.
Jeff
But, I mean, that's when the interview started to get interesting. Because if you scratch at Janet's surface, there's still a little girl that feels inferior to her older brothers. And it was just starting to get interesting.
Host 2
And.
Jeff
And the publicist comes in and shuts it down and says, will you guys start talking about the movie? And I normally don't get thrown, but yesterday, I don't know if I just didn't get sleep, and I'm on these painkillers, and I didn't stick up for us. And I feel like I sort of failed us yesterday. Cause I should have said, look, we know how we're. Do we know how to do interviews? We've talked to Janet before. We'll get to the movie in a second. Which is how we've handled it before. But yesterday I just choked.
Melissa
Well, I think the unique thing of what happened yesterday, we've certainly had publicists that tried to nix certain questions we started asking, but she interrupted Janet's answer. Yeah, she interrupted Janet while she was talking. So I think that was kind of probably what threw everybody's like, wait a second. You know, like, if Janet was gonna
Jeff
say something, it's gonna get weird in here. You'll hear an edit. You won't actually hear the public. Maybe we'll put the whole real, unedited version up online. But you'll hear a weird edit. Cause it wasn't. It's not even entertaining. She was just rude, really.
Jen
I can't stand rude celebrity publicists, and I think that they feel like they earn their stripes by being more rude.
Guest (Fiji)
To the media.
Jen
Like, they almost earn credit with each other by how mean they are. Because I've run into them in Los Angeles the last couple of trips I've been out there, and they, like, get off on being rude. It's.
Guest (Fiji)
It's.
Jen
It's really, really frustrating. Like, I'm developing, like, a real pure
Melissa
form of hatred for them.
Jeff
The more I think about it, the more we should have just kept it in so you guys could get sort of insight on what happens. But we'll put it up online that way. But as the client, as Janet, I found Janet. When I get off the phone with us, I'm like, there's got to be a way to. A better way to handle that.
Melissa
Well, publicists are good. It's good cop, bad cop, because the celebrity is telling the publicist, you've got to be the bad cop for me, so that I don't have to look. You know, I don't have to look rude by refusing to answer a question. So I get the nature of the good cop, bad cop. But like Jen said, there's a way to be a bad cop and be effective instead of just being, you know, offensive.
Jeff
And she was just offensive. So she does have a new movie out this weekend, why Did I Get Married two, that she's in. But you're not gonna hear us talk much about it during this interview. Janet Jackson.
Janet Jackson
Hello.
Jeff
How are you, Janet Jackson?
Janet Jackson
I'm well, thank you. How are you doing?
Jeff
Really good. We love talking to you.
Janet Jackson
Well, thank you. That's very sweet. I enjoy talking to you, too.
Jeff
A couple months, but, yeah. What's been going on? You got a lot of stuff going on, actually.
Janet Jackson
Film, book, theme song for the movie. Nothing.
Jeff
If people really knew what Janet Jackson's life was, would they say, oh, my God, it's so exciting, or, oh, my God, it's so boring?
Janet Jackson
I don't think it's. Well, it's not boring for me. It might be boring for them, but I'm always on the move, always doing something. So the minute I have a few days to just take a breather, I seize the moment.
Jeff
And when you have those brief times where you just take a breather, what do you do?
Janet Jackson
If I can get away, I do. I love the ocean. That's my thing. I love humidity, heat, warm weather. I. I love the beach. And if I can't, it's about being with my friends, being with my family, playing games. I love reading. I love watching. Going to the movies or watching black and white films, old films.
Jeff
You brought up the family. And every day it seems like there's a different rumor about what's going on with the tour here. Is there going to be a Jackson reunion tour? Are you involved with it? Are you not involved with it? Every day there's a different rumor.
Janet Jackson
No one's asked me about being involved with a reunion tour so that I know nothing of. I wish I had a different answer, but that's all that I can really say. I haven't discussed. None of my brothers have discussed with me about doing a reunion tour.
Guest (Fiji)
Would you be open to doing a tour?
Janet Jackson
I'd have to really give it a great deal of thought. I think they should for sure do a reunion tour. For sure. Them. I think people have been dying to see them for a very, very long time and really miss their energy on stage. And I think it would be great.
Jeff
Now, I heard very distinctly there, almost bolded and underlined and italicized them, they should do a reunion tour. Why would you be reluctant to jump on that?
Janet Jackson
Because it's not really being that reluctant. I just think people want to see them and not necessarily their little sister tagging along with them. Who knows? But when I think about the Jacksons, I want to see them perform. I don't think about wanting to see me perform with them. That's. But that's me as a fan.
Jeff
Let's talk about the movie, why Did
Janet Jackson
I Get Married To. It's about four couples that have been friends since college, and they go on an annual vacation and they revisit the question, why did I get married? So it brings up a lot of things. They're shot in the Bahamas, then the Bahamas, vacationing, and it's paradise. And then a lot of drama happens while they're in paradise. And it's about forgiveness, about trust, about communication, about healing, about not healing. It's very funny, Very funny at times. And then it gets very dramatic at times.
Melissa
Now, Janet, I saw the first movie and I thought it was fantastic. And do you find. Because your character is. Is she a psychologist? Is that her profession, too? Because I wondered if now, in your private life, if people come to you for relationship advice, because they seem to be doing that in the movie.
Janet Jackson
It's always. It was that way before the movie. That's one of the things that I connected with the character Patricia, because some of my friends call me their therapist, actually. And this was before the film. And I'm sitting here thinking, okay, I've been married twice and divorced twice. Why do you want me to. I'm still trying to figure this out for myself, but they do. And obviously, I guess I'm giving okay advice, and I know I'm a wonderful listener because that I can do, but they keep coming back. So I'm always helping people with their issues. And I used to like Patricia, not deal with my own. With my own would come about. So that's where I related to her in those two. Those two areas.
Jen
After doing these two movies and like you said, getting married and divorced twice, are you open to marriage ever again in your personal life?
Janet Jackson
You know, if it's God's plan for me, and that's really not a cop out, then it's gonna happen. And that's the way that I see that. That's the way that I see having a family. If it's in my cards, it's gonna happen.
Jeff
And you did a. The lead song for the soundtrack also. You and Jermaine worked on this together, right?
Janet Jackson
Yes, we wrote it together. We produced it together. It's called Nothing, and it was really inspired from the characters in the movie. That was the true inspiration for it. And it's available on itunes. And I'm really happy because people have been listening to this song and really, really taken to it. They've really been enjoying it and really responsive. So I'm glad they like it.
Jeff
You know, we're here in Atlanta, so we have to ask. I think everybody is sort of, like, fascinated with the relationship with you and Jermaine because you guys have both been such adults about it. And I think when people go through the same kind of things you guys have gone through, you usually go separate ways. But you guys have formed this beautiful relationship, and it seems to be seamless.
Janet Jackson
We never stop loving one another. I adore, adore, adore him. He is such a good man and has such a wonderful heart. And I'm so thankful, thankful that he's allowing me to still be in his life and that we're such good friends. We speak every single day. I just. I adore Jermaine, and I will hope that he will always allow me to be in his life.
Jeff
Well, good luck with the song and good luck with the movie. And I know from an outsider's perspective, I would love to see you part of that tour. So.
Melissa
Yeah. Yes. You wouldn't be just a little sister.
Jeff
Yeah, right. You're not just a little sister. You may not know this. You're Janet Jackson.
Janet Jackson
I'm not just little sister tagging along.
Melissa
You are Janet.
Jeff
All right, Janet. Thanks a lot for the time.
Janet Jackson
Thank you.
Jeff
Bye.
Guest (Fiji)
Bye.
Host 2
Bye.
Host 1
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Man.
Jeff
I know this was an awesome weekend. Weather perfect. You got great storylines going on at the.
Jen
Yeah, it was. It was an incredible experience. I got to go with my dad and Jeff brought a good buddy of his and the four of us just, we just had such a great time. It's just, it's even more beautiful than everyone describes it. I mean Augusta national is the most pristine, most well manicured, just the most beautiful exclusive golf course in the country. And it was really, I mean it was amazing to go with my dad because he is a lifelong golfer and a humongous golf fan. You know, we played father daughter tournaments Growing up, all that kind of stuff. So to be able to experience with him the. The whole thing was just incredible. Cause I felt like at first, like I was the one who put together the plans for the weekend. So I was kind of in charge. Friday night, we went out to dinner. I was kind of in charge, like, getting us there, all that kind of stuff. And then all of a sudden, when we walked into the gates of Augusta national, he took over. Was like, okay, I want to show you this hole. We're gonna walk down number one. And he's gotten to play it one time before you, you know, by the grace of God, he was able to do that. And so he remembers every single shot he ever made on that course. So it was like he was in charge and he was the ringleader. Showing me all around was like, okay, off the first tee, here's where I hit it. Then I chipped it in. Then I putt for par. Then on the second hole, I did this. And so it was funny. It was like I got to see the course where, you know, and he was getting to share his stories of the whole thing. And, you know, he's just so, so well educated on the bios of, like, every golfer on, you know, that was competing. So. So it wasn't about Tiger woods for us at all. I mean, it was about, like, the guy, you know, who, you know, teed off in the third set, you know, in the third group. And, you know, my dad knew. He went to Clemson. And then there was, like, another kid, you know, later on, he's like, oh, yeah. Well, I liked him until I found out he went to University of Florida. Now I don't root for him anymore. You know, I mean, he just, like, knew so much about every single golfer that was competing in the tournament. So it was just. It was amazing. You know, we had. What are we at 11 o'. Clock? Had pimento cheese sandwiches and a beer.
Jeff
Which cost you all 75 cents total, right?
Friend 1
Yeah, we got in there early. We didn't pay attention to when the pairing started. So we got there at, like, 10:30 in the morning, but nobody golfed. Nobody was teeing off until 12 or 1. So we had the beer and we had the pimento cheese sandwich, and we had, you know, the Masters branded potato chips.
Jeff
And you gotta remember if you've never been there, that everything costs like a quarter or 50 cents. They don't need to make money down there. So. So everything. I think it's still the same way, right?
Jen
So a dollar for pimento cheese?
Friend 1
Yeah. Every sandwich was a buck fifty. Sodas were a buck. Beers were three bucks.
Guest (Fiji)
Stop it.
Jen
Beers were.
Friend 1
Chips were a buck.
Jen
If you got, like, the light beer, it was $2.50.
Friend 1
Okay.
Jeff
I mean, it's not. It's cheaper than going to a Braves game.
Melissa
Yeah.
Jeff
They don't really need your money.
Melissa
They don't need. Yeah.
Friend 1
And so we did that. And then when we got onto the golf course, Jen and her dad went one way and followed the first couple golfers teeing off so she could get the tutorial on what Eddie did on every hole. And then my buddy George and I, we walked the whole course, 18 back to 1. So we walked against the crowd, which was really cool because we were down at Amen corner when nobody was there, you know, because they, you know, had. Nobody had golfed through yet. And people are following the golfers. I'm 90% sure that we. But walk past Jack Nicklaus. I have to Google him. But it was one of those things where I'm like, I think that was Jack Nicklaus. And George Lokeson goes. I think it was, too. And then we passed him again. George. That wasn't him.
Jeff
He was by himself.
Friend 1
No, he was with, like, four other people, and he was walking, and I swear it was him.
Jen
Could have been.
Friend 1
Yeah.
Jeff
Can't take a picture.
Jen
No.
Jeff
You can't break out your cell phone and take a picture. You're not allowed to.
Jen
No camera. I mean, they will kick you out of that place. We didn't even bring them. We left them outside the gates, and we did not even. Yeah, you don't want to mess with the rules there. You don't want to mess with the etiquette there.
Guest (Fiji)
Why don't they allow pictures?
Friend 1
It disturbs the golfers.
Guest (Fiji)
Oh, really?
Jen
Yeah, It's a distraction.
Guest (Fiji)
Oh, okay.
Jeff
If you ever watch a golf tournament, you'll notice on TV that you don't even hear the sounds of clicks until after the shot.
Host 2
Wow.
Jen
Yeah. I mean, it's definitely. Yeah. You don't want to mess up the rules at all. For sure.
Friend 1
And they make it very clear in the literature that you read that the master's experience, like, the fans, are an afterthought. Everything is an afterthought. The experience is about the golfers. Like, the golfers are considered the guests, like they said, our player guests. And that's how they're referred to with all the literature. So it's 100% about the golfers who are there. And it's very pure. So there is no. Like, there's. It's comfortable to go there as a visitor. But the purpose of the tournament is to create the purest golf experience as possible for golf. The best golf players in the world.
Jeff
Yeah, this is not like the Masters and Augusta. They make up their own rules. This isn't a PGA event. This is the Masters. It's their own set of rules, and they don't care. They don't care, man. So everything is a little different at this tournament.
Jen
One thing I learned over the weekend that so totally surprised me, because, you know, the mem. If you. If you want to. If you become a member of Augusta national, you're only, like, tapped to be a member. You're sent an envelope in the mail that has no return address, and it just has your name and address on it.
Janet Jackson
And.
Jen
And it's basically an invitation for you to become a member. And it's very exclusive. You can't apply to do it. You can't pay to do it. I mean, some of the richest and most famous people in the world are not members. You have to be selected to become one. And all the members wear green jackets. Well, what I learned over the weekend is they work at the tournament. Every member of Augusta is working for the entire weekend. So all the members are wearing their green jackets, and they're working the whole time. Each one of them has a different job, you know, in charge of the gallery or in charge of this or that or the other thing. But I was fascinated by that. That's really cool. But it goes along with what Jeff was saying, was that the golfers, the pro golfers are the guests. So all of the members work to take care of the guests, to take care of him. I just think it's so cool.
Friend 1
They're not spreading pimento cheese on bread. They're taking care of the golfers. And we did get to meet and hang out with one of the members. And it was exactly. His name was Vera Southern, and he was Vera Southern. He was from Augusta, and he was exactly as you expect a member to
Jen
be, and so gracious and kind and wonderful.
Friend 1
And we sat with him for a little while, and that was exactly what you would expect. And then at like 2 o', clock, we reconvened after going in our separate directions, and we had some lunch and then actually followed golfers. And we were. We watched Mickelson play through. We watched Fred Couples play through. We watched Tiger play through. And then we were walking back.
Jen
And Tom Watson's a huge fan favorite. Cause you know, he's 60.
Jeff
Yeah, of course.
Jen
Six year old golfer, but he's on this tour, so every hole he walks up to, the whole crowd goes nuts cheering for him.
Jeff
And he did really well, too. Yeah.
Friend 1
So we watched. That was all through Amen corner. We watched all those guys play through. And then we were walking back to.
Jen
And I couldn't remember the numbers. Is amen corner. 10, 11, 12, 11, 12, 13. 11, 12, 13.
Host 2
Okay.
Friend 1
So we were walking back toward the clubhouse and we were just going to kind of. I think we were thinking about maybe one more beer and then leaving. And we happened upon, I think it was 15, 16. Was it 15? 16? It was the green of 15 and the tee box of 16 where we watched Tiger. We watched him putt in and then we watched him drive.
Jeff
Were you close? Because it looked like there were so
Friend 1
many people four feet away from us.
Jeff
Four feet away.
Friend 1
Jen could have stuck her hand out and touched Tiger.
Jeff
No kidding. Wow.
Jen
Yeah, it was that close. And we didn't really plan on that happening. We just, you know, like what Jeff was saying between the putting green and the tea, between these two holes, they're really close together. So we just happened upon this place, like underneath a tree where we could see really well. And I don't know why there weren't more people there, but we ended up in the perfect spot. And we got to watch what, three sets of golfers come through. Like, three sets of golfers come through. And when we were standing there watching the other ones come, I was like, tiger's next. We're not going anywhere. We're gonna stand right here. And sure enough, he did. He walked right by me and I was like staring at him. I was like, I don't get it. Just don't get it how you got all these women outside of the.
Jeff
Again, he doesn't really stand the.
Jen
He doesn't stand the bar test.
Jeff
Doesn't stand the bar test. If Tiger woods at all walks into a bar and he's not Tiger woods, all these women throw themselves on him. Probably not.
Jen
Definitely not.
Friend 1
I was actually hoping for him to shank it or jack up his follow through or something so I could hear. Because I've decided that I'm going to adopt the Tiger woods method of self discipline. Like when I do something I'm not happy with, let's say I just can't get this sentence out in the background. You'll hear, Jeff$, you suck. Because he calls himself out by name and then he comments, Jeff$, you speak for a living. Just say it.
Jen
My new theory on him over the weekend and after hearing him following the Masters and talking about golf and all that kind of stuff is. He's just a machine. He is a golf machine. He is a robot. I don't think that he has emotion. I don't think that he's ever known emotion. I really don't think that he's capable of emotion like other human beings. I think he has been born and bred a golf machine, and I really think that that's his capacity.
Jeff
How were the. Were the crowds around him that you guys saw, were they, like, extremely supportive? Were you surprised by how loud they were?
Jen
Extremely supportive. And after each shot, I mean, they were calling him out by name like Tiger. You know, people standing up when he would come to the hole.
Friend 1
Now, I've seen him play before, but
Jen
not overly excessive, because the Masters will kick you out if you're overly excessive for anyone.
Jeff
And he had extra security with him also?
Jen
No, he just walked with a caddy
Jeff
on the fourth day.
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Jeff
Wow.
Friend 1
I didn't see anybody because on the
Jeff
very first day, they hired eight security guys to be around him as well.
Friend 1
I think.
Jen
I didn't see any.
Friend 1
As I understand it, that was practice round that they hired that security, and the tournament wouldn't allow it. Like, you're allowed a caddy and they gave him a local, like, sheriff's dude. One thing we did find out on the way down from one of the guys who went with us that who kind of knew, because I said, hey, do you think we're going to see some planes fly over with those banners? You know, the banners, the tiger ones? And we were kind of laughing about that. And my buddy George said, that's not going to happen. And I said, well, why not? Because, you know, the FAA can't close that airspace. And I. Because I had read that you can only close the airspace if there's, like, the head of state. So if the president or vice president or queen of England or somebody shows up, and I could see Augusta national calling, like, Joe Biden going, hey, come on down here. Because if he's on property, then they can shut the airspace. So I made that joke on the way down, and George said, no, I'll tell you exactly what they did after the second flight. The FAA inspectors. Now, I don't know who makes the phone call to get Federal Aviation Administration inspectors in that place, but that plane landed.
Jen
Billy.
Friend 1
Billy Payne.
Jen
Billy Payne.
Friend 1
But they landed that plane, and they said, hey, we gotta give you a quick inspection. Pull into the hangar. And they pulled the plane in the hangar and they went over it, they spent like four hours going over it, you know, and told they couldn't do any more flying on that day. And then the next day they gave him his ticket and said, here's what's wrong with your plane.
Jen
There's a number of mechanical issues wrong with your plane, sir.
Jeff
Okay, we'll be happy to send you
Jen
back up in the air if you get all of these lists taken care of.
Jeff
Oh, no kidding.
Jen
And they go, but you know what? We're not going to meet on Saturday. And God, we don't work on Sunday either. We'll see you Monday. We'll come back out first thing Monday, we'll re inspect it, and then you're welcome to go back up the air.
Jeff
No kidding. Really brilliant, brilliant plan. Did we find out if that story was fact or not later on?
Jen
No, it is. It's come out in the paper. Today's out. The plane owner claims that the only problem they found was a worn out table on a seat belt.
Jeff
No kidding.
Jen
But the plane owner. But the FAA says there was a number of mechanical issues. And we found out what the other two banners supposedly were gonna read. One of them was gonna say, you knew, Stevie, you knew. Which is a reference to Tiger's caddy, Steve Williams, who claims he had no idea that Tiger was being unfaithful. And then the other one was Tiger. Dash dash still on for the foursome question mark. And then dash dash, Jesse James.
Jeff
Oh, damn.
Jen
So those were going to be the other banners that never did get up in the air.
Jeff
I would say check out all of their pictures of Augusta up online, but there are none.
Jen
Get it.
Jeff
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Jeff
All right, so she's finally in front of us. It's a real story. None of us in here believed it for the first couple of days because it was so out. I mean, it was jaw dropping. So not so Psycho sue in studio with us. How are you?
Guest (Fiji)
Good.
Jen
Are you doing better? I was just saying to these guys off the air that after all you've been through, I would just be exhausted just from the drama and the emotional rollercoaster of it all, I would just be totally spent. Are you just tired?
Guest (Fiji)
Yeah. Well, it's been going on for so long that I kind of gotten used to it.
Host 2
It's.
Jen
So you've just gotten used to living inside of the drama?
Guest (Fiji)
Yeah.
Melissa
Very stuck home syndrome of you.
Jeff
Have you heard from him over the last couple of days or anything?
Guest (Fiji)
Well, he's not allowed to contact, so I've gotten one email, but it was kind of X rated. That I can't talk about from handling.
Jeff
Yeah, you mean just a whole bunch of curse words. Her friend here, Libby, is with us also. Hi.
Melissa
Hi.
Jeff
And in a lot. I don't think that mic's gonna work in a lot of cases. I think sometimes the friend actually gets angrier than the people that are in on the whole situation because she's on the. She's on the sidelines sort of looking in. And your friend here, when she walked in, she said, I told her from day one this guy wasn't any good.
J
Yeah, I'm not a big fan.
Jeff
From day one, you knew it?
J
Well, at first I was kind of supportive because she was happy and I was happy she was happy. But I got kind of old pretty quick.
Jeff
Yeah. So, like, were there problems, like, right from the start with this dude?
Guest (Fiji)
Yeah, I'm looking.
Melissa
I'm looking at Libby.
Jeff
You want real answers, go to Libby. So right from the start, there were. There were problems.
J
Very dramatic.
Jeff
Yeah. Major problem.
Friend 1
What was an early problem that you remember where you thought maybe I should say something?
J
Lying constantly. He would just lie a lot over
Jeff
things he didn't need to lie.
Friend 1
Pointless lies.
J
Yeah, it started off with pointless lies.
Jen
Do you think he's a compulsive liar?
J
Yeah.
Guest (Fiji)
But also, you should know, Libby didn't know us when we first started dating. We became, like, really good friends about six months into it. Like when we broke up for a minute, for a little while. Like I told you, like, Libby was friends with me then, and then I got back with him. So she saw the bad part. I mean, it was all bad.
J
I saw the breakup, like, the end of the breakup and dealing with that, and then the getting back together part and then all of it after.
Jeff
Drama afterwards.
J
Yes.
Jeff
So how long after you broke up with Tool did he meet Fiji?
Guest (Fiji)
Well, they dated before.
Jeff
Okay.
Guest (Fiji)
Me, they dated, like, before I even got to school.
Jeff
Okay.
Guest (Fiji)
And then they broke up, and then we met through people. And you were the.
Jen
Were you the rebound right after her?
Guest (Fiji)
About four months after her.
Jen
Four months after.
Guest (Fiji)
But I think they were still hooking up and stuff?
Jeff
Yeah. It doesn't sound like a rebound situation.
Guest (Fiji)
Yeah.
Jen
So he was still with her the whole time? Just didn't tell you about it?
Guest (Fiji)
Yeah, well, like the first time we dated they really were broken up because me and her like would see each other at the bar and you know, words would be said between us in the bathroom and stuff and.
Jeff
Nasty words.
Guest (Fiji)
Yeah, because she didn't like me. And I mean I. He would tell me bad things about her and then tell her bad things about me. And then I broke up with him when I came moved back up here and that's when Libby and I became friends. And then I got back with him about three months later after I broke up with him.
Jeff
Okay, now for those of you that have no idea what we're talking about because you were out on spring break, there's just no way for us to recap everything again. We did it at 7:30, so you're going to have to go online to find out exactly where we are. Right, but the last time we talked to you, you were leaving for the weekend and you still didn't have your puppy back because dude comes over to your house and his name is on the paper. So the police allow him to take your dog that you've had for a year and a half and you were trying to get him back. Did you get the dog back?
Guest (Fiji)
Yeah.
Jeff
You did.
Guest (Fiji)
Yay.
Jeff
How'd that happen?
Guest (Fiji)
My brother actually got him and like went over to his house and then he got the dog and then I don't know like what happened? Cause I was gone. But then yesterday when I got home, the dog was at my dog.
Jeff
That's the old fashioned way right there. Melissa, you were talking about.
Melissa
That's what I was talking about. I appreciate the legal system, I do, I do. But just sometimes let the redneck. The redneck way sometimes, which is just get your family, your friends involved. It's big brother, you know, get it done, get it done quick.
Jeff
So now you're you get back from your weekend at the beach, there's one email for you. And I'm assuming he's just chewing you out. He's just nasty.
Guest (Fiji)
Well, I don't know if I can talk. He sent me, me and Lindsay, or the bride, I think.
Jeff
I mean, because it's on Twitter and everything. Everybody pretty much knows the name now, but go ahead.
Guest (Fiji)
Okay. He sent us an email and he was like, this is what I. What did he say? He's like, I've done better or something. And it Was like a porn picture of a guy.
Jeff
Of a guy.
Guest (Fiji)
Of like. I don't know how to.
Friend 1
So he hooked up with a hot dude. I'm gonna teach these women.
J
It was a very dirty picture of something being done to a guy.
Jeff
To a guy by a woman.
Guest (Fiji)
Yes.
Jeff
Okay. But it wasn't him in the picture.
Guest (Fiji)
No, I don't think so.
Jeff
Look at.
Friend 1
Even Libby's like, no,
J
he probably, like, copied it off Google images or something. That's kind of how pathetic he is.
Jeff
I don't understand what the point was. He was trying.
Guest (Fiji)
I don't.
Friend 1
Because he was getting something. He was implying that he had already got something from a girl better than what they could provide.
Jeff
Okay.
J
Trying to get a reaction out of him.
Host 2
Bert.
Jeff
Sorry. God.
Friend 1
What he was doing.
Jeff
Don't ever do that ever again. I don't ever want to see that again. So was there any text with it
Guest (Fiji)
besides just like, look what happened or something like that? I don't remember.
Melissa
So he's trying to play off like, that was him. Yeah, the woman was.
Guest (Fiji)
And then the bride, she emailed me first. She's like, oh, my gosh, did you get that? And she was really upset. And then I sent it to Libby. And Libby's like, that's not him. She was like, that's off Google. And I was like.
Jeff
So he sends it to both of you and neither one of you respond back to him?
Guest (Fiji)
I didn't. I don't know if Fiji did.
Melissa
Yeah, that's what we've been calling her.
Jeff
Yeah, she's due back into town today.
Guest (Fiji)
No, she's back in town, but she's a teacher, so she has. You have to go to school on the first day back from break or something. I don't know.
Jeff
Okay. And have you talked to her since she's been back?
Guest (Fiji)
Yeah, we've talked.
Jeff
And how's she holding up?
Guest (Fiji)
She. I think it's worse now that she's back just cause, you know, she has to move everything out of the house they were supposed to be in together when they got back and stuff. So I think it's worse.
Jen
Is he trying to get back together with her?
Guest (Fiji)
You think he is trying to get back with. Well, now he's not trying to be with either of us. He says he has a new person, but still.
Friend 1
He found a new porn site on the Internet.
Guest (Fiji)
He still tells, like, both of us that he wants to be with us. Well, not me anymore, but her. He'll be like, I want to be with you still. I don't want to be with Her?
Jeff
Yeah. I read some emails last week that pretty much said the same thing. One was to her that said, when you get back from Fiji, I want to go to counseling. And then he sent an email to us saying that he wanted to go to counseling with you, so. What a tool.
Guest (Fiji)
Yeah.
Jeff
So you're past all this?
Guest (Fiji)
Mm.
Jeff
Okay.
Jen
Good for you.
Jeff
Yeah.
Melissa
Libby, is she past all this?
J
I hope so.
Jeff
What if she calls you Libby? She calls you in, like a week, and she's like, he's calling me again, and we're gonna go meet for lunch.
J
No, no, it won't happen.
Friend 1
You'll throw yourself in the hood of her car.
Jeff
Yes, exactly.
Jen
Well, at some point, you have to say to your friend, I can't be friends with you anymore if you keep engaging in this relationship.
J
It's just not fair for her. It's not fair for me just to sit around and watch it.
Jen
And it's so much clearer when you're the friend standing by watching your friend go through it than it is when you are the person who's in love or who has feelings and emotions all mixed up in it. But from the friend, from the outside looking in, especially if you're in a healthy relationship, are you?
J
Yes.
Jeff
Too much of a flaw. Hold on.
J
It's very healthy. We're very happy. We've been there for a little over two. Two years.
Melissa
I guess comparatively anything is healthy.
Janet Jackson
I know.
Jen
Especially, like, if you're with somebody who's treating you well and treating you right, and you see your friend getting treated this way, you're like, hello, it doesn't have to be this way. You know, they are good people.
Friend 1
Does he treat you? Does he treat you all, Libby?
J
Yes, he does.
Jen
Very well, actually.
Jeff
Jeff's looking for a spin off story.
Jen
He's looking for a Melrose place off his 90210.
Friend 1
There was a. You're in a good relationship.
Jeff
Chip beat paws.
Friend 1
Yeah. I mean, he's a boy, I'm a girl. We like each other.
Jeff
Well, thank you for coming in, you guys, and tying it all up with.
Melissa
I'm glad you got the dog back.
Jeff
Yes.
Jen
That is the most important.
Friend 1
Oh, my God. What if your ex calls Libby?
Guest (Fiji)
I doubt he will.
Jeff
There were more people, I think, concerned over the weekend about the dog than anything else. So we're glad you got the dog back, and thanks for sharing the story with us.
Friend 1
The bird show.
Jeff
It's the bird show. All right, so, Melissa, let's get to your psychic reading here, because this. This Natalie has really proven to be dead on Here lately.
Melissa
Yes. She initially was Jeff psychic. He got through Kim Zolciak.
Ad Voice
Right.
Melissa
And she also. And Kim got her through Charlie Sheen's
Friend 1
ex wife, Denise Richards.
Melissa
Denise Richards. Denise Richards. And so. So a lot of celebrities use her. And then Jeff, last year, we all found psychics, and all of ours kind of blew, except for Jeff's, Natalie Tomlinson. And so she had predicted some things about Jeff that he even forgot about, like, you know, some things that he, at the time, didn't realize were going to happen.
Friend 1
Going to Los Angeles. We all forgot about it. And when I was in la, a caller called up and said, hey, remember that psychic? She said Jeff would be going. So that was the thing that freaked me out.
Jeff
She got more accurate with time.
Melissa
And so we all are doing psychic readings with Natalie. I did mine a couple months ago. And so. And so the way I'm looking at it, the way I look at any psychic, is I want to believe, but I'm also a skeptic. So I'm kind of in the middle of the road. Like, I'm not going to completely judge it. But then you also have to think about, you know, the. The blanket statements that somebody may say and that you're just kind of fitting something into. But there are a couple things that she said in here that were like, well, now, come on. That's pretty. That's pretty close. So. So we'll just go ahead and play the conversation, and then I'll stop Bert whenever I have a place to explain what she said.
Jeff
Okay.
Host 2
I'm waiting for something new and exciting to happen for you. And you are waiting for this, right? It will, because it's like I've just got this hanging feeling, like, is this it? You know, something will change quite dramatically in your life. Somebody, you know, a male figure around you is keeping secrets from you.
Janet Jackson
Okay.
Host 2
So I don't know who this is,
Jeff
but that's a crappy thing to do to somebody.
Friend 1
Hey, how can I turn her against 50% of the population?
Jeff
Now you're looking at everybody all like, liar.
Melissa
So again, to blanket, to, you know, the first two, these are blanket statements that, you know, leaving it up to me to, you know, put something in there. So I have no. I have no real comments about either one of those.
Host 2
Nothing in those male figure close to you, they're keeping secrets from you. There's an old saying, everything comes out in the wash. Mm. And it's very true. Okay. You're attending a function, and you'll be wearing a very sexy dress. You will. You Might have to dig one out here. But it's a gala dinner. It's an evening dinner. And you look hot. You look really hot. And you're turning a lot of heads.
Melissa
Just start hitting on me here.
Host 2
You will have your own show one day. If you didn't know that you're going to have it. Okay? But more than that, you will have your own business attached to this. I feel like you're going to have your own corporation, your own company. Not sure what yet, because it's not being decided, but it will definitely happen. I feel like you're going to have your own empire.
Jeff
Empire later on.
Friend 1
So you're a mogul.
Host 2
Start something up. So you will. You've achieved certain goals, Melissa, and you've done very well, but you still have so many more to do, and you will do them because you're going to get help from the other side.
Melissa
So those are the blankets. So those are all blanket statements that I really don't have any plans on or have any comments on. But there were three things that she did say in that reading that were pretty poignant, and the first one had to do with the state of Florida.
Host 2
Now, I have a link coming up for you with Florida.
Janet Jackson
Okay.
Host 2
But I don't know if you're going to be going there or there's something connected with Florida shortly, which will be nice. And they're also mentioning. I'm awaiting to hear about the property. So I don't know if they're meaning one way or the other, you know, but all I know is I hear. I'm waiting to hear about a property.
Janet Jackson
Okay?
Melissa
So this was done right before Burt's big adventure. Now, again, I'm in Georgia, so it may be because she knows that where we are, and so it could be a case. Of course, you're easily gonna go to Florida. But I've been to Florida three times in the past two months since that reading. We went for Burt's Big Adventure, and then I went to the Daytona 500. And actually, I'm going to Florida. Rather, the third time is I'm going to Florida in two weeks for a wedding. So, I mean, she said Florida. That's pretty good.
Friend 1
She's very vague. She's like, psychic maybe. Like, maybe you don't have psychic vibes because your original psychic was.
Melissa
Yeah, maybe. This may be that. And again, she spoke in very general terms, but this next one was very specific.
Host 2
I have the name of Emily. If you don't know the person already, this name is going to be linked to you. It might be a person that you see for a day. It could be somebody longer than that. But I've got that name coming up around you very shortly.
Melissa
So one of my best friend's name is Emily, and she was about to have surgery. And so she's my friend that just recently had surgery, had been homebound for the past six weeks. So I've been helping take care of her at her home. So Emily, that was specific, and that's something that did happen.
Jeff
When she gets these.
Host 2
Right.
Jeff
Does it lend credibility to the stuff that you don't know what she's talking about yet?
Melissa
I don't know. Like, I don't know whether. I mean, again with the psychic. Who knows? I mean, if they splay a bunch of stuff out, and it's almost like, you know, we've been talking about golf all day. The one good golf swing you have on the course keeps you going out there, even though for 17 holes you suck. You know what I mean? So, I mean, I don't know if it does or not, but this last one is another one that, you know, did, you know, was close to.
Host 2
I have a father figure in spirit world. Whether this is a father or a grandfather, there's a male figure around you.
Melissa
Now, again, it could be a blanket statement that could apply to so many people. But, of course, my father has passed away. And so that's the. That's the point that I, you know,
Jeff
fit into that she'd get into more specifics about that. That's that person.
Melissa
That was it.
Jeff
That was it.
Friend 1
I think she's actually bringing up Earl woods, and I think it's. Tiger's dad is coming to you saying, defend my honor.
Jeff
So nothing really as impactful for you as it was for Jen.
Melissa
Yeah, it's just mostly just kind of, you know, general. And, you know, Emily was probably the one thing that was pretty specific that there's really no explanation for.
Jeff
I'm gonna have to go back and listen to mine and we'll play it Monday or Tuesday. Because I know as the reading was going on, I sort of felt like Melissa does right now, like, there's nothing here that's striking at my heart. There's nothing emotional about it. The predictions that she was making didn't really connect with. With me or anything. And sort of the things that she was saying that was going on in my life right now are sort of vague, like I didn't really connect. But maybe when I go back and listen to it and edit it for Monday or Tuesday, some things will come up, right? But I. I want the Jen reaction.
Melissa
I want to be crying on the radio, man.
Jeff
That's what I'm looking for right there.
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Podcast Date: July 15, 2026
Main Cast: Bert, Kristin, Abby, Cassie, Tommy, Jen, Jeff, Melissa, “Friend 1,” Janet Jackson (guest), and others.
This episode of The Bert Show is a classic blend of entertainment news, personal anecdotes, and compelling listener stories. The hosts provide their trademark humor and authenticity as they recount a tense Janet Jackson interview, share experiences from the Masters golf tournament, dive into a juicy relationship drama, and explore the validity of psychic readings. Expect laughs, candid conversation, and memorable moments.
[01:30–11:25]
Background: The hosts reflect on their history of great interviews with Janet Jackson and preview a recent tense exchange caused by her publicist's heavy-handed oversight.
Publicist Drama: Janet’s publicist demanded no questions about the Jackson family or Michael Jackson’s death, which the hosts found unnecessary given prior respectful discussions.
“We spent 20 minutes talking to Janet Jackson months ago about how she's handling the death of her brother. And she was cool with it and we were cool with it, but why would we ever do it again?” (03:13)
Awkward Moment: The team's innocent tour-related question triggered the publicist, who abruptly interrupted Janet’s answer.
“She interrupted Janet while she was talking. So I think that was kind of probably what threw everybody...” (03:57)
Reflections on Rude Publicists:
“I can't stand rude celebrity publicists…they almost earn credit with each other by how mean they are.” (04:25)
“There's a way to be a bad cop and be effective instead of just being, you know, offensive.” (05:01)
Interview Excerpts:
Janet talks about her hectic life, love for the ocean, and enjoys downtime with friends and family.
“I love the beach. And if I can't, it's about being with my friends, being with my family… I love reading. I love watching black and white films, old films.” (06:16)
Jackson Family Reunion Rumors:
“No one's asked me about being involved with a reunion tour so that I know nothing of.” (06:49)
“I think they should for sure do a reunion tour. For sure. Them.” (07:11)
“I just think people want to see them and not necessarily their little sister tagging along with them...But that's me as a fan.” (07:37)
About the Movie—Why Did I Get Married Too?:
“Some of my friends call me their therapist, actually. And this was before the film... I'm still trying to figure this out for myself, but they do.” (08:48)
On Marriage:
“If it's God's plan for me...then it's gonna happen.” (09:37)
Collaboration with Jermaine Dupri:
“We wrote it together. We produced it together... I'm really happy because people have been listening to this song and really, really taken to it.” (09:57)
Post-breakup friendship with Jermaine:
“We never stopped loving one another. I adore, adore, adore him. He is such a good man and has such a wonderful heart.” (10:40)
Hosts’ Encouragement:
“You may not know this. You're Janet Jackson.” (11:14)
[13:34–25:45]
Jen’s Masters Adventure:
Augusta Traditions:
“All the members are wearing their green jackets, and they're working the whole time.” (18:47)
Watching Tiger Woods & Legends:
Jen and Friend 1 (plus their guests) watched close up, including Tiger from just four feet away.
“Jen could have stuck her hand out and touched Tiger.” (21:00)
On Tiger Woods:
“He is a golf machine. He is a robot. I don't think that he has emotion. I don't think that he's ever known emotion.” (22:22)
Flyover Banner Drama:
Conclusion:
[26:19–35:19]
“Not-so-Psycho Sue” (pseudonym), her friend Libby, and the hosts dissect a chaotic breakup involving constant drama, lies, and emotional manipulation from Sue’s ex-boyfriend.
On Emotional Exhaustion:
“After all you've been through, I would just be exhausted just from the drama…” (26:34)
“It's been going on for so long that I kind of gotten used to it.” (26:47)
Red Flags from the Start:
“He would just lie a lot over things he didn't need to lie [about]. Pointless lies.” (28:12)
Dog Custody Saga:
“My brother actually got him and like went over to his house and then he got the dog...when I got home, the dog was at my dog.” (30:21)
Ex-boyfriend’s Antics:
Sent a lewd email with a pornographic image to both exes, trying to provoke them.
The women respond with humor and exasperation.
“She was like, that's not him. She was like, that's off Google. And I was like...” (32:13)
Libby insists on friend boundaries if Sue ever resumes contact.
"At some point, you have to say to your friend, I can't be friends with you anymore if you keep engaging in this relationship." (33:52)
[35:22–42:34]
Background:
General Predictions:
Claims of dramatic life change, a secretive male figure, and an impending “hot” gala moment. The team jokes about these “blanket statements.”
“To blanket, to, you know, the first two, these are blanket statements that, you know, leaving it up to me to, you know, put something in there.” (37:12)
Specific Predictions & Hits:
“Link to Florida”—Melissa reports frequent recent trips to Florida just after the reading (Bert’s Big Adventure, Daytona 500, an upcoming wedding).
“Name Emily”—Melissa’s close friend Emily recently required significant post-surgery care.
“So Emily, that was specific, and that's something that did happen.” (40:42)
“Father figure in spirit world”—Melissa’s father is deceased; she acknowledges the generic but personally relevant message.
Reflections on Psychic Validity:
The hosts remain largely skeptical, noting the broadness of the predictions, but admit some eerie coincidences.
Jeff:
"So nothing really as impactful for you as it was for Jen." (41:51)
Melissa:
“Emily was probably the one thing that was pretty specific that there's really no explanation for.” (41:53)
Jeff on Publicists:
"She was just offensive. So she does have a new movie out this weekend...But you're not gonna hear us talk much about it during this interview." (05:19)
Janet Jackson on family tour rumors:
“I just think people want to see them and not necessarily their little sister tagging along with them.” (07:37)
Jen on Augusta National:
“All of the members work to take care of the guests, to take care of him. I just think it's so cool.” (18:47)
Jen on Tiger Woods:
"He is a golf machine. He is a robot. I don't think that he has emotion. I don't think that he's ever known emotion." (22:22)
Classic Bert Show energy: funny, fast-moving, and honest. The team navigates celebrity culture (Janet Jackson, Augusta National, Tiger Woods), digs deep into messy real-life drama, and investigates (while poking fun at) the world of psychic predictions. Whether listeners tune in for pop culture, relationship advice, or jaw-dropping stories, this episode delivers a lively, unfiltered morning show escape.