Full Show PT 3: Wednesday, May 6 [Vault]

Summary

The Bert Show – Full Show PT 3: Wednesday, May 6 [Vault]

Podcast Date: May 6, 2026
Main Cast: Bert, Kristin, Abby, Cassie, Tommy, and the whole Bert Show crew

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Episode Overview

In this episode, The Bert Show crew dives into several engaging and relatable topics: privacy concerns in women's restrooms amid hidden camera scares, the drama and humor of selecting house paint colors with a partner, producer Joanna’s wild quest to snag an A-list celebrity guest, and a heated listener HR dilemma about workplace honesty and bias. As always, the cast delivers authentic perspectives, plenty of laughs, and memorable, candid moments.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Hidden Cameras and Women's Restroom Safety

Timestamps: 00:30 – 06:50

• Background: Mention of the Erin Andrews case and growing anxiety around hidden cameras invading privacy in restrooms and dressing rooms.
• Listener Tips: Callers and cast recall advice about checking vents, ceiling tiles, and behind mirrors for hidden cameras.
  • Notable Example: A listener once said to check tanning bed fans and dressing room mirrors for hidden devices.
• On-Air Investigation: Melissa recounts noticing a moved ceiling tile in their own office bathroom and, with Carl’s help, checks it for cameras (finding nothing but sparking a lot of paranoia and laughter).
• Sprinkler Head Concerns: Brief debate if sprinkler heads can or have been used to hide cameras.
• Memorable Quote:
  • Jeff: "That's enough to freak you out. To totally, totally freak you out." (05:04)

Discussion About Women's Restroom Trash Cans

• Timestamps: 06:50 – 07:45
• The male hosts learn about the wall-mounted boxes for feminine hygiene products in women's stalls, sparking surprise and a few awkwardly funny comparisons ("Is it like a sharps container?").
• Melissa explains, “It's a steel box,” and Jeff admits he never really understood what the boxes were for.
• Joanna: "Some of them have them. Some of them do not. … That’s male managers not planning for the women." (07:26)

Creepy Store Experience

• Timestamps: 07:29 – 08:50
• Caller Kat tells how a woman at Michaels caught a man trying to look up her skirt with a mirror—highlighting the persistence of this problem and the need for vigilance.

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2. Dilemmas & Drama: Partner Paint Color Wars

Timestamps: 10:00 – 18:27

• Birch’s Home Renovation Saga: House is getting painted due to roof leaks and insurance, leading to an epic standoff between him and Jessica over who gets to pick paint colors.
• Division of Labor: Melissa shares how splitting rooms by responsibility avoids conflict.
• Group Debate:
  • Risk of choosing before your spouse returns ("If you go ahead and pick the paint without running it by her … just on principle alone, she's not going to like the color." – Jeff, 12:33)
• Role Reversal: Joanna predicts that if roles were reversed, even a good choice would cause initial conflict.
• Quote:
  • Birch: "The problem is, Bert, what's the difference between thundercloud gray and field mouse gray? You can't tell." (18:06)
• Caller Solutions:
  • Charity calls in, suggesting: "He went out and picked three, I picked my three, we commented on each other's and then I got the final decision." (18:29)

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3. Producer Joanna’s Celebrity Hunt

Timestamps: 21:25 – 32:36

• Self-Inflicted Challenge: Joanna vows to score an interview with Jamie Foxx, Josh Duhamel, or Katherine Heigl—who are filming in Atlanta.
• Adventures & Near Misses: She chases down leads at CNN Center and Buckhead bars, only to miss Josh Duhamel by minutes.
• Listener Tip Pays Off: Finally, her friend spots Josh Duhamel at Tin Lizzy's; after a mad dash from a family funeral (still in conservative dress), Joanna arrives and buys Duhamel and table six shots.
• Her Pitch: She boldly introduces herself and pitches the show. Duhamel is gracious and gives a tentative yes.
• Memorable Quotes:
  • Joanna: "I'm sitting… I could have spit at him I was sitting so close." (25:57)
  • Joanna on nerves: "My sweat glands were in overdrive. I can't believe I was… I was shaky. I've never been that [nervous]." (32:18)
  • Birch, on buying six shots: “Then I think I went and got in the shower or something. Then I got out and said, okay, you need to reimburse me for six shots.” (28:38)
• Resolution: Josh says he’s heard of the show and may come on this week.
• Audience Question: How attractive is Josh Duhamel in person?
  • Joanna: “He is so hot. He really is. He’s such a good-looking guy.” (31:59)
  • Jeff: “He’s just one of those guys that would take a movie role to be ugly because he’s so good-looking and couldn’t pull it off because he’s that good looking." (32:04)

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4. Workplace Ethics: The Fake Engagement Ring Firing

Timestamps: 32:36 – 44:42

• Sheila’s Dilemma Recap: Sheila, an employer, hired someone wearing an engagement ring. The new hire later admits she wore it to appear more "hirable" and was never actually engaged.
• Sheila Fires Employee: Sheila justifies her firing as a breach of trust (for “misrepresenting” herself in the interview), though the real motivation is revealed as discomfort having single women in the office (her husband works there).
• Legal & Ethical Debate:
  • Cast and callers challenge Sheila—pointing out the thin legal ground for firing and the discrimination in not hiring single women.
  • Lawyer Lisa calls in to clarify: Georgia is an “at-will” state, but when Sheila gave the real reason, she created grounds for a lawsuit.
• Notable Quotes:
  • Birch: "You can wear a ring, and you're left ring finger for any one of a million reasons." (34:47)
  • Jeff: "If I've never bought this whole I trust you, I just don’t trust other women thing, I’ve never… I thought that’s just a cop out." (38:49)
• Lightly Touching on the Nanny Analogy: Melissa compares it to families not wanting to hire attractive, young nannies ("Is it any different?").
• Legal Consequences:
  • Lisa: "If she [the employee] is smart, she'd go see a lawyer first thing this morning." (43:52)
• Joanna wonders: "I wonder if the Birch show tapes would be subpoenaed." (44:00)
• Birch: "What are we seeing here? Start lying, people." (tongue firmly in cheek, 43:03)

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Memorable Quotes & Moments with Timestamps

• "That's enough to freak you out. To totally, totally freak you out." – Jeff (05:04)
• "Is it like a sharps container at a hospital?" – Birch, on mystery restroom bins (06:14)
• "The problem is, Bert, what's the difference between thundercloud gray and field mouse gray? You can't tell." – Birch (18:06)
• "My sweat glands were in overdrive. I can't believe I was… I was shaky. I've never been that nervous." – Joanna (32:18)
• "You can wear a ring, and you're left ring finger for any one of a million reasons." – Birch (34:47)
• "What are we seeing here? Start lying, people." – Birch (facetiously) (43:03)
• Legal advice: "If she [the employee] is smart, she'd go see a lawyer first thing this morning." – Lisa, caller & lawyer (43:52)

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Summary Table: Major Segments & Timestamps

| Topic | Cast/Callers Involved | Timestamps |
|--------------------------------------|-----------------------------|------------| | Hidden camera paranoia in restrooms | Melissa, Joanna, Jeff, Carl | 00:30–06:50| | Restroom feminine product bins | Jeff, Melissa, Joanna | 06:50–07:45| | Public mirror voyeurism story | Kat (Caller), Birch | 07:29–08:50| | House paint color standoffs | Birch, Jessica, Jeff, Melissa, Joanna | 10:00–18:27| | Celebrity chase: Josh Duhamel quest | Joanna, Jeff, Melissa, listeners | 21:25–32:36| | Employee fired over fake engagement | Sheila (Caller), Lisa (Lawyer), Cast, Mike (caller) | 32:36–44:42|

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Tone & Style

• Authentic & Unfiltered: Hosts maintain their trademark blend of humor, curiosity, and candor, even during heavier topics.
• Engaging & Fun: Light teasing among cast members and willingness to share personal mishaps give it a morning show, relatable vibe.
• Supportive Community: Callers share personal stories, legal advice, and solutions with real impact.

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Final Takeaway

This Bert Show episode is a prime example of why loyal listeners tune in: real talk about everyday anxieties (from domestic disputes over paint to privacy at work and in public), comic honesty about personal flaws, and that unvarnished, supportive group dynamic. The segment on hidden cameras cleverly segues into quirky debates about home improvement and an epic celebrity chase, before tackling the serious implications of honesty—and dishonesty—in the workplace.

Whether you're looking for advice, a laugh, or just to feel less alone in life's messy moments, this episode has you covered.

Transcript

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[Jeff]

Get it the Birch show so as we were saying a couple months ago when that whole story broke about Erin Andrews, the CNN reporter, I mean, it was freaking women out.

[Caller - Kat/Charity/Carolyn/Tracy]

Yeah.

[Melissa]

And now and before that, there's been plenty of stories about women in bathroom settings and dressing room settings. And so women are always a little cautious about someone kind of having a hidden camera somewhere. Like, you know, at stadiums there's stories of guys with, you know, cameras on their shoes and all that crap. So. But the Erin Andrews story I think really brought attention to the fact of the creepers who use cameras in any random place. And in her case, it was in the peephole of her hotel room.

[Jeff]

So at one point we asked you guys, you know, if this has happened, if you've been a victim to something like this before, then call us and tell us where you need to look for stuff like this.

[Melissa]

Right.

[Jeff]

And the one I remember standing out for me was like in the fan of the tanning bed. Do you remember that? Yeah, it was like a little camera in the fan of the tanning bed. So when you're lying down, there could be a camera in there. Somebody else called and said, if you're in a dressing room, right. Run your fingers behind the mirror in the dressing room and if there's an actual space there, then there could be a camera behind there. Where else were they?

[Melissa]

But the one that I remember is the cop that we had a police officer on the phone one time talking about tiles, tiles in the ceiling, and that was in dressing rooms and bathrooms and everywhere and said, you know, a lot of times if you see a tile moved for whatever reason, there may be something hidden in there. Now, of course this is probably completely over cautious, but it brought it to mind because I went to the restroom during whatever song we had played a few minutes ago and hobbled on down there, went to the restroom and was coming out of the restroom and happened to look up and I saw one of the tiles in the women's restroom is just a little off. So it means. So it's like it's one of those, you know, regular office tiles where if you push it up and kind of pull it to the side a little bit, there's, you know, it sits up on top of it and there's a gap where you can see into the

[Birch]

ceiling drop ceiling just freak you out a little bit.

[Melissa]

Yeah. So that's what was going on in the bathroom. And I saw it and I thought, well, that's interesting. And then I didn't think, you know, and then I looked back up and I said, you know what? No way. There's no way that somebody's put anything up there but the tiles. The one tiles moved. For whatever reason, it was not put back.

[Jeff]

So Carl is outside the woman's bathroom right now making sure nobody's coming or going.

[Joanna]

Well, and here's the thing is, Melissa just told us about that, but I had no choice but to go down and use the restroom in between. And I was looking around and I didn't see what she saw.

[Jeff]

So I wonder if after you heading down there. Okay.

[Joanna]

After she went the first time, if somebody went in and moved it back

[Jeff]

maybe after we talked about it or something. Yeah, that's enough to freak you out right there.

[Joanna]

Yeah, that would freak anybody out. And I went in there earlier, so now I'm thinking about that.

I know. Oh, man.

[Jeff]

Cause it wouldn't take much. I mean, they say those cameras now are the size of your fingernail, so you could put one up there. So Melissa's walking down to the bathroom right now. She's got cell phone, and she's gonna poke the tile back with her cane. She's been rocking a cane the last couple of weeks because of her knee. And see if we can find anything. Yeah, her crutch. And see if there's anything up there. Chances are pretty good there's nothing.

[Birch]

That's her on the hotline. Joanna was gonna go down and just stand guard at the bathroom while Carl poked around. But because Jen said there was no tile moved, Melissa's now freaked out that she wants to make sure it's the exact tile because she thinks it might be moved back. So Carl's on it.

[Joanna]

I didn't see what she was talking about.

[Jeff]

Are you in there, Melissa?

[Caller - Kat/Charity/Carolyn/Tracy]

Yeah, I'm in the bathroom.

[Joanna]

And I brought Carl.

[Caller - Kat/Charity/Carolyn/Tracy]

And we double checked, and it's just. It's this one right there. Yeah, it still moved just slightly. And it's probably nothing, but it's worth checking out for the other ladies.

[Sheila]

Yes.

[Joanna]

Which number is it over?

[Caller - Kat/Charity/Carolyn/Tracy]

It is number three. Is that your stall, Jen?

[Joanna]

That's usually the one that I go to. I don't know why I'm routine like that.

[Jeff]

I think most people go to the far stall because it's farthest away from me.

[Caller - Kat/Charity/Carolyn/Tracy]

It's over stall number three.

[Sheila]

And it's.

[Caller - Kat/Charity/Carolyn/Tracy]

And it was just a little off. And so Carl has now pushed it up and he's going to run his fingers around the edges. Just anything? Just any. Can't Carl's like, what am I looking for? Like, he's freaked out at that camera.

[Birch]

A midget?

[Caller - Kat/Charity/Carolyn/Tracy]

Yeah. And there's nothing. And he doesn't seem to find anything up there. Did anybody ever say anything about the shower or not shower, but the sprinkler heads?

[Jeff]

Sprinkler heads?

[Joanna]

Like.

[Jeff]

Oh, you mean like a camera would be in a sprinkler head or something like that?

[Caller - Kat/Charity/Carolyn/Tracy]

Well, there's sprinkler head in that tile. So anyway. So yeah, Carl has put it back.

[Joanna]

There's no wires or anything.

[Caller - Kat/Charity/Carolyn/Tracy]

And there wasn't anything in there. But I, you know, it was worth checking out. Stinks in here. Well, I told you women's restrooms are worse than men anyway, so. Yeah, so we checked it out. There's nothing up there. But it was a skew, so we had to. Had to find out.

[Jeff]

That's enough to freak you out. To totally, totally freak you out.

[Joanna]

Like, what would be the reason of it being moved? Like, who?

I don't know.

[Birch]

Yeah, that's the thing is if you.

[Caller - Kat/Charity/Carolyn/Tracy]

Unless they were working on that sprinkler head for some reason. Yeah, the tile was moved differently than it had been in the past.

[Sheila]

So.

[Jeff]

Okay, thanks, Melissa. So nothing there, but something that you might want to look out for.

[Birch]

And here's the key. If you're gonna hide something in the women's restroom here, move another tile. Cause we'll only check one. So you put your camera on the other side, you put it just right. You put the towel back perfectly. Nobody will notice it as long as you put another skewed tile on the other side of the room.

[Jeff]

Dude. While we're on the subject of women's bathrooms, I've been looking for a way to bring this up for the last couple of days. This happened a couple of weeks ago.

[Birch]

Is this you getting called out the other day?

[Jeff]

No, it's not me getting called out, but I don't think most guys know this. And to women you're probably gonna go, you guys didn't know that? I heard two women in a restaurant a couple of weeks ago. Talking about being in a women's restroom together and having some. There's some kind of box between stalls for y' all to throw your feminine products.

[Melissa]

Yeah.

[Jeff]

So that's where you throw those things. And it's attached to the wall?

[Joanna]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jeff]

Did you know that?

[Birch]

Is it like. Like. I'm assuming it's like. Like a sharps container at a hospital, right?

[Melissa]

Well, it's like a little container. You flip the lid and there's a little.

[Jeff]

Yeah, it's a little trash can that's installed in.

[Melissa]

In between the stall. Some. Now there's some that. There's trash can in. On the floor, like a regular trash can. But in our bathrooms here, most of

[Joanna]

them, it's on the wall.

[Melissa]

It's a steel box.

[Jeff]

I was listening to them, and I didn't want to interrupt their conversation, but I'm like, what. What are they talking about?

[Melissa]

Because you really shouldn't flush them, but a lot of women do, so that's to keep you from flushing them.

[Jeff]

So it's a shared box on the wall.

[Joanna]

There's one in each store.

[Birch]

It's a garbage can.

[Jeff]

Oh, so it's like basically a garbage can.

[Joanna]

It's just a garbage can.

[Birch]

What do you think it was that then if somebody needed one, they could go in there and find one that hasn't been used much.

[Jeff]

But from the way I interpreted it, there was a shared one between walls.

[Melissa]

But maybe some of those steel. Have you ever. You don't think that there may be just one big steel thing?

[Jeff]

No, I had no idea.

[Melissa]

Well, I tell you, and I will say on that, for restaurants and businesses that have women's restrooms, that don't have them in the stalls at all, that's a disservice to women.

[Jeff]

So some of them have them. Some of them do not.

[Melissa]

Some of them. There are some that don't have anything at all. And I think that's poor planning. That's male managers not planning the restroom for the women. You know.

[Jeff]

Hey, Kat. Good Morning. You're on Q100.

[Caller - Kat/Charity/Carolyn/Tracy]

Hi.

[Jeff]

Hello.

[Birch]

Hello.

[Caller - Kat/Charity/Carolyn/Tracy]

No, I just heard you guys talking about the cameras and the women's restrooms and everything. I was in Michaels by Mall of Georgia probably two months ago, and I was at the front checking out, and we heard this woman from the back of the store screaming to call the police.

[Melissa]

Really?

[Caller - Kat/Charity/Carolyn/Tracy]

The top of her lungs. And so you automatically think that somebody's, like, trying to accost her like that? Well, she comes up the front of the store, and she has got this guy by the back of his shirt. She's hauling him bodily up to the front, right? And she's still yelling for us to call the cops. We're trying to figure out what's going on. It's like eight, nine people up front. And she says, this guy was trying to look up my skirt with this mirror that he had grabbed off the rack. He had thrown it on the floor. They put it on the floor and was scooting it with his foot, trying to look up her skirt. And I remember hearing about that when I was a kid, but never since then. And, I mean, he ran out of the store. Store manager went after him. As far as I know, he got away. But it was. It was just something like. I told all my friends about it and everything so they could watch out for, like, their children.

[Jeff]

And that kind of thing can never happen to me, is probably what you're thinking right now.

[Caller - Kat/Charity/Carolyn/Tracy]

You don't even think to look at the floor.

[Birch]

He took one of the mirrors that were for sale in the store and

[Caller - Kat/Charity/Carolyn/Tracy]

was using it like. Like a little square, like ten by ten mirror creeper.

[Melissa]

Freaky, man.

[Sheila]

Freaky.

[Mike]

Creaky.

[Jeff]

Good morning, Georgia. You're on Q100.

[Caller - Kat/Charity/Carolyn/Tracy]

Hi, Bert. You're not crazy.

[Jeff]

How's that? Well, in what way?

[Caller - Kat/Charity/Carolyn/Tracy]

Our workplace has. The wall that divides the stalls has actually got a receptacle that it fits between. I mean, into the wall, and on either side, there's a push little door thing. And the receptacle, though, you can tell that it goes all the way to the other side.

[Melissa]

So it's one big touch.

[Jeff]

One big one.

[Caller - Kat/Charity/Carolyn/Tracy]

That's supposed to be one big one. You push on either side. So it's a shared one. Like what you were talking about?

[Melissa]

Yeah.

[Joanna]

No, I've never seen one of those.

[Birch]

I'm fascinated that you're fascinated.

[Jeff]

I'm fascinated. Here, Bird show. You're on the Birch show.

[Birch]

The house. My house right now is the construction zone that, like, you see in movies and stuff, where they have the plastic up and, like, rooms are blocked off and everything, because we're getting a bunch of painting done, Getting a bunch of stuff done. But we're getting painting and drywall stuff done. And they're doing the ceilings right now. They're gonna paint the ceiling. So everything from the edge of the ceiling down is just covered in plastic. And the whole house is like, operation, whatever, rehab, right? So they're gonna paint the ceilings today, and then they're gonna have to take all that stuff down, and we're gonna put the house back together and it's gonna have to be normal for the rest of the week. And then next week, they're gonna do it all over again. When the logic would be just to leave it all up. Right. And just get it all done right now. Not allowed to do that.

[Melissa]

Not allowed to do that.

[Birch]

No. Because Jessica won't allow me to pick out paint colors in our house.

[Jeff]

Why doesn't she trust you?

[Birch]

Because I'll pick the wrong ones.

[Jeff]

Do you have a history of picking the wrong ones in the past?

[Birch]

No, she does.

[Melissa]

Uh. Oh, but she thinks you do, and you think she does.

[Birch]

Well, I don't really pick any. Like, I, you know, sometimes. Look, I don't pick any. I don't think I've ever really picked and said, I definitely want this one. I picked my office, which I think looked really good, which I know looks really good because people compliment me on it. But the rest of the one.

[Jeff]

The office in your house.

[Birch]

Yeah.

[Jeff]

Not the pillar.

[Birch]

That one. Okay, Tracey, to that.

[Jeff]

Because based on that, I'd say Jessica's right.

[Birch]

So. Yeah, Jessica picks out the paint and what happens. She has a very difficult time with change and commitment and new and decision,

[Joanna]

like, decision making about this. Because I think that paint color is probably the most difficult thing to make a decision about.

[Birch]

Yes. And I mean, we have. I think one of the biggest public fights that we ever got in was in the Home Depot paint aisle. And I'm pretty sure I threw a handful of those little paint squares at her at some point in there and walked out. And, you know, and I think the guy over there, you know, mixing the paint, you know, running the big jiggler box thing, you know, mixing it. I think he. I don't even think he was. Any other time you see a man throw a handful of something at a woman, like, you're probably calling 911, he's like, oh, there's another one.

[Jeff]

That's not his first rodeo.

[Birch]

There's another one. But because she's just so fickle and whatever, so part of me is tempted to just do it because I know she'll like it once it's done.

[Jeff]

Oh, boy.

[Melissa]

See, that's why Katie and I did the whole. Each room is a different person's responsibility, and that alleviates any fight. So we divided our house up into. In half, and we did room by room. And I can't say anything about the room she's in charge of and vice versa. Yeah.

[Birch]

I mean, but, yeah, like. Yeah, I guess I do.

[Melissa]

No, I do.

[Jeff]

But that's not what you Would pick.

[Melissa]

But it doesn't matter because it's. I mean, that's what we decided upon. And we have not had an argument over doing our house.

[Jeff]

Here's the risk you're running. If you go ahead and you pick the paint without running it by her when she walks into the house, just on principle alone, she's not going to like the color.

[Joanna]

You don't know that.

[Jeff]

But that's not a risk I take. That's a lot of money.

[Joanna]

That's your expectation? She could come back in and be like, oh, my God, Jeff, thank you so much. This is perfect. And she could really be really help, like, thankful that you eliminated that decision making for her.

[Jeff]

You know your wife better than anybody. So which one of those scenarios is the more likely I.

[Birch]

Here's what I feel where I think I'm running into a problem. I think I could get the house done in a way that she would really like and that she would be happy with it once it was done, but it's really going to be expensive and miserable. It's like that little, you know, the 3%. If you're wrong, if my scale's like one of those thermometers. If the tiny little bit of white still at the top.

[Jeff]

Dude, the repercussions are so heavy here.

[Birch]

I would never make another decision that I wouldn't ever again.

[Jeff]

Then I wouldn't do it. No bail mission.

[Joanna]

So what are you exactly painting?

[Birch]

Everything. A few months ago, our roof leaked. We had some interior damage. We're having that repaired. And because that damage is like, at the angle of where the ceilings meet the walls, they have to in order to match the paint. The insurance company is actually paying to have the whole room repainted. You don't just get the damaged area. They're gonna repaint the ceiling in the entire room, which gives us the option of changing the colors. So with that, there were a couple other things we wanted to do, which is gonna mean a couple other rooms are painted. So with the exception of the biggest room in our house, like the big. We call it the fancy living room. Like the kind of the den area, formal living room. Like, with the exception of that room, which is really big, the whole rest of the house is getting painted. The area I'm concerned about is like, the kitchen, dining room, casual living room, like tv.

[Melissa]

So you have three rooms for the entire house.

[Jeff]

That's three rooms right there, man.

[Birch]

Well, that's where we live. Like, that's where we eat dinner at the table. We cook in the kitchen. We Lie on the couch. We. You know.

[Joanna]

So why don't you get a designer to come over and pick the colors?

[Birch]

We've had bad luck with designers.

[Joanna]

Well, that doesn't mean he will again.

[Birch]

I know, but what if I do? Then not only is it my fault for doing that, then I've hired someone to come over and pick wrong colors,

[Jeff]

and then he hasn't consulted her on who the designer is.

[Birch]

What about me?

[Jeff]

Hey, Charity. Good Morning. You're on Q100. Hi.

[Caller - Kat/Charity/Carolyn/Tracy]

Good morning, Jeff. My advice to you would be just do it. I'm going through the same thing at my house.

[Birch]

Yes.

[Caller - Kat/Charity/Carolyn/Tracy]

And I don't like change. I feel like there's such a sense of finality with choosing paint colors. It's so stressful to me. And as much as I'm telling my husband, no, no, no, let me choose. Let me choose. In a way, I wish he would just do it.

[Jeff]

It's a trap, dude. Yeah, it's a trap. I know what you're trying to do. I think she's in on the trap. Yeah.

[Caller - Kat/Charity/Carolyn/Tracy]

Don't do it.

[Jeff]

I think all women here are bonded by trying to trap men.

[Melissa]

So, again, so you're not choosing the colors for the entire house, or you're trying to choose?

[Birch]

The problem that I.

[Melissa]

It's not. One room's a big change, but you're talking. You're painting every wall in your house.

[Birch]

Just three but major. Three rooms that we're in.

[Sheila]

Yeah.

[Caller - Kat/Charity/Carolyn/Tracy]

Yeah.

[Birch]

I did the garage. I picked out the colors in the garage all by myself.

[Jeff]

She doesn't care about that.

[Birch]

She let me.

[Jeff]

She didn't care.

[Joanna]

She let me.

[Jeff]

Yeah, that was her right. That was her sacrificial. She didn't care about that.

[Birch]

But it's just. It's like I said, it's just so. There's so much that goes into painting. The fact that we have to do it twice.

[Jeff]

Don't do it. Good morning. Q100.

[Joanna]

Is that A.

[Jeff]

This is a Volkswagen Buzz telling you not to do it. Hey, what's going on?

[Mike]

Not much, Jeff. I've been married for 12 years. Bird's right. Don't do it. Just the fact that she said not to touch the paint until she got home. She's gonna hate whatever you like. Yeah, man. Just off GP Don't.

[Jeff]

Too much to lose, not enough to gain here, man.

[Birch]

I actually thought of doing something like. Like one of the closets or something, painting it, like a really wild color, like, really bright green, and go, hey. And I thought this would be. And using your technique.

[Jeff]

Shocking.

[Sheila]

Her.

[Birch]

Right. And then the rest of the house would just be the nice, like, the browns, the. And the yellows that we had talked about. Ish. But then to have her go that closet, then she still has the power to change something, because I never would have kept the closet that color anyways.

[Jeff]

If the rolls were reversed and you walk in from your vacation and she's got three major rooms done, and you specifically told her, not touched. We're gonna do this together. Don't do anything until I get back. You're gonna be close to it as soon as you walk.

[Birch]

Not if they look good, though.

[Jeff]

Even if they look good. See, I think even if they look good, you would fight her on it on principle alone.

[Birch]

Because I know the genre.

[Jeff]

It might come in a couple of days. You may soften up that it looks good. But initially, you'd be like, I can't believe you did that.

[Birch]

And I know the family of colors she wants. And then she's. Now she's throwing stuff in there just to complicate it, to scare me away from doing it, because she's like. I think because of the way the light comes in the. Whatever room. We should do that room. Eggshell. And I was like, I don't like that color. And she said, eggshell's not a color. It's a texture of paint. What does that mean?

[Jeff]

It means they can manipulate us in ways we never even saw coming.

[Joanna]

I don't know.

[Birch]

What is eggshell? Is that the glossy one?

[Jeff]

Don't do it. Too much to risk, man. Three major rooms that she can. Don't do it.

[Melissa]

And she specifically told you not to touch the paint till she got back.

[Birch]

But then. Okay. But she did send me an email of a kitchen and said, do you like the way this one looks?

[Joanna]

She could just pick that.

[Birch]

Yeah. And I did.

[Jeff]

Would that have been what you picked?

[Birch]

What the.

[Melissa]

What she said?

[Jeff]

Yeah. It's close.

[Birch]

I know. We're in the family. The problem is, Bert, what's the difference between thundercloud gray and field mouse gray? You can't tell.

[Melissa]

She can, but on a huge wall. But on a huge wall. Yes, you can tell.

[Birch]

No, you can't. Through the same thing.

[Melissa]

Cause that little swatch is just a little swatch, but the entire room.

[Birch]

Yeah. That's Sherwin Williams jacking with our minds.

[Jeff]

Carolyn, I've got about 30 seconds. What's up?

[Caller - Kat/Charity/Carolyn/Tracy]

My husband and I, we painted our entire house this weekend. And what we did, because we were in the same predicament, we couldn't agree on colors. So he went out and picked three. I picked my three. We commented on each other's and then I got the final decision. And we're happy. We're both happy with our decision.

[Birch]

Did you pick one of your three?

[Caller - Kat/Charity/Carolyn/Tracy]

No, actually one of his three.

[Birch]

Okay.

[Melissa]

All right.

[Caller - Kat/Charity/Carolyn/Tracy]

They were different shades. They were kind of all the same tone, but they were different shades. But it kept us from arguing because the first time we painted together, I think we were going to get divorced

[Jeff]

one day. We're going to have to take like calls from people at Home Depot because I bet the biggest fights come at that place, man. They should have, they should have a therapist like somewhere in the, in the northwest corner set up at Home Depot just so you can see them on the way. That's right here. Bird show. You're on the Bird show.

[Birch]

Four people that get paid to bull

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with each other all morning and they do.

[Jeff]

Q100 producer Joanna has a self challenge to try to get an A list celebrity that's shooting here in town on the show with us. So she was very, very close this weekend. She'll give you an update coming up in just a couple of seconds here. A reminder. Big Wicked tickets are on sale right now. Halloween is Saturday night, people.

[Joanna]

This is a week to get your hands on those tickets right now because this, this party will definitely sell out. And plus, you don't want to wait outside the gates. Like, once you get there, if you already get your tickets online, you just walk up to the front door, hand them, boom, you're in and you're having a good time. You're not waiting in that long line that forms outside of Compound. So go ahead online, figure out which friends are going with you. Get your tickets today.

[Jeff]

Compound has changed its look too. You guys are going to walk in there, going to go, this is Compound right here.

[Joanna]

Really?

[Jeff]

So we're going to do that on Saturday night. We've got 25 bartenders for you guys. We got three DJs all mixing in different rooms. It's going to be a great night. This is the place you want to be. I mean, we're giving away $5,000 in a sexy costume contest. Think of the hotties that are going to be at this place.

[Joanna]

It's going to be a great, great party.

[Jeff]

And dudes too. There are going to be a lot of guys in the contest as well. So get your tickets this week. They are available right now before this thing sells out. Q100ATLANTA.com Good morning, Tracy. You are on the Burt Show.

[Caller - Kat/Charity/Carolyn/Tracy]

Good morning. How you doing?

[Jeff]

Good how are you?

[Sheila]

Good.

[Caller - Kat/Charity/Carolyn/Tracy]

I had called in to see when the ghost hunters were going to be on and I understand I missed them already.

[Jeff]

You did. They were on at 6:45 this morning.

[Sheila]

Oh, that's early.

[Caller - Kat/Charity/Carolyn/Tracy]

Is that going to be what time they're on every morning?

[Jeff]

No, we're going to move it around. They'll be on every day with us this week and we'll move it around a little bit. I'm not exactly sure when tomorrow, but it won't be that early. It won't be 645.

[Caller - Kat/Charity/Carolyn/Tracy]

Okay, good. I'm in the car so long every day.

[Sheila]

Surely I'll catch it.

[Jeff]

The audio that they brought in today is gonna be up online later on this [e-mail] but they went to a police station in Holly Springs and they found some good stuff.

[Sheila]

Oh, good, good.

[Caller - Kat/Charity/Carolyn/Tracy]

All right, well I'll catch it later and then hopefully I'll catch it live

[Sheila]

for the rest of the week.

[Jeff]

Okay.

[Caller - Kat/Charity/Carolyn/Tracy]

All right, you guys have a good day.

[Melissa]

You too.

[Jeff]

Thank you. Bye. Bye.

[Sheila]

Okay, bye.

[Jeff]

All right, so this is producer Joanna and her own like self inflicted mission here. She's trying to build some credibility with the bird show.

[Mike]

Right.

[Joanna]

I decided to take it upon myself and I'm starting to figure, trying to question myself now and it was really

[Jeff]

like to earn Burt show, you know, like stripes. And what was the challenge?

[Joanna]

I said that I was going to get either Jamie Foxx, Josh Dumal or Katherine Heigl on the radio to do

[Jeff]

an interview because all of them right now are shooting movies in Atlanta. So that's where we started. And then Joanna was close the other day. One of you guys called in and had a great tip for her that Josh Duhamel was at cnn.

[Joanna]

I got a text message from Jeff telling me that he was filming in some part of downtown Atlanta.

[Birch]

Joanna, you're gonna have to tell him the details.

[Joanna]

Well, I drove around. I didn't know where to go.

[Jeff]

What do you mean you didn't know? Did you tell her exactly where he was?

[Birch]

Yes.

[Jeff]

Which was where?

[Birch]

The CNN Center.

[Jeff]

So you just walked right into CNN Center?

[Joanna]

I didn't. I was afraid that he wasn't. They were gonna let me in. And we were trying to figure out where to park and I didn't have any cash on me because it's like $20 parking everywhere.

[Birch]

She didn't know the CNN center was a public space?

[Joanna]

Yeah, I didn't. Yeah, I thought they were gonna like stop me and tell me, what are you doing?

[Birch]

She just, she just drove around the outside of the CNN center three times.

[Jeff]

Okay, that's your heart. That's your little heart.

[Joanna]

Listening back, I'm like, man, I sounded like an idiot.

[Jeff]

All right, so it didn't work out last week, but you thought this weekend was gonna be the weekend?

[Joanna]

Yeah, I thought. I thought I had a good feeling about this weekend. Going into the weekend, I had no leads, but I just had this feeling. And on Saturday, I went out looking for him. I went to the St. Regis and hung out in the bar area, and he didn't show up. And so who is he?

[Jeff]

Are you, like, focusing on one now?

[Joanna]

I'm focusing on Josh because he's more out and about in the Atlanta area. I've heard more people citing, you know, seeing him out.

[Jeff]

Josh Duhamel. Josh Duhamel said, the rest of us, he has a last name, but you personally.

[Joanna]

No, we have more on first name basis.

[Melissa]

So, J.D.

[Joanna]

i thought that I would be able to spot him. I got a call from a listener after the show that he was at Whole Foods. So I drove to Whole Foods in Buckhead and walked around Whole Foods. I didn't see him. So. And then Saturday night, I went out looking for him and didn't see him. So I was like, you know, it's just not going to happen for me. I'm not going to find this guy. Well, Sunday, my boyfriend's in the army, and one of his duties in the army is that when retired army person passes away, he has to do the present the flag to the widow. Well, he got called to do that on Sunday, and we don't get to spend a lot of time together. So I told him I go with him, you know. So we drove an hour and a half southeast of Atlanta to Thompson Town, whatever, Georgia. And we're doing this whole thing at the funeral, you know, he's presenting the flag. The funeral's over. I walk back to my car. I have a missed call from my friend Susan. And I call her back, and she says, I'm at Tin Lizzie's and I'm sitting next to Josh Duhamel.

[Birch]

No way. You're kidding me.

[Jeff]

No way. Which one? The one in Buckhead or the one.

[Joanna]

The one in Buckhead. And I said, I'm an hour and a half away. You have to do this for me. You have to go up to him. And she's very outgoing, so I kind of had a lot of faith in her that she would. That she would go up to him and talk to him. I said, you have to. You have to talk to him. I can't let this go by. This is like, the only chance, only opportunity I'm gonna have. So we're driving back, and I'm like, all right, Jason, we're gonna drive back. Drop me off at 10 Lizzies. I mean, he may be there, he may not.

[Birch]

Did you attend the funeral? Were you dressed like you were?

[Joanna]

Yes, I am dressed. I'm very conservative. You know, I have. Everything's covered up. And, you know, I have a dress on. I definitely don't look like I should be in a bar, you know.

So you have the black veil.

Yeah. So we.

[Melissa]

Or maybe you do look like you need to be in a bar going on God, I need a drink.

[Joanna]

So, mind you, Jason drives very slow, so I'm yelling at him the whole time. I'm like, you need to go faster. We need to make it back to Atlanta. I need to talk to this guy. I can't let this slip away. Whole time I'm texting us my friend Susan, you better make this happen. You know, my job's on the line. This has got to happen today. So I'm, you know, I'm like, keep me updated. If he leaves, you have to grab.

[Birch]

Follow him, tackle him, something, you know, slash his tires. Yeah, throw yourself in front of his cab.

[Joanna]

So I'm texting her, like, every five minutes. She's like, no, he's still here. He's still here. So I showed up at Tin Lizzie's.

[Birch]

Sweet, sweet.

[Jeff]

And 90 minutes late. He was still there.

[Joanna]

He was still there.

[Caller - Kat/Charity/Carolyn/Tracy]

Get out of here.

[Birch]

So you had facetime with Josh Duhamel yesterday?

[Joanna]

I walked in, I'm sitting. I could have spit at him. I was sitting so close to him.

[Jeff]

Well, you gotta give this a play by play here. So when you walk in the door, is he sitting right there at the bar? Cause he's a tall dude. Do you immediately see him?

[Joanna]

No. I walk in, I call my friend. Cause I'm like, I don't wanna wander around the place looking for her. And I said, where are you sitting? She's like, I'm in the back. I walk in, I don't see him immediately. And I sit down and I look at my girlfriend, and I said, where is he? She goes, right behind you. So I turn around, and we're like, nose to nose pretty much. And I'm like, oh, there he is. And I turn back around. So mind you, my back is to him. So I'm like, okay, how am I supposed to make eyes?

[Birch]

Who's he there with? Has he got Friends?

[Joanna]

Yeah, he's got, like, a whole entourage of people.

[Jeff]

A bunch of dudes, or is he.

[Joanna]

No, dudes and girls. Not sure you know who they are. Maybe just friends just hanging out.

[Jeff]

And what's he dressed in at this point?

[Joanna]

He's got a baseball cap on and just jeans and a long sleeve shirt

[Birch]

and a fresh coating of Beautiful.

[Caller - Kat/Charity/Carolyn/Tracy]

Yeah.

[Joanna]

And then that shiny wedding ring that kept getting me in the eye kept saying, fergie.

Yeah, it was talking to you.

So I was like, I have to switch seats with my friends, because if not, I'm not gonna be able to make eye contact, and that's gonna be. My only way in is to make eye contact with this guy.

[Birch]

Considering you're dressed conservatively, you can't use your boobs.

[Joanna]

I tried to pull the dress down, but it wasn't good.

[Jeff]

I'm surprised you didn't grab some scissors

[Joanna]

and just go, no one had any scissors.

[Birch]

And I was like, now, in a situation where you have to be womanly about your approach with Josh Duhamel, and, you know, it's a flirty approach, do you ask Jason to drop you off, or do you tell him to go park and come on in and join

[Jeff]

us for the fun?

[Joanna]

No, I wanted Jason to go in with me because he was in uniform, and I was like, that'll get his attention. You know, no guy's gonna be walking around in, like, you know, their uniform.

[Birch]

Remember the week of Halloween?

[Joanna]

Oh, no. And so I was like, come in with me. And he's like, no, I'm not going into a bar in my uniform. And I was like, fine, drop me off, Scatter, because I need to get this.

[Jeff]

Be off.

[Joanna]

Yes.

[Birch]

Go drive around the block till I call you again.

[Joanna]

So he went to his friend's house. So he dropped me off. And so I'm there with my two girlfriends, which I love them because the chances of them being at Tin Lizzie's on this particular day was just awesome. I was like, this is great timing. And the fact that they were tracking him and letting me know, like, every five minutes what was going on and what his moves were. So I switched seats, and I'm like, you know, I'm facing him at this point, and I'm like, okay, now I have to figure out. I can't just walk up and interrupt them watching football. I was like, I have to have a way in. I have to have a way to get him to come over here and talk to us. And my girlfriend Susan, you know, comes, buy him a shot. He'll come over and say, thank you if you buy him a shot. And I was like, that is a great idea.

[Caller - Kat/Charity/Carolyn/Tracy]

What?

[Joanna]

You're not full of great ideas, but today you're on it.

[Caller - Kat/Charity/Carolyn/Tracy]

I don't know what happened.

[Birch]

Now, the next part of this story is gonna be very interesting because I got one text message that said, if I buy Josh Duhamel a shot, will you reimburse me? And I wrote back, of course. Whatever you need. And then I think I went and got in the shower or something. Then I got out and said, okay, you need to reimburse me for six shots.

[Jeff]

Okay, Six?

[Joanna]

Yeah. I had to buy six shots. Cause I was like, okay, I can't just buy one shot for him and one shot for me, and then him come over and we do a shot together. I gotta buy the whole table a shot. So we all do a shot together.

[Jeff]

All right, so you order it. It goes to the whole. I need more play by bleed here. So you order the shot, it goes to everybody at the table.

[Joanna]

At my table.

[Jeff]

At your table.

[Joanna]

Okay, so there's five of us and

[Birch]

one and him and one more of him. And you have the server take the shot over to him.

[Joanna]

Yes, Server took the shot, brought the shots to us, brought one shot to Josh. And she said, the lady over here just bought you a shot. And he looks over, and what was her shot of? Jager bomb.

[Birch]

Ooh.

[Melissa]

Okay. Okay.

[Caller - Kat/Charity/Carolyn/Tracy]

Respectful.

[Jeff]

It wasn't like a lemon cello or something.

[Birch]

Go big or go home.

[Joanna]

And I'm hungover from the night before. I really. I didn't want to drink, but I was like, I've got to, you know, I've got to do this shot. So he gets up, he walks over.

[Melissa]

Oh, my God.

[Joanna]

And he says, cheers. And I see that he's trying to walk back, and I go, wait, I need to introduce myself. And he goes, okay. And I said, my name is Joanna Rodriguez. I'm a producer for the Burt show here in Atlanta. We're a morning show, and I really want to get you on to come and do an interview. I told my boss that I would get you on to do an interview, and if I you don't, then this is really gonna hurt my career. And he was like, oh, I've heard of this.

[Jeff]

Oh, really?

[Joanna]

Really? And I said, you have? And he goes, yeah, I heard of this. He goes, aren't you gonna win something? And I go, no, I'm just gonna keep my job. And I go, it's a recession. I was like, I've gotta do anything I can. And he Was like, yeah, sure, I'll come on and do an interview.

And I go, really?

And he goes, yeah, I'll come on. So I'm like, let me get the phone number. And I can't find the phone number. I'm fumbling through. No, I'm fumbling through my phone. I'm shaking. I have never been so nervous.

[Birch]

Is he cool? Is he talking to you while you're looking for the number?

[Joanna]

He's being so nice. And then my girlfriend was being so like, I'm a nervous wreck. So she was there, like filling him in on the details. Birch Show, 6 to 10am Monday through Friday. And I'm like, thank you. Because I didn't tell him all that. And as I'm looking for the phone number, I grab a pen, I write it down on a piece and I hand it to him and I said, thank you so much. And then we take the shot and he goes back and sits down.

[Jeff]

All right, so you gave him your number or you gave him the station number?

[Joanna]

I gave him the station number.

[Jeff]

You got the celebrity, the celebrity line?

[Joanna]

Yes.

[Jeff]

Okay.

[Melissa]

All right, John, you are close, girl.

[Jeff]

You are close.

[Joanna]

Then as he went back, one of the guys I heard him go, I told you about her. I told you about her.

[Birch]

Oh, sweet.

[Joanna]

So I guess he's heard. He's heard about my challenge and everything.

[Jeff]

So he knew it was coming and he was totally cool about it. And he's got the number in his hands.

[Joanna]

Yep.

[Melissa]

Good job, Joanne.

[Jeff]

Very good job.

[Joanna]

Good job. And he said goodbye to me as I was walking away. He said bye, didn't.

[Birch]

At some point he indicated it would be this week.

[Joanna]

He goes, this week? And I said, yes, this week, please.

Ok, now everybody in this room doesn't care, but all the women listening want to know the one question that you haven't answered yet. How hot is he?

He is so hot. He really is. He's such a good looking guy.

[Caller - Kat/Charity/Carolyn/Tracy]

Really.

[Joanna]

He really is. Yeah.

[Jeff]

He's just one of those guys that would take a movie role to be ugly because he's so good looking and couldn't pull it off because he's that good looking.

[Birch]

It's like when Brad Pitt tried to do that movie where he'd have the big scraggly beard and everything. People are like, oh my God, look how hot and ugly he is.

[Caller - Kat/Charity/Carolyn/Tracy]

I just can't.

[Joanna]

I can't even tell you how like, nervous. I mean, my sweat glands were in overdrive. I can't believe I was right. I was shaky. I've never been that you're doing great.

[Jeff]

You're so close.

[Caller - Kat/Charity/Carolyn/Tracy]

Great job. Good job.

[Birch]

Very good job.

[Jeff]

Good job.

[Birch]

Smart, solid, well played here.

[Jeff]

Birch Show. It's the Birch Show. All right. So Sheila called us on Friday and said that one of her employees really sort of misrepresented herself in the interview.

[Joanna]

Yeah.

[Melissa]

An employee came in, had an engagement ring on. So Sheila assumed she was engaged, and so she hired her based on her qualifications. She's been a good employee for a couple weeks. And then she noticed that the engagement ring wasn't on anymore. So when she asked her about it, she said, oh, you know what? I got to be quite honest. I saw somewhere where married or engaged women had more of a shot of getting a job. So the employee actually confessed to the fact that she had never been engaged, that she had faked it just to get the job, and now she looks like. You know what? I don't like that misrepresentation. Plus, my husband works in the office, and we don't have any single women here around him, so I think I want to let her go.

[Jeff]

And she trusts her husband. She just doesn't trust other women. And we debated this last Friday. Is she being insecure? She says no, but the bottom line is she doesn't want single women in the office. Hey, Sheila.

[Mike]

Hey, how are you?

[Jeff]

Whoa, hold on a second. Hold on. The voice sounds a little.

[Melissa]

Made you sound like Beelzebub.

[Birch]

Go ahead.

[Jeff]

Are you there?

[Sheila]

I'm here.

[Jeff]

Okay. That's much, much better.

[Birch]

Yes.

[Sheila]

What? Did I sound scary?

[Jeff]

Yeah. Voice disguiser was just adjusted a little too deep for you.

[Birch]

You were opening up the portal to hell.

[Jeff]

Okay, so Friday, you leave the show here, and you still sounded very strong in your belief going into the office, very passionate. This woman had to go.

[Sheila]

Yes, I was.

[Melissa]

Okay.

[Sheila]

And what happened? I let her go.

[Melissa]

You did let her go?

[Sheila]

Yes.

[Melissa]

On what grounds?

[Sheila]

On the grounds that she misrepresented herself in the interview, and that was enough for me to find her untrustworthy as an employee.

[Jeff]

I wonder if that right there, because you admitted the reason why you were letting her go is gonna be grounds for a lawsuit, because if she gets a really good lawyer, can't she say, I never said one way or the other?

[Sheila]

Well, I spoke to a lawyer friend of mine, and they thought that just the fact that she misrepresented herself in the interview was grounds for me, that it wouldn't be a problem. And.

[Birch]

But that's such a. Like, she didn't misrepresent herself. You can wear a ring, and you're Left ring finger for any one of a million reasons.

[Joanna]

Her problem was telling you why she refers to it.

[Jeff]

Well, then it's in court. At least it's gonna be he said, she said type deal. So I don't know that she. I don't know who's got the stronger.

[Joanna]

Did you talk to your husband before you made the decision?

[Sheila]

I did.

[Joanna]

And what did he say?

[Sheila]

Well, he wasn't. He was sort of in the middle of the road about the whole thing. He was like, you know, if that's what you feel. And I do, you know, I don't care for the fact that she lied in her interview. He wasn't too worked up about it. I mean, she was an adequate employee, but.

[Caller - Kat/Charity/Carolyn/Tracy]

And these.

[Sheila]

These days, I mean, it won't be difficult to replace her. So

[Jeff]

you did say. You did tell us on Friday you thought she was attractive, right?

[Sheila]

Yeah, she's attractive.

[Birch]

Not as attractive as you.

[Joanna]

What was her response in the. In that meeting?

[Sheila]

What?

[Joanna]

What was her response to you in that meeting?

[Sheila]

Well, she said, obviously she was irritated, you know, and she said, well, I guess then I should have told you that we broke off our engagement instead of telling you the truth. And I said, well, I appreciate you telling me the truth, but it would have been nice if you had done that about two weeks earlier and just interviewed on your own merits.

[Joanna]

Did she question your trust issues with your husband?

[Sheila]

No, she did not. It wasn't. It wasn't about that. It was about the fact that she lied in her interview.

[Jeff]

Come on.

[Sheila]

What?

[Jeff]

I don't think you're being real with yourself here.

[Melissa]

Well, we had this debate last week, and, I mean, she did what?

[Birch]

We knew what she was gonna do.

[Melissa]

You're telling us about the fact that you don't care or didn't think about single women in the office with your husband is the same as her telling you about the engagement ring. I mean, you confessed the real reason on Friday you confessed us. The reason that you were uncomfortable is because you're like, you know what? I never thought about it before because we have married women and lesbians in the office, but this is the first time a single woman be in the office with my husband, and I just don't think it's appropriate.

[Sheila]

Yeah, I did say that, and I do think that, you know, but that wasn't the main reason. That was, you know, maybe 25% of my decision. I really. No, I really. I'm. Well, I can't convince you. I feel secure in my marriage, and I do feel like it's not the best idea to have single women who lie around my husband. Yes, that's true, but the main reason was because I don't feel that she's trustworthy. Someone who misrepresents themselves in an interview, I think it's like lying on your resume, and I just find that unacceptable.

[Jeff]

Here's Mike, who thinks you're doing more harm than doing good with your husband. Hey, Mike.

[Mike]

Hey. How you doing?

[Jeff]

Good, man. How are you doing?

[Mike]

Pretty good. I think that she's gonna run him away and she's gonna be without employment or a husband if she keeps on pushing the point of business from. It's just wrong to not hire somebody because they're wearing a wedding ring.

[Jeff]

Yeah. I'm really, really interested to know, like, how the conversation went with your husband beforehand. Did you say to him, look, she lied to us, so she's not trustworthy? Or did at any point at all, did you say, look, you know what? I just don't like single women around the office.

[Sheila]

I'd say that I didn't feel comfortable with a single woman in the office. A single woman who lied. That's what I said. I don't have. I don't know that I would necessarily have a problem with any single woman, but that the combination of the two, what put me over the edge.

[Joanna]

I mean, Bert, how would that make you feel if your wife said that to you?

[Jeff]

It would insult me.

[Joanna]

I mean, that's what I was thinking. Like, your husband has to be affected by it in some way.

[Jeff]

But if I've never bought this whole I trust you, I just don't trust other women thing, I've never. I thought that's just a cop out.

[Birch]

But if that's the way the relationship has been since day one, it's used to it. Yeah. He's like, you know, any spouse, it's a harsh term, but can be brainwashed into believing that's the way the world is.

[Jeff]

If that's your world.

[Birch]

If that's your world. So, I mean, if she's telling him,

[Sheila]

I think that's a bit strong. Brainwashed.

[Jeff]

I mean, it's what works for you. I mean, how long. How long have you been married?

[Sheila]

How long have I been married? Nine years.

[Jeff]

Okay, so it's working for you. And that's the definition of your relationship.

[Joanna]

Does your husband have to sit to pee?

[Jeff]

Yeah.

[Melissa]

Is it any different than when you hire a nanny in the house? You know, like, the whole idea of, I'm gonna protect my marriage by not hiring, you know, a young, attractive female to Come in and watch our children. I mean, is it any different?

[Jeff]

That's a good point because I think that if I had my wife on the phone now, she would look at it two different ways. That if it was in business, I don't think she'd have any beef at all with me hanging out with a whole bunch of single women. But a single woman that's attractive in our home all the time, I think she'd have a problem with that because

[Melissa]

it's a hiring decision. And you're hiring, you're being prejudiced based on looks and, you know, relationship status. So I just wondered what the difference was.

[Jeff]

Hey, Michelle, good morning. You're on Q100. It's a good point.

[Caller - Kat/Charity/Carolyn/Tracy]

Good morning, guys. I just wanted to know what she would do if one of the women in her office gets a divorce. Because not only is that person then single, but they're also an emotional, clingy wreck. So then what? Is she going to fire them because

[Sheila]

they got a divorce? Okay, here's the point with this is. Yes, I mean, obviously that would be a terrible thing if that happened to one of our friends. But this is. These are people that we've known a long time. These are not people who came in under the auspices of one thing and then said something else. These are women who have been trustworthy and hard working. It's just a different situation. I don't think you can apply this to that situation.

[Joanna]

I'm curious from the Burchill community if anybody in the legal profession would think that this former employee now had any sort of case.

[Jeff]

Let's ask here. Lisa may be able to answer that. Hey, Lisa, here you have Sheila who fired somebody on Friday who she feels misrepresented herself in the interview, saying that she, she was, she didn't say she was single or married. She just had the engagement ring on. And then they found out later that she was indeed single and now Sheila fired her. Does she have a legal case?

[Caller - Kat/Charity/Carolyn/Tracy]

Yes, definitely. Because Georgia is an at will employee state, so it's protected just like race, ethnic background and so forth. So yes, the employee totally has a case. But on the same side, Sheila didn't have to give her a reason why. She could have just simply said, this is not working out. I'm sorry, here's your last check and on your way.

[Jeff]

Yeah, my first impression was that's really where you made your mistake. There is when you were honest with her in how you why you were letting her go. Now she's got a case you could have made up A million different other things.

[Sheila]

So are you telling me I could have lied the way she lied to me?

[Caller - Kat/Charity/Carolyn/Tracy]

Yeah.

[Jeff]

The irony is she didn't lie to you.

[Birch]

She told you the truth. Yes, she did. When you asked her about being married. The problem is with this whole.

[Caller - Kat/Charity/Carolyn/Tracy]

You assumed she was married with this whole situation.

[Sheila]

He told me that. She told me. It's not like I figured it out for myself.

[Birch]

The.

[Sheila]

Oh, I hear that single. I hear that married and engaged women have a better chance at getting a job. So I put that ring on.

[Jeff]

Had you lied, then you probably wouldn't have opened yourself up to a lawsuit.

[Birch]

Well, that's the thing. Is every problem related to this outcome,

[Sheila]

then that's the outcome. But I will not. I'm not going to misrepresent myself as a knee jerk reaction to her. That's not. If I'm. I would be under the same. I would be judging myself on the same grounds. Then, oh, I'm gonna lie back.

[Birch]

Because every problem related in this whole scenario has to do with honesty. Like, the girl was honest with her. Yep. I'm not really engaged. And that's. That caused a problem. And now there's a problem in how she was fired because she was honest, which I think. What are we seeing here? Start lying, people.

[Jeff]

So, Lisa, if you were. If you were her counsel right now, what would you say?

[Caller - Kat/Charity/Carolyn/Tracy]

I would tell her she needs to sew her because that is not a grounds for letting somebody go.

[Jeff]

So you would not at all at

[Caller - Kat/Charity/Carolyn/Tracy]

Georgia is at will. You can let someone go. You can quit without a two weeks notice. You could quit. I could go into work this morning and walk out and say I'm done.

[Mike]

That's it.

[Caller - Kat/Charity/Carolyn/Tracy]

You don't have to give a reason either on either side.

[Jeff]

But the fact that Sheila here gave the real reason opens her up to the lawsuit.

[Caller - Kat/Charity/Carolyn/Tracy]

Oh, definitely. Definitely. If she. If that employee smart, she'd go see a lawyer first thing this morning.

[Jeff]

Okay. Thank you for calling.

[Joanna]

I wonder if the Birch show tapes would be subpoenaed.

[Jeff]

Oh, could be.

[Birch]

That'd be neat.

[Sheila]

What? What?

[Jeff]

Yeah, you never know. Like, in a couple of weeks we may get. Have a lawyer give us a call and say, look, they need, you know, the audio of the last couple of times that we've talked to you, and they're gonna use it in court. Seriously?

[Sheila]

Fine, they can have it.

[Birch]

Seriously, they can have it.

[Jeff]

All right, Sheila, thank you for your honesty with us.

[Sheila]

Thanks, guys. I appreciate it.

[Jeff]

So now how do you handle the next interview? If somebody comes in with an engagement ring on or a wedding ring. Legally, I don't think you're allowed to ask.

[Sheila]

That's a good question. I actually have. Haven't thought that far ahead.

[Jeff]

Yeah, you may want to ask a lawyer before you get into that next situation. Thank you.

[Mike]

Thanks.

[Jeff]

Bye. Bye. It may be true. We may get a lawyer giving us a call here in a couple of weeks saying we need you guys help with something and we'll know exactly what it's about. Dear Bertram.