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Mrs. Claus's Younger Sister
Guys, thanks for helping me carry my Christmas tree.
Drew Ski
Zoey, this thing weighs a ton.
Radio Host
Drew Ski, lift with your legs, man.
Avril Lavigne
Santa.
Santa
Santa, did you get my letter?
Drew Ski
He's talking to you britches. I'm not.
Mrs. Claus's Younger Sister
Of course he did.
Radio Host
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Radio Host
The Birch show how you doing Avril?
Avril Lavigne
Good.
Radio Host
What's going on?
Avril Lavigne
Not much. We just woke up.
Radio Host
Is that how the day pretty much rolls for you guys now? Wake up, get to a radio station, play in front of a mall, then go home.
Avril Lavigne
Usually we don't have to get up this early.
Evan
We're still sleeping.
Radio Host
Yeah.
Avril Lavigne
But, yeah, we usually get up and do a bunch of radio stations and we play the new single, Don't Tell Me acoustically and do a bunch of interviews and then go to the mall and then go to the next city and do it again.
Radio Host
Are there some days where you wake up and you have no idea what city you're in?
Avril Lavigne
Yeah. Yeah, all the time.
Radio Host
Yeah.
Avril Lavigne
Yeah.
Evan
But I really like it here in Cleveland. It's great.
Radio Host
Who's this?
Evan
This is Evan. Yeah.
Radio Host
How you doing, Evan?
Evan
I'm good.
Radio Host
Good. Thanks for coming in, man. You tired also?
Evan
Oh, never been better.
Interviewer
Now, how long have you guys been playing together?
Avril Lavigne
How long? Two and a half years or three years.
Evan
Yeah, right after she finished her first record.
Interviewer
So the rest of the band gets to stay home and sleep in and chill out. But you're the one recruited to go work really hard.
Evan
Yeah, but I love it.
Radio Host
I love it.
Knox
It.
Radio Host
I was telling these guys earlier this morning that even starting at 6:00', clock, I mean, you're only, like, what, 19 years old?
Avril Lavigne
Yeah.
Radio Host
And I was, like, intimidated, you coming into the studio this morning, because, like, you never know what's right and what's wrong on the Internet. But we're getting, like, all sorts of, like, different reports of you, like, being in interviews and snapping and pulling posters off the walls. I've never done that. Totally. Like, I just got a report this morning, seriously, that you were in Boston last week and somebody asked you about that Hilary Duff thing, and you got off on Hilary Duff, and then you pull down a poster of yourself in the studio and started screaming how much you hate it.
Avril Lavigne
Wow. See how people can really manipulate a situation?
Evan
Oh, my God, that's so lovely. Those are two different things.
Radio Host
Okay, can I ask you about each one of them individually?
Avril Lavigne
Well, actually, I went to a radio station. They had this horrible photo up of me, and I'm like, oh, don't have that up there. And he's like, tear it down. Rip it up. And I'm like, okay. So I did, but it wasn't like I was throwing a temper tantrum.
Interviewer
You weren't in some fit of rage?
Santa
He told me to.
Avril Lavigne
So then he tries to make me sound like I had a fit or something. Okay, whatever. See what people do.
Radio Host
Okay, so he asked you to tear it down, and then by the time it gets to.
Evan
Jeez.
Radio Host
And then by the time it gets to us is you had a raging, like, bitch fit and tore it down.
Avril Lavigne
Yeah, I'm psycho.
Radio Host
And the Hillary.
Avril Lavigne
I love how people just Try to make you, like, sound, like, one way or another, like, so annoying. But anyway, yeah, he told me. He's like, rip it down. So I did, because it was really ugly picture, and, you know, I don't want people staring at it. Sure.
Knox
Okay.
Radio Host
And he asked you to do it?
Avril Lavigne
Yeah, and that's probably why he asked me to do it, so that he could talk about it like that. Anyway, Hilary Death. I'm over it.
Radio Host
Yeah, the rumor has been. I never heard the interview, but again, you can only. I mean, you really gotta take what you read on the Internet with a grain of salt. But the rumor is that at one point or another, Hilary Duff says something like, you need to appreciate your fans more. After you complained that they were dressing the way you did.
Avril Lavigne
There was an. Like a. There was a quote that I didn't even say. And it was something like, I didn't like people dressing like me. And I didn't even say that. And they asked her opinion on it. She said that. And then I said, she needs to shut her mouth. Cause she's a giddy giddy and a mommy's girl, and it's not her place to talk about me or I'll have to shut her mouth for her.
Radio Host
Oh, yeah.
Avril Lavigne
She wants to start saying stuff about me, I'm gonna start saying stuff about her.
Radio Host
Okay, so, you know, Avril was not misquoted.
Interviewer
Right now, have you guys ever hung out with each other? Even been at the same shows or concerts? Have you ever even met Hilary Duff?
Avril Lavigne
No.
Interviewer
That blows me away, because we hear a lot about, like, rock stars and, you know, in her case, pop star, that they get into these disputes, you know, like, there was all this stuff with, like, Kelly Osbourne and, like, you know, Christina Aguilera. And I just wonder, is it all fabricated?
Avril Lavigne
Like, what stuff with Kelly and Christina getting in that fight? Is that what you're talking about? Yeah, that's true, because Kelly told me about that. That's true.
Interviewer
That is true. But it seems like, you know, it just seems like it's a little bit fabricated so that there's, like, you know, buzz or talk about you guys. Based on these two examples, do you get to the point where you read about the stuff people write about you, or do you just not pay attention to it?
Avril Lavigne
No, I never read it. I mean, sometimes, like. Like, especially you never, ever go on the Internet and look, see what people are saying. And I've heard before bringing up the whole, like, having a fit or whatever. I've heard before that some guy said he was Doing an interview with me, and I spit on him, and I walked out. I was like, I never did that.
Radio Host
Oh, no, no, no. That's the one. I've already put that up on the Internet.
Avril Lavigne
Oh, that was you.
Radio Host
I predicted you were gonna spit on me before the end of the. That means before you le. Spit on birds. That's right. And storm out of here. As you leave, it would be an honor to be spat on by you. Are you finding it, like. I mean, because stories like this we just heard about the manipulation that happened in Boston. Does it really make you kind of distrust?
Avril Lavigne
Oh, totally. That's why a lot of times in interviews, I'm very like, I hold myself back because you. You want to watch what you say, because people can take what you say and make it sound like you meant it in a completely different way than you did. And also, you don't. I don't like giving people too much information sometimes because. I don't know. I don't know. You just have to be careful. I mean, I've shared so much of myself with the world, and it's like, after a certain point, you don't want to talk about certain things.
Radio Host
Here's kind of how I feel about it, too, because we have kind of an open show, and I kind of feel like if I tell you guys about the ugly parts of my personality, you're not allowed to rip on me for it. And I kind of feel like when I. When I expose those ugly sides and I get all these ugly emails from people going, I can't believe that you said that. That you didn't really, like, love your kid for the first couple of weeks he was born. I feel like if I say that, you're not allowed to rip on me for it.
Evan
Sure.
Radio Host
You kind of feel the same way.
Evan
Something really bad. Like, I can't think of anything right.
Radio Host
Now, but has she ever said something in an interview where you're just like, oh, God, I wish she hadn't said that. This is gonna turn out ugly?
Avril Lavigne
Probably a couple times.
Evan
Nothing really bad, though. Just every once in a while, you know, if an interviewer pushes her, you know what I mean?
Knox
Yeah.
Avril Lavigne
Sometimes they.
Radio Host
She'll give it back, corner you.
Evan
Right.
Avril Lavigne
And then you're just like, fine, I'll.
Radio Host
Give you what you want. Finally. When was the. The first time that you kind of felt like that media distrust?
Avril Lavigne
Well, when I first came out, I was like, britney Spears dresses like a showgirl. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I think this and this and this. And then it was in Every. It was in like, it was everywhere.
Evan
The anti Britney.
Avril Lavigne
And then I was like from the beginning on, from there on I was like the anti Britney. So.
Radio Host
Because didn't they.
Avril Lavigne
I learned that one right away.
Radio Host
Didn't they call you that in the beginning? Like you were the anti Britney?
Avril Lavigne
Yeah, because, I mean, someone asked me what I thought about her and I just like, like said I wasn't holding back. I was like, I think she dresses like a. And blah, blah, blah, blah.
Evan
Right.
Avril Lavigne
I didn't know that. Like you kind of got to watch what you say.
T-Mobile Announcer
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Avril Lavigne
I was like 17 and I. It was one of my first interviews and it was everywhere and my parents were like, why did you say that? Because I cursed in it. So.
Radio Host
Avril Lavigne on all the hits. Q100.
Interviewer
Hey Avril, I have heard and read different things about you working with a local Atlanta guy on this latest album, Butch Walker. Yeah, tell us about that experience.
Avril Lavigne
Butch is awesome. He's really good friends with mine and Evans actually.
Evan
He's the man.
Avril Lavigne
And Evan and I wrote this song, don't tell me like a couple years ago before Complicated was even out and I don't know, but she was on my label and we worked with the same A and R guy and so we had him produce it and he did an awesome job. He's like an amazing producer. He can really take like a song and just like really build it really well and stuff. And then. And then just recently, a few months ago when I was finishing up my record, I was like, God, I should probably. I call Butch up and like work with him again. I just loved working with them and we wrote some songs together and he produced them. And I think my second single is probably going to be called My Happy Ending and that's a song that Butch and I wrote together and he produced. He's awesome.
Interviewer
Did you guys work together here in Atlanta or was it in L. A?
Avril Lavigne
No, in LA and in New York.
Radio Host
Sticking with the writing of the songs thing, do you write more songs on this album than you did the last one?
Avril Lavigne
Well, I co wrote on every song. Last album, this album I had a co writer with me for every song as well.
Radio Host
Again, I gotta go back to the Internet. And now you got me all sketched out about what's real and what's not. The rumor is that you didn't let the record company hear any of the songs before you hit the studio.
Avril Lavigne
I don't think that's a bad thing. I think, you know, when it came Time for me to start working on the second record. I was, I was just like, okay, I don't want people making a big deal of this. I don't want to feel any pressure. So I said to my manager, I was just like, I want to go and write my songs and record them and I don't want to be like finishing songs and giving them to the label right away. So I decided to just like write my songs and recorded them and then when they were like pretty much done, then I like, I gave a good chunk of a pile of songs to them to listen to.
Radio Host
Would you say, in looking back, looking back both years, you know, when you were 17, were you a little naive to some of the outside stuff that would go along with the music industry? I remember talking to you last time and you said that, you know, I'm just not so hip on doing these interviews yet. And like, has that turned around for you a little bit? Or you can tell us you were honest last time. You said you hate doing these things.
Avril Lavigne
I have a better understanding now as to why I have to do them all the time. And I really, you know, want my music out there. So, I mean, interviews and stuff like that are important and photo shoots because you get to talk about your music and promote it and like, hopefully, you know, you know, get fans and stuff and people like your music. So I mean, I'm a little better attitude towards it now as I'm, as.
Radio Host
I'm watching you talk about it though it's pretty evident to tell that you would just rather just do the music, go in the studio, do it and then just leave me alone.
Avril Lavigne
I mean, yeah, I thought, I guess I just thought it would kind of be like, oh, writing songs and recording them and then going on stage and performing and being in a tour bus. But there's so much more like, yeah, your days are full. Like I'm just always looking. I'm not complaining. I mean, it's great. I mean this, you know, it's all good and stuff. And I mean, it's work and everyone has to, you know, work, so.
Radio Host
But it's so much more than just doing music and getting on stage and stuff like that.
Avril Lavigne
Like my whole day consists of interviews and owners and, and stuff before our six song set. @ the end of the day, we're.
Evan
On stage for 20 minutes and doing other stuff the.
Radio Host
Rest. Do you kind of feel like the music gets lost sometimes because you're out promoting it so much and you're not doing really what you would love to.
Avril Lavigne
Do? Well, I sometimes. I know. I mean, during the day, I'm kind of like, oh, this is long, and stuff. But then at the end of the day, when we finally get to perform, I'm like, hey, it was totally worth it. I mean, that's. How come, like, there's so many people, you know, that show up to the show is because, you know, we're on air, we're promoting it, the radio stations are helping out. And so, I mean, it's. You work to get what you want and that, you know, do all this so that we can be up on stage in front of a bunch of people and so that they've heard about.
Radio Host
Us. Is that where you're most comfortable on stage, or are you more comfortable in a studio? Are you comfortable in a room writing.
Avril Lavigne
Songs? I'm pretty comfortable with all.
Radio Host
That. The name of the new CD is Under My Skin.
Avril Lavigne
Correct?
Radio Host
Yes. You guys gonna give us a sample of something that's on.
Avril Lavigne
That?
Radio Host
Yes. Let's hear it. This is Avril Lavigne on all the hits.
Santa
Q1. You held my hand and walked me home. I know why you gave me that kiss. It was something like this it made me go oh, oh. You wiped my tears, got rid of all my fears. Why did you have to go? Guess it wasn't enough to take up some of my love. Guys, they're so hard to trust. Well, did I not tell you that I'm not like that girl? The one who gives it all away? Did you think that I was gonna give it up to you this time? Did you think that it was something gonna do and cry? Don't try to tell me what to do and don't try to tell me what to say. You're better off that away. Don't think that you're charming. The fact that your arm is now around my neck will get you in my pants. I'll have to kick your and make you never forget. I'm gonna ask you to stop. I thought I liked you a lot but I'm really upset. I'm really upset. So get out of my head and get off of my bed. Yeah, that's what I said. Well, did I not tell you that I'm not like that girl? The one who throws it all away? Did you think that I was gonna give it up to you this time? Did you think that it was something I was gonna do and cry? Ay, ay. Don't try to tell me what to do and don't try to tell me what to say. You're better off and this skill trip that you put me on? Won't mess me up? I've done no wrong? Any thoughts of you and me have gone away? Did you think that I was gonna give it up to you this time? Did you think that it was something I was gonna do and.
Avril Lavigne
Cry? Ay.
Santa
Ay? Don't try to tell me what to do? And don't try to tell me what to say? You're better off that way? Better off that way? I'm better off alone.
Radio Host
Anyway. Awesome. Avril lavigne. I am a pretty good judge of talent, and I think that with your voice, I really think that you could win the next American idol competition. Avril, thanks a lot for coming.
Avril Lavigne
In. Thank.
Radio Host
You. Sure do appreciate it. The birch.
Mrs. Claus's Younger Sister
Show Guys, thanks for helping me carry my Christmas.
Drew Ski
Tree. Zoe. This thing weighs a.
Radio Host
Ton. Drewy, live with your legs.
Avril Lavigne
Man.
Santa
Santa. Santa, did you get my.
Drew Ski
Letter? He's talking to you, bridges. I'm.
Mrs. Claus's Younger Sister
Not. Of course he.
Radio Host
Did. Right, Santa, you know my elf.
Drew Ski
Drew here, he handles the nice list and elf, I'm 63. What everyone wants is iPhone 17 and at T mobile. You can get it on them. That center stage front camera is amazing for group selfies. Right, Mrs.
Mrs. Claus's Younger Sister
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Mrs. Claus's Younger Sister
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Drew Ski
Minutes. Nice. My side of the tree is.
Evan
Slipping.
Radio Host
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Podcast by Pionaire Podcasting
Episode Date: December 15, 2025
In this lively Vault episode, The Bert Show welcomes pop-punk superstar Avril Lavigne and her guitarist Evan for a candid, engaging conversation. The team dives into Avril’s experiences on tour, the realities of fame and media rumors, working with producer Butch Walker, songwriting, and the daily grind of the music industry—all with the show’s trademark humor, authenticity, and warmth.
Timestamp: 13:46–17:09
Youthful, humorous, and candid—with moments of both vulnerability and defiant strength. Avril and Evan exude a down-to-earth vibe, balancing career gripes and gratitude; the hosts keep the mood light while prompting thoughtful responses.
This episode is a snapshot of Avril Lavigne at the height of her early-2000s fame, giving both fans and newcomers a front-row seat to the unfiltered reality behind the headlines.