Vault: Bert was asked to be on a TV show

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Bert Show

Episode: Vault: Bert was asked to be on a TV show
Date: May 27, 2026
Host & Cast: Bert, Kristin, Abby, Cassie, Tommy & the Bert Show Cast

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Bert reveals he was approached by a creator behind “The Real Housewives” franchise with an offer to join a new reality TV show, “Boys Club ATL.” The cast discusses the pros and cons of reality TV fame, privacy risks, family implications, and the authenticity of so-called “reality” television. The debate is lively and insightful, featuring input from listeners and a call-in from a former reality TV contestant.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Bert’s Initial Reaction to the Offer

• [01:30] Bert shares he received a call from a Real Housewives franchise creator to join a show called "Boys Club ATL," pitching it as a male counterpart focused on Atlanta.
• [02:14] Bert questions the approach: “I don’t want to do it...I’d rather run away from conflict than get in on it, you know, and if it’s in front of a camera, especially display it.”
• The producer claims it won’t be drama-heavy but more about “lifestyle”; Bert is skeptical yet intrigued by the unique “male ensemble” concept.

Nature of the Show and Who's Involved

• [03:39] Bert names some potential cast members: “One that’s being considered is my friend Justin. The other is my friend Dolvett … Kenny Burns?”
• Immediate concerns about reputational risks arise: “The people that this show has approached already have reputations in town ... So we have stuff to lose.” (Bert, [05:19])

Weighing Pros and Cons

• Bert’s wife Stacy surprises him by seeing potential upsides: publicity for the show, his charity (Bert’s Big Adventure), and exposure for their son Hayden, who wants to act ([04:26], [04:54]).
• Concerns: editing risks, being cast as the “bad guy,” and effects on real friendships and family.
• Panelist: “There has to be a bad guy in it … what character are you on the show?” ([05:06], [09:11])
• Bert: “I don’t have a ton of great friends … those are valuable relationships to me. Then there’s the wife angle … imagine that being on national television.” ([07:40], [08:03])

Reality TV Is Not (Really) Reality

• The team notes “reality” is created in the edit: “It’s all created. There has to be start, end, conflict in the middle, resolution, reveal … scenarios are given.” ([06:39])
• Example: Producers may manipulate cast members to generate drama (“Producers are gonna feed both of you stuff to make you hate each other … that’s what creates great television.” [06:39])

Listener Calls & Outside Perspectives

• [11:00] Caller references "Husbands of Hollywood" for a more family-oriented take, reassuring Bert male-centered reality TV “really doesn’t portray the guys … as evil guys ... just guys hanging out, playing pool, talking about family and life situations.”
• [13:13] Another caller (“Jenna”) draws comparisons to “John and Kate Plus 8,” warning fame brings privacy loss and paparazzi.
• [15:22] A former “Bachelor” contestant urges: “Don’t do it.” She shares:
  • “You have no control over how they edit it at all.” ([15:33])
  • “You will most likely sign a contract saying no, you can’t [explain behind-the-scenes].” ([15:39])
  • “They do pit you against people ... they will tell you so and so said this and they didn’t.” ([16:03])
• Panelists debate whether Bert could really use his radio show as a platform to “set the record straight” after episodes ([07:34], [17:07]).

Key Risks and Dealbreakers

• Editing could paint Bert in a negative or controversial light, with legal restrictions on public clarification.
• The effect on children and personal relationships is a grave concern: “I’m more nervous about the camera time in the house than anything else. Like exposing the kids all the time to that … a deal breaker.” (Bert, [09:45])
• The participation contract likely restricts talking about “what really happened” until after the show airs ([15:39]).

The Decision Hangs in the Balance

• Bert feels “really, really 50/50” – pulled between opportunity and risk.
• The cast anticipates a split response from fans and listeners.
• The show will invite the producer on air to pitch the idea directly, with Bert’s wife Stacy joining to ask tough questions ([04:21], [13:25]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Bert:

  • “I don’t want to do it. There’s no way. That’s…not my life.” ([02:20])
  • “We have stuff to lose … Whereas Real Housewives had everything to gain.” ([05:19])
  • “I just don’t really think my life is all that interesting … I’m no Kim Zolciak.” ([06:23])
  • “I don’t have a ton of great friends … those are valuable relationships to me.” ([07:40])
  • “Imagine that being on national television.” ([08:03])
  • “I’m more nervous about the camera time in the house than anything else … That to me is like a deal breaker, you know?” ([09:45])
  • “There’s a lot of things to consider.” ([17:37])

• Reality TV Former Contestant:

  • “Don’t do it.” ([15:19])
  • “You have no control over how they edit it at all.” ([15:33])
  • “You will most likely sign a contract saying no, you can't [talk about it].” ([15:39])
  • “They do pit you against people … then you guys … will get in a fight in front of the cameras about something that really was concocted by the producers.” ([16:03])

• Panelist:

  • “There has to be a bad guy in it.” ([05:06])
  • “Their job is to create great TV.” ([06:39])
  • “The most normal ones aren’t on the show anymore.” ([06:17])

• Caller Jenna:

  • “If you ever visit was an episode where she was out just trying to go to a party city to shop for the kids' birthday. And there's paparazzi in the parking lot ... so there’s, you know, pros and cons of it, but paparazzi could end up being posted outside your house, outside your kids, schools.” ([14:13])

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Important Timestamps

• [01:30] — Bert introduces the TV show offer
• [02:53] — “It’s gonna be way different than Real Housewives of Atlanta”
• [03:39] — Potential cast and reputational stakes
• [04:21] — Plan to air the producer’s pitch live
• [05:19–06:00] — “We have stuff to lose” discussion
• [06:39] — How reality TV is producer-driven
• [08:03–08:52] — Privacy and family tension aired on TV
• [09:45] — Concerns about exposing his children
• [11:00–11:51] — Listener describes “Husbands of Hollywood” and family angles
• [13:13–14:54] — “John and Kate Plus 8” comparison; fame/press consequences
• [15:22–16:25] — Reality contestant’s warning about editing and contracts
• [17:37–18:16] — Bert summarizes, awaiting the creator’s pitch

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Conclusion

The episode offers a transparent, sometimes humorous but deeply honest exploration of the double-edged sword of reality TV fame through Bert’s personal dilemma. The cast weighs the unique risks faced by established personalities, exposes how reality TV is manufactured behind the scenes, and contemplates the impact on family, career, and self-image. The conversation sets up anticipation for a live on-air pitch from the showrunner, promising even more insight into the realities of so-called “reality” TV.

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Transcript

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[Bert (Radio Host)]

Dear Bird show all right, I might be. I might be the person emailing. I got a very interesting call over the weekend that I want to share with you guys, and I don't have as much information as I should because I stopped her in her pitch and I want her to make it to me officially on the air on Wednesday while Stacy's on the phone.

[Co-host/Radio Panelist]

Okay.

[Bert (Radio Host)]

I got a call yesterday from one of the creators of the Real Housewives franchises. They've done Orange county and they've done Real Housewives of Atlanta and they are starting a new show called Boys Club ATL and she wants me to be in it.

[Radio Panelist/Commentator]

What is it about?

[Bert (Radio Host)]

It's a very good question.

[Co-host/Radio Panelist]

Okay, well, can we do it today?

[Bert (Radio Host)]

Well, as soon as she Said she was one of the creators of Real Housewives of Atlanta that has a brand, you know, pulling hair, getting in fights, creating controversy. So one of my first questions to her also was that certainly that's just. I don't want to do it. There's no way. That's not. That's A, that's not my life. B, I don't hang out with people that are like that. And C, I'm just. I don't have that in me. I'd rather run away from conflict than get in on it, you know, and if it's in front of a camera, especially display it.

[Co-host/Radio Panelist]

Right.

[Bert (Radio Host)]

So she explained to me, it's gonna be way different than Real Housewives of Atlanta.

[Radio Panelist/Commentator]

Right. This is gonna be drama free.

[Bert (Radio Host)]

It certainly can't be drama free. It can't be.

[Radio Panelist/Commentator]

It's reality tv.

[Bert (Radio Host)]

It's reality tv. So I understand that. But her pitch was, it's much more about lifestyle than it is about drama, that guys interact with each other differently than women do. So just by nature, it wouldn't be the same type show. So I was cool with that. But essentially it would be, it's me and, like, four or five of guys that I know that I'm very familiar with, and a couple of guys that I'm not so sure about, and basically following us with cameras and our interactions during the morning, the afternoon, and the night.

[Radio Panelist/Commentator]

Do you know who the other guys are?

[Bert (Radio Host)]

Some of them, I do, yeah. One that's being considered is my friend Justin. The other is my friend Dolvett. Crucial. Is he considered for it also? Kenny Burns?

[Radio Panelist/Commentator]

I thought he never wanted to be a celebrity.

[Reality TV Former Contestant]

It's not.

[Radio Panelist/Commentator]

It's reality tv.

Okay.

[Co-host/Radio Panelist]

It's real life.

[Bert (Radio Host)]

So really in the middle of her pitch, I'm like, you know what? What I've never heard before is anybody struggling through the decision process of wanting to be. Of trying to figure out if you want to be on one of these things or not. So I said, hold off the pitch right now, and will you come on with us on Wednesday morning and I'll get Stacy on the phone or have Stacy here also.

[Radio Panelist/Commentator]

Cool.

[Bert (Radio Host)]

And then she could detail the whole thing to us. And she said, yeah, that's fine. Cool.

[Co-host/Radio Panelist]

That would be interesting. Cause, you know.

[Bert (Radio Host)]

Well, I don't know if it's awesome. I mean, I'm really, really 50. 50 on doing it. Actually, I was about 20 80, not doing it until I talked to Stacey a little bit about it, who I thought for sure would say, absolutely not. And she said, you know, A lot of good could come out of it. You know, it's a lot more publicity for the show. It could be publicity for Burt's Big adventure. Hayden, my 7 year old, wants to get into acting now, so some exposure for him would be fantastic also. But then there's the other side of the whole thing too. I didn't.

[Co-host/Radio Panelist]

It's all in the editing. So it depends on how they edit the show.

[Radio Panelist/Commentator]

The only advantage that you would have.

[Co-host/Radio Panelist]

Because there has to be a bad guy in it.

[Radio Panelist/Commentator]

Yeah. The advantage that you would have after the. That nobody else would have is the ability to go on the air every single day after one airs and explain what really happened.

[Bert (Radio Host)]

Right. I didn't think about that. I did say Justin and I were talking about it a little bit yesterday, and he made a really great point to me. With the Real Housewives of Atlanta, nobody knew who they were, so they were willing to be on camera. They had no reputation really around town except within their own circle. So they had nothing to lose. The people that this show has approached already have reputations in town. My friend Justin is an entrepreneur and a very successful one. Kenny Burns in the urban community is a really big name. I mean, he hangs with Jay Z and has already got a name. I've got the radio show. And we do what we do. So we have stuff to lose. Whereas Real Housewives had everything to gain.

[Radio Panelist/Commentator]

Well, some of the Real Housewives, though, keep in mind, did have would be the equivalent of you and Justin and Kenny, but just not in our world. Like, we didn't know them, you know, Cause a lot of them live in Duluth and Gwinnett and, you know, up there so well.

And the most normal ones aren't on the show anymore.

Right.

The one that didn't have the drama in her life wasn't there for season two.

[Bert (Radio Host)]

And it's one of the things I was thinking also is just that I just don't really think my life is all that interesting. We come here, we do the show. I work on the show. I mean, I've got some, you know, I've got. Everybody has conflict, but I'm no Kim Zolciak.

[Radio Panelist/Commentator]

Well, that's the scary part.

Well. Cause they create that. I mean, there's no such thing as reality in reality tv. It's all created. Right. So there has to be the start, the end, the conflict in the middle, the resolution, the reveal. You know what I'm saying? All of it is built by producers. If you think Keeping up with the Kardashians has anything about you know, anything to do with the Kardashians? No, all of it is staged for the show. So all of it's mapped out, planned and whatever. They're not given scripts, they're not given lines, but they're certainly given scenarios. And there's people behind the scenes egging it on. So you think you and Justin going into this are best friends? Well, guess what? Producers are gonna feed both of you stuff to make you hate each other. And then guess what? They capture it on camera and you guys having a big argument at the gym because they're feeding you stuff. Oh, did you hear? Justin said this about you? And. And you're gonna be like, what? You know what I mean? I'm just kind of like tossing out examples from the top of my head. But still, I mean, that's what creates great television. And that's their job, is to create great tv.

[Bert (Radio Host)]

And in all honesty, not to get

[Radio Panelist/Commentator]

you publicity for your nice charity. I love sticking around to watch that for ratings.

[Bert (Radio Host)]

I don't have a ton of great friends, you know, I've got probably like three or four friends that I hold close to me. Right. And Dolvette and Justin are probably two of those.

[Caller/Listener]

So.

[Bert (Radio Host)]

So those are sort of like, I mean, they're valuable relationships to me. Then there's the wife angle on the whole thing and the family too. Like, Stacey and I get into normal people arguments. Got into one on Sunday morning and I said to her, imagine that being on national television.

[Radio Panelist/Commentator]

It's not the normal people arguments that you have to worry about. It's the non normal arguments, the ones where it really gets escalated. Because if you're having an argument because she wants to go to Flying Biscuit and you want to go to some other crap place, then that little argument about where you're gonna go have brunch is not. That's not what's gonna make it on TV. What's gonna make it on TV is when you told her you'd be home at 10:30 and you come home at 11, and for whatever reason she's livid about that. And that becomes, you know, that's the one where you're screaming down the hall from each other and Hayden's crying and all. That's what makes it on tv. The once a year knockdown drag out. Yeah, I'm not even sleeping in this house tonight fight. That's the one that makes it on tv.

[Co-host/Radio Panelist]

I want to hear the debate on Wednesday because I think we all. I mean. Yeah. What are the advantages of it, you know? Like, everything that Jen said is true. How do you weave in advantages in that scenario?

[Radio Panelist/Commentator]

But everything Bert said was true, too, Hayden. The charity, the radio show, the publicity,

[Co-host/Radio Panelist]

but also what character he is on the show, you know, because in every

[Radio Panelist/Commentator]

real show, how will they cast you? Yeah, the dad who still likes to really party a lot. Are they going to focus on that a lot?

[Bert (Radio Host)]

I said to Stacey, I mean, like, every little controversy that we have, every insecurity, every fight we have, imagine that being blown up. Saturday night, we're out. Stacey wants to go home. I want to stay out. That's on camera the next morning when she wakes up and she realizes, you know, that I should have had her back when she wanted to leave. That's all on camera, everything.

[Radio Panelist/Commentator]

How long do they shoot for?

[Bert (Radio Host)]

I think she said three months. I think it's 12 weeks.

[Caller/Listener]

Oh, that's a long time.

[Co-host/Radio Panelist]

But.

[Bert (Radio Host)]

And I'm not exactly sure. I'm more nervous about the camera time in the house than anything else. Like, exposing the kids all the time to that. That, to me, is like a deal breaker, you know?

[Co-host/Radio Panelist]

Well, Jeff made a great point about the fact that you can always come on the air and explain everything. So nationally, it's a different story, because people in other cities aren't gonna get the explanation.

[Reality TV Former Contestant]

But.

[Co-host/Radio Panelist]

But here in Atlanta, people in Atlanta will get the full scoop on everything.

[Radio Panelist/Commentator]

You know, you'd have to think of the biggest, the most intimate thing that happened to you in the past 30 days. Tell us about it right now and defend it to us. Yeah.

[Bert (Radio Host)]

Because it would all come out willing to do that.

[Radio Panelist/Commentator]

That's the answer. Then that's how you answer the question.

[Bert (Radio Host)]

I really thought when I approached Stacy on it, I'm like, let me just throw this out at you. I already know what the answer's going to be. And she's like. She was more into it than I thought she would be. I was really surprised because, remember a couple years ago, Stacey was like, I don't want the kid's face on your website. I don't want his name. I don't know where. Want to know people to know where he goes to school. But now that he's getting into the acting thing and he's been on the radio, we're both thinking maybe it'd be good publicity for him. Who knows? Who will see it? Hey, Ashley. Good morning. You're on Q100.

[Caller/Listener]

Good morning, Birdshaw. How you guys doing today?

[Bert (Radio Host)]

Good. How are you?

[Caller/Listener]

Good.

I just wanted to tell you, I don't know if you've Seen the show. Real how? It's actually Housewives of Hollywood. It's Husbands of Hollywood.

Excuse me.

And they have a show. I know there's a dillion on it. Who, you know, some C class celebrities. But I watched that show a few times, and they really don't portray the guys. It's not even anything similar to Real Housewives of Atlanta. It's really family oriented. I mean, they're one of the episodes. They argue about, you know, spending too much money on clothes. It's really. I mean, they don't portray the men to be any. Any of them are evil guys. It's all just guys hanging out, playing pool, you know, talking about, you know, their family and life situations. Having the women. Basically, the women are the ones with the income and the men are the stay at home husband.

[Bert (Radio Host)]

Which is what she told me on the phone, too. But, I mean, I'm in radio, so I understand that there are times where we'll say things to get people on the radio, and then when they get on the radio, then it's much different than we had planned.

[Radio Panelist/Commentator]

Who does that?

[Bert (Radio Host)]

Tracy.

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[Bert (Radio Host)]

Tracy's been guilty of that. We've been telling her for years not to do that. She don't listen to us.

[Radio Panelist/Commentator]

I think if I was producing that show, I wouldn't focus on conflict because conflict between guys is not nearly as entertaining between conflict between girls. Justin says some crap about you, your response is out. Well, he's just being a. A hole or whatever you say, but that's it. And it's done. I'm trying to think of where the

[Co-host/Radio Panelist]

drama would come into the personal lives.

[Radio Panelist/Commentator]

Yeah, the drama is gonna have to be magnified between relationships. Like, you know, like maybe Stacy's relationship

[Bert (Radio Host)]

with the guys or between wives of the guys.

[Radio Panelist/Commentator]

Yes, there's gonna be.

[Co-host/Radio Panelist]

That's where the drama would come in.

[Radio Panelist/Commentator]

It's not gonna be. I don't think it'll be focused on that, but it's gonna be you dealing with that. It's gonna be you dealing with Justin and Dolvett calling you out, calling you up to go out, and Stacy saying, dude, you gotta stay home because we're doing blah, blah, blah and all this other stuff. And so it's gonna be you deciding between them. And then it's gonna. Yeah, like, I don't.

[Bert (Radio Host)]

I just don't know if it's.

[Caller/Listener]

If it's.

[Bert (Radio Host)]

If the. I mean, there's so much risk. I mean, at the very worst, when you balance it all out. Right. What's the. You look at the worst case scenario, okay? There's a rift between me and my friends now. It creates tension between me and my wife in my family. I don't know. Those things are too precious to me to sacrifice.

[Radio Panelist/Commentator]

Once we talk to the producer on Wednesday and she pitches to Stacey and everything, couldn't we get Kim Zolciak on with us?

[Bert (Radio Host)]

I thought that. Yeah.

[Radio Panelist/Commentator]

And see if she would give you some advice, like, if she had to do it all over again, maybe different decisions she would make.

Totally different.

[Bert (Radio Host)]

And she knows this creator really well. They work together hand in hand. They're like real good friends.

[Radio Panelist/Commentator]

But, you know, she struggled with having her girls on camera and worried about her daughters and how it affected them throughout the whole thing. I mean, she was definitely concerned about that. So I think it'd be interesting to hear her give you advice.

I just think it's different because she

[Co-host/Radio Panelist]

was trying to gain fame.

[Radio Panelist/Commentator]

She was trying to gain what? Bert already has some notoriety. You know what I mean?

[Bert (Radio Host)]

Yeah. Like the notoriety.

[Co-host/Radio Panelist]

Singing voice, Right?

[Bert (Radio Host)]

You gotta be for the party, too. It's coming soon, people. I'm gonna crush it. Hey, Jenna. Good Morning. You're on Q100. Hey, Bert, it's Jenna. Hi.

[Caller/Listener]

So I just wanted to give the aspect. I think they're just like you guys have all said, there's pros and cons of doing a reality show. But I would just. The only thing I can think of is all this John and Kate business in the news, and if you ever watch their show or hear about it, you know, they obviously, they got to travel, they got to do a lot of great things that they would never have been able to do without their show. But then also, you know, if you ever visit was an episode where she was out just trying to go to a party city to shop for the kid's birthday. And there's paparazzi in the parking lot, you know, chasing their kids around. So I definitely think that there's, you know, pros and cons of it, but there's, you know, paparazzi could end up being posted outside your house, outside your kids, schools, etc. So.

[Bert (Radio Host)]

And again, they. They needed it. You know, they have eight kids, so they needed cash somehow. So the reality TV was a great way for them to get cash to support their life. I am really happy with the life I have right now, so what do I gain from it is what I'm thinking. Good morning, Tina. You're on Q100.

[Reality TV Former Contestant]

Good morning.

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How are you?

[Bert (Radio Host)]

Good. How are you?

[Caller/Listener]

Good.

[Reality TV Former Contestant]

No way.

[Co-host/Radio Panelist]

Okay.

[Reality TV Former Contestant]

Don't do it.

[Co-host/Radio Panelist]

Why? Why?

[Reality TV Former Contestant]

I was on the third season of the Bachelor, and I had no. I was not married, obviously had no children, and there's no way I would do it again then. No way.

[Radio Panelist/Commentator]

What are the negatives?

[Reality TV Former Contestant]

Oh, God, there's a thousand. First of all, you have no control

[Caller/Listener]

over how they edit it at all.

[Reality TV Former Contestant]

And y' all are saying, you know, you can come on the next day and kind of explain what happened behind the scenes. You will most likely sign a contract saying, no, you can't, because then you blow their whole show.

[Caller/Listener]

You blow it for them.

[Reality TV Former Contestant]

You know, they set it up this way. And if somebody's coming in every day saying, that totally didn't happen like that, and then people will quit following the show because it's not reality.

[Radio Panelist/Commentator]

Obviously, that is true.

[Reality TV Former Contestant]

I mean, it's. I find something saying that we really couldn't go after the show and say, here's what really happened. And, you know, this girl said this and that girl. And. And they do pit you against people. They will tell you so and so said this and they didn't, or they spun it. And so then you guys, you will get in a fight in front of the cameras about something that really was concocted by the producers and never said by the people on the show.

[Co-host/Radio Panelist]

Well, certainly they know, because I'm just. Just on the front of. You can't talk about it in the contract. They know that there's no way that you could enter a contract like that doing what you do. You know what I mean?

[Radio Panelist/Commentator]

Like, it's going to be pretty standard.

Well, it's an explanation. He'd have to enter into it because it's the explanation process of. Okay, well, just so you know, after the episode aired, I went off camera and I said to Dolvett, dude, why would you say that about, you know, the people I work with in Dolvett's like, I never said that. You can't explain that.

[Bert (Radio Host)]

Well, really, like, having a radio show would be no different than blogging about it. So if that was. If people were able to do that in the past, they would have done that after every episode in the past. And they've never been able to do that. So why would they give me the same.

[Co-host/Radio Panelist]

I'm just saying that you physically can't come in here and not be able to explain yourself if they edited it a different way.

[Radio Panelist/Commentator]

Yeah.

You know what I'm saying?

[Co-host/Radio Panelist]

You really physically could not do that.

[Radio Panelist/Commentator]

They could edit, and we could not

[Co-host/Radio Panelist]

keep from asking you over and over again.

[Radio Panelist/Commentator]

But the scary part about it is that they could edit something in there that would make, that would hurt your character. Something racist, something, what's it called, homophobic, Something like that. And if you are not legally allowed

[Bert (Radio Host)]

to explain, that could hurt this product.

[Co-host/Radio Panelist]

Yeah.

[Bert (Radio Host)]

There's a lot of things to consider. And if you just joined us, I got a call yesterday from the creators of Real Housewives franchises, OC and also Real Housewives of Atlanta, asked me if I'd be interested in doing a show called Boys Club Atlanta, which is reality TV show that'll be shot here in Atlanta with me and some of my friends and some guys I don't know. And Stacy and I are just sort of talking about the pros and cons of it the same way we're doing this morning. Yeah, but the creator is going to come on Wednesday morning and she'll make more of a clear pitch. So we'll really have a better idea what this thing's all about.

[Radio Panelist/Commentator]

I'm guessing that the opinions that are going to come through to you and email and Facebook and all that is going to be split down the middle.

[Bert (Radio Host)]

Oh yeah, 50.

[Radio Panelist/Commentator]

50.

That's what we do.

[Bert (Radio Host)]

So then I'll have to make a decision by myself and I'm not capable of doing that.

[Radio Panelist/Commentator]

The Birch Show.

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