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Bert
You're on the Burt Show. So I want to revisit a conversation we started earlier this morning because Wendy got in at the very last minute and it was too late to get her actually in on the whole debate. We were debating this morning if women and guys can really, really just be platonic, have platonic friendships. And this is all based on Jen and her fantasy that she's got this one platonic dude that she went over to hang out with last night.
Jen
Yes.
Bert
In her PJs.
Jen
Yoga pants.
Bert
Yoga pants. Drank a little wine, watched a little football. And she thinks it's no problem. We've already established this is just friendship.
Jen
We're just friends.
Jeff
The thing is, now just so we're,
Jen
you know, I don't think that's that crazy.
Melissa
I don't think so.
Jeff
It's not. But here's what Jeff's gonna get me.
Tyson
Right in the face again.
Jeff
Yeah, this is where I'm gonna get angry because we're not.
Jen
There's no reason to get mad.
Jeff
We're not. Then listen.
Jen
He's fine with just being my friend.
Jeff
No, he'. Here's the deal, what Bert said. Bert made a big sweeping generality. There certainly are occasions where guys and girls can be friends. But in this circumstance, when you are talking about an attractive single woman, as Jen is and Wendy claims to be
Tyson
and claims to be single. Not the attractive part.
Melissa
I seriously wish I wasn't.
Jeff
So we've got two pretty girls, right? And for one of them, for Jen, there is a guy who is in her world, who is a good looking
Bert
guy, who she admits, you said that he's an attractive guy.
Jeff
Absolutely is a known player. I have watched him from a distance the way those photographers watch the lions in Africa. And you just observe and you are amazed at the beauty and grace of the creature around women. I have seen him do things that would have made him the president of a fraternity had we been in college.
Bert
And you have even labeled him as charming.
Jen
He's a charming guy and I've watched the exact same thing.
Jeff
It's amazing, isn't it?
Lynn
Right?
Jen
We talk about the girls that he dates, we talk about the guys that I date, we talk about all of that stuff.
Jeff
You're speaking gibberish.
Jen
Because we're friends.
Jeff
So here's what we were trying to make. Bert and I were trying to make Jen understand is it's great that you're friends. I mean, even when he said this weekend that she should come over alone on Monday night and watch football together, when he made that suggestion, her response was, okay, but don't try to make out with me because we're friends.
Jen
I can say jokey things like that.
Bert
Even that itself is flirty.
Jeff
What I'm saying it is.
Jen
By the way, it came from a previous conversation.
Jeff
Doesn't matter.
Jen
You had to be there.
Jeff
What I'm saying is. And what Bert, I think is saying less angrily from a guy's point of view. All of your declarations about this being just friends, irrelevant. Not even on the radar. The fact that you came over to his house wearing yoga pants and hung out and watched the game and all that other stuff, all that is, is that's another deposit into his bank account. It's the Christmas club like your mom and dad used to have every month they're putting 100 bucks in so they can buy the toys in December.
Bert
Let me ask you.
Jeff
He's just waiting for Christmas.
Bert
Well, I think Jeff's right that there are some where men and women can be just friends. For sure.
Jen
However, in what situation?
Bert
This is the situation I'm gonna give you. If there is zero attraction between both of them. If you didn't think this dude was an attractive guy, and I'm sure he thinks you're an attractive woman. If there was no attraction, then I think it's possible. But since there is an attraction, you think he's attractive. He thinks you're attractive. You guys are gonna hook up.
Melissa
That's not necessary.
Jen
It can be done.
Jeff
It can't be done.
Melissa
It can be, because I've had a friend for four years that's a guy, and we've hung out, watched football games, went to football.
Jeff
When's the last time you spoke to him?
Melissa
Well, he doesn't speak to me now because he's got a girlfriend.
Jeff
There you go. There's more to it than that.
Melissa
But it's always been platonic. There hasn't been any moves made or anything.
Jeff
Play, Tony, just so you know, that type of platonic relationship means he wants to play with your boobs.
Bert
Here's what I'm saying, Jen, because that you guys find each other attractive. Okay?
Lynn
Right.
Bert
Even though you're friends, there is a good chance because you guys are going out, hanging out and drinking, there's a good chance that you guys accidentally, one night are gonna do something that we never saw coming. This isn't right. Oh, my God. Our friendship is at stake here. And you guys are gonna end up hooked up with each other, waking up next to each other.
Jen
That's the thing, is I like him as my friend so much. And I like going out with his group of friends, like his group of friends and my group of friends. Like everybody always has a really great time together.
Melissa
Yeah.
Jen
And that's why. Because it's platonic.
Melissa
Hey, Jen, I don't want to mess that up.
Jen
That's the way that I'd like to keep it because I don't want to mess that up. Okay.
Bert
I'm sure he's on the same page.
Jen
I'm going to tell you with somebody, then everything changes and it gets all weird and then somebody likes somebody more than the other and then there. I just. I don't want to do that.
Jeff
All right, I'm going to tell you. I'm going to tell you a secret.
Jen
Good friends.
Jeff
He doesn't care. He doesn't care about your friendship. He doesn't care.
Jen
He does.
Jeff
He wants.
Jen
He does. He's different than you, Jeff.
Bert
I think he probably does. I think he probably does. All I'm saying is that you are putting yourself in a situation where. Where the accidental hookup is inevitable.
Jeff
What is that?
Melissa
No, it's not. I don't think so.
Jen
I don't think it's inevitable.
Melissa
Cause they're only hating.
Jen
Why are you laughing, Melissa? You're being awfully quiet about that.
Tyson
Because I date women, and I, you know, same girls are not, you know, girls do think differently about dating women than guys do. But what they're saying is all the same. Like, if I really like somebody and I'm friends with her and then I'm attracted to her and she's giving me the Heisman and it's not going to work out, but there is. I have placed people in situations where there was alcohol just to see if that would happen a little.
Jeff
And how long would you be willing
Jen
to wait, Tyson, because there's no advances?
Tyson
No, no, that's not what I'm talking about.
Jen
You know what I'm saying?
Tyson
It's the. It's the indirect Heisman. It's the fact that I'm around and there. It's not happening, and it's not happening.
Jeff
And there was a horizon.
Tyson
I never made a move on this one. You know, these women. It's just that I could see sense. Okay? It's not going to happen naturally, so I'm going to have to help the situation out a little bit.
Bert
Hey, Lynn, good morning. You are part of the Burt Show.
Lynn
Hey, guys. I have a guy friend that we were initially platonic and grew up together, going through middle and elementary school and high school. And I knew all his girlfriends, he knew all my boyfriends, and we. Neither one of us were dating anybody. We would end up hooking up, and it was just one of those things where we could still hang out, but we'd end up hooking up, which is not.
Bert
There's nothing wrong with that little friends with benefits kind of thing happening there.
Jeff
You just need to know that in his mind, every time you and he are around, he is thinking that there's a chance you guys are gonna hook up. You need regard. You can say platonic, all you want
Melissa
to do, but if Jen says no, then it's never gonna happen every time.
Bert
You guys don't matter.
Jen
What I'm trying to say is there's no need to say no because there's no advances. There's no no in the equation.
Tyson
But I think that you. The responsibility is gonna be on your shoulders because I do believe he will take advantage of a situation comes up. And unfortunately, you're gonna have to be the one to say no if you wanna keep it platonic and.
Jeff
Okay, just so you know, when you say there's no advances.
Jen
Right.
Jeff
You know when he's talking to you about how happy he is to be single and how great it is to be free and liberal?
Jen
Right.
Jeff
He's setting you up every time.
Bert
Every time you guys don't hook up, he gets closer to hooking up with you.
Jeff
Yes. Let me tell Ken. Let me. What do you guys say? I hate to tell you this, but guess what?
Jen
Why are you so passionate about me? I can hang out with whoever I
Jeff
want to hang out because I'm frustrated. Because it's so obvious.
Tyson
Why do you. It's not like, why do you care?
Jeff
Here's the deal.
Jen
It's not that obvious.
Jeff
He's having conversations because your girl brain. There's too many roads. Guy brain is one big empty parking lot. Just walk in there and look around and you can see everything. Okay, so look, he's having a. You say to him, let's call him Peter. So you say, hey, Peter, you know what? I'm really enjoying this single life. Like, it's really. Whatever. And his response is, me too. Bonding. Connection. Connection between you two. I guarantee you, if a week from now you said to him, you know what? I really miss being in a relationship, he would say, I know what you mean. There really is something. No, I don't think he would.
Jen
I think he is the type of guy that totally wants to be single for a long time.
Jeff
He's the type of guy who totally wants to pull your pants down,
Melissa
but.
Jeff
So he's going to say what he has to say in order to align himself with you. Bert, just. Can I get an amen?
Jen
That's not true.
Bert
I don't know that. That would be like. I don't think all guys play it that way. Like, I think that part of his playing is always sort of letting her know that he's not in it for a relationship at all. Which makes him more of a chase for you.
Jen
It's not a chase.
Tyson
We're friends.
Bert
You don't even know you're chasing him. That's how good he is.
Jen
I'm not chasing anybody. There's a gentleman.
Melissa
Yes, that can be possible. You could just want friendship and not anything else.
Jeff
The declaration that we're not gonna make out tonight to him is, oh, my God. She's thinking about making out with me.
Jen
Oh, that is a part of a different conversation that shouldn't even be a part of this conversation.
Bert
And what was the percentage that you gave us this morning? What was the percentage you gave us this morning before I close my case?
Jen
Well, it's not 100%.
Bert
You said there's 99% chance that you guys won't hook up, Right? And what he's hearing is.
Melissa
Nothing's 100%.
Bert
What he's hearing is. That's 100% of 1%.
Tyson
And that's the point. I mean, the point is that it's not like a guy. It's not like he is going hunting and he's up in the tree looking at you through his scope, but it is in the back of his mind that every situation is a potential opportunity. You know? Like, the difference is if he. If he made an advance on you, you would turn him down. If you made an advance on him, he would not turn you down.
Bert
Hey, Bobby. Good Morning. You're on Q100.
Lynn
I never agree with Jeff, but I'm gonna have to say that he is right on point. Everything that he is saying, and Jen is in denial, and so is Wendy. Oh, my God. He is waiting. He is waiting in the wings. He's waiting for his opportunity. Trust me, I know.
Bert
Look, how many times have we done this on the air before where we've asked guys to call us up right now and tell us how long you have pretended to be friends just for that one chance, the one vulnerable space that happens eventually. Guys were calling up saying, it took me 15 years, guys.
Jen
That's not the situation. That's not the situation.
Jeff
Guys are like cats.
Tyson
If you put Bert just checked out on that.
Bert
Yeah, right.
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Jeff
Listen to me. If you open up a can of tuna fish once, right? Maybe that's a bad example. That's a bad example.
Jen
Okay, let me interrupt him for a second.
Jeff
Jj, if you put a handful of cat food outside the door of your house, right? Once, that cat will know that there's always a chance. No matter how many times you say, I'm not gonna put any more food out, that cat knows there's always a chance. So when you say 99%, he doesn't hear 99%. He hears 1% really, really, really loud.
Tyson
It's like Jeff is passionately warning you about something. Where my thing is, this is the funnest part of. Of dating casually. This is the funnest part.
Jen
Yeah.
Tyson
So, I mean, the leading up to the making out part. So enjoy it. Because, I mean, I think that's what makes it fun is the fact that there might be an opportunity. There might not be an opportunity. He's going to try. You're going to try. You may not. I don't know.
Jen
So.
Bert
But you can.
Jen
I don't.
Tyson
Yeah.
Bert
The beauty is you can if you want.
Tyson
Yeah.
Bert
Because you're single.
Tyson
I don't understand why it's such a warning to you.
Jen
There's no warning. No. I'm using Dae Ding as a verb right now.
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Jen
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Tyson
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Jen
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Original Air Date: May 21, 2026
In this lively episode, The Bert Show team—led by Bert and joined by Jen, Jeff, Melissa, Tyson, and others—dive deep into the age-old and often heated debate: Can men and women really be just friends? Prompted by Jen’s story of a platonic hangout with a male friend, the cast brings personal anecdotes, gender perspectives, and strong opinions to the table. Throughout, the conversation explores notions of attraction, friendship boundaries, intentions, and real-life experiences, all with the group’s trademark humor and authenticity.
The conversation ultimately circles around persistent gender differences in interpreting platonic friendship. The male hosts maintain that if attraction exists, true platonic friendship is nearly impossible—at least on the male side—and any opportunity may eventually turn sexual, intentional or not. Jen and Melissa argue for the possibility of boundaries and friendship, though even they acknowledge friendships can change when external factors (like a new girlfriend) enter the mix.
Despite the lighthearted, teasing tone, the debate remains unresolved—but packed with real experiences, playful banter, vivid metaphors, and candid, sometimes heated, honesty.