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Jessica
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Bert
The Bird show so intern Alexis is not here to speak for herself, but I want to relay to you guys a situation that she's in right now with some of her friends. Right? And of course she detailed it to me, so I'm going to mess up a whole bunch of the information. But she's not here to clarify.
Co-host
This is similar. This is vaguely similar to whatever Alexis is going through, but it's been embellished quite a bit to make it good for the radio.
Bert
I think I can. I think I've got the gist of it and the gist of the question that she has. And it goes something like this. Like, she's got a friend that's Probably, I'm guessing, 23, 24, 25 years old and been dating this guy for a couple of months. And the guy who was like, pretty perfect in every area, I'm guessing everything that she likes in a guy, this was the dude. Right height, right sensitivity, fun dude, smart dude, great across the board. But he was really, really, really bad in bed. Really bad in bed. And she waited it out because, you know, that first time, sometimes things don't work out so well. You're like, that's cool. I mean, the guy's so good, you know, in other areas, I'm sure this was just like first time jitters type thing. Didn't work out so well. So.
Jessica
Stage fright or something?
Bert
Maybe could be because I'm under that impression also. Like, the first time that you ever have sex with somebody is probably the worst. It's going to be with that person. Right. All right, so second time didn't get any better. Third time, now she's dreading having to sleep with this guy, but she's really conflicted because he's just not getting any better. They've just started this relationship, really. So they're not at a point in the relationship where she can say, look, here's where you. You, here's what you need to do, or point them in the right direction. So the question she wanted to ask was, is it possible to have a really great relationship, solid relationship with somebody, even. Maybe even a marriage with the sex being absolutely horrible? 404,741 1005 Now, I want to get Jessica on for this, but I don't. You know what? That's such an important part of every relationship. I don't know that if she was asking me, I say, I would say no.
Jessica
I would. I would say no overall. But I would also ask Alexis's friend if she had tried to. To make improvements. Because sometimes women are afraid to talk to their guys about improvements they can make in certain areas. And sometimes guys. Guys are receptive to it, and other times they're not. If he's going to bruise his ego too much and he's going to run away anyway. Well, there you go. You have your answer. But I think. Don't you think there's some stuff that you can be coached on. Or you can say this way is great, but that way's not. Or what if we try this or slow down here? You know, I mean, you can sort of, I think, coach or give direction over time, and that goes both way. Men for women, you know, I mean, there's certain things that you guys are gonna like or certain things that you're not. And I think you gotta be able to tell the other person what it is that you like and what it is you don't like.
Bert
See, here's where guys are guilty of just not paying attention, because I think that the women that you're with are giving you subtle hints all the time while things are going on. On what they like and what they don't like if they mean to or not, but don't. If your antenna is up, you should be able to tell. But I don't know that we're really. We have the. We haven't made the switch.
Co-host
But the thing is, don't be. For women. Like, when you're dealing with guys, don't be subtle. Like. Like, I think women, when they're dealing with other women, like, whether it be in the workplace or, like, friends or whatever, like, they try to be subtle and dance around and be polite or whatever. Like, guys aren't going to. I mean, there's. I don't. Don't be rude, but you don't have to be subtle.
Bert
We want to know that we're good, but we can be better. Don't tell us we suck. And here's how to get good. Right? Exactly.
Co-host
Bert put it perfectly, like, hey, you know. You know what would make next time we do this a lot better? Little guidance. So not like, God, you know what? I really, really like feathers. Like, and then have that be said over dinner. And then you get mad when, you know, the guy doesn't tickle you with a feather like, four days later, like, no.
Bert
The question really is that Alexis friend has. Is, can a relationship work long term? If everything's great in the relationship, things are fine, but sexually, oh, it's just such a drag, and there's nothing you can do. Now, the trump card in this equation that we don't have is how long they were going out. But I think if the overall question is, can you have a healthy relationship if the sex sucks? Is still pretty valid. It doesn't matter the timetable on it.
Co-host
Knowing Alexis and the circle of friends she runs in, they've probably been dating a week now.
Bert
Hey, Kelly.
Co-host
Good morning.
Caller Stephanie
Hi.
Caller Kelly
I want to tell you guys, I Love your show. And I had to call in. I definitely have an opinion. I think the key word here is long term. And I think that if long term things don't change, she is always going to feel like there's something she's missing, and that is a really fulfilling part of a long term monogamous relationship. And if she always feels like she's missing out or things are not satisfying, I think that the relationship overall will suffer.
Jessica
I agree with you. Don't you think, too, that if it was overtime and you went into a marriage where you were great friends, everything was great, but there was nothing, you know, going on in the bedroom that you could be pulled away from that marriage easier? If someone came in and there was all this chemistry and they were sweet, you know, all this, like, sexual tension and all this stuff going on or what? You know what I mean? Like, somebody could sweep you off your feet a little bit faster, don't you think?
Caller Kelly
Absolutely. I cannot disagree with that at all. And I just think that, you know, you can't shortchange that part of your life. And you want to be the person who rises above and says, gosh, there's so many other wonderful things about this person, but you really just can't shortchange that part of your relationship.
Bert
Yeah, I think that's the flaw in the thinking right there. For some reason, we think, like, sex is a superficial part of somebody or a relationship, and it's not like you want to say all the other stuff that matters so much. He's got such a great heart. He's so sensitive. Well, to me, sex is right there. I mean, that's a pretty big part of the equation. It's not superficial at all, you know. Hey, Art. Good morning. You're on the Burt Show. What's up?
Caller Art
Hello.
Bert
Yup.
Caller Art
Hey. What I wanted to say was, you know, part of being in a relationship is taking the good and the bad sometimes. You know, as people get older, their sex life, Wayne's, you get to be 40 years old, Amanda's, his sex life goes out the door a little bit. Women, the same thing. I mean, sex always going to be there. And if you find somebody that you can spend the next 30 years with, then, you know, you got to sort of filter out what's most important to you.
Bert
So what you're saying is you can have a really great relationship with the sex just pretty much sucking.
Caller Art
Well, let me ask you this. What would happen if something were to happen to your partner, like into an accident and they no longer can be sexually Active. That's something to consider. I mean, sex life can be taken away immediately.
Bert
I think you're asking a different question.
Co-host
Two totally different things. Like, now you're asking someone to make the investment at the beginning. Like when. When that huge lifetime bond hasn't been built. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's like. It's like you're building, like, you. Like, it's like building a structure, and you add to that structure every month that you're together. So when would you rather, I guess, abandon building that. For lack of a better word, three months into it or 30 years into it? You're not going to. 30 years into it.
Bert
Yeah. The circumstances.
Co-host
Does that make sense?
Bert
Yeah. We are gonna call this virtual listener Stephanie. And she is on the voice disguiser. Hi, Stephanie.
Caller Stephanie
Hi, Bert. I just wanted to say I love you guys. And she needs to get rid of that guy. I've been married to the same man for 50, and the sex has sucked for 15 years, and it's hard to fake it. You can only stare up at the ceiling and pretend it's Mel Gibson so often.
Bert
But isn't some of this your fault? Like, I'm assuming he wasn't great before you got married and you made the decision to get married to a guy that sucked in bed.
Caller Stephanie
Yep, that's true. But I did love him. And I thought I could make it. I don't know, make it right, make it good. When you love someone enough, you think anything's possible. And unfortunately, I think it's hard to teach guys new tricks. Some just aren't willing to learn. Others are. I'm not saying that there aren't a lot of guys out there that wouldn't be open for suggestions, but bottom line, if you just don't got it, you don't got it.
Bert
You've tried to guide him in the right direction, and he just isn't listening.
Caller Stephanie
No, no, no, no, no. It's quick and over. And, you know, as long as. As long as the man's happy, that's all that matters.
Co-host
Have you talked to him about that?
Caller Stephanie
Oh, absolutely.
Co-host
Okay.
Jessica
He's just not receptive to making any change.
Caller Stephanie
Well, he. I don't want to say he doesn't try, but, you know, when. When you done got it, how do you. How do you make it better?
Bert
So what you're saying is, like, there are just some people that will never get better because this is just not something they're ever going to be good at. Like, you got it.
Caller Stephanie
You got it. Just like, you know if you're good in sports, you're just naturally good in things. And if you don't. Got it, I don't know. You know, you can't. You can practice, practice, practice, but that doesn't make you a good football player or a good soccer player.
Bert
That's a great question for another time. Like taking calls on if they agree or disagree with you, that if you're bad, you'll always be bad. Or if there are some. That doesn't matter. I mean, in your experience, doesn't matter how hard he tries. This is just something he sucks at. Let me ask you this.
Caller Stephanie
You got it?
Bert
Has it? And you're on the voice disguiser, so I hope you can answer this honestly. Has the sex been so bad that you have gone outside of your relationship?
Caller Stephanie
Never.
Bert
Never?
Caller Stephanie
Never. I wouldn't do that. I do bow my vows with my husband, and I would never cheat on him, but it helps to just pretend you're there with someone else.
Co-host
Have you. Have you considered it?
Caller Stephanie
Never. Never. Not that. Well, I shouldn't say never, but I'd have to get divorced. I could never just cheat on him.
Jessica
Right.
Bert
So you must dread, like, the nights that he's coming on to you. There must be, like, this small little panic that comes up over you that has to suffer through this.
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Caller Stephanie
Sometimes it's easier to just get drunk. I have to say, when I was younger, first married, you know, when you get nice and drunk, it would certainly make it easier. But now the older you get, you just pretend that you're with someone else that's sad. And make it what you want it to be, which is sad.
Jessica
But are you guys.
Caller Stephanie
When you have kids involved and you do love the person, you make it work.
Jessica
Are you all at.
Caller Stephanie
That's why I'm saying she's dating the guy. Get out while the going's good.
Jessica
Are you at a stage where there's no talking or coaching anymore? It's just like you've sort of put up a wall and he sort of put up a wall.
Caller Stephanie
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Jessica
Because I was gonna say, even at this point, if you guys got, like, a coach or, you know, I mean, they have people like that, like sex therapists and stuff that can help couples. But if you guys have both put up a mental wall, even if he gets better, you might not be receptive to it. I don't know.
Caller Stephanie
I don't know, because I guess it's that. That old line, you can't teach an.
Jessica
Old dog new tricks, but you also can't. I mean, you also can't always keep that in your mind. If he is willing to improve.
Caller Stephanie
If he was willing to improve.
Jessica
Yeah. If he was willing.
Caller Stephanie
When he. I don't know how to say it. When you have someone that wouldn't be open to those options, it. You know, it doesn't.
Jessica
Right.
Caller Stephanie
It doesn't matter. And I mean, but in 15 years, I. Of course, I've never told him that it sucks. I mean, I don't want to kill his ego completely.
Jessica
Right.
Bert
Let me ask you a deeply personal question. Have you had a big O in 15 years?
Caller Stephanie
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Because I have a great imagination.
Co-host
Okay, so you had. You do it with. You have it with. With him.
Caller Stephanie
Yes.
Bert
Technically.
Caller Stephanie
Technically.
Bert
That's sad. I'm sad for you. I really am. That sucks. That really does. I'm sorry.
Caller Stephanie
Well, just tell her to go while the going's good. I've made my bed. I can lay in it, but no one else should have to.
Bert
Good advice for somebody that's there.
Jessica
Thank you very much for being so honest.
Caller Stephanie
Okay, take care.
Bert
Bye. Bye. Do you remember that one virtual listener we had on one time that her husband was so bad in bed that every time he wanted to have sex, she'd run to the refrigerator.
Jessica
Yes.
Bert
And she'd put ketchup in her underwear.
Jessica
No.
Bert
Every time. And tell them that it was every time. And it was that time of the month.
Jessica
Oh, that's so sad.
Co-host
What about this woman who spent most of her married life getting drunk before they did it? Same thing.
Jessica
Well, I just think that anybody in any way is coachable. If you're open to being coachable. I mean, we've talked about it in different. Completely different scenarios. Not sexual or not in the bedroom at all, but, like, guests that we would have in here that are coachable or others that aren't coachable, because it's just being open to it and being receptive to constructive criticism.
Bert
To me, that, like, your bedroom is, like, the last place in the world that you should have any kind of ego at all. You know what I'm saying? Any kind of ego at all. And so many different levels.
Jessica
Guys have to remember that, too.
Bert
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Bert
I never looked so good. You look the same. But with this camera, everything looks better. Especially me. You haven't changed your hair in 15 years.
Jessica
Selfies check, please.
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Date: November 4, 2025
Cast: Bert, Jessica, Co-hosts, Callers
Note: This summary skips advertisements and sponsor segments.
In this episode, The Bert Show tackles a candid and often avoided subject: what happens when you’re in an otherwise perfect relationship, but your partner is consistently bad in bed? The hosts and callers debate whether a long-term relationship can survive with poor sexual compatibility, share personal stories, and discuss the challenges of communication and improvement in intimate relationships. The conversation is honest, relatable, and laced with classic Bert Show humor.
[01:44] Situation Set-Up
“The guy who was, like, pretty perfect in every area ... but he was really, really, really bad in bed.” – Bert [02:17]
[02:54] Exploring “First Time Jitters”
[03:51] Advice from Hosts
“Sometimes women are afraid to talk to their guys about improvements they can make... But I think you gotta be able to tell the other person what you like and don’t like.” – Jessica [03:51]
[04:58] Communication Tips
“Don’t be subtle. ... Like, guys aren’t going to [pick up on it]. ... You don’t have to be rude, but you don’t have to be subtle.” – Co-host [04:58]
[05:50] Is Sex Overrated in Relationships?
“We think, like, sex is a superficial part of somebody or a relationship, and it’s not... To me, sex is right there. I mean, that’s a pretty big part of the equation.” – Bert [07:30]
“If long term things don’t change, she is always going to feel like there’s something she’s missing, and that is a really fulfilling part of a long term monogamous relationship.” – Kelly [06:21]
“You could be pulled away from that marriage easier... If someone came in and there was all this chemistry...” – Jessica [06:48]
“As people get older, their sex life wanes... If you find somebody you can spend the next 30 years with, then you gotta filter out what's most important to you.” – Art [07:53]
[09:06] Stephanie, on voice disguiser, gives a raw, personal account:
“I’ve been married to the same man for 15 years, and the sex has sucked for 15 years... You can only stare up at the ceiling and pretend it’s Mel Gibson so often.” – Stephanie [09:12]
Bert asks if she tried to talk about it:
“Have you talked to him about that?” – Co-host
“Oh, absolutely.” – Stephanie [10:29]
“He’s just not receptive to making any change.” – Jessica [10:33]
Stephanie compares sexual skill to sports ability–“if you don’t got it, you don’t got it.” [10:56]
Despite the lack of fulfillment, she never cheated, staying “for the vow” and for her kids.
“Never. I wouldn’t do that. I do value my vows with my husband, and I would never cheat on him, but it helps to just pretend you’re there with someone else.” – Stephanie [11:37]
She admits sometimes she’d get drunk to get through it, and now just “pretends” to manage:
“Sometimes it’s easier to just get drunk... You pretend you’re with someone else. That’s sad.” – Stephanie [12:14]
On “faking it,” Stephanie uses her imagination, but the hosts express sympathy:
“That’s sad. I’m sad for you. I really am. That sucks.” – Bert [14:13]
Final advice:
“Just tell her to go while the going’s good. I’ve made my bed. I can lay in it, but no one else should have to.” – Stephanie [14:17]
Direct Talk on Coaching Partners
Humorous/Sad Listener Stories
| Timestamp | Segment Summary | |------------|----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 01:44 | Bert introduces Alexis’ friend’s dilemma | | 02:53 | Hosts discuss “first time jitters” and repeated bad experiences | | 03:51 | Jessica suggests women should try coaching their partners | | 04:37 | Bert asserts men miss subtle cues; co-hosts debate need for clear honesty | | 05:50 | Bert reframes: is bad sex a dealbreaker even when everything else is perfect? | | 06:19 | Kelly calls: argues long-term unhappiness is inevitable with bad sex | | 07:51 | Art calls: says sexual compatibility wanes, but hosts argue it matters most early on | | 09:06 | Stephanie’s story: 15 years in a sexless, unsatisfying marriage, failed attempts to fix it | | 14:13 | Bert expresses sympathy for Stephanie’s situation | | 14:17 | Stephanie offers stark advice: “get out while the going’s good” | | 14:31 | Hosts recall another listener’s extreme avoidance tactic (ketchup in underwear) | | 14:55 | Jessica’s closing on coachability and ego in the bedroom | | 15:17 | Bert’s closing thoughts on the importance of leaving ego out of the bedroom |
Final advice for listeners: If you’re at the start of a relationship and facing these issues, don’t assume it’ll work itself out – communicate, be honest, and don’t settle thinking things will magically improve without effort.
Memorable moment:
“You can only stare up at the ceiling and pretend it’s Mel Gibson so often.” – Stephanie [09:12]
Classic Bert Show humor:
“Her husband was so bad in bed... she’d run to the refrigerator and put ketchup in her underwear...” – Bert [14:31]
This episode provides an honest, funny, and sometimes sobering look at an important relationship question, leaving listeners with both practical advice and plenty to ponder.