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Raj
Hey, it's Raj and Noah. And we're back with a new season of Am I Doing It Wrong? The show that explores the all too human anxieties we have about trying to get our lives right.
Noah
Because we're still doing a lot of stuff wrong.
Raj
But who isn't? That's why each week we're talking about the topics that we could all use a little helping hit with. Whether it's making new friends as an adult, managing our emotions, or even dreaming.
Noah
We'Ll be talking to experts in their fields who are definitely doing things right. So the rest of us can be a bit wiser and a lot better equipped to handle whatever life throws at us.
Raj
Subscribe now and listen to new episodes of Am I Doing It Wrong? Dropping every Thursday starting January 1st, wherever you get your podcasts.
Noah
And for the first time ever, we're going to have full video episodes on YouTube. Because as as long as there are things to get wrong, we're going to be right here to help you do them better.
Caller or Listener
Love y'.
Melissa
All.
Jeff
Get it.
Melissa
The bird show. All right, Dwayne, who is Dwayne Melissa, and why are we talking to him?
Jen
Well, Dwayne has worked with this woman for four years. And he, his feelings for her developed into one of love. I mean, he's. He literally said he is in love with her. But she had dated this guy for, I want to say, three of those four years. And she got out of the relationship and he decided, you know what, it's time for me to tell her. Because the last thing he wanted was to keep his mouth shut and then her start another long term relationship. So he came to us to say, you know what, I'm going to do it this week and I'm going to tell her this was a few weeks ago. And then he kind of choked. They went on at a lunch, it was a business lunch, but he said, you know what, I just couldn't do it. So then we talked to him right before the Buckhead beach party last weekend, and we suggested, why don't you invite her to the Buckhead beach party? You go together, maybe you'll do it there. Well, he brought it up to her and ends up she was already going to the Buckhead beach party with someone else. But she kind of said, and you know, after the fact, well, and if you want to go with us, she can. He came on the air with us after that and said, what do I do? We're like, dude, don't be the third wheel at the Buckhead beach party. The Friday before the Buckhead beach party, just, you know what, tell her how you feel. And Jeff's suggestion was to get drunk and tell her how he felt. And that's exactly what he did. He took Jeff's advice. He told her how he felt. Then they ended up making out and she ended up spending the night with him. Nothing happened, but she, she was there with him. She said, I will call you on Sunday after the Buckhead beach party. She already had the date on Saturday night. That Sunday, didn't hear from her. And then on Monday they were at work and he was gonna ask her to lunch so that he could ask her out on an official date. Asked her to lunch. She was already busy for lunch. So it just seemed like we were afraid that she's kind of avoiding him now after that happened on Friday night.
Melissa
Getting some serious mixed messages. This is 90 seconds of the last conversation that we had with Dwayne.
Dwayne
I talked to her about going to lunch and she had a lunch date already. An old roommate of hers, I guess was in.
Melissa
God damn.
Jen
How was, how did she treat you when you talked to her yesterday?
Dwayne
She was just playing it really cool, you know, she's like just being really cool. And which I can understand because, you know, we're at work and, you know, we don't want to cause a big scene at work of any kind. So it's just, you know, she was being very professional and very cool and hopefully I'll get a chance to ask her out for this weekend.
Jen
Are you sure she's maybe not freaked out by what happened Friday night? I mean, do you think she giving you the cold shoulder? A little bit.
Dwayne
I mean, I didn't full on tell her that I was in love with her because, like I said, I didn't want to. I didn't want to throw that on her. But I, you know, I kind of was. I pretty much came clean about the fact that I'd had really strong feelings for her for a really long time. And then, you know, of course, we had a. We had a little. We kissed a little bit, we made out a little bit. And then, like I said, she stayed over Friday night.
Jeff
I think if he wants to salvage the friendship, then it's over. Like, he never asks her out again. He never. And Friday night is the night to never be spoke of.
Jen
I don't think he. I don't think they can do friends, though. I think he's too involved.
Melissa
Dwayne, I would say lay low, dude. Don't do anything. Hang out. I think she'd give you all. Silence could be gold in here. If you don't say anything or you don't call her and she doesn't call you, then you know how she feels about it over the next 48 hours.
Raj
Okay?
Melissa
Okay. Good luck. So that's. That was a little over our conversation with Dwayne the last time we had him on. And we're dying to find out what's been going on since then. Hey, Dwayne.
Noah
Hey.
Dwayne
How y' all doing this morning?
Melissa
How are you today, sir? How are you? Is the question.
Dwayne
Oh, I'm doing all right.
Melissa
You're not ecstatic, but you don't sound depressed.
Jen
Yeah, we're trying to read into how your tone.
Dwayne
No. Well, I ran into her yesterday afternoon and I asked her if she wanted to go out this weekend. So she said she wasn't really sure how her weekend was shaping up yet, and I should call her on Saturday.
Jen
So she said to call for you to call her on Saturday because she doesn't know how her weekend shaping up.
Dwayne
Yeah, exactly, Dwayne.
Jen
I think that she's freaked out because if a woman. Or man. But, you know, since it's usually the woman that's asked out if she's excited about you, then she's. She's gonna say yes. And I think that the. Well, let me see how my weekend is. Is a way. She doesn't want to hurt your feelings by saying no. And more than likely, you'll get a voicemail message on Saturday.
Lisa
Did you know that already?
Dwayne
Well, you know, I kind of felt like. I mean, I actually. I made some reservations for Saturday night and sort of started putting some plans together in the hopes that she'd be around and available.
Melissa
Oh, boy. This is not good.
Jeff
Even if she is around and available, you can't look like you were planning for her to be available if she is not committed. You know what I mean?
Melissa
So it comes back to the chase, man. I mean, if you're making yourself available and you answer on the half ring when she calls and stuff like that.
Jen
Yeah, this is. We're gonna have to perform an intervention on Dwayne because Dwayne is in love. And when you're in love, I mean, just a. If you get a dusting of attention, then you just are sucked right into it. And that's, you know, he's not thinking correctly, so we got to give him an intervention. And Dwayne, she's.
Melissa
She's some tough love.
Jen
Yeah, Dwayne, she's not. She's freaked out. She's a little regretful or confused about what happened, and she doesn't want to deal with it. And so I think that. I don't. I don't. I think she canceled those reservations.
Melissa
404-741-1005. Let me ask you guys this, though. Is she acting this way just because she's temporarily freaked out, or is she acting this way because she's really not interested? Because there are two totally different things here.
Lisa
I don't think.
Jen
I don't know what just came out of my mouth. Do you understand? Do you understand my monkey speak?
Melissa
Let's try it one more. Let's hear it one more time.
Jen
I don't know if I can recreate.
Melissa
That.
Jeff
Wasn't it.
Narrator/Advertiser
It was.
Jeff
It was. It was like.
Jen
That sounds like something completely different, right?
Jeff
That's what it sounds.
Jen
That's what Dwayne's hoping for.
Narrator/Advertiser
Yeah.
Jen
I don't know.
Melissa
Let's start with you.
Lisa
Gather your thoughts over there. Melissa.
Melissa
Well, she gets a hold of her uvula over there.
Jeff
Are you having another mini stroke?
Jen
I'm having another stroke.
Dwayne
Oh, my God.
Lisa
Oh, Mr. Sound Effect over there doesn't.
Raj
Have any room to talk to you about this.
Lisa
My thought. Dwayne honestly is that she decided to kind of dabble and figure out if she could have reciprocal feelings for you on Friday night. And I think that she's just decided that she doesn't. But you've been such good friends and such work great work companions for so long that she doesn't want to ruin the relationship. So I think at this point, don't force her to because you're trying to force her hand right now and she's trying to placate you and be nicey girl because you still have to work together. And I think she's realizing now that Friday night may have been a mistake in her boat and that she's gotta salvage some sort of friendship with you so that you can continue a working relationship. And if you force this hand, it's not going to be good. I just think that you've got to cut your losses. And the only shred that I would give to him is if he completely turned the other direction and started ignoring her. Maybe she might miss that attention.
Melissa
Exactly how I would play it. It's exactly, exactly how I would play it.
Jen
You would be surprised at a woman's reaction when she doesn't get attention.
Lisa
You just bet drop her like a bad habit and then she may come back around.
Melissa
Hey Lisa, you're on all the hits. Q100. Giving Dwayne advice that he didn't ask for.
Caller or Listener
I feel like he's just. She's just not that into him. She. When you're drunk, you're drunk and you know he was there.
Jen
How much did she have to drink?
Dwayne
I don't really. I don't think she really had. Had that much to drink.
Jen
And I'm not contradicting myself. I don't think alcohol is an excuse. But an alcohol is a way that some people dabble when they wouldn't. When they're sober in something they're tempted by. And now that she's sober again, I'm with Jen. I think she's wondering whether that was really something she wanted now that she's not hazy anymore.
Melissa
See, we could try to get this is typically women right here. You're getting very psychological answers from Melissa. Very in depth psychological answers from Jen. Here, let me just break it down for you because guys, we talk about what we know.
Jen
We're talking about a girl.
Melissa
Here's what we know. Here are the symptoms. Here's what we know. Melissa, we know she's turning the other cheek. We know that she's showing you everything she's showing you. If she's not interested. That's the only thing we know. We don't even need to know why that is. All you need to know is that is what's happening. She has shown you she's not interested. And that's why I think you take Jen's advice and you totally turn the other cheek and act disinterested. Because that appli. Then you've got two things going for you. A, you never really know why she's not into you, so you could put it on her and not on yourself. And secondly, like these guys said, it's the chase, man. Once she finds out when you're not around, all of a sudden you become a hot commodity. You're a gold bar at that point.
Jen
But you ha. You know. But my concern, Dwayne, again, because I'm factoring in the fact you're in love. That changes the game for you. That when you ignore her, you have to start letting her go too. Because if she does not turn around and chase you down, then you're letting go and you move on. If she turns around and chases you, then you deal with it then. But I'm afraid of him ignoring her complet just for the sake of getting her attention and then being disappointed again. It doesn't work out.
Melissa
Good morning, Matt, you're on with Dwayne.
Dwayne
Hey, guys.
Caller or Listener
I get so mad when people play these games. Look, you guys are both adults. And not that you're playing the game, Dwayne, but you guys are both adults. Just, you know what? Pin her down the hall or something or in the break room and say, look, you know, I had a great time Friday night, but I've noticed you've been kind of, you know, avoiding me a little bit. What's the deal here?
Dwayne
Can we be friends?
Caller or Listener
Are you interested?
Dwayne
What's going on?
Caller or Listener
That way you know what's going on, you know how to deal with it and you can just move on. You can either be friends or you can start a relationship or something.
Melissa
No way.
Caller or Listener
I don't think she should be playing.
Dwayne
The game of oh well, my.
Caller or Listener
I don't know how my weekend shape up. Just get some balls and tell him how he she feels.
Narrator/Advertiser
No way.
Melissa
I feel very strongly about this. I know we all say we're just looking for an authentic, honest relationship. That's crap. All right? There is always a certain amount of game playing that goes on in the beginning of a relationship. It is like a chess game.
Caller or Listener
But I don't think it should be that way. You know, find out what's going on. Ask her what's going on.
Jen
It's not going to work.
Caller or Listener
And that way he's. He's totally cool with what's going on, and he knows the guy is in love with her.
Jen
Worst thing he could do. Worse thing he could do.
Lisa
The reason I disagree with you, though, is they've still got to work together.
Melissa
Yeah, it's true.
Jen
And it's the worst thing, because even if she. Okay, let's say there's a speck in her mind thinking, well, let me think about this a little bit. You know, let me really consider this by. For. Like Jen said, by forcing her hand, putting her in a corner, a woman is never going to say, oh, my God, you're right. I'm in love with you too. No, she's gonna make her. It's gonna push her further away by putting any pressure on her because she's already confused.
Melissa
Hey, Brandi, you're on all the hits Q100 with Dwayne.
Caller or Listener
Hey, I actually think that he needs to just leave her alone and move on because she is not going to be into him. She is not gonna. She's already proved that she's not into him by saying that she doesn't know how her weekend is panning out. That's. Oh, if I don't have anything else planned and you call me on Saturday. Yeah, I'll go out with you.
Melissa
Oh, yeah, man. Women can sniff this out, too. She's like, oh, he's sitting by the phone right now. I am definitely not gonna call.
Jen
Well, and she's not gonna answer the phone Saturday. I don't know if you. Dwayne, you understand that? But when you call on Saturday, she's not gonna answer the phone. Like, you're gonna get voicemail.
Jeff
Seriously, the best thing, you know, what you could almost do is play the game back, because these women are wily sort. And what you need to do is like, I would almost place a phone call to her sometime on Friday or Saturday and say, hey, give me now. This could backfire. But say, hey, give me a call, and we'll figure something out for later today. Then don't answer your phone. Don't respond to phone calls. If she happens to email you, text message you nothing, let her. That's the way to take power back. Now, the problem is you leave that message, and then, you know, Saturday comes around, and you're sitting around waiting to ignore her, and she never gives you anything to ignore. Then your life is ruined.
Melissa
She's not gonna call back.
Jen
It's a Power struggle. It's a total. You know what? I understand Jeff's theory. Cause like, Jeff, I mean, like Bert was saying about, you know, the.
Jeff
Cause you're one of the wily sort.
Jen
But it is a power struggle. I mean, this is basically what this is. And she has all the power, and he's just gonna have to let it go.
Lisa
You know what I'm saying?
Melissa
In every relationship in the beginning, do I call her too soon? Do I call her too late? Should I accept his phone call? Should I make it like I'm going out with another guy on the weekend even though there's nobody there? It's all game playing in the beginning.
Jen
Right.
Lisa
You know, the thought I just had is that we play these games with men because they're simple and stupid, but you have to play these games with women.
Jen
Yes.
Lisa
Oh, my God, how complex that would be.
Melissa
That's a tough sword match.
Jen
Well, yeah. I mean, women, yeah, there's no swords. There's no swords involved. But I mean, yeah, women are women. They're not simple. You know, women are. Their minds are not simple. And she may be considering Dwayne. I mean, it is a possibility. Somewhere in her mind, Dwayne, she's thinking about it. But if it's not in the forefront of her mind, if it's not a priority to her, which obviously it's not, he can't push it to the front of her mind. He cannot push it. A man cannot force a woman into being liking you. It is that. It's like his was like fishing a bad analogy. But, you know, it's like, well, no, I'm not gonna do that. But it's like you, You. You're a little aggressive, then you back off, Then you're a little aggressive, and then you back off. I mean, it's a back and forth and back and forth to get a woman, rather than to think that you can just say, hey, I'm in love with you. Are you in love with me? And she say, yes.
Melissa
Hey, John?
Caller or Listener
Yeah?
Melissa
Good morning. You're on with Dwayne.
Caller or Listener
Hey, Dwayne, I gotta tell you, I was the same situation as you're in right now. I was totally chasing this girl. Then I was in college. We hung out together, we were friends, we all hung out together. And then we. At night, you know, we got together, we kissed, you know, whatever, like you did. And then I was totally chasing this chick. She was totally not even digging me. I was so upset. I was like, I can't believe this happened. We're friends and so my buddy came up to me one day, and he's like, man, you just gotta. You just gotta ignore her. And I. Obviously, I was in college, so I didn't have any, you know, try. You always think you have gay. But I would say, you know, I obviously wasn't, so I totally ignored her. Now we've been married for nine years.
Melissa
Is that right?
Jen
How long did it. What happened? I'm curious. What was the first move she made after you totally ignored her? Like, how did she approach you back?
Caller or Listener
Because we hung out the same crew one day, and she just came up one day. She's like, hey, what's going on? I was like, hey. And I just totally try to play cool. And she's like, you know, you haven't called me anything. I was like, oh, you know, I thought. You know, I was just. I kept. Thought I kept bugging you and stuff. And I was kind of. You know, I didn't know what to do. And she's like, oh, no. And that's just kind of how it happened.
Jen
Yeah. Yeah. Women. Yeah. It's telling you, dude, because once the attention is taken away from them, that's the worst thing you can do to a woman, is take attention away from her. Absolutely.
Melissa
This is the game that, like, Phil here, this frustrates me with him because he don't know how to play the game. Too honest, too soon. You know, same. Same deal here, Dwayne. You gotta play this game, dude. Forget about her. Forget about her.
Jen
You have to let her go.
Melissa
Let her go. And if it's authentic and she's not into you, it wasn't supposed to happen anyway, man.
Jeff
Right.
Jen
You know, I mean, I.
Lisa
You can do it.
Jen
I've waited four years for this one. I know. I've been behind you the whole time, Dwayne, but I think, you know, Friday night, that's cool. You made out worth it. That's great. That's an opportunity a lot of people don't get.
Melissa
And then you got up her shirt, dude.
Jen
And then now, yeah, you gotta walk away. But please don't call her Saturday and say that you had reservations for her, because that's just too. That's not. It's too much too soon.
Dwayne
Mm. You know, what if I just don't call her at all on Saturday?
Jen
That's exactly. Don't call her at all. Like, just you and Ear on out.
Lisa
Stop calling until she reaches out to you.
Jen
You got a working relationship, and that is it.
Melissa
The more you call her, the more you pursue her, the further you're gonna push her away from you because you're making yourself available. You become a hot commodity when you're something she can't obtain.
Dwayne
I gotcha. All right, well, then I'm rolling the dice and it's into the game we go.
Noah
That's right.
Melissa
Go get it, boy.
Narrator/Advertiser
Go get it.
Melissa
Go get it.
Jen
That's it.
Jeff
It's your Rudy clap.
Lisa
Yeah.
Jeff
We'Re really bad at the Rudy clap.
Melissa
Now, Dwayne, if our advice doesn't pan out for you, you can't have your sister call and chew our ass out, all right?
Jen
Or Roxy's mom.
Melissa
All right, man.
Jeff
Talk to you later.
Dwayne
Thanks, guys.
Melissa
Good luck, dude.
Jen
Good luck, Dwayne.
Raj
Get it.
Melissa
The Bird Show.
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Hey, it's Raj and Noah. And we're back with a new season of Am I Doing It Wrong? The show that explores the all too human anxieties we have about trying to get our lives right.
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Because we're still doing a lot of stuff wrong.
Raj
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Noah
We'll be talking to experts in their fields who are definitely doing things right. So the rest of us can be a bit wiser and a lot better equipped to handle whatever life throws at us.
Raj
Subscribe now and listen to new episodes of Am I Doing It Wrong? Dropping every Thursday starting January 1st, wherever you get your podcasts.
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Date: January 12, 2026
Cast: Bert Show team (Melissa, Jen, Jeff, Lisa), Dwayne (guest), Callers
In this episode, the Bert Show crew revisits the saga of Dwayne, a listener who has fallen in love with his co-worker after years of friendship and professional partnership. The episode captures the emotional complexities of Dwayne’s situation as he grapples with confession, mixed signals, and the intricate dance of early romance—especially when it overlaps with workplace dynamics. The cast and callers offer advice, commiserate, and sometimes josh about the highs and lows of loving someone you see at work every day.
"She was just playing it really cool ... which I can understand because, you know, we're at work and, you know, we don't want to cause a big scene." – Dwayne ([04:00])
Psychoanalysis vs. Simplicity ([07:20], [10:24]):
Game-Playing Dynamics ([12:11], [14:33]):
The Dangers of Forcing Her Hand ([12:41], [13:03]):
Brutal Honesty vs. The Game ([13:36]):
Women “Sniff It Out” ([13:22]):
Personal Testimony – Playing it Cool Worked ([15:49]):
“That's just kind of how it happened ... once the attention is taken away ... that's the worst thing you can do to a woman, is take attention away from her.” – John ([16:28])
Dwayne, conflicted, after being advised to lay low:
"You know, what if I just don’t call her at all on Saturday?" – Dwayne ([17:31])
"That’s exactly... Don’t call her at all. Just you and Ear on out." – Jen ([17:34])
On “The Game” & Relationship Power
"You become a hot commodity when you're something she can't obtain." – Melissa ([17:43])
"This is the game ... Too honest, too soon ... same deal here, Dwayne. You gotta play this game, dude." – Melissa ([16:51])
"It is a power struggle. I mean, this is basically what this is. And she has all the power, and he's just gonna have to let it go." – Jen ([14:26])
Female camaraderie on being “complex”
"We play these games with men because they're simple and stupid, but you have to play these games with women." – Lisa ([14:45])
"There’s no swords involved. Women are women. Their minds are not simple." – Jen ([14:57])
The conversation is fast-paced, layered with teasing, empathy, and first-hand wisdom. Though playful and irreverent, the team is truly invested in helping Dwayne—and listeners—sift through the messiness of workplace romance dynamics. The mix of warm support and gentle ribbing is classic morning radio style.
This episode of The Bert Show uses Dwayne’s real-life romantic dilemma as a springboard for candid, often funny debate about love, work, and the early days of potential relationships. The message: When it comes to romance (especially at work), sometimes the best move is restraint. Dwayne is encouraged to stop pursuing his co-worker and focus on moving on—if she’s interested, she’ll make the next move.
You’ll come away understanding both the emotional rollercoaster and practical anxieties of confessing to a co-worker, plus get a dose of relatable, sometimes blunt relationship advice—with plenty of laughs along the way.