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No missed calls, no missed customers. Hey, the Birch Show. All right, Sally, let's get her back on here. It was about a week ago. We asked on a Friday, if you really think you have this nagging feeling that you are going to be broken up with this weekend and give us a call. Sally called us up and she said, I know this is going to happen. And then we checked back in with her on Monday and she confirmed that, yeah, her intuition was right. Here's kind of a combination of both of those calls.
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We've been dating almost three years, and he said that he was planning on proposing this summer, but he's not sure if he loves me like a best friend or if he loves me like a future wife. And he said that he just wants to figure things out. He said, oh, yeah, you know, I'll see you on Friday. It'll, you know, I'm sure everything will be fine.
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Let's get a little history here. Now, you said you have been dating for three years?
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Yep.
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And how old are you?
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I'm 23.
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Did you guys meet in college?
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Yep. Sure did.
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You did? Is it the Typical story. He was in a fraternity. You were in the sorority?
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Yes.
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Is it one of those arrangements where you're not living together, but all of his stuff is over at your house? And he basically is living there, but he's probably got his own place that.
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He'S at, Pretty much.
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He was due over at what time?
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7.
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7 o'. Clock. He got there at what time?
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6:30. And he brought dinner, and we ate dinner just like normal. But after that, we sat on the couch for a while, and he kind of looked at me, and I said, okay, I know. I know it's coming. Go ahead. I know you've got something to say. And he just said that just this past few weeks, he is not so sure anymore if I'm a future wife or if I'm just a best friend. That lasted about 15 minutes. And he said, well, I think I should be going. And he stood up, and I stood up and I looked him in the eye and I said, you are not calling the shots anymore. Sit down.
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Brilliant.
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And so he sat down, and I bombarded him with questions for about 45 minutes after that.
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Yeah, women need closure, that's for sure.
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Yep. We definitely had to do the walk around the apartment, and he took all of his things. I said, you know, is there another girl? Of course. And he said, no, no, definitely not. Every time you said you loved me, did you mean it, or, you know, were you just saying that, you know, at the time? And he said he meant it.
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All right. So I think she really handled that really well.
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I do, too.
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Really, really well.
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She got instant closure so she can move on.
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Right.
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She claims you've gotten instant closure, but she still could have been, you know, shocked. Like, when you get your arm cut off, you still think it's there for a while.
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Like a lizard. The tail is kind of like, behind it five feet. It's still moving.
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Yeah.
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If you guys had to make the prediction right now, do you think she called or they talked to each other sometime over the last seven days? And if so, who called who?
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I'm gonna say no.
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No.
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I'm gonna go with yes. And he called her.
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I was gonna say the same thing. He called just to see if she was okie dokie.
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I think she slept.
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Good.
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Morning, Sally.
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I do not want to be associated with Tammy.
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How you been doing over the last week?
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I'm okay. I'm not wonderful, but I'm alive and I'm still here, so. And actually, all of y' all are wrong. I actually ended up calling him.
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Damn It.
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Damn it.
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Damn it. Why didn't you call us before you did that?
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What's wrong with you?
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Why didn't you call us? Was it a moment of weakness or what?
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No, I called him. I had gone out with my girlfriends one night, and I was driving home, and I wanted to call him and just say, you know what? I'm okay.
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He doesn't care.
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How many drinks did you have before you made that call?
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I'm not sure, but I also wanted to get some of my things back because he still has my things at his apartment.
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Sally, Sally.
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An excuse Now, Sally, when I'm curious what night? Because we talked to you.
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Okay, he broke.
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He broke up on Friday. When did you call him? What night was it?
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Okay, if you want to know the truth, I guess we probably talked Monday, Tuesday and today already.
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You've talked three times already this week.
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Yeah, but, I mean, it wasn't. Well, the first one was awful. I was almost in tears after. After I talked to him on Monday.
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All right, let's break these down. Let's. Let's slow it down for just a second. Okay? So Monday was the day after you went out with all your friends, or that was just a spontaneous call?
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Yeah, Monday, I think it was the night that I went out with some of my girlfriends, and I called him.
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Afterwards just to say, you're okay.
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I want to let you know that you're probably busy putting on a condom right now or something for some girl you just met, but I'm okay.
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Stop. Now. She was.
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I called him. I mean, and I left a message, and, you know, my message just said, you know, you don't call me back. I just want to let you know that I'm doing okay just in case he cared. And he actually called me back the next day and said, hey, I saw that you called. I'm sorry I missed it. And I asked him. I was like, you know, did you get my message? You didn't have to return my call. And he said, no, I didn't get your message, but I just want to see how you were doing. So the next day, we actually, you know, chit chatted, I guess, for a little while. And it was. It was better.
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What do you mean by better?
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Well, it was almost normal, but, I mean, I guess that's probably. It was as if we were friends.
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You guys are just in the routine of talking to each other every day for three years. It's like breaking that. Breaking that routine.
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Yeah, well, he's my best friend. Not even.
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Sally, He's Not.
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He can't be. He can't be.
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He can't be.
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Oh, God.
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We got more, but he was for the last three years, so we got.
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Jen Fallon Part two on our hands.
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Well, yeah.
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At this point, he cannot be your best friend. You know that, right? Like, I mean, there has to be some space here for you to heal before I.
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Look, I know that, but his words were, you know, on Friday, when he called it off, he said, you know, I'd like to still keep you as my best friend. And I even.
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Sally, he's trying to get the best of both worlds. He's trying to get the best of both worlds.
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Sally. I missed that. You said that that was or was not possible.
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I told him it was not possible.
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Okay, good.
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I guess you haven't backed it up.
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Hey, Sally, when are you guys going to see each other next?
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Well, he's coming over to bring my things.
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Don't you sleep with him. Do not.
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No. No, no, no.
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Wanna bet?
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It's not gonna happen. You're not gonna happen.
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You want to bet?
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Yeah, it's not gonna happen. It's not gonna be anything like that.
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I don't even think I should be.
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I don't even think you should be there. Yeah, I think you should put all of his stuff in a box and set it out. Have him come on over and get it. That way. There's no. There's no reason for you to see him. It's over.
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He has all his things in my apartment. He just has to bring some of my things over.
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Right. So there's no reason for you to be there. He could just put them in, like, one of those plastic tubs from Target, you know, Put it all in there, leave it on your step. Right? I mean, it's Easter. You guys are gonna be looking for eggs one minute and rolling around in the sack the next.
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I mean, Sally, I mean, it's like you quit smoking, but you're taking drags on cigarettes every day, going, you know, but I quit.
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I quit.
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I put a cigarette on your hand.
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Only when I'm drunk.
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Yeah, I mean. And three. I mean, it's.
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It.
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It's. One thing about a breakup is you have to know that you have to go through the pain. You just have to. Or the. Or you're just gonna. You're. All you're doing is putting off the pain, prolonging it.
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Oh, I've gone through the pain.
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No, you haven't. No, you haven't. You are prolonging the inevitable, and so you are just Gonna have to go through the pain and push through it in order to get to the other side. And then, you know, and then you'll be over. You're not doing that. You're not even facing it yet.
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Well, I. Okay, I do disagree because I have spent my time crying, and I've gone through anger, and I felt, you know, I think, all the emotions you're supposed to feel when this happens. And I think I'm okay because I've actually had some other things happen in my life recently, and it really puts it in perspective.
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Did you make out with a girl.
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Sleep night at Jamie Tilly?
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No.
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My grandfather got ill suddenly, and so he was in the hospital. And then I had a friend pass away just this past week, too. So I guess it's really. It was terrible timing, but it's really helped me put this in perspective a lot.
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See, now I'm curious to what your perspective is, because to me, if those things happened in my life, around me, that would be a lesson of you have to live every moment to the fullest right now. And if things aren't working out, then move on quickly. And it sounds like to me that you're doing just the opposite of that. You're still kind of like, holding on. You know.
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I guess I'm. I mean, I can. I guess I can see where I'm holding on.
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Let me answer for her, Bert. You know what, Bert? You make a great point, but it doesn't apply to what I want to do right now. So I'm going to choose to ignore your great point exactly. And tell you that I am living my life to the fullest by remaining friends and occasionally having sex with the man who broke up with me.
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I want to go over the stages of a breakup according to one website that I think is pretty much right on. Okay.
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Okay.
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Stage one that I think we're hearing today is called denial. First stage involves you not accepting the current situation. Would you agree that you are not accepting the current situation?
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No, I think I've already been denial. I think I'm in acceptance. Okay. But I have been through anger. I know. That's one of them.
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All right, that's coming up. That's coming up.
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All right.
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Okay. Denial. Wait, let me ask her one. I'm sorry, Bert, to interrupt. So what do you have planned on Sunday? Are you. What. What meal do you plan to make for Sunday?
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I'm not making any meal. He's just dropping by my apartment to drop off my things.
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Will you do any extra preparation that involves a Razor.
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I guess I'll have to wait and see on Sunday.
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So anyway, going back to. Going back to Bert's list. Yes. You're in denial. Go ahead.
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Do you know what? Yeah. Do you know what you're going to wear on Sunday?
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No, but it will look good.
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Why?
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Because he should look at me and say, man, I'm missing out.
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And then what if he says, man, I am missing out? You know what? Let me get that one more time. Cause it's Easter. It's a special occasion. I listen to the bird show. Jen hobbies says, on all religious holidays, I'm supposed to get sex. So you know what?
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And I know she's already done some cleanup.
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You're sure you would say no?
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I think I would definitely say no.
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I think I'm not. Okay. What about Den in a denial? Denial of the denial bird.
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Is that in there? So she's in stage one?
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No, but she may be, like, leading us right into stage two, which is called out of control. This is the stage where you make a fool out of yourself by embarrassing yourself.
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Oh, I already did that.
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And that was probably the phone calls. But it will also happen if you have sex with him this weekend.
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No, I. I mean, I already did.
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What did you do?
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Well, I kind of didn't. I guess I was still in shock. And so this is awful, and I know all my friends are listening, but I drove over to his apartment the next day at 7am and just called him when I was outside his door and I said, come let me in. I mean, it was very embarrassing now, but I guess at the time I thought, this can't possibly be happening. I'm sure he's changed his mind.
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So what did you do? You called him to the door? Did he come to the door?
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He did. He let me in and we talked for a few minutes and he said, you have to go.
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I feel. I feel bad. Yeah, I feel bad. I wish you wouldn't have gone over there, though. I feel bad.
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I do too. But I'm through that stage.
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You're past the out of control stage?
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Yes.
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Until she's like, hanging out.
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Until he comes on Sunday.
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No, until she's like at one end of the bar, a twist or something, and she's hanging out and with a couple girlfriends, and then she looks across the bar and sees him there talking to another girl. And then we get out of control in public. Because what you've done now is out of control and private.
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Yeah, these stages don't happen like, I think a day at a Time. I think that they take a while. Like, you're going to be going through denial and out of control, I think, for a while. But as soon as you get out of those two, what you have to look forward to is loneliness and depression, which is stage number three. It says, this is the worst stage. It's the first time that it really starts to sink into you that you're going to be alone and you realize that you have no one to hug you or comfort you and stuff like that. All the sappy love songs on the radio are gonna start making a lot of sense to you.
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I used to turn the channel when, you know, during our breakup. Like, I would not watch soap operas. I would not watch those jewelry commercials or those, you know, any of the commercials that included. Because most commercials include couples and families and stuff, and I would.
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Yes, they do. It's so sickening.
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I know There were times that I literally turned the TV off when. Because I was in that stage.
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And it's like every song on the radio is speaking to you.
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You know, it's like that Neo song we play. That's so sick song.
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So where he's got to change the calendar. He's got to. That's exactly what it is.
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Stage number four is the blame phase. This is where you analyze every part of the relationship and you think about it over and over and what you could have done differently.
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I've done that.
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You beat yourself up for nagging him too much or not being romantic enough. You just start analyzing it over and over again.
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She's trying to push through. She hadn't been through the loneliness, Bert. You know, I've been through that, Bert.
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Go right to the last phase. Go to the one where totally moved on looking for other things. I'm so there, Bert. You don't even understand. Like, maybe. Okay, at the start of this phone.
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Call stage, I did get to the onely state, the one Lena stage, but.
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For what, six hours?
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Amazing support group of friends that were all there for me. So, you know, when I did need a hug, you know, they came over with ice cream or they made me a cheesecake. Pick me out the coffee.
B
So, Sally, you're aware this happened seven days ago?
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Yeah. You haven't. Hey, Sally, I don't think you've scratched the surface.
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Is this your first big breakup?
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Yeah.
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Okay, okay, okay.
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Phase five, just so you're ready for it, is anger.
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I've done that.
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Okay. I mean, you're. You're over this guy. It is. Ready to have sex with somebody else.
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Yeah.
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Exactly.
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Anger is the. Actually, it says it's a decent stage to be at. You're no longer blaming yourself. The downside of all this is that you have. You overblow all of their bad traits and you just start now remembering how bad the relationship was, you know? Then in six, you start accepting situation.
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I didn't even hear it. And I've done it. I've done it. You don't even tell me, Bert. I don't even want to know. What staked is I've done it.
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Accepting the situation. You're coming to peace with the situation, accepting the finality of the whole thing. And then seven is healing and moving on. It's the final stage and you finally get over the relationship. You're like, yeah, I mean, you're like.
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You'Re in an early one.
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Yeah.
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I wish my friends with Colin to vouch for me. I really have. I've really done well. But the anger, I mean, I guess the blaming him stage is not something I can go through because I do really think he's still a great guy, even if it's not for me or even if he's not a great guy with me. You know, I can't blame him because he was honest with me. He didn't do anything like Jimmy and. And things like that.
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This is almost what makes it worse, is that you'll want to keep coming back and keep coming back because it didn't end, like, badly for you. Like, you're gonna have to wait to see him making out with another woman or you're gonna have to get so hurt so badly to where it just kind of like jump starts you into healing. Because it didn't end badly really.
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It might be after one of those out of control episodes that Jeff is predicting will happen in public. Yeah.
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Okay. Yeah.
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Sally, can you make a commitment to us that you will not call him all weekend?
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Well, his family's in town, so. Yeah, okay, fine. I can do that.
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His family is in town.
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His family's in Atlanta.
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So what does that have to do with you calling?
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Well, I'm good friends with his family.
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No, you're not. Not anymore. You're not. No, you're not.
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Not anymore.
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Sally, do you know what a breakup is?
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This is hard. This is our first one.
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I know. I'm just asking. I'm not. I'm not. Sally. I'm not trying. I'm just trying to be tough.
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I do, but it's. I mean, it's been three years and.
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So, just so you know, you're not friends with this family anymore. Like, when you break up, like, the whole thing goes. And I don't need all the emails from the freaks out there. Like, I dated guy 5 years. I'm still best friends with sister. Well, you're an idiot.
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Just keep his family and not him.
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No, that's not fair.
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Yeah, I mean, think about the pain you'll have to go through if you do that.
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I mean, his family.
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It's his family. I mean, they're gonna tell you stories about them or you guys are gonna avoid an uncomfortable conversation about them.
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I think it's just rude.
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Yeah.
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That is his family.
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Okay, the truth is, you're not ready to. You're not ready to move on yet. So you're digging.
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I am. I'm ready.
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No, you're not. Honey, you can do it, but you've got to start doing these things that we're trying to help you with. Like, not call him.
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I won't call him.
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Promise.
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Well, he told me to call him on Sunday so that I can tell him when I'm home so he can bring my things over.
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Sally, you know what? Don't call him on Sunday at all. You don't need. You don't need your stuff. Get them from him next week. Blow him off on Sunday.
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Okay.
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See if you can do it.
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Promise.
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I try.
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You have to. Do you have friends that you can call? We might have to talk to her best friend.
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Yep. Yeah. She needs what, an aa, don't you. Wait. A sponsor.
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Sponsor.
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You need a sponsor?
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A breakup sponsor. She needs a sponsor.
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Okay. I mean, I can do it. I can do it.
B
And if you not. You need to tell your best friend about this conversation. And you need to tell her that you could. You might call her at three in the morning, but you're gonna call her instead of calling him.
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Well, I'm sure. I'm sure my best friend's listening anyway, so.
B
All right, well, if your real best.
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Friend, you'll be her sponsor, are one.
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Of us willing to be another sponsor to her over the weekend also?
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Yeah, I'll be a sponsor.
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Okay. You'll give her your cell phone number and if she feels weak, she can call you before.
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Absolutely.
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Okay.
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I really promise. I mean, I have amazing group of girlfriends especially, that will be there for me, so.
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I don't need you, Jen.
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I don't want to put you out at all. Like, I really will be fine.
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Sally.
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Sally.
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Yes.
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I'm gonna put you on now.
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What you need to do is you need to ceremoniously delete him from your cell phone.
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Well, I have his number memorized, so.
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But you still need to get it out of speed dial. It doesn't.
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She's not ready.
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Well, first you're not ready. But the thing about the name and the cell phone, even though you know the number, there is something, like Jen said, symbolic about taking their name out. So that when the number shows up on the phone, like, it's a little more impersonal, just a little more chip away from letting it go.
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All right, maybe we're throwing too much stuff at ya. I mean. Cause this is your first breakup, and we're asking you to do so many things. Let's ask her to do just one thing.
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No communication by calling. Like, you know what that means. No text messaging either. Like, no communication. We know we. No email. No text messaging, no leaving a note on his door. No communication with him until you talk to us again on Monday morning.
C
Okay.
D
And if he calls you, it has to go to voicemail. Do not answer the phone.
C
Okay, I can do that.
A
All right, I'm gonna put you on hold. Chen Hobby's gonna give you her cell phone number also. And when you feel weak, you call her.
C
Why are y' all doing this to bed? He called yesterday. He. He needs to get this, too.
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Well, he got his closure. He absolutely got his closure. He was ready for it. You're not.
C
I have my closure.
A
No, you do not. See, that's what I'm saying. You're not. Sally, Sally, you still need help, and it's okay. It's just been a week. It's just been a week.
C
I know. I know, but I think. I mean, I'm not crying anymore, so.
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That'S a nice little baby step.
B
You will. This weekend. Three days.
C
I can. I can go all weekend and not call. That's not a problem.
A
All right, three days, no calling. I'm Put you on hold. Okay.
C
Okay.
A
All right, hold on.
C
Okay.
A
So she's on hold. You'll give her the cell phone number?
D
Yeah.
A
Okay. J. Sally. That girl.
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Thank you.
B
I don't hear anything. Do you hear anything worse?
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Sally? I don't know what she's talking about.
B
What are you saying there? What are you talking about?
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Predictions. Can she go three days without.
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Absolutely not.
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Can she do it?
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She can do it.
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I don't think so either.
B
It's a weekend.
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She will call his family and she will see him on Sunday. There'll be more than one phone call exchange.
B
You know what? Let me. Can I ask her one more question before I give her my answer.
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Hey, Sally.
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Hey, Sally.
C
Yeah.
B
Hey, do you have plans this weekend?
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Yes, I'm absolutely going home this weekend, so I'm not even gonna be in Atlanta.
B
Okay. Where is home?
C
South Carolina.
B
And are you gonna see friends from South Carolina?
C
Probably.
B
So you meet him at a bar?
C
Yeah.
B
So there might be like a margarita or beer involved.
C
Wine, probably.
B
She's gonna call him alcohol.
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All right, Sally, hold on one second. All right, Sally.
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That girl.
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Hey, the bird show.
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Morning, Zoe.
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Got donuts. Jeff Bridges.
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Why are you still living above our garage?
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Well, I dig the mattress, and I.
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Want to be in a T mobile commercial like you. Teach me. So, Dana.
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Oh, no, I'm not really prepared.
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I couldn't possibly at T Mobile get the new iPhone 17 Pro on them.
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It's designed to be the most powerful.
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Iphone yet and has the ultimate pro camera system.
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Wow.
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Impressive. Let me try. T mobile is the best place to get iPhone 17 Pro because they've got the best network.
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Nice.
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Jeffrey, you heard them. T Mobile is the best place to get the new iPhone 17 Pro on us with eligible trade in in any condition. So what are we having for launch?
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Dude, my work here is done.
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Date: November 3, 2025
Host & Cast: Bert, Kristin, Abby, Cassie, Tommy, and full Bert Show team
Episode Theme: Navigating post-breakup heartbreak with honesty, humor, and advice
This episode revisits listener Sally’s breakup saga—a real-time, emotionally raw account of the aftermath of her three-year relationship ending. The show features Sally’s calls both before and after her breakup, her honest reflections, and unfiltered guidance from the hosts. Listeners get a candid “inside-out” look at processing heartbreak, the urge for closure, and the rocky road of moving forward. With compassion, tough love, and signature humor, the cast coaches Sally (and listeners by proxy) through the stages of letting go.
True to The Bert Show’s style, the conversation mixes empathy, hilarity, and brutal honesty. Sally is simultaneously supported and challenged, with the hosts acting as spirited friends (and occasional “sponsors”) to keep her on the right path. The messiness of heartbreak is embraced rather than sanitized; Sally’s candor about struggling, making mistakes, and wrestling with recurring feelings makes the “therapy session” universal and relatable—reminding listeners, as always, they’re not alone.