Vault: She's In Her 20s And NEVER Had Been On A Date!

Summary

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Podcast Summary: The Bert Show

Episode Title: Vault: She’s In Her 20s And NEVER Had Been On A Date!
Release Date: January 14, 2026
Host: The Bert Show Cast (Pionaire Podcasting)

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Episode Overview

This episode revisits the ongoing story of Dana, a 27-year-old woman who, until recently, had never been on a date. The episode explores her whirlwind entry into dating, beginning with her parents setting her up with a 58-year-old man, Carl, and the challenges she's faced as their relationship quickly accelerates. The show features reactions from the cast and callers as Dana navigates intense emotions, second thoughts, and the pressures of her first romantic relationship—all while grappling with issues of age difference, inexperience, and personal growth.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Dana’s Unique Situation and Recap

• [01:20] Host summarizes Dana’s journey:
  • At 27, she’d never been out on a date.
  • Her parents set her up with Carl (58 years old).
  • Their relationship progressed rapidly—talks of moving in and having children.
  • On a vacation with Carl, Dana meets a younger, attractive man by the pool (her own age) and is struck by the attention.

“I can’t believe I’m talking to this cute guy, because…this wouldn’t have happened seven months ago.” — Dana [02:59]

2. Reactions from the Show and Predictions

• After replaying their last call with Dana, the hosts and callers make bold predictions about her next steps:
  • Will Dana date the young guy or stay with Carl?
  • Some joke about her marrying Carl or even adopting children with him.
  • Others wonder if she wimped out and stayed with Carl out of comfort and nurture.

“She either married to the old guy or she completely dumped him and started seeing the younger guy.” — Host [04:07]

• The cast jokes light-heartedly about possible scenarios, poking fun at Carl’s age and eccentric habits, insinuating wild or unexpected events on their Bahamas trip.

“I think that their last day down in the Bahamas, she probably walked in and caught Matlock giving himself a vegetable enema…” — Caller [05:30]

3. Dana's Big Decision

• [06:01] Dana rejoins the show for an update:
  • She tells Carl about meeting the young man but, due to Carl’s sad reaction, decides not to pursue the new connection.
  • Dana admits her decision was motivated by not wanting to hurt or lose Carl.
  • She reflects honestly about some regret and lingering curiosity about what she might have missed with the younger man.

“I kind of have been thinking about it…just wondering if I made the right decision, if I should have gone out with him…” — Dana [07:26]

4. Feeling Bored—Normal or a Red Flag?

• Dana reveals she's started feeling bored with Carl.
  • She expresses a desire to spend July 4th with her girlfriends instead of going on a trip with him, craving more space.

“I kind of want to hang out with my girlfriends…but I already talked to him about going to New York…I'm just sort of thinking right now if I should stay home with my girlfriends or go with him.” — Dana [08:20]

• The hosts discuss the honeymoon phase and whether Dana’s boredom is a warning sign or just part of normal relationship progression.

“It’s so hard because you have no experience to fall back on…this guy still bores me to tears, you know?” — Host [11:54]

5. Callers Weigh In: The Age Gap vs. Inexperience

• Some callers urge Dana to date around before settling, highlighting the potential pitfalls of letting her first-ever romantic partner become her life partner.

“Anybody who went out on their first date, one date, and then decided that's the person they want to spend the rest of their life with is wrong. Like, don't do that…” — Caller [15:03]

• Others emphasize that the core issue isn’t Carl’s age, but Dana’s lack of dating experience.

“Can we please take the age out of this and remember that Dana is dating her first person ever…even if she was 21 and the guy was 22…” — Caller [14:13]

6. Dana’s Uncertainty and Growth

• Despite all the input, Dana is unsettled:
  • She likes Carl but isn’t ready to end things just because she’s bored.
  • She’s unsure about her plans for July 4th, torn between Carl and her friends.

“I still really like Carl... I’m not ready to say, because I’m feeling a little bit bored, that I want this to stop.” — Dana [15:38]

• The cast notes a change in Dana’s demeanor: more mature, less giddy than before—showing real growth through her experiences.

“I thought when we've…talked to her about Carl, she’s been like…giggly and giddy, and this time she’s like, ‘Yeah, I’m not so sure.’” — Caller [16:29]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On sudden attention:
  “I can’t believe I’m talking to this cute guy…if this would have happened, like, seven months ago…I just felt like this wouldn’t have happened.” — Dana [02:59]

• On moving too fast:
  “A couple of weeks ago, you were talking about marrying this guy and having kids with him, and now you’re saying you’re kind of bored…” — Host [10:07]

• On her friends’ advice:
  “They still don’t like me going out with him…sometimes I don’t talk to them about it because I know what they’re going to say…” — Dana [09:33]

• On relationship firsts:
  “Anybody who…decided that’s the person they want to spend the rest of their life with is wrong. Like, don’t do that. That’s a bad idea.” — Caller [15:03]

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Key Timestamps

• [01:20] — Recap of Dana’s journey: first relationship, rapid progression.
• [02:11] — Dana recounts meeting the younger man in the Bahamas.
• [03:12] — Dana’s reflections on her unexpected romantic predicament.
• [04:07] — Cast predictions about her future.
• [05:30] — Joking predictions about wild scenarios.
• [06:01] — Dana’s major update: she stayed with Carl.
• [07:26] — Dana admits lingering thoughts about the young man.
• [08:13] — Dana’s growing boredom with the relationship.
• [10:07] — Discussion of moving from honeymoon phase to reality.
• [14:13] — Callers debate the real issue: age gap or inexperience?
• [16:29] — Cast notices Dana’s matured voice and outlook.

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Takeaways

• Dana’s story illustrates the complications that come with a late start in dating: accelerated emotions, uncertainty, and the pressure of first experiences.
• Despite advice and differing opinions, Dana remains indecisive about her next steps, embodying the awkward but authentic confusion of a first relationship.
• Both the hosts and callers recognize that her situation is less about the age difference and more about her need to explore and define her own romantic preferences—before making major commitments.

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Next Update: The cast promises to check in with Dana after July 4th to see what she ultimately decided and how she's feeling about her relationship moving forward.

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Transcript

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[Dana]

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[Host/Interviewer]

Hey, the bird show we started with Dana a long time ago. 27 years old, had never been out on a date before. Her parents set her up with a 58 year old guy. All of a sudden, this relationship, like, I mean, accelerates so fast. She falls in love with this guy, he's talking about having kids with this guy, talking about moving in with this guy. Well, the last time we check in with Dana, she goes on vacation with the old guy and he's up in his hotel room, probably sleeping or whatever, or eating something that he put in a blender. Either way, she's down at the pool just hanging out, and she meets a guy her own age. And this is the first time she's ever gotten any kind of attention from anybody. So she's all smitten by the guy. Here's about 90 seconds of the last conversation we had with Dana.

[Dana]

The trip was great. It was beautiful there and he got an amazing room for us. You know what's funny though, is that actually one day, whenever he was gambling and stuff, I was hanging out by the pool. And I started talking to this guy. And the reason why we started talking is because I heard his accent, you know, and I was like, oh, are you from the South? And he said, yeah, I'm from Atlanta.

[Raj]

And.

[Dana]

And I was like, that's where I'm from, too. And so we just started talking, and he's really, really attractive, like, really cute guy. He's like 30 years old. And so we just started talking about stuff about Atlanta that we loved and what we were doing in the Bahamas, what we like to do while we were there, and, you know, just stuff like that. And so we exchanged phone numbers and emails, but he was really, really cute. So. And it was just funny. I was like, I can't believe I'm talking to this cute guy, because if this would have happened, like, seven months ago, this. I mean, I just felt like this wouldn't have happened seven months ago. But here I dating Carl, and now this cute guy wants to talk to me. It was just really bizarre.

[Host/Interviewer]

What do you think you're going to do with this whole situation? You think you'll start returning the emails? You think you're going to talk to Matlock?

[Dana]

I feel like I kind of do want to just go out with him just once, just to make sure and just to see. And I really think that Carl, like I said, he's such a gentleman. He's so great to me. And I think that if I'm honest with him, you know, I don't think you'd have a problem with me just making sure since we've talked about commitment and, you know, I feel like he would want me to, you know, do whatever I need to do to make sure first.

[Host/Interviewer]

All right, Dana, well, let's check back in with you again next week.

[Dana]

Okay.

[Host/Interviewer]

That was a couple of weeks ago. And let's try to make predictions here on what we think is going to happen with Dana here. Hey, Tiffany, why don't you start it?

[Raj]

Hi. I either think that she is dating.

[Dana]

The guy she met at the pool.

[Raj]

Or she married Matlock.

[Host/Interviewer]

Well, I mean, she what?

[Caller/Commentator]

Married Matlock?

[Host/Interviewer]

Married Matlock.

[Caller/Commentator]

One or the other polar opposites.

[Host/Interviewer]

So she's either married to the old guy or she completely dumped him and started seeing the younger guy.

[Raj]

Yeah, it could happen. I married my first boyfriend.

[Host/Interviewer]

Okay. 404-741-1005 I think that she talked to.

[Caller/Commentator]

Him about dating other people. He said it was fine, but probably had that, you know, something in his voice making it sound like he was threatened and that she, because she is Such a nurturer for him and wants to take care of him. And she's into this so heavily that I think they're engaged.

[Host/Interviewer]

Engaged?

[Caller/Commentator]

Oh, wow.

[Host/Interviewer]

All right.

[Caller/Commentator]

I think that she just wimped out of going out with the younger guy because she didn't want to risk losing the relationship with the older guy. So I think she's still dating Matlock. I don't think that they're like that much further along, but I don't think she went out with the younger guy, Jeff.

I think that she is married to the older guy and they have adopted two children from China.

[Noah]

Hmm.

[Host/Interviewer]

Damn, you stole mine. I think the old guy turned this into a little his and his and hers. That's what I think happened there in the Bahamas.

[Raj]

Really?

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah, that's what I think. I think it was some serious, serious, crazy sex.

[Caller/Commentator]

If he was a 58 year old playboy, that might be the one thing he's never done.

[Host/Interviewer]

Hey, CJ, you're on all the Hits Q100. Hi.

[Raj]

Hey, guys. How are y'?

[Caller/Commentator]

All?

[Host/Interviewer]

Good, man. Make a prediction here. We got Dana on hold. She's ready to go.

[Caller/Commentator]

Go.

[Host/Interviewer]

All right.

[Raj]

I think that their last day down in the Bahamas, she probably walked in and caught Matlock giving himself a vegetable enema and has now decided to move in with the young guy.

[Host/Interviewer]

A vegetable enema? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. That was going to be my second thing.

[Caller/Commentator]

I thought that could be a part.

Of the threesome though, like washing yourself out with potatoes. Like how does that.

[Host/Interviewer]

I don't know. I don't know.

[Caller/Commentator]

Hmm.

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[Host/Interviewer]

Maybe we just go right to Dana. Hey, Dana.

[Dana]

Hey.

[Host/Interviewer]

Good morning.

[Raj]

Good morning.

[Host/Interviewer]

You're not gonna tell us anything that has to do with a vegetable animal, are you?

[Raj]

No.

[Host/Interviewer]

Okay, good. Alright. So the last time we talked to you, you're in the Bahamas, the old dude is up sleeping. You're down at the pool. You start hanging out with, luckily, some dude from Atlanta. Young guy giving you some attention, and you're really starting to have some questions now. Should I start dating somebody my own age? If so, how am I gonna handle this? Or should I just go with Carl and forget about the temptation of a young guy? Where we at?

[Dana]

Well, I told Carl, you know, that I met this guy from Atlanta by the pool and he. I don't know, he just. He didn't really have the response I.

[BetterHelp Narrator]

Thought he would have.

[Dana]

I think he kind of felt sort of sad about it or something. So I just didn't, you know, I didn't Go out with the other guy. I just told him that he, you know, talked to me and that, you know, we got along really well and stuff like that. So I just. Just by his reaction, I didn't go out with the other guy.

[Host/Interviewer]

So you didn't want to lose Carl?

[Dana]

Yeah.

[Host/Interviewer]

And you could tell that he was upset, so you didn't want to tempt that at all.

[Dana]

Yeah, I didn't. I just didn't even go any further with it. But I just. I told him, you know, that we talked and stuff, but I just didn't go any further with it.

[Host/Interviewer]

Now, I'm just curious. Since you made that decision and you decided not to call the young dude, have you been thinking about him more? Because sometimes when you pass something like that up and you don't get a chance to explore it, it starts to consume you a little bit.

[Dana]

Yeah, I mean, I kind of have. I kind of have been thinking about it, just wondering if, you know, I made the right decision, if I should have gone out with them, you know. So, yeah, I have thought about it. It's not consuming me or anything, but, I mean, I just. I have thought about it.

[Caller/Commentator]

Now, what if Carl turns around eventually and he wants to come to you and says, you know what, Maybe you're all right earlier. Maybe we should start seeing other people. Would you be bitter about the fact that you made the sacrifice for him?

[BetterHelp Narrator]

Um.

[Dana]

No, I don't guess I would be bitter about it. I mean, I don't know.

[Raj]

Then I would probably.

[Dana]

I don't know. I wouldn't say bitter, but I might be like, oh, man, I should have, you know, I should have done that. But I don't think I'd be bitter about it.

[Host/Interviewer]

So have things progressed at all? Good God, have they progressed? How can they progress with Clark?

[Dana]

I mean, we. What I wanted to do was I wanted to take him to New york over the 4th of July just as a thank you, you know, for taking me to the Bahamas. And, you know, so we are, you know, we're supposed to talk about going, but I kind of. The way I've been feeling lately is I kind of. I don't know, I don't want to go to the, you know, to the 4th of July weekend in New York. I kind of just want to hang out with my girlfriends because everybody's going to Linux and. I don't know, I just. I'm sort of. Sometimes I kind of think right now I just want a little bit more space because Carl's kind of getting sometimes a little bit Boring to me. You know what I mean? Like, not. I don't feel that way completely, but I just. I kind of want to hang out with my girlfriends, but I already talked to him about going to New York, so I don't know. I'm just sort of thinking right now if I should stay home with my girlfriends or go with him. You know, like, if this. I don't know. I'm kind of wondering if I'm just going through a phase. But I don't know, because it's my first relationship, so I don't know if people kind of feel like they want to cool off sometimes. I don't know. I just don't know if it's a phase or not.

[Host/Interviewer]

You almost heard the dramatic dun, dun, dun, dun.

[Caller/Commentator]

Did you talk to Carl about this yet?

No.

[Dana]

No, I. You know, after I told him about the guy and stuff, I just don't want to worry him because I just. I don't know if it's a phase I'm going through, so I just don't want to talk to him about it.

[Caller/Commentator]

What do your girlfriends think you should do?

[Dana]

Well, they.

[Raj]

They just.

[Dana]

They still don't like me going out with him, so I really. Sometimes I don't talk to them about it because I know what they're going to say, so. And they, of course, want me to stay with them and go to Lenox, so I already know what they're gonna say.

[Caller/Commentator]

What are some of the things that, you know they're gonna say?

[Dana]

Well, I mean, I know they're gonna be like, well, you know, of course he's boring, because, you know, you're younger and you should be having fun and. And I do have fun with them. I just, you know, I don't know, I'm just kind of feeling a little bit bored. But I do have fun with them. It's just a different kind of fun.

[Host/Interviewer]

Are you starting to question now? I mean, because you guys haven't really been going out that long. Although things have progressed, right, really, really quickly. I mean, a couple of weeks ago, you were talking about marrying this guy and having kids with him, and now you're saying you're kind of bored by what's going on. Is that scaring you at all?

[Dana]

A little bit. I mean, because I just. I don't know, I kind of feel like I'm just going a little bit back and forth right now. I mean, because on the one hand, you know, I was okay with that, you know, with not going out with the young guy, because I do, you know, I still like Carl a lot, but on the other hand, like, I don't know, I just, I feel like I need to have a little bit of space and have a little bit of fun with my girlfriends and, you know, so I don't know, I'm just. I'm kind of going back and forth.

[Host/Interviewer]

Calls are starting to come in now. 404-741-1005. As they always do when you're on. Hey, Kelly.

[Caller/Commentator]

Hey, good morning.

[Raj]

Good.

[Dana]

How are you guys?

[Host/Interviewer]

Good, thank you. You're on with Dana.

[Raj]

Hey, Dana, I. How long have you guys been together? Oh, gosh, I can't remember from the.

[Dana]

It's not been that long. I mean, it's just been.

[Raj]

Yeah, see, that's my thing. I mean, the whole age thing concerned me to begin with because my mom was married to a man who was 13 years older than her, and the marriage didn't even last five years simply because of the different habits. But second of all, normally when you're in a relationship and you've only been together for a little while, it should stay new for a while. You shouldn't be bored that easily, and you shouldn't be getting tired of them so soon. And my thing is, I'm just wondering if, because you waited for so long to date somebody, it's usually a good idea before you start talking about being serious with somebody that you, you know, date around a little bit, figure out, you know, who you. What interest you might have because you may, you may not even know, you know, what you want out of a relationship right now. Excuse me.

[Dana]

Sorry.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah, it's so hard because you have no experience to fall back on. You know, like, you don't have anything to compare them to. You have no previous experience in dating whatsoever. So he's the only guy. And I think if I was you, the big red flag would be, I have no experience. I was by myself before. I was alone before. And this guy still born me to tears, you know?

[Raj]

Yeah.

[Caller/Commentator]

You know, I mean, in all fairness, because, I mean, I am concerned by the age difference, but in all fairness, most relationships, you have the honeymoon phase where you can't get enough of each other. You spend 24 7, you think about each other 24 7, you let the electricity. You forgot to pay the bill because you spend so much time, electricity goes out. You know, like, you forget together. I mean, like, you, you are so in love. And then, you know, there's a certain period of time that happens, and then you start, you know, kind of going back to your Friends. It's time to reconnect with your friends and stuff. So in dating, it's normal to have that intense phase that ends up kind of waning. But I don't know if the word boring comes into play when you kind of transition from the honeymoon into normal life again. Yeah. So, you know, it's probably a combination of both, but I. I feel like the age difference is a factor in this, you know.

[Host/Interviewer]

Hey, Andrea, you're on with Dana.

[Raj]

Hey, Dana, I just want to say, in about 10 years, your call guy is going to be dead. And don't ditch your girlfriend. If you ditch them, you're going to be left all alone.

[Host/Interviewer]

Oh, come on.

[Caller/Commentator]

I love how people think somebody's in their 50s is so elderly. He's not old. In 10 years, he's going to be dead.

[Host/Interviewer]

So don't pitch your girlfriend.

[Caller/Commentator]

Come on.

[Noah]

Hello.

[Host/Interviewer]

Hi, Stacey, you're on with Dana.

[Dana]

Hey, Dana.

[Raj]

I was married to a guy who's 20 years older than me, and we had three kids together. But after we. We divorced after seven years because interest just changed. It doesn't work. There's just. It just doesn't work. Go with a young guy and.

[Host/Interviewer]

Well, at this point, there really is no young guy. I mean.

[Raj]

Yeah, but there could be.

[Host/Interviewer]

So you say get a little bit more experience. Start dating people your own age.

[Raj]

Well, yeah. I mean, the age gap just does. It does not work.

[Host/Interviewer]

But she went all of these years. I mean, she's 27 now, 28 years old, and never had a date. So you're saying, you know what? Date guys your own age. But that wasn't.

[Raj]

Date guys younger. Don't date someone. I mean, it just. It doesn't work.

[Caller/Commentator]

Can we please take the age out of this and remember that Dana is dating her first person ever, regardless.

You don't think age is a factor in her.

I don't think it's relevant in this. I mean, boredom, whatever. That's not relevant. Even if she wasn't bored with him and he was one year older than her, I would still say it's your first. Her first date ever was with this guy. Age does not matter in this case. I mean, if. If it was a situation. You know what I mean? Like, if we want to discuss the age thing, whatever. We're going to get 50% of calls of people who are 20, 30 years apart and they're perfectly happy. The other 50% are people going to say, I did it, my sister did it, so was unhappy. Blah. That's not it. The point is, anybody who Went out on their first date, one date. And then decided that's the person they want to spend the rest of their life with is wrong. Like, don't do that. Don't. That's a bad idea.

Naive decision.

Yeah. Spend six months, date a couple other people, and then go back to that person if you want, but just don't. Because my thing is, the boredom is not going to have anything to do with, you know, the fact that their interest might be different because he's older. I think the boredom might come from the fact that five years from now, if they're married with a kid, she might go, God, what else is out there?

[Raj]

What if.

[Caller/Commentator]

Even if she was. Even if she was 21 and the guy was 22.

[Host/Interviewer]

Hey, Dana, at this point, do you have any idea what you're going to do for July 4th, day and night?

[Dana]

No, I. I still don't know. I mean, I'm listening to what everyone's saying, and I don't know. I still don't know because I just. I still really like Carl, you know, And I just don't. I'm not ready to say. Well, because I'm feeling a little bit bored, you know, that I want this to stop. I'm just. I'm not ready to do that yet. So I'm not sure.

[Host/Interviewer]

All right, well, let's do this. I mean, this will be perfect timing for us. And when we come back on the 5th, we'll talk to you to find out what you did the day before on the 4th.

[Dana]

Okay?

[Host/Interviewer]

Okay.

[Dana]

Okay.

[Host/Interviewer]

All right. Good luck.

[Caller/Commentator]

Thank you.

[Host/Interviewer]

All right. And again, thank you for letting us share in this whole thing.

[Dana]

Okay, thanks, guys.

[Host/Interviewer]

Appreciate it.

[BetterHelp Narrator]

Bye.

[Noah]

Bye.

[Host/Interviewer]

And I guess there's no real chance that he's going to listen in and say, okay, I don't want my life exposed here because he doesn't even know that there's an FM band yet.

[Caller/Commentator]

Come on.

But don't you notice more maturity in her voice since the first time we talked to her?

Well, less giddy excitement that time, I thought for sure. Like, I thought when we've, you know, every time we've talked to her about Carl, she's been like, you know, kind of giggly and giddy, and this time she's like, yeah, I'm not so sure.

I want to go to New York.

[Host/Interviewer]

You can hear that. You can hear that. All right, we'll check back in with her on the 5th when we get back from vacation, find out what she did over July 4th. Hey, the bird show.

[Raj]

Hey, it's Raj.

[Noah]

And Noah.

[Raj]

And we're back with a new season of Am I Doing It Wrong? The show that explores the all too human anxieties we have about trying to get our lives right.

[Noah]

Because we're still doing a lot of stuff wrong.

[Raj]

But who isn't? That's why each week we're talking about the topics that we could all use a little helping hit with. Whether it's making new friends as an adult, managing our emotions, or even dreaming.

[Noah]

We'Ll be talking to experts in their fields who are definitely doing things right, so the rest of us can be a bit wiser and a lot better equipped to handle whatever life throws at us.

[Raj]

Subscribe now and listen to new episodes of Am I Doing It Wrong? Dropping every Thursday starting January 1st, wherever you get your podcasts.

[Noah]

And for the first time ever, we're going to have full video episodes on YouTube. Because as long as there are things to get wrong, we're going to be right here to help you do them better.

[Raj]

Love y'.

[Caller/Commentator]

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That's where Acast came in. They helped me produce a professional audio ad which played to business owners and ops leads using their audience attributes targeting tools. Suddenly, my platform form was showing up in the ears of the exact people I needed to reach.

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Now that's streamlined marketing. Samantha, what's your tip for scaling smart?

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Solve a real problem and make sure the right people hear about it.

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