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Lori
Santa, did you get my letter?
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Melissa
Of course he did.
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Lori
Okay, good.
Bert
All right, so tell us about the history with you and your boyfriend and the living arrangements now.
Lori
Okay, we've been together almost two years and I live by myself and he lives with his mother and he's actually 28.
Bert
28.
Lori
Probably doesn't matter.
Melissa
Has he lived there the whole. Your whole relationship?
Lori
Yeah.
Melissa
Okay.
Lori
And in the beginning it wasn't as much of a big deal because I almost felt like we were so Much younger then. And I had a lot of friends and who had gone back home and lived with their parents because they didn't have any other choice really. But he has a really great job, a lot of money, all of that. There's really no reason for him to live at home. And I can't seem to convince him that he should move out.
Bert
What's he do for a living?
Lori
He's an executive.
Bert
An executive?
Lori
Yeah, he's a really good money.
Jen
Okay.
Melissa
Now, what are his reasons for staying with Mom?
Lori
Well, he just doesn't seem to think it's as weird as I do. Like he says, I'm looking at it as like an outsider and I don't really understand. I guess it's. I think it's just because it's convenient for him.
Jen
Is his mom real controlling? Do you know her? Do you have a relationship with her?
Lori
I know her. I don't know their home life as much to say that she's controlling. I don't think so. I don't from what I know of her and I like her, we're friends. But she doesn't strike me as the kind of person who would be upset if you wanted to be. Malice.
Melissa
Hey, Lori, can I ask you a question?
Lori
Sure.
Melissa
Have you thought about running away from the sky at any point in the two years?
Lori
Many, many times. And like I said in the beginning it wasn't as weird, but now we don't live close to each other and we don't see each other very much anymore. Just because I guess after you've been in a relationship for a while it gets, you know, you don't see each other five days a week and I don't feel comfortable going over there. Of course not.
Bert
Who would with mom hanging out? Does he have one? Is he like one of these mama's boys?
Lori
No, they're really not close. Like they don't have a mother son relationship. He thinks of it more as like a roommate situation, which I know it's not, but they're not close.
Jen
Your mom's a roommate, right, Lori?
Melissa
And again, I'm just. It's tough love.
Jen
Okay?
Melissa
I'm only being critical because I care, but I think this is a situation where Bert is always talking about women will talk themselves into accepting what, whatever to stay in a relationship that. Because Lori, this guy. Like this is an indication of what you're going to get into in the future. Okay. Like it is, it is weird for a 28 year old executive especially to be living with mom. Okay? He was 26 when you started dating him and he was living with Mom. He's been with mom this whole time. It's weird, okay? And this is a red flag. And if you. If you want to continue this situation with this guy and be in a relationship with him, you got to know that he's going to. He's going to go from mama's house to your house and expect the very same treatment from you.
Lori
I understand that. And I guess my first question was, am I being unreasonable? And obviously you guys don't think I am. So is it. How could I convince him to move out or should I even stop trying?
Bert
Let me ask you this, Lori, before, because Jen wants to make a comment also, but some people are calling up with questions about the history of why he may be still at home. So let me rattle through these real quick. Is the father still around and is he supporting his mom?
Lori
The father. They're divorced. He still closed his father, but his father lives out of state. And now he's not supporting his mom. Like, he basically doesn't even pay rent, per se. He does, like, other things. Like he bought like all the new utilities and stuff like that.
Jen
He has chores.
Bert
He's got a chore list. The other question that's coming in is, is he part of. In a lot of cultures, this is very. This is kind of commonplace.
Lori
No, no, he's not a part of any kind of culture.
Bert
Okay.
Jen
He has no culture.
Bert
No culture at all.
Jen
And here's my question. Does he talk about plans to leave ever?
Lori
Well, we discussed it and he thought about it before, but it's kind of like he doesn't know if he'll be in the same job forever. He could get transferred out of state.
Bert
I think this guy. I think there's more of an issue here of not wanting to commit to you. When you talked about him moving out of his house, was the conversation based on him just moving into his own place or was it based on you guys moving in together?
Lori
Well, after about a year, it was about him moving out and getting his own place. And then recently it had come up of us living together.
Jen
I think I have to make a comment here on something that Melissa touched on at the end of what she said, and is that he's gonna expect you to take care of him the same way his mother takes care of him. Cause there is a mother son relationship for the most part. Not with everybody, but for the most part, there's a mother son relationship where the mother's the caregiver and for some reason she lets go of that a little bit with the daughters, but mothers don't ever let go of that with the sons. And they're always trying to pamper and take care of them and that sort of thing. And when you are in a relationship with a man who is independent and does live on his own, his, he still kind of expects you to pamper him a little bit like his mother did, and you gotta try to break him of that. So, you know, and I think that a lot of women, you know, who are married would agree with me that oftentimes your husband all of a sudden like you're his mother too, and you're like, wait a minute, why, why am I doing all these things for you like your mom would? And this is for very independent males. So imagine a male that has lived with his mother until 28 years old, how difficult that would be to break him of those habits. There's definitely, there's definitely bigger problems for you down the road because he's gonna expect you to wipe his butt.
Melissa
Oh, and then the mother, you can't disregard the mother. I mean, she's nice to you now. She's friends with you because she's got a boy at home. But I mean, if again, why stay in this relationship unless you wanted this to be serious? And if this is going to be your husband and that's your mother in law, honey, you're, you're not going to have a happy, relaxed life.
Bert
Hey, Lori, let me do this. Let me put you on hold because I can't take calls without everybody being on the voice disguiser and that's just scary for everybody. So I'll put you on hold, I'll take some calls, and then I'll come back to you after the calls.
Lori
Okay?
Jen
She's able to listen to what you guys are saying to her while she's on hold.
Bert
Oh, yeah, voice, disguise her off. Good morning. Is it Elijah? Hello?
Caller (Natasha or Elijah)
Hello?
Bert
Hello? It's you.
Caller (Natasha or Elijah)
Hey, it's Elijah.
Bert
Yes, it is.
Caller (Natasha or Elijah)
I just got a couple of comments for her. Number one, it's not too uncommon for a guy to live at home for a while, but 27, almost 28, that's a little bit.
Melissa
It's a long while.
Caller (Natasha or Elijah)
That's a lot to take in. Number two, if this guy refuses to move out, she needs to find somebody else who's going to be more independent. I've been living on my own since I was 16 years old, and I don't see why this guy has a problem with moving out if he has such a great job. The Only advice I can give her is my phone number.
Bert
See you later, Elijah. Good morning. That must be Checkaway's cousin right now, right? Good morning, Natasha. You're on the Bird show. Hi.
Lori
Hey.
Caller (Natasha or Elijah)
I had a situation almost exactly like this, and it wasn't because of this that we broke up, but he was 26 years old, he was still living at home, and pretty much I told him we had started talking about getting married. And I told him, listen, if you want to prove to me that you're strong enough to marry me and have a family with me and settle down, you have to move out of your house and start taking on adult responsibilities and start having an adult life. Because adults, unless you can do that, there's no way I'm going to get married to you and have children.
Bert
How old was this guy?
Caller (Natasha or Elijah)
He was 26, and he was owner in his family's business. He was out of college, had a great life, had great financial security, with everything that I thought I wanted. And it just pretty much boiled down to the fact that I told him, listen, if you want to have kids with me, and I mean this much to you, you have to do this. And he is now living on his own for about two years now, and he is in his own townhome. And he thanked me profusely for helping him get out of his house.
Jen
Ladies.
Melissa
I mean, and this is to you, too. Why did you wait till you were almost engaged to make these demands? Like, to me, like, do women not recognize that there's a problem with a man in his late 20s?
Caller (Natasha or Elijah)
Oh, no, no, no. I did not wait to make these demands. This was something that had been going on for a while. I just didn't know how to take care of it. And honestly, I talked to my mom, I talked to his mom, I talked to my friends, and it just pretty much came down to a point of either I mean this much to him or I don't. And if he's really seriously considering wanting to spend the rest of his life with me, he's got to step up. There's no way.
Jen
I think it's really strange, too, because I think. And you guys tell me if I'm wrong on this one, but my theory is that a man wants to prove he can be a provider. That's kind of something that's instilled in you guys since birth. Like, I know my husband wanted to buy a house before he proposed. That was like, a thing for him. Like, he wanted to be able to buy a home and then go ask my father if he could marry, it was like he had to have some sort of accomplishment done under his belt so that he could feel like he was a provider. And I think that.
Bert
I think you're misinterpreting the providing just for security. Like the thing that I have in common with Ryan here. Mine wasn't a house, but I just needed to know I had enough money in the bank to where if I got married and something were to happen, we'd be okay for a year.
Jen
Yeah, like some sort of.
Bert
Some kind of security, that's all.
Jen
Yeah, security. That's the kind of provider nature. So you almost, like, prove yourself. And that's why I think it's so bizarre that these men don't have that at all, that they are the opposite, fearful of it. So they're staying at home with mom and dad.
Melissa
I equally blame the mother and the son. Like, as a mother, if I had a 27, 6, 8 year old son, he would not be living in my house. He would not. So it's the mother's fault as much as his fault. And that's why I warned Lori about the mother, because that's gonna be an odd. You're gonna be in competition with that mother the rest of your life if you plan to marry this man.
Bert
I'm just trying to do the math here. Cause I moved out, kicked out when I was like 18 years old. And so I'm trying to justify it a little bit here. Let's say you go to college, you get out at 20. Okay. But you were paying for your own schooling. So now you've got all these bills paid up and you have to pay off all your loans. How long does that, something like that generally take? I just paid off the end of.
Melissa
Mine a long time.
Bert
And you're 31.
Caller (Natasha or Elijah)
I paid my.
Jen
Let's go 30.
Bert
And you're lying about your age already. It's only been a couple of days.
Jen
I'm happy being a man.
Bert
I paid him off when I was 30. But the thing is, it's like, I mean, 22 to 26 seems like it could be legitimate. I mean, I can understand how you could.
Melissa
No, no, no, because I think everybody's got debt. Get out of the house. I mean, the thing is, like, Jeff did not live with mom and dad till he was 28, 29, 30. Jeff was already, you know, making a living, going from city to city, you know, trying to build on his career. So even with that debt, I mean, he was. He had ambition. The thing that. That turns me off completely about this guy, as it would with anybody, is ambition if they have a lack of it. And the thing is like if she. I don't understand how women first date. If they ask the guy, where are you living or your house or mine? Well, I can't go back to mom's house because mom's still there watching, you know, the Tonight Show. So I mean, come on now.
Bert
Oh, how much of a turn off would that be?
Jen
24 hours of golden Girls.
Melissa
I mean, come on.
Bert
Hey, Laura, you're on the Bert Show. Hi.
Lori
Hey.
Caller (Natasha or Elijah)
This girl needs to run as fast as she can. My brother is 41 and living at home.
Bert
Oh God, 41.
Lori
41.
Caller (Natasha or Elijah)
And listen to this.
Melissa
Go slap your mom.
Caller (Natasha or Elijah)
He tells people that he's there because my parents are like aging and he wants to help them. My mom Jazzercises five days a week. My dad golfs every day. They do not need his help.
Bert
That's just creepy. I'm sorry to be disrespectful to your brother and your family.
Jen
Does he like go, does he have a room upstairs? Is that how it is?
Lori
He moves.
Caller (Natasha or Elijah)
He goes to Taiwan. He comes back in town and stays for three or four years at a time and talks about how he hates it there and he's going to go get his own place. He never does it. I mean, he is just a real.
Jen
Now it's a whole different story. If you do have aging parents and they move back in for you to.
Melissa
Take care of them.
Jen
That's not the case.
Bert
Sometimes I think it's justified, but in.
Jen
This case, that's not the case.
Bert
One more call means two. Good morning, Kristen.
Caller (Natasha or Elijah)
Hi guys. I think you're being just a little bit unreasonable on the guy.
Melissa
Why?
Caller (Natasha or Elijah)
It's going to sound a little weird. My boyfriend is 32 and I just got him to move out of his parents house. Well, out from with his mom back in February. And he looked at it as, I mean, he made good money, but he spent all of it and he would spend most of his time just out of the house. So to him it was stupid to go spend money on an apartment or.
Jen
Money on a kitchen.
Bert
I'm not feeling that. I'm so not feeling you there.
Caller (Natasha or Elijah)
He wasn't there.
Bert
He was saying no. That is a convenient excuse.
Melissa
Let me tell you something. You know what? I am so sorry for you because you feel like you have accomplished something huge and you let him. I mean, first of all, when you say that you got him too. All these women are saying, I got my guy. I'm trying to get my guy. The thing is, these guys are not doing it on their own. And that is a forewarning to you. And when you are in the future wondering, like Jen said, why you can't get your man to be a man, he's trying to get you to be his mama and all this stuff, I'm sorry for you because that's your future.
Caller (Natasha or Elijah)
He is wonderful.
Melissa
That's your future.
Caller (Natasha or Elijah)
He bought a house, he has all of his bills, he pays everything.
Bert
He's fine.
Caller (Natasha or Elijah)
He has a great relationship with his mother. He does everything great. It's just now we're looking at getting married and, you know, getting our house together. And he's like, why didn't I save all this money when I was with my. When I was actually staying at home? I think it's really more about the guy rather than it being creepy or how old he is.
Bert
I disagree with you.
Caller (Natasha or Elijah)
Responsible and mature. Whether he's living at home or out living, he needs to be paying bills. And if he's not, you know, if he's just paying utilities and cable, I mean, that's stupid. He needs to be saving what he would be spending on rent or a house. He needs to have an actual. So I agree with you in part of it and other part, you know, I think it really depends on the guy.
Jen
Let me ask you this. When you go over to his new home now, how much of that housekeeping and how much of that homemaking are you doing?
Caller (Natasha or Elijah)
Not very much at all. Now we both worked on the landscaping and we're doing all the decorating on the inside. It's actually great.
Melissa
I just love when women say it depends on the guy because my guy is different.
Jen
Right.
Melissa
I wish we could save that and send it to her in 20 years. And for her to hear herself. It's the truth. It's the truth. The red flag. Run as fast as you can if you are a 31 year old man living at home.
Bert
Yet the voice disguised her on. What are you laughing about? Just how mad Melissa gets because these women are.
Melissa
It's not random. It is a problem that if these women are going to get in a marriage with these men who are in their 30s living with mamas, you're going to be. It's going to be a miserable life for them.
Jen
I'm telling you, that man will never ever lift his hand at home. I just think it's funny that the.
Bert
Gay woman's getting angry at the straight woman about the man woman.
Melissa
I'm just trying to give tough love to Women and say, please quit being stupid.
Bert
It's this yield signs and conjunctivitis and Yale University.
Caller (Natasha or Elijah)
You know what I hate?
Jen
Great horned owls and men who live with their mom and pez.
Bert
Laurie, you're back on the voice disguiser.
Melissa
Men who live at home with mom with a PEZ collection.
Bert
That weirds us all out. Hey, Laurie, you've been listening to all this?
Caller (Natasha or Elijah)
Yeah.
Paige Desorbo
All right.
Bert
I hope you got what you need there. I wasn't real pretty.
Lori
No. But thank you guys so much. I appreciate it.
Bert
I know it's hard to hear. It is.
Jen
It's hard to hear because I know you care about this guy, but you already. You know what you need to do because you wouldn't have come to us for, like, some extra push, because I think I was the one that originally got your email and you were saying, this is strange. He doesn't think it's strange. I know it's strange. So you know in your heart of hearts that this is not the right thing. And we're just trying to give you, you know, tough love advice because you don't. We don't want you to be cleaning up after him and spoon feeding him for the rest of his life.
Bert
Before you know it, he's 41 years old and he's moving to Taiwan for three years.
Jen
Right.
Lori
And I wanted to say thank you. A lot of morning shows, when people call up, they make fun of them, and you guys are always so nice, and I really feel like you want to help, so.
Jen
Oh, thanks, thanks.
Bert
Thank you.
Jen
We do. We do. That's the truth.
Melissa
And I would be just as hard on a woman that lived with her parents at the same age, too, by the way.
Bert
Hey, Lori, thank you for allowing us to be nosy because that's what the thing that we like to do more than anything else.
Paige Desorbo
Yeah.
Lori
You are very good at it.
Melissa
Thank you.
Bert
Nosy and judgmental. Yeah, we are. Thank you, Lori.
Lori
Okay, bye.
Bert
Bye. Bye. Why are you shaking? You're still shaking your head. It's still not over for you.
Melissa
I just love how women. No, it's women talking themselves into the most ridiculous situations because they're in love, and this is different.
Jen
Well, I think that Lori wasn't saying that, but I think that the other women calling up to defend her guy were definitely saying that because they had changed their man.
Melissa
I talked him into moving out of mama's house, and everything was great.
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Episode: Vault: She’s Trying To Force Her Boyfriend Out Of His Mom’s House
Date: December 26, 2025
Host: Pionaire Podcasting
Cast: Bert, Melissa, Jen, Paige Desorbo, Natasha, Lori (Caller)
This episode centers around a listener, Lori, who is frustrated that her 28-year-old, financially stable boyfriend still lives with his mother. Lori turns to The Bert Show team for advice on whether she’s being unreasonable expecting him to move out, and if not, how to approach the situation or if she should give up on the relationship. What follows is a lively debate on the “red flags” of adult children living at home, the cultural context, relationship expectations, and harsh truths about maturity and independence.
The episode is a lively mix of wit, blunt honesty, and compassionate but direct relationship advice, delivered in the Bert Show’s trademark style. The cast pulls no punches in identifying “red flags” and warning listeners against making excuses for partners who avoid adult responsibilities, ultimately encouraging listeners (and Lori) to value independence and not ignore warning signs, regardless of feelings.
For Listeners Who Missed the Episode:
If you’re questioning whether it’s unreasonable to expect a grown, financially stable partner to live independently, The Bert Show casts a clear vote: it’s not unreasonable. Reevaluate before falling into the trap of hoping change will come—often, red flags now signal bigger problems later.