Vault: This Woman Will Teach You How To Kiss

Summary

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The Bert Show (Pionaire Podcasting)

Episode: Vault: This Woman Will Teach You How To Kiss
Date: January 15, 2026

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Episode Overview

This lively, candid, and often hilarious episode centers around the concept of "kissing surrogates"—professionals who teach couples how to kiss better, by actually observing and correcting them in real time. The Bert Show hosts and listeners share their most unforgettable (often disastrous) kissing experiences, discuss the importance of kissing compatibility, and laugh along at the wild and awkward tales that emerge. Amidst the laughter, the episode surfaces genuine reflections on intimacy, relationships, and how a bad kiss can make or break romantic chemistry.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Kissing Surrogate Concept (00:56)

• What is it?

  • A business in Seattle offers a “kissing surrogate” who will fly to your city, watch you and your partner make out, and give tips on what you’re doing right or wrong.
  • Estimated cost: $300 per couple (plus travel expenses).

• Hosts’ Reaction:

  • The panel is both amused and incredulous, but agree that "there’s nothing worse than being with a bad kisser."
  • The proliferation of kissing schools suggests it’s a real need.

2. Memorable (and Awful) First Kisses (01:57–07:43)

• Bad Kiss Flashbacks:

  • "You never forget that experience either. Like your very worst kiss ever." (Show Host, 01:57)
  • Hosts and callers recount embarrassing, awkward, or downright horrific first kisses.
  • Example stories:
    • French kissing gone wrong: Dipping, jabbing, and too much tongue.
    • Spin the bottle disasters: "I was the size of a doll... she literally took me in her arms and dipped me, like I was on Dancing with the Stars." (Show Host, 02:28)
    • Slobbering and surprise moves: "I literally had to go home and take a shower because he slobbered." (Co-host, 03:22)
    • Gum exchanging: A girl swaps her gum by mouth during a bus ride (Caller Alex, 12:40)

• Panel Realization:

  • "If the kiss is bad, the rest of the whole thing is going to be pretty bad also." (Show Host, 04:51)

3. Awkward Kissing Techniques & Pet Peeves (03:44–08:22)

• Common Complaints:

  • The "slobberer" and the one who doesn’t use their tongue at all.
  • Open mouth, but no action (just air).
  • Overenthusiastic or misplaced tongue movement.
  • Kissing that feels like an "attack" or "being devoured."

• Listener Call-ins:

  • Bad kissing stories abound, from face-engulfers to gum-lickers and accidental fish impersonators.
  • One caller relays: "He just had his mouth open like a bath and just basically engulfed my face and just drooled on me. It was just terrible." (Caller Brandy, 05:03)

• Unpleasant Surprises:

  • Licking gums or cheeks.
  • Sucking lips or tongues too enthusiastically, leading to discomfort or even injuries (bleeding lips).
  • Trying out unnecessary "moves" instead of keeping it simple.

4. How It Can Affect Relationships (08:22–10:25)

• Emotional Impact:

  • Some listeners and hosts share how a bad kisser soured their feelings or even ended budding relationships.
  • Brandy reveals she married her "worst kisser": "Oh, my worst kiss, you guys, is my husband. Yes. I ended up marrying him." (Speaker: Caller Brandy, 08:39)
  • The panel commiserates about passion dying out: "We don't do the tongue thing... Maybe six months. I don't even know. Maybe a year [since a passionate kiss]." (Caller Brandy, 09:24)

• Can It Be Fixed?

  • Listeners and hosts debate whether kissing ability can be improved or "taught."
  • The idea of a kissing school for men (with a playful 'trap the men' plan) is floated.

5. The Role of Kissing in Intimacy (04:21; 09:53)

• Deeper Meaning:
  • Kissing as one of the "most intimate things" you do.
  • The pressure of getting it right, especially on the first try: "It is one of the most intimate things you do with somebody and it has to come first. That's why there's the awkwardness and the weirdness and you judge people based on that kiss." (Co-host, 04:21)
  • Lack of kissing as a sign of relationship trouble.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

"There’s nothing worse than being with a bad kisser."

— Show Host ('Bird'), 00:56

"You never forget that experience either. Like your very worst kiss ever."

— Show Host ('Bird'), 01:57

Panel on the Evolution of Kissers

"If the kiss is bad, the rest of the whole thing is going to be pretty bad also."
— Show Host ('Bird'), 04:51

Listener Call: The Marine Sergeant Disaster

"My worst kiss... just basically engulfed my face and just drooled on me. It was just terrible. I didn't think I'd ever kiss anybody again."
— Caller Brandy, 05:03

On Bad Kissers in Relationships

"Oh, my worst kiss, you guys, is my husband... We don't even kiss anymore."
— Caller Brandy, 08:39

Lip Sucking and Painful Techniques

"He bit my lip so hard he made me bleed... I had to go take a shower from all the slobber."
— Caller Julie, 14:52

Kissing as Intimacy

"I think sometimes a good makeout session on the couch is just as good as... being full on whatever. You gotta have those intimate again. Like my friend says, one of the most intimate things you do and you have to do with a total stranger."
— Co-host, 09:53

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Segment Timestamps

• 00:56 – Introduction of the 'Kissing Surrogate' business, panel reactions
• 01:57 – Hosts recall their worst kissing experiences
• 03:10 – Co-host shares stories of kissing both men and women
• 04:21 – Discussion on intimacy and the pressure of first kisses
• 05:00 – Caller Brandy recounts her traumatizing first kiss
• 06:19 – Caller Melissa traumatized by a saliva string between chins
• 07:33 – "Snake tongue" story (too much tongue)
• 08:39 – Brandy reveals she married her worst kisser
• 10:36 – Caller Summer details a boyfriend with a “gum licking” habit
• 12:40 – Caller Alex's “gum swap” French kiss
• 13:22 – Caller Gina’s bottom lip gets dangerously sucked
• 14:51 – Caller Julie's kisser left her bleeding

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Recap & Takeaways

• Kissing ability is a big deal for both initial and ongoing romantic compatibility—so much so that a cottage industry is emerging for “kissing coaches” and “surrogates.”
• Awkward, aggressive, or unhygienic kisses often leave a lasting impression, sometimes altering or ending the course of relationships.
• The show balances humor with genuine insight, reminding listeners that it’s okay to talk about kissing mishaps and their importance in relationships.
• The hosts suggest that if you struggle with kissing, communication (and maybe even a little coaching or education) can help—but it’s a hard topic to broach with partners.

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For a full blast of awkward, relatable, and very funny romance talk, this episode delivers—while sneakily surfacing how foundational a simple kiss can be to intimacy and connection.

Transcript

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[Co-host or Panelist]

And how much she charged for this, I don't know.

[Show Host (likely 'Bird')]

Did we find out how much yesterday it was?

[Co-host or Panelist]

I don't think so. But I mean 300 bucks per couple.

[Show Host (likely 'Bird')]

300 per couple.

[Co-host or Panelist]

Plus I'm sure you gotta pay for her flight and whatever.

Well, the thing is, I mean here's a surrogate. There's kissing schools out there where you know, people go into a room and it's all these couples and they're in a. I mean it's obviously something that is needed because there's nothing worse than being with a bad kisser.

[Show Host (likely 'Bird')]

We and you guys probably also, you never forget that experience either. Like your very worst kiss ever. I specifically remember, I mean this happened a while ago but it was with. And I'm gonna see her at my high school reunion in a couple of weeks, Leann Bryan. And I think I remember telling you guys this. It was a game of spin the bottle back in the day. And I was. I'm a little guy now. I. I was a really little guy, like, back in the eighth grade. I mean, I was the size of a doll.

[Co-host or Panelist]

A Weeble Wobble.

[Show Host (likely 'Bird')]

And I remember spinning the bottle, and I had to French kiss Leanne Bryant. And a. She dipped me. She literally took me in her arms and dipped me like I was on Dancing with the Stars. And then shoved and jabbed and little.

[Co-host or Panelist]

Darter.

[Show Host (likely 'Bird')]

Dartered away in my mouth to a point where it was so painful that even to this day, I haven't forgotten it. Now, that's the kind of person that needs a kissing surrogate. Now, if you guys can remember your worst kiss ever, you remember it in detail, call us. 404-741-1005.

[Co-host or Panelist]

I've got two. I mean, because I've had the experience of kissing both men and women. And one of each is my two worst kisses ever. One was a slobberer.

[Show Host (likely 'Bird')]

Oh, he.

[Co-host or Panelist]

I don't know. I literally had to go home and take a shower because he slobbered. And then he'd do the kiss on the ear and the neck and the shoulder and that kind of thing. And. And I. Yeah, well, first of all, at the time, I. I was realizing that this is not who I wanted to kiss. So I. But I went ahead with it anyway. And then on top of that, he had to be spitting all over me. That was nasty.

[Show Host (likely 'Bird')]

You know, like, that guy ruined it.

[Co-host or Panelist]

That was nasty.

That guy ruined it for every future man you come in contact with.

Well, I'm not gonna kiss a man ever again.

[Show Host (likely 'Bird')]

That's his fault.

[Co-host or Panelist]

No, it's not. It just. Oh, he was a bad kisser. And then there was a woman I kissed who. Total opposite. She didn't even use. She would open her mouth but not use a tongue. Like, it was just bizarre.

It was like a hollow kiss.

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[Co-host or Panelist]

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[Show Host (likely 'Bird')]

Have you guys ever.

[Boost Mobile Representative]

That's weird.

[Show Host (likely 'Bird')]

Have you ever had this deal where you're, like, opening your mouth and she's opening her mouth and there's no real, like, puckering going on. It's just, like, open mouth on mouth, but there's no action going on.

[Co-host or Panelist]

And then you hear that cupping sound?

[Boost Mobile Representative]

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[Co-host or Panelist]

I mean, there's.

[Caller or Guest]

Oh, yeah.

[Co-host or Panelist]

You know, a friend of mine and I were hanging out over the weekend. I said this to you guys off air yesterday. Her Complaint was because we were talking about first kisses and stuff. Because I'm still in the, you know, lifestyle where I'm gonna have first kisses with people. And we were talking about people in particular and nervousness about that and stuff. And then she says, you know, the sad thing is it is one of the most intimate things you do with somebody and it has to come first.

[Boost Mobile Representative]

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[Co-host or Panelist]

That's why there's the awkwardness and the weirdness and you judge people based on that kiss, you know. But yeah, it is. Yeah, a lot of people are bad at it.

[Show Host (likely 'Bird')]

And I am a big believer in if the kiss is bad, the rest of the whole thing is going to be pretty bad also.

[Co-host or Panelist]

Right.

[Show Host (likely 'Bird')]

Good morning, Brandy. You're on all the hits. Q100.

[Caller or Guest]

Hey, good morning, guys. How are you?

[Show Host (likely 'Bird')]

Good morning.

[Caller or Guest]

My worst kiss was my.

Actually my first kiss. I was 18. My brother had set me up with.

A Marine sergeant and when he went to kiss me, he just had his.

Mouth open like a bath and just basically engulfed my face and just drooled on me. It was just terrible. I didn't think I'd ever kiss anybody again.

[Show Host (likely 'Bird')]

Do you guys remember, like, the first time you ever French kissed somebody that you opened up your mouth so wide because mathematically there's no way two tongues can fit in the same mouth.

[Caller or Guest]

Right.

[Co-host or Panelist]

I came at somebody like a fish out of water. She just started laughing. It's a game of spin the bottle too.

Nobody, nobody kisses well at 14. Or my first was at 14, I think. 14. And his name was Don Johnson. Swear to God. Don Johnson. Best looking guy in school. And I'm sure he's much better now. But then it was the whole stiff and just went in for the attack.

[Show Host (likely 'Bird')]

I remember Tammy Lopez coming out after me for a French kiss and just like, you know that scene in like the Peanuts where somebody screams and you only see like the uvula dangling in the back? I remember that feeling like I was going in there, man.

[Co-host or Panelist]

I imagine I look like one of those female blow up dolls. Like, that's what I imagined it looked like when I went in for my first kiss.

[Show Host (likely 'Bird')]

Just the perfectly round mouth.

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[Show Host (likely 'Bird')]

Hey, Melissa, you're on all the hits. Q100 Good morning.

[Caller or Guest]

I was in ninth grade and it was my first French kiss. And this guy, not only did he realize that the tongue was supposed to go in the mouth, he licked all over around my mouth so that I pulled apart. There was, I'm not even kidding, a string of saliva from chin to chin. I was so grossed out.

[Co-host or Panelist]

No, no, no. That'll scarier.

That will scaring you.

I've had somebody lick my gums before.

[Caller or Guest]

No, that is nasty.

[Show Host (likely 'Bird')]

No, lick your gums like just above your te. Or like the roof of your mouth.

[Co-host or Panelist]

Above my teeth, between my.

The gums and my cheeks. That is so disgusting.

[Caller or Guest]

Oh, my God.

[Co-host or Panelist]

Yes. Oh, I've had.

I think my worst is from God love him. I hope he's not in Atlanta or anything. I would hate to hurt his feeling, but his name's Eddie Marrelli and he came at me and it started so good. It really did, because it was both hands on the face and I thought, oh, this is a boy who knows what he is doing. And he tried to be really passionate, but I think he stuck his tongue so far down my throat, I think it actually played with my uvula. Like, it was so deep, lizardly, like, snake, like all the way in there that I thought I might choke on him.

[Caller or Guest]

Snake.

[Co-host or Panelist]

Like a frog trying to get a fly.

Yes, he was a frog trying to get a fly. And it was like I felt devoured. I was like.

I really.

I felt like I had been eaten.

[Show Host (likely 'Bird')]

And, you know, back then, like, you were too afraid to break up with somebody, so there had to be a second kiss. This. And when you go in, you're like.

[Co-host or Panelist]

Oh, here it comes. Yeah.

[Show Host (likely 'Bird')]

Don't have to do this again.

[Caller or Guest]

No.

[Show Host (likely 'Bird')]

Morning. All the hits Q100.

[Caller or Guest]

Hi, this is Rhonda. When I was about 17 years old, I was dating this guy for about a couple weeks. And it was our first kiss. And when he went to kiss me, he was, like, pulling his tongue in and out of my mouth. Like we were, like, having intercourse or something. Yeah, it was so terrible that the next day I called him and I was like, look, for the past few weeks, I've been lying to you. I've got another boyfriend, so we've got to stop seeing each other, so.

[Show Host (likely 'Bird')]

Oh, that's bad.

[Co-host or Panelist]

A bad kiss is horrific. I wonder, do you. You think there's anybody in our lives that considers us one of their worst kisses?

Oh, absolutely.

[Show Host (likely 'Bird')]

My wife.

[Co-host or Panelist]

We have to.

[Show Host (likely 'Bird')]

Me. Yeah, it's probably my wife. You just call her right now. Morning, Brandy, you're on all the hits. Q100.

[Caller or Guest]

Good morning, guys. Love your show.

[Show Host (likely 'Bird')]

Thank you.

[Caller or Guest]

Oh, my worst kiss, you guys, is my husband.

[Show Host (likely 'Bird')]

Oh, no way.

[Caller or Guest]

Yes. I ended up marrying him.

[Co-host or Panelist]

What? What. What does he do wrong?

[Caller or Guest]

Well, he just. You know what? I can't even. I can't even. I don't even know what it is. It's just moving his tongue around in my mouth. It's just gross. And so the sad thing is, is we don't even kiss anymore.

[Co-host or Panelist]

You need to see, this is a surrogate.

[Show Host (likely 'Bird')]

Like, we were talking about flying this woman into town and trying to find somebody. It was like the heart. The worst luck case story yours. Is it like, how long have you been married?

[Caller or Guest]

We've been married for seven years. We have three children.

[Show Host (likely 'Bird')]

And when's the last time you kissed them?

[Caller or Guest]

Oh, gosh. Well, we, you know, we do the morning kiss and peck and kind of thing, but we don't. We don't do the tongue thing.

[Show Host (likely 'Bird')]

Like, when is the last time you had a long, passionate kiss with your husband?

[Caller or Guest]

I. I can't tell you. I don't.

[Show Host (likely 'Bird')]

Three years, four years?

[Caller or Guest]

No, I mean, you know, it's maybe six months. I don't even know. Maybe a year.

[Show Host (likely 'Bird')]

A year?

[Co-host or Panelist]

That's sad.

You don't have to fly in some surrogate con artist from Idaho or wherever she is. Like, sit down with Jen Hobby for a few minutes.

[Show Host (likely 'Bird')]

She could be like, what if Jen Hobby's not any good?

[Co-host or Panelist]

Get your tongue out of her nostril.

[Show Host (likely 'Bird')]

Seriously, dude, I'm not so sure Jen's any good.

[Co-host or Panelist]

Well, come on, kiss her.

[Show Host (likely 'Bird')]

I'm not gonna kiss her again.

[Co-host or Panelist]

All right, Bird.

Jen kiss.

[Show Host (likely 'Bird')]

Yeah. Again.

[Co-host or Panelist]

That is sad. Because, I mean, I think. I think sometimes a good makeout session on the couch is just as good as, you know, being full on whatever. I mean, you gotta have those intimate again. Like my friend says, one of the most intimate things you do and you have to do with a total stranger.

[Show Host (likely 'Bird')]

Brandi, have you ever told your husband how bad a kisser he is?

[Caller or Guest]

Well, I think he kind of knows. I mean, when we first started dating, I told him, you know, that he wasn't the best kisser. So.

[Co-host or Panelist]

Would he be willing to work on it?

[Caller or Guest]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Co-host or Panelist]

We gotta get her.

[Show Host (likely 'Bird')]

I gotta put you on hold, Brandon. I'm gonna put you on hold.

[Co-host or Panelist]

That's not right.

[Show Host (likely 'Bird')]

If you haven't kissed your husband or your wife passionately in six months.

[Co-host or Panelist]

No, that's not right.

[Boost Mobile Representative]

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[Show Host (likely 'Bird')]

All right, last couple of calls and we'll move on. Hey, Summer, you're on all the hits. Q100.

[Caller or Guest]

Hey, guys. How you doing?

[Co-host or Panelist]

Good.

[Caller or Guest]

Okay, I am. I'll be 20 this weekend, and I've been dating this guy who goes to Florida State for about a two past the last two years. And we're kind of serious when we're around each other and we're kind of not when we're not, you know, he's so hot. And so, you know, I don't know why, but I was just excited. Expect the kids to be hot and passionate. Totally not like that. He does this thing sometimes where he. Melissa. He licks my gums, too. And it's so horrible because you'll be having this, like, passionate kiss, and all of a sudden it's like you can't breathe because his tongue is, like, blocking, you know, like, your airway, like, in your mouth. And you're trying to breathe through your nose. But, oh, my God, it's so horrible. But when he's licking. No, it gets worse when he's looking at my gum, like, he likes to sliver it around and stuff. And it's like, okay, stop. Like, he likes. When he's done with it, he likes to suck my top lip to finish the kiss off.

[Show Host (likely 'Bird')]

So the dude is licking your gum and sucking your top lip?

[Caller or Guest]

Yeah, he's licking my gum. And when he's done, it's like he's sucking my top lip, and my lip is, like, sticking an inch away from my mouth.

[Show Host (likely 'Bird')]

This guy must be like Brad Pitt. Good looking to keep up with that.

[Caller or Guest]

He. Well, he is so, like. He is so amazing. He's. He's gorgeous, you know, and we have, like, awesome chemistry together. But there's just sometimes when he gets really weird when he's sucking on my lips.

[Co-host or Panelist]

He's trying to fight your gingivitis.

I mean, it's a good thing that the eyes were closed because I think the shock look on my face when. Yeah. Gums licked. I've had the. I've had, yeah. Bad kisses when she said the top lip sucked away from her face. I've had my tongue sucked, like, out of my mouth before. I've had that happen, too.

It's not pleasant.

It's just like, what are you like. Okay, if you think you're gonna be fancy with your kiss. You know what? Nix that idea. Keep it simple.

[Show Host (likely 'Bird')]

I understand trying to evolve a little bit, but sucking the top lip?

[Co-host or Panelist]

Oh, it's like, in my tongue, out of my mouth. It's not cool.

[Show Host (likely 'Bird')]

Hey, Alex, you're on all the hits. Q100. What's going on?

[Caller or Guest]

Yeah, when I was about 13 years old, I was dating a girl that was about. I guess she was probably about 16 or 17. I can't remember at the time, but her idea, basically, we were on the bus together going from school or whatever. Her idea at the end of, like, the ride when I got off was to Give me her gum. After we were kissing, that was her idea of the whole French kiss thing in her.

[Co-host or Panelist]

Like, give it to you mouth to mouth transfer or like.

[Caller or Guest]

Yes, exactly like that. That was her big thing, was she wanted me to have her gum. At the end of the day, you.

[Show Host (likely 'Bird')]

Know, this is going in an even stranger situ. Stranger direction because so many are calling up saying that the sucking on the lip thing is pretty common.

[Co-host or Panelist]

Really.

[Show Host (likely 'Bird')]

Hey, Gina. Yes, what's up?

[Caller or Guest]

Hey. I have a sucker story, too. He. We were pecking and it was nice and all. And all of a sudden he starts sucking on my bottom lip. And it sucked it so hard that he actually strained that little tendon that connects the bottom of your lip to your bum. I mean, it raised. Was horrible.

[Co-host or Panelist]

That makes my mouth hurt.

See? No. And then, like, the woman said, you know, before who he was doing all kinds of stuff, but he's so good looking, I would lose attraction. You know, like, if you're a bad kisser, I look at you differently. I mean, I had a guy lick my cheek before.

[Show Host (likely 'Bird')]

Like, no. Yeah, literally on the side of your cheek.

[Boost Mobile Representative]

Like a puppy.

[Co-host or Panelist]

He's just happy to see, like a puppy little.

And he licked her cheek.

Keep it simple. Like, I just. Yeah. I just really think a lot of people feel so awkward about it or feel like they have to have a move. Like, we talk about, you know, the motorboat. Yeah, the motorboat.

[Boost Mobile Representative]

God.

[Co-host or Panelist]

That. You know, they feel like they have to have a move with their kissing, too. And it just. You know what? It's. No. Oh. Just.

[Show Host (likely 'Bird')]

Oh, love.

[Co-host or Panelist]

I. Maybe we shouldn't bring this woman in for that one person, but maybe we should have any. We should do like some sort of. Because it seems like all the problems are with guys. Most of the problems. It's like, what if we hold an event and we don't tell the. Like, somehow let women only know what it is and they can bring their guy to it and he doesn't know what it is until he's actually in the room.

And then it's the kissing school.

And we shut the door, lock them up. Yeah.

[Show Host (likely 'Bird')]

Hey, Julie.

[Caller or Guest]

Yes.

[Show Host (likely 'Bird')]

Good morning.

[Caller or Guest]

Good morning. I had a guy, not only did he slobber, but he bit my lip so hard he made me bleed.

[Boost Mobile Representative]

Dude. Dude.

[Caller or Guest]

Yeah, it was horrible. And it was a reaction. I slapped him.

[Co-host or Panelist]

Oops.

[Caller or Guest]

It was just a reaction. Yeah, my lips were bleeding and I was nasty. I had to go take a shower from all the slobber and. Oh, it was bad.

[Co-host or Panelist]

There's nothing to me more disgusting than a Slobber kisser. I hate that. And also this guy that like the side of my face, now that I think about it, you know what else he did which was. I don't understand. Okay, so he kissed me. And as he was kissing me, he blew air in my mouth to where I looked like a blowfish.

[Show Host (likely 'Bird')]

Oh, come on now.

[Co-host or Panelist]

I swear to God.

Shut up.

Swear to God.

Now you're just making it up.

Ross in high school, Central High School Ross. He did that to me.

[Show Host (likely 'Bird')]

Is it any wonder at all why you're like, totally.

[Co-host or Panelist]

I know I'm not gay because guys are bad kissers. It just made it even that much worse because there was nothing going on to begin with. And then the being bad kissers just.

Oh.

Because women are bad kissers, too. I mean, I've had some. Yeah, the. Yeah.

[Show Host (likely 'Bird')]

And you've got a reputation, too, because if you're a bad kisser and you think she's just keeping that knowledge to herself, you are so freaking wrong, Ross. You are so wrong, Ross. The Bird Show.

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