Basecamp founder, New York Times best-selling author, and web software pioneer Jason Fried is Jeffrey Zeldman’s guest. The two discuss Jason’s latest book (co-authored with David Heinemeier Hannson), It Doesn’t Have to be Crazy at Work, which The Economist called “by far the best thing on management published this year.” Also: the secrets of Basecamp, the magic of sleep, the sameness of agencies’ portfolio sites, why Basecamp doesn’t user test, and more.

Note: We apologize for Jeffrey's audio quality in this episode, but Jason Fried says so many smart things we decided we had to share this conversation anyway. It's worth it!

Links for this episode:

Jason Fried (@jasonfried) | Twitter
Basecamp: Project Management & Team Communication Software
It Doesn't Have to Be Crazy at Work: Jason Fried, David Heinemeier Hansson: 9780062874788: Amazon.com: Books
The 37signals Manifesto (our original site from 1999)
Jason Fried – Medium
Signal v. Noise
Jason Fried (Author of Rework)
Jason Fried | Speaker | TED
Amazon.com: Remote: Office Not Required eBook: Jason Fried, David Heinemeier Hansson: Kindle Store
Rework: Jason Fried, David Heinemeier Hansson: 9780307463746: Amazon.com: Books
Getting Real: The Smarter, Faster, Easier Way to Build a Successful Web Application: Jason Fried, David Heinemeier Hansson, Matthew Linderman: 9780578012810: Amazon.com: Books

Episode 182: It Doesn’t Have to be Crazy at Work, with Jason Fried