B&T Extra: Mark Summers & his OCD book

Summary

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Podcast Summary: The BOB & TOM Show Extra

Episode: Mark Summers & His OCD Book
Date: December 22, 2025

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Episode Overview

This Bob & Tom Show Extra episode features an engaging conversation with legendary TV host Mark Summers, best known for Nickelodeon's Double Dare. The hosts dig into Summers’ lifelong experience with Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder (OCD), stories from his television career, and the quirks of celebrity autograph conventions. The discussion weaves in both humor and real insight, with candid reflections on mental health, memorable behind-the-scenes moments, and the lasting impact of kids' pop culture.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Mark Summers on OCD and His Book

• OCD Rituals and Experiences

  • Mark recounts how OCD impacted his daily life and work routines.
    • Example: Before flights, he felt compelled to read everything in certain store windows to prevent disasters.

      “You have to do these things, Intrusive thoughts that if you don't read something in a particular way, you'll say, well, the plane's gonna go down or something bad's gonna happen.”
      —Tom Griswold, 03:28

  • Discussion on comforting travel rituals, such as touching the side of the plane before boarding.

• Family Stories

  • Mark remembers his daughter asking to cook hot dogs at his apartment, prompting him to buy a whole new set of kitchenware:

    “That hot dog cost me, you know, almost $1,000. But yeah, I did it because she wanted it.”
    —Mark Summers, 04:19

Life in Television and Double Dare

• Conventions and Celebrity Encounters

  • Mark reminisces about meeting stars like Martin Sheen, Priscilla Presley, and seeing Weird Al Yankovic again after decades.

    “We premiered on the Fox network... The first celebrity episode we did was Lou Ferrigno against Weird Al.”
    —Mark Summers, 05:39

  • Notes the intelligence and professionalism of artists like Weird Al and wrestling legends like Bobby "The Brain" Heenan.

• Behind-the-Scenes Fun

  • Slopomania episodes: wrestling icons Gorilla Monsoon and Bobby “The Brain” Heenan as guests, ensuing in backstage antics and getting dumped in chocolate.

    “The finale of it was, I caught them cheating on the Obstacle course. And they picked me up and dumped me into this thing of chocolate... it was an honor.”
    —Mark Summers, 06:56

• Practical Challenges

  • On set logistics: Dealing with massive amounts of messy props like 5,000 pounds of baked beans, the difficulties of clean-up, including hiring a septic tank service.

    “So, you know, there are stories about, you know, we were making it up as we went along, quite honestly.”
    —Mark Summers, 10:27

• Legacy of the Show

  • Summers remarks on Nickelodeon's fading presence and fans’ requests for a Double Dare revival.

    “The people who grew up on it who were in their 40s now would go out of their mind to do a grown up version of it.”
    —Mark Summers, 10:48

Autograph Conventions & Fan Culture

• Attending and Signing at Cons

  • Mark and the hosts discuss the economics and peculiarities of autograph signings, including what celebrities charge and how fans interact.

    “People want to sit and talk to you for 15 minutes and tell you stories... you have to be nice, but... the longer you talk, that's the fewer you sign and, you know, get paid.”
    —Mark Summers, 14:45

• Positive Energy in Unlikely Places

  • Josh notes the friendly and celebratory atmosphere at horror conventions, which surprises those unfamiliar with the scene:

    “It's all very, very celebratory and happy. It's interesting.”
    —Josh Arnold, 14:18

• Memorable Miscellaneous Merch

  • Ventriloquist Jeff Dunham’s success selling puppets and the resurgence of ventriloquism post-America’s Got Talent.

Mental Health, Community, and Cleanliness

• OCD Management and Group Therapy

  • Mark shares a story about an uncooperative group member, highlighting the struggle with personal change:

    “Until you're ready to kick that stuff, you're not going to do it.”
    —Mark Summers, 17:13

• Reflections on Normalcy and Broadcasting

  • Mark appreciates the professional camaraderie of The Bob & Tom Show and compares it to other industry experiences.

• Cleanliness Quirks

  • Extended, tongue-in-cheek discussion about strategies to avoid germs in public spaces (escalators, bathrooms, elevator buttons):

    "Do you do the surfing motion?"
    —Bob Kevoian, 18:33

  • Everyone admits to elaborate methods for staying sanitized, to collective laughter.

• Hotel Room Coffee Makers

  • The team jokes about rumors of flight attendants cleaning delicates in hotel coffee machines, leading to discussions about travel hygiene.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “That hot dog cost me, you know, almost $1,000. But yeah, I did it because she wanted it.”
  —Mark Summers (04:19)

• “It's all very, very celebratory and happy. It's interesting.”
  —Josh Arnold on horror conventions (14:18)

• “The people who grew up on it who were in their 40s now would go out of their mind to do a grown up version of it.”
  —Mark Summers (10:48)

• “Until you're ready to kick that stuff, you're not going to do it.”
  —Mark Summers (17:13)

• “We were making it up as we went along, quite honestly.”
  —Mark Summers, about Double Dare’s set antics (10:27)

• “He put in memory and gorilla had two degrees. He was a brilliant guy. But together they were unbelievable.”
  —Mark Summers about wrestling duo Gorilla Monsoon & Bobby Heenan (06:47)

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Timed Segment Highlights

• Mark’s OCD routines and rituals: 03:25–04:36
• NYC hot dog story with his daughter: 04:05–04:44
• Double Dare celebrity stories/Wrestlers: 05:24–07:17
• Cleaning 5,000 lbs of baked beans from the set: 09:37–10:29
• Nickelodeon’s decline and nostalgia for Double Dare: 10:34–11:12
• Autograph convention culture: 13:04–14:45
• Horror convention positivity: 14:12–14:25
• Group therapy for OCD, frustration with inaction: 16:53–17:35
• Enthusiastic group conversation about public hygiene and cleanliness quirks: 18:09–19:47

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Final Thoughts

The episode blends genuine compassion, nostalgia, and irreverence, giving listeners both laughter and unexpected insights into mental health and pop culture. Mark Summers’ vivid stories—whether about game show slime or the very real impact of OCD—are both relatable and memorable, making this a particularly warm and insightful edition of the Bob & Tom Show Extra.

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Transcript

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[Bob Kevoian]

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[Tom Griswold]

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[Bob Kevoian]

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[Bob Kevoian]

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[Tom Griswold]

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[Bob Kevoian]

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[Tom Griswold]

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[Josh Arnold]

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[Bob Kevoian]

The Bonanza reunion. Only on Bob and Tom Television. A great way to get your morning started. This is Bob and Tom Extra joining us in the studio. He is Mark Summers, I guess is a television personality. One of your hats. Also an author of a great book that I read years ago about your OCD adventures.

[Josh Arnold]

Adventures.

[Bob Kevoian]

I mean, it really was. We know Nice way to put it. I'm just, I haven't looked at the book in a while. I remember one of the other things I remember. I'll probably get this wrong, but the essence of it was before you could get on an airplane, you had to go to a certain store window and Am I getting this right?

[Josh Arnold]

Yeah.

[Bob Kevoian]

And you had to read everything before you could get on a plane.

[Tom Griswold]

Yeah. You have to do these things, Intrusive thoughts that if you don't read something in a particular way, you'll say, well, the plane's gonna go down or something bad's gonna happen. So you would find yourself going and doing these repetitive actions over and over again.

[Bob Kevoian]

And you do know about when you get on a plane, you have to touch the side of the plane with your hand.

[Doug]

I do that when I think.

[Bob Kevoian]

So you're aware of that. Okay. I just want to make sure you knew that. It's.

[Tom Griswold]

See, I use the left hand, so that's no wonder.

[Bob Kevoian]

I can't believe you're here with us. What was the other one? Another story I remember from the book. And I, I, if I'm getting this right, I think it was your daughter or something was in town and you didn't have anything to cook, but she wanted a hot dog. Oh, yeah. And you went and you went and you tell the story.

[Tom Griswold]

Yeah. I was living in New York City and I was doing a couple of talk shows there. And my kids would come and spend a month at a time with me, and especially in the summertime, so I would go out to dinner every night. I never used my kitchen once. And I said to Meredith in the elevator going down, what would you like to do? And she said, I just want to cook some hot dogs and have dinner at home. And I said, well, I can't do that. I don't have any, you know, pots or pans or anything. And, you know, what do you say to your, at the time, like nine or ten year old daughter? So I went to Macy's and spent, you know, $500 in pots and pans. You know, that hot dog cost me, you know, almost $1,000. But yeah, I did it because she wanted it. You know, I think it was the only time I ever used those pots and pans, by the way.

[Bob Kevoian]

Wow. I do a similar thing now. It's the make your own pizza thing I'll do with my daughters.

[Tom Griswold]

Yeah.

[Bob Kevoian]

And you go get one of those.

[Tom Griswold]

Pizza ovens, like the uni pizza oven.

[Bob Kevoian]

Yeah. But the thing is, you go to like Whole Foods and you spend $40 buying the stuff to make a pizza.

[Tom Griswold]

Yeah.

[Bob Kevoian]

And you make a pizza that's almost as good as the one you can get for six bucks.

[Tom Griswold]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Doug]

Your solo stove.

[Bob Kevoian]

I. It's. I'm getting ready to.

[Doug]

For Christmas. Three years ago.

[Bob Kevoian]

Well, I've been busy. I have things to do.

[Tom Griswold]

Oh.

[Bob Kevoian]

I've been our guest. Our guest is Mark Summers. Now, do you. I kind of was walking out of the room, and you guys started talking about this, so I didn't hear the answer. Do you do conventions where you go and. Are they game show people or just all these television people?

[Tom Griswold]

No, television people. And it's fascinating. I mean, I went to one recently with Martin Sheen and got to meet him and spend some time with him. You know, Priscilla Presley was there. I mean, it's fascinating to me. Who shows up to these things. Weird Al. When we were doing Double Dare, we premiered on the Fox network when they first launched in primetime on weekends. And the first celebrity episode we did was Lou Ferrigno against Weird Al. Okay. You can imagine. And I hadn't seen Weird Al since then, and there he was. And sure enough, he remembered. And it was hard because you obviously want people to go to the physical challenges. That's what people tune in for. And. And he answered every question. And I said, hey, man, how do you know all the answers to these things? And he said, it's my gig. I remember.

[Bob Kevoian]

He said, I want to say that Al was the valedictorian of his high school class. I think he's a super smart guy.

[Tom Griswold]

Yeah. Would not be surprised.

[Bob Kevoian]

And he's got a great band. If you ever get a chance to.

[Tom Griswold]

See Weird Al live, he's spectacular.

[Bob Kevoian]

He has a terrific band.

[Josh Arnold]

They have to know how to play everything.

[Tom Griswold]

Yeah.

[Bob Kevoian]

And. But they're very good.

[Tom Griswold]

Yeah.

[Bob Kevoian]

So. Yeah. And. And like I said, Al's been in. In here a couple times, and he's a. He is a smart dude.

[Tom Griswold]

My favorite episode we ever did on Double Dare, though, was super slopomania 1. I had gorilla Monsoon against Bobby the Brain Heenan.

[Bob Kevoian]

Two of.

[Josh Arnold]

I would argue, two of the funniest television personalities of all time.

[Tom Griswold]

And brilliant. Yes. Bobby the Brain had the best sense of humor and remembered every joke he had ever heard, whether he heard it from you or me or somebody else. He put in memory and gorilla had two degrees. He was a brilliant guy. But together they were unbelievable. Yes. And at the end, they choreographed. They said, do you mind if we get you messy? And the finale of it was, I caught them cheating on the Obstacle course. And they picked me up and dumped me into this thing of chocolate. I mean, you would not have believed it. But it was an honor to have Gorilla Monsoon and Bobby.

[Josh Arnold]

They're absolutely. That's so great. They were one of the best comedic duos of all time.

[Bob Kevoian]

Ever.

[Tom Griswold]

Yeah. I mean, Dick the Bruiser, when I grew up here, back in the day in Indiana, where I grew up, he was a local personality. And, you know, back then, wrestlers were more regional before the wwe, you know, became what it became. But, I mean, who didn't want to go to those things and observe that whole situation?

[Bob Kevoian]

You're in the presence of someone who had Bobo Brazil steal their sandwich.

[Doug]

My Monte Cristo.

[Tom Griswold]

Really?

[Doug]

Yeah. I was working for a local television, and we would. We would broadcast the wrestling matches and I had to run camera one time because one of our camera operators couldn't make it. So afterward we all went out to dinner, you know, at 11, 12 o' clock at night. And here comes Bobo. He walks by me and he goes, you ain't gonna eat that. And grab.

[Bob Kevoian]

Really, it was interesting because those wrestling guys, they. They are very athletic, but they tend to have very long careers. Because I remember seeing Mr. Brazil when I was a little kid.

[Doug]

Yeah. And this was.

[Bob Kevoian]

Well, And. And he'd been doing it for decades.

[Doug]

This was mid-80s, and.

[Bob Kevoian]

As had Dick the Bruiser.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Tom Griswold]

Yes. Yeah.

[Doug]

Absolutely.

[Tom Griswold]

Well. And towards the end, when the WWE dropped Heenan and then he went to another league and one thing after another, and, you know, they didn't pay those guys much. WWE came to me almost every year and wanted me to become a broadcaster because I had this following with all these people from the Nickelodeon audience, and they thought they would follow me over. Oh. But the most they ever offered me and, you know, was $100,000 a year to be on the road 360 days a year. No kidding. But, you know, that's all those guys made. Heenan and all those guys, they got. They got 100 grand. That was pretty much it. Wow. And it was very sad towards the end because Bobby didn't have a lot of money. And then he got very sick. And, you know, a sad ending there. And, you know, nobody from the organization who had millions of dollars were there to help him any way, shape or form. So.

[Josh Arnold]

Were you ever a guest referee?

[Tom Griswold]

No, no, no, I did. I wish I would have been a part of that stuff, but no. And I never thought I would be a good broadcaster because I want to do real stuff. And that was always phony, fakey stuff. Sure. Entertaining to certain people, not me.

[Bob Kevoian]

Speaking of real, what temperature was the slime? Well, did they. Was it freezing cold or.

[Tom Griswold]

We would make 100 pounds of fresh whipped cream every day. Okay. And when you first get it in the morning, it's cold. And as the day sits under those hot lights, we would fill this tank full of £5,000 of baked beans or whatever. It would throughout the day, become a little rancid. And one of the worst days we ever had was we put in the baked beans. And after three days, you couldn't walk in the studio. It smelled like a garbage pit. So the question is, how do you get rid of £5,000 of baked beans? So we tried to get shovels and put them in these large garbage bags, but the bags kept breaking. So we called in a septic tank guy, you know, the guys that come in with hip waiters or whatever. And he sucked out the beans. He had no idea why. He said, why do you have £5,000 of beans in there? You know, and it's. And he was from Philly and he still talked like that, but nonetheless, he sucked all those beans. So, you know, there are stories about, you know, we were making it up as we went along, quite honestly.

[Bob Kevoian]

Is there going to be another episode that you get to host of Double Dare down the road?

[Tom Griswold]

I can't imagine. You know, Nickelodeon kind of hardly exists anymore if it wasn't for spongebob. If you ask a kid today what Nickelodeon is, they can't tell you. It's not like.

[Bob Kevoian]

But wouldn't, wouldn't the folks that were kids back then want to see you do it again?

[Tom Griswold]

The people who grew up on it who were in their 40s now would go out of their mind to do a grown up version of it. But Nickelodeon seems to have no interest in that network. They, they, you know, would have to.

[Bob Kevoian]

Buy it from MSNBC and Fox finally get together on something. We agree about this.

[Tom Griswold]

Oh, man.

[Doug]

Would you do it, Josh? You're in your 40s. You're one of these young men.

[Josh Arnold]

Would I go on double there? Absolutely.

[Doug]

That's what I thought.

[Tom Griswold]

The last tour we did, we would do the meet and greets backstage. And a lot of times it was people your age coming back. And I'd say, where are the kids? They say, oh, hell, we want to have a good time on our own. They leave the kids at home.

[Josh Arnold]

It was appointment viewing for my family.

[Tom Griswold]

Yeah. So, you know, I was honored to be, you know, whatever Soupy Sales was to me growing up, I was to a particular generation and it was able to transfer over to Food Network. And the people who started watching me at Nick followed me over there.

[Josh Arnold]

I remember specific jokes you did.

[Bob Kevoian]

I remember.

[Tom Griswold]

Really?

[Josh Arnold]

Yeah, yeah. I remember one. You're coming back from break and they were playing, oh, Johnny Winter's the Spy Song.

[Tom Griswold]

Right?

[Josh Arnold]

You remember? What was that? Oh, Secret Agent Man.

[Bob Kevoian]

Yeah, yeah, Johnny.

[Josh Arnold]

You were doing this dance, and I still picture. And it was as funny as anything.

[Tom Griswold]

It was all ad lib. Made it up as we went along. That's what I loved about it.

[Josh Arnold]

Even as a kid, I knew.

[Bob Kevoian]

Did you guys. Did you guys have a meeting prior to each. Because you said you did six in a day.

[Tom Griswold]

Did six in a day. And then we would bring kids in from the area and test physical challenges. And if they weren't done at least three times, we weren't allowed to do them. So this is a crazy story. So they did a physical challenge where there was a mailbox, you know, 20ft on the other side of the stage, and they had paper airplanes. And you. The thing was, you had to get one airplane in the mailbox. And I said, come on, let's not do. This is stupid. Nobody can do that. And then the producer said, well, now that you said that, we're going to do it. So the next day, first physical challenge, they bring out a mailbox, and here's 20 paper planes. And I looked at the camera and I said, okay, let me tell you what happened last night. We tried this physical challenge, and it couldn't get done. And I said, this is the dumbest idea I've ever seen in my life. So you've got 20 seconds to get a paper airplane into that mailbox. And if you do, I'll give you my house. Okay. On your mark, get set, go. And the first damn airplane went right into the mailbox. And that kid really enjoyed my place. Yeah. Yeah. True story.

[Bob Kevoian]

Our guest is Mark Summers, television guy.

[Tom Griswold]

You go to autograph shows?

[Josh Arnold]

I do, yeah. I. I'd like to go to one of the holiday the Hallmark conventions because I have my favorites, my favorite leads that are. But I've been to mostly horror conventions. Yeah, yeah.

[Tom Griswold]

H O R R O R. Yes.

[Josh Arnold]

Yeah. I've yet to go to the W. Yeah.

[Tom Griswold]

Whose autograph would you like that you haven't gotten yet?

[Josh Arnold]

I haven't gotten Robert England's autograph. Who played Freddy Krueger. Of course, anybody's also a classically trained actor, so, yeah, that'd probably be number one.

[Tom Griswold]

And what would be the most you would spend for an autograph boy for him.

[Josh Arnold]

I don't know what he charges, but if I. If it were like a picture with him and an 8 by 10 signed, I'd pay 80 bucks, 100 bucks.

[Tom Griswold]

Yeah. I mean, it's amazing what some of these people charge. Yeah. People pay it, you know, it's mind.

[Josh Arnold]

Boggling listening to them, listening to everybody. They seem to really enjoy the celebrities. Seem to really enjoy it because they're just beloved.

[Tom Griswold]

Yeah. They're just around nicest things.

[Josh Arnold]

Yeah.

[Tom Griswold]

And you can't believe you had that much of an impact on a particular, you know, group of humans. Yeah. And it is flattering, I will say.

[Josh Arnold]

Horror conventions are interesting because you'd think they'd be, you know. Well, yeah, there's a lot of weirdos and misfits and stuff, but it's the most positive place. They're not. There's nothing dark about it. It's all very, very celebratory and happy. It's interesting.

[Bob Kevoian]

I went with him to see Elvira.

[Josh Arnold]

Oh, yeah. I got my picture with Elvira. Yeah.

[Tom Griswold]

Known her for years. I was a warm up guy on Alice and she used to do a lot of bit parts on there all the time.

[Bob Kevoian]

Oh, nice.

[Tom Griswold]

Yeah, yeah. Nice lady. Very nice. Yeah.

[Bob Kevoian]

Do you do those? Yes. The autograph.

[Tom Griswold]

Yeah, yeah. My next one is in Minneapolis, first weekend of.

[Bob Kevoian]

And do you personalize them as, you know, to bill?

[Tom Griswold]

Oh, yeah, 100%. And, you know, they have handlers there. Thank Evans. Because people want to sit and talk to you for 15 minutes and tell you stories about the time they build an obstacle course in their dining room and their parents wanted to have them put to sleep and things like that. And, you know, you have to be nice, but on the same token, the longer you talk, that's the fewer you sign and, you know, get paid on a.

[Bob Kevoian]

Per autograph.

[Tom Griswold]

Per autograph, exactly. And then I bring merchandise. I have all the merchandise from the last Nickelodeon tour. So I bring that stuff and sell T shirts and sweatshirts and hats and, you know.

[Bob Kevoian]

But you don't have your own line of shoes.

[Tom Griswold]

No, I do not. Not yet. Reeboks. That's. That was our shoe.

[Bob Kevoian]

Go.

[Josh Arnold]

That's a tough merch. You have to have all the sizes.

[Tom Griswold]

Yeah.

[Bob Kevoian]

What if anybody does that, That's a tough.

[Josh Arnold]

What.

[Bob Kevoian]

What is the oddest, like, rock band merch that's out there. There have to be some weird things.

[Tom Griswold]

I would imagine, right?

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Josh Arnold]

I mean, Dunham sells his puppets.

[Tom Griswold]

Yes, he does. Oh, that's right. Yeah, he does. Yes. That man is worth a Fortune.

[Josh Arnold]

Yes.

[Tom Griswold]

He's a very smart man, too. Very smart man.

[Josh Arnold]

He seems to be.

[Tom Griswold]

And his following is unbelievable. And ventriloquism, since America's Got Talent has exploded. You know, there were several years there where nobody knew what a ventriloquist was, and now they're. They're seemingly all over the place in Vegas especially.

[Bob Kevoian]

Did you have any puppets when you. I know you were a magician as a kid. Did you have any Jerry Mahoney or Knucklehead Smith?

[Tom Griswold]

I wasn't particularly good at it. I did have a dinner with Paul Winchell before he passed away that was quite fascinating. Wow. Yeah, he was.

[Bob Kevoian]

Paul Winchell was a scientist also, besides ventriloquist. He worked on Heart.

[Tom Griswold]

Yeah.

[Josh Arnold]

When you make, like, a sandwich, talk.

[Tom Griswold]

Or anything, I can't tell you what he may talk.

[Bob Kevoian]

He is Mark Summers. Mark is a. An actor, a comedian, a voiceover guy. Sure. And he's got a great book out there called Everything in Its Place. Terrific. His story about, as I said earlier, his adventures with ocd. And then. Did you. I. I remember hearing. Didn't you get into some kind of argument with someone about some of the medication you were taking that got pretty nasty?

[Tom Griswold]

Well, I would go to these classes to try and, you know, fix the problem. And we had this one guy, he was a phlebotomist. Okay. So he took blood out of people.

[Bob Kevoian]

Blood guy.

[Tom Griswold]

Yeah. And. And he. He was phobic. Germ. Phobic. And he would come to the meeting every week and say, I want to stop doing this. But he wouldn't. And he wouldn't take his meds. And after a while, you kind of say, you know, I'm not here to hear you complain on a weekly basis. Do you want to get better or not? Because I really, you know, I've never done drugs or alcohol, but I'm assuming it's the same thing. Until you're ready to kick that stuff, you're not going to do it. And to come and say, I want to get better and then don't do anything. And, yes, I finally said to him, look, one of us has to leave. Either you got to keep, you know, on your meds and try to get better, or I'm leaving. And he said, see you later, and I left. Okay.

[Bob Kevoian]

But you're fine now.

[Tom Griswold]

Yeah, I'm okay. You know, I mean, I don't think I'm ever going to be normal, but, you know, I work on it a daily. Yeah. What is normal? Yeah.

[Bob Kevoian]

Yeah. Don't look around this room. No, no, we're all dented cancer.

[Tom Griswold]

I've been doing this show for 25 years and, you know, you guys are the most professional. I do two shows on a fairly regular basis. You and Preston and Steve in Philly. And just the professionalism, it's hard to find these days, but we're all sort of pioneers in doing this in broadcasting, and it doesn't exist so much anymore.

[Bob Kevoian]

Anymore. Oh, well, that's very kind.

[Josh Arnold]

We certainly appreciate you saying that.

[Tom Griswold]

That's being professional and we always have.

[Bob Kevoian]

We had that story a bunch about how dirty your phone is. Yeah, they did a thing at one of the malls and they checked phones and 99 of them had E. Coli on them.

[Tom Griswold]

And the worst is on going up on an escalator, though, they say, and touching the.

[Josh Arnold]

Yeah, I don't.

[Bob Kevoian]

I don't.

[Tom Griswold]

No, I don't get near it.

[Bob Kevoian]

I balance. But on a hazmat seat, it's like surfing.

[Tom Griswold]

Yeah.

[Bob Kevoian]

Do you do the surfing motion?

[Tom Griswold]

Can you show us that? Yeah, I like that.

[Josh Arnold]

The endless escalator.

[Bob Kevoian]

And then do you take your shirt tail and open bathroom doors and.

[Josh Arnold]

No, I don't use my shirt.

[Bob Kevoian]

Do you take like the last paper towels?

[Josh Arnold]

Absolutely.

[Bob Kevoian]

The places. The places that only have the air dryer.

[Tom Griswold]

Oh, I hate those.

[Josh Arnold]

Yep, me too.

[Bob Kevoian]

Then. Then I got. Then I've got. It's got to be shirt tail or you go back and get toilet paper to touch the door.

[Tom Griswold]

But I don't want to touch the toilet paper.

[Josh Arnold]

Right, right.

[Tom Griswold]

Some of those shirts I'd have to sell the shirt or I won't use the.

[Doug]

I know what chicks would say. The foot.

[Bob Kevoian]

The foot lever.

[Tom Griswold]

Yeah, well, the foot thing.

[Bob Kevoian]

Those are great. Well, if it's a push door. Yes, but if you got a pull.

[Tom Griswold]

But yes, you can pull.

[Josh Arnold]

You can pull with the foot thing.

[Doug]

Yes, they have a thing where you.

[Josh Arnold]

Can pull, but they don't always have that.

[Tom Griswold]

But do you see the signs in some bathrooms now that says please don't use your foot?

[Doug]

No.

[Tom Griswold]

Yes, I've seen those recently.

[Doug]

Oh, you mean on the handle?

[Tom Griswold]

Yes, because apparently it damages the handle.

[Bob Kevoian]

Oh.

[Tom Griswold]

People are just stepping down to our eyes, so.

[Josh Arnold]

Well, I'm not obeying that sign.

[Bob Kevoian]

And I'm not. I'm not averse to walking over and hitting the automatic door button with my elbow. Oh, yeah, I just did that yesterday. Went to the dermatologist. Walk up to the front door and look over. Oh, there's. Over there. Walk over.

[Doug]

Oh, you mean for the handicap door thing.

[Bob Kevoian]

Oh, so you don't touch the Hand. I don't have to touch the door.

[Tom Griswold]

Yeah, yeah. Boy, we're solving the world's problem.

[Bob Kevoian]

Then I got in, and there was a. I walked in, and there was a lady coming in, too. And she. We could both got in the elevator at the same time.

[Tom Griswold]

Oh, my God.

[Bob Kevoian]

Then we had the stereotypes. Who's gonna touch that filthy elevator button?

[Josh Arnold]

I use my knuckle.

[Tom Griswold]

Yeah, yeah. Like that makes you feel better. But it's basically the same.

[Josh Arnold]

I know, but I'm not. Yeah.

[Bob Kevoian]

And then I immediately sanitize when I get up to the.

[Doug]

Oh, God.

[Bob Kevoian]

Why don't you carry a handkerchief with you? That seems like that's disgusting. When I was a kid. No, you wouldn't blow your nose in it.

[Tom Griswold]

But I mean, touching things.

[Bob Kevoian]

No, but then it's got all the germs on it.

[Tom Griswold]

Okay.

[Bob Kevoian]

Yeah.

[Tom Griswold]

I was in a restaurant the other day, and a guy was blowing his nose in a napkin and then left it on the table. Yeah, Yeah. I mean, people are so uncouth that they would think that now somebody has to pick that.

[Josh Arnold]

Yeah, that's a bummer.

[Tom Griswold]

Yeah.

[Doug]

You need to eat in nicer places.

[Bob Kevoian]

What are you eating? This is me, a man. New talk show. Welcome to what's Disgusting. Okay, how about this one? You're in a hotel room. Mark Summers. You stay at some nice hotels. You're at some convention.

[Tom Griswold]

Right.

[Bob Kevoian]

I would, of course, get up and go down to the coffee place or a restaurant. Do you ever make the coffee in the room and use that coffee maker?

[Tom Griswold]

I don't drink coffee, number one.

[Bob Kevoian]

Oh, that's a shame.

[Tom Griswold]

But no, I wouldn't touch it because God knows that thing probably hasn't been cleaned.

[Bob Kevoian]

Well, there was a. There was a Internet rumor a few years ago that stewardesses, flight attendants would put their hosiery in those delicates. They're delicate things, underwear. And clean them. And I don't know if it's true or not, but I think for some men, that might be kind of a turn. Oh, this. This coffee tastes. Yes.

[Josh Arnold]

Are these Lululemon notes of Sally stuff?

[Bob Kevoian]

I don't think ladies wear hosiery. That's it for another Bob and Tom show. Extra.

[Tom Griswold]

Catch us on itunes.

[Bob Kevoian]

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[Tom Griswold]

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[Bob Kevoian]

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[Bob Kevoian]

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[Tom Griswold]

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