25W: Big Pickleball Update on Bobby vs. Guy in Ohio +  Best Dunkers in NBA history + Damon Stoudemire on Patrick Mahomes Coming to their Game

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Bobby Bones Show – Episode 25W

Title: Big Pickleball Update on Bobby vs. Guy in Ohio + Best Dunkers in NBA History + Damon Stoudemire on Patrick Mahomes Coming to Their Game
Host: Premiere Networks
Release Date: February 28, 2025

This summary captures the key discussions, insights, and conclusions from Episode 25W of "The Bobby Bones Show." Notable quotes are included with speaker attribution and timestamps.

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1. Pickleball Challenge: Bobby vs. The Ohio Troll

Timestamp: [05:01] – [06:15]

Overview:
Bobby Bones shares his experience challenging a Twitter user—a four-year Division I athlete from Ohio—to a pickleball match for $1,000. The challenge arose after Bobby posted a video demonstrating his pickleball skills, only to receive negative feedback from the troll.

Key Points:

• Eddie's Proposal: Bobby outlines his reluctance to engage due to concerns about being scammed, emphasizing the need for secure handling of the wager.

  Eddie: "We are the underdogs. All good. I stand. I never. I've never said this. I stand on business." ([04:50])

• Discussion on Security: The hosts debate various methods to ensure the transaction is safe, including using Venmo or money orders, but ultimately acknowledge the difficulties in trusting an anonymous challenger.

• Call to Listeners: Bobby invites listeners to suggest secure ways to facilitate the challenge, highlighting community involvement in resolving such issues.

2. The Tush Push Debate: Should It Be Banned?

Timestamp: [06:15] – [13:03]

Overview:
The hosts delve into the controversy surrounding the "Tush Push," a popular offensive play used predominantly by the Philadelphia Eagles. They discuss whether the play should be banned and explore its impact on the game.

Key Points:

• Bobby's Stance: Bobby passionately defends the Tush Push, labeling it as a genius play that enhances the game despite criticism.

  Bobby Bones: "The Tush Push is awesome. It's genius, and it should remain the way it is." ([07:20])

• Eddie and Mike's Perspectives: While Bobby supports the play, Eddie remains concerned about potential scams associated with challenges, and Mike suggests minor tweaks rather than an outright ban.

  Mike: "Maybe we could tweak it like they lined everybody up on the line. They have two guys behind them to push them... you're only allowed one guy behind him." ([08:10])

• NFL’s Position: The discussion references an ESPN report mentioning the Packers' desire to ban the Tush Push due to their struggles against it, contrasting with the Eagles' success.

• Television Viewership: The hosts argue that while the NFL might consider banning the play for its impact on television drama, Bobby contends that the play's strategic brilliance outweighs concerns about viewership boredom.

  Eddie: "It's really a television show because that's where the money is." ([09:05])

3. Rob Gronkowski's Potential Return to the NFL

Timestamp: [13:03] – [17:00]

Overview:
The conversation shifts to rumors about former tight end Rob Gronkowski contemplating a return to the NFL. The hosts analyze potential teams he might join and the implications of his comeback.

Key Points:

• Potential Teams: Eddie speculates that Gronkowski might join teams like the Carolina Panthers or Cincinnati Bengals, citing his relationship with Broncos quarterback Bo Nixon.

  Eddie: "The Bengals are one of the teams they think he could go to." ([14:13])

• Challenges of Returning: The hosts debate the physical demands of returning after retirement, considering Gronkowski's age (35) and past injuries.

  Mike: "He looks like broken down RoboCop..." ([14:13])

• Impact on Teams: Discussion on how Gronkowski’s presence could bolster teams seeking championship potential, while also highlighting the difficulty of adapting to the current physicality of the game.

4. Best Dunkers in NBA History

Timestamp: [17:00] – [22:23]

Overview:
Bobby, Eddie, and Mike engage in a spirited debate about the greatest dunkers in NBA history. They share personal selections, discuss iconic dunks, and critique the official rankings.

Key Points:

• Eddie's Choices: Eddie initially selects Michael Jordan and Dominique Wilkins, later surprised by the omission of Vince Carter and others.

  Eddie: "That's exactly who I saw was like, how did I miss Vince Carter?" ([19:37])

• Missing Names: The hosts express regret over excluding notable dunkers like Vince Carter, Sean Kemp, and Kobe Bryant from their personal lists.

  Mike: "Sean Kemp. Great call. Did make the list." ([20:00])

• Steph Curry and Peja's Segment: A brief reprise where Steph Curry and Peja Stojaković discuss their own rankings, adding another layer to the conversation.

  Peja Stojaković: "Peja 5 Dirk Ford." ([23:36])

5. Goat Greatest of Their Era with Steph Curry and Peja Stojaković

Timestamp: [22:23] – [24:18]

Overview:
A segment featuring Steph Curry and Peja Stojaković discussing their podcast "Goat Greatest of Their Era," where they ranked top shooters from the 2000s.

Key Points:

• Elite Shooters: Steph and Peja highlight what separates truly elite shooters in the NBA, focusing on defensive strategies against them.

  Peja Stojaković: "There's a fear factor that's associated with anytime you're wide open..." ([23:51])

• Ranking Process: The discussion underscores the criteria for ranking shooters, emphasizing scouting reports and defensive planning.

  Steph Curry: "Listen to Goat G O T E Greatest of their era on the iHeartRadio app..." ([24:10])

6. Interview with Grant McCasland, Head Basketball Coach at Texas Tech

Timestamp: [26:19] – [58:06]

Overview:
Eddie hosts Grant McCasland, sharing insights into his coaching philosophy, team dynamics, and personal experiences managing a high-profile role in college basketball.

Key Points:

• Coaching Philosophy:

  • Defense and Offense Balance: Coach McCasland emphasizes the importance of a strong defense as a foundation for success while also valuing offensive prowess.

    Dallas Goddard: "The best free throw percentage in the history of the school." ([40:09])

  • Player Relationships: He highlights the significance of building strong relationships with players over focusing solely on procedural aspects like tournament seedings.

    Dallas Goddard: "I'd have invested in a relationship with someone that actually would have made an impact on winning." ([42:45])

• Handling Pressure and Performance:

  • Free Throw Strategies: Discusses prioritizing recruitment of proficient free throw shooters over extensive practice routines, attributing success to confidence and repetition.

    Dallas Goddard: "It's a lot more mental than it is physical in a lot of ways." ([41:33])

  • Peaking and Team Health: Emphasizes maintaining team health and fostering a positive belief in collective strengths to avoid burnout and fatigue during long seasons.

    Dallas Goddard: "How healthy can you be? And that's probably the greatest determining factor..." ([49:19])

• Interactions with Referees:

  • Respectful Communication: Advocates for respectful yet assertive communication with referees, aiming to maintain positive relationships while addressing contentious calls.

    Dallas Goddard: "How do you communicate in a way that's respectful but doesn't imply that they're not doing a great job." ([46:16])

• Personal Insights:

  • Family and Competition: Shares how his competitive nature extends to his family life, fostering a supportive environment that values effort over purely performance-based achievements.

    Dallas Goddard: "The only thing that really is important. And I think in that my relationship with my wife is what's that?" ([54:56])

  • Inspirational References: Uses "Shawshank Redemption" as a motivational tool, encouraging players to persevere through challenges.

    Dallas Goddard: "It's like this mental imagery of the freedom that you have..." ([53:41])

7. Closing Remarks and Future Episodes

Timestamp: [58:25] – [61:28]

Overview:
The show wraps up with friendly banter about upcoming episodes, gambling anecdotes, and teasers for future guests, including Damon Stoudemire.

Key Points:

• Upcoming Guests: Announcement of Damon Stoudemire joining the show to discuss his NBA career and insights on Patrick Mahomes' appearance.

• Listener Engagement: Encouragement for listeners to subscribe, review, and participate in future challenges.

  Bobby Bones: "Tell your friends, right? Like, oh, I listen to this podcast. You should too post it." ([02:35])

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Notable Quotes:

• Bobby Bones on Tush Push:

  "The Tush Push is awesome. It's genius, and it should remain the way it is." ([07:20])

• Dallas Goddard on Coaching Philosophy:

  "I think the key is just how healthy can you be? And that's probably the greatest determining factor of whether you go into these tournaments, you know, peaking is whether you're healthy." ([49:19])

• Eddie on Handling Challenges:

  "I understand I'd probably be the underdog in this situation, but I don't care." ([05:01])

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Conclusion:
Episode 25W of "The Bobby Bones Show" offers a diverse range of topics, from Bobby's adventurous pickleball challenge and a deep dive into NFL strategies, to engaging discussions on NBA dunkers and a comprehensive interview with a college basketball coach. The hosts blend sports analysis with personal anecdotes, providing listeners with both entertainment and insightful commentary.

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Transcript

[Bobby Bones]

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[Eddie]

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[Eddie]

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[Dallas Goddard]

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[Eddie]

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[Mike]

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[Eddie]

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[Mike]

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[Eddie]

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[Mike]

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[Eddie]

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[Mike]

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[Eddie]

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[Mike]

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[Eddie]

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[Dallas Goddard]

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[Eddie]

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[Dallas Goddard]

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[Eddie]

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[Steph Curry]

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[Peja Stojaković]

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[Steph Curry]

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[Peja Stojaković]

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[Steph Curry]

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[Eddie]

This is a podcast called 25 Whistles. Talking sports and they all wear a whistle yet stupid. But what did you expect? It's a podcast called 25 Whistles.

[Dallas Goddard]

25 Whistles.

[Eddie]

Blow the whistle do we ever keep track of how many episodes we're in, Mike? We do that anymore?

[Mike]

Yeah, yeah.

[Eddie]

1,000,082.

[Mike]

1 8.

[Eddie]

182 of this season. Yeah. Dang. Good for us. Dang. I wish the money was rolling in. Like we'd done a bunch.

[Bobby Bones]

No, 82. That's a lot.

[Eddie]

Yeah. Hey, guys.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

Everybody out there listening. If you listen to this, would you please subscribe on our own channel? And then if you don't mind like giving us a review and then anything like that would be great.

[Bobby Bones]

And tell your friends, right? Like, oh, I listen to this podcast. You should too post it. I mean.

[Eddie]

Yeah, yeah, please.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

Drop it in the group text. Yeah, please, God. Like, I'll be honest. We need the help. So. Yeah. Thank you all for listening. I do have an update if you're ready for an update. I'm ready for an update on the pickleball situation. Oh. For those that are new, I post a video of me just hitting a pickleball and some troll jumps up and goes, you suck. I can tell you suck because you didn't come up to the net. And I'm like, bro, you think I'm planning a tournament. It was like the first day back after winter. And so I'm like, let's go. Let's play the game. Me and you. Thousand bucks. All I did was challenge the troll. And apparently he's a four year D1 athlete. And whatever. I hear you.

[Bobby Bones]

Whatever.

[Eddie]

I'm willing to go against a 4 year D1 athlete just to try to fight a troll.

[Bobby Bones]

Boom.

[Eddie]

Because I don't like people to jump in with negativity for no reason. And I understand I'd probably be the underdog in this situation, but I don't care. And he's like, here's my home court. But here's the thing. I said, we'll play for money, but I don't want to get scammed. I've been scammed more than once with money, doing content where I'm like, here's 500 bucks. And then it's the wrong. Doesn't matter. How do I get the money to somewhere? And he gets the money to somewhere. Like, who's the somewhere? Yeah, that's interesting because I do not want to get scammed. And I'm also just not going to believe somebody because if we go up there, we go up there. We're the underdogs. All good. We take the whole crew, we shoot it. I stand. I never. I've never said this. I stand on business. I know I've Never actually said that. I don't know how I felt, but I tried it. I don't want to go in and be like, I'm not giving you the money.

[Bobby Bones]

So if you do like a Venmo account, right, it doesn't matter whose it is. You have a Venmo account. It shows that the money is in there. Right?

[Eddie]

Right, it does. But who gets to know the person that has the Venmo account? Because if I were him, I wouldn't trust. If I'm like, just send me the thousand bucks and I'll hold it, or one of my boys will hold it. I don't know that I would trust that. And if he did the same thing, like send it here or send it to something I have access to, that's me getting scammed.

[Bobby Bones]

And then can we trust going all the way to Cleveland.

[Eddie]

It's somewhere in Ohio. I think it's.

[Bobby Bones]

So we go all the way to Ohio and he doesn't show up. Like, that's not good either.

[Eddie]

Right.

[Bobby Bones]

So we need to have the money before anyone travels anyway.

[Eddie]

Correct. So here's the challenge. Because I want to do this and to me it doesn't matter. It's not about winning or losing. I want to win for sure and I want to win the money. But it's mostly like, if people are going to troll, they should be called out for it. Yeah, I want to do it. I just need to do it in a way that it's safe to put my money somewhere. So think about this. This is going to be the challenge. Or if you're listening and you know how we could do this because he's like, let's go. But I haven't responded yet because I don't know how to do this without getting possibly scammed.

[Mike]

You couldn't do like the half and half, right? 500 isn't enough.

[Eddie]

Where does it go?

[Mike]

Yeah, that's another. I'm just. Yeah, I don't.

[Eddie]

We both would have to do that. But it's the same point. It's like, who's holding it and whoever's holding it. If they're connected to one of the two sides, I know we're trustworthy. But he doesn't know that. And I don't even know who he is. I don't even know his name.

[Bobby Bones]

Do you know what he looks like?

[Eddie]

I have no idea what he looks like. I probably don't want to know. I'm probably intimidated. He's a four year D1 athlete, but I'm not scared to go and Play. I just don't want to get scammed. So think about that. And if any listeners out there, you want to send me a DM and Mr. Bobby Bones, let me know what we could do. That's awesome, too. But I also have to think about him going, I'm not putting my money somewhere. I don't know.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

So, I mean, you could go old school and both get a money order and, like, send a picture of the money order to the other person to prove that it's. That it's set. But I think if I were trying.

[Bobby Bones]

Okay, then I don't even know what a money order.

[Eddie]

Then I try to scam it myself. Then I go, okay, I took a picture. Then I would just go and take it back. Right. Could you get me? Because if I'm putting it in his name, he may never get it. If I win, he's not getting it.

[Bobby Bones]

It's true. I wish my dad was still alive, man. He used to deal with people from Mexico. That was always like. This was always the conversation, like, how do I get money?

[Eddie]

Yeah, we would do money orders. That's what we would do. So that's where we are. Think about it. That's number one here on the list. Number two. I do want to talk about the Tush Push for a second.

[Bobby Bones]

Oh, come on.

[Eddie]

Do you think they should eliminate the Tush Push before we get into, what, the teams. And again, we're recording this on Thursday, so when it comes out on Friday. I don't think they'd have voted by then.

[Mike]

No, I think it's just a lot of talk during the combine stuff. Right.

[Bobby Bones]

Except the median, I think, is, like, in a couple weeks.

[Eddie]

Okay, great. First, the Tush push. Should it be banned, Eddie?

[Bobby Bones]

No way, Jose. You do not punish a team or a coach for coming up with this amazing play that is pretty much unstoppable. I think it's awesome. And there is no excuse. Like, it's a safety issue. It wasn't a safety issue. Like, come on. Football is a safety issue. The Tush Push is awesome. It's genius, and it should remain the way it is.

[Eddie]

Thanks, Socrates. Football is a safety issue. You got it. Town score in Athens. Then preaching to you.

[Bobby Bones]

You hate it because you can't stop it now. It is frustrating. I get it. We've been on the other side of the Tush Push. It's frustrating. But as you. I don't know, man. They just. Somebody came up with a great idea, and it works.

[Eddie]

Kevin.

[Mike]

I say no.

[Eddie]

Let's not get wishy Washy, but no, go ahead.

[Mike]

But maybe we could tweak it.

[Eddie]

Okay.

[Mike]

How so what about tweaking it like they lined everybody up on the line. They have two guys behind them to push them. You're only allowed one guy behind him, and then another guy's got to go out as wide receiver.

[Eddie]

Okay.

[Mike]

So you got to tweak the alignment and the formation a little bit to maybe give a little less advantage. So it makes every other team happy and still makes Eagles like, okay, we could still do it with a little tweak here.

[Eddie]

Can I ask a question about that?

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

Do we really think that two people pushing affects it more than one person?

[Mike]

No, but it's still making this GM happy and the other around the league happy and making everybody happy.

[Eddie]

Yours is more of a diplomatic give than something that would actually change the tush push. Okay, I'm with you. Yeah. And I agree with both of you in that the Eagles kind of discovered it, did their thing, and everybody else is just mad because they can't do the thing. And people have tried. Buffalo, I think, was number two. They did it far less, but Buffalo was number two. But then playoffs, Buffalo couldn't even get it to work.

[Mike]

Five times, I think. Right.

[Eddie]

They couldn't even get it. Couldn't even get it to work. So I'll give you my answer. I'll read you the story first from espn. The mystery team proposing a ban of the Eagles Tush push is the packers, which, by the way, they don't even play them. I mean, once, maybe. I mean, imagine if you're also over in the NFC East. You have to play them twice. But the NFL's EVP of football operations, Troy Vincent, initially chose not to identify the team, but Packers GM Brian Guta Kunst later owned it. At the NFL combine, he admitted the packers, quote, hadn't been very successful against it.

[Dallas Goddard]

And.

[Eddie]

And he expects, quote, a lot of discussions about it. One of those discussions might be that team should figure out how to defend it instead of outright banning it. A move that Eagles coach Nick Sirianni says would be unfair to his team from, again, espn. I'm going to say ban it. Ooh. And not for the reasons that you guys say, because I agree with both of you. Like, the Eagles came up with something. Nobody can stop it. You got it, buddy. It's terribly boring for television. And I'm always a. This is a television show because that's where the money is. Product first. So if you were just playing, it wasn't on tv, great. I don't Think the Eagles cheated? I think it's a great idea, but it's boring to watch because there really is no drama on a fourth and one when the Eagles have the ball.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

So I think it was wildly smart. But if I'm only speaking selfishly and, and as a network executive or, or as the NFL that cares about television, I probably am not allowing it unless there are certain things like you can only tush push inside the five. Like I think there are modifications that you can make the tush push inside the five or you get two tush pushes a game, period.

[Bobby Bones]

That's funny.

[Mike]

Like challenges, they gotta decide.

[Eddie]

Like in my Madden league that we play in because the quarterback sneak, it's kind of a glitch where you can get it to work almost every time for 2 yards. It's not even the tush push. You just quarterback sneak, you know you're gonna get two yards. We can only quarterback sneak twice a game. In a user game we're playing another player. If we're playing the computer, we do it all day. But we can only quarterback sneak twice a game because it's a bit of a glitch. But I would say the Eagles tush push is a bit of a glitch. They figured out. So for television reasons only, I don't like the tush push being able to be done on the 38 yard line and six times in a game. So I'm going to say no tush push. Oh, but we want the tush push. We're being okay, let's compromise. You get two a game, that's it. Or tush push all you want inside the five.

[Mike]

Dang, that's such a better compromise than mine.

[Eddie]

But if I'm not compromising, I'm just going no tush push for television reasons. Because admit it's boring.

[Bobby Bones]

Oh yeah, it's boring. But you know what's not boring is when a team hires a physics professor to figure out the the physics of how to stop something like this and they actually stop it.

[Eddie]

That's boring. If somebody's hiring a physics, that's boring dude. But if they stop it, but they can't, nobody can consistently somebody is going.

[Bobby Bones]

To figure out how to stop it.

[Eddie]

I don't think it's a physics thing.

[Bobby Bones]

You don't think so?

[Eddie]

No, because I think it's a quarterback that has very strong legs and a center that has a very strong butt and players that have now run it and know how to do it and not be injured. I don't think it's a physics thing.

[Bobby Bones]

Then maybe like you get all of your linemen on your team, backups and everything, and forget the secondary whenever they show tush push. Your biggest men on the field can't.

[Eddie]

Do that unless you substitute. Like they can't substitute on defense unless the offense substitutes.

[Bobby Bones]

Really? I didn't know that. I changed that then.

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Changed that rule. Dang.

[Eddie]

I think it's hilarious. I love the tush push if it's my team, so I don't think there's anything wrong with it. But I. I'm bored by it. And so the NFL does not want people to be bored by anything, which is why they protect their quarterbacks.

[Bobby Bones]

Sure.

[Mike]

It is a matter of time. You would think that.

[Bobby Bones]

What, they ban it?

[Mike]

They ban it.

[Dallas Goddard]

Well.

[Eddie]

And remember two years ago, you couldn't use your hands or your body to influence anybody going forward.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

You couldn't push them, grab them, you couldn't pull. That was a rule. It's not as much anymore because the tush push is just that, everybody leaning in. And maybe you just do tush push, but there's nobody pushing the tush. It's just a quarterback sneak. But then it's just a quarterback sneak.

[Dallas Goddard]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

So there's really no tush in the push. But I'm going to go ban it because I'm bored by it. Next up, Gronk may be coming back to the NFL.

[Bobby Bones]

No, stop it. He can't.

[Mike]

He looks like he sees Travis Kelsey. He's like, I can do it.

[Bobby Bones]

He looks like broken down RoboCop like his. His last season with the Bucks. Like he just. It looked like if he got hit hard, he was not going to get back up.

[Mike]

He always looked like that, though.

[Bobby Bones]

Not when he was younger.

[Eddie]

He's only 35.

[Bobby Bones]

Well, yeah, that's crazy.

[Eddie]

And that's on the older end. But it's not like he's 43 and he is a monster. A new report suggests that future hall of Fame tight end Rob Gronkowski may not yet be done. The four time super bowl champion is working out in Vail, Colorado and is contemplating retiring from retirement. These same sources say that Gronk has liked what he's seen from Broncos quarterback Bo Nixon. And also the Bengals are one of the teams they think he could go to.

[Bobby Bones]

Interesting.

[Eddie]

He's not going to go to the Patriots. He's not going to go to the Bucs. He went to the Bucs for Brady. He's not going to the Patriots because they suck. If you're Gronk and you're going to go play. You're going to go play at somebody who gives you a chance to win a championship. So that would be fun. I think that would be extremely hard for him to do. Being out of the league for so long, when you're known for being such a physical player, it's probably hard to jump back in and be as physical. Because it wasn't like he was known for his precision.

[Mike]

No. And his body, I mean.

[Bobby Bones]

Oh, it took a toll, dude. Towards the end, like, one hit will.

[Mike]

Be like, okay, I'm good on this actually.

[Eddie]

I don't know. Dude, he's huge.

[Mike]

He is a monster.

[Bobby Bones]

Have you met him?

[Eddie]

No.

[Bobby Bones]

Did we see him at the Super Bowl? He was there at. On Radio Row, but I don't know if any of us ever saw him.

[Mike]

I never saw him cuz I did.

[Bobby Bones]

See videos later that he was there.

[Eddie]

Okay, so you're saying you didn't see him, a person, you just knew he was in the same place? Correct. Because I was saying, is he massive? A really good friend that's really good friends with them. And a couple times he's been like, are you here? I'm here with Gronk. And like I once talked to Gronk sister once for a birthday.

[Mike]

Like the random.

[Eddie]

I sent her a video.

[Mike]

Yeah, like a cameo or my friend.

[Eddie]

That'S friends with Gronk was like, hey, Gronk sister is here. He doesn't call him Gronk, he calls him Rob. Basically. He's like, gronk sister is here. She's a big fan. It's her birthday. We're doing. Would you send her a video saying Happy Birthday? So I just sent him a video of me going, hey, Gronk sister wasn't her name, but yeah, that's awesome.

[Mike]

I know it's not the same, but we saw Jimmy Graham. Oh, that's cool. Yeah, he was at the stage right next to us at one point. He was tall and just like.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, when. When you. When those guys look big on the field, you know they're just ginormous.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

Yes. Because they're up against other big people. Like when I met Eli Manning years ago, Eli Manning doesn't look big on the field. Eli Manning is a monster. And that's just being even with those people. When someone. It's a great point. When someone looks big, even on the field, they're huge. I was blown away by the Rams offensive lineman. He came on the show.

[Mike]

Andrew Whitworth.

[Eddie]

Andrew Whitworth. Blown away with how massive he was.

[Bobby Bones]

Huge.

[Eddie]

He was basketball player height, professional basketball player height, and then offensive lineman weight. Yeah, I don't know how you get around that.

[Mike]

And Cam Hayward, he was a monster.

[Eddie]

Oh, God. Yeah, I do.

[Mike]

Was scary looking.

[Bobby Bones]

You remember him?

[Eddie]

I do remember him because I didn't know he was at first, but I would say he was scary looking in that he was big and. Oh my gosh, he was huge angry.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

But he. I don't think he was like Wentworth size because I don't think he was as tall.

[Bobby Bones]

No, no, he's not as tall as Whitworth. Whitworth was like, you can see him in a sea of people and his head is above everyone else. He.

[Eddie]

Okay, get this. He's 331 pounds.

[Bobby Bones]

That's a big old boy.

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

And then what's his height?

[Mike]

What was he, 6, 7, 6?

[Eddie]

He's got to be at least. Yeah, he's got. He's 6, 7, 6, 7 3, 30. That's like Gladiator. That's like back in the day, he'd have been in the middle of Coliseum, like, fighting people because he's so big. Huh? Yeah. Wild. They ranked the best dunkers in NBA history. Now, I've seen the list. So unfair. But I think I can do. Had I not seen the list, I can give you a rough overview who I said not have been wrong on some of them, because I would have only been going from slam dunk contests, from being a kid. So I would have picked people like Spud Webb. He won it in like 84, I think. And he was five foot six.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

Because he was tiny and he wasn't the best dunker. But the fact that someone that small could dunk, which I thought was crazy. Like, I would have thought of Spud Webb. Just some of the dunk contest winners I think about, like Dee Brown. He did the look into the Arm Celtics.

[Mike]

Oh, yeah.

[Eddie]

That was like in a big Sports Illustrated fold out. Like, that was cool. But he wasn't like a crazy good NBA player that was dunking all the time in games. I would have picked Dominique Wilkins because how angry he was when he dunked in games and in slam dunk contests. Obviously I had to pick Michael Jordan just because he has very famous dunks and he dunked a lot. But he has some really famous dunks.

[Mike]

And his logo is a dunk.

[Bobby Bones]

Yes, it is. The Jumpman's a dunk.

[Eddie]

No.

[Mike]

Right.

[Eddie]

That picture didn't come from him dunking.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, but he did it at some point.

[Eddie]

Yeah, I remember.

[Bobby Bones]

See, like, maybe he Recreated or something. Maybe during a slam dunk contest. But he did do.

[Eddie]

The picture was first.

[Bobby Bones]

I bet you're right about that.

[Eddie]

And the picture was not him dunking. It was just like him jumping. Yeah. Something weird like posing. It wasn't even. Yeah. Mike, would you mind looking that up?

[Bobby Bones]

Or could it be a celebration? Like, you know how you jump up.

[Eddie]

And fist pump and I feel like it was something contrived and set up, but it wasn't a dunk. Michael, find it. Oh, we'll mention in a minute. So that had been who I'd have put on the list. And of that I would have only gotten Jordan and Dominique Wright. So when I say best dunkers of all time. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. And I remember they didn't even dunk until like 40 years ago. Like in the early black and white days, you had a couple and that was like crazy. Yeah, it was all like white guy plumbers and, you know, they weren't dunking. But who comes to you guys mind is the. Oh, this one's one I should have got. Yeah. Have you seen the list?

[Mike]

No, I haven't. But the first person that pops in my mind who want me to go.

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Vince Carter.

[Eddie]

That's exactly who I saw was like, how did I miss Vince Carter?

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

And then Vince Carter dunked all the time on everybody, big or small, and.

[Mike]

He had like the greatest dunk contest of all time.

[Eddie]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Mike]

In my memory, at least.

[Bobby Bones]

More than my lifetime. Better than McClung.

[Mike]

I mean, there's no car involved.

[Eddie]

There was no saying no. 3. Pete. Mike, what'd you find?

[Mike]

Yeah, it was just during a photo shoot.

[Eddie]

He just jumped up at a photo shoot. Yeah, they were taking a picture and he's like, I'm going to do a ballet move. And he. That's what it was, a ballet move. Good, good. Fine. Good find. Good find. Okay, Vince Carter on the list.

[Mike]

Sean Kemp.

[Eddie]

Great call. Did make the list. Hard dunker like that mother effort could dunk. That's how intense it feels with Sean Kemp.

[Bobby Bones]

Oh, yeah. Eddie Mailman, Carl Malone.

[Eddie]

Nah, he could. He mean, he could donk.

[Bobby Bones]

But yeah, I remember I had a poster where he was dunking. That's the only reason, I guess.

[Eddie]

Not on. Not on the list. List is bro Bible and a bunch of people that had contributed to it. Not saying. You're wrong. Hey, he could dunk, man.

[Bobby Bones]

He could dunk.

[Mike]

You know, it was. Sorry, go ahead.

[Bobby Bones]

I'm thinking.

[Mike]

Kind of underrated in his game because he's such a Great player, but Kobe Bryant could dunk. He throws down some good ones.

[Eddie]

Yeah. Kobe did not make the list. This is one that I should have thought of and didn't because it's recent enough. Is Blake Griffin.

[Mike]

Oh, duh.

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Lob City.

[Eddie]

Yes. Him and Chris Paul. Yeah.

[Mike]

That was nasty.

[Eddie]

Yes. It was all dunked. All time. Yeah. Like, I would have missed that one. And then I would have hated myself for it. Okay, anybody else?

[Mike]

How many do we have left?

[Eddie]

Just four.

[Bobby Bones]

The whole list.

[Eddie]

And I'll say this. One of them still plays. Two of them are in our lifetime of watching basketball and one is not. So go old.

[Bobby Bones]

Old school.

[Eddie]

Old, Old. We never watch.

[Mike]

Dr. J.

[Eddie]

Correct. Julie Sarvin.

[Bobby Bones]

That's good. Kevin.

[Eddie]

Three left, one one plays right now.

[Mike]

John Moran.

[Eddie]

Oh, but that's a good one, though, because that dude flies out of everywhere.

[Bobby Bones]

He's so fast.

[Eddie]

And he dunks on people. All sizes.

[Mike]

Russell Westbrook.

[Eddie]

No, go more. More famous. Way more famous.

[Mike]

Way more way. Oh, LeBron.

[Eddie]

Yes.

[Mike]

Duh.

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

We're so dumb.

[Mike]

We're thinking too much.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

The other two I don't think you're going to get just by guessing. I'll say one of them. A very famous Phoenix son. Not Charles Barkley. A very famous Phoenix son. We saw. And Nick. And Nick.

[Mike]

Mari Sotomayor.

[Eddie]

Yes, Mari Sotomayor.

[Mike]

He was awesome.

[Eddie]

Yeah, he was awesome. And the other one? Jason Richardson.

[Mike]

Oh, yeah. Jay Richards.

[Eddie]

Oh, you know, I'm well enough call him Jay Rich.

[Bobby Bones]

Who did he play for?

[Mike]

Golden State. He was bouncing around.

[Eddie]

He bounced around.

[Mike]

Golden State was.

[Eddie]

I wonder who you thought. Who you saw him playing with. Because I thought Golden State, too.

[Mike]

Yeah, that's why I affiliated. But I know he bounced around.

[Eddie]

Okay, cool. Everybody feel good about that?

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Mm.

[Eddie]

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[Steph Curry]

Make some Noise for the greatest shooter of all time, Steph Curry. We went live from All Star Weekend for our new podcast called Goat Greatest of their Era. And we ranked our top five shooters from the 2000s.

[Peja Stojaković]

Peja 5. Dirk Ford.

[Steph Curry]

Peja is elite.

[Dallas Goddard]

I'm mad him.

[Eddie]

I left him off my list, but I still like my list.

[Steph Curry]

You won't believe who Steph left off his list.

[Peja Stojaković]

That's so tough. That's why we have these conversations.

[Steph Curry]

Yes, absolutely.

[Peja Stojaković]

Love it.

[Steph Curry]

Steph talked about what separates the truly elite NBA shooters.

[Peja Stojaković]

When you have a scouting report and you're on the list as not just a shooter, but we have specific rules for how we guard you. There's a fear factor that's associated with anytime you're wide open, like, you might as well just count that and get on back on defense.

[Steph Curry]

Listen to Goat G O T E Greatest of their era on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Eddie]

We got a guest coming up in a second. We like talking college basketball. Eddie's been losing a lot of money on college basketball.

[Bobby Bones]

Actually, I made some good money on Florida the other night that Florida was down. They were playing Georgia, which Georgia's a little sneaky team, man.

[Eddie]

Georgia, yeah. But they kind of suck. Okay, sneaky's a good point. Because they can win a game, but they're not going to win a lot of games.

[Bobby Bones]

There are a handful of sneaky teams, which I love at this time of year. I'm, like, starting to collect my little notes of like, watch out.

[Eddie]

They're not making the tournament, though.

[Bobby Bones]

Georgia.

[Eddie]

Nah.

[Bobby Bones]

But just because they're in the sec. Probably. But, you know, like Texas A and M. Sneaky team. Sneaky team.

[Eddie]

Texas A and M. They don't play offense. I mean, they do. They have to, but they beat people up defensively do. Where that hurts you in the tournament, though, is if you can't play offense.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

And the refs are very consistent in the tournament because they are graded every game to see if they get to move on to the next game. So there's no, hey, we're going to play it this way tonight. Which kind of happens around the country in different leagues and by different refs. They know they're getting ready to go to the next game. So if you're a great defensive team, that helps. But if you have no offense at times because of how they're calling the game, you can really get yourself in trouble. I've watched too much sec. I can, like, break down all the teams I'm Sorry to interrupt. I'm sorry. Go ahead.

[Bobby Bones]

No, that's good. But anyway, Florida was playing Georgia and they were down by 20 points. So I was like, come on, this cannot end this way. So I got him at plus 10, plus 8, plus 5. It was one of those games, you know, where I'm like, I got to just keep going, keep going, keep going. And they lost by four points.

[Eddie]

So you hit that?

[Bobby Bones]

I hit all three of them. I'm like, let's go.

[Eddie]

I ribbon to something on Instagram that I wanted to bring up. And that's how I save a lot of my stuff now, is I ribbon it. Mike, how do I find my ribbons? Instagram has changed.

[Mike]

Should be able to go to your bookmarks on your profile.

[Bobby Bones]

Oh, is that what the ribbon is, a bookmark? That makes sense.

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Mike]

I didn't know what he was talking about at first.

[Eddie]

Go to three dots on the side on the top right of your profile. So the three slashes now?

[Mike]

Yeah, the slashes.

[Eddie]

Okay. Settings and activity. We're doing this together.

[Mike]

And you should see this.

[Eddie]

Saved little boom. Got it. Thank you. That's where it is.

[Bobby Bones]

What are you looking for?

[Eddie]

I had saved this thing that DraftKings had done. It was AI predicts where these free agents will end up. So number one, T. Higgins. This is AI that predicted. They typed all this crap in and gave all the scenarios. T. Higgins to the Carolina Panthers.

[Mike]

Oh, boring.

[Bobby Bones]

That was that Cowboys.

[Eddie]

But it had to be about money, right? Because if the Bengals don't because they have Burrow, they're paying him a ton. Jamar, they have three other players and that's four. They're going to do four with basically max contracts.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

Two wide receivers, obviously, one edge. And they said they may have to with Higgins. Do the one year franchise. Yeah. Tag him. And he doesn't want to be tagged. So they say Panthers digs to the Cowboys.

[Bobby Bones]

Stefan with his bro. That'd be cool. Together.

[Eddie]

That would be cool. This is AI too, by the way.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

What are they?

[Eddie]

Cooper cup to the Chargers. That'd be easy. Yeah, you gotta move.

[Bobby Bones]

Stays there.

[Eddie]

Amari Cooper to the Ravens.

[Bobby Bones]

Oh, gosh.

[Eddie]

They could use him.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

I feel like he'd be better though there too, because the Cowboys suck.

[Bobby Bones]

He wasn't with the Cowboys. He was with.

[Eddie]

No, when he was though.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

Yeah. But that's the last time I saw him play consistently. He put Browns, Browns, Bills. The Browns didn't count.

[Mike]

He hardly played on the Bills.

[Bobby Bones]

He really didn't.

[Eddie]

And the Browns didn't count because they would have a quarterback.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

So, like, I feel like the last time I saw him have a chance was the Cowboys and they didn't. They sucked.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

No offense, dude.

[Bobby Bones]

That's all good.

[Eddie]

Keenan Allen to the Chiefs. Oh, gosh, he just gets hurt. Debo to the Steelers.

[Dallas Goddard]

Oh, man.

[Eddie]

Chris Godwin to the Jaguars. Devonte Adams to the Lions. If I'm devonte Adams, I'd like that.

[Mike]

I like that.

[Bobby Bones]

That'd be awesome.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

You want to do quarterbacks real quick. This is not AI, this is us. Where will they end up? Where will they end up? Let's do a few of them. Matthew stafford, he wants 50 million bucks. Rams are like, I don't think we're going to give it to you. Matthew Stafford, I'm going to say Stafford ends up. So I think it's Giants or Raiders. I think Giants are probably the leader right now with the Raiders being number two out of. The Rams are not going to pay.

[Bobby Bones]

50 million bucks and who needs a quarterback?

[Eddie]

So Giants, Giants and the Raiders.

[Bobby Bones]

Who else?

[Eddie]

I think the other teams aren't going to pay him 50 million bucks though. So I think those are the two options. Two options that'll pay him. Trade a decent draft pick. Because it's not we're just going to take him and pay him. It's you got to pay him if you get him because he wants longer than a one year deal.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

So it's what pick can you give up? I think the Raiders have six and the Giants have maybe two or three. Yeah. So you're going to probably trade. That's what the hope is, that first round pick. I can't see anybody trading that pick. Maybe a second and third rounder. But I think Stafford's probably a Giant.

[Mike]

Yeah, I would go to the Giants. That's what I was going to say.

[Eddie]

Outside shot a Raider. Kirk Cousins, Tennessee. I'm going to say Cleveland. Stefanski was his play caller in Minnesota. And Kirk Cousins can do what we just saw happen from Denver to Pittsburgh with Russ Wilson where Russ was guaranteed all the money. So he took the minimum to go to Pittsburgh. So it didn't hit their cap at all. And because the Browns owe massage man 90 million bucks or whatever.

[Bobby Bones]

Desean.

[Eddie]

Yeah. They can take Cousins. Minimally, he still gets his money. If he's not staying as a backup, they're now saying the Falcons are still saying he's going to be the backup.

[Mike]

Yeah. There's no way.

[Eddie]

If he stays, they can pay him 90 million in one year or 50 for two or they can figure out how to trade him. And if they figure out to trade him to Cleveland, that also maybe gets Miles Garrett to stay, because Miles Garrett's like, I'm out of here. We're not even trying. And he can go for a few hundred thousand bucks and still make all the same money because of what he's owed and Atlanta. And he has a relationship with Stefanski, So that's my pick. It's pretty good pick, though.

[Mike]

I was going to say you're pretty in depth. I mean, I just had the Titans.

[Bobby Bones]

Random guess.

[Eddie]

Aaron Rodgers.

[Mike]

That's home. Like, he's going home.

[Eddie]

I'm going to pick the Rams if Stafford leaves, and if Stafford goes somewhere and they get some decent picks, I think they probably draft their next quarterback. And Aaron Rodgers is there for a year, maybe two, and that's a system he'd probably do really well in because everybody does. So I'm going to say the Rams. If Stafford isn't there, I don't know what the Titans are going to do. I hope the Titans don't bring Rogers here. Let's. So if Stafford doesn't leave, then where does Rogers go? Probably the Titans, but that's annoying for us.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah.

[Mike]

And why would he want to come here?

[Eddie]

Yeah, just. Just to play.

[Bobby Bones]

He's got a house.

[Eddie]

He's got a house here, but he's not going to. Yeah, just.

[Bobby Bones]

He's like, guys, don't worry. I got a house. We're good.

[Eddie]

Mow the yard, dude. Stay there.

[Mike]

Yes.

[Eddie]

Stay there. You're not gonna do anything else. Stay there. We're all good. Other quarterbacks that could be moving around. We think of any other ones. Oh, Sam Darnold.

[Mike]

Oh, yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Are the Seahawks gonna keep Gino?

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Mike]

What about the Steelers?

[Eddie]

So Rogers to the Steelers is also a thing, though.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

But I have not heard Darnold to the Steelers at all. So Darnold could really end up back in Minnesota. Probably not, though, because I don't think they're gonna pay him. Especially because we Talked to Kevin O'Connell, the other. Not ours, but the head coach, and just hearing him talk was like, hey, we're going to let him see what his value is. To me, that's. We're going to probably lose him.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

I mean, I think the Raiders for Darnold, we're still.

[Mike]

Right. Yeah, the Raiders would be good if.

[Eddie]

Stafford doesn't go there. I think you have a couple of pieces, though. They're affecting other pieces, but I think the Raiders is good. Okay. Interview coming up in a second. It is T Mobile's critical mission to provide unparalleled 5G coverage for when connectivity is mission critical. Introducing T Priority with the world's first network slice for public safety, T Priority delivers America's best 5G network experience for first responders even in times of congestion. For uninterrupted communication between more emergency response teams. T Priority has more capacity and and faster speeds for real time actionable intelligence built with coverage that goes even farther for reliable connectivity in rural areas. From HD drone footage to real time body camera feeds. T Priority is ready for data intensive emergency technology. T Priority from T Mobile built for tomorrow's emergencies ready today. Discover [e-mail] for qualifying organizations on eligible rate plans. Coverage not available in some areas and may be impacted by emergencies.

[Steph Curry]

Make some noise for the Greatest Shooter of All time Steph Curry.

[Dallas Goddard]

We went.

[Steph Curry]

Live from All Star Weekend for a new podcast called goat greatest of their era and we ranked our top five shooters from the 2000s.

[Peja Stojaković]

Peja 5 Dirk Ford.

[Eddie]

Peja is elite.

[Steph Curry]

Okay, okay, I'm mad him.

[Eddie]

I left him off my list, but I still like my list.

[Steph Curry]

You won't believe who Steph left off his list.

[Peja Stojaković]

That's so tough. That's why we have these conversations.

[Steph Curry]

Yes.

[Peja Stojaković]

I love it.

[Steph Curry]

Steph talked about what separates the truly elite NBA shooters.

[Peja Stojaković]

When you have a scouting report and you're on the list as not just a shooter, but we have specific rules for how we guard you. There's a fear factor that's associated with anytime you're wide open, like you might as well just count that and get on back on defense.

[Steph Curry]

Listen to Goat G O T E Greatest of Their era on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Eddie]

Let's get into our conversation with Grant McCasland, head basketball coach at Texas Tech. You know, I oddly like all Texas Tech teams. There's no reason for me to dislike them. But I think I like Texas Tech because I'm an Arkansas fan. Now that doesn't mean all Arkansas fans like Texas Tech specifically, but Texas Tech is like the school that's kind of got a grind in that state. Meaning you got ut, you got Texas A and M Meh, you got a lot of big Texas schools. And I feel like Texas Tech is like not so much in the shadow but like they're always like, I gotta punch extra hard for people to pay attention. And that's what I feel like we have to do at Arkansas. So like, I generally have a positive feeling towards Texas Tech athletics For that reason. Love football coach. Love this basketball coach. I mean, Grant McCaslin, he has been a winner before taking over in Lubbock. He led North Texas to an NIT championship in 2023 and their first ever NCAA tournament win. Massive deal. North Texas. Through 10 seasons as an NCAA head coach, McCaslin's now 234 and 100, and he's 178 and 88 at the Division 1 level. I mean, just some fun facts. The 2020 Conference USA Coach of the Year, three straight Conference USA championships, over.700 career winning percentage. I could go on and on. This year, Texas Tech, kind of rocking, 21 7. Right now they're third in the Big 12. They're playing Kansas on Saturday. Then they finish with Colorado and at Arizona State. Linardi has them at a two, like a bottom two or early three right now in the bracket. But I love this dude. I liked him until we talked with him, and then I'm like, I'm in. I'm in. Here he is, my new friend, Coach Grant McCasland. Hey, Coach. That's a pretty sick hoodie you have on, by the way. That's a good one.

[Dallas Goddard]

You want one? Yeah, I'll send you one.

[Bobby Bones]

Oh, he's shameless, Coach.

[Dallas Goddard]

No, no, that Malbourne. What do you got, a little vest? You got a little.

[Eddie]

Got a little Malborn cardigan. You play golf, too? What's going on, coach?

[Dallas Goddard]

Man, I'll hit a. I'll hit a ball in the woods.

[Eddie]

Yeah. So, okay, that's funny. What do you get to do during basketball season? I'm sure it's all basketball all the time. Do you have time to read books? Like, what in the world can you do during basketball season, man?

[Dallas Goddard]

Good question. I do a lot of things with my family. I got. I got four kids, so I got two boys that play hoops, a daughter that rock climbs. And we. We have a simulator at the house. We built a basketball barn. It's got two pickleball courts, a climbing wall, and a little golf sim area. So we turned it loose at night every once in a while in between some film sessions. Are you a little family? Got a little. My wife played soccer here at Tech, so we'll play a little pickleball.

[Eddie]

That's what I was going to ask. If you're a pickleball, you're a pickleball player. We have a court. We just built a court here at the house. And this guy from Ohio, I posted a video coach on Twitter. It was just me hitting the Ball. I got meta glasses. So, like, I was just literally recording game tape, like, right. I like to watch. See how I'm improving. And so some guy like trolled me on Twitter and was like, you suck. And I was like, I'll play you for a thousand bucks. Never didn't even know who he was. And he was like, I'm in. So now I got to fly to Ohio and play some dude I never met. He was a four year D1 athlete for $1,000 in pickleball.

[Dallas Goddard]

So.

[Eddie]

But I got like a weird competitive, like, insecurity, like, growing up. How competitive were you? Where did that come from?

[Dallas Goddard]

Oh, I'm a mess as a competitor. You know, like, you do these personality tests and I don't even know which one it was, but you have to rank like your four. It comes back after you get done answering all these questions. It gives you like, your foreign main characteristics. And my number one was competitive and number two was like, belief. And I'm telling you, it's awesome in everything but marriage.

[Eddie]

Oh, you are so right. And I've only been married, like losing marriage. Yes, like three years. I'm pretty new to being married. But you're speaking the gospel. Like, it's like the young gospel to me right now, where I'm just learning that that's true, that it's not always about winning. At times you can lose, but still strategically win, which is probably not the best thing, but. You're talking my language now.

[Dallas Goddard]

No, the, the. The true is the only way to really win in marriage is to lose. That's it. There is like, that is the end. No, don't even try to even say you can win some and still win. No, it's zero.

[Bobby Bones]

It's you lose, then you win.

[Eddie]

I'm curious basketball wise, coach, because you're a defensive genius. I feel just looking at, as you've risen through the ranks, looking at how good your defensive squads are, is. Is there the option to be great at both? Like, because again, you're a defensive guy, your team is built. And I could be wrong, but I feel like you are. Let's play defense hard and then the offense will happen. But is it possible to specialize in both at the same time?

[Dallas Goddard]

Yeah, definitely. You know, the truth is, as a young coach, when I was 26 years old and got the opportunity to be a junior college head coach, we were in a conference with Mark Adams, who was the previous head coach at Texas Tech, who's a dear friend of mine. And in the rankings of all the past 25 years of defenses. That Texas Tech team in 2019 here is. Is statistically the best defensive team ever in the last 25 years of college basketball. So. But he was actually the head coach at Howard College when I was 26 and the head coach at Midland College. So I coached against him one game. We had 14 points at the half playing against his defense. So honestly, my mind thinks offense, but I've. I learned from him that you better be great defensively if you want to win. So we won a junior college national championship the first time. We scored over 90 points and averaged over 80 points. So honestly, my mind thinks offense, but I'm such a competitor and I want to win that I've focused on the defensive part of it because I think that's something that's more controllable in the environment of. Of winning a game.

[Bobby Bones]

Coach, how. How upset do you get when your players miss free throws? Because I know as a viewer, I hate it.

[Dallas Goddard]

Yeah, well, I don't get upset at all, actually. I don't care.

[Eddie]

Yeah, right. Where.

[Dallas Goddard]

That's where fans are different than coaches, because you don't really. That's an effort thing that you want to have a guy miss, try to squeeze that basketball really tight and worried about what you think, too. I mean, it just. I think there's a. I think there's a balance to it. But it is funny because last year at Texas Tech, we had the best free throw percentage in the history of the school. Okay. And I didn't talk to our guys about free throws one time. You know what I did? I recruited really good shooters so they could make them when it mattered. And honestly, I. There is a repetition, and I do think there's some skill obviously involved in it. But when you get to college, man, if you mess with somebody shot, that's a personal thing for them, and it's a difficult thing to change. And, you know, it is funny because I do think it's more about confidence and repetition and feeling like you can step up there. But, man, do people get mad at free throws. I mean, they're free. Why don't you make them? You know, I'm like, well, because there's 15,000 people in here yelling, and everybody's watching them. It's not the same now.

[Eddie]

I was watching Arkansas, Texas last night. I hate Texas with all my heart. Like, I. I wish Texas would fall in a hole, Coach, and I'm an Arkansas guy. But we were missing. We were missing free throws late.

[Dallas Goddard]

We all.

[Eddie]

We always miss free throws, but I never thought that you should just recruit good free throw shooters more so than spend 20 minutes into practice shooting free throws.

[Dallas Goddard]

Well, you, you know this, like, there are some repetition things that I, I do think make it more repeatable, which are when you get under pressure, make it simpler for the a person to control the variables. I mean, the less movement, the better in regards to efficiency. But I do think it's way more like mental than it is physical in a lot of ways. And the repetition of guys that have always seen them go in all their lives, there is something to that, that gives them a different level of confidence when they step up to the free throw line. And now I've coached guys where it's gone the other way too, where they went from being like 70 to like really bad. And what they did is they tried to go in and obsess over some detail to fix in their free throw shot and lost the connection to the confidence and flow of like being in the moment and being confident. It's, it's a, it's a wild battle. And when it goes downhill, I mean, it's like a lot of things in golf or other things that are repetitive in nature and it can, it can get worse. But that's where I don't even. We put guys in routines and we allow them the space to make improvements specifically. But man, I don't mess with that.

[Eddie]

How much do you put into like Lenardi putting you guys in certain places right now? Two seat. I think I just saw.

[Dallas Goddard]

Oh, nothing. I mean, I don't mean that in disrespect to the people that make those decisions, but you and I both know, I mean, we've got three conference games and then plus the conference tournament and man, so many things change and the uncontrollable. I, I'm out of that game. I. When I was a junior college coach at 27, our, our second season, we had a path to maybe win the tournament. So I went through and like, said, like, if we win this game, then we can be a two seed in the tournament if we win these three games and what happens if we win these four? And I spent all this time doing all this math and, and then you get to the end of the season, like, I realized every second that I spent trying to figure out where they had us was two or three seconds that I could have invested in a relationship with someone that actually would have made an impact on winning. And so, man, I, I just flipped this whole thing in my brain of like, anytime there's a where do someone or what Do I think could happen? I just like, well, let's invest in what actually does happen, which is people and relationships and their impact on what we're doing as a team. And. And it's changed my perspective and of all of the thought process in regard to where they put people in the NCAA tournament and projections with this part of the year.

[Eddie]

Where's the balance in keeping players healthy and fresh and also keeping them in rhythm?

[Dallas Goddard]

Yeah, you know, I. In my experience, what we do right now is we push the throttle down at the beginning of practice, and we'll start with a super competitive segment of, like, pressing, because you get to the end of games, and that's what really matters. And we try to, like, rev it all the way up and get. Get a transition drill going, and then make it real competitive at the beginning of practice, and then we taper it off, and then at the end is, like, mentally, how do you execute? But nothing competitive, because what we found is guys get hurt, you know, kind of more when they get fatigued at the end of practice than they do at the beginning. So I still think you got to practice. And I've. You asked me one thing that I talked to all my buddies coaching, like, Scott Drew and, you know, Tommy Lloyd at Arizona and Ben McCollum at Drake and Ross Hodge at North Texas. And Scott, you know, just. We all talk about, like, how do you make it competitive, but you don't want to get anybody hurt. But I do think there's a way to rev it all the way up where you still get that competitiveness and you can still put the throttle all the way down and get. Get what you need, but not. Not put anybody in harm's way?

[Eddie]

Are there any heat check rules where if somebody's on coach and they're two, three, four in a row, where it's, like, understood. Take another one. Like, are there any heat check rules at all?

[Dallas Goddard]

Oh, I mean, if you say rules, there's, like, heat check. For me, I just love it when guys feel like Chance McMillan made one the other day at home where he shot it and turned around and went the other way. And honestly, like, would I prefer him to not do that on all shots? Yes. But when you are playing with a different level of confidence, that means we're. We're playing at our best. And so, man, I am. We. We love shooting threes. We shot 30 the other day and didn't make many of them. But I do think that there's a confidence level that your players have to play with on that side. Where once you get rolling, let's. Let's let it rip.

[Bobby Bones]

Coach, what's your relationship with referees like? Sometimes it's very, you know, will you explain that call to me? And then sometimes it's like, what are you thinking? Do you know all these guys? Right? So what's your relationship with them?

[Dallas Goddard]

Man, I'll tell you what. I pray often, but I pray mostly about my relationships with refs and my wife. I mean, I don't know how to explain it, but it's this wild part of the game that, you know, that the outcome isn't supposed to matter to them, but they impact the outcome so significantly by the flow and feel of it. And I'm confrontational in nature, so I don't mind the confrontation of communicating with them, but I don't think it's helpful. I. I got to be honest, I. I end up erring on the side. You get to the end that I wish I would have said less. And so in my areas of improvement, that usually ends up being one of the more significant ones is how do you communicate in a way that's respectful but doesn't imply that they're not doing a great job honestly. And so I. I found more of that to be helpful, but I can't always do that in the. In the moment.

[Eddie]

What if, like, your counterpart is going to town on a ref? Do you feel like you got to step it up and meet him with that energy, though, so he doesn't, like, rule the refs?

[Dallas Goddard]

You know, there's two parts that. Cause, you know, you can look at those refs and go, like, if this guy says one more thing, he. It's going to get significantly worse for him. And you know, the difference between that and then when you look at the guy and he seems frazzled by what's being said by the other coach? And then, you know, like, well, you better. You better get a little part of this so that he doesn't just get in a place where it. He's making calls that don't necessarily help. So I. I do think there's some nuance maybe to that, but for the most part, the interactions in regards to that, you know, the difference between somebody that complains a lot in our league and these referees talk, and they do know going into each game, like, there's something different about someone that shows constant respect and asks questions and does want to understand that refs make mistakes, too. And I do think that there's a part of that, that there's a sincerity there, that most of the Guys that I work with, they're. They're. They're awesome. And I do think that it's a difficult job. And, And Mo, when I look back on film, some of the calls that I complain about now we have film on the bench. We used to not have this.

[Eddie]

Literally.

[Dallas Goddard]

We have access to every call, every second. When we watch it, we can. We can pull it up in timeout and cue everything, and I can watch it. And I watch most plays at half time of the game, so I have a better perspective. But I used to look back on it and go, man, I thought for sure that was a foul and it wasn't one. So. So I think given the benefit of the doubt over the course of the game and trying to be somebody that's, man, just in a real way trying to understand what the game is really being called like, and trying to do your best to adapt is the best way to do it.

[Eddie]

Is there peaking too early? And where do you guys feel like you are in the peaking scale?

[Dallas Goddard]

Yes, there is in regards to, I think, a fatigue of your team when you kind of know all your weaknesses and those have been magnified. And I think that's when your team takes that dive. And I think as a coach, our hope is to find this real gratitude and belief in each other where you can concentrate. I'll give you an example. Like, you can watch film with a team and you can show them all 15 turnovers of what happened, and you can magnify those things. And I think at the end of the season, how you really peak is you start showing only the plays that you know that one that can be catastrophic in nature and that your team is repeating, you show those. But really, you try to show all the things that you want your team to do. And those guys that honestly get encouraged that way, it shows them more as highlighted and people want to do what you want them to do more than you telling them what not to do. And I think the season's long for everybody. So when you get to these end of the year, those people have been told, like, don't do that, don't do that. You're messing this up.

[Eddie]

You.

[Dallas Goddard]

You can see the. You can see the. The decline and it wears on everybody because it is a long season. You're around each other all the time, and there are all these pressure moments, and all you want to do is tell them what you don't like about them, because that's the easiest thing to identify. But to me, the way you get your team to peak at the End is you really get them to believe what you're best at as a team, and then they take away, man, this is what I can do. Even if it's a role and people don't like saying that word, but if it's a role that they can be great at, then they know this is where they're at their best to make the team the best. And I will tell you that our team starting to really believe what we can do the best. Really, the key is just how healthy can you be? And that's probably the greatest determining factor of whether you go into these tournaments, you know, peaking is whether you're healthy. So that's one aspect, but I think the other aspect is, like, the real belief in each other and what you do well. And everybody basically, like, pouring into what those things that make your team great.

[Bobby Bones]

Coach, I was watching your game against Houston, and I noticed that Patrick Mahomes and his wife were there.

[Dallas Goddard]

What?

[Bobby Bones]

Is that cool for your team to see Patrick and his wife, like, sitting right next to you guys and even. Even coaching a little bit, too? Him yelling and standing up and getting into the game?

[Dallas Goddard]

Oh, it was. It was. It was. It was epic. It was awesome. And I got a phone call from Dusty Womble, who's. Who's a Regent. And I'm telling you, he's like, one of the greatest guys I know. Not just people that support Red Raider basketball and football, but he's. His name's on our practice facility. Just one of the greatest husbands and dads that I know. He's awesome. So he calls me, and he's got the seats, those Hollywood seats, and he's got the seats across from the bench, too. Four on the floor. And he's like, where do you think we should sit, Mahomes? And I was like, wherever he wants to sit. If you want to sit by the bench, that's great. So he comes and sits by the bench, and honestly, I don't interact with him a ton, but he's an unbelievable supporter of our university in our athletic department, and we got all these players that he's supporting. It's really unbelievable. Well, I meet him, like, face to face in the locker room before we go out, and he was really complimentary. Then we go sit on the floor, and I introduced myself to Brittany for the first time, and. And I'm like, you guys, let it. Let it rip over here. Have a good time. She said, so you mean I can say anything to the refs? And Patrick's like, don't tell her that. Because you may get it. I was like, as long as you sit in these chairs, you can. But if you move over and get in my four chairs, then you probably shouldn't say anything to him. But now they were. Honestly, their energy and their belief in what we're doing is just a separator for us, and it was a blast. They were. They were awesome at.

[Eddie]

Two final questions for you, coach. Tournament expansion. Your thoughts.

[Dallas Goddard]

Honestly, that's kind of goes in the category of what we talked about earlier, of, like, you know, what seed are we? I just don't have any control over it. And I like the tournament the way it is. I mean, you know, 64 to 68. I know there's a lot of reasons for it to be different. I'm not smart enough to figure it out. I'm barely smart enough to call timeout at the right time and not run into Patrick Mahomes in a timeout. You know, I mean, it's. It's something probably out of my pay grade.

[Eddie]

Okay, I'm not gonna count that as a question then, since you didn't have really an answer and you acted like you're dumb when you're obviously brilliant, but. Okay, I hear you. I hear you, Coach. Okay, here's. Let me switch it up then. Is there a movie or, like a scene from a movie that you show your players every year?

[Dallas Goddard]

Ooh, yes, there is. There is. Shawshank Redemption.

[Eddie]

Which part? Climbing to the poop?

[Dallas Goddard]

Yes.

[Peja Stojaković]

Really?

[Dallas Goddard]

Yes. That's the season. That's the season. So it's like you find a way to break through and you finally get an opportunity, and then you got to go sludge through all this. And I. And I actually reference it during games quite often because let's just say you've missed eight shots in a row and, you know, you feel this, like, desperation, like, you never know where the end of the tunnel really is, and you don't really know exactly what you're going to have to go through till you get through it. And so it's just this mental imagery of. Of the freedom that you have that you don't know when it's going to break through for you, but it's working worth it when you finally get there. And. And yeah, it's. That's the.

[Eddie]

That's the one final question for you. It's a family question. High profile job. Your wife went to school there. I have other friends that are head coaches. Football, basketball, different universities. And there's a dynamic when things are going great, you're the hero when things eventually don't go great for a short amount of time or a long amount of time, you're not the hero, but you're very public, and. And your family has to take the good and the bad. Is that a conversation you've had with your family at all, going, hey, it's not always going to be awesome, but it's not real. When it's not.

[Dallas Goddard]

Oh, no question. I mean, this is. Honestly, man, my. My faith, my relationship with the Lord is. Is the. Is the only thing that really is important. And I think in that my relationship with my wife is. What's that? Is that. That's everything. I mean, Cece's. She's an. She was an unbelievable competitor. She's beautiful. She's freaking. So cool. She's a blast. But when we were losing at North Texas one year, we lost seven of our last eight games, she, like, wouldn't talk to me after games. She's so mad at me, but not mad at me, but just mad at, like, why is this happening and why can't we fix it? But as a competitor, when you're the wife, you can't really go coach a game. And, like. And then I've got two sons that play. I've got four kids, my daughter, they all play poor point guard, they all play basketball, they rock climb. They're, like, super competitive, and they just love this. But I think the. The thing that you and I both know is, like, if there's anything I want them to know is that I love them no matter what. Like, there's a real grace to this, and there's a real humility in knowing that when everybody is. Is shaming you, that. Or whatever the case may be, making fun of you, or there's. There's some difficulty in that. Like, that there's a love there that is consistent no matter what you perform. And honestly, like, I hope my wife and I's marriage and the way that we interact with each other teaches them that, like. Like, how do we love each other in a way that isn't connected to how good you are at something? And I do think that that's the foundation of being great. And so when you say that, I just think it's how you live your life every day, where you love your kids and you help them in ways that aren't tied to their performance. And I think that's the key to all this, and I think that's the key to our team, and I think that's the key to life and that. How do you Love people. So after we play these awesome games and we play really good, I tell our guys to pull out their phones and scroll and see 500 text messages. And then when we lose a game that we're not supposed to lose, go pull out your text message. And there's two text messages most of the time. And one of them is from their mom. You know, it's like, these are the people that honestly, unfortunately in this deal are going to be connected to you no matter what. And those are the people that you need to call and thank first when we win and do great things. And that's kind of how we try to mirror this all as how being a part of a team relates to your family, which relates to your question in regard to how you handle all this.

[Eddie]

I mean, I climbed a poopy tunnel for you, coach. You got me. I'm ready to climb the tunnel of poop. Whatever you need me to do. Yes, sir. I'm rooting for you guys. I don't say. I rarely say any other team stuff, but, you know, wreck them. Big 12, let's go. That's what I say. Wreck them.

[Dallas Goddard]

Yeah. I love it.

[Eddie]

Yeah. Beats crap out of Kansas. Win the tournament. Let's get a good seat. Hope you're near me. I'll come watch. But not far. I'm not gonna travel far, but if you're near me regionally, I'll come watch. Coach, thank you so much. Good luck the rest of the season and we really appreciate the time.

[Dallas Goddard]

This is awesome. I Hope you win $1,000 in the picture.

[Eddie]

Yeah, me too.

[Dallas Goddard]

Yes, sir.

[Eddie]

Thank you, coach.

[Dallas Goddard]

See y'all.

[Eddie]

Thank you guys for list listening. We're back next week. It looks like at some point next week, I think we're gonna get Damon Stoudemire on who's the head coach at Georgia Tech. But also, like crazy good NBA career. So that'll be fun. Also, more analysis from Eddie betting college basketball.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, a lot of good stuff.

[Eddie]

When he's like, listen to this story, man. And then they only lost by four.

[Bobby Bones]

And I won, man. I'm close to hitting one of those 12 game parlays.

[Eddie]

What's close? Eight?

[Bobby Bones]

No, I've gotten like 11 before. Yes, I've gotten really close. But. But what's crazy, that's when you look at it later, it's usually the first game. I lose the first game, like, oh, that's stupid. But then you look back and I hit every game after that. That sucks.

[Eddie]

And because you never pay attention to go back and look once you've already lost. You don't even know.

[Bobby Bones]

It's usually like a Sunday night when I'm not doing anything. I'm like, let's see how my week went. Gambling. I almost hit that. Crazy.

[Eddie]

That's funny. So there's another thing too. If you want to really feel dumb, you can go over to our episode of Lots to say. It's Matt Castle on myself and it's on me because I had Matt try to teach us quarterback terminology and he thought he was really dumbing it down for us. And I'm telling you, about halfway through, I looked at Kevin and Reed doesn't know much about sports, so it's fine. But I looked at Kevin, Kevin looked at me and we're like, dude, you got. We gotta walk back about three steps. And he's like, oh, really? He's like, but Z Flair.

[Bobby Bones]

Oh, God.

[Eddie]

And he thought he was breaking it. Because I wanted to know, like, teach us from the beginning so we can have this one thing to know. If we're like talking with friends and we're like, yeah, but the zero slot. Z flare.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

And he was like, ah, maybe this is why I don't coach, because I don't know how to. Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Simplify it.

[Eddie]

Yes. And he'd be like, what you want to do is you want to make sure your boss gets to. And. And the weak side.

[Bobby Bones]

Boss was one of the terms.

[Dallas Goddard]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

Because the boss was basically the fullback. It was the back on the strong safety. Holy crap.

[Mike]

There you go.

[Eddie]

So if they're running boss, it's the back to get to the strong safety, but it's inside of like 72 other words.

[Bobby Bones]

Wow.

[Eddie]

I do feel good, though, about what we learned about personnel. When they say 13 personnel.

[Mike]

Yeah. Because they talk about that a lot on the broadcast too.

[Eddie]

And so you can listen to that. But 13 personnel is one runner back. Three tight ends or. But he goes into all that. But there was one point where we gave up. We're like, dude, we can't do this anymore.

[Bobby Bones]

Do this with your quarterback friends.

[Eddie]

Yes. Well, it was my fault because I suggested. I was like, make us smarter. But go listen to that. Lots to say. Thank you for listening to 25 whistles and we will see you guys next week. Bye, buddy.

[Bobby Bones]

I'm loving it.

[Steph Curry]

Thank you.

[Eddie]

Thank you. Theme song written by Bobby Bones, that's me. And performed by Brandon Ray. Follow Brandon on social at brandonraymusic. You can follow the show on Instagram @BobbyBonesports. Thanks to our crew, co host, producereddy. Segment producer, ickoffkevin video producer @ Reed Yarberry and executive producer at Mike Diestro. But most importantly, thank you for listening. I'm Bobby Bones. We'll talk to you next time here on 25 Whistles.

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[Peja Stojaković]

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[Eddie]

Paja is a.

[Steph Curry]

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[Peja Stojaković]

That's so tough. That's why we have these conversations.

[Steph Curry]

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[Peja Stojaković]

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