25W: Bobby's Mt. Rushmore of Wrestlers in Honor of Hulk Hogan's Death + Senior NFL Reporter Albert Breer on the Reality of Micah Parsons Being Traded + Eddie & Kickoff Kevin Get Influencer Advice from Bobby

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Bobby Bones Show – Episode 25W Release Date: July 24, 2025 Host: Bobby Bones Episode Title: Bobby's Mt. Rushmore of Wrestlers in Honor of Hulk Hogan's Death + Senior NFL Reporter Albert Breer on the Reality of Micah Parsons Being Traded + Eddie & Kickoff Kevin Get Influencer Advice from Bobby

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1. Honoring Hulk Hogan: Bobby’s Mount Rushmore of Wrestlers

The episode opens with Bobby Bones and his co-hosts engaging in a heartfelt tribute to the late Hulk Hogan, who passed away at the age of 71 due to cardiac arrest (07:25). Bobby shares his own "Mount Rushmore" of favorite wrestlers, highlighting iconic figures who have left a lasting impact on the wrestling world.

Notable Quotes:

• Bobby Bones (07:39): "Hulk Hogan in my lifetime is the biggest wrestler ever."
• Mike (08:13): "We had been sitting with that a little bit because we did it on the podcast. Number one on my Mount Rushmore is Sting."

Bobby lists Sting, Stone Cold Steve Austin, the Ultimate Warrior, and Rap Master PN News as his top four, emphasizing their unique contributions and memorable personas in the wrestling industry. The discussion delves into personal anecdotes and the emotional impact Hogan's legacy has had on fans and fellow wrestlers alike.

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2. Conversation with Albert Breer: NFL Insights and Micah Parsons’ Trade

Guest: Albert Breer, Senior NFL Reporter at Sports Illustrated
Timestamp: 25:46 – 49:11

Bobby welcomes Albert Breer to discuss pressing NFL topics, including the potential trade of Micah Parsons and the broader implications of the ongoing NFLPA scandal.

a. Micah Parsons’ Trade Reality

Albert provides an in-depth analysis of Micah Parsons' situation, addressing the complexities surrounding his trade status and the Cincinnati Bengals' negotiations.

Notable Quotes:

• Albert Breer (28:51): "The expectation is that he's gonna level up... the Packers have been pretty aggressive in building around Jordan Love."
• Albert Breer (35:07): "I can't say, Bobby, that I fully understand why they keep going down this road."

Albert explains the Bengals' long-standing reputation for being frugal and how this affects their ability to secure top-tier talent like Parsons. He discusses the challenges of negotiating trades within the constraints of the current cap environment and the potential fallout from the union's recent actions.

b. Contracts and the Bengals’ Strategy

The conversation shifts to the Bengals' difficulties in signing key players and their broader contract strategies, highlighting issues with contract guarantees and the impact on team dynamics.

Notable Quotes:

• Albert Breer (33:26): "The reputation they've had a long time... it's going to follow them."
• Albert Breer (44:25): "The union should have been shouting about from the mountaintops and instead they were helping cover it up."

Albert critiques the Bengals' contractual decisions and the union's role in recent scandals, suggesting that these factors contribute to organizational instability and player dissatisfaction.

c. JJ McCarthy’s Development

Albert also touches on quarterback JJ McCarthy's progress, discussing how losing a year of playing time has affected his development and the team’s expectations moving forward.

Notable Quotes:

• Albert Breer (37:16): "He lost all of that work. So he definitely had some catching up to do from that perspective."
• Albert Breer (37:49): "The hope is that, you know, he just gradually grows."

Albert emphasizes the importance of McCarthy's integration into the team's offensive strategy and the support he receives from coaching staff to overcome past setbacks.

d. NFLPA Scandal and Future Implications

Albert shifts focus to the NFLPA scandal, detailing the union's mishandling of negotiations and the potential long-term consequences for player relations and organizational trust.

Notable Quotes:

• Albert Breer (44:25): "They were putting the well-being of 2,000 players overboard for either the financial well-being of the union or the reputation of one person."
• Albert Breer (46:30): "This very well could end with them bringing in an interim director and then asking those questions."

Albert discusses the possibility of significant restructuring within the NFLPA to restore player trust and ensure better representation in future negotiations.

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3. Influencer Advice Segment: Eddie & Kickoff Kevin Seek Bobby’s Guidance

In a lighter segment, Eddie and Kickoff Kevin seek advice from Bobby Bones on becoming successful influencers. The trio discusses the challenges and strategies involved in building a social media presence, particularly focusing on content consistency and audience engagement.

Notable Quotes:

• Mike (55:17): "If you want to have this be your thing, what these social media platforms do is feed your specific type content to a specific type person."
• Morgan (57:42): "Best case is to gain a following, especially on TikTok."

They explore practical tips such as maintaining a consistent content theme to leverage platform algorithms effectively. Bobby emphasizes the importance of understanding audience preferences and adapting content to meet those expectations without diluting the influencer’s unique voice.

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4. Additional Discussions and Anecdotes

The episode includes various light-hearted exchanges and personal stories related to golfing, car accidents, and the dynamics of friendships within the show. These moments provide listeners with a relatable and entertaining glimpse into the hosts' personalities and camaraderie.

Notable Quotes:

• Mike (21:41): "It's called championship compartmentalizing."
• Brandon (22:20): "Head games, dude. Head games with this guy."

These anecdotes serve to balance the more serious discussions, offering a well-rounded listening experience that combines entertainment with insightful commentary.

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5. Closing Remarks and Promotions

The episode concludes with Bobby Bones thanking the guest and co-hosts, alongside standard promotional segments for affiliated shows and sponsors. While these sections are typically skipped in a summary, they provide context on the show's network and additional content offerings for interested listeners.

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Overall Insights:

• Legacy and Impact: The tribute to Hulk Hogan underscores the enduring legacy of wrestling icons and their influence on fans and the industry.
• NFL Dynamics: Albert Breer's analysis highlights the intricate balance between player contracts, team strategies, and union relations, emphasizing the need for transparency and fair negotiations.
• Social Media Strategy: The influencer advice segment sheds light on effective content creation and audience targeting in the digital age, stressing the importance of consistency and authenticity.
• Host Dynamics: Personal stories and interactions among the hosts illustrate the supportive and engaging environment of "The Bobby Bones Show," enhancing listener connection.

This episode offers a compelling mix of sports analysis, personal insights, and practical advice, making it a valuable listen for fans of wrestling, NFL enthusiasts, and aspiring influencers alike.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

• Bobby Bones (07:39): "Hulk Hogan in my lifetime is the biggest wrestler ever."
• Mike (08:13): "I hate to have to break that news to you."
• Albert Breer (35:07): "The union should have been shouting about from the mountaintops and instead they were helping cover it up."
• Mike (55:17): "If you want to have this be your thing, what these social media platforms do is feed your specific type content to a specific type person."
• Morgan (57:42): "Best case is to gain a following, especially on TikTok."

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Stay Connected: For more insights and updates, follow Bobby Bones and the team on their social media platforms and tune into "The Bobby Bones Show" on iHeartRadio.

Transcript

[Bobby Bones]

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[Eddie]

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[Bobby Bones]

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[Mike]

To hear this and more.

[Bobby Bones]

Listen to Good Mom's Bad Choices from Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcast. This is a podcast called 25 Whistles.

[Mike]

Talking football. And they all wear a whistle.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, it's stupid, but what did you expect?

[Mike]

It's a podcast called 25 Whistles, 25 Whist. I mean, football's kind of here, which is exciting because we've been like struggling. Blow it, Eddie. Thank you. Welcome Albert Brear. Coming up in a little bit, the funniest thing and I guess if I had a Company credit card. I just would not use it at the strip club. I would find a way to get money. And that's kind of what's happened as a part of this whole nflpa, the whole scandal with the owners. And really, it comes down to this that Deshaun Watson got all that guaranteed money. The owners were secretly colluding to make sure nobody gets that again. So we're gonna make sure it doesn't happen, but they can't really do that. And then the guy that's representing the union. This is a very rough version of this. The guy that's representing the union is like, okay, I can kind of throw you guys a bone, but you throw me a bone later. And so then they investigating him, and then turns out he's been using his credit card at the strip club. The company. And also that strip club should have had, like, a better charged 2 name. Instead of like Lucy's Diamonds Cabaret, it should just be like Money Center.

[Brandon]

Right, Right.

[Morgan]

Yeah.

[Mike]

So, yeah, we'll talk to Albert Beer about that. I've never had a company credit card. I still don't have one.

[Brandon]

You don't? That's surprising to me.

[Mike]

I don't want one now, but I don't have one because I never want to use one. I have people that have them. Actually. I have them that I give people for me. Like, Mike, do you have a credit card? I do have one. Yeah. Okay.

[Morgan]

Wow.

[Brandon]

It's crazy.

[Mike]

Morgan has one. Morgan number one.

[Morgan]

Scuba has one.

[Mike]

Scuba has company card, though. Like, I have people that have cards on my account. Business.

[Brandon]

So Mike has a Bobby Bones card?

[Mike]

Yes.

[Morgan]

Oh, I thought you're talking about, like, an I heart.

[Mike]

No, no, Mike has a me card. Right, Mike? Yeah, yeah. Has your name, and so does Morgan. Number one.

[Brandon]

Mike, how hard is that to have that in your wallet? I feel like I'd be.

[Morgan]

Not hard at all. I just have it in there whenever we buy something for the show or on the road or something, that's when I use it.

[Mike]

Never think about it and don't use it at the strip club. I'm gonna see where it's from.

[Brandon]

That's crazy.

[Mike]

Is it Brandon, do you have one yet?

[Brandon]

I don't know yet. So Brandon's gonna get one, too.

[Mike]

Possibly.

[Morgan]

Reed had one.

[Mike]

Reed, I think had one. I think Reed. Which, by the way, Reed hit me up last night. He was like, I miss playing golf.

[Brandon]

They don't have that in St. Louis.

[Mike]

Yeah. Let me read you his message. He said, I want to play golf so bad.

[Brandon]

How you read in his voice, I.

[Mike]

Said, How's St. Louis? He said, not terrible. Just hate downtown. Gonna be out here for a few weeks, though. Gonna be out of here. But he says, going to be out here for a few weeks. We're headed to New York for a few days. Yeah, Maddie's sister's wedding.

[Brandon]

The voice is great.

[Morgan]

It's like Reed is right here.

[Mike]

He hates St. Louis, but I think Reed possibly had a credit card. Let me ask him. That just means I trust you. If I'm giving you a card and you're gonna have to buy stuff.

[Brandon]

Yeah, right.

[Mike]

That we're gonna need for the operation. And I don't have to buy everything. What does he have to do right now?

[Brandon]

Nothing.

[Morgan]

Nothing.

[Reed]

What's up, my boy?

[Mike]

Hey. We're recording the podcast right now. We're talking about you. Question. Did I ever give you a credit card of mine? You did. Not a physical copy, but just pictures.

[Brandon]

Oh.

[Mike]

Oh, got it. So then what I did with him was even better. I gave him a copy of pictures of my card with numbers and. Yeah, the cvv.

[Morgan]

So technically he still has it.

[Mike]

Oh, he does, because he had to buy something the other day.

[Morgan]

Oh, okay.

[Mike]

Oh, yeah. I got a couple. I got a couple little gifts for myself.

[Brandon]

Reid, is it hard having those numbers in hand?

[Mike]

A little bit. You know, I mean, it's just. It's tempting, you know?

[Morgan]

Can you use it at the strip club?

[Mike]

I don't know about the strip club, but, I mean, it works perfectly at Sonic.

[Brandon]

That's great.

[Mike]

I told him that. You're not loving downtown St. Louis. It's not the greatest. I'll be honest. I'm ready to move a little bit outside of the city.

[Brandon]

It's just.

[Mike]

It's just scary, man. Just taking the dog out. I'm, like, looking over my shoulder, man, trying not to say anything.

[Bobby Bones]

Look at anybody.

[Mike]

When do you get to move outside the city? Like next week or next year? I wish.

[Reed]

So we're gonna start looking in January.

[Mike]

Our lease ends April, but if we find something in January and it's open, I'm just gonna be like, we're.

[Reed]

We're going.

[Mike]

Okay, let's.

[Brandon]

January.

[Mike]

Less than a year, so it's not too bad. You just survive. Survive for six more months. Like, literally.

[Morgan]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Yeah, that's all. That's all I'm doing. Yeah, I'm surviving. That's it. Making my way, man. Well, I hope you have a good day. Thanks, man. Y' all, too. Love you guys. See you, buddy.

[Morgan]

Next time. Can you talk to Reed as Reed.

[Mike]

Hey, man, is that an echo? It sure is. Hulk Hogan died. 71 years old. I made a list of my favorite wrestlers of all time in Hulk's honor, but then he didn't make it. I did my Mount Rushmore of wrestlers.

[Morgan]

Okay.

[Mike]

Because Hulk Hogan in my lifetime is the biggest wrestler ever.

[Morgan]

I did not know he died.

[Mike]

Yep.

[Reed]

Whoa.

[Mike]

Just died like this morning.

[Bobby Bones]

Whoa.

[Mike]

This goes up Thursday afternoon and it happened this morning. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I should tell you the story then. 71 years old, Hulk Hogan died. Cardiac arrest, they're saying as of right now. Ambulance cops, the whole thing. Took him out in a stretcher.

[Morgan]

I saw some posts like Jimmy Hart was saying, like yesterday that he's like, he's not doing too good. I was like, but it's Hulk Hogan. But yeah, he's not good.

[Mike]

Oh, I hate to have to break that news to you.

[Brandon]

Sorry, Brandon.

[Mike]

We had been sitting with that a little bit because we did it on the podcast. Number one on my Mount Rushmore is Sting. He's my favorite wrestler of all time. And blonde haired Sting. Face paint. But he was black haired Sting in the trench coat. Way longer.

[Morgan]

Yeah.

[Mike]

But my favorite was California Sting.

[Morgan]

See, I don't even know blonde hair Sting.

[Mike]

Stone Cold's at number two.

[Brandon]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

Nice.

[Mike]

Austin. Definitely number two. At number three. I have the Ultimate Warrior.

[Reed]

Absolutely.

[Mike]

Because I was a kid and I thought his muscles were freaking huge. And he wore those bands around his arms and I shook the ropes. I loved Ultimate Warrior. Rooted for him to beat Hulk Hogan many times. And then finally, Rap Master PN News.

[Brandon]

Oh, I'm going to have to google him.

[Morgan]

Yeah, I don't know.

[Brandon]

I don't know that one very brief.

[Morgan]

Career rat or rap.

[Mike]

Rap, Rap. But I thought he was the coolest because he rapped. It was terrible too. He'd be out there and be like, yo baby, yo, baby yo. He was my favorite. Let's see Rap Master PN News. There he is. I'm gonna play a little before. Here you go. Get ready. Brace yourself, boys and girls. He comes out and he's in like a unitard.

[Reed]

My life, if I had to do it I wouldn't think twice. They can diss me, I don't care what they say.

[Mike]

Cause that's not the game that PM News would play.

[Reed]

So if you're listening, take my advice.

[Mike]

Or ask my opponent.

[Reed]

It ain't worth the price.

[Mike]

Yo baby, yo baby, yo. Yo baby, yo baby, yo yo baby, yo baby yo baby yo baby yo. It's so corny.

[Brandon]

That's pretty cool.

[Mike]

Dude, but that was my favorite. I think he had like a three month career. But I loved Rap Master PM his outfit.

[Morgan]

I mean his, his whole image makes it even better.

[Mike]

Very cheesy.

[Brandon]

And the P in the end is Paul New. That was his name, Paul New.

[Mike]

Didn't know that.

[Brandon]

Oh.

[Mike]

Don't think he had much of a career other than Rap Master PN News. Matter of fact, I don't think Rap Master PN News had much of a career. I just thought it was so cool that a guy came down and rapped in the middle of the ring.

[Brandon]

Awesome.

[Morgan]

That is cool.

[Mike]

Yeah. Rest in peace, Hulk Hogan. 71 years old. A quarter of sports betters have missed bill payments over wagers.

[Brandon]

What do you, what do you mean? How do you do that?

[Mike]

You don't pay a bill, you gamble with it instead.

[Morgan]

Oh.

[Brandon]

Yeah. See, they tell you that there's like a little disclaimer there that says, do not do stuff like that. This is for entertainment only.

[Mike]

You ever done that? We're all looking at you.

[Brandon]

No, dude, no, no.

[Mike]

Like all of us were looking at you.

[Brandon]

I would never miss a bill because of gambling. Like, have I put in a few extra deposits? Yes, but nothing where I'm going to get in trouble.

[Mike]

Americans bet close to 150 billion on sports at least last year. According to the American Gaming Association U.S. news and World Report poll. Twelve hundred people who placed sports bets in the past six months and 30% have debts because of gambling. More than 2 in 10 admit they verbally abused an athlete either in person or online. You guys need to chill out. First of all, we. I love betting, but it's entertainment. It needs to be treated as such. It's tr. And it's awesome because it makes me be involved in games and situations I wouldn't even care about. Like, it brings entertainment to me. If I bet 25 bucks on it, on something and then I have nothing to do. But now I'm watching some cricket game in India. I now have provided myself with 25 bucks of entertainment.

[Brandon]

And if you're watching that cricket game in India, hey, you're not alone. I've been there, man. Yeah, I've been there. But it gets better.

[Mike]

You're treating them like they're kids who growing up being made fun of.

[Brandon]

No, it's just that you're not alone because, I mean, I'm sure people in that dark, dark place are thinking like, I'm the only idiot. No, you're not.

[Morgan]

Have you been there? Like in that dark place? I think you're an Idiot. Like, oh, my gosh.

[Brandon]

Betting on a random horse race.

[Mike]

Yeah, no, but like, not paying your bills.

[Brandon]

No, never been there. But yes. Have I found myself at like, you know, 11am trying to watch this syndicate, this symbol. Cast of a race in California. Yes, I've been there.

[Mike]

And by race, he means a dog race. Not even horse. Not even horse. Bill Belichick's getting a Hulu DOC series.

[Brandon]

There we go.

[Mike]

After Hard Knocks falls through and. And Jordan is. Jordan Hudson. His girlfriend is part of the.

[Brandon]

Oh. Executive producer.

[Morgan]

Who is this guy who.

[Mike]

It was reported back in May that it was Hudson who allegedly torpedoed a deal that would have had the NFL coaching legend on Hard Knocks as he embarked on his first season as head coach of North Carolina. News broke yesterday that Hulu has shown interest in telling the UNC Belichick story in a proposed docu series. It does appear Hudson has managed to involve herself in the new deal. A firm controlled by Hudson has registered trademarks for Chapel Bill. That's funny.

[Morgan]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Chapel Hill.

[Morgan]

Pretty good.

[Mike]

Do your job. Bills version. And no days off. Bills version. Belichick's first game as head coach at UNC is against TCU, Monday, September 1st. Pretty quick.

[Morgan]

Gotta go. Chapel Bill.

[Brandon]

Chapel Bills. Chapel Bill's A plus.

[Mike]

Chapel Bill's funny.

[Brandon]

Does everyone know? Yeah, I guess everyone knows that it's in Chapel Hill, right?

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

But well known if they.

[Mike]

If they don't, they wouldn't even get Chapel Hill.

[Brandon]

Right.

[Mike]

Like, to get Chapel Bill, you have to get Chapel Hill.

[Brandon]

Yeah.

[Mike]

And so if you see Chapel Bill and you don't get it and it's in that blue, you wouldn't get it anyway if it's a Chapel Hill.

[Morgan]

Yeah, Right. That makes sense.

[Mike]

Yeah. ESPN is said to be closing in on the next era defining media deal. Sources in the loop say negotiations with NFL and ESPN are closing the deal. Those sources say would see ESPN acquire NFL Media, which is the arm of the league that focuses on content and runs the NFL Network. I do believe that they are getting Red Zone channel.

[Morgan]

Red Zone. Yeah.

[Mike]

That'd be one of the products that they buy. It's no coincidence that this coming fall we'll see ESPN's programming become available as a direct to consumer product at 29.99amonth. I'm not sure what that means. I know what it means. As in you pay 29.99 and then you get ESPN. But I don't think they're coming off of cable. I don't have cable. I have YouTube TV.

[Brandon]

Yeah, same is that the same thing, what, as cable?

[Mike]

Yes. What do you mean?

[Brandon]

Because like you say you don't have cable. Is cables even still exist? Because.

[Mike]

Yeah, yeah.

[Morgan]

Like Spectrum or Xfinity, I think another one for sure. Even DirecTV is still.

[Mike]

I think all that. Which is a provider.

[Brandon]

Yeah, right.

[Mike]

I use as my main provider YouTube TV. So I get ESPN. But then I also subscribe to ESPN already. So I don't know how this direct consumer model changes things. Maybe you don't have to have a package at all and you can just buy ESPN for $29.99 a month. I don't know.

[Morgan]

Yeah, like me. Well, maybe you don't have to have YouTube TV. Right. It's like a streaming service, basically.

[Mike]

But then it's. Do you have. No. It's for people who have no streaming services, I assume are not streaming services providers for cable. It's hard to cuz.

[Morgan]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

So hard.

[Morgan]

Yeah.

[Reed]

Who cares?

[Mike]

Another way for them to get our money. How about it?

[Reed]

Yep.

[Mike]

Eddie and I played another round of our golf tournament yesterday.

[Morgan]

Okay.

[Brandon]

Round two in the books.

[Mike]

Round two of four, the humiliation games.

[Morgan]

Okay.

[Mike]

I like it where I have to give Eddie 500 bucks if he wins and he has to dress up in a Superman costume and stand on the street corner for two hours holding a sign, this is Bobby's better at golf than me. And then grill for my wife and I in the same superhero costume.

[Brandon]

That one's gonna be weird. And be honest.

[Mike]

And we played round two yesterday. Round one, I shot at 84, Eddie shot at 85. Round two yesterday, I shot at 84, again, 86.

[Brandon]

So I am three strokes back in the tournament.

[Morgan]

Same course.

[Brandon]

Same course.

[Morgan]

You doing all four there, right?

[Mike]

Yeah, we did that. Cuz it was close and easy.

[Morgan]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

Why not?

[Morgan]

Yeah, why not? Dang.

[Brandon]

So it's a dog fight, dude. It's weird because, like, Eddie was getting.

[Mike]

Mouthy yesterday and he wasn't the guy he usually is.

[Morgan]

You're getting mad.

[Mike]

Yeah, I wasn't.

[Brandon]

Something kind of just irked me the wrong way, you know, like a competitive.

[Morgan]

Eddie came out or like pissed off.

[Brandon]

Bobby hits in the water and then he drops in the middle of the fairway. I'm like, oh, you're gonna just drop it in the middle of the fairway? Like that's where the drop is.

[Mike]

He was. He was mouthy way before that, by the way. And if you go backward, you can drop it wherever. And I was backward from where?

[Brandon]

And then in the middle of the fairway, he goes, oh, okay. So he kicks it A foot backwards. I'm like, well, I was.

[Mike]

I was already backward. And the fairway's right by the water.

[Brandon]

No, you dropped it in the middle of the fairway, not by the water fairway. So, yeah. Am I gonna get mouthy? Yeah, I got a little mouth.

[Mike]

Hey, when that ball went in the water, he yell, this is how dishonest he's being. Because when that ball went in the water, he yelled, water. So before. So before he. This is. This is the one point. Because I have, like, three or four before this, but this is how you.

[Brandon]

Know he's lying now, by the way.

[Mike]

One of the things that we were like, dude, like, you're, like, yelling stuff I did hit in the water was the only time he hit on the water, and he goes, water right when it hit in. And so if that's what made him mad, why was he already being a jerk before that?

[Brandon]

The water? No, no, I wasn't being mad about the water. Every hole he's like, is that in? Because you know him with a glass.

[Mike]

I can't see anything.

[Brandon]

Exactly. So I'm telling you, it's in the water.

[Morgan]

No, that's where the water comes from is what you're saying.

[Mike]

Not a single hole was he like, that's in the middle. That's in the left. But the one time I go on the water, he goes, water.

[Brandon]

I was assisting you.

[Reed]

Did you get any?

[Morgan]

Hey, nice shot, man.

[Brandon]

A lot.

[Mike]

No, he. He was so cranky yesterday, the whole time on the course, and when you drop, the water is right by the fairway, and there's a sliver of rough. And also, Eddie was trying to move his ball and crap. I was like, no, no, we leave it. But I took a drop, and I went backward for it, dropped in, and he's like, you're not back far enough. So I kicked it back even more.

[Morgan]

And a penalty stroke. Is it a. Oh, yeah.

[Mike]

Oh. You know why? It was because he hit his ball 10ft off the tee leading up to that in the same hole. He hit it 10ft off the tee, and that's why he started to get pissy.

[Morgan]

Dude.

[Brandon]

What was so frustrating is, like, there were these holes where, like, Bobby would just, you know, hit in the water or something, and I'm just like, oh, this is my chance. Like, this is my chance to get a stroke on him. Two strokes even, and I could never do it. So, yeah, it got frustrating. It got frustrating. And the whole moody Eddie that you're seeing. I'm not moody, dude. This competitive Eddie, man, you've never seen me before.

[Mike]

We play this par 5, and we don't do many gimmes, but if it's close enough, really close, it's like, let's. It was hot. Like, you can have it next hole.

[Morgan]

Yeah.

[Mike]

And so we're at one, and it was close enough to where it been gimme the whole time. And Eddie's like, no, putt it. And I, I. I put it and missed it. That's fine, because I did miss it. And then he was like, glad I did that. And he got. We got to the next tee.

[Morgan]

Oh, one.

[Mike]

No, no. It was like. It was later.

[Morgan]

Okay.

[Mike]

I'm not mad about it because you can call it anytime, right? And we get to the next tee, and I'm like, okay, this is where the cookie crumbles. Because anytime he gets like this, he falls apart. And Tom is with us, our friend. And he goes, yeah. I said, eddie, why did. I said, tom, why do you think they call him. The cookie goes? Because he crumbles. I'm like, exactly, Eddie. Double bogey next hole. Double bogey crumbled.

[Brandon]

Yeah. It's head games, dude. Head games with this guy. You think they do that in the tour?

[Mike]

I don't do any. I said nothing. I said nothing the whole time until he started.

[Morgan]

Like, water put it.

[Mike]

There was a club on a par three, you throw your irons in between the green and the cart so you don't forget them.

[Brandon]

Like, I know exactly what you said. Good.

[Morgan]

Okay.

[Mike]

And so we both laid our clubs down, like our 60 degrees, and Eddie walks back, picks us up, and leaves mine on the ground.

[Brandon]

Dang, dude, we're in a match, man. You think Koepka picks up Bryce? Bryce.

[Mike]

This is my point.

[Brandon]

A club. Now.

[Mike]

This is my point.

[Brandon]

Get your own club.

[Morgan]

But does it get you a little happy because you always say Eddie doesn't have a competitive edge to him, side to him? Or is this like a wrong kind of.

[Mike]

Is not competitive.

[Bobby Bones]

He's out.

[Mike]

This is him being a petulant child. This is a whining yes. Okay, okay.

[Brandon]

Hey, I did see something, though, I do want to point out, which is crazy. Like, there was a hole where we were. I mean, it was. I think we were both putting for pars. Maybe he made his par putt, and I got a bogey, and he's walking off the green, and I see him put his hands up like, thank you.

[Mike]

I did Johnny Manzel money to this guy. I thought I was praying, but I was doing Johnny Manzel money because I just, I had Hit it in the water off the tee, but the water was, like, right down the middle, and I didn't think I made it that far. And I guess I hit it so good it went in the water, which sucked, but I did hit it pure. And then I put it within five feet as my approach best shot. I hit all day over two waters onto, like, this. Not an island green, but surrounded by water green within five feet, and I ended up paring the hole. And so when I finished, I did the money. Money Manziel to the sky. And Eddie thinks I'm praying.

[Brandon]

Oh, I thought you were like, thank you.

[Mike]

No, I was. I was like, par because it was over.

[Morgan]

That deserves a man's own money.

[Mike]

Yeah, that round, it was over then, but he's been a little baby.

[Morgan]

So how's the last two going to be then?

[Brandon]

Oh, dog fights, dude. We're going.

[Morgan]

How are. How are you going to be?

[Brandon]

What do you mean?

[Morgan]

Like, are you going to keep this, by the way?

[Brandon]

I'm never talking, by the way.

[Mike]

Got in a car accident right before I played golf. So I was all out, like, oh, accident? Well, somebody backed into my car.

[Brandon]

Oh, man.

[Mike]

It's all dents in the back. And I went straight from there.

[Brandon]

You showed up in a neck brace and everything to the range and everything. Dang, dude. You shot an 84 and you didn't.

[Morgan]

Wait, you didn't see it, though. Like, you didn't see any. Who you're.

[Mike]

Oh, man. Oh, man.

[Reed]

Guys, guys, relax.

[Brandon]

This is a little offender bender.

[Reed]

Okay?

[Morgan]

You still had the mental, like, wherewithal to, like.

[Mike]

I promise my adrenaline was like, oh, God. Because you find your car's been. It's a new car as well.

[Morgan]

Right?

[Mike]

It sucks. How do you. How do you take your mind out of that?

[Brandon]

Okay.

[Reed]

Into competition?

[Mike]

It's called championship compartmentalizing. I'm glad you asked.

[Reed]

Got it.

[Brandon]

Oh, there's a term for that. Dude.

[Mike]

So we're two down.

[Morgan]

Dang. So wait, three.

[Brandon]

Three strokes ahead.

[Mike]

Yeah. Two rounds, down to four.

[Morgan]

Okay.

[Mike]

I'm up three strokes. I can lose all three of those on one hole. I'm not stupid.

[Brandon]

We're gonna need. Of course we're gonna need a big one.

[Morgan]

Yeah. But the fact that it's this close after two, it's pretty. Pretty good.

[Brandon]

It's pretty awesome.

[Morgan]

Yeah. No, it's.

[Mike]

Winner's the winner.

[Brandon]

I mean, round one. He came in with a throbbing headache. My head hurts, dude. Head hurts.

[Morgan]

Dang. Then a car around 2. Car crashed.

[Mike]

What's gonna happen? I played the game without even talking about. I mentioned at the beginning somebody hit my car. And then I focus and play golf. Yeah.

[Brandon]

Round three got my house burger on 18.

[Mike]

Just.

[Brandon]

Just saw my window smash in my house, man. Somebody's in my house right now.

[Mike]

Somebody's got my wife kidnapped, tied up.

[Reed]

You know what?

[Morgan]

But I'm here.

[Mike]

I'm here.

[Reed]

I'm going to play tea off.

[Mike]

That's right. Okay, Albert Breer coming up. Let's take a break and we'll talk to him.

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[Sarah Spain]

Kelly Harnett spent over a decade in prison for a murder she says she didn't commit.

[Mike]

I'm 100% innocent.

[Sarah Spain]

While behind bars, she learned the law from scratch.

[Mike]

He goes, oh, God. Harnett, jailhouse lawyer.

[Sarah Spain]

And as she fought for herself, she also became a lifeline for the women locked up alongside her.

[Mike]

You're supposed to have your faith in.

[Bobby Bones]

God, but I had nothing but faith in her.

[Sarah Spain]

So many of these women had lived the same, same stories.

[Mike]

I said, were you a victim of domestic violence?

[Sarah Spain]

And she was like, yeah, but maybe Kelly could change the ending.

[Mike]

I said, how many people have gotten other incarcerated individuals out of here? I'm going to be the first one to do that.

[Sarah Spain]

This is the story of Kelly Harnett, a woman who spent 12 years fighting not just for her own freedom, but her girlfriend's too.

[Mike]

I think I have a mission from God to save souls by getting people out of PR.

[Sarah Spain]

The girlfriends, jailhouse lawyer listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Bobby Bones]

I'm Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford, and in session 421 of Therapy for Black Girls, I sit down with Dr. Afia and Billy Shaka to explore how our hair connects to our identity, mental health and the ways we heal. Because I think hair is a complex language system, right, in terms of it can tell how old you are, your marital status, where you're from, your spiritual beliefs. But I think with social media, there's like a hyper fixation and observation of our hair, right. That this is sometimes the first thing someone sees when we make a post or a reel is how our hair is styled. We talk about the important role hairstylists play in our community, the pressure to always look put together, and how breaking up with perfection can actually free us. Plus, if you're someone who gets anxious about flying, don't miss session 418 with Dr. Angela Neal Barnett, where we dive into managing flight anxiety. Listen to therapy for black Girls on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Mike]

Let's now talk with senior NFL reporter at Sports Illustrated, Albert Breer. I love Albert when he's on anything. Right now he's traveling training camp to training camp. I think he's with the packers right now. And so we'll talk about Jordan Love. We'll talk about Minnesota and J.J. mcCarthy, because he just wrote an article about that. And big thanks to Albert for coming on. Follow him on Twitter AlbertBrier. Keep up with his insight and his articles. Here he is, Albert Brear. Hey, Albert, appreciate the time. I know you're at packers camp. I imagine camp is like the first day of school. This is my only relation to NFL football camp, where everybody's kind of excited on day one, and then they slowly realize now they have a lot of camp to go. Is that what camps like?

[Reed]

Yeah, I would say. Well, I think for everybody in football. And this is the way I feel now, having done this for 21 years. It's sort of like the first day before. It's sort of like before doubles in high school football or like before the first day of school when you're a kid where, you know, you kind of look at it like you're staring down the barrel of a gun before you. Before you. Before you get into it. And then once you get into it, it's fine. And then I would say, like maybe a weekend, 10 days in, it starts to wear on you a little bit. So it's like this sort of natural progression. I think that, that, that we all kind of feel like me, obviously, much less so than the players because I'm just driving from camp to camp and talking with people. But, yeah, there's obviously a lot going on, and it's an interesting time of year.

[Mike]

We were at Panthers camp last year. We're going to be at Titans camp coming up this year, and it feels like if you are a young multi. Multimillionaire, this is one of the worst times of the year, because it is the biggest grind, it seems. And the Panthers camp, they're not even on in Charlotte. They're in, like, South Carolina, in, like, a. At a college. If you're, like, a rich, young dude who is used to having access to everything, does this just suck?

[Reed]

Well, it depends on who you are. You know, I think, like, first of all, it's, like, what camp you're at, right? Like, because some camps, the players are sequestered. Like, the Panthers actually just moved their camp back to Charlotte, so they're in a little bit of a different dynamic. But the Chiefs go to this town, like, an hour and a half north of actual Kansas City, and they're. They're staying in the dorms. You know, the Rams went away to camp and have gone away to camp, and for a bunch of years, they were staying in this, like, beautiful resort in Newport beach in Orange county, you know, so it sort of depends on what team you're at. And then, like, for a lot of the guys, it's the rules, too. Like, there are some teams that only make their young players stay in the hotel, and then the veteran players can. Can go home at night, you know, So I think it's a different experience for everybody. But, yeah, I think, like, the. The older the guys get, the more the grind of it wears on them, and the more. And you also have, like, things that you're doing that you have to get away from. It's, I think, what most people would think, which is, like, you're going from living that life to now, all of a sudden, it's sort of work 24 7.

[Mike]

Let's start with the packers for a second, because I know that's where you are today. What's the expectation for Jordan Love in general now?

[Reed]

I think the expectation is that he's gonna. He's gonna level up. And, you know, like, he got paid last summer, and so he's now on. On. On this tier with, you know, Joe Burrow and, you know, some of his peers, Justin Herbert and to a Tungavaloa. And, you know, for all of those guys, really, the dynamic changes a little bit after you get paid, because when you're on a rookie contract, the team can build aggressively around you. And the packers you know, have, have been pretty aggressive in building around Jordan Love. And then, you know, after they, after you get the big contract now that means that they have to be a little bit more conservative and have a little more long range thinking in the way that they're putting the team together, which is sensibly means that you've got to be a little bit more of a force multiplier. And I think there were some growing pains with that with Jordan Love. Like, I think a lot of people thought the way he finished 23, like this was a rocket ship, you know what I mean? Like the, the way he played in the playoffs and the way he played at the end of the regular season, like that was just going to, that was just going to roll right in 2024. And you know, the packers have their answer for the next 15 years the way they once did with Farvin Rodgers, and it was a bumpier second year for him. So there are some moving parts on the offensive line. Right now they're bringing in Matthew golden to a group of, of young receivers they brought along the last few years. Obviously Christian Watson's hurt, but you know, Tavian Wicks and Jaden Reed and, and Romeo Dobbs and so, you know, like, I think it's really kind of more on Jordan Love to be the leader now and, and to be the force multiplier, you know, like to be the guy that's starting to lift the people up around him and that's going to start with him, you know, cleaning up some of the turnover issues, playing more efficient ball, you know, and then I think getting, getting the most out of a young receiver group that he's grown up with.

[Mike]

Trey Hendrickson is not even in Ohio. Like, he's like, I'm out. I'll see you when I see you. Are we anywhere close to resolving that?

[Reed]

I would say that is one of the more unpredictable contract disputes of the last few years, like, because there is so much water under the bridge. Bobby, two years ago this really began and part of the reason why he's in this position in the first place is because the Bengals got a pretty deep discount on him when they signed him from the Saints because they were sort of in a covet economy where the cap was depressed. And so, you know, he produced at a high level for him and the contract wasn't pacing with his production. So two years ago, you know, he, he really pushed for a new deal. They did a band aid one year extension. He tried to push again last year. Nothing happened. So this is the third off season that they've been in this situation where he's been fighting for. He's been fighting for a contract. So a guy who's been through all of that generally isn't going to take a hometown discount. And the pass rusher market has exploded. So you have miles Garrett at 40 of TJ Watt at 41. You have Daniel Hunter and Max Crosby, who are also older players. Those guys are now in the mid-30s. And so how do you. How do you. How do you get him a deal that's commensurate with a guy who's had 35 sacks the last few years? And then there's the way that they've done their own contracts. The Bengals had strict rules on guarantees and structure and all that stuff, and they broke those rules to keep Joe Burrow. They signed the two receivers this offseason. One kind of went in that borough bucket where he's like a contract that went beyond the precedence they'd set before that was Jamar Chase. And then T. Higgins signed a little bit more of a traditional deal the Bengals have done. So which bucket are you in? He's in his 30s. I'm sure the Bengals would look at and say, well, you know, we want to put him more with T. Higgins, where he's been fighting this fight for three offseason, so he'd be more on the. On the. On the. On the Chase side of it. So it looked like they had momentum over the weekend. Things really broke down on Monday, which I think precipitated that long drive back to Florida. And I think because of all that history that's there, it's a pretty unpredictable one going forward.

[Mike]

It just seems like the Bengals are in disarray right now more than ever. They can't sign Smart Stewart from Texas A and M either. And so. And that's a contract deal where it's. And that was a clause deal, right? Like. Like, if you act bad, we. What in Joe Burrow has had to, like, step in and be like, hey, even, like, sub tweeting them like, we need to get our deals done. Is Cincinnati just a mess in general? Is it because of the ownership there?

[Reed]

Yeah, I think it's. I think it's. Your history follows you, you know, and the reputation has always been that. That they're cheap. It's. I mean, it goes back to things that. That. That don't relate to any of this, you know, like, they didn't have a practice bubble until a couple of years ago, despite the fact they're in a Northern Climate. Their scouting staff is very small. Like, you know, four guys in the scouting staff. And, And Joe. I remember having a conversation with Joe a few years ago about this, and I remember him saying to me, the old Bengals are dead. And I really think, like, Joe has taken upon himself to try to change the face of the organization and be the change agent there, you know, and so he's had ways of putting pressure on the organization. He put pressure on them, on chasing Higgins, you know, and so it's. It's not surprising that he would try to do this with Hendrickson, too. I know, like, how Joe values every football season and how he views every season that goes by without a championship as a missed opportunity. And I also know he's well aware of the Bengals reputation and what their reputation has been, not just over the years, but over the decades. And so he's tried to be the change agent, and I think he's succeeded in a lot of different ways. Their scouting staff is. This off season, they added three new scouts to the scouting staff without. Well, I think while they. They only lost one, you know, so I, I think, you know, the Chase deal was a step in the right direction. Burroughs deal itself was a, was a, Was. Was a step in the right direction. And, and we'll see where this one takes them. But that's, That's a. The reputation they've had a long time that I think in both these situations, both with Stewart and with Hendrickson, it's going to follow them.

[Mike]

Micah Parsons, speaking of edge rushers last year of the deal, but Jerry Jones is talking about it like, well, what. Is there any chance he doesn't end up a Cowboy?

[Reed]

I don't think so. Like, I, you know, there was a point earlier in the off season where I, I said, like, I think if, if you were another T, if you're another team in need of a pass rush, I would at least make the phone call. And I'm not saying teams shouldn't now, but we're in training camp and are you going to be able to get full value for Micah Parsons? And if you're the Cowboys, are you going to be willing to give up Micah Parsons for assets that you might not be able to. To use this year? They'd be, you know, you'd be talking about trading for draft picks that you're not going to be able to. They won't help you on the field until 2026, you know, so I don't think so. It's just been the Cowboys way of doing business, and I Can't say, Bobby, that I fully understand why they keep going down this road. But it a road they went down with CD Lamb, it's a road they went down with Dak Prescott at one point. A couple summers ago, they went down this road with Zach Martin, where he was out of camp for, I think, almost a month before he got the adjustment he wanted to his contract generally. And a team right there in the division has benefited from doing business this way. The Eagles always get way ahead on these things. Generally, if you've got a player that you're really sure on, you want to sign him as early as you can, and when it's a young player, the first chance you have to do that is after three years. The Cowboys didn't do that with Dak, they didn't do that with CD and they didn't do that now with Micah. And in each case, at least with Dak and cd, it cost them a lot of money to wait. So I can't tell you exactly why you would want to wait here. I know Micah hasn't been perfect, you know, and there are, you know, some. Some relationships in that building like that, some stuff that he's had to. That he's fought through and the team's fought through, but he's such a great player. I just. I don't fully understand the logic on not wanting to get this one done early. So you pay a little bit less than you would if you waited like they have.

[Mike]

I was reading your article on MMQB about JJ McCarthy and, you know, obviously last year he didn't play at all, but he was able to be around the game. And Kevin o' Connell has. And I work with Matt Castle, who o' Connell was Castle's backup, and they're boys. And I've been able to spend time with Kevin o', Connell, but he was talking about how that system fits any. I would say cerebral quarterback is if you can make decisions quick, you will succeed in that Kevin O' Connell system. How do you see JJ McCarthy coming along being that he didn't get to play at all last year?

[Reed]

Yeah, I think two things like he. You do feel the effects of losing the year, you know, of stuff in practice. One example I was given just talking to the guys yesterday was how, you know, when you're in the scout team, you learn kind of like some of the subtleties to throwing the ball in the NFL. Like, one thing JJ really had to work on was, you know, what they call layering the ball and learning to throw a little bit More touch and taking some speed off his fastball. And that's something, when you're running the scout team, that you can learn to do that because you start to learn like, okay, like this is what the windows look like in the NFL. This is how I have to throw the ball to complete it. And he lost all of that, like all that work. So he definitely had some catching up to do from that perspective. Lost some of the meeting time that he would have had last year. I mean, it was a really hard year on him for sure. Like, he went through a lot physically, mentally, all of that. That said, I think since January he's really checked every box and he's been around a lot and he spent a lot of one on one time with Kevin, which obviously is beneficial. They've got good infrastructure for the quarterback there with Wes Phillips and Josh McCown, you know, and I think for, for J.J. now it's drill after drill. He's gotten better. It's, you know, it's day after day, he's gotten better and it's just making up for all that lost time, which, you know, just, it's going to take time to do that. The second thing is I think what you touched on, which is how good the situation is, the coaching situation is really good. We've seen what it did for Kirk Cousins, we've seen what it did for Sam Darnold. And on top of that, I, I don't think, and this is just talking to Kevin yesterday. They're definitely not going to ask the world of him. You know, they want him to just be able to go out there and play quarterback, which is what they did with Sam. You know, so they're going to do things in the screen game, they're going to do things with the run game, they're going to do things with play action off the run game. They're going to do things with a quick game. Like they're not going to be asking him to carry the team and be Superman right out of the gate. And they've got a good enough team to execute that. Where the offensive line bringing in, you know, Will Fries and Ryan Kelly from the Colts and drafting Donovan Jackson in the first round, you get Christian Derrisol back from the ACL and then, you know, the receiver position. What they've gotten Justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison and then TJ Hawkinson at tight end and Aaron Jones in the backfield. They signed Jordan Mason from the Niners. Like they don't need him to go out there and be Patrick Mahomes. Or Josh Allen. And so the hope is that, you know, he just gradually grows, you know, like, that they can ask a little bit more of him gradually as he goes on. So I think those would be the two things is making up for lost time and then just going out and playing quarterback and not trying to be Superman out there.

[Morgan]

It's.

[Reed]

It's certainly worked for the guys they've had there since Kevin got there three years ago.

[Mike]

I've got three final questions. The first one is the Lions. They lost both coordinators. Can they hit the ground running or is it a bit of start over?

[Reed]

I think one thing, that's like one thing. I definitely have my radar, so I think they've groomed Kelvin shepherd to take over for Aaron Glenn. Not saying it's gonna be perfect, but I think that transition should be fairly clean. An offense. I just think it's. It's interesting because Ben Johnson's one of these guys where I think the offense was very specific to Ben. And it's like a little different than when you come from these big families where all of these coaches go different places and they've. They've all been successful and everything else. I think, you know, what you hear about Ben in Detroit was that it was very much, like, specific to him, you know, and that he would go into the lab on Monday night and come out Wednesday with something that was very much of his own creation. So I think, you know, Johnny Morton is an experienced guy, you know, a great pass game guy. You've got Hank Fraley back who will help run the run game. He's been their offensive line coach. But how you. How you kind of replace the uniqueness of what Ben was, I think is an interesting question. How you make up for it, I think, is with players. And I. One thing that's like, really apparent when you go out to their practice, how many guys they have in like year three, year four, that are just hitting their stride as players, Year five, like Penne Sewell, Aman Ross, St. Brown, Brian Branch, Aiden Hutchinson, Jameson Williams, Jamir Gibbs. You've got all these players in that roster that are still ascending, you know, so we all looked at it, Aleem McNeil, we all looked at it as this group that was like, God, this is a really talented team. And then you look at the age and it's like maybe that, like, little bit of that tick up that you get from where those guys are in their career can make up for whatever they're going to lose with the coaching turnover.

[Mike]

Final two questions. Bo Nix, An Older quarterback. So is he closer to a ceiling now than some of these other guys?

[Reed]

I. I think it's the easy thing to say, and I think to some degree that's probably true. You know, Jaden and Jaden and Bo Nix played five years. Those guys are, those guys are older. Michael Pennix played six. You know, so those guys are older than Drake May and Caleb Williams and J.J. mcCarthy, who are all only in college for three years. I think Bo doesn't get enough credit for what he did last year. Because if you look at like a lot of the young quarterbacks, when they have, you know, big years when they're young, you can look at the talent around them and say, all right, like that team was able to build something really great around him. And I'm not saying, like, the Broncos don't have really good players, but he's throwing the Cortland Sutton and Marvin Mims and, and, and Devon Vale and Troy Franklin. And, you know, the offensive line's good. You know, you've got Garrett Bowles and Mike McGlinchey and, and Quinn Miners. But are you looking at like a really special offensive group? So I think his ability to come in and play at the level he did, I don't think he gets the credit he deserves for it. So, you know, adding an Evan Ingram, bringing in RJ Harvey from ucf, like, I think there's an opportunity for him to get better just by virtue of Sean Payton has got another year with him and they've gotten a little bit better from a personnel standpoint on offense and the defense should be lights out. Like, that's. The other part is like, people don't look enough at that when it comes to quarterback play. You know, when you've got a great defense, that's giving you good field position, that's, you know, giving you three and out. So the other defense gets worn out. That can really be something that helps, you know, a young quarterback. And the Broncos defense was top of the league last year. They add Drake Greenlaw, they add Talanoa Hunga. It's. That should be one of the best groups in the league, which I think will only help, though.

[Mike]

My final question is about the NFLPA scandal. And look, I think now we look at that Deshaun Watson deal and go, holy crap. Because that's just a lot of money to guarantee. And now you find out afterward, they're like, we shouldn't do this anymore. And people are stepping down, resigning. Where does this end? Like, what is worst case scenario?

[Reed]

Well, I mean, first of all like, I think for the players, they have every reason to be pissed. You know, I, I, I, I, I said this, I remember being asked about this when Desean signed his deal in 22. People ask like, is this going to be the beginning of fully guaranteed contracts? And my answer generally was it depends on what happens next. I said the same thing after Kirk Cousins signed his deal in Minnesota in 18. Is the next deal fully another fully guaranteed deal, or is it a traditional quarterback deal and then the deal after that and then the deal after that. And so what we found in 22 was those deals all became more traditional deals which allowed other teams to point at Watson as the outlier. The level of organization that went into that, the communication between the owners, that, that behind the scenes meeting at the, at the owner's meetings where the management council basically discouraged teams from doing fully guaranteed contracts, the way the Russell Wilson negotiation, the communication between Dean Spanos and Michael Bidwell, it all makes the owners look awful. And this is something that the union should have been shouting about from the mountaintops and instead they were helping cover it up. So if you're a player, you have every reason to think your, your union wasn't, wasn't serving in your best interest and the best interest of the greater group. So I think that that's a small piece of what's a massive, massive mess. And because you have all these other elements, I mean the crazy O.J. simpson thing that came out the other day, the strip club expenses, all that stuff, you know, the one team partners thing, which I think could wind up being worse than any of it, I think there's an opportunity here for the players to look at it and say, how do we want to reinvent our union? So I think in a lot of cases, like you would say, like the worst case is this nuclear option where the union gets completely blown up. But that might be what the players need here, right? Like is that we need a chance to kind of go in and reevaluate the way our union works and reevaluate what we want out of our union. I think this very well could end with them bringing in an interim director and then asking those questions. And I think that's probably exactly what the union needs to do right now.

[Mike]

A follow up statement. I can't believe anyone would use their, the credit card to go to a strip club. I mean, it's all there, it's all documented, it's on a receipt. It's unbelievable. It almost feels like an old Alabama coaching situation.

[Reed]

I'm not Saying, I spent too much time in those places. But they generally have ATMs in there.

[Mike]

Right, but they should list them as different. Now, I don't want to stand up for the person using the card.

[Reed]

You can get the discreet. Don't they normally have discreet?

[Mike]

Yes, some of them have like, it's like money option. Like that's what shows up on the credit card, not cabaret. The other thing is, and again, the final part of that is the NFL, Pennsylvania, like the union, weren't they doing it as a quid pro quo, meaning we'll cover you here, but you got to give us something on the backside.

[Reed]

So, I mean, there were a couple of things on that. There was, there was the first one, which was there were about $12 million in legal fees that the NFL incurred in fighting this case. And since they won the case, there's the question of whether or not they can go after that money and try to recover the legal fees from the union. So, you know, one thing I heard out there was there could have been a quid pro quo saying, like, all right, like, we won't pursue the $12 million in legal fees if you help us keep this quiet. The other one was, of course, the J.C. treader situation where J.C. treader was, was found to be responsible for, for, for the cop for making the comments about, about running back pay. In which case, like, they would be, they would be basically covering up the JC Treader. Mess that up in either case. It doesn't look good though, Bobby, you know, because in either case, it's like you're putting the well being, you're, you're throwing the well being of 2000 players overboard for either the financial well being of the union, you know, of the organization, or for the reputation of one person. And so no matter how you slice that and how you want to cut it up, like, even the private equity thing is probably the worst thing where like Lloyd Howell was actually in cahoots with the owners. And I know there were a lot of people based on Lloyd's approach that felt like he was way too friendly with the owners to begin with. And so, you know, having that smoking gun was, was that part of wanting to help the owners that you're looking to get donorship? No matter how you slice this, Whatever the reason was, I don't think there's a good reason that the union can give the rank and file player for why they did this.

[Mike]

Albert Brear. You can follow him on Twitter albertbrier and Also read his JJ McCarthy interview that I read on mmqb.com also massive fan when you go on Dan DP I love you over there. I'm a big Dan fan and so Albert, thank you for the time and thanks for talking with us about this.

[Reed]

Awesome. Thanks Bobby. My wife's a big fan. She wanted me to make sure I said that too.

[Mike]

Tell her I said hello. Albert. Thanks man. Thank you for the time. All right.

[Reed]

Thanks Bobby.

[Eddie]

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[Sarah Spain]

Kelly Harnett spent over a decade in prison for a murder she says she didn't commit.

[Mike]

I'm 100% innocent.

[Sarah Spain]

While behind bars, she learned the law from scratch.

[Mike]

He goes, oh God.

[Sarah Spain]

Harnett Jailhouse Lawyer and as she fought for herself, she also became a lifeline for the women locked up alongside her.

[Bobby Bones]

You're supposed to have your faith in God, but I had nothing but faith in her.

[Sarah Spain]

So many of these women had lived the same stories.

[Mike]

I said, were you a victim of domestic violence?

[Sarah Spain]

And she was like, yeah, but maybe Kelly could change the ending.

[Mike]

I said, how many people have gotten other incarcerated individuals out of here? I'm going to be the first one to do that.

[Sarah Spain]

This is the story of Kelly Harnett, a woman who spent 12 years fighting not just for her own freedom, but her girlfriend's too.

[Mike]

I think I have a mission from God to save souls by getting people out of prison.

[Sarah Spain]

The Girlfriends Jailhouse Lawyer listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Bobby Bones]

Joy Hardin, Bradford and in session 421 of Therapy for Black Girls, I sit down with Dr. Afia and Billy Shaka to explore how our hair connects to our identity, mental health and the ways we heal. Because I think hair is a complex language system, right. In terms of it can tell how old you are, your marital status, where you're from, your spiritual belief. But I think with social media there's like a hyper fixation and observation of our hair.

[Mike]

Right.

[Bobby Bones]

That this is sometimes the first thing someone sees when we make a post or a reel is how our hair is styled. We talk about the important role hairstylists play in our community, the pressure to always look put together, and how breaking up with perfection can actually free us. Plus, if you're someone who gets anxious about flying, don't miss session 418 with Dr. Angela Neal Barnett, where we dive into managing flight anxiety. Listen to therapy for black Girls on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Mike]

Eddie has scoop that Josh Allen lives here in Nashville now.

[Brandon]

Oh, my insider told me.

[Mike]

Okay, and so what is the news?

[Brandon]

First, that he lives in Nashville now, I guess still plays for Buffalo, but lives here.

[Mike]

So in the off season.

[Brandon]

Yeah, because it wouldn't be possible to live in Nashville while you're playing in Buffalo.

[Mike]

A lot of quick flights in the morning.

[Brandon]

Yeah, but that's pretty cool to have Josh Allen as our neighbor.

[Mike]

I don't know that that's true.

[Morgan]

As your neigh. Your neighbor or all our neighbors because we live here.

[Brandon]

You know what I mean?

[Mike]

Let me google it. Do you want to say your source is?

[Brandon]

Let me just say, because I don't want to out my source, but let me just say my source found out from some other sources. Parents.

[Mike]

That sounds like total bull crap.

[Brandon]

It's my son. It's my 11 year old. He was at a camp. He was at a camp and he said that the. His buddies were telling him, yeah, Josh Allen lives here. According to their dads. Their dads are in the industry and.

[Morgan]

They know that Josh lives here like the NFL industry.

[Brandon]

They didn't get into details.

[Morgan]

Like what industry?

[Brandon]

11 football.

[Morgan]

11 year old industry. What are we talking about?

[Brandon]

They really don't know what they're talking about.

[Mike]

I googled it.

[Brandon]

What does it say?

[Mike]

It says, no, Josh Allen has not moved to Nashville as of July 2025.

[Brandon]

Oh, July.

[Mike]

Well, that's. What that's. Unless he just moved here.

[Brandon]

Well, I mean, it was fresh off the press. That's what my son said.

[Mike]

I'm not saying you're wrong because Aaron Rodgers has a house here. Yeah, I don't know that he lives Here full time. George Kittle, he does live here full time, and this is his home. It's not in San Francisco. Calipari has, like, a house here and is a member of a club, you know, So I think people are here, but I don't see anything.

[Brandon]

I think it's probably not a Google bowl thing, you know, like, it's.

[Mike]

It's.

[Brandon]

It's still private. Like, you still. Yeah, you want to move to Nashville, you want to keep it on the down low. But. But you know, people in the industry. Like I said, sounds like you're starting rumors as well.

[Morgan]

But is it possible to take in a Jared Allen?

[Mike]

Jared Allen does live here.

[Brandon]

No way. No way. The kids thought they were talking about Jared Allen.

[Mike]

I would not think so either.

[Morgan]

Yeah. Yeah, your kids probably don't know who Jared Allen are.

[Brandon]

No, but they know exactly who Josh Allen is.

[Mike]

Going to the hall of Fame this year, though. Jared Allen.

[Morgan]

That's right.

[Mike]

Yep, that's right.

[Morgan]

Yeah, stud.

[Mike]

Eddie's giving you crap for being a dad influencer.

[Morgan]

Yeah, a couple weeks ago, remember we talked about that? He was giving me crap, and then he invited my wife and I and our kids over to barbecue last weekend, and he starts barbecuing and grilling up, and all of a sudden he's like, hey, Kevin, can you come take some pictures and video of me barbecuing over here? Like, yeah, man, I got you. So then I take pictures, video, send it to him, a couple hours later, he posts it, and now he's all about this grill.

[Mike]

He's a girl influencer.

[Morgan]

And now he's a grill influencer.

[Reed]

Influencer.

[Morgan]

He even invited me over just so I could take pictures and grill.

[Brandon]

That's not the only reason I invited you over.

[Morgan]

It's. It's one of them. Then.

[Brandon]

Did I make you feel that way?

[Morgan]

I mean, after you just use me for my camera skills. Yeah.

[Brandon]

Look how Bones, how long have I been cooking? How long have I been grilling?

[Mike]

Yeah, but you haven't tried to be a grill influencer until you got that.

[Brandon]

The Blackstone dude.

[Mike]

And I will say this, your stuff looks good. And I know. I don't want to give a crap about that stuff, but it does look good.

[Brandon]

Thank you, man.

[Mike]

I find myself liking those pictures. And I don't like anything on Instagram. Not because I dislike things. I just don't think about liking stuff. No, I appreciate it, but I double tap those.

[Brandon]

I appreciate that, but. But look, dude, I've been cooking for ages, right? So it's natural for me If I want to cook a little more. Share on my Instagram. This dude's been a dad for three months, and now he's showing people how to. This is how you hold a baby. Get out of here.

[Mike]

So is there a threshold of when you can be an influencer?

[Brandon]

Yeah, you got to have knowledge. You got to have knowledge of what you're doing.

[Mike]

What if you're influencing as you're learning and that's your whole style. Like.

[Morgan]

Yeah, like, my whole thing is new parents because I'm a new parent.

[Brandon]

Like, I saw some pop up. I didn't.

[Mike]

The two babies on him.

[Brandon]

Yeah, yeah. Honestly, I didn't watch it.

[Mike]

I didn't either.

[Morgan]

But you liked it. I don't know if you liked.

[Mike]

I'm just.

[Brandon]

I didn't like it.

[Morgan]

Okay.

[Brandon]

Because I didn't purpose. What was that about?

[Morgan]

On purpose?

[Mike]

Yeah, it was like, drink machine or something.

[Morgan]

Yeah. Drink station. Yeah, it's a little drink station. Just something I kind of came up with and saw and then little, like, advice for new parents. And this one was all about the summer essentials.

[Mike]

Like, I don't.

[Morgan]

How to keep your kids cool during the summertime.

[Mike]

Right there. I don't know anything. He just said. Yeah.

[Brandon]

What are you talking about? Drink station. What do you mean?

[Morgan]

So it's in their nursery, and I just give this quick advice on things that you should.

[Mike]

But what's the drink station mean? I don't. I didn't see a drink station.

[Morgan]

You didn't see the sign? It says drink station from our wedding.

[Mike]

But I was looking for, like, a drink station.

[Morgan]

Yeah. Like, the kids are drinking out of the bottles. Like, there's empty bottles in there for kids. And it's like the drink station, the first one, I was. I was eating them.

[Brandon]

You see what I'm saying? But.

[Mike]

But I'm not the audience. And also, yeah, I've never had a baby, so it's like, what am I do. I saw it and I was like, I'm missing the joke. I just squirted.

[Brandon]

No, no, dude, listen. I've been a dad for many, many years. I have four boys. I'm not getting it.

[Mike]

Are you trying to be an influencer? A dad influencer?

[Morgan]

No, I'm just having fun with it.

[Mike]

Make a little side money.

[Morgan]

Yeah, I mean, I would. Yeah, I'm having a little fun with it. I got a tick tock now, guys.

[Brandon]

Hey, welcome.

[Mike]

He sounds like Bill Belichick.

[Reed]

I finally got tick tock.

[Morgan]

I take it once a week.

[Mike]

So what's. What's the best Case scenario with your dad influencing.

[Morgan]

I haven't really thought that far. I just have fun doing it. My wife does it with me, the kids do it with me and we just have fun like collaborating together. Why don't you look fun making these videos and like the target audience, like you have these people commenting, especially the females, cuz they're like, I want them to be like hey, look to their dad, new dads, husbands, whoever might be.

[Brandon]

Always trying to be doing shares.

[Mike]

So have you had a video that's gone like soft viral?

[Morgan]

No, I think the first one was like 6,000 views.

[Mike]

What do you get normally?

[Morgan]

I don't really post many reels. Maybe like two to three.

[Mike]

Okay. So it was better than your average double.

[Morgan]

Yeah, I guess so. Yeah. It depends on what viral. Soft viral. So for me maybe. Yeah.

[Mike]

Can I give you a tip?

[Morgan]

Yeah.

[Mike]

If you want to have this be your thing, what these social media platforms do. Because if you go to my TikTok, I use TikTok as an example. My TikTok, it's all country music stuff. It's really. I don't do anything except stuff country music or country music adjacent because they feed that. Because there's really no such thing as social media anymore. It's mostly media you want and for you media. So especially TikTok. Like if I'm on the following page, I quickly go over the for you page because I want it to feed me things that I want. And it used to just be we would follow social media was you just see what everybody you're following does. Now it's even YouTube is basically a for you page more so than just than who you're following. And so if you're creating a certain type of content, it feeds that content to the people that want that kind of content. If you're doing that then you put up some Celtic stuff and those people see your Celtics thing and they don't like it, it'll stop putting that content into their feeds. So you have to be super consistent with it and not fully divert from it. If you want that type of content to be focused and given to people who don't follow you, who want that type of content.

[Morgan]

I think for TikTok that's because the only two videos I have are the two that I've done on TikTok that is. And the second one, I mean it was like as of yes or a couple days ago, it was like 800 views compared to the first one that had been out for a month and only had like 200. It had a lot more interaction. And that. That tick tock is strictly as of right now, just for those videos. That's the only thing I've put up on there and the only time I've gone on there.

[Mike]

It's why I have separate sports accounts now. Because I would find that I put sports up on stuff. I put music stuff on. It would kill both of them. Because sports people didn't want to see the country music stuff and the country music people don't see the sports stuff. And everything's a for you page now more so than it is people you're following. So my TikTok just all country music stuff, interviews, me talking about it, etc, my Twitter for the most. Twitter sucks. Twitter's the worst now.

[Morgan]

I love Twitter.

[Brandon]

It is.

[Mike]

It's my favorite forever. But it's. It's scumbag. It's like there's nudity on it. Now the. They're finding these bot farms that people can buy so easily. It's so easily manipulated. You can't trust it. Twitter was my favorite. It is now the worst. It's the most toxic. That is. I just put up anything because I. Who cares? It's like paint a building in a bad neighborhood.

[Brandon]

That one. Like Twitter's like, you're like having a bad day today. That's it. Right? I use the right stuff like that.

[Mike]

Or like, no, dude, you sound like a grandma. I don't want to see what people are eating every. You know, here's what I'm eating.

[Brandon]

Well, when I get on Twitter, I see Twitter's other than.

[Mike]

Twitter's best for news.

[Brandon]

Other than new stuff. People, other people I see just, they say stuff just like, you know, what's the deal with green? Blah, blah, blah.

[Mike]

Like, you know, people Seinfeld tweets and.

[Brandon]

Then people started doing green. You know what I mean?

[Mike]

I don't think you're on Twitter enough.

[Brandon]

I'm definitely not on Twitter.

[Morgan]

Mine's all news. Sports news.

[Mike]

It's mostly news. Yeah. And good luck with that.

[Morgan]

Thank you.

[Brandon]

So you're really trying to do this dad thing.

[Morgan]

Yeah. First it was just kind of an idea and then now I just. I legit have fun with it with it. It's just a fun little side thing and if it turns into something great.

[Mike]

So what's best case scenario for you in this dad fluencing world?

[Morgan]

Best case is to gain a following, especially on. On TikTok. I don't know. More than I have on Instagram. I guess then 10,000.

[Mike]

Okay, good. 10,000. You can monetize it.

[Morgan]

Okay, so there we go. 10,000.

[Mike]

No, you can do lives at 10,000, I think is what it is.

[Brandon]

You can monetize your lives.

[Mike]

You can monetize anything. But I think. I think 10,000 is lives. Right, Mike? Yeah. And you can set up a tik.

[Morgan]

Tok shop at 10,000.

[Mike]

Yeah. O.

[Morgan]

Okay, well, there you go. 10,000 then. And then just kind of see where it goes from there. And if I can monetize off of it, great. But these kids are also so young for so long. That's the thing, too.

[Mike]

Eddie, what's your goal? Best case scenario? Being a grill fluencer. Ooh.

[Brandon]

I mean, I really hadn't thought of it until now that Kevin thinks I invited him over to be a grill influencer, cameraman. But I'm for it. And I didn't really even think about just kind of focusing in on my TikTok, on what that's going to be about. Because right now it's anything, everything and anything. Yeah.

[Mike]

And in social media times, that was what you could do because the people that followed you cared. But now what you need to do is catch the algorithm. And the algorithm is feeding your specific type content to a specific type person. And if you're producing anything outside of that, they don't know that at first. And all of a sudden they're saying that people who usually like your grilling stuff, they don't like whatever you just put up. But what you just put up is you singing with your guitar.

[Brandon]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Jimmy Buffett song.

[Brandon]

Exactly.

[Mike]

Because those people that used to like you get the point.

[Brandon]

You know what I'm thinking about doing, and I probably will start doing this here soon, but I like watching what people put on TikTok. And like, there's like, here, here's a sriracha chicken. I tried that. I want to take that and then make it myself and see how good it actually is. Because a lot of people put these things on there. Like, this is so good in the summer. But then I'll make it and be like, this is not good at all.

[Mike]

You have to do it and you have to be consistent with it.

[Brandon]

Yeah, but I do it anyway, so why not record it, right? Like, I do take meals off of TikTok and cook it for my family anyway. And then we kind of judge it. Do we like it? Keep doing it. We don't like it. Don't do it anymore. But instead of just doing it for the family, do it on TikTok.

[Mike]

Look at my influencers here.

[Morgan]

I know.

[Brandon]

Look at us growing.

[Mike]

It's like my coaching tree.

[Morgan]

There we go.

[Mike]

Yeah, it's like my coaching tree. All right. Finally, a New York City pawn shop owner has pleaded guilty to buying and selling luxury items stolen by a burglary crew. Victims include Joe Burrow. There's people who stole from him.

[Brandon]

Yes, this was the pawn shop people. So, like, as a pawn shop owner, if you know that these are stolen goods, now, you're in trouble.

[Mike]

Yes.

[Brandon]

Got it.

[Morgan]

But.

[Mike]

But no, as a general person, if you know it's stolen and you sell it, well, I feel like that's what.

[Brandon]

A pawn shop is, right?

[Mike]

Like, not stolen, not supposed to be.

[Brandon]

But that's usually what happens, right?

[Morgan]

No, they check and all that.

[Mike]

Not only that, we used pawn shop a lot as a kid because you just pawn anything and they give you a fraction of the price. And then let's say I wanted to pawn the Vanderbilt helmet we got from Diego Pavia. If I wanted a pawn shop, I was like, I want to do that. No, but I want to pawn this. The guy be like, I'll give you 30 bucks for it. Now, he doesn't own it, but he takes and gives me 30 bucks. He has the helmet. After a certain amount of time, I have to go back, and to buy it back, I have to pay $45. And. But if I don't buy it back, he then has it and owns it, and then he can sell it, but he knows he's going to sell it for $70.

[Brandon]

So you take it for quick cash.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

With a plan of getting your property back.

[Mike]

You need money now. It's almost like a loan check cashing place. Yeah, but with stuff. And the difference is, with a check cash in place, they're giving you a little less money to get it early. Right. And they'll get the. You guys ever been a check? Imagine all this. Never.

[Morgan]

Never been. But I have an idea.

[Brandon]

I have family members.

[Mike]

It's a version of that where they're going to give you less than it's worth. You get some cash, you do get a chance to buy it back, but you got to buy it back with interest. So they're making money off of that at the least. And if you never come back, they know that that's valued at more than what they gave you for it. So they can sell it and make a profit then. So they're making a profit. As soon as you drop something off and they value it and give you.

[Brandon]

They got a profit as far as it being stolen.

[Mike]

They ask you, well, are there Stolen things that are sold. Absolutely. But I don't think. And having family members that have run pawn shops and used pawn shops, I don't think think most things are stolen.

[Morgan]

I had a friend, long, long time ago, stole something, took it a pawn shop in the same city that he stole something. Oh, yeah, yeah. He got arrested.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

Is that because the pawn shop told on him?

[Morgan]

Well, they run it, like, make sure there's nothing reported stolen of this, whatever it might be. And if they see something pop up, then they report it to the police and then so forth.

[Brandon]

Yeah. That Joe Burrow stuff's crazy.

[Mike]

Yeah. I wonder how they knew the guy knew.

[Brandon]

The pawn shop guy.

[Mike]

I wonder how they knew he knew.

[Brandon]

Yeah.

[Mike]

All right, cool.

[Eddie]

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[Sarah Spain]

Kelly Harnett spent over a decade in prison for a murder she says she didn't commit.

[Mike]

I'm 100% innocent.

[Sarah Spain]

While behind bars, she learned the law from scratch.

[Mike]

He goes, oh, God. Harnett, jailhouse lawyer.

[Sarah Spain]

And as she fought for herself, she also became a lifeline for the women locked up alongside her.

[Bobby Bones]

You're supposed to have your faith in God. But I had nothing but faith in her.

[Sarah Spain]

So many of these women had lived the same stories.

[Mike]

I said, were you a victim of domestic violence?

[Sarah Spain]

And she was like, yeah, but maybe Kelly could change the ending.

[Mike]

I said, how many people have gotten other incarcerated individuals out of here? I'm going to be the first one to do that.

[Sarah Spain]

This is the story of Kelly Harnett, a woman who spent 12 years fighting not just for her own freedom, but her girlfriend's too.

[Mike]

I think I have a mission from God to save souls by getting people out of prison.

[Sarah Spain]

The girlfriends, jailhouse lawyer. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Bobby Bones]

I'm Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford, and in session 421 of Therapy for Black Girls, I sit down with Dr. Afia and Billy Shaka to explore how our hair connects to our identity, mental health, and the ways we heal. Because I think hair is a complex language system, right, in terms of it can tell how. How old you are, your marital status, where you're from, your spiritual belief. But I think with social media, there's like a hyper fixation and observation of our hair, right? That this is sometimes the first thing someone sees when we make a post or a reel is how our hair is styled. We talk about the important role hairstylists play in our communities, the pressure to always look put together, and how breaking up with perfection can actually free us. Plus, if you're someone who gets anxious about flying, don't miss session 418 with Dr. Angela Neal Barnett, where we dive into managing flight anxiety. Listen to therapy for black Girls on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Mike]

All right, that's it. Thank you, guys. Hey, before we go, Ed, do you want to talk about Cowboys camp for a second?

[Brandon]

Yeah, just a few updates. I thought it was really interesting. I love the press when they talk to Jerry Jones, and one of them asked Jerry Jones, you know, have you ever thought of stepping down as general manager? And he said, yeah, here you go.

[Reed]

Yes, momentary. How long? A moment. Now we're getting down to it. Small fractions of seconds. I promise you that.

[Mike]

You got us small fractions.

[Brandon]

You got us good.

[Morgan]

Classic Jerry.

[Brandon]

And then another thing, too, is they're showing the quarterbacks, and that's pretty cool. And I was like, who is that? You know, Will Greer's in the Cowboys. Like, I had no idea. I. I know Joe Milton's, you know, the backup, but Will Greer's on the Cowboys, and they spent. He had a lot of camera time. I'm like, why are we highlighting Will Greer? Are we. Is there something. Are they telling us something?

[Mike]

Why do you hate Will Greer?

[Brandon]

No, no.

[Mike]

Hate.

[Brandon]

It's just like, you know, he's just, you know, he's been in the league for three, six.

[Mike]

Six years.

[Brandon]

Oh, six years, right.

[Mike]

I could be wrong. Five or six. I feel like.

[Brandon]

Yeah, it's been a while. And I didn't even know he was a cowboy. And they spent some time on Will Greer at camp I'm like, that was pretty interesting.

[Mike]

I think they probably just highlight the second guy because I know he's going to play a whole lot.

[Brandon]

No, I think Milton should be the second guy though, right?

[Mike]

That's a good point.

[Morgan]

You would think. Did you guys see Justin Fields went down?

[Mike]

I did today. I saw that come across today. They said he started that. Like he walked at first. Jets camp. I can read you this from the Athletic. Justin Fields carted off a training camp. The New York jets quarterback left the training camp field on a cart Thursday after he dropped to the ground following an incomplete pass during 11 on 11 drills. He initially walked off the field to the medical tent with a heavy limp before being driven inside the locker room. Do you have more?

[Morgan]

It's a toe. From what coach? Who's her new head coach? Quinn. Not Quinn.

[Mike]

Glenn.

[Morgan]

Glenn. There you go.

[Mike]

I was like, who's the head coach?

[Morgan]

Yeah, of the Jets.

[Mike]

Got it.

[Morgan]

And it's like a day to day.

[Brandon]

So what's wrong with the toe?

[Morgan]

They. He just said, well, no more.

[Mike]

Aaron.

[Morgan]

With time. Aaron. Glenn. There you go.

[Mike]

I was like, glenn, Glenn Powell.

[Reed]

Great.

[Mike]

I started to think, do I not know who the coach is? Glenn. Aaron. Glenn.

[Morgan]

Yes.

[Mike]

The defensive coordinator from the Lions.

[Morgan]

Yes.

[Mike]

Okay, thank you guys. That's gonna be it. Appreciate you. Appreciate everything. Eddie, thanks for the the hot tips on grilling and the cowboys and who lives in town now?

[Brandon]

Josh Allen, inside information.

[Mike]

All right, thank you guys and we will see you guys early next week. Bye, everybody. Yeah, boy. Thank you. Theme song written by Bobby Bones. That's me. And performed by Brandon Ray. Follow Brandon on socials at Brandon Ray Music. You can follow the show on Instagram @bobbybonesports. Thanks to our crew, co host, producereddy, segment producer ickoffkevin and executive producer ikeastrove. But most importantly, thank you for listening. I'm Bobby Bones. We'll talk to you next time here on 25 Whistles.

[Bobby Bones]

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[Brandon]

Adventure should never come with a pause button.

[Bobby Bones]

Remember MoviePass? All the movies you wanted for just nine bucks. I'm Bridget Todd, host of There Are.

[Mike]

No Girls on the Internet.

[Bobby Bones]

And this season I'm digging into the tech stories we weren't told, starting with Stacey Spikes, the Black founder of MoviePass who got pushed out of the company he built.

[Reed]

Everybody's trying to knock you down, and it's not gonna work, and no one's gonna like it. And then, boom, it's everywhere.

[Brandon]

And that was that moment.

[Bobby Bones]

Listen to There Are no Girls on the Internet, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. Summer's here, and with the kids home and off to camp, it's easy for moms to get lost in the shuffle. On Good Moms Bad Choices. We're making space to center ourselves with joy, rest, and pleasure. Take the kids to camp. You know what? It was expensive, but I was also thinking, you have my kid. This is kind of priceless. Take her, feed her. Make core memories. I don't have to do anything. Main thing, I don't have to do anything.

[Mike]

To hear this and more.

[Bobby Bones]

Listen to Good Mom's Bad Choices from Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. This is an iHeart podcast.