25W: Eddie Apologizes to Kickoff Kevin for Bullying Him + NHL Analyst Pierre McGuire on the Significance of Team USA Winning Gold + Tim Hardaway Sr on Going from Zero D1 Offers to the NBA Hall of Fame

Summary

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The Bobby Bones Show — 25 Whistles

Episode Title: Eddie Apologizes to Kickoff Kevin for Bullying Him + NHL Analyst Pierre McGuire on the Significance of Team USA Winning Gold + Tim Hardaway Sr on Going from Zero D1 Offers to the NBA Hall of Fame
Date: February 23, 2026
Podcast Host: Bobby Bones (Premiere Networks)
Episode Length: Approx. 60 minutes

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Episode Overview

This lively episode of the "25 Whistles" segment covers a wide array of sports topics with a characteristic mix of humor, insight, and camaraderie. The main theme centers on the historic significance of Team USA winning gold in hockey, as analyzed by NHL insider Pierre McGuire, alongside conversations on college basketball, sports gambling, NBA culture, and a candid interview with basketball great Tim Hardaway Sr. The show keeps its trademark playful banter, including a segment where Eddie apologizes to Kickoff Kevin for ribbing him about an old tattoo.

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Key Sections & Insights

1. Opening Banter & Weekend Sports Recap

[02:16 – 11:00]

• Hosts: Bobby Bones, Eddie, Hunter Woodhull, plus NHL analyst Pierre McGuire (soon to join)
• Topics Covered:
  • Sneak peek into the upcoming Pierre McGuire segment and Team USA’s hockey win.
  • Personal anecdotes about watching the games with family.
  • Casual and “extreme casual” fandom in hockey and other Olympic sports.
  • Reflections on tournament overtime rules and the Canadian reaction to losing on a three-on-three overtime.
  • Sports betting escapades (UFC, basketball, golf, NASCAR) with Eddie humorously detailing highs and lows (“I was probably up $150 on Saturday going into Sunday, and then Rory McIlroy, man, ruined it for me.” — Eddie, [07:44]).

Memorable Quote:
“I don’t chase hockey because I don’t know much about it, but I did watch anything America’s in.”
— Bobby Bones, [04:12]

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2. Viral Poker Clip & Discussion

[09:49 – 11:29]

• Topic: Reactions to a viral clip of poker player Justin Smith tearing his ACL while celebrating a big win.
• Play-by-play fun with poker being called an “injury sport”:
  • “What the—this is no bluff, let me tell you.” — Bobby Bones, [10:43]
  • “Poker injury. I told you, this is an injury sport.” — Hunter Woodhull, [10:45]

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3. Featured Interview: NHL Analyst Pierre McGuire on Team USA’s Hockey Gold

[11:30 – 31:10]

Main Discussion Points:

• Pierre’s Background: Dual heritage, born in the US, raised in Canada, and straddling allegiances.
  • “I consider North America an amazing place. I’m proud to be American. I’m proud to be Canadian.” — Pierre McGuire, [13:24]
• Impact of Gold Medal Win:
  • Team USA’s win as a generational inspiration, akin to the 1980 “Miracle on Ice.”
  • “I think this team will do very much the same for men’s hockey … and the women’s team … the very same thing for women athletes.” — Pierre McGuire, [14:11]
• Canadian Disappointment:
  • Sympathy for Canada as hockey’s heartland after their loss in the gold medal game.
  • “It’s very painful … I’ve seen it for both sides. It’s very painful.” — Pierre McGuire, [15:26]
• Hockey’s Physicality & Culture:
  • Fights are real, “not staged,” with anecdotes about NHL family rivalries and on-ice animosity.
  • On Kachuk brothers’ symbolic fight to make a statement, echoing history.
• Rules, Overtime, and Debates:
  • Pierre’s preference for traditional overtime (“Maybe go to 4 on 4 rather than 3 on 3. Make it more of a hockey test than a skill or a speed test.” [17:48])
  • Three-on-three seen as practical but controversial (particularly among Canadians post-loss).
  • The effect of the absence of Russian players on the tournament outcome.
• Sidney Crosby & Star Power:
  • Crosby’s injury as a game-changer for Team Canada.
  • “Canada was never the same team after they lost Sid.” — Pierre McGuire, [21:13]
  • Connor McDavid’s struggles with recent near-misses and championship heartbreak.
• Olympic Experience & Culture:
  • Deep pride from NHLers in representing their countries (“They don’t get paid … and I think it’s fantastic.” [24:39])
  • The role of vision for goaltenders and Connor Hellebuyck’s elite performance—called “as good as any Olympic goaltending performance I’ve seen since 1980 with Jim Craig.” [27:20]
• How This Gold Medal Game Ranks:
  • Right up there with 2010 Vancouver and other legendary men’s and women’s Olympic hockey finals. [29:42]

Notable Quotes & Moments:

• “These teeth here? They’re not mine. Stuff like that happens. They’re real.” — Pierre McGuire, on hockey fights, [16:18]
• “Sid is such an important part … they just were not [the same team].” — Pierre McGuire, on Sidney Crosby, [21:13]

Podcast Plug:

• Pierre’s own: “The Eye Test” (on The Sick Podcast network) [29:53]

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4. Eddie’s Apology to Kickoff Kevin – Tattoo Bullying

[33:42 – 35:34]

• Eddie: Publicly apologizes to Kevin for teasing his compass tattoo, which Kevin has been having removed.
• Kevin: Explains the context of the tattoo (Greece, travel inspiration) and the painful removal process. “Oh, it hurts. … So bad. … Worse than getting it.” [34:54]
• Team riffs on the perils of youthful tats and the pain of removal.
• Playful speculation on covering up tattoos with sports-themed designs.

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5. Fans Changing Teams & Sports Allegiances

[36:00 – 39:49]

• Eddie debates with Bobby and Hunter about kids who switch sports allegiances frequently versus those raised as die-hard fans.
• Bobby: Justifies switching or casual loyalty when local teams are consistently bad.
  • “If the Titans were really good and they were really swept up in it, I think that would matter, too.” [37:48]
• Lively discussion of fan shaming, team loyalty, and the impact of TV/media on rooting interests.

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6. College Basketball Talk

[39:49 – 41:35]

• Quick hits on NCAA basketball: Arkansas Razorbacks’ performance, betting dilemmas, key players, SEC tournament prospects.
• Also general commentary on athleticism, team diversity (“They were just too white. … They just don’t have athleticism.” — Bobby Bones, on Vanderbilt, [41:02]).

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7. Featured Interview: Tim Hardaway, Sr. — From Zero D1 Offers to NBA Hall of Fame

[41:41 – 54:44]

Main Discussion Points:

• Early Years & Recruitment:
  • Tim wasn’t recruited out of high school—no D1 or D2 offers—due to size and lack of exposure, played with/against local pros for training.
  • Found by Texas El Paso through persistence and luck.
  • “I was not recruited. Not one Division one team. Not even a Division two team … I just had my … just a little small bag and I was just going out here playing.” — Tim Hardaway, [43:28]
• College & NBA Ascent:
  • How playing in “real world” pick-up games formed his style.
  • “It was the best of both worlds for me. I stayed at home and played with guys like Ricky Green … I was really learning professional basketball…” [44:13]
• NBA Career & The “Run TMC” Warriors Era:
  • Reflections on potential dynasty cut short by management decisions (“I definitely feel that if we would have kept Mitch that we would have been able to continue for a title.” [47:53])
  • Contrast of player power in modern NBA versus the ’90s (“Michael Jordan didn’t even have power over the Bulls. … it was all Jerry Krause.” [49:18])
• Writing His Memoir:
  • Emotional process of revisiting old stories, working with co-writer Jake Udi.
  • “All the time I’m talking about it … as I’m writing about it … I was going back and I was like, oh, you know, wait, wait, wait…” [50:38]
• Olympic Experience:
  • Pride in representing USA basketball (“That’s special. That’s very special. … It’s not about Tim Hardaway, Gary Payton, Jason Kidd, Vince Carter… it’s about USA.” [51:38])
• Book & Legacy:
  • Book is called Killer: My Life from the Chicago Streets to Basketball Royalty; cover features both Heat and Warriors jerseys.
  • “It was fitting to have … both of them jerseys on at the same time and showing me just dribbling a basketball.” — Tim Hardaway, [53:37]

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8. Closing Banter: Humor, Hockey, and “White Boy Winter”

[57:16 – 57:58]

• Bobby Bones enjoys the episode’s diversity of sports topics and the new “white boy winter” meme circulating after Team USA’s men’s hockey win.
  • “When the US Won hockey, they were calling it white boy winter.” — Bobby Bones, [57:29]
• Confirms hope for the future, more episodes, and their travel plans.

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Notable & Memorable Quotes

• Pierre McGuire [14:11]:
  “I think this team will do very much the same for men’s hockey … and the women’s team … the very same thing for women athletes.”
• Tim Hardaway Sr. [43:28]:
  “I was not recruited. Not one Division one team. Not even a Division two team … I just had … a little small bag and I was just going out here playing.”
• Bobby Bones [39:22]:
  “That’s why I don’t. Because I don’t want there to be any anger in my heart. I think that we—first of all, I think we can win the championship, but really … we could make it to the Elite Eight if everything [goes our way].”
• On Team Loyalty [36:48]:
  “I’m trying to tell him how important it is to not grow up like that. Like, guys, you don’t want to be like that. … If you become a fan like that, that changes teams all the time. Right?”
• On Fandom Changing [37:38]:
  “But they were [good] when you were a kid. … And also, if the Titans were really good and they were really swept up in it, I think that would matter, too.” — Bobby Bones

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Important Timestamps

• [11:30] – [31:10]: Detailed conversation with Pierre McGuire on the gold medal’s significance, international hockey culture, player mentality, and Olympic systems.
• [33:42] – [35:34]: “Tattoo bullying” apology and story with Eddie and Kevin.
• [41:41] – [54:44]: In-depth interview with Tim Hardaway Sr. on his unlikely journey to the Basketball Hall of Fame.

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Tone & Style

The episode is informal, humorous, and highly conversational. Bobby Bones and the crew keep a quick, approachable pace, using casual language and pop culture references. Expert guests are treated with respect but encouraged to explain things for “casuals” (non-experts). The interviewees offer both technical insight and personal stories, making the content accessible and rich for listeners at any level of sports fandom.

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Quick Takeaways:

• Team USA's hockey gold is a generational milestone, potentially inspiring the next wave of players—echoing the 1980 "Miracle on Ice."
• Eddie’s humorous apology to Kevin offers a moment of self-awareness and group bonding.
• Tim Hardaway Sr.’s story exemplifies perseverance; his NBA and Olympic tales remain relevant for athletes and fans alike.
• The hosts embrace being sports “casuals,” leveraging expert guests (like Pierre McGuire) to bridge gaps for their audience.
• Lighthearted but relatable discussions about sports betting, team loyalty, and regrets over tattoos infuse the episode with energy and humanity.

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Transcript

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[Bobby Bones]

Talking sports. And they all wear a whistle. Yeah, it's stupid, but what did you expect?

[Female Host]

It's a podcast called 25 Whistles.

[Pierre McGuire]

25 Whistles.

[Sponsor Voice]

Hello. Hello.

[Pierre McGuire]

Hello.

[Bobby Bones]

Floyd. We're international because we watch hockey.

[Pierre McGuire]

Oh, right, right, right.

[Hunter Woodhull]

Hello. Is that Australian?

[Bobby Bones]

That's a good point. That was kind of Canadian, but.

[Hunter Woodhull]

Bonjour.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, we're going to talk to Pierre McGuire in a second. We've never actually done a hockey segment, but he's a former NFL NHL executive and coach and current analyst. And did anybody else wake up and watch?

[Hunter Woodhull]

Heck yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Me too.

[Eddie]

You did. You watched live too.

[Hunter Woodhull]

Well, I got nine month old twins at the same time, so I didn't really have a choice, but Yeah, I was up and at them and Yeah, I watched the whole thing.

[Bobby Bones]

I felt I'm an extreme casual. Not going to act like I'm not. Well, for hockey, for America. Pretty in.

[Hunter Woodhull]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Because of the tournament they had at the NHL is All Star weekend when they did the battle of the countries.

[Hunter Woodhull]

Oh yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. I feel like I kind of know a little bit about what's going on. Like I've been following, you know, Connor McDavid.

[Hunter Woodhull]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

And like he's been losing the two. He's like the best.

[Eddie]

Who does he play for?

[Bobby Bones]

Well, Canada. He lost the last two Stanley cup championships, but he was MVP from Canada. Anyway. We're talking a lot of idiot here. Yeah.

[Hunter Woodhull]

Oilers. Yeah, right. Edmonton, Canada. Edmonton Oilers.

[Bobby Bones]

Okay, so. But we are going to talk to Pierre Maguire in just a second.

[Eddie]

That's cool.

[Bobby Bones]

Because that's what's up.

[Pierre McGuire]

But it was.

[Bobby Bones]

It was fun, huh?

[Hunter Woodhull]

Did you ever. Yeah, it was awesome. Do you ever watch the games with Pier, like on the ice or anything? Do you remember those at all or. No. When he was working for NBC. I think those guys are crazy that are down there. The announcers that are on the ice. Cause they're like.

[Bobby Bones]

What do you mean Pierre? I don't know. I don't know Pierre.

[Hunter Woodhull]

When he watch tv.

[Bobby Bones]

I never watch hockey.

[Hunter Woodhull]

Okay. Nevermind, guys.

[Bobby Bones]

I can't see the puck.

[Eddie]

Oh no, but see, but for a time though, there was a little tracer. Do you remember that?

[Bobby Bones]

I loved that. Well, I didn't love it, but I did. If it came on. I liked that. Yeah.

[Hunter Woodhull]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

I don't chase hockey because I don't know much about it, but I did watch anything. America's in. It's like soccer. I definitely get into it when we're all cunk.

[Hunter Woodhull]

Yeah. And at least we have a shot in hockey. We don't have a shot in soccer.

[Bobby Bones]

We won women's and men's gold.

[Hunter Woodhull]

That's awesome. Did you watch the women's one too?

[Bobby Bones]

I did.

[Hunter Woodhull]

I just watched the overtime. It was great.

[Bobby Bones]

Oh, that's all I watched too.

[Hunter Woodhull]

Yeah. Okay.

[Bobby Bones]

I'm being. Yeah, yeah. And I watched the whole thing.

[Hunter Woodhull]

Okay. Just making sure.

[Bobby Bones]

I think I watched the last part of the third period in overtime.

[Hunter Woodhull]

Yes.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah.

[Hunter Woodhull]

It was an awesome goal.

[Bobby Bones]

I did watch pretty much all of the. This magic. I was awake. There's Nothing on at 7am and so. Yeah. Did you watch any?

[Eddie]

No, I did not. Just the highlights.

[Bobby Bones]

It's cool, man, that, you know, they go to three on three at the end. It's like in The super bowl. If they went to. They go to overtime. And they played seven on seven flag football at the end. Oh, that'd be cool.

[Hunter Woodhull]

It was intense.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. And I can understand people being upset about it. Like the Canadians were really upset that it ended in this, but they played in the quarterfinals. They had to win by a three on three. And they won that one by three on three. But anyway, we know about hockey, so we're going to wait to get there with him.

[Hunter Woodhull]

Okay.

[Bobby Bones]

But it was cool.

[Hunter Woodhull]

It was awesome.

[Bobby Bones]

It's cool because we won. They just made the Canadians stand out there a long time after they lost.

[Eddie]

So is hockey your favorite event of the whole thing?

[Bobby Bones]

It probably has to be because it's what I knew the most about what

[Eddie]

you watch most of too.

[Hunter Woodhull]

Snowboarding is cool.

[Bobby Bones]

I know. I've never done that, never played hockey. But I have ice skated. I've never snowboarded, never ski.

[Eddie]

You've never gone skiing, huh?

[Hunter Woodhull]

Yeah, me neither.

[Eddie]

You would like that. But. But then now we're older and one fall could ruin it all, man.

[Bobby Bones]

I know. Anyway, yeah, probably hockey. Yeah, I did. I didn't watch the. Our. The girl who won the gold in the solo free skating. The figure skating, but I watched her whole four and a half minute routine after.

[Hunter Woodhull]

Unbelievable.

[Bobby Bones]

And she's been awesome. But I don't watch that live.

[Hunter Woodhull]

Yeah, me neither.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, I'm kind of a poser. I'm a casual, casual American Winter Olympics. No, no, no. Very much American.

[Pierre McGuire]

Okay.

[Bobby Bones]

Casual with the Olympics there. So, yeah. Why don't we just do a couple things and then we'll go to somebody who actually knows about hockey.

[Pierre McGuire]

Yes.

[Bobby Bones]

Because college basketball is happening. We're loving it. It's great right now. A bunch of good games this past weekend.

[Eddie]

Yeah. Really good games. The top four teams playing each other. They did.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. And Duke beat Michigan.

[Eddie]

Duke beats Michigan.

[Bobby Bones]

Arkansas played Duke. It was a pretty good game at the very beginning of the season, but nothing matters at the beginning of the season so much. But yeah, Boozer's good.

[Hunter Woodhull]

Real good.

[Bobby Bones]

His brother's pretty good too, but he's really good. He's probably first or maybe second overall pick.

[Hunter Woodhull]

Yeah. Now there's a. The top three, right? The Kansas kid, BYU and him.

[Bobby Bones]

Kansas. The Kansas can't even play in. He's checking out of every game.

[Hunter Woodhull]

Isn't that crazy?

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. What are you saying, Eddie?

[Eddie]

Oh, no. And then Arizona to beat in Houston.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

Oh, just the way it lined up. I'm getting ready for.

[Bobby Bones]

Although I could have put our money and we Buy teams.

[Eddie]

Here's the deal. I send you a note a little bit too early. So, like Saturday, dude, I dominated UFC. I won probably 85% of the fights.

[Hunter Woodhull]

Wait, wait, wait, you're gambling again?

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Hunter Woodhull]

Okay. Yeah, just making sure.

[Eddie]

Ufc, man. Ufc. I was like, let me just put some money on this.

[Bobby Bones]

I hit everything.

[Eddie]

I hit, I think one five game basketball parlay. No Namers. Buffalo.

[Bobby Bones]

Why are you betting no Namers?

[Eddie]

I don't know. To me, I just feel like the big ones are too unpredictable. The little ones. When it's Sam Houston State versus Lamar. Let's go, Sam Houston State.

[Bobby Bones]

You don't even watch it.

[Eddie]

Oh, yeah, I'll watch him. And that's, that's when everyone goes track them down. When my wife walks in and I'm watching Sam Houston State vs. Lamar, she's like, how much money do you have on this?

[Bobby Bones]

Nice.

[Eddie]

But I. So I. Dude, I was probably up 150 on Saturday going into Sunday.

[Bobby Bones]

Nice.

[Eddie]

And then Rory McElroy, man, ruined it for me. I thought for sure he would come back and win that tournament.

[Bobby Bones]

Oh, I didn't watch anything. Who won?

[Eddie]

No Namer. Some no Namer went into the Sunday with like a six stroke lead behind Rory. Rory was like, come on, dude, you can do this. He never could catch up.

[Bobby Bones]

But how much you bet on that?

[Eddie]

I bet 20 bucks on Rory to win. And then about halfway through, Rory had two birdies. I'm like, oh, he's got to win this. Put 20 more. So I put 40 back on that.

[Bobby Bones]

That's, that's, that's a lot of units.

[Pierre McGuire]

Significant.

[Eddie]

And then nascar, I started putting money on all these drivers.

[Bobby Bones]

Dude, you're laughing because he's always just ufc. Just ufc.

[Hunter Woodhull]

And then golf and then NASCAR and college basketball.

[Eddie]

Tyler Reddick, man, he wins another one.

[Pierre McGuire]

Back to.

[Hunter Woodhull]

Really?

[Bobby Bones]

I thought it was a repost. I saw that. I thought it was a repost of that. He won that Daytona.

[Eddie]

No, out of. I'm thinking out of all the drivers. He's not going to win again. That's so rare. No, he won again. Michael Jordan wins again, too.

[Bobby Bones]

Wow. Did Michael Jordan grab the kid's butt again or. They did not do that.

[Eddie]

He wasn't near the kid.

[Bobby Bones]

I saw where Cooper cups. NBA. Cooper Cup, Cooper flags, NBA jersey. The first one he played in went for a million bucks.

[Hunter Woodhull]

Wow.

[Eddie]

He didn't play that well that game. But still.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, he didn't start as hot as Knippel did, but now he's awesome. And Caneppo is still really great too.

[Hunter Woodhull]

Right.

[Bobby Bones]

How that Duke didn't win the national championship. Both those guys on the team wild to me.

[Hunter Woodhull]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

So. But yeah, Cooper flag his game worn game one. $1 million. He put up 10 points, 10 rebounds.

[Hunter Woodhull]

It's a double.

[Eddie]

Double, double, double. My bad.

[Bobby Bones]

The previous record for a jersey sold through NBA auctions was Victor wembanyama's NBA debut. 762. But Cooper flags. I think I'd still probably rather have Wemby's than Cooper flags, but. 1 million bucks. Dang. You watching much NBA?

[Eddie]

A little bit, yeah. Lost last night at Lakers. Boston lost on that one, too. Dude, I was chasing everything. I was chasing. So after Rory lost, I'm like, come on, I got to make some money.

[Bobby Bones]

Do you see the guy, the poker player that tore his acl?

[Hunter Woodhull]

Yes. The clip gone.

[Pierre McGuire]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

So this.

[Hunter Woodhull]

But it's a poker player.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, but it's a. It's a viral clip that's going back around again. But he's sitting at the table. Younger guy.

[Hunter Woodhull]

Yeah.

[Pierre McGuire]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

So it's an older clip, but it just. I saw and thought it was new when I first saw it, but turns out his name is Justin smith. He won $1.1 million. This has been a while ago. He went all in, but he tore his ACL because he was celebrating with his family. He kept playing in the tournament. He put his leg up, iced it. But, yeah, Here, play the clip. Here's the board. Can he escape? Back to back.

[Announcer]

Double up by Justin Smith.

[Bobby Bones]

Growing out both times. Mance to stay alive.

[Pierre McGuire]

Look how excited he is.

[Bobby Bones]

His fans, his friends.

[Hunter Woodhull]

Fix that tomorrow.

[Bobby Bones]

Wait a minute, Vince. Something's wrong out there.

[Hunter Woodhull]

We'll operate it on it tomorrow with the million.

[Bobby Bones]

Something very wrong. He's doubled over.

[Pierre McGuire]

He's.

[Bobby Bones]

He's really in pain.

[Hunter Woodhull]

Yeah, it snapped.

[Bobby Bones]

What the. This is no bluff, let me tell you.

[Hunter Woodhull]

Poker injury. I told you, this is an injury sport. They say that poker is not a

[Bobby Bones]

sport, but this is like.

[Pierre McGuire]

Well, this is pretty serious. People are rushing to Justin's side.

[Hunter Woodhull]

I'm really hoping it'll be okay. I mean, I'm able to play. I'll play it out.

[Pierre McGuire]

Terminant officials have stopped the clock.

[Bobby Bones]

I thought it was new when it happened, but it's funny regardless.

[Eddie]

The announcers, they're so good. Oh, that's a serious injury there. Wait a second, John.

[Hunter Woodhull]

It reminds me of dodgeball,

[Bobby Bones]

so.

[Eddie]

And of course, he can play through it. Like he's just sitting there, right?

[Bobby Bones]

No, but if it hurts and you've got to focus and you're doing running odds and I would say that's probably,

[Eddie]

I think, about the mental game.

[Hunter Woodhull]

Yeah, that'd be a throbbing pain.

[Eddie]

That's a good point.

[Bobby Bones]

But he was so far ahead after that that he was like, I can finish out there. Let's get over to our talk now with former NHL executive and coach and current analyst Pierre McGuire. Pierre was born in the U.S. raised in Canada. We talk about that because I'm like, what's the deal? Who you rooting for? He gave a pretty good answer. He's either been coaching, working in the front office, or covering hockey for almost 40 years. We're Casuals. He spoke to us like we needed to be spoken to. Right.

[Eddie]

Yeah, I like that.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. You can also check out his podcast and we talk about that here. All right, here we go. Big thanks to Pierre for coming on here. He is the great Pierre McGuire. Let us bring on now NHL analyst, former NHL executive and coach and co host of the sick and Senate NHL podcast the Eye Test with Pierre McGuire and Jimmy Murphy. Here he is, Pierre McGuire, coach. Thank you for coming on with us. We really appreciate it.

[Pierre McGuire]

Nice to visit with you, Bobby. Thanks for having me.

[Bobby Bones]

I want to tell you up front, I am a semi casual so I'm going to ask dumb questions, but I just want to be really. I grew up in Arkansas. I'm now the preds are here. I've just been exposed to hockey in the last few years. I have friends that play in the NHL, but I'm learning. So all that to say I'm kind of a dumb dumb. So please accept me for what I am.

[Pierre McGuire]

I just love the fact that you have passion, even want to talk about hockey. So go for it. Bobby. It's my pleasure to be on your show.

[Bobby Bones]

Okay, so we were having a little discussion about you before you came on because it says you were raised in Quebec, but also you were born up in the States. Who are you rooting for?

[Pierre McGuire]

The best team, whoever won. I've gone through this a lot, Bobby. I gotta tell you, I was born in the same hospital in Englewood, New Jersey that the great Bill Parcells, the legendary football coach, was born in. Called the Englewood Hospital. But when I was very young, my mother's French Canadian, we moved to Canada and I basically grew up there until my junior year in high school when I went to play sports back in New Jersey at a big time school called Bergen Catholic High School. So I've experienced both sides of the border and I've coached on both the American side and the Canadian side. My children were born in Canada, but they are dual citizens, just like I am. My wife is French Canadian, so I consider North America an amazing place. I'm proud to be American. I'm proud to be Canadian.

[Bobby Bones]

We also like North America, if we're being honest. We're big North America fans as well, because our show is also in Canada, like so. Okay, good. Now that we have that established, I feel like there. I also did not grow up around a lot of soccer, but I think there have been a couple soccer matches in my life where I look back and I think kids saw them growing up and it probably inspired them to play soccer. And then they remembered, oh, I saw that. Do you think this is that for American kids that were watching this game?

[Pierre McGuire]

Yes, I do. I was a freshman in College in the 1980 Olympic year, and I couldn't believe the passion. And I went to school in upstate New York, where obviously Lake Placid is. And back then, we didn't even get to see that game between Russia and the United States live. It was on tape delay on abc. So I saw what that did for a generation of players not long after I played professionally. And then I started coaching in college. And that whole wave after the 1980s, Billy Guerin and Jeremy Roenick and Tony Amante and Brian Leach and Kevin Stevens. I can go on and on all these great American players. Mike Richter, the legendary goalie that won the Stanley cup for the Rangers in 1994. Bobby, they're all product of that 1980 team. I think this team will do very much the same for men's hockey. And I think the women's team, obviously, that won gold in 98 and one goal in 2018 and just won gold in 2026. I think the women's team is going to do the very same thing for the women athletes that want to play hockey.

[Bobby Bones]

Now, I'm, Again, I'm a big Canadian fan, because we just are. Our show does well in Canada, so it's a tough loss. I want to tell everybody, all my Canadian friends, I love you. Tough loss. Okay, so getting that out of the way, like, that's gotta hurt, right? Because that's like. It's like Canadian's main sport. Canada's main sport, right?

[Pierre McGuire]

Oh, no question. I mean, again, I broadcast a 2010 gold medal game. I remember like it was yesterday, even though it was 16 years ago, and it was a Sidney Crosby golden goal. I remember him yelling, screaming to Jerome McGinnlay, Iggy, Iggy, Iggy. Pass me the puck. And he gets in the puck and he beats Ryan Miller. So the Americans, you know, tasted that very same defeat that the Canadians experienced in terms of a victory in 2010. So I've been around it. I've seen it for both sides. It's very painful. People remember the Four nations event from last year where the United States lost in overtime in Boston to Canada. It happens when you go best on best. As you know, Bobby, anything can happen. These are amazing athletes that really represented their countries unbelievably well yesterday in the gold medal game.

[Bobby Bones]

I watched the Four nations and I watched them fight at the very beginning. Now, how real was that? And. But how or how performative was that fight at the beginning?

[Pierre McGuire]

Oh, it's real. It's real. See these teeth here? They're not mine. Stuff like that happens. They're real. And the truth is, is that, you know, the Kachuk wanted to make a statement, just like their father did in 1996 when he was representing the United States at what was then called the World cup of Hockey. And they had a massive fight to start a game between Canada, United States and Philadelphia. So that kind of stuff has happened before. It doesn't happen in the Olympics just because if you fight in the Olympics, you're out of the game. So that's not going to happen in an Olympic event. But, yeah, no, the fighting is real. It's not staged, I can tell you that.

[Bobby Bones]

But these guys have to play together all the time. Like this happens. And now they have to go back and then continue playing some on the same teams, right? Yeah.

[Pierre McGuire]

But you know what's interesting about hockey at the National Hockey League level, you build up this animosity towards other teams or other players, and sometimes you get traded to that team that you might not like, or you get a player from a team that you don't like and you don't like that player, and he ends up being on your team. Brad Marchand's a great example. Played for Canada yesterday. Gets traded by the Boston Bruins to the Florida Panthers. Nobody liked Brad when he was in Boston, if you were a Florida Panther. But as soon as he comes to your team and he helps you win a Stanley cup, you think the world the guy. That's just part of what happens in professional hockey. It's not one of those things where too many people take stuff personal and you just move along and go with the punches, so to speak.

[Bobby Bones]

What are your thoughts on the 3 on 3 in overtime?

[Pierre McGuire]

It's a fair question. It's actually a good question. I'd like to See them manipulated a little bit. Maybe go to 4 on 4 rather than 3 on 3. Make it more of a hockey test than a skill or a speed test. But quite frankly, I thought it was tremendous drama on the women's side where we saw a three on three goal decide the gold medal game for, in this case, in favor of USA with Megan Keller just making a spectacular play for the US Women. And I thought yesterday's goal from Jack Hughes was beautiful off the rush. A great play by Zach Werensky. And so would I like to have three on three? Probably not. But is it the way the rules were set up? Yeah, it is. I'd like to see them probably try to compensate a little bit and maybe make it more of a hockey test. Go to 4 on 4 rather than 3 on 3.

[Bobby Bones]

Is that for casuals? So the game doesn't last an extreme long amount of time.

[Pierre McGuire]

I don't know. I wasn't in their room when they decided to come up with that. So that had to be negotiated between the double IHF and probably the National Hockey League and all the sanctioning bodies. I wasn't in the room. So I don't know. But I would just say it's the way we decide or try to decide games in the National Hockey League is by playing three on three. And maybe that was just a carryover from that.

[Bobby Bones]

A lot of Canadians were complaining about it as it being a game seven. But didn't they have to win the quarters in overtime with a three on three as well?

[Pierre McGuire]

They most certainly did. And it's a highlight. Real iconic goal by Mitchell Marner of the Vegas Golden Knights. Used to be obviously a key member of the Toronto Maple Leafs. There was no complaining after that goal went in. And that was a spectacular play by Mitchell Marner, by the way, to score that overtime winner against check in. And quite frankly, look at, you know, Connor, not Connor McDavid. Excuse me, Nathan McKinnon's goal in the semifinal against Finland. That's with less than a minute to go on the power play. I don't think, you know, the Finns were too happy about losing that way either. So there's always going to be debates, there's always going to be all kinds of kerfuffles that happen over the course of a hockey tournament. And I get it. The one thing I just want to say, out of respect, this has nothing to do with politics. I think good portions of this event would have changed had the Russians been there and able to play. Has nothing to do with politics. I don't mean any disrespect to Ukraine, to Russia, to anybody, but if the Russian hockey players were at this event, I think it might have changed the outcome a little bit.

[Bobby Bones]

Do you think they would have won it?

[Pierre McGuire]

No, but I think they might have upset somebody that could have been in the gold medal game.

[Bobby Bones]

What do you think about Sidney Crosby not being able to play? Do you think it would have changed the outcome of the game?

[Pierre McGuire]

I do. I do. And I've been saying this. I said it on NBC, I said it on cbs. I've said it on a lot of different shows I've been on. The truth is, is that Sydney was really a big part of their strength. The strength of their team was obviously Connor McDavid, Nathan McKinnon, Sidney Crosby. That kind of depth through the middle of the ice is hard to beat. Crosby centering a line with Mitchell Marner and Mark Stone. Hugely important line. 14, Canada. Crosby goes down in the quarterfinal game against Czechia after a hard hit by Radko Gudis of the Anaheim Ducks, the captain of that team, by the way. And quite frankly, Bob, they. Canada was never the same team after they lost Sid. They just were not. Sid is such an important part. So if you think about it, 2010 scores a golden goal. 2014, the leader of another gold medal winning team. And he and Drew Doughty were the only two guys that were on this team, Canada, that had any kind of Olympic experience. And it was both times winning gold medals. They didn't have anybody else in that team that had ever played in the Olympics.

[Bobby Bones]

Back in the day, John Elway had lost a bunch of Super Bowls way early. It took him a while to come back and actually win a Super Bowl. But I feel like with Connor McDavid and the last two Stanley cup finals and winning the silver, he did win the mvp. But I don't think that. I don't think that probably matters to him. It's been a rough run for him as far as winning championships or gold medals. What do you think his psyche's like right now?

[Pierre McGuire]

Oh, I feel badly for him. First of all, he's an unbelievable. He's probably the best player we've ever seen at doing what he does. Traveling at a high rate of speed with the puck on his stick and still being able to process the game the way he does. As much of a goal scorer he is. He's a better playmaker. He's not to do that at that rate of speed, almost 30 miles an hour, and be able to process the game the way he does is just overwhelmingly amazing. He's obviously got to feel mentally beat up a little bit. It can't be fun. You know, I've coached in two Stanley cup finals and was fortunate enough to be part of the. On the winning side twice. And I got to just tell you this, Bob. I said once to a person that's a very good friend of mine, I said I could never imagine going this far over the course of a season and losing. And I've never had to experience that. He's had to do it two times in a row. Plus lose an Olympic gold medal game. That's got to be just painful. Unbelievably painful.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, that's got to be very painful. If I were a candidate, I wouldn't have wanted the little stuffy they were passing out. Did you notice that? That they were giving out the little stuffed animals.

[Pierre McGuire]

I don't really pay attention.

[Bobby Bones]

So when they were giving them the silvers, they were passing out the little stuffed animal with the silvers. You know, I think you read the room and maybe you don't. You don't give this. Also, they left them out there way too long. I feel like if you lose, you should be able to go back into the locker room and then come out. That sucks to have to sit out there, regardless of who you are.

[Pierre McGuire]

No, it's a fair point. It is a fair point. I've been in the world championships a lot. They do the very same thing. It's. It's agonizing. There's no question. Same thing happened in the women's game, by the way. You know, you go to overtime and you lose a game. And if you're Canada, you're sitting there. And if you're Mary Phillip Poulain, probably the best female player in the world and for sure the best Canadian woman ever. You see her reaction. I mean, she just so beaten down. It's just painful to watch. And so, yeah, it's. You know how they used to say the agony and defeat. You could see the agony defeat yesterday. That, that was tough to watch.

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[Bobby Bones]

I felt bad for them having to stay out there the whole time because there was a good 15 minutes where they could have walked back into the locker room. Also something else had a beef with. They should have had the third place team out there. Like you should have been waiting to come out and accept your bronze medal.

[Pierre McGuire]

You know, part of, I think, and I could be wrong on this part of it is a lot of those players that were on the finish team, they're NHL players. As soon as they got their medals, they probably moved on. They probably really moved on to their NHL teams. The NHL schedule starts in full on Wednesday night. So to get from Milan, let's say to, for the sake of argument, L.A. or San Jose, it's not around the corner. So I think a lot of the guys and ladies, by the way, once their events were done, they bolted because the Professional Women's Hockey League starts again soon too. So I think that's probably why you didn't see that with the bronze medal winning team.

[Bobby Bones]

I'm curious the culture of playing for your country in the Olympics, because as you know, in America and basketball, some of the guys just don't want to do it. And they're like, you know, I don't want to do it. I don't want to go play for the USA team because it's too much work. So they don't do it. Does that happen at all in international hockey, or does everybody really want to play for their national team?

[Pierre McGuire]

They want to play for their national team. I'll tell you. After the 2014 Olympic Games in Sochi, I was there and I was about to get on our charter back to the United States and an NHL official came up to me in the lobby of the hotel right after the Americans had been eliminated. Canada ends up beating Sweden in the gold medal game. And this NHL official said, I hope you enjoyed this Olympics. I go, why is that? He goes, NHL is never coming back. I said, what? He said, nope, we're not coming back to the Olympics anymore. I said, well, that's really short sighted. I think that's a massive mistake. In my 37 years in the National Hockey League or being around it, I've never once been angry at the league. I was really angry at the league for that. And they didn't go back in 2018, and they didn't go back in 2022. I can tell you one of the things they used in collective bargaining, the NHL players and the NHL to get to this labor harmony we have now is they put a lot of duress about Olympic participation. The players, to a man, wanted to go, and if they couldn't get back to the Olympics, they probably were not going to have the labor harmony that they have right now. So good on the players. They really are passionate about representing their countries. They don't get paid to do this, and I think it's fantastic. I love Olympic hockey and I'm really proud of both American and Canadian women and the American and Canadian men. They put on two amazing Performances in gold medal games, all four of those teams.

[Bobby Bones]

What I found interesting watching yesterday was during the Face off, they would then get the Canadian guy off. Like, he's so good. You have to tell me a little about that because they would do Face off and they would. He just ran off the ice, especially during the three on three. Is he that good at that?

[Pierre McGuire]

Well, you're talking about Sam Bennett or Bo Horvat. They're both pretty good at Face off. So the answer is yes. The Americans do this very same thing with Vinnie Trocheck. So the answer is yeah. They call them Fogos and lacrosse and so yeah, that stuff, stuff happens. Face off guys, it's become pretty prominent. Puck possession matters a lot in three on three, so winning the initial draw helps a lot.

[Bobby Bones]

You mentioned if you fight during the Olympics, you're out of the game. So are there no need for the what I enforcer type players at the Olympics there?

[Pierre McGuire]

I've, as far as I know, and I've been going to the Olympics since 2002, this is the eighth one I've covered. I would just tell you straight up, Bob, there's never been just a thug. That's been good. I'm on an Olympic roster. They can't, they can't play at that level. So you need physicality, you need tough guys, you need guys that are going to perform certain roles when it comes to checking. But in terms of just one dimensional players that are thugs now, they don't, they don't play in the Olympics.

[Bobby Bones]

Can you talk about the American goalkeeping performance yesterday? Because it seemed like that was pretty legit.

[Pierre McGuire]

What a great question. Connor Hellebuck from Alpena, Michigan, thrilled to death. Played at UMass Lowell. Never a highly recruited player. Played in a real high level league, hockey east and in US College Division one hockey. So happy for him. He's never really had a chance to win at the NHL level, even though he's had unbelievable individual awards like three Vezina trophies and MVP of the league and all that stuff. It's amazing. His resume looks great except for the winning part. I think we can put to bed now the doubt that he can't win the big game. That performance yesterday was all world. It was as good as any Olympic goaltending performance I've seen since 1980 with Jim Craig. That was just a fantastic piece of work by Connor Hellebach. He and his family and all his teammates should be so proud of that.

[Bobby Bones]

This is going to be a dumb guy question, but do goaltenders usually have great Vision, I mean, like literal vision. Is that a part of it?

[Pierre McGuire]

Absolutely. If you really watch and you're trying to scout goalies, that's one of the things you watch for. How they track the puck, how they read the play. Can they track long shots? What's their reaction time in tight. One of the cool things, Bob, if you really want to watch, and I know a lot of TV people do this, watch how Conor Hellebuk prepares before a game. He'll sit on his bench and he'll just do eye muscle exercises. I'm not kidding you. And he'll track things and you'll see him moving his head, moving his eyes, moving his head, moving his eyes. It's unbelievable to watch.

[Bobby Bones]

Watch.

[Pierre McGuire]

So the answer is yes. Vision really matters for goalies.

[Bobby Bones]

As far as gold medal games, how does this rank in games that you've seen?

[Pierre McGuire]

As good as I've ever seen. 2010 was phenomenal in Vancouver. The pressure on the Canadians to win, especially in their own building, was huge. The fact that the Americans came from behind in force and overtime was mammoth. And then you had the, you know, the drama of the Sidney Crosby golden goal in Vancouver. You know, like I said, I've coached in a lot of big games. I broadcast six, 16 straight Stanley cup finals, a Dunian Olympics, a lot of stuff. That reaction in Vancouver was pretty special. So those are probably two of the better male games I've seen. The 2014 women's gold medal game in Sochi was off the charts. It was unbelievable. Great come from behind win for Canada. The 2018 women's gold medal game in Korea was crazy good, with the Lamouru sisters and Megan Duggan performing so well. Matty Rooney, net for Team usa. They wanted a shootout. So this would be right up there with all of the great Olympic games I've had a chance to watch. Absolutely.

[Bobby Bones]

So tell me about your podcast. It's called the Sick. This is what I have written in front of me. The Sick Podcast, the Eye Test. What's the name of Is it the Sick Podcast or is it the Eye Test?

[Pierre McGuire]

The name of our show is the Eye Test. The Sick Podcast network is who we work for and most. And so it's actually Jimmy Murphy and I started that three years ago. It's been fun. I also do another one for one team media in Pittsburgh called Inside the Game, and it's been phenomenal to be a part of that company. And so I enjoy doing it. It's fun. I love talking about hockey. I love trying to build the brand of the sport. And I did it for a long time, and I don't want to stop anytime soon. I just really love being around the game and trying to tell stories about people in the game.

[Bobby Bones]

Well, I hope everybody checks out the eye test, and I bet you there'll be a lot of people listening because, like, I'm super interested now.

[Announcer]

Right.

[Bobby Bones]

I think this was good for me as an American to learn more about hockey, because I normally don't. I did go. I'll tell you this. I did go. I've been to some Preds games, and I did go to Game 7 when the Preds lost to the. To Pittsburgh. And that was a pretty brutal. That's a pretty brutal day, Coach. I'll be honest with you.

[Pierre McGuire]

I was broadcasting that game, so I remember it clear as day. Yeah. Yeah, that's okay.

[Bobby Bones]

That one kind of sucked. It's a bad day around here. Yeah. Not a good. Not. Not a good experience for your boy here. Coach, thank you so much for being on. I hope I did okay in asking questions that didn't make me seem like a complete idiot.

[Pierre McGuire]

Bobby, you guys have my number now. Mike can get in touch with me anytime. It'd be my pleasure to come on your show. I really enjoyed it. Thank you very much.

[Announcer]

Thank you, coach.

[Bobby Bones]

Have a great rest of the day.

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[Hunter Woodhull]

Girl, they're good.

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[Hunter Woodhull]

Mm.

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[Bobby Bones]

thinks that we may have been going too hard on you, Kevin.

[Hunter Woodhull]

Oh, change of guard here.

[Eddie]

I'd like to apologize.

[Hunter Woodhull]

Okay, what about we?

[Eddie]

I think we made too much fun of you over your compass tattoo.

[Bobby Bones]

Not we. I. I almost never did.

[Announcer]

You did though.

[Bobby Bones]

I almost never did. No, you did.

[Eddie]

I remember on the golf course you'd

[Bobby Bones]

be like, I didn't even know about it.

[Eddie]

Where did that ball go? Will you check your compass on your.

[Bobby Bones]

Kevin has a compass tattoo on his leg and Eddie would bring attention to it and make fun of it a lot.

[Hunter Woodhull]

That was like two years ago. So that was a while ago when

[Eddie]

we were staying in San Francisco. I looked at he was like wearing shorts and I go, dude, what's happening with your tattoo?

[Bobby Bones]

Because you were lost, right? And you were like, I need to find my way back to the hotel.

[Hunter Woodhull]

See, you are making fun of it. There it is, there it is.

[Eddie]

And he goes, yeah man, I'm getting it removed. I'm like, what? I'm so sorry.

[Hunter Woodhull]

Is it like you think it's because of you?

[Eddie]

Yeah, we made fun of you. Yes.

[Hunter Woodhull]

Oh no. I've had this for what, 10 years now? I've gotten a lot of flack for it. Don't get me wrong. I have one on each calf and full transparency. I don't like either of them. I can't get the other one removed because it's color, and you can't remove color fully. If I'm gonna do it, I'm not gonna do it unless it's fully. So it has nothing to do with you guys. It's just now or a couple years ago when I started this, I had a little extra money, and I was like, you know what? I think it's time. And it's taken a long time and a lot of pain.

[Bobby Bones]

Oh, it hurts.

[Hunter Woodhull]

Oh, my God. So bad.

[Bobby Bones]

Worse than getting it?

[Hunter Woodhull]

Yes. And the more sessions you go, like, the deeper you get in it, the worse it gets. They're like, it gets deeper and deeper. They tell you that.

[Bobby Bones]

Are you worried that because it's going away, you're gonna get lost, going to get it removed?

[Hunter Woodhull]

Sometimes I worry about that, but they have GPS now.

[Eddie]

I was going the right direction last time.

[Bobby Bones]

I knew where I was going. It's so gone.

[Hunter Woodhull]

Oh, crap.

[Bobby Bones]

Why'd you get that tattoo anyway?

[Hunter Woodhull]

I was in your spring break. No.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah.

[Hunter Woodhull]

I was in Greece, and I was like, I want to get a tattoo. And I was like, cool. Travel and compass. And then. It's big, though. Yeah. And then the next day I went and got it, and then it's like, man, I probably should have thought about that a little bit more.

[Eddie]

It was like, you're a traveler. That's what it signifies.

[Hunter Woodhull]

Yeah, I guess. You know, it's one of those cliche things where, like, yeah, that's something. A good idea. And then you get it and you're like, yeah, this is cool. And then, like, a couple months later, you're like, it's all right.

[Sponsor Voice]

What's on the other calf?

[Hunter Woodhull]

The California.

[Sponsor Voice]

Do you like that? Or you.

[Hunter Woodhull]

It's okay. Could you turn it into, like, Tom Brady's face or something?

[Bobby Bones]

What would you turn it into if you had to?

[Hunter Woodhull]

I don't know. Those were the worst. Oh.

[Bobby Bones]

Can I make a suggestion?

[Hunter Woodhull]

Painful tattoos.

[Pierre McGuire]

Yeah, the.

[Bobby Bones]

The o' Brien trophy.

[Hunter Woodhull]

The Dave o'. Brien.

[Bobby Bones]

The NBA.

[Hunter Woodhull]

NBA. Oh, I guess the same shape. Oh.

[Bobby Bones]

Like, you could turn it into Celtics

[Hunter Woodhull]

or something around it. 18 time. And then every time they win, I get an add on.

[Bobby Bones]

You just do. You just do. Yeah, like slots.

[Hunter Woodhull]

That is. That's not a bad idea, actually. Maybe I'll do something like that. I did see a Cowboys fan get there. You're going to get one covered. No, he got his Back covered the other day. It says Chiefs on it now.

[Eddie]

What does that.

[Bobby Bones]

Wait, what happened?

[Hunter Woodhull]

He had a cow. It's a Cowboys on top. Like, his whole back. And then it had a helmet of the Cowboys on his back and he got it covered up. And it's a big Chief now and then.

[Bobby Bones]

It's not Kansas City Chiefs. Yeah. Why did he switch teams? I don't know.

[Hunter Woodhull]

It didn't. I just saw the video. I didn't look too much into it.

[Pierre McGuire]

Got it.

[Bobby Bones]

But it was funny, you know?

[Eddie]

Like, two of my kids, they, like. There are two that are Cowboys fans. They're always going to be Cowboys fans, but there are two that, like, just depends on who's good. Seattle's doing good. We're going to be Seahawks fans. And I have a heart. Like, I'm trying to tell him how important it is to not grow up like that. Like, guys, you don't want to be like that. You're not going to have friends growing up. If you become a fan like that, that changes teams all the time. Right. Isn't that important?

[Bobby Bones]

Okay, So I would say yes. But if you were in a place where you had a winning team and you had an allegiance to that winning team, that would be your team. They are unlucky to live where the Titans are during their formidable years. And the Titans suck.

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

So they might be a little bit because they have friends whose dads play or because they're down the road, but they're not going to be dire Titans F. Because they suck. You're a Cowboys fan, right? 1. Because you're in Texas. But they were winning when you were a kid.

[Eddie]

Well, yeah. Yeah. But still. We're still a family.

[Bobby Bones]

But they were. When? You don't know. And they have access to all games now. You didn't have that growing up. You had one channel.

[Eddie]

That's true.

[Bobby Bones]

Two channels that showed.

[Eddie]

So true.

[Bobby Bones]

So it's just. It's different. And also, if the Titans were really good and they were really swept up in it, I think that would matter, too.

[Eddie]

Okay, but. But at some point they have to stop changing teams, right? Yeah.

[Hunter Woodhull]

Like, I get to an age they don't have to.

[Eddie]

Do you like that guy that, like, shows up to the.

[Bobby Bones]

No, but I don't have a guy in my life that's nine.

[Eddie]

But that's what I'm saying.

[Bobby Bones]

I know, but that's what I'm saying.

[Eddie]

Like, I thought you were a Cowboys fan. Nah, dude, I like the Texans now, man.

[Hunter Woodhull]

What's worse, the guy that, like, keeps switching teams or the guy that doesn't have a team but makes fun of your team when he loses.

[Eddie]

The guy that switches teams.

[Bobby Bones]

Really? Because I don't have a team.

[Hunter Woodhull]

Yeah, but you don't like.

[Bobby Bones]

But I don't make fun of you.

[Hunter Woodhull]

Don't make fun of.

[Bobby Bones]

I lose so much with all my teams. I always feel bad for people when they lose.

[Hunter Woodhull]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

If I had, like, if I was an Ohio State fan, maybe be different, but I lose all the time.

[Eddie]

You're right, man. You have a lot of opportunities to make fun of me for being a Cowboys fan, but you don't.

[Hunter Woodhull]

No.

[Bobby Bones]

I cry for you with you.

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

I appreciate empathy.

[Eddie]

It's very nice.

[Bobby Bones]

Nobody loses more than me. It sucks.

[Hunter Woodhull]

Yeah. I did see a car today. I had a Browns logo and a Ohio State. I was like, dang, a Browns fan. I was like, ah. At least I got the best.

[Bobby Bones]

Yes. Yeah, I don't have any. I don't have any of those because I'm a Cubs fan. We won once.

[Eddie]

What are you thinking about your, your Razorbacks, your basketball team.

[Hunter Woodhull]

Did you guys win the other night?

[Pierre McGuire]

I was watching a little bit of which Missouri.

[Eddie]

They won.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, we won.

[Hunter Woodhull]

Okay.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. It's crazy because I didn't. I don't bet. I'll bet Arkansas games, but I will if they're a favorite. I'm never betting the spread because I don't want to be happy they won, but sad they didn't cover. I will never do that. And they were, I believe, a ten point favorite or maybe nine and a half. And Missouri scored the most garbage bucket with one second left to.

[Sponsor Voice]

They didn't cover.

[Bobby Bones]

No, Yeah, I see what you're saying. Arkansas didn't even play defense. They were just like, it's over. So they were just dribbling down whatever as the right guy goes and shoots. A layup makes it. And I could see some people being like, oh. But that's why I don't. Because I don't want there to be any anger in my heart. I think that we, first of all, I think we can win the championship, but really, I think we could make it to the Elite Eight if everything. We have a top five player in the country, regardless of freshman or not.

[Hunter Woodhull]

Is that Brazil or not?

[Bobby Bones]

No. Dariusekoff.

[Hunter Woodhull]

Okay.

[Bobby Bones]

So, yeah, one of our best players got hurt. Well, one of our contributors just got hurt, Carter Knox. But I think that we could, we could make it to the Elite Eight if we had a decent draw.

[Hunter Woodhull]

Okay, so that's where your expectations are as of right now.

[Bobby Bones]

I Don't have expectations.

[Announcer]

Okay.

[Eddie]

But if you were forced to say something that's you would say, if I

[Bobby Bones]

were going to bet how far that we would go, I would go elite. Anything past that. Amazing.

[Hunter Woodhull]

The bonus.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah.

[Hunter Woodhull]

Are you gonna go to the SEC tournament at all? It's here again. I assume it's here.

[Pierre McGuire]

It is. Yeah. Right.

[Bobby Bones]

I've never not gone.

[Hunter Woodhull]

That's true.

[Bobby Bones]

And we'll probably as long we play. We play Florida.

[Eddie]

Oh, that'd be good.

[Bobby Bones]

They're really good. They're leading the sec. We're second. They're first. But they're up with two games. They're really good. And we play them in Gainesville, I think Wednesday. Yeah. It's a tough one.

[Hunter Woodhull]

SEC is good.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, we're good. I mean, Arkansas is good. SEC is good.

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Tennessee is getting good now. Like they're kind of growing that. Amen. That freshman year, he played terrible against us. He was like fish out of water. But now he's starting to be played really well. Who else? Vanderbilt's good in spurts. They're just too white.

[Eddie]

You mean like. You mean like the skin?

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. Oh, they just don't have athleticism. They don't have big. They're just. They're just. They're just too slow. Something.

[Eddie]

I see what you're saying.

[Announcer]

Yeah.

[Hunter Woodhull]

I mean, it makes sense. It's like one or two.

[Bobby Bones]

But it's like Purdue.

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Like Purdue always plays well until they got to play somebody that's actually has real athletes.

[Eddie]

You remember that Princeton team a couple years ago? They went pretty far in the tournament.

[Bobby Bones]

You know what they did? They played slow. They played. They just played back and played slow and keep away. You know, you only have so many white guys.

[Hunter Woodhull]

Yeah,

[Pierre McGuire]

it's true.

[Bobby Bones]

Everyone's like, I don't know what to say here, but can't argue.

[Hunter Woodhull]

All right.

[Bobby Bones]

Speaking of basketball, let's talk to NBA hall of Fame guard Tim Hardaway. It's Tim Hardaway, senior now.

[Hunter Woodhull]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Because his son plays. But he's got a book called Killer Crossover. He's known for his crossover. Back in the day, NBA Jam played it with him five time all star. The Heat retired his number 10 jersey. What's crazy, I don't think of him as a Heat player. I think of him as a Warrior player. See?

[Hunter Woodhull]

And I only think of him as a Heat player.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. Age big thanks to Tim for coming on. Here he is, Tim Hardaway Sr. Let's welcome on Tim Hardaway, senior. He's got a book called Killer Crossover. I just want to start. So I don't forget to say this, Tim, I played with you on NBA Jam all the time. Like you and Mullen. I played with you guys all the time. Do you hear that from people in a certain age range?

[Announcer]

Yes, we do.

[Bobby Bones]

You could dunk. You could shoot whenever you were playing ball. Was that cool for you guys?

[Announcer]

You know what people say? I could dunk on there. I've seen myself dunk on there. I played with myself on there with Chris and Mitch. I seen other people play with us. And, you know, it's a lot of fun. It is a lot of fun. And a lot of these guys, and they real big fans of doing those video games and all that. When I see them working that stick or working them with they thumbs and they hands and all that, it's amazing because, you know, we went out there and played basketball, you know, our thumbs. A lot of guys had to stop playing it because carpal tunnel or you had your thumbs and everything was hurt. So, yeah, you had to be careful with that.

[Bobby Bones]

Growing up in Chicago, and you end up going to utep, which I don't. I don't know why you chose utep. I'm sure there are a lot of reasons, but was the dream to go to the NBA or was it just to play college ball? Because that was the next step.

[Announcer]

So when I was coming out of high school, I was. Was not recruited. I was not recruited. Not one Division one team recruited me. Not even a Division two team recruited me. They thought I was too small. And I never went to camps that All American camp, Nike All American camp, or this camp here or that camp there. You had to have sponsors, as they used to call them. You had to have some people that would. Was, you know, pay 3, 4, 5, 6, $700 for you to go. I didn't have nobody that. That would pay for me to go. And I never asked nobody to pay for me to go, because if I thought I belonged, I thought that somebody would send me or somebody would sponsor me. So I just left it alone. So I stayed at home. It was the best of both worlds for me. I stayed at home and played with guys like Ricky Green, that was with, you know, the Golden State warriors or the Utah Jazz. Then I played with guys with like, Mo Cheeks and Doc Rivers and all overseas guys, Carl Nix, you know, I played with those guys all the time during the summer. So I was. I was really learning professional basketball when I was playing with these guys in Chicago at different parks, different rec leagues and stuff like that. So when People came back and they, they was, they came back and had all this gear, all this Nike gear, all this Adidas gear and all this and all that. I didn't have none of that. I just had my. Just a little small bag and I was just going out here playing. They was like, man, what you doing? I said, man, I'm playing against real pros. I'm not playing against these other guys. Y' all going. I'm playing against real pros and I'm. I'm holding my own against real pros. And they like, wow.

[Hunter Woodhull]

And.

[Announcer]

And, you know, as I got better, as I got better, they saw and he's like, you know, we probably making a mistake, you know, but guy named Russ Bradford used to keep in touch with me. He's from Chicago, from the north side. And somebody said, yo, man, you know, you need to look at this guy named Tim Hardaway. I think he'd be good for Texas El Paso. And he was, he was assistant coach and he was a scout at Texas El Paso. And he came to watch me play all summer long, all summer long for about two summers. And he watched me and he. And I was the last guy that Don Haskins went to go and recruit. Watch me at practice, watching me at a game. And he offered me a contract. That's how I got to El Paso. And, you know, it was a blessing in disguise because I need to get away from Chicago. I need to get as far away from Chicago and do my own thing, to find my own path and find myself. And El Paso was the greatest place. It's well kept secret. And I keep telling folks that if you want to get away and get your mind together and get your life together, go to El Paso. They great people, genuine people. You don't have to worry about nobody lying to you, stealing from you. They take care of you, they listen to you, they help you. And it, it's just genuine there, man. Just really, really genuine there. It was just great for me. I tell, I tell folks that all the time. They like, what? El Paso, Tex. I'm like, yes. So that's how I got to El Paso. And I just had to wait my turn. You know, patience is a virtue. I just wanted to go show people that I could play Division 1 basketball. And it was right out the gate we had Georgetown come to El Paso and play us. They was number one team, and I was the only one that could get through they press. And as a freshman, I was controlling the tempo and I only played about 12 minutes, but I was controlling the tempo, and I was making plays for my teammates to. To run offense, so it worked out very well. You just got to know what it is you need to do and just be patient about doing it.

[Bobby Bones]

To me, I was a big fan again of you guys back in the day because I did play with you on NBA Jam. So then I would try to watch as many games as I could watch with you guys. But it seems like with you and Mullen and Richmond, like, if you guys could have stayed together longer, like, I feel like there could have been some real titles there. Do you feel that way?

[Announcer]

I definitely feel that way. I definitely feel that if we would have kept Mitch that we would have been able to continue for a title. I tell people that all the time. You know, I just wish we was together and Nelly would have just kept that core together and we were able to build around us because we had some good guys, we had some good teammates, and we, you know, each year we knew what we need to do and how we needed to do it. And I think when we lost to the Lakers, we kind of knew the next year exactly how to approach the next year and how we need to play and what we need to do to get better and to make it further in the playoffs. And it never happened.

[Bobby Bones]

Was that something you voiced, you know, your coach Nelson, like, what's going on here? Or was it above even him?

[Announcer]

Right. Well, you know, it was him. He pulled the trigger on it, and that was that. We didn't have no say so in it. We knew after the fact, he called Chris Mullen and myself in the room after he'd made the trade and it was over with. We had to deal with it. And that's the way things, you know, happened back in the day. You know, you had to, you know, they made a decision and you had to deal with it and just go.

[Bobby Bones]

It feels like the players now have pretty much all of the power in the league. Do you feel like that wasn't the case back when you guys were playing?

[Announcer]

That wasn't the case. That was not the case. You know, Michael Jordan didn't even have power over the Bulls. It was all Jerry Krause. Jerry Krause made that team. Jerry Krause built that team. You know, same way with Pat Riley. He built the team in Miami and he's, you know, he's still doing stuff. He don't go and just ask a team or the players, you know, what he needs and what he thinks is best for them or, you know, what they is best for the team, he just go out there and thinks what's best for him, I mean, for them, and make it happen. And, you know, and you. And you can't be hasty about it. You know, you got to really think about long term, what your team is going to have. Long term, is this going to be short term? Is it going to be right now? You know, when he got Shaq, it was right now. You know, it wasn't like two years or three years. We got to win this thing right now, and they want it right now. That's what made it a big deal when he. When he traded for Shaq. Gotta know what you're getting into, and you can't be hasty about it.

[Bobby Bones]

I wrote a couple books, and when I wrote my books, there were a lot of things that came up that I kind of forgotten about. Not that didn't happen to me, but you're just reliving some stuff. You're like, oh, yeah, I didn't think about that. I write that, like in your book, did you have any of those moments where you're going, man, I didn't think about that in a long time. And it kind of reintroduced you, some of those old memories.

[Announcer]

All the time. All the time I'm talking about it. You know, I'm thinking about it. And as I'm writing about it, the guy that helped me out, Jake Udi, really, really helped me out. And when he was talking and asking me questions, I was going back and I was like, oh, you know, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. You know, matter of fact, last week when we talked and we said this and we said that, you know, I wanted. I missed out on. On this important component about this piece that I wanted to say. And yeah, it went back and forth, back and forth. And then when you really, you know, editing, reading, you know, you go back three, four, five times and. And read the same paragraph. Did you want to make. Is it saying what you really wanted to say? Is it getting that message the way you wanted to get. Get it out? It was interesting, you know, it's very interesting.

[Bobby Bones]

It was.

[Announcer]

It was cool to me to go back and relive a lot of things

[Bobby Bones]

that I forgot about going to the Olympics. What was that like?

[Announcer]

Man, I tell you this. First of all, getting picked for the Olympics, they come to you and say, hey, you're going to be on the Olympic team. That's special. That's very special. It's not, you know, getting picked for the All Star team. This is getting picked for your country, and you represent your country out on the basketball court. And there's 12 guys, 13 guys really, 12 guys that have to come together and put their egos aside and check their egos at the door and have to come together and play as a team, not an all star team. We talking about as a professional team that you gonna be with for about 40 days, 50 days. And from day one at practice, you know, it's about us, it's about USA. It's not about Tim Hardaway, Gary Payton, Jason Kidd, Vince Carter. You know, we know we're going to have some guys on the team that's going to excel each and every game. We know we're going to have some guys that's going to play well, but everybody has to go out there and do their job and understand what their job is. We knew that very, very quickly. That's why we was able to go out there and play well and win the goal. So it was great, you know, just spending time with those guys. They built us in Australia. They supposed to build us a nice hotel, but it was a small hotel where they. We had small rooms. It wasn't difficult, but it wasn't what we was accustomed to. We dealt with it and understood that was it and we dealt with it.

[Bobby Bones]

I love the book cover. How many did you go through before you picked that? You know, it's basically two pictures you do crossing over, but it's a lot of faded versions of that as well. I'm sure you went through a bunch. Why this one?

[Announcer]

Well, first of all, Golden State Warriors, Miami Heat, two of the teams. I, you know, everybody said, which team you go in in the hall of Fame with? I said, man, is both teams. Six years with the Miami, Golden State warriors, six years with the, with the Miami Heat. I had great years, great organizations, you know, All Star games, all NBA teams. It was fitting to have, you know, both of them jerseys on at the same time and showing me just dribbling a basketball. But yeah, we went through about what I say about five, five to six different pictures and everything. And once this came up, I was like, oh, hell yeah. I like this. I really like this. This is what we going with. This is me right there.

[Bobby Bones]

It works. It's awesome. Big fan. Really appreciate the time. I hope that you're getting everything out of the book that you wanted. It's called Killer My Life from the Chicago Streets to Basketball Royalty. Again, big fan. Really appreciate the time, Tim, and I hope you have a great rest of the day, man. Thank you so much.

[Announcer]

Thank you. Appreciate you and continued success.

[Bobby Bones]

Thank you, Tim.

[Female Host]

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[Hunter Woodhull]

Girl, they're good.

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[Bobby Bones]

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[Bobby Bones]

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[Bobby Bones]

All right, that's gonna do it. Thank you, everybody, for being here. How's everybody feel? Got a little hockey talk today.

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[Bobby Bones]

A little educated hockey talk.

[Eddie]

The diversity of our podcast. Man, how cool is that?

[Bobby Bones]

I did see someone, right? Speaking of slow white guys, I'm talking about with, like, Vanderbilt, when the US Won hockey, they were calling it white boy winter.

[Hunter Woodhull]

Nice.

[Bobby Bones]

There you go.

[Eddie]

Oh, interesting.

[Bobby Bones]

Like, there's like. Like, bad girl summer. Yeah, that was a white, white guy winter. There you go. Thank you all for being here. We hope you enjoy the show and we will see you guys whenever we see you again. Because you never know, we got this cruise going on.

[Announcer]

We hope back later.

[Bobby Bones]

We don't know what's gonna happen, but we will see you soon. All right, hit it. All right, bye, everybody. Theme song written by Bobby Bones. That's me. And performed by Brandon Ray. Follow Brandon on Socials at BrandonRay Music. You can follow the show on Instagram @BobbyBoneSports. Thanks to our crew, co host, producereddy, segment producer Ickoffkevin, and executive producer at Mike Bistro. But most importantly, thank you for listening. I'm Bobby Bones. We'll talk to you next time here on 25 Whistles.

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[Hunter Woodhull]

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[Bobby Bones]

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